Did you know there are two Chinas? The People's Republic of China and the Republic of China, more commonly called Taiwan. Here's their history, and a look at the complex relationship between them.
@thefucker ryan most countries don't even reconize Taiwan as a country.................but they can go to any country with the ROC passport beside PRC if this is not legitment ,why they can go anywhere with the ROC passport
One very important point was failed to be mentioned. At the end of WWII, Taiwan was handed back to China as part of the post war agreement. Therefore, ROC had actually ruled the complete China (Mainland+Taiwan) between 1945-1949.
@@JenghanHsieh Yes, there was only one legal government then. That’s why I say the unfinished civil war created two governments, both of the two claim whole China.
My grandfather fleed Mainland China to the Philippines becoz of the rising power of the communist regime. He started a new life here and passed away in the 80's. now im a 3rd generation of Chinese immigrants in the Philippines.
Experts say the likely hood of China attacking Taiwan is low because of a 160 kilometres of water and 180,000 active Taiwanese soldiers. The experts can't be serious 😂
Yes, historically speaking, the mainland forces has always succesfully breached and defeat the island forces. Back from Koxinga war against the Dutch and Qing Empire war against Tungning. 160 km is not really considered far for naval landing operation.
great video,the perspective is neutrul enough,which is really rare on the youtube.even there are several small mistakes such as the map of the ROC after 1912,but in general ,good job!
Kong Wee Peh also I’m serious telling you that they have been threatened us if we change our constitution (from the video if we dare trying to be independent) they r going to attack ? R u ok?
Taiwan’s official name is Republic of China, ROC aka China. But now the most countries in the world, including the states, only admitted that PROC as China. As a result, they only call ROC “Taiwan”, which is just a name of a island. But actually ROC was founded in 1911 which was a lot earlier than PROC. As we can’t use ROC in the world, this became a big problem. This is one major reason why the young generation of Taiwanese think that they are not also Chinese. On the other hand, we who claim that we are Taiwanese and also Chinese can’t say that we are Chinese or from China when we introduce us to others, because people will misunderstand that you are from mainland, PROC
PKU阿德 - See Articles 23 and 110 of the UN Charter. The seat of China is still the property of the ROC but its used by the PRC at the moment since 1971.
As far as I know, Sun Yat-sen is a Chinese.What he did was to liberate the Chinese nation, not to split China.Your view of history is particularly questionable. you Need to study hard, I suggest you not to learn Taiwan's textbooks, but to learn from mainland textbooks, let you see what is the love of their motherland, what is to be loyal to your people, what is to Respect one's own nation and descent.
A minor mistake in the map. From 1895 to 1945, Taiwan was occupied by Japan. It returned to ROC after WWII. So in the map (1945-1949), Taiwan and mainland China belong to one country.
Wrong, Taiwan was originally founded by the indigenous people (ethnic Lao people) over thousands of years ago not the Qing dynasty (Manchurian people) or the ROC or the PRC or the overseas Chinese hence they only migrated to Taiwan during the dutch occupation of the Taiwan in 1945 it's became part of the ROC territory.
@@oneviwatara9384 ‘Free’ is a strange word to describe the colonisation of Korea by Japan. Japan is a country that both North and South Korea dislike for history reasons.
I'm Chinese from the mainland, I totally understand the political demands of people in Taiwan, that is, to be independent. But what I don't understand is that you are trying to achieve this without realizing and respecting the historical facts. I mean, Taiwan is officially a province of the Republic of China, and the People's Republic of China won the civil war and took the seat of the ROC in the UN, which means, most countries in the world recognize that PRC is the only legal government of China. If you seek to be independent, you can't just ignore the basic facts that actually happened in history and just shout "Taiwan is not a part of China!" (because it is, according to the consensus reached by several major victors of world war II, China will take back Taiwan island from Japan). So this is actually a historical problem left here after the uncompleted Chinese civil war. Before you claim that Taiwan is not a part of China, at first, you should at least change the title of ROC to something else other than anything that contains "China". It's just funny to me that you guys want to be independent so much and are not on the right way to do it. Let's be clear, you should come up with a practical plan, achieve independent eventually by removing the word "China" from your country's title officially; working hard to build a good army in case that PLA will "invade" Taiwan after you announce independent formally, but definitely not by insulting Chinese people. you get nothing by insulting people of the same ethnic group but only our anger. It is dangerous that many Chinese people start to realize that they are being insulted by people in Taiwan for no reason and many of them are terribly angry about this. the western world always criticizes that people don't have democracy in China, but if we have it on this, I can only speak from my own experience, most young people around me would vote to start a war to solve this problem, I don't think it's a good thing for you guys. and of course, it's not a good thing for us, too. war is scary. so let's respect each other, you have your political views and I have mine. but respect the basic facts and don't be ignorant. Let's see how this goes.
Because the historical facts are all lies of the communist that is why. Why did Taiwan have to give up the seat in UN because China came in crying as the big baby to be the only China in UN. That is why there are North Korea and South Korea in UN but not ROC and PRC. So use some brain instead of believing the communist lies. UN doesn't decide which territory is a country or not a country okay. UN only keep peace by democratic votes. Second, Taiwan is part of China but not a part of PRC. According to are constitution by Dr. Sun Yat Sen, Republic of China is China not your fake PRC. When Japan returned Taiwan in 1945, your PRC wasn't even established yet, so how can Taiwan be PRC's land you stupid??? Use some logic here !!!!!!
Despite historical facts, most people living in Taiwan just don't want to be ruled by Chinese Communist Party. Your government totally loses our trust by what it has done to its people. It is not we who cast "peace" away, but you.
@@user-ev5gs6rw1z well, not exactly. Wasn't there a big deal arms sale to Taiwan that ruffled the CCP's feathers? The USA may 'say' it is, to appease the CCP, but don't be stupid; they don't actually respect that, they just say so to shut the CCP up.
ps. 台灣的歸屬: 國土間不存再從屬性，應從管理國土的國家政體來檢視國土的歸屬；1945年二次世界大戰日本投降時，將台灣歸還給中華民國政府(非中華人民共和國政府)，那時的中國是中華民國，中華人民共和國是在1949年擊敗國軍後才成立的偽政權(違背國父孫文的民主思想、三民主義，將"馬克思列寧主義"、"共產主義"帶進中國!)。 所以台灣本來就是歸還給中華民國，為中華民國固有之疆域，不屬於共產黨，也不屬於大陸。
Thanks for making this film, but there's one thing I'd like to remind you that China, the PRC government never controlled Taiwan, so it is not BACK under its control.
"After Japan’s surrender in World War II in 1945, Taiwan was returned to the control of the Chinese government, then led by Chiang Kai-shek and his Nationalist Party." Taiwan has returned to China since 1945, 4 years after its return, ROC relocated to Taiwan. Even in the current ROC constitution, Taiwan and mainland China are both part of China.
Taiwan is China, meaning whoever is the legitimate government of China has the right to govern China AS A WHOLE. Now its the PRC whether we like it or not. Taiwan should have been siezed before the civil war ended but the United States interfered in China's affairs making things complicated till now. Yes Taiwan is not under the PRC and never has been but it was, is and will always be China.
@@samwong5306 Yea yea, Native Americans are legitimate to rule America, Greeks are rightful owners of Anatolia stuff and stuff. Forget about these. Even America and other big countries do not acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent country. As I can see power gives the rights, PRC is a head in front of ROC about this. At the moment western media is stronger, that's why everybody is supporting ROC. But when the PRC times officially come, you will see that everyone will be saying opposite. Welcome to real world. Power rules, not legitimate rights or stuff.
You also failed to mention that in the 1990s people in Taiwan still thought they are Chinese. It was the democracy and freedom of speech that keep Taiwan's common people from deep debating. Instead, they were simply taught to be OK to think everything. Any attempt of objection and debate will be responded by labeling and accusing of violation of democracy. Any expression which shows Taiwan people's Chinese idendity would be labeled as "not loving Taiwan". This intimitated the silent majority. No one was talking about why the two sides of the strait is one country and people only recieve one voice of independence.
The Republic of China is a democratic country, people have the right to freely identify themselves, only FASCIST Taiwanese who share your opinion and bigotry defame our compatriots and sabotage our Constitution.
I am a Chinese in ethnic but Taiwanese in nationality. There are millions of Chinese all over the world like Singapore, Malaysia, Laos, etc... I hope when they say they are Chinese you don't think they are from mainland right??? Can you differiate between the two????
@@stopwarstop7334 why do you have to have them differentiated? From Morocco to Iraq, Arabs live in dozens of different counties using different dialects. Yet they still say I am Arabic and I am from Morocco/ Saudi / Egypt... Next time if anyone asks, you can just say I am chinese and I am from Taiwan. Would the half part of the sentence really be so difficult or so long that makes you impossible to say it ?
