I feel like a lot of people are also missing what Hi-Rez's priorities should be for Smite 2. Their first priorities for Smite 2 seem to be, adding all the gods, improving gameplay, and improving matchmaking, which should take priority over adding every cosmetic.
no ranked leaderboard and rewards for Arena players, 6 year outdated map, no tournaments, no conquest team que, no rewards for conquest, no old fun gamemdoes/assets in match of the day rotation... they are sleeping on 70% of their playerbase,... EU the biggest region, arena the most popular gmaemode,international, console players....
I'm gonna say it: the fact that the biggest "bad thing" people talk about when discussing smite 2 is "skin ports" is proof that they've done things right. We could have had controversies about gameplay, about prices, about removing content or platforms, but we've got none of that. That's a sequel done right imo, at least as far as announcements go Edit: dang people are salty
That's only because "there's no game", nobody played it yet, if the game launches and there's tons of bugs and problems, these will just get added to the pile of complaints that already exists. Some people are way too optimistic about this game, just because it's a new engine, UE 5 is "brand new", no one knows how to use it to it's full potential. I hope i'm wrong, but it's Hi-Rez we are talking about, i'm just not going to have any expectations.
@@brandonuzumaki Nobody played it xd, fineokay, weaken and anothers smite youtubers already played, and they upload the video its not the best quality video but you can see a lot of the new things. and the ppl still complaining about skins and not about the gameplay or the things we can see in this yt videos
@@pertle1130 definitely not. This implies 2 things, first being that a considerable portion of people will choose to stick with Smite 1 over Smite 2. The fact is the vast majority of people, particularly pros and streamers which drive a large portion of the community, will switch over to Smite 2. Any hold outs will also switch over once Smite 1 is effectively dead. Secondly, it implies that the sequel wont expand the community. Seems probable that a large number of new players will start playing Smite 2, so even if a lot of old fans did stop playing, I think Smite 2 still has a really good outlook.
I would also like to point out that hirez has confirmed they're giving you the voice packs for gods for free when you get the god. If you own every voicepack in smite 1, thats 19,500 if you got them from the voice pack chest, or 26,000 if you direct purchased them. You're getting those gems back and the Voice Packs.
I struggle to understand the anger, but relate to the disappointment regarding the skins. All Smite is doing, is what the likes of COD and FIFA have been doing for years, but to an actual effect. Whilst COD and FIFA do it yearly, throwing away any customization or progression you made, all for the sake of paying $80 to play the same game and do it again. Smite 1 advances 2 generations forward to UE5 with extreme mechanical and engine upgrades that benefits both the community and the developers massively after almost 13 years. They compensate players by giving them their Gems back, including those they didn't pay for and allow you to use them in Smite 2, which they didn't have to do. And you don't even need to pay any money if you don't want to to play Smite 2. Why is Smite 2 the one getting all the shit here?
@@ADukesJustice thats about it tho, CoD, and FIFA still have some of the most sold copies every year they come out, and still have an extreme amount of money spent on their microtransactions when people know they will be obsolete in a year. People were pissed and still are pissed, but it doesn't change their spending habits and the community for the games are so big it doesn't matter.
@@ADukesJustice Warzone 1 was made unplayable and ran on a different game engine which a lot of people enjoyed more. These are two completely different things. Despite that, the same people who cry about Warzone 2 not carrying over skins are willing to pay $70 a year for games they will hardly play just to unlock those weapons and attachments in Warzone 2. You don't need to make a single purchase to unlock every single character in Smite 2. Smite 1 will still be playable and receive updates.
