"The tool tip is a lie"; it's so true, and one of my biggest frustrations with the TW:W series. Bless you and the other content creators for supplementing/correcting the ingame literature.
I would also like to add that Missle units also profit from "Blade of rhuin", if you have blobbed up Missleunits yourself you have a chance to do some burst damage with it.
For anybody watching, when it comes to Fireball you only want to overcast when you are targeting units. An overcast Fireball goes from explosion radius 3 & 144 damage to radius 6, 144 damage, 72 AP damage.
You are quickly becoming the loremaster of TWW2 spells on TH-cam! I would, however, like even more details, including stats from TWWstats, which you use on other videos.
Would really like the special lores (eg ruin, dark, etc), since this video is really helpful and some factions don't get any of these lores. Thank you for explaining all that stuff the game really should do in the first place.
For we lore of beasts durthu still has a manticore summon and not the bird However he lacks any wom regen and generally wants to act as a monster first and caster second
Worth mentioning that dwellers too is excellent against anything that isn't a single entity, not just infantry. Great at killing cav and even monstrous infantry/cav. There was a brief time when zoat box was meta against brettonia until people figured out that dwellers instantly wins there.
@@Enticity yeah dewit, I have a general idea of what it's good against but not specifics on anything. The numbers provide a nice perspective when comparing to other abilities
I see a comment about pit of shades MP use, but not campaign use! As a stationary vortex it is arguably better than any other vortex spell unless the AI is making a truly gigantic blob. While the damage is less efficient vs infantry, an overcast will absolutely wipe out cavalry, and deal decent damage vs monstrous cavalry. This spell literally saved my VH/VH Von Carstein campaign: wind of death was deflecting off of walls in sieges, but I could cast pit of shades right on top gatehouses and overcome all odds. It was also key versus a couple boar boy heavy greenskin armies early on, wind of death was too inefficient and missed.
plague of rust is 100% a campaign spell aswell, arguably a ton more potent on baltasar since he can literally cast it for free unupgraded. But in the early game removing up to 100 armor makes killing lords that're an absolute bane to deal with(Carstein, Orion, etc) so much more bearable when combined with a light wizard with net.
I always love when the tooltip lies. I would understand if there was a humuhgus amount of spells that where somehow modiefiable and the tooltips would autogenerate based on stats of a spell. But as it is accurate tooltips wouldn't be very much work.
Pit of shades carries the game for vampire counts in campaign. Just trick the ai into blobbing, surround with zombies, get 1200 kills, replenish your army in one turn, repeat.
@@Enticity I play it in brettonia, they have quite a number of units with 20% physical defense, with item 20% ward safe and shield of thorns you can have units that ignore 2/3rd of dmg. louen with paladin eat franz
to my knowledge, fire damage on itself does NOT deal more damage to ethereals. it only effects units that have a weakness against fire, like dryads,tree kin and Treeman. only magical damage ignores the physical resistence and fire damage is not magical damage. most do both magical and fire attack so thats where the misconception that fire is great versus the physical resistance of the ethereals might comes from. there are some units that dont have both and only fire and it should be easy to test with them. on top of my mind the bretonnian peasant bowmen with fire arrows dont have magic attacks. so they should not do more damage in a volley to Cairn Wraiths than their regular bowman but show huge differences when shooting Dryads for example. Edit: the reason why you might see a diffrence on the casting of the spell that gives fire damage to a unit is the passive of the fire lore that debuffs mapwide all enemies with -20% fire resistence on casting a spell for a few seconds.
Life is potentially the best widely accessible Lore in the entire game, beat out only by Vampires and only then due to the resurrection off of Nehek. Life: -buffs -heals -does damage -slows You can win entire fights and even entire games with just a couple of well-placed healing spells
Can't believe you left out my mans Searing Doom and Piercing Bolts of Burning! Does anybody else remember when they updated those spells to be cavalry killers?