@@ActuGentSH What??? 😂😂😂😂 Do you know it's very rude in western to ask people their ethnic?? When you ask a black where are you from? Will they say I am from Africa???? They say they are Americans. So Taiwan say we are Taiwanese means they are from Taiwan. What is so hard to say about that??? Common sense. Only people in China is confused about their own identity because they are feeling lonely nobody wants to identify with them. 😂😂😂
As a Taiwanese, I have to say that people who reside in Taiwan don't think they are Chinese. Most of us are just ethnic Chinese, and some of them are the aboriginals who don't have Chinese bloodlines.
The so-called Taiwan Relations Act is but a fomestic law of the US regime, which is not any international law. In fact, the design of that US domestic law is but a facade for the arms dealers and the neocons in the US regime to hide behind when making tons of money by selling useless junk to Taiwan while using Taiwan as one of its paens, as it does with Vietnam, South Korea, the Phollipines, and Japan, to encircle China. Like during 1950s to 1960s, the US provided weapons, trained militias and then air dropped thrm yo Tibet, to attempt military operations against the People's Repunluc of China. The operation failed. And the CIA agents in that operation told that the US was not intended to help the Tibetans establish their separate state, nut just to cause nuisance yo China by containing China's devrlopment with such distraction via military actions. The whole thing has.been declassifief and the BBC even made a documentary of it, called Operation Shadow Circus.
this vid has only partly shown the historical heritage of the legal govt of China since 1912, but what about the time before that? What happens in the 1860s? It’s all misleading, the island of Taiwan was under the chinese’ rule since At least the Ming dynasty from what I learnt.
I'm not sure what you learned but Japan is the first government which ruled the entire island of Taiwan. All the governments before that only controlled part of Taiwan.
China's first rule of Taiwan was during Qing Dynasty. Before that, the Netherlands, Spain and Tungning subsequently ruled Taiwan. And before modern states came to Taiwan, there were Aboriginal tribes.
Taiwan is my hometown. I am from Taiwan. We have many indigenous peoples and even develop our unique culture. We are also very democratic and free. If the government of the Republic of China did not hold this treasure island, then today, Maybe not so much freedom. My country is the Republic of China🇹🇼🇹🇼, and I also love Taiwan. I am just a high school student in Taiwan.
ROC is already part of history. it's this simple. ROC is dead. PRC will take it over. Taiwan is now controlled by a group of lawless. when it was the right time, a group of police will save you guys out. wait and see, kid. Time will tell.
Call Taiwan a country, call it a disobedient province of china... who cares how its described or regarded, as long as the ROC government there continues to rule, Taiwan stays as it is with all the freedoms they enjoy, just look how the mainland is screwing up Hong Kong... they said they would let it be and not impose any thing for 50 years... couldnt control themselves and its being over run with mainlanders, the culture and language is going... its being assimilated just like the Tibetans, Uighers and anyone else who is different...
As a Taiwanese and Chinese. The truth is although both the Taiwan and mainland belong to China, they are ruled by their respective regimes(ROC、 PRC), one country two regimes. The constitutional territories of the two regimes overlap each other.
@@elnorton7113 Yeah pretty much... but not quite as well. Used to be CCP against KMT under the country of ROC - This did fit the term of civil war. However, due to CCP declared PRC establishment back in 1949 before conquering the island of Taiwan and defeating ROC entirely. What they did was basically declaring to the world that they took the mainland from ROC and created the country of PRC themselves, and the problem of two Chinas actually was a result & claim produced by CCP themselves. (You know what they say about lying enough to people and the lie becomes the truth.)
Taiwan is a country. That's lots of person who have no courage to admit So as a part of Taiwan I'm proud and want to say If u don't respect nationality in the "small island" who have their own legislative and culture U are not a country U have no worthy of being called a "country"
Broadly speaking, this video is quite balanced, but with some crucial facts wrong. The question of who owns what could never be answered. One basic fact I believe this video didn't get it right is when they start shooting. The question is: "Would USA really going to come to Taiwan's aid?" Perhaps. But then this video brought out the reason why I believe USA won't. This video articulated that the 160 KM between China and Taiwan would be a deterrent for China. If that is the case, wouldn't it be even more difficult for USA to come all the way from America to fight a war with the Chinese ? Even if America beat China, it will have to keep troops on Taiwan, and it will have to be a very large contingent. Now would you believe that China will let USA hanging around Taiwan? There will be never ending battles between the occupying force, ie. USA, and China. Could and would USA sustain a long war? I doubt it. Iraq and Afghanistan are proofs that USA cannot fight long wars, not so far away from home anyway. The alternative for USA is to go all the way and invade mainland. Now that would be a very different story. All the fire power won't be sufficient to subdue land attacks. Sure, USA has good tanks, but I didn't see any advantage of that in the Middle East. So all the chest beating will come to nothing.
One small correction, at 1:18, the map showing regions of the communist party is not correct. At that time Tebet is still under the control of KMT. Other regions may also be incorrect.
Tibet actually was not under the Communist Partie's control for a long time even after 1949. And the KMT government first fled towards the southern China, then towards Taiwan island.
You're not Taiwanese, I seen you elsewhere typing in Simplified Chinese spreading communist propogranda, and you kept using terms that are rarely seen in Taiwanese Madarin. I bet you don't know any Hokkien or Hakka either
Jun Chen I am a CSU student（Also, I am Japanese） I'm sure you don't even know that HOKKIEN and HAKKA are both one of the common dialects of South China (Fujian). And HOKKIEN and HAKKA are both from the mainland.
Stop arguing folks, can we agree we are all the great Han? Regardless of politics and countries, China is only a term to constrain our boundaries. The Han should be glorified.
China is a civilization state and the question of being a Chinese or not is often misunderstood. In English, the question essentially equates to "do you identify with the mainland regime?" and you can't reasonably expect the Taiwanese to nod yes (to push to an extreme, the west can also ask whether Koreans identify with the DPRK and be happily assured that they don't). Calm down, it's a wrong question to ask because you are qualifying the concept of China (resp. Korea) to one particular gov in a particular time of history. But really in the last 2000 years or so, there were hundreds of regimes established by emperors, warlords, and yes invaders (Yuan and Qing to name a few) on the land now known as China. That's why China is better characterized as a civilization stripped of political parties. This civilization is so strong that most of those who invaded and ruled China at one time in history merely embraced it and become a member of it as did the Mongols and the Man people. I conjecture that if Japan did occupied all of China after WWII like Genghis Khan did in the 1200s, then, after a hundred years maybe, the Chinese border will extend to include the Japanese islands. No joke, Khan killed Han Chinese in millions, but his lands got integrated into China in the long run. Now, this talk of civilization is put aside because of a discontent towards Authoritarianism (frankly, the mainlanders are not very pleased about it too). But the civilization continues. Do the Taiwanese celebrate Chinese New Year? Are they proud of their language? Their cultural heritage? Yes, yes, and yes. Had China adopted democracy, the Taiwanese would surely identify as Chinese (both culturally and politically). Maybe Korean and Vietnamese schools will start teaching Chinese characters again like they did before, who knows? So, stop kidnapping a civilization in the name of politics.
WW2 was a different story. Japan treated China as a backward civilization, determined to Japanize China, this eventually pushed modern Chinese nationalism to develop and mature, and defeated Japan. Japanese culture was influenced deeply by 800-year Samurai ruling, its core is quite different from China or Korea's Confucian culture.
How can you show disputed territories and territories forcibly won by China in your ROC map of 1912? Your map includes Tibet which was forcefully acquired by China in 1950
Taiwan was regarded as a territory by the Republic of China in 1954. In 1954, the Republic of China at that time had China's five permanent seats in the United Nations, that is, orthodox China. From 1954 to 1971, Taiwan was part of the orthodox Chinese territory. However, after 1971, the Republic of China withdrew from the United Nations and no longer held the title of orthodox China. By definition, the Republic of China degenerated from orthodox China into a Chinese rebel organization. With the democratization in the 1990s, Taiwanese took control of this organization through elections, and transformed the Republic of China from a rebel organization in China into a country built by more than 20 million people. This country is called the Republic of China, Taiwan. In the future, this may change the country's name from the Republic of China, Taiwan, to the Republic of Taiwan. However, to the People's Republic of China, Taiwan under the Republic of China 's rule is like the property of its father, and the Republic of China in Taiwan is like the illegitimate son of the Republic of China in Taiwan, competing with the People's Republic of China for the property of Taiwan. However, Taiwan, the Republic of China, is not recognized as a country by the international community, so it will certainly suffer a loss in the fight for its inheritance. Even in the future, the Republic of Taiwan will have difficulties in claiming to inherit the Republic of China Taiwan, which is not recognized as a country. If the Republic of Taiwan is independent from the People's Republic of China rather than the Republic of China Taiwan, it must first recognize that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China. But doesn't this mean unification? If the Republic of Taiwan is independent from the Republic of China Taiwan, because the Republic of China Taiwan are A country transformed from the Republic of China, a Chinese rebel organization, is not recognized as a country and will encounter the same dilemma as independence from the People's Republic of China. Therefore, the Republic of China Taiwan do not want to be reunified, but they cannot become independent and can only maintain the status quo.
