This Foden S85 when new, was a Department of Transport snowplough/gritter, fitted with a Rolls Royce 265L diesel. Cold starts in sub zero temperatures were always a lot more difficult, although they were all fitted with a device called Start Pilot, that was filled with a cold start liquid. The driver used a hand pump fitted inside the cab to inject the liquid into the air intake once the ignition key was turned to start, and this allowed the engine to fire quite easily.
On the cold start that poor Roller Eagle knocked heavily, like a pervy businessman with a tart. Me , if i owned that old ex council Foden gritting wagonr i,d bin the Roller in favour of a straight eight Gardner 8LXB, a nice pair of 385.65.R.22.5 Super Single tyres on the front axle and an 18 speed semi auto box of my own design.
@TheConradChannel Thanks! Saldy my only proper truck driving has been 2 Cargos, a couple of old Hinos, good few volvos and scanias (80s and 90s), a Bedford TK and modern boring things. Would love to have the spare cash to get something proper old just for fun. I missed out on driving all of the cool old stuff originally, being in my 20s
Can't believe these trucks still manage to sell in the 70's and 80's with the non smoking, easy starting, smooth running Volvo, Scania and Mercedes available at the same time!
I'm guessing lexpelicana that you never drove any of the European lorries you mentioned once they had done a few miles . In my experience the Cummins engine vehicles started the cleanest . The important thing is it started and once warm the smoke will be much lighter .
I had around a dozen Volvos ranging from F7, F10, F12 400, Fh13 500 and ultimately F16 700. This would pull 44++ on the AR/AP gradients in top gear at 100kph running from Malaga to Calais return pulling tilts. Theres no comparison between outdated British trucks to the far more advanced Swedish. Most UK trucks like Foden /ERF ect were a real mish mash of parts like Gardner engines, Fuller gearbox's, Rock well axles. Nothing was designed in house. Coupled with very poor cabs with ill fitting doors ect and poor interiors resulting in poor driver acceptance. Even my old F7 with only 224hp with 16 speed range change /splitter box pulled 40t. This I'd still rather drive than anything UK made..
Foden invested in the most high tech plant in Europe. Unfortunately just before a major economic downturn, and we're struggling to pay for it with no orders. Using bought in components was a last ditch cost cutting. Up until then Foden cast, designed, and made all major components
flydream2 It seems you really know what you are talking about. We had an old S80 with the same problem in cold conditions. If only you had been there to give advice?
Horrific things to drive. Ref starting, driver keeps lifting his foot off the throttle. Keep your foot down and just let it rev out. RR Eagle was one of the worst diesels ever made, nearly as bad as Gardner. Neither could pull heavy loads, they were just plain hard work for drivers. Perfect example why there is no more UK truck manufacturers. The likes of Volvo, Scania, DAF ect had vastly more power/torque, were comfortable quality driver focused trucks..
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This Foden S85 when new, was a Department of Transport snowplough/gritter, fitted with a Rolls Royce 265L diesel. Cold starts in sub zero temperatures were always a lot more difficult, although they were all fitted with a device called Start Pilot, that was filled with a cold start liquid. The driver used a hand pump fitted inside the cab to inject the liquid into the air intake once the ignition key was turned to start, and this allowed the engine to fire quite easily.
The RR was a decent enough puller and better on fuel than a cummins, but developed a reputation for liner and head trouble
Nice warm n cozy smoke must have smell good
Brings back memories
On the cold start that poor Roller Eagle knocked heavily, like a pervy businessman with a tart. Me , if i owned that old ex council Foden gritting wagonr i,d bin the Roller in favour of a straight eight Gardner 8LXB, a nice pair of 385.65.R.22.5 Super Single tyres on the front axle and an 18 speed semi auto box of my own design.
This must be one of the new Euro 6 engines... :D
Lol. All economic and environmentally friendly just like a vw diesel
That's closer to the truth than you imagine.