This is by far the best guide on magic, and here is my two cents as someone who watch a lot of warhammer content on youtube, what makes you different than everybody else is that your video is SIGNIFICANTLY shorter. I feel like other youtubers video are minimum 20 mins or higher. You are obviously an amazing multiplayer battler, but keep in mind that most players play campaigns. I'm not a pro youtuber, but as someone who coaches others my own professional field, i'll share this in appreciation of your great video: think about your target audience, and what is your strength, and then consider how the system (youtube in this case) work in term of getting new viewers, what it takes to keep your existing viewer, and adding new viewers. Good luck and thanks again
I would like to add that flock of doom as a great spell from what i have been told and even tried a bit. ove time I played agenst britonia and flock of doom was destroying there middle count and there healer could do nothing.
little waagh - Gork'll Fix It against speedy factions, Itchy Nuisance for blob fight debuff, vindictive glare deals insane dmg against characters mounted on horses or flying mounts cause it hits them multiple times vampire - nehek, nehek, nehek, what more should i say? the most OP spell in the game... use it on units with the most expensive HP (so expensive units with low max HP pool... like blood knights), raise dead - another super good spell - use to defend characters / slow down units or summon on enemy ranged assets to hold them in melee or summon to block enemy cavalry charge
This is clearly for multiplayer, not for single player. If it were singleplayer, buff spells aren't very good because the enemy can get lots of cheats depending on the difficulty settings. Very hard battle difficulty can make skaven slaves near unbreakable and legendary campaign difficulty can create more aggressive with tons of battles.
The buffs were mentioned as situational. Some buffs are actually really good, for specific campaign situations, particularly the ones he mentioned. Sword of Rhuin is crazy in some High Elf armies too for stacking with Fire Magics Signature effect, flammable debuffs from Imrik or RoR and the Fire Banner. Typically damage spells are better, but sometimes key enemy monsters or lords/heroes MUST die and you don't have available ranged firepower.
@@alecshockowitz8385 I would argue that buffs don't matter if you're outnumbered 3 to 1 on very hard battle difficulty. Better to cast 1 spell that takes out half hp of 3 to 5 units than to buff 3 units that aren't very effective. If you're talking about flammable debuff, then that argument is more in my favor since that increases fire damage. It does not increase buff/debuff duration. But shoutout to net of amntok for being best utility spell in the game though. It's not a buff or debuff spell, but my fav spell for ranged armies.
My rough metric is 200g for 5 wom or 40g for 1. The reasoning is because a spot on burning head on HE archers is considered a good play. Which is 10 WOM for around 400g. Anything less, like burning head on goblins is considered bad. Y'know. This is the perfect thing to make a short on lol
I don't understand are other spells like mindrazor, harmonic convergence or midnight wind so less effective? I NEVER see lore of heavens in multiplayer matches. I don't play it myself, I'm saying from a viewer perspective, same as for lords like Alberic or Ungrim
Some spells, units, lords, ect aren't made equal. Some things are just overly good, whilst others are "meh" or balanced. Whilst there are some things that go under the radar, generally the meta reflects good units/spells/lords or the best units/spells/lords for certain factions. Also the faction in which would use the spells of heavens the most, is Lizardmen I think; mainly because their best lord(Mazdamundi) has a mixture of both light and heaven spells.
@@danielecatania9631 Some people play for fun or do themed armies, however most of the content from these types of channels are tailored for competitive game play I would say.
I've seen some people run it. As a rule of thumb, if you're getting 200g value for each 5 wom, it's really good value. 150g is non optimal but still fine. For campaign though pit of shades is up there as one of the best shadow spells.
For net, should Teclis take it with another spell to make use of his greater WoM pool, or should you just take a secondary caster to use that pool best?
You should pick Net with either Flaming Sword of Ruin (if you're going really heavy on the archer spam) or Regrowth (if you're going for the cavalry/monstrous build). Teclis has such strong spells it would be a shame not to bring them even for a single use throughout the match.
With faction you want for DLC snake man : a creation of the old ones who rebelled against them after finding that they were not actually the favorite creation of the old ones but the ogres. Chaos dwarfs: dwarfs who only survived the dark lands by worshiping a minor chaos god Hashu father of darkness. Hob goblins: separated in to 3 sub groups half orcs( giant goblins who were a creation of the chaos dwarfs to rival the black orcs ) centaur good guys dragon ogres and good old hob goblins. Nippon: Japan Ind: India with good Beastmen And the meme faction Fish man: a race older than the arrival of the old ones but they had no part of the great plan so they were hunted near extinction only surviving by making a pact with the leviathans who had made a deal with the chaos gods. Now they rob woman and sunk cities of the old ones.
Where is pit of shades!!!! My personal favorite shadows spell. Does a crap load of damage vs cav and it stays in place so its great vs blobs around lords.
With TWW3 out the spells have gotten massive changes and this list may be slighly obsolete, when can we see another video not only remaking this list (if pertinent) but, more importantly, for the rest of schools of magic?