Taiwanese people will always be supported by India. We are brothers and we have one enemy in common, People's Republic of China, or the Communist China.
too much inaccuracy lol. there is 2 chinas and 1 taiwan territory, actually. taiwan and its surrounding islands were ceded (read, totally removed) from qing dynasty china to japan in 1895. it has since remained out of mainland china's jurisdiction in the last 120yrs or so. communist and republics fought a civil war in mainland china, openly or otherwise, from the 1920s all the way to 1945. after japan surrendered, republics were sent to taiwan by allied GHQ to oversee surrender of japanese troops. it is a military occupation, but no taking over of sovereignty as it should be a joint allied nations decision. that will be SF treaty 1951. in the meantime, the republics lost the civil war in mainland from 1945-1949, and its govt retreated to taiwan in 1949. so now there is a PRC mainland, a republics ROC in taiwan, and a taiwan territory that is under ROC occupation. both PRC and ROC did not sign the SF treaty for various reasons, but japan gave up taiwan in SF treaty anyway. so the sovereignty of taiwan wasnt passed to anyone. this gave rise to some taiwanese seeking an independent nation. both PRC and ROC do not recognise each other officially. and althou both claimed 1 china, they meant different things. at least their territorial claims are different. they are 2 separate entities. but both claimed taiwan as part of their version of china anyway. the pro-independent taiwanese want a different nation. nothing to do with PRC mainland, also want to remove ROC, which they see as a foreign occupation force. and in-btw these, there are different taiwanese groups in the spectrum. some would agree to 'ROC is taiwan', thus 2 chinas, 1 in mainland, 1 in taiwan. others might want to form a federation or union. but anyway, both PRC and ROC has no legitimacy over taiwan. both are just 'claiming to have jurisdiction over taiwan'. PRC hasnt ruled taiwan for a single day since its establishment in 1949. ROC ruled taiwan as a prolonged military occupation, without taking over its sovereignty from japan.
Aniki Ace Thank you for writing this, lately I have been seeing youtube comments and videos (even this one) which have been over simplified and makes it look like independence for Taiwan is just some stupid meaningless movement.
After having watched an Irish guy's video about it for 10 mins with lots of unnecessary details, this one has felt it's precise and on-point. Keep up the good journalism TRT! My support is yours from Ankara.
I always wondered what the deal was between China and Taiwan. This video helped but but not fully. But the main thing is China believes Taiwan is part of China and Taiwan disagrees is that pretty much it?
Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石 Jiǎngjièshí) made a stupid mistake when he claimed tiny Taiwan was "the real China". It forced a choice of what is China and cost Taiwan a seat in the United Nations. That does nothing to support the communist claim that Taiwan is a mainland province. It was "declared" so by the Qing emperor in 1887, but Qing rule was sparse and did not effectively convert the Taiwanese to the emperor's way of thinking. Just as the Nazis had to give up on the idea of owning Poland, so must the People's republic of China give up thinking they own Taiwan.
a stupid video hide the truth. It stated throw back to qing dynasty, but it intentionally didnt state taiwan is under qing dynasty that time. after revolution, taiwan is until ROC. and next only Chiang retreated to taiwan. so basically from the history, in fact taiwan is under china, taiwan is a part of island of china. taiwan will fall into the same situation just like catalonia if they declare any "independent". Conclusively, @TRTWorld the video u made with incompleted information and truth, u r a true transparent democracy channel, but end up u are being stereotypes, u r so shame to be a unprofessional media, shame to report the fake news!
how? If I did not make wrong about that, the democracy and communism, which has fundamental differences, how to make it united in one bureaucratic system?
SHENZHEN ...WHAT A MIRACLE..I REMEMBER 30 YEARS AGO ,IT WAS A FARM LAND,30.000 CHINESE FARMERS,THAT PLANTED PETCHAI ..TODAY HAS SURPASSED ,THE SILICON VALE ,A METROPOLITAN CENTER ,WHILE TAIWAN IN THE 70'S ,HAD ITS HAY DAYS,THE EXPORT ZONE I.T.COMPANIES,IN KAWSHUNG ,COULD NOT HOLD A CANDLE TO CHINA !I KNOW WE WORKED THERE ,IN THE PHILLIPS CHIP PRODUCING PLANT!!!
Legal status of Taiwan? 1 The first political presence on Taiwan was the State of Wu in 230 AD 2 Koxinga established the first Han Chinese rule on February 1, 1662 3 Qing Dynasty ruled Taiwan from October 8, 1683 4 Qing Dynasty established the province of Taiwan on October 12, 1885 5 Full control over entire island first achieved by Imperial Japan, which they handed over to the Republic of China on October 25, 1945.
Correct. There is one more thing I would like to share with the world is the way we write(I'm from Taiwan), which is the difference of Traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese. PRC developed simplified Chinese in order to popularize the literacy rate. Taiwan has inherit the original Chisese characters (also does Hong Kong)which was used over thousand years. China and Taiwan do share same history and culture, but their government has put "Chinese" in shame because of their evil acts. Corona virus is just one of them, there are too much to list. I said PRC put Chinese in shame because we Taiwanese are also "Chinese" in cultural way. Also because Taiwan has officially named Republic of China, people hardly can tell the difference of Taiwan and China. We can understand, but this really bothers. Thanks for making the video so the world can understand we two countries better. Cheers
Covid has already been proven to have appeared in Europe and America before it's first sighting in Wuhan, you clown. Besides, nobody blames a country in which a natural plague emerges, because the causes can be transnational. Stop being an idiot and spreading misinformation.
Basically the China civil war is still on going. America took 4 years to settle their civil war, with 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers died. Then the unification. In this case, the situation is rather peculiar. Since it is civil war ongoing, both have to settle the issue themselves. During the America Civil War between North and South, did the people have the choice to make, to join the unification or not? No. It is political. Hence political decision. And the politics then declared America Civil War. The North won the war, and have unification till today. If the South won the war, it is different history and story.
@@liqiller it is a generationally changed country, just like both Koreas, the more time passed the more this will become clear. They should adopt a writing system like Hangul tho just to F with the chinese.
The Treaty of Shimonoseki peace conference took place in 1895 ending the First Sino-Japanese War. A part of that treaty: "Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Pescadores group, Formosa (Taiwan) and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property." China's Qing emperor signed that treaty, and thus granted FULL SOVEREIGNTY to Taiwan.
Doesn't Republic of China's (Taiwan) constitution says mainland China is part of Taiwan except that it does not have effective control of the mainland? So basically both agree that mainland China and Taiwan are inseparable except that both disagree who is the legitimate government of 'China' i.e. mainland and Taiwan.
No, the situation has changed. Now, many young taiwanese start what they call self recognition(I may use the wrong term), think they are independent and they should cut themselves from the concept of China.
The problem is the system and traditional culture all originates from what would have been applied in mainland China. Sometimes they can't even explain to support their ideas of independence.
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So it"s like...
Taiwan : "my country"
PRC : " *our country"
@thefucker ryan Found the CCP glowie
Jim Bob Found the cia glow in the dark african amercan
thefucker ryan Manufacturers will pull out and we will continue to arm Taiwan. China can't even keep their labs up to standard, what a disgrace!
@thefucker ryan most countries don't even reconize Taiwan as a country.................but they can go to any country with the ROC passport beside PRC
if this is not legitment ,why they can go anywhere with the ROC passport
So this is invasion
Comparing to many other Taiwan explain videos on TH-cam, the tone of this one is pretty objective.
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确实，讲的比较客观。不过跟大陆谈有多少军队，多少军费多少人口也挺幼稚的。大陆从来没把台湾当做对手，台湾只是真正对手的一条狗而已。
Jack Yin 没什么幼稚的.. 另外请还是说话文明点好
Warren how 没必要这么激动...我又不是做决策的人... 没必要假设他人立场
@@Paranoid_Found 无所谓回不回归，只希望两岸关系能好一点就行。
One very important point was failed to be mentioned. At the end of WWII, Taiwan was handed back to China as part of the post war agreement. Therefore, ROC had actually ruled the complete China (Mainland+Taiwan) between 1945-1949.
And, the PRC end up stealing it. For safety, the ROC had to set foot in Taiwan and plan on how will they reclaim the Mainland again
Taiwan was handed back to China as part of the post war agreement ???
@@willliu960730Yes, Taiwan was returned to China when there was one government but the problem is now there are two governments in this country.
@@kaichang2059 Taiwan is returned to "The Republic of China" ... the PROC simply didn't exist at that time.
@@JenghanHsieh Yes, there was only one legal government then. That’s why I say the unfinished civil war created two governments, both of the two claim whole China.
My grandfather fleed Mainland China to the Philippines becoz of the rising power of the communist regime. He started a new life here and passed away in the 80's. now im a 3rd generation of Chinese immigrants in the Philippines.
Your grandfather is a coward then. To fight the Capitalist Slave owers is glorious.