Never was I so excited about a game than when I saw the announcement of Smite 2, I had chills which never happened before for a game, I've been playing Smite for years and I can't wait to play Smite 2 for years to come (Also love the channel, keep up the good vids)
Honestly, people are way too materialistic and pessimistic. Im excited for the game and already signed up for alpha. I played during smite beta and have played intermittently ever since. Having a better engine will make a leagues difference in gameplay and player experience. People just gotta be accepting to change instead of being scared and bad mouthing something they haven't experienced yet.
no ranked leaderboard and rewards for Arena players, 6 year outdated map, no tournaments, no conquest team que, no rewards for conquest, no old fun gamemdoes/assets in match of the day rotation... they are sleeping on 70% of their playerbase,... EU the biggest region, arena the most popular gmaemode,international, console players....
@@Dualities Arena is a for fun game mode. A ranked mode would defeat the purpose. People play arena because it is shorter + more casual. You need to get help if you are this delusional. Also they probably cut most of the things you mentioned due to lack of playerbase. Smite has been losing players for years now, Smite 2 is Hirez's attempt at reviving this incredible game
Bro how many skins do people have that they never use, the idea of basically getting a full refund for every skin is insane and they should feel blessed all those wasted older skins they don’t use anymore can be upgraded
This is a teachable moment to people to get their priorities straight, like I’m disappointed that the skin I bought won’t transfer, but I also realize that it’s not that responsible to spend money on a game, y’all should just be lucky that their nice enough to reimburse us on the money we spent
It is actually one of the phatest legacy player reward systems i think i have seen in a while. Some games give you a skin, others a dog tag (that doesn't even work). This game is giving you a 50% refund on your time invested with them! It's like almost too good to be true.
These people who are complaining about the skins not transferring don't understand the reason. They think they are getting screwed out of their time and money, I think the legacy system they are implementing is very generous, all things considered.
@@HarryBallsOnYa345 i agree, if I was hi-rez though, i would see this situation as a good thing. If the main complaint about your new title is that skins won’t transfer over, then that means people really couldn’t find anything to be mad about
@@chrismoungle2721it’s a shame too, because all that’s gonna happen is Smite 2 will go through an antithesis of the honeymoon phase most games go through, once the people malding over “lost” skins grow up, they’ll be back. Maybe they could try and keep some expensive skins, like T5’s but spreading the dev team to Smite, Smite 2, and remaking Smite 1 skins to Smite 2 would spread them too thin, and things would probably go to shit. All and all, it sucks, but we’re still getting a more than good deal for it, not only will our skins still exist in Smite, but we’ll get 50% gems on Smite 2 if you think about it we’re the ones “scamming” HiRez lol.
I've spent plenty, and I'm more than happy to lose it all for a game that has a future. I got the enjoyment from those purchases and am happy to see what they can do next. They're doing a lot for us considering the quality jump skins will probably have in SMITE 2.
Im looking forward to a fresh start personally with less gods and skins to make me get back to my routes and the compensation with legacy gems are more than generous
Unfortunately, like you said, the vocal minority have been incredibly loud. I've played since Dusa release, and I've been to multiple SWCs in person. I love this community, and I genuinely think this is a huge leap forward for the longevity of SMITE as a whole. UE3 will not last, and the fact they made it work for this long is a god damned miracle. The leap to UE5 is entirely necessary. Clean up the spaghetti code, bring the game into the modern engine, and I think, with time, it will grow again even bigger than before.
I think asmongolds point with saying that is it worth it to port over skins for such a small community is pointing out that smite 2 is an opportunity to branch out and bring new people to the game, so is it worth it to divert resources from making the game as amazing as possible for new players to port skins which wouldn't draw new players
People are also gonna look back and realize HiRez once again shat on the players (they're not new at this) and be hesitant to pay for things in/play the new game. Basically it's only supporters losing things, people that just played free don't care. That's whatever, but it's gonna stop a lot of people for investing in a reskin for a second time.
no such thing as bad publicity! it would be cool if high rez reached out to Asmon for a play test, any game or video he plays always gains attention. Also he is super chill and loves to help smaller games and creators.