If you were to choose with faction should come next after hob-goblins ogres and chaos dwarf and border princes First Nippon Second ind And last khuresh Secret Meme faction Albion Araby And fish man ( quite ironic because what we know about them is that they are pure evil . like if an dark elf slave master had a baby with a naga of the the blood line of human experiments and throw it at the lizardmen and woman for good old rape but might not be canon anymore since femeer also raped women with Beastmen)
"The tool tip is a lie"; it's so true, and one of my biggest frustrations with the TW:W series. Bless you and the other content creators for supplementing/correcting the ingame literature.
Fortunately it's getting a bit of a overhaul in the final expansion. I would still appreciate more information in the new tooltips, however.
I would also like to add that Missle units also profit from "Blade of rhuin", if you have blobbed up Missleunits yourself you have a chance to do some burst damage with it.
and it stacks with kindleflame, regeneration gets shutdown
“Here we go babey”
Me unironically, out loud, to myself upon seeing this
For anybody watching, when it comes to Fireball you only want to overcast when you are targeting units. An overcast Fireball goes from explosion radius 3 & 144 damage to radius 6, 144 damage, 72 AP damage.
It was weird not seeing Firestorm, seeing how it's the most cost effective vortex spell in the game.
I was thinking of including it. But in the end with how long the vid was already, and the overlap with burning head, I decided to cut it.
You are quickly becoming the loremaster of TWW2 spells on TH-cam! I would, however, like even more details, including stats from TWWstats, which you use on other videos.
I definitely found myself wanting to go more in depth into everything. Overall, I think I do enjoy the shorter more detailed dives.
Would really like the special lores (eg ruin, dark, etc), since this video is really helpful and some factions don't get any of these lores. Thank you for explaining all that stuff the game really should do in the first place.
Its incredibly helpful to see these videos as a newer player. and also really disheartening to learn just how many spells are functionally useless.
Amazing content, loving your quick vids
Ever Since they changed transformation of cadon to spawn eagles for elves, I've wanted it to spawn a big ripperdactyl for lizardmen.
Overcasting the final transmutation in multiplayer is one of the best joy in this game
This is a brilliant video! Please consider every other lore, that would be hella useful!
For we lore of beasts durthu still has a manticore summon and not the bird
However he lacks any wom regen and generally wants to act as a monster first and caster second
Well he can get mage that stays in forest for quicker WoM regeneration and cast spells himself
Worth mentioning that dwellers too is excellent against anything that isn't a single entity, not just infantry. Great at killing cav and even monstrous infantry/cav. There was a brief time when zoat box was meta against brettonia until people figured out that dwellers instantly wins there.
IcepowerTW more like WaterpowerTW I'm going to sublimate you for what you did to Bears last year.
Yup. Dwellers actually has a few mechanics that I was looking to cover
@@Enticity yeah dewit, I have a general idea of what it's good against but not specifics on anything. The numbers provide a nice perspective when comparing to other abilities
The reason is that dwellers deals two types of damage. Direct damage and it also applies a debuff which deals damage.
I see a comment about pit of shades MP use, but not campaign use! As a stationary vortex it is arguably better than any other vortex spell unless the AI is making a truly gigantic blob. While the damage is less efficient vs infantry, an overcast will absolutely wipe out cavalry, and deal decent damage vs monstrous cavalry. This spell literally saved my VH/VH Von Carstein campaign: wind of death was deflecting off of walls in sieges, but I could cast pit of shades right on top gatehouses and overcome all odds. It was also key versus a couple boar boy heavy greenskin armies early on, wind of death was too inefficient and missed.
Flamestorm has it beat in campaign use even when used on just one unit. Don't know why you think otherwise.
BRB binge watching all of your videos
this was a really excellent and simple breakdown
plague of rust is 100% a campaign spell aswell, arguably a ton more potent on baltasar since he can literally cast it for free unupgraded. But in the early game removing up to 100 armor makes killing lords that're an absolute bane to deal with(Carstein, Orion, etc) so much more bearable when combined with a light wizard with net.
Thank you for doing this. I would love to see a deeper dive into the specifics of the different spells
I always love when the tooltip lies. I would understand if there was a humuhgus amount of spells that where somehow modiefiable and the tooltips would autogenerate based on stats of a spell. But as it is accurate tooltips wouldn't be very much work.
Pit of shades carries the game for vampire counts in campaign. Just trick the ai into blobbing, surround with zombies, get 1200 kills, replenish your army in one turn, repeat.
No Searing doom, Sarthorel would like to have a word with you...