Ni hao ma xie xie
In fact, Mongolia also a part of Republic of China between 1911 and 1921
also parts of russia
@@superpowerdragon Mongolia is part of China
@@user-vu8rk4dz5f I was referring to the part that Russia took (唐努乌梁海）,"Mongolia and parts of Russia was territories of ROC"
1923
Chengiz Khan: *UNO reverse card*
Taiwan is just a chess piece between China and the United States
Noah Du Taiwan pro us
Except Taiwan is 10x better
The world's DOOMED.☠
Nailed it
Boom 💥
Experts say the likely hood of China attacking Taiwan is low because of a 160 kilometres of water and 180,000 active Taiwanese soldiers.
The experts can't be serious 😂
Yes, historically speaking, the mainland forces has always succesfully breached and defeat the island forces. Back from Koxinga war against the Dutch and Qing Empire war against Tungning. 160 km is not really considered far for naval landing operation.
@@cungcung5042 thats what i thought to be honest
@@cungcung5042 i mean look at ukraine and russia
I am a Sichuanese, I am also Chinese
Power of Mumbai s
Hatsuharu Akimoto let’s see whose race will last longer and which will be eliminated by which. Pls stfu.
Check facts before posting video pls. The map of ROC is only Taiwan?! Silly!
1348 yep, and that 1920s part should add the Mongolia either
I am Hubeinese, I am also Chinese
great video,the perspective is neutrul enough,which is really rare on the youtube.even there are several small mistakes such as the map of the ROC after 1912,but in general ,good job!
In ROC constitution, they own China mainland, Mongolia, South Tibet and 12 other region. That why Taiwan isn't independent at all.
They are when they desire so, the rule of democracy, it's a humane idea.
中华民国地图不知道去看么？
Kong Wee Peh also I’m serious telling you that they have been threatened us if we change our constitution (from the video if we dare trying to be independent) they r going to attack ? R u ok?
@@dennischeng329 Not my problem anyway.
@@anikiace2253 PRC and ROC recognized there is One China. No conflict on both side constitution. That how the 92 consensus came.
Taiwan’s official name is Republic of China, ROC aka China. But now the most countries in the world, including the states, only admitted that PROC as China. As a result, they only call ROC “Taiwan”, which is just a name of a island. But actually ROC was founded in 1911 which was a lot earlier than PROC. As we can’t use ROC in the world, this became a big problem. This is one major reason why the young generation of Taiwanese think that they are not also Chinese. On the other hand, we who claim that we are Taiwanese and also Chinese can’t say that we are Chinese or from China when we introduce us to others, because people will misunderstand that you are from mainland, PROC
PKU阿德 - See Articles 23 and 110 of the UN Charter. The seat of China is still the property of the ROC but its used by the PRC at the moment since 1971.
For the United States or other countries, you are Chinese, even if China is divided into ten countries, he is also Chinese.
Do you have Turkish version? We urgently need Turkish version.. Thank you!
中華民國本來就擁有主權國家，只是國土剩下臺灣彭湖金馬而以，人民追求的是民主自由平等博愛的國家，這是國父孫中山建國的原因，悍衛自由國家。
然后 中华民国总统自称自己是日本皇民 ，名字叫岩里政男！
As far as I know, Sun Yat-sen is a Chinese.What he did was to liberate the Chinese nation, not to split China.Your view of history is particularly questionable. you Need to study hard, I suggest you not to learn Taiwan's textbooks, but to learn from mainland textbooks, let you see what is the love of their motherland, what is to be loyal to your people, what is to Respect one's own nation and descent.
同意
得了吧，你们所做和英国一样，英控香港一直没有选举权，等到97回归前夕，拼命搞。
民主中國在台灣爽啦
A minor mistake in the map. From 1895 to 1945, Taiwan was occupied by Japan. It returned to ROC after WWII. So in the map (1945-1949), Taiwan and mainland China belong to one country.
Wrong, Taiwan was originally founded by the indigenous people (ethnic Lao people) over thousands of years ago not the Qing dynasty (Manchurian people) or the ROC or the PRC or the overseas Chinese hence they only migrated to Taiwan during the dutch occupation of the Taiwan in 1945 it's became part of the ROC territory.
@@oneviwatara9384 ‘Free’ is a strange word to describe the colonisation of Korea by Japan. Japan is a country that both North and South Korea dislike for history reasons.
@@supernt7852
That's because you and the rest of the Japanese haters have been brainwashed by the western media.
@@oneviwatara9384刘铭传怎么来的？无论你承不承认，康熙对台湾动武之后，台湾就成了中国(清朝)的一部分。
But they're just savages, maybe cannibals.
very good explanation..crisp, short & laser sharp !! i had some many doubts about taiwan and cleared most of it by watching this
seems rather shallow
I'm Chinese from the mainland, I totally understand the political demands of people in Taiwan, that is, to be independent. But what I don't understand is that you are trying to achieve this without realizing and respecting the historical facts. I mean, Taiwan is officially a province of the Republic of China, and the People's Republic of China won the civil war and took the seat of the ROC in the UN, which means, most countries in the world recognize that PRC is the only legal government of China. If you seek to be independent, you can't just ignore the basic facts that actually happened in history and just shout "Taiwan is not a part of China!" (because it is, according to the consensus reached by several major victors of world war II, China will take back Taiwan island from Japan). So this is actually a historical problem left here after the uncompleted Chinese civil war. Before you claim that Taiwan is not a part of China, at first, you should at least change the title of ROC to something else other than anything that contains "China". It's just funny to me that you guys want to be independent so much and are not on the right way to do it. Let's be clear, you should come up with a practical plan, achieve independent eventually by removing the word "China" from your country's title officially; working hard to build a good army in case that PLA will "invade" Taiwan after you announce independent formally, but definitely not by insulting Chinese people. you get nothing by insulting people of the same ethnic group but only our anger. It is dangerous that many Chinese people start to realize that they are being insulted by people in Taiwan for no reason and many of them are terribly angry about this. the western world always criticizes that people don't have democracy in China, but if we have it on this, I can only speak from my own experience, most young people around me would vote to start a war to solve this problem, I don't think it's a good thing for you guys. and of course, it's not a good thing for us, too. war is scary. so let's respect each other, you have your political views and I have mine. but respect the basic facts and don't be ignorant. Let's see how this goes.
兄弟你跟我想的一样，他们基本上不尊重历史事实。其实我也觉得无所谓，如果台湾想要独立，那愿不愿意赔偿我们战争赔款？愿不愿意把黄金及利息还回来？愿不愿意把故宫里的文物还回来？愿不愿意把金门和连江还回来？
@@WBY19920617 你好，你讨论的这些其实都是法理问题，是建立在中华民国已经被中华人民共和国所取代的基础上，而共和国愿意放弃对原属于中华民国的台湾的主权声索。两岸谈判和平分家达成台湾独立，但是我个人觉得可能性极低。首先，在对岸独派普遍不愿意尊重历史事实的情况下，他们不太会放弃自己的利益，而将原中华民国在内战中取得的利益拱手还给共和国；其次，中华人民共和国不会进行这种谈判，因为这关系到中共执政合法性的问题，不论从中国人的几千年传统的统一情节出发，还是在现代国际框架中来看，这都是中国人利益的极大损失，再现实一点，中国的大多数民意无法容忍再次失去一片在二战中付出巨大代价才从日本收回的领土，失去台湾，中共凉凉。总之，台湾想要独立只能通过战争，如果解放军兵败台湾，到时候中国人无话可说，拿台湾没办法。当然台湾真正通过军事手段独立后，中国政府会面临什么样的民意压力，不可想象。不过我本人认为解放军不太会输掉，坐拥广阔的后方纵深，以及巨大的民意支持，关键要加快海空军的建设。
@@pangolinbikes 是的，这种可能性极低，大陆方面不会这么做，台湾方面因为贪婪也不会这么做。我只是被他们冠以“侵略”的时候很不爽所以才有了这种想法。明明是台湾的国民政府给我们大陆人民造成了这么多的伤害，反过来他们倒成了悲情主角，我真的很不平衡。
看现今的形势，战争的可能性确实是越来越高了。只希望战争那场战争里死的人能少点吧。
Because the historical facts are all lies of the communist that is why. Why did Taiwan have to give up the seat in UN because China came in crying as the big baby to be the only China in UN. That is why there are North Korea and South Korea in UN but not ROC and PRC. So use some brain instead of believing the communist lies. UN doesn't decide which territory is a country or not a country okay. UN only keep peace by democratic votes. Second, Taiwan is part of China but not a part of PRC. According to are constitution by Dr. Sun Yat Sen, Republic of China is China not your fake PRC. When Japan returned Taiwan in 1945, your PRC wasn't even established yet, so how can Taiwan be PRC's land you stupid??? Use some logic here !!!!!!
Despite historical facts, most people living in Taiwan just don't want to be ruled by Chinese Communist Party. Your government totally loses our trust by what it has done to its people.
It is not we who cast "peace" away, but you.
🇹🇼Taiwan no.1
Taiwan's father, the United States, objected.
I agree with u the support from the mainland. hopefully, one day we could saw a independent and strong Taiwan as a country.
Not exactly, because USA NO.1.