Here's the thing when you buy skins in games you're not really buying something to have you're supporting the game so it can continue to grow and produce content. It is true that you will lose it eventually but the game will go on longer as long as it has support. I completely understand the frustration and anger. It really can be seen as just double-dipping into pockets of players but its not really. I do think they might port those skins over eventually depending on how long the game goes on. Honestly I think they way that they are handling the transition is actually pretty generous considering, if they really wanted to double-dip they wouldn't have anything brought over. Also one thing people forget is that Smite 1 isn't immediately going off-line as soon as Smite 2 launch. I'm sure that it won't be supported/updated as much and probably nothing new will be added but its not going to be forcing people to upgrade. I know that there will be clock on Smite 1. One thing I hope is the legacy stuff isn't just at the start of Smite 2. I don't have a system or PC that can play Smite 2 so I won't be there at the start but if I get something in the future I hope I do get stuff from Smite 1.
Honestly, if the biggest gripe with the game is that they won't give us useless cosmetics in the new game but still partially refund us, I think we're doing pretty solid 👍
@@dan.m.8614 It actually sucks for us even more, because they could rather reinvest that money into the game itself, but ofc you have to appease the crybabies
OW2 didnt need to port anything because OW2 isn't a new game. It's the same game they lied to their playerbase about to sell a new game on the premise it would have a Single Player Campaign
But overwatch 2 is a free to play game. So not sure why you think they were selling a game to people. And as for the folks who spend money on skins, it's their choice to do so, doesn't change the game at all.
Incorrect. They sold OW2 on the premise that you were paying for the Single Player Campaign. I got a refund for that precise reason. Please do a little bit of research before commenting yea?@@Zathren
Overwatch skins are WAY less demanding due to the fact that they are incredibly simplistic. Smite skins are very complex in comparison. Overwatch skins usually have no new voice lines, visual effects or sound effects, usually just different looks. So in my eyes difficulties porting those skins in smite 2 makes so much sense compared to Overwatch.
It's almost like all these people complaining only care about skins and not even the actual game itself. I quote another comment : "Are they only playing for skins and not the base game?"
the thing about overwatch is that porting the skins didn't mean designing each skins effects because every single skin has the same effects that the normal skin and the graphics didn't change as massively as they are changing for smite
My personal take: Two Independent Games, Smite 1 will still be running for more years.. and I am pretty sure someone who bought a skin back in 2018 already had enough time to showcase it so I'd say they got their money worth. They will add some fan favorites but getting this entitled attitude and saying that they are scamming ppl lmao. Some ppl are just so braindead. If you want your skins so badly lmao then dont play smite 2 and period... you bought them for Smite 1. I would say they are being generous by giving the legacy gems lmao.
Yeah imagine thinking hirez is gonna remake 1500+skins put in hundreds of hours and money to give it all back for free😂 some people really lack a brain
hard agree in my honest opinion we as players made the choice to buy those skins in a game we all know would not last forever, and now a sequel to that game is coming out and we expect to have all that shit back is just the definition of braindead entitlement, the reality is when it comes to smite 2 hi-rez does not owe us sht, and yet we get the honestly overly generous offering of legacy gems which will in turn make hi-rez loose a fuck ton of money, smite 2 will be a great thing for this game and if people truly think it wont because they wont have their skins then they nvr truly cared for the game
One thing I haven't seen commented on is that how you got your skins makes a big difference. For example, if you got your skin from a direct purchase at 1,500 gems, then yes, you can repurchase the skin in the new game for 750. But if you got your skin from a lucky 400 gem chest roll, you may end up spending a LOT more to get that same skin in Smite 2 since you will either have to direct purchase for 750, or make perhaps many chest rolls to regain the same skin.
About the skin debate : In smite 1 we have so many shit skins, various recolors and lame T1 and T2 skins. My take on this = you can easily cut out 2/3 of all skins. Then maybe the devs should make a poll for 2-3 skins per god and the community votes. Then the argument of too much work is invalid in my opinion + open communication with fanbase + happy fans ( cuz they voted for their fav skins ) = everybody happy
ppl that want this fail to understand how long it would take to port over 1-3 skins PER god, they need recode everything and like they said in the keynote it would take a couple of months just to port 2 skins over.