What about Shield of Thorns for Life magic? With Highelves you definetely want the extra HP
It's good, but would require too much analysis over targeting and so on. Saving that one for another day.
@@Enticity I play it in brettonia, they have quite a number of units with 20% physical defense, with item 20% ward safe and shield of thorns you can have units that ignore 2/3rd of dmg. louen with paladin eat franz
Awesome guide, thanks
to my knowledge, fire damage on itself does NOT deal more damage to ethereals. it only effects units that have a weakness against fire, like dryads,tree kin and Treeman. only magical damage ignores the physical resistence and fire damage is not magical damage. most do both magical and fire attack so thats where the misconception that fire is great versus the physical resistance of the ethereals might comes from. there are some units that dont have both and only fire and it should be easy to test with them. on top of my mind the bretonnian peasant bowmen with fire arrows dont have magic attacks. so they should not do more damage in a volley to Cairn Wraiths than their regular bowman but show huge differences when shooting Dryads for example.
Edit: the reason why you might see a diffrence on the casting of the spell that gives fire damage to a unit is the passive of the fire lore that debuffs mapwide all enemies with -20% fire resistence on casting a spell for a few seconds.
I think the point was that the spell also gives magical attacks.
Life is potentially the best widely accessible Lore in the entire game, beat out only by Vampires and only then due to the resurrection off of Nehek. Life: -buffs -heals -does damage -slows
You can win entire fights and even entire games with just a couple of well-placed healing spells
Can't believe you left out my mans Searing Doom and Piercing Bolts of Burning! Does anybody else remember when they updated those spells to be cavalry killers?
Thanks for this, look forward to seeing one for wh3 lores next year.
This is by far the best guide on magic, and here is my two cents as someone who watch a lot of warhammer content on youtube, what makes you different than everybody else is that your video is SIGNIFICANTLY shorter. I feel like other youtubers video are minimum 20 mins or higher. You are obviously an amazing multiplayer battler, but keep in mind that most players play campaigns.
I'm not a pro youtuber, but as someone who coaches others my own professional field, i'll share this in appreciation of your great video: think about your target audience, and what is your strength, and then consider how the system (youtube in this case) work in term of getting new viewers, what it takes to keep your existing viewer, and adding new viewers.
Good luck and thanks again
I would like to add that flock of doom as a great spell from what i have been told and even tried a bit. ove time I played agenst britonia and flock of doom was destroying there middle count and there healer could do nothing.
Vampire: Invocation of Nehek, overcasted, all day.
We definitely needed a buff to ranged units not a nerf to the completely over the top melee units we got in game 3.
Thanks for all your hard work!
I hope they simply make Kadon into a transformation spell and tie whatever the unit turns into with the stats of the caster.
Are you going to make another video covering the best spells from the faction specific lores?
Awesome video, I'd love to see the same for my favourite lores of magic, little waaagh and vampire
little waagh - Gork'll Fix It against speedy factions, Itchy Nuisance for blob fight debuff, vindictive glare deals insane dmg against characters mounted on horses or flying mounts cause it hits them multiple times
vampire - nehek, nehek, nehek, what more should i say? the most OP spell in the game... use it on units with the most expensive HP (so expensive units with low max HP pool... like blood knights), raise dead - another super good spell - use to defend characters / slow down units or summon on enemy ranged assets to hold them in melee or summon to block enemy cavalry charge
oh, ive talked about multiplayer, you care about mp right? would be quite different for campaign with those 2 lores...
If im not mistaken, you cannot overcast fire cloak spell
That's correct lol. I think I was mixing it up with enfeebling foe.
thanks. very helpful.
This is clearly for multiplayer, not for single player. If it were singleplayer, buff spells aren't very good because the enemy can get lots of cheats depending on the difficulty settings. Very hard battle difficulty can make skaven slaves near unbreakable and legendary campaign difficulty can create more aggressive with tons of battles.
Well yea...single player is just blob em up and use big AoE damage spells and ranged assets
Buffs can be good
For a second you will see what your units should actually be doing without cheats
@@stormrunner4081 lol. Of course. For a second.
The buffs were mentioned as situational.
Some buffs are actually really good, for specific campaign situations, particularly the ones he mentioned.
Sword of Rhuin is crazy in some High Elf armies too for stacking with Fire Magics Signature effect, flammable debuffs from Imrik or RoR and the Fire Banner.
Typically damage spells are better, but sometimes key enemy monsters or lords/heroes MUST die and you don't have available ranged firepower.