K R what a joke😂
@@user-ev5gs6rw1z well, not exactly.
Wasn't there a big deal arms sale to Taiwan that ruffled the CCP's feathers?
The USA may 'say' it is, to appease the CCP, but don't be stupid; they don't actually respect that, they just say so to shut the CCP up.
The only video on TH-cam explained this matter accurately.
“American components, Russian components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN” - Armageddon
有國家開始注意到有兩個中國是非常棒的事情，這代表中華民國的機會來了!
台灣人現在必須一致對外宣稱自己是民主自由的中國人，如有機會接觸到外國人也應該把台灣與大陸的關係說明清楚，另外台灣內部也別再排斥說自己是中國人了
理由如下:
現在統治著大陸的政權就是個偽政權，跟國父孫文要創建的中國完全不一樣!
一、簡論中國:
台灣與大陸是地名，中華民國與中華人民共和國是國名，由中華民國這個政體管理的領土稱台灣，由中華人民共和國這個政體管理的領土稱大陸。 中國目前有2個，一是中華民國，一是中華人民共和國
1.中華民國:
為民主自由的中國，真正落實國父孫文的三民主義、民主思想。
中華民國是亞洲最早建立的民主國家，過去國父將民主、自由、平等、博愛等 作為中國的發展方向，但被蘇俄培植成立起來的共產黨完全摧毀掉中華民國既有的前進道路，導致後續國共內戰，民主自由的中國僅在台灣獲得實踐...
2.中華人民共和國:
為共產專制的中國，與國父當初要建立的民主中國背道而馳! 推崇"馬克思列寧主義"、"共產主義"
ps1.因過去中共領導人為了擊敗蔣中正奪取中國統治權(不管抗日、只管自肥)，不惜去抱蘇俄大腿，之後把中國搞得滿目瘡痍、民不聊生。
ps2.一定有人會反駁說現在大陸實施資本主義很久了、不專制了、也有部分投票權了，但官僚資本主義的性質仍有高度保守性、壟斷性、獨裁性)
兩岸就好比兩韓，北韓與南韓就是兩個韓國，兩岸就是兩個中國，這就是歷史造就的事實(由國共內戰後分裂)，只不過互不承認彼此的政權。
二、台灣民眾不能排斥說自己是中國人的理由-因為中共不等於中國:
台灣民眾不能害怕或逃避，本來就能大方承認自己是中國人 (中華民國、真中國) ，因為若是大家都一直逃避、不敢面對，久而久之國際社會會以為中國只有一個，就是中華人民共和國(偽中國)、就是大陸，卻不知道真正理想民主的中國在台灣落實。
韓國瑜日前說過，未來在國際場合只要有機會他就會讓"中華民國"在國際上被大家看到，不會再只稱台灣，目的就是避免各國都把中共與中國畫上等號。
承認自己是中國人絕非同意被中共(大陸)統治，也請把這種思維抽離自己的腦袋，這是正視歷史、面對真相、熱愛自己的國家就要為國發聲，展現更加堅定捍衛民主自由中國的決心；而不是鴕鳥心態搞台獨，自以為台灣與大陸一點關係也沒有(大陸是中華民國失去的疆土，當然要拿回來啊!)，自以為能閃避一輩子?
三、結論:
目前台灣有許多民眾非常排斥被說成是中國人，原因就在於"對中國的歷史理解不夠透徹"，但如果知道我們其實是民主自由的中國人、是在正確發展方向上的中國人、活在自由民主的體制之上的中國人，那承認自己是中國人又有何不可呢? 我非常慶幸生在中華民國(台灣)，且感到自豪與驕傲。
ps.過去就是不願正視歷史，課綱去中國化，導致現在不少民眾在台灣與中國的關係上理解不夠透徹。
後語:
我個人希望台灣民眾心中要有一個抱負，就像中共有"併吞台灣"的抱負一樣，在氣勢上當然不能輸給對方，所以我們要有光復大陸的抱負，但並非激進式的戰爭方式，而是以漸進式的和平方式 (相互交流、彼此理解) 讓民主的中華民國國旗能夠再插上大陸土地，這也是比較可能實現蔣經國總統過去所提出的「三民主義統一中國」之政策。
別忘了對岸大陸人也是共產主義的受害者，不少長輩受過迫害，如果未來有機會讓中華民國重掌大陸疆土，不只能讓對岸大陸同胞再次擁抱中華民國，也能實現國父當初未能完成的願望。
ps.兩岸關係也可以理解成一個中國兩個政府，就血脈而言同為炎黃子孫，故同為中國人，一中的說法也確實可以接受；但共產黨講的一個中國是又加上了政體的層次，逼迫台灣方面接受一個中國是中華人民共和國，這當然與台灣的中華民國政體有所牴觸。
ps.
台灣的歸屬:
國土間不存再從屬性，應從管理國土的國家政體來檢視國土的歸屬；1945年二次世界大戰日本投降時，將台灣歸還給中華民國政府(非中華人民共和國政府)，那時的中國是中華民國，中華人民共和國是在1949年擊敗國軍後才成立的偽政權(違背國父孫文的民主思想、三民主義，將"馬克思列寧主義"、"共產主義"帶進中國!)。
所以台灣本來就是歸還給中華民國，為中華民國固有之疆域，不屬於共產黨，也不屬於大陸。
完全正確
@@Lawliet-wen23 蓝色的敌人不只有绿色，还有红色。
作为大陆人，我觉得这个理论比绿营的台湾国理论好接受多了。
我不喜欢绿，也不喜欢红。
希望蓝回来统一中国。
Thanks for making this film, but there's one thing I'd like to remind you that China, the PRC government never controlled Taiwan, so it is not BACK under its control.
"After Japan’s surrender in World War II in 1945, Taiwan was returned to the control of the Chinese government, then led by Chiang Kai-shek and his Nationalist Party." Taiwan has returned to China since 1945, 4 years after its return, ROC relocated to Taiwan. Even in the current ROC constitution, Taiwan and mainland China are both part of China.
yes, PRC have never creat rules under Taiwan....
ROChina already independent since 1912 , unless ROC constitution amended into ROTaiwan , or merely talking for years without action ?
Taiwan is China, meaning whoever is the legitimate government of China has the right to govern China AS A WHOLE. Now its the PRC whether we like it or not. Taiwan should have been siezed before the civil war ended but the United States interfered in China's affairs making things complicated till now. Yes Taiwan is not under the PRC and never has been but it was, is and will always be China.
@@samwong5306 Yea yea, Native Americans are legitimate to rule America, Greeks are rightful owners of Anatolia stuff and stuff. Forget about these. Even America and other big countries do not acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent country. As I can see power gives the rights, PRC is a head in front of ROC about this. At the moment western media is stronger, that's why everybody is supporting ROC. But when the PRC times officially come, you will see that everyone will be saying opposite. Welcome to real world. Power rules, not legitimate rights or stuff.
“Peaceful reunification” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for the video. Didnt know about issue.
When people ask me if Taiwan is a part of China, I say
Historically yes,
Politically no.
God one
@Анатолий Иванов How much history do you actually know? If not, do not come here show how ignorant you are.
难道政治上台湾不属于中华民国吗？
@@user-mh3lk8ru8x 你说的对，谢谢提醒。
@Анатолий Иванов The history is a legit argument but you don't want to bother to learn, because you are either a hater or just dumb.
Thanks for you guys :)
You also failed to mention that in the 1990s people in Taiwan still thought they are Chinese. It was the democracy and freedom of speech that keep Taiwan's common people from deep debating. Instead, they were simply taught to be OK to think everything. Any attempt of objection and debate will be responded by labeling and accusing of violation of democracy. Any expression which shows Taiwan people's Chinese idendity would be labeled as "not loving Taiwan". This intimitated the silent majority. No one was talking about why the two sides of the strait is one country and people only recieve one voice of independence.
Most of my relatives in taiwan lived there way before the ROC ever came. They learned Japanese and not mandarin growing up.
@@cristoferchanimakso r they Japanese
@@ericjiang4282 no
@@cristoferchanimak那台湾人说闽南语更早，除了原住民，大都是台湾人是福建人的后代。
@@cristoferchanimakWhat about before Japanese went there? What language do they speak?
Thanks for explanation.
2:31
"some of the new political leaders have expressed their desire for sovereignty"
*shows KMT and Han Kuo-Yu on screen*
ROC is not just Taiwan. ROC today have, Kinmen, Matsu, Penghu, southern island and Taiwan.
Great video. Just one thing: "Qing" dynasty is pronounced as "ching." Look up the pinyin system.
that pronunciation of Qing dynasty though 😂😂😂
kwing
Time stamp?
@@mattiescott1615 0:47 The correct pronunciation should be like ''chin"
@@suarezzz6047 ching
@@AlbertWChang 清
I am taiwanese, and I am ALSO chinese. i dont think these two identities clash.
z h is a zombie account, probably a Chinese pretend to be Taiwanese.
The Republic of China is a democratic country, people have the right to freely identify themselves, only FASCIST Taiwanese who share your opinion and bigotry defame our compatriots and sabotage our Constitution.