22fret Euro 0.3
@TheConradChannel Thanks! Saldy my only proper truck driving has been 2 Cargos, a couple of old Hinos, good few volvos and scanias (80s and 90s), a Bedford TK and modern boring things. Would love to have the spare cash to get something proper old just for fun. I missed out on driving all of the cool old stuff originally, being in my 20s
there was a Foden in new zealand called huff n puff. it could blow black coal on hills climbs.
@CycolacFan Now that you mention it I think we had it off to clean and spray that area. Which explains why I remember not going anywhere . . .
@TheConradChannel - It's a RR 285 Eagle. Slightly smaller than the Scammell Crusaders' RR 305.
Come on baby, come on pump it pump it, come on
good old roller
I know, runs like a dream once she's warmed up though...
Nice, what a tidy looking truck. Don't know much about these though. What engine has it got?
I don't have the information to hand but I think it was on the M4.
Is it just the camera angle or are you missing the front offside wheel?
This was not the first start attempt was it?
Does it have a grid heater or flame start device?
Can't believe these trucks still manage to sell in the 70's and 80's with the non smoking, easy starting, smooth running Volvo, Scania and Mercedes available at the same time!
My dad had one of these .It flew past volvos no bother
And didnt rust like a rotten pear!!!! Only people who knock Fodens, are those who couldn't drive them!
I'm guessing lexpelicana that you never drove any of the European lorries you mentioned once they had done a few miles . In my experience the Cummins engine vehicles started the cleanest . The important thing is it started and once warm the smoke will be much lighter .
I had around a dozen Volvos ranging from F7, F10, F12 400, Fh13 500 and ultimately F16 700. This would pull 44++ on the AR/AP gradients in top gear at 100kph running from Malaga to Calais return pulling tilts.
Theres no comparison between outdated British trucks to the far more advanced Swedish. Most UK trucks like Foden /ERF ect were a real mish mash of parts like Gardner engines, Fuller gearbox's, Rock well axles. Nothing was designed in house. Coupled with very poor cabs with ill fitting doors ect and poor interiors resulting in poor driver acceptance. Even my old F7 with only 224hp with 16 speed range change /splitter box pulled 40t. This I'd still rather drive than anything UK made..
Foden invested in the most high tech plant in Europe. Unfortunately just before a major economic downturn, and we're struggling to pay for it with no orders. Using bought in components was a last ditch cost cutting. Up until then Foden cast, designed, and made all major components
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@manxrailwaysyessir Just like a Ford Mondeo then :P
Yes and no. You can pump something in, I forget what, for cold starting but we haven't been able to find an adaptor
Just fit a CAV Thermostart to it
No starting fluid or ether used just diesel. Easy to fit and works perfectly each n every time.
Sounds a bit rough?
Proper motor ! Your modern day snowflakes wouldn’t know where to start
sounds like a foden to me
is it a garder powered machine?
265 BHP Rolls Royce Eagle Diesel
Leyland engine?
Not a sight or sound for Greta Thunberg, but I like it! 😂
They say Detroit engines are smokey
Done on someone elses login, ops
sexual
Puffing Billy No Good Foden Name ??
glow plug fucked or you haven't waited the block heater
These don't have either mate 😂
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flydream2 It seems you really know what you are talking about. We had an old S80 with the same problem in cold conditions. If only you had been there to give advice?
It's not a yank truck... These old British things didn't have anything in the way of starting aides...
As you see it started , yes a bit hesitant and smokey but it started , as long as the batteries were good .
Horrific things to drive.
Ref starting, driver keeps lifting his foot off the throttle. Keep your foot down and just let it rev out.
RR Eagle was one of the worst diesels ever made, nearly as bad as Gardner. Neither could pull heavy loads, they were just plain hard work for drivers.
Perfect example why there is no more UK truck manufacturers.
The likes of Volvo, Scania, DAF ect had vastly more power/torque, were comfortable quality driver focused trucks..