@@MrsRedMink you don't seem to understand how long that would take. Ppl are just being selfish bc they don't want to lose there skins instead of shutting up and just enjoying the fact we are getting a upgrade to ue5
@@oneautumnleaf2622 If you have to release skins anyways just reuse old concepts instead of spending money on concept designers, but can't expect a smite player to get it
@@MrsRedMink spending money on concept designers.... Dude do you have any idea how game design works? They don't hire a new designer every skin there is a team of designers and they make skins every update ... Reuse old concepts? How about make new and unique skins instead of remakes?
Gonna parrot here what inter has said before, if smite 1 gets shutdown your skins are gone anyway. If anything this is probably the best way to handle it, Hi-Rez already said it'd take 200+ Man-years to do every skin as a port. What I hope they do is either poll or just look at purchase numbers of their popular skins. Like crossover, t5 and limited skins and prioritize those once they start getting the skin porting started.
To the point on "you put money into skins, what did you expect?" What I expect when I put money into a free game is for the devs to make the game better with the money I spent on the game. For me personally, that money isn't just "I want the skin" it has always been that I love this game and I want the devs to continue to make the game better. For a long time I can say with certainty that HiRez was not doing that. I can't tell you what they were doing with the money they were getting, but over the last 6-7 years it has not been into improving Smite, but for them to branch out into other games. Now of course that is a good thing for a game dev company. However, like stated in this video, their team is small and time spent on other games took away from improving Smite and I think that not great. I will say that the new port in Smite 2 for UE5 IS something I can say my money went to because it does look like they have put in a lot of work to make the game look much better. Im not sure how much better the gameplay will be and the new mechanics and changes to Gods they are making, but from what I see we are going into a positive direction. Oh and I'm going to say it, half the skins in the game are re-colors. I don't want Re-colors ported in. In fact I want them to implement the color option skins by default in Smite 2. Give us all the power to choose re-colors that we like, don't just port them all over.
This is what people don't get, they have focused on (stupidly expensive) skins for several years at the expense of not putting hardly anything into Smite. People buying SKINS are what kept them alive, yet are the only ones getting hurt with this move. Obviously they can't port every skin, but the more popular and expensive ones absolutely should get ported, and people who have literally kept the company afloat shouldn't be the ones getting owned.. HiRez has been scummy in the past so it's not like we should just trust them either, they'll probably find a way to resell the same stuff we already paid for.
@@hehawseve3560 Exactly my thoughts as well. I do feel like this HiRez IS trying their best to do right by the players. However, They have prioritized skins over gameplay in the past.
I personally think that they should take this as another chance to interact with the community. I say let's have a poll to vote for like the top skins for each god and transfer like the number one for each god or top 2. I think that would be pretty neat cause sure they may have a stat telling them which skin is used more, but maybe the community has a differing choice, from what stats say, as to which skin for a god out of all the ones each god has is the best one. That sounds like a fun community event and good compromise as well cause I have personal favs I really would want to see in Smite 2. Speaking from the perspective as someone who was upset when I heard they weren't going to transfer any skins, then finding out they would transfer a few. I was open to that idea it was the immediate thought I had . Obviously, if I can't have them all, then just let me have the best ones I like. I say that is the best compromise for both gamers and devs is to just do a select few of the "Greatest Hits" so to speak of skins. Also I think everone can agree that the T5 should be of the first that get brought over. But that's just me I love my T5 Ares
I wonder if like maybe every few months they could do a poll for every few months and the top 6 out the choices get picked are the skins they work on for the next skins to be redone, that way people feel they havea choice in the say and the designers know which skins to work on
I barely had any skins in smite so I really couldn't care. All I want is sexy Achilles since it was the only skin I GENUINELY purchased gems for, and it's literally shirtless Achilles in dress pants with a stripper pole animation. That's gotta be a week of work, hi-rez.