I am a Chinese in ethnic but Taiwanese in nationality. There are millions of Chinese all over the world like Singapore, Malaysia, Laos, etc... I hope when they say they are Chinese you don't think they are from mainland right??? Can you differiate between the two????
@@stopwarstop7334 why do you have to have them differentiated? From Morocco to Iraq, Arabs live in dozens of different counties using different dialects. Yet they still say I am Arabic and I am from Morocco/ Saudi / Egypt... Next time if anyone asks, you can just say I am chinese and I am from Taiwan. Would the half part of the sentence really be so difficult or so long that makes you impossible to say it ?
@@ActuGentSH What??? 😂😂😂😂 Do you know it's very rude in western to ask people their ethnic?? When you ask a black where are you from? Will they say I am from Africa???? They say they are Americans. So Taiwan say we are Taiwanese means they are from Taiwan. What is so hard to say about that??? Common sense. Only people in China is confused about their own identity because they are feeling lonely nobody wants to identify with them. 😂😂😂
As a Taiwanese, I have to say that people who reside in Taiwan don't think they are Chinese. Most of us are just ethnic Chinese, and some of them are the aboriginals who don't have Chinese bloodlines.
brother，i am a tanwanese ，in fact we all Chinese（not mainland）
@@michaelshenshen6165 We are the ethnic Chinese or the Han Chinese. But not the "PRC's" Chinese people.
@@shiaubo But ROC's Chinese?
true true,PRC has no right over Taiwan. You guys need to stick with bigger guys like japan,usa,korea and india who are against PRC
That's the power of the textbook and media.
The so-called Taiwan Relations Act is but a fomestic law of the US regime, which is not any international law.
In fact, the design of that US domestic law is but a facade for the arms dealers and the neocons in the US regime to hide behind when making tons of money by selling useless junk to Taiwan while using Taiwan as one of its paens, as it does with Vietnam, South Korea, the Phollipines, and Japan, to encircle China.
Like during 1950s to 1960s, the US provided weapons, trained militias and then air dropped thrm yo Tibet, to attempt military operations against the People's Repunluc of China. The operation failed. And the CIA agents in that operation told that the US was not intended to help the Tibetans establish their separate state, nut just to cause nuisance yo China by containing China's devrlopment with such distraction via military actions.
The whole thing has.been declassifief and the BBC even made a documentary of it, called Operation Shadow Circus.
Very good summary!
this vid has only partly shown the historical heritage of the legal govt of China since 1912, but what about the time before that? What happens in the 1860s? It’s all misleading, the island of Taiwan was under the chinese’ rule since At least the Ming dynasty from what I learnt.
Tramplin O’Hanlon Yeah, in fact it was since Yuan Dynasty.
I'm not sure what you learned but Japan is the first government which ruled the entire island of Taiwan. All the governments before that only controlled part of Taiwan.
China's first rule of Taiwan was during Qing Dynasty. Before that, the Netherlands, Spain and Tungning subsequently ruled Taiwan. And before modern states came to Taiwan, there were Aboriginal tribes.
@@eric85077 it was since 17th century and by then the whole island has been a part of the Fujian province and later on a province itself.
Dark of the knight dont think that you are Malaysian, neither do I think that there’s anything close to logic from your cmt.
感謝你的影片，讓世界上更多人了解這件事
Thank you~
更多人了解，有什麼幫助?還要跟人謝謝，這只不過是陳述歷史而已
我大概知道怎麼回事了
We all know we are all watching
Taiwan is my hometown. I am from Taiwan. We have many indigenous peoples and even develop our unique culture. We are also very democratic and free. If the government of the Republic of China did not hold this treasure island, then today, Maybe not so much freedom. My country is the Republic of China🇹🇼🇹🇼, and I also love Taiwan.
I am just a high school student in Taiwan.
Taiwan is an island. Not country
@@salaheryo read his comment again idiot
@@byang5398 So？twenty years ago,No Taiwanese acknowledge they are not chinese. The young generation is just being brainwashed.
ROC is already part of history. it's this simple. ROC is dead. PRC will take it over. Taiwan is now controlled by a group of lawless. when it was the right time, a group of police will save you guys out. wait and see, kid. Time will tell.
Call Taiwan a country, call it a disobedient province of china... who cares how its described or regarded, as long as the ROC government there continues to rule, Taiwan stays as it is with all the freedoms they enjoy, just look how the mainland is screwing up Hong Kong... they said they would let it be and not impose any thing for 50 years... couldnt control themselves and its being over run with mainlanders, the culture and language is going... its being assimilated just like the Tibetans, Uighers and anyone else who is different...
As a Taiwanese and Chinese.
The truth is although both the Taiwan and mainland belong to China, they are ruled by their respective regimes(ROC、 PRC),
one country two regimes. The constitutional territories of the two regimes overlap each other.
As a Shanghainese and a Chinese, I agree your point of view
How wonderful and clear explanation 👍
The PRC never conquered ROC Taiwan, so technically it's not independence.
it's not finished civil war
@@elnorton7113 Yeah pretty much... but not quite as well. Used to be CCP against KMT under the country of ROC - This did fit the term of civil war.
However, due to CCP declared PRC establishment back in 1949 before conquering the island of Taiwan and defeating ROC entirely. What they did was basically declaring to the world that they took the mainland from ROC and created the country of PRC themselves, and the problem of two Chinas actually was a result & claim produced by CCP themselves. (You know what they say about lying enough to people and the lie becomes the truth.)
@@gwyn. 你们的民进党现在想做和当时一样的事情。民进党=台湾共产党
What country did Taiwan belong to before the Nationalists fled to form their own country?
Republic of China.Taiwan province has been returned to ROC since the japan‘s submission in 1945
Republic of China.Taiwan province has been returned to ROC since the japan‘s submission in 1945
I am a Taiwanese and I am also a Chinese. I support national reunification.
握手
Good
Taiwan is a country.
That's lots of person who have no courage to admit
So as a part of Taiwan
I'm proud and want to say
If u don't respect nationality in the "small island" who have their own legislative and culture U are not a country U have no worthy of being called a "country"
做的真好
Broadly speaking, this video is quite balanced, but with some crucial facts wrong. The question of who owns what could never be answered. One basic fact I believe this video didn't get it right is when they start shooting. The question is: "Would USA really going to come to Taiwan's aid?" Perhaps. But then this video brought out the reason why I believe USA won't. This video articulated that the 160 KM between China and Taiwan would be a deterrent for China. If that is the case, wouldn't it be even more difficult for USA to come all the way from America to fight a war with the Chinese ?
Even if America beat China, it will have to keep troops on Taiwan, and it will have to be a very large contingent. Now would you believe that China will let USA hanging around Taiwan? There will be never ending battles between the occupying force, ie. USA, and China. Could and would USA sustain a long war? I doubt it. Iraq and Afghanistan are proofs that USA cannot fight long wars, not so far away from home anyway.
The alternative for USA is to go all the way and invade mainland. Now that would be a very different story. All the fire power won't be sufficient to subdue land attacks. Sure, USA has good tanks, but I didn't see any advantage of that in the Middle East. So all the chest beating will come to nothing.
Wow... you have explained nicely tysm
One small correction, at 1:18, the map showing regions of the communist party is not correct. At that time Tebet is still under the control of KMT. Other regions may also be incorrect.
Tibet actually was not under the Communist Partie's control for a long time even after 1949. And the KMT government first fled towards the southern China, then towards Taiwan island.
You missed the 1945, when ROC took Taiwan back from Japan.
I shed my tears becauce most people in Taiwan can't even tell these facts
高中歷史就有教了吧?不知道的應該是學店生= =
@Q Q 就是內戰打輸跑過來而已 而且還是先往四川跑之後才過來，台灣不就在隔壁而已嗎？
外來流亡政權就是外來流亡政權
不要跟我裝原生種
@@OliverLin1023 1949戰敗跑到台灣怎麼會沒教?我只針對你說most people in Taiwan can't even tell these fact表示反對 不可能不知道這些事實(fact) 至於每個人怎麼理解這段歷史那是opinion
Nicely explained.
That was excellent. Thank you.
I’m a taiwanese. And also a chinese
You're not Taiwanese, I seen you elsewhere typing in Simplified Chinese spreading communist propogranda, and you kept using terms that are rarely seen in Taiwanese Madarin. I bet you don't know any Hokkien or Hakka either
你管好柯文哲就好
問世堅情為何物
id 笑尿，哈哈哈哈
Jun Chen I am a CSU student（Also, I am Japanese） I'm sure you don't even know that HOKKIEN and HAKKA are both one of the common dialects of South China (Fujian). And HOKKIEN and HAKKA are both from the mainland.