@@alecshockowitz8385 I would argue that buffs don't matter if you're outnumbered 3 to 1 on very hard battle difficulty. Better to cast 1 spell that takes out half hp of 3 to 5 units than to buff 3 units that aren't very effective.
If you're talking about flammable debuff, then that argument is more in my favor since that increases fire damage. It does not increase buff/debuff duration.
But shoutout to net of amntok for being best utility spell in the game though. It's not a buff or debuff spell, but my fav spell for ranged armies.
Really like your in depth vods. My question for you, @Enticity is how much should 1 WoM cost. How much value should a 13 WoM vortex spell provide.
My rough metric is 200g for 5 wom or 40g for 1. The reasoning is because a spot on burning head on HE archers is considered a good play. Which is 10 WOM for around 400g. Anything less, like burning head on goblins is considered bad.
Y'know. This is the perfect thing to make a short on lol
@@Enticity thanks!!
I don't understand are other spells like mindrazor, harmonic convergence or midnight wind so less effective? I NEVER see lore of heavens in multiplayer matches. I don't play it myself, I'm saying from a viewer perspective, same as for lords like Alberic or Ungrim
Some spells, units, lords, ect aren't made equal. Some things are just overly good, whilst others are "meh" or balanced. Whilst there are some things that go under the radar, generally the meta reflects good units/spells/lords or the best units/spells/lords for certain factions. Also the faction in which would use the spells of heavens the most, is Lizardmen I think; mainly because their best lord(Mazdamundi) has a mixture of both light and heaven spells.
@@liamclifforth7046 yeah I thought as much. I don't like it though, but as I said I don't play multiplayer much less competitive
@@danielecatania9631 Some people play for fun or do themed armies, however most of the content from these types of channels are tailored for competitive game play I would say.
@@liamclifforth7046 I guess you're right
Did a part 2 ever happen, or is it just the other solo school videos?
I like Pit of shades but wonder how good it really is.
I've seen some people run it. As a rule of thumb, if you're getting 200g value for each 5 wom, it's really good value. 150g is non optimal but still fine. For campaign though pit of shades is up there as one of the best shadow spells.
For net, should Teclis take it with another spell to make use of his greater WoM pool, or should you just take a secondary caster to use that pool best?
You should pick Net with either Flaming Sword of Ruin (if you're going really heavy on the archer spam) or Regrowth (if you're going for the cavalry/monstrous build). Teclis has such strong spells it would be a shame not to bring them even for a single use throughout the match.
It's a shared pool of magic for all casters and I'm sure I've seen Turin take teclis with regrowth and net
Which for vampires and how to use them
With faction you want for DLC
snake man : a creation of the old ones who rebelled against them after finding that they were not actually the favorite creation of the old ones but the ogres.
Chaos dwarfs: dwarfs who only survived the dark lands by worshiping a minor chaos god Hashu father of darkness.
Hob goblins: separated in to 3 sub groups half orcs( giant goblins who were a creation of the chaos dwarfs to rival the black orcs ) centaur good guys dragon ogres and good old hob goblins.
Nippon: Japan
Ind: India with good Beastmen
And the meme faction
Fish man: a race older than the arrival of the old ones but they had no part of the great plan so they were hunted near extinction only surviving by making a pact with the leviathans who had made a deal with the chaos gods. Now they rob woman and sunk cities of the old ones.
Where is pit of shades!!!! My personal favorite shadows spell. Does a crap load of damage vs cav and it stays in place so its great vs blobs around lords.
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Spirit leech is best against artillery.
Is pendulum from shadows meant to use against high Armour? Always wondered what was best against dwarfs
Mostly. But it got nerfed a while a back and isn't as good anymore. In a pinch though, it's still worth casting
;-; skaven lore of shadows and warp lightning good
With TWW3 out the spells have gotten massive changes and this list may be slighly obsolete, when can we see another video not only remaking this list (if pertinent) but, more importantly, for the rest of schools of magic?
Best spells of High Magic?
If you were to choose with faction should come next after hob-goblins ogres and chaos dwarf and border princes
First Nippon
Second ind
And last khuresh
Secret Meme faction
Albion
Araby
And fish man ( quite ironic because what we know about them is that they are pure evil . like if an dark elf slave master had a baby with a naga of the the blood line of human experiments and throw it at the lizardmen and woman for good old rape but might not be canon anymore since femeer also raped women with Beastmen)
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you have shown me another level to tw as i dont play mp, any i video of yours i see is instant click
where is lore of vampires
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