我觉得，中国，并不是中华人民共和国，而是这一个同根同源的人类，拥有同样的历史骄傲
應該說它是個多義詞，可以指那塊土地，也可以是這個族群、文化，基本上也可以指中華人民共和國。臺灣也是，可以指一個島、一個省（兩岸劃分的臺灣省範圍還不一樣）、或廣義地指中華民國。政客最常利用其中不同的意義玩文字遊戲，在政治上，兩岸是分離的，在文化、地理上則是相近的。至於要不要統一，只能說政治歸政治、文化歸文化，就算中國只有一個，上面也可能有不同國家，就像戰國時期、南北朝等。今天臺灣當前基本上比較類似南宋偏安，只是更遠，也沒想要反攻大陸了，只求不被打下來，跟南宋抵抗元朝一樣
why is the voice so quiet on this video had too crank the speakers up
Stop arguing folks, can we agree we are all the great Han? Regardless of politics and countries, China is only a term to constrain our boundaries. The Han should be glorified.
China is a civilization state and the question of being a Chinese or not is often misunderstood. In English, the question essentially equates to "do you identify with the mainland regime?" and you can't reasonably expect the Taiwanese to nod yes (to push to an extreme, the west can also ask whether Koreans identify with the DPRK and be happily assured that they don't). Calm down, it's a wrong question to ask because you are qualifying the concept of China (resp. Korea) to one particular gov in a particular time of history. But really in the last 2000 years or so, there were hundreds of regimes established by emperors, warlords, and yes invaders (Yuan and Qing to name a few) on the land now known as China. That's why China is better characterized as a civilization stripped of political parties. This civilization is so strong that most of those who invaded and ruled China at one time in history merely embraced it and become a member of it as did the Mongols and the Man people. I conjecture that if Japan did occupied all of China after WWII like Genghis Khan did in the 1200s, then, after a hundred years maybe, the Chinese border will extend to include the Japanese islands. No joke, Khan killed Han Chinese in millions, but his lands got integrated into China in the long run. Now, this talk of civilization is put aside because of a discontent towards Authoritarianism (frankly, the mainlanders are not very pleased about it too). But the civilization continues. Do the Taiwanese celebrate Chinese New Year? Are they proud of their language? Their cultural heritage? Yes, yes, and yes. Had China adopted democracy, the Taiwanese would surely identify as Chinese (both culturally and politically). Maybe Korean and Vietnamese schools will start teaching Chinese characters again like they did before, who knows? So, stop kidnapping a civilization in the name of politics.
WW2 was a different story. Japan treated China as a backward civilization, determined to Japanize China, this eventually pushed modern Chinese nationalism to develop and mature, and defeated Japan. Japanese culture was influenced deeply by 800-year Samurai ruling, its core is quite different from China or Korea's Confucian culture.
我是大陆人，我支持台湾独立公投并希望台湾正名制宪谋求独立！但是独立革命都是要流血的，希望台湾有志青年特别是台独青年英勇参军保家卫国，就算战死沙场，我们会永远怀念独立纪念碑上一个个永不磨灭的英名！
王一一 以武拒统死路一条，岛上某些分裂分子很清楚，死都不敢踩红线。
1073273 蔡省長比你清楚後果
Minkin Ryan 廢話少説，趕快打～
1073273 廢話不多說你省倒是快宣佈獨立啊
保證動你
Minkin Ryan 哈哈 I knew it~Have a nice day~
Thank you.
Of course not everyone thinks they quote "Taiwanese" but rather some of they actually respect they're Chinese ancesterol heritage
I think the relationship between tw and mainland China is the same to Korean : one country two government.
鄭宜傑 But did you see two Korean countries everywhere.
North Korea and South Korea are two different countries lmao
You couldn't be more wrong lol
@@taiwanisnotchina4848 They both claim all of Korea so its kinda like he said
Nope
I remember there is a type of weapon called missile, war nowadays is way much different from Normandy Battle, bro
How can you show disputed territories and territories forcibly won by China in your ROC map of 1912? Your map includes Tibet which was forcefully acquired by China in 1950
It's actually a colour revolution and the ROC lost the civil war.
Taiwan was regarded as a territory by the Republic of China in 1954. In 1954, the Republic of China at that time had China's five permanent seats in the United Nations, that is, orthodox China. From 1954 to 1971, Taiwan was part of the orthodox Chinese territory. However, after 1971, the Republic of China withdrew from the United Nations and no longer held the title of orthodox China. By definition, the Republic of China degenerated from orthodox China into a Chinese rebel organization. With the democratization in the 1990s, Taiwanese took control of this organization through elections, and transformed the Republic of China from a rebel organization in China into a country built by more than 20 million people. This country is called the Republic of China, Taiwan. In the future, this may change the country's name from the Republic of China, Taiwan, to the Republic of Taiwan. However, to the People's Republic of China, Taiwan under the Republic of China 's rule is like the property of its father, and the Republic of China in Taiwan is like the illegitimate son of the Republic of China in Taiwan, competing with the People's Republic of China for the property of Taiwan. However, Taiwan, the Republic of China, is not recognized as a country by the international community, so it will certainly suffer a loss in the fight for its inheritance. Even in the future, the Republic of Taiwan will have difficulties in claiming to inherit the Republic of China Taiwan, which is not recognized as a country. If the Republic of Taiwan is independent from the People's Republic of China rather than the Republic of China Taiwan, it must first recognize that Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China. But doesn't this mean unification? If the Republic of Taiwan is independent from the Republic of China Taiwan, because the Republic of China Taiwan are A country transformed from the Republic of China, a Chinese rebel organization, is not recognized as a country and will encounter the same dilemma as independence from the People's Republic of China. Therefore, the Republic of China Taiwan do not want to be reunified, but they cannot become independent and can only maintain the status quo.
Thank you！！from Taiwan
Taiwanese people will always be supported by India. We are brothers and we have one enemy in common, People's Republic of China, or the Communist China.
@@user-ko8xo4dt5h ohhh legend
rude much .-. right in front of me, who grew up in mainland
@@NotesFromUnder grew up in China? 🤣🤣False. Good try tho.
Taiwan, China. ALL HAIL KMT!!!!
too much inaccuracy lol. there is 2 chinas and 1 taiwan territory, actually.
taiwan and its surrounding islands were ceded (read, totally removed) from qing dynasty china to japan in 1895.
it has since remained out of mainland china's jurisdiction in the last 120yrs or so.
communist and republics fought a civil war in mainland china, openly or otherwise, from the 1920s all the way to 1945.
after japan surrendered, republics were sent to taiwan by allied GHQ to oversee surrender of japanese troops.
it is a military occupation, but no taking over of sovereignty as it should be a joint allied nations decision.
that will be SF treaty 1951.
in the meantime, the republics lost the civil war in mainland from 1945-1949, and its govt retreated to taiwan in 1949.
so now there is a PRC mainland, a republics ROC in taiwan, and a taiwan territory that is under ROC occupation.
both PRC and ROC did not sign the SF treaty for various reasons, but japan gave up taiwan in SF treaty anyway.
so the sovereignty of taiwan wasnt passed to anyone. this gave rise to some taiwanese seeking an independent nation.
both PRC and ROC do not recognise each other officially. and althou both claimed 1 china, they meant different things.
at least their territorial claims are different. they are 2 separate entities.
but both claimed taiwan as part of their version of china anyway. the pro-independent taiwanese want a different nation.
nothing to do with PRC mainland, also want to remove ROC, which they see as a foreign occupation force.
and in-btw these, there are different taiwanese groups in the spectrum.
some would agree to 'ROC is taiwan', thus 2 chinas, 1 in mainland, 1 in taiwan.
others might want to form a federation or union. but anyway, both PRC and ROC has no legitimacy over taiwan.
both are just 'claiming to have jurisdiction over taiwan'.
PRC hasnt ruled taiwan for a single day since its establishment in 1949.
ROC ruled taiwan as a prolonged military occupation, without taking over its sovereignty from japan.
Aniki Ace Thank you for writing this, lately I have been seeing youtube comments and videos (even this one) which have been over simplified and makes it look like independence for Taiwan is just some stupid meaningless movement.
Good video, succinct and minimal bias.
“Qing” is pronounce as “Ching”
I'm Taiwanese，and Chinese as well.
After having watched an Irish guy's video about it for 10 mins with lots of unnecessary details, this one has felt it's precise and on-point. Keep up the good journalism TRT! My support is yours from Ankara.
Its only a 10 minute video i kinda like the details
Brilliant video
Best explanation ❤
事實上有兩個中國
一個自由中國，一個共產中國
自由中國控制台澎金馬地區
共產中國控制中國大陸地區
其实大陆也有很多人反对武统啊，像我并不在乎，如果能和平统一当然会更好(国力大增)如果台湾人不愿意就不应该强求，我希望中国能外修和平，对内进行体制改革，一点一点进步，凡中国之国民人人平等，取消共产党刻意给港澳台和少民的优惠，所谓不患寡而患不均，如果大体上能够人人平等，我会更爱这个国家。
@@chaohe883 很少有像您這麼理性的大陸人 獻上敬意。多數大陸人忽略台灣人的感受 一味跟我們台灣人說"至史以來台灣就是中國不可分割的一塊" 或 "我們受的教育就是台灣是中國的一部分" 完全不願意瞭解台灣人的想法和感受 這讓我們覺得沒有得到應有的尊重 也就是為什麼有些台灣人會不喜歡大陸人的原因之一 － 先入為主 沒有尊重別人
我的觀點是 如果大陸和台灣統一 能取代美國成為世界強權 本人是很願意的 然後慢慢將台灣的人權、自由觀念傳輸至大陸 實現人權自由平等的普世價值 大陸也就會尊重台灣和其他香港地區等地的自我發展以及未來的自主權等 當然這是最理想的狀況
@@ethanwei7332 不喜欢不还是因为李登辉这逼开始改了教科书，相比台独，我更喜欢喝坚持中华民国的台湾朋友交流。，，可惜。，，在美留学的年轻台湾人，多数接受了台独教育
@@agd36 會有不同國家的認知是因為我們叫自己是中華民國(ROC)的人民，如果你要說都是中華民族，講民族性可以，就像亞洲一樣大致的區域，但要我們認為自己是（RPC）的人我們不認同，看看香港，中英之前答應了香港的特殊地位，保持五十年，會一國兩制的，在香港我們看到的是香港民眾的反送中的意願、暴力警察的事情，在大陸內看到的只有暴民，香港想獨立的事情，明明五大訴求沒有一條是要港獨，想想香港都如此了，萬一真的變一國了，難保台灣不會成為下一個香港。
還有中共連在國際上都不讓我們帶著中華民國的國旗甚至於我們需要改成其他的圖形，冠上中華台北，不可以叫中華民國的事情，這些事情在台灣民眾心中感覺不到任何的善意，還有很多例子我都不想說了。
櫻櫻美黛子 警察施暴是因为什么？ 是因为非法聚集占领街道，阻碍百姓通行，还有你没有看到新闻关于火烧警察，拿刀行刺警察的颈部吗？这些都促使了警察为了自己自身防护才作出的行为阿. 换做是美国直接就挨枪子了好嘛.
I always wondered what the deal was between China and Taiwan. This video helped but but not fully. But the main thing is China believes Taiwan is part of China and Taiwan disagrees is that pretty much it?
Yes
As you can see in wiki ,the offical name of Taiwan is "Republic of China (ROC)",so there is nothing wrong to say that "Taiwan is part of China".
did you watch the video?
The story should begin from 1895, not 1912.
After you explain Taiwan and China, could you explain Texas and the U.S., too?
Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石 Jiǎngjièshí) made a stupid mistake when he claimed tiny Taiwan was "the real China". It forced a choice of what is China and cost Taiwan a seat in the United Nations. That does nothing to support the communist claim that Taiwan is a mainland province. It was "declared" so by the Qing emperor in 1887, but Qing rule was sparse and did not effectively convert the Taiwanese to the emperor's way of thinking. Just as the Nazis had to give up on the idea of owning Poland, so must the People's republic of China give up thinking they own Taiwan.
a stupid video hide the truth. It stated throw back to qing dynasty, but it intentionally didnt state taiwan is under qing dynasty that time. after revolution, taiwan is until ROC. and next only Chiang retreated to taiwan. so basically from the history, in fact taiwan is under china, taiwan is a part of island of china. taiwan will fall into the same situation just like catalonia if they declare any "independent". Conclusively, @TRTWorld the video u made with incompleted information and truth, u r a true transparent democracy channel, but end up u are being stereotypes, u r so shame to be a unprofessional media, shame to report the fake news!
how? If I did not make wrong about that,
the democracy and communism, which has fundamental differences, how to make it united in one bureaucratic system?
Wait the Mongolia was missing from the R.O.C map
Mongolia was independent. Read about Mongol Empire and Qing dynasty.
@@davagdorjgantulga166 actually
ROC chaim whole area of qing，but some like tibet and mongolia， coummunist district.not indeed under control.
Free Taiwan
Liberate Taiwan
How can you free something that is already free?
I‘m a Shenzhenese, and not Taiwanese. Shenzhen has the similar population number with Taiwan City.
SHENZHEN ...WHAT A MIRACLE..I REMEMBER 30 YEARS AGO ,IT WAS A FARM LAND,30.000 CHINESE FARMERS,THAT PLANTED PETCHAI ..TODAY HAS SURPASSED ,THE SILICON VALE ,A METROPOLITAN CENTER ,WHILE TAIWAN IN THE 70'S ,HAD ITS HAY DAYS,THE EXPORT ZONE I.T.COMPANIES,IN KAWSHUNG ,COULD NOT HOLD A CANDLE TO CHINA !I KNOW WE WORKED THERE ,IN THE PHILLIPS CHIP PRODUCING PLANT!!!
深圳人口太少了，上海差不多
Taiwan ain't a city
@@cigxhang486 My family migrated to mainland from Taiwan, I still have relatives living in Taiwan due to the civil war. It's a beautiful city now.
Have two Korea, why, can’t have two China too
China Civil War is not ended. Both ROC and PRC agree one China and are fighting for representative of China. Wait and see what will happen.
Legal status of Taiwan?
1 The first political presence on Taiwan was the State of Wu in 230 AD
2 Koxinga established the first Han Chinese rule on February 1, 1662
3 Qing Dynasty ruled Taiwan from October 8, 1683
4 Qing Dynasty established the province of Taiwan on October 12, 1885
5 Full control over entire island first achieved by Imperial Japan, which they handed over to the Republic of China on October 25, 1945.
Correct.
There is one more thing I would like to share with the world is the way we write(I'm from Taiwan), which is the difference of Traditional Chinese and simplified Chinese.
PRC developed simplified Chinese in order to popularize the literacy rate.
Taiwan has inherit the original Chisese characters (also does Hong Kong)which was used over thousand years.
China and Taiwan do share same history and culture, but their government has put "Chinese" in shame because of their evil acts. Corona virus is just one of them, there are too much to list. I said PRC put Chinese in shame because we Taiwanese are also "Chinese" in cultural way. Also because Taiwan has officially named Republic of China, people hardly can tell the difference of Taiwan and China. We can understand, but this really bothers.
Thanks for making the video so the world can understand we two countries better.
Cheers
Communist China is an illegal regime.
Covid has already been proven to have appeared in Europe and America before it's first sighting in Wuhan, you clown. Besides, nobody blames a country in which a natural plague emerges, because the causes can be transnational. Stop being an idiot and spreading misinformation.
Simplified Chinese characters were introduced during the period of the Republic of China, not invented 49 years later.
I'm shandongnese and also chinese
what's the point of making those claims i don't understand...
同作为山东人，用英文说出来不觉得有些无聊吗，山东是中国的还用得着说，四川不也是？
@@cigxhang486 因为很多人说taiwanese不是Chinese。taiwanese和shandongnese一样，都是中国一个省的人。
Basically the China civil war is still on going.
America took 4 years to settle their civil war, with 620,000 to 750,000 soldiers died. Then the unification.
In this case, the situation is rather peculiar. Since it is civil war ongoing, both have to settle the issue themselves.
During the America Civil War between North and South, did the people have the choice to make, to join the unification or not?
No.
It is political. Hence political decision. And the politics then declared America Civil War.
The North won the war, and have unification till today.
If the South won the war, it is different history and story.
This video is 3 year old, see how diplomacy changes so fast .. 2022 taiwan is under attack .
Hope one day the Republic of Taiwan and the Republic of China can build official diplomatic relations.
Here because of Hololive problem.
same
rip coco and haachama
Sad to see people attacking each other.
So when we say "we support Taiwan" we are really saying ""we support the RoC"
That's pretty clear, Taiwan has its own military force, government and its nation name distinct from mainland.
so it's a de facto state, not an officially recognised state
@@liqiller it is a generationally changed country, just like both Koreas, the more time passed the more this will become clear. They should adopt a writing system like Hangul tho just to F with the chinese.
Yes. Taiwan isn’t part of China
The Treaty of Shimonoseki peace conference took place in 1895 ending the First Sino-Japanese War. A part of that treaty: "Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Pescadores group, Formosa (Taiwan) and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property." China's Qing emperor signed that treaty, and thus granted FULL SOVEREIGNTY to Taiwan.
after WWII, the soverignty was returned to CHINA
二战后，日本把台湾还给了中国
Doesn't Republic of China's (Taiwan) constitution says mainland China is part of Taiwan except that it does not have effective control of the mainland? So basically both agree that mainland China and Taiwan are inseparable except that both disagree who is the legitimate government of 'China' i.e. mainland and Taiwan.
No, the situation has changed. Now, many young taiwanese start what they call self recognition(I may use the wrong term), think they are independent and they should cut themselves from the concept of China.
The problem is the system and traditional culture all originates from what would have been applied in mainland China. Sometimes they can't even explain to support their ideas of independence.
There are two Chinas. This is the reality.
Sounds like the briefing cutscene before a Call of Duty campaign mission
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為何要謝謝? 哪裡讓你高潮了
Why you guys doenst declare independence?
@@carlbergelcias What's the Policy
Truth is, the independence of Taiwan is not dependent on Taiwan.
Your ROC map is not accurate. Forgot to included Outer Mongolia.