@@sushiroll3795 Smite 1 already looks good and crisp so its hard to improve with the same exact art style. Changes to environment lighting and character shading do not justify paying all over again. They are updating UE version but they clearly ported all the code and models from Smite 1 as a starting point. So it's really just Smite 1 version 2.0: buy everything again. A true sequel would come with innovations to gameplay and an evolution of the art style. I'm not given up on it but my reaction so far is that this looks like a big update to Smite 1 that they are marketing as a whole new game.
@@iyziejanefirst off, its free. you are not buying anything, skins are optional. secondly, they couldn't port anything over because of their modified version of UE3. everything is built from the ground up, the only thing that could be ported was probably base models with no textures or renders, because the engines use different meshes
Its like giving the egirl money and your mad she's not your girlfriend. Same thing, your giving your financial support for the product you like and then that's it. The relationship is over, she says thank you and you got your slice of serotonin and transaction ended.😊
Ok enough talk about the skins are they actually going to being clans back in Smite2? Like the clans were before they got removed where playing with clanmates would give you a currency to spend in the clan store and your tag showed up in the profile part of loading in not the list thing it is now
Bro people comparing Smite skins with CS2 skins are nuts.. They don't understand what skins are. Most skins in CS2 are just some .jpeg put o a weapon and based on the position you get the pattern while skins in Smite, have different mechanics and different types of auxiliary graphics attached to them.
comment for 5:00 ow is basically the same game, so if, they had to do minor adjustments to skins, not completely port to a new engine 2 gens younger. it's basically like "do I build a house and prep/paint the walls" vs "I just have to repaint the walls in the living room" sorta thing
Yes the Smite community now is small but that is the active community which is a HUGE minority. I for one have played Smite since 2014 on and off and I feel like its peak was from 2014-2016/17. A HUGE amount of players that were playing those seasons have attachments (skins/items) to the game and return every now and then. Way more than the active average of 12k. Most of these players will stop ever returning to the game after Smite 2 launch.
With the exceptionally large number of skins it makes sense that shit is impossible. But smite probably has statistics to know which skins are most popularly used. I would be making skins based on that list. Neith has like a hundred skins, not all of them need to be ported, but the top two or three would really quell peoples rage. Well they said this at the end of the video, so dope.
They honestly should just transfer 1 skin for each character as a "legacy skin" so people feel better about legacy gems and to get themselves out of the backlash. So the players can be happy without delaying the game by a ton.
The real issue is that many SMITE players don't see the need for a sequel that's largely the same as the current game, minus the skins. It just seems like all it will do is remove existing content (the skins) and split an already-smaller player base in half, between two different games.
A big thing is most the gods won’t be in smite 2 so it’s not like you’re going to get all your skins anyways since it’ll be starting with a small god pool
I personally simply see it as a binding vow, exchanging the old skins for a newer better game... And I still get to spend a shitload of legacy gems on new swag. Then again I've been thru this before so I guess I don't mind it as much.
it's obvious they cant port all skins. but i think what you pay for with skins, is you pay for playtime. For that reason, i think they should still port over year 10 skins. They've had the lowest playtime, and we had smite 2 dropped on it without much warning. There are skins i bought like 2 days before smite 2 got announced, to now know that they're obsolete? I feel like just expanding to year 10 would make it a lot better. maybe not the SPL skins from the most recent battlepass, since those teams may not even continue to exist in smite 2, but it would just help feel any purchases for more recent skins feel more valued.
Haven't played Smite in years. Skins were never a reason for me to come back so I would've "lost" them anyway. I'm glad there's finally something that makes me excited to want to try it out again.
When I buy a skins in any game I know that I’m not going to have it forever. It’s why I stopped playing 2k Myteam. Games like that don’t even at least carry over currency.
i have 600 skins and i've been playing since season 3 and couldn't care less. i got currently 7 years out of them. and will get at least 2 more years out of them, i didn't expect to get any refund so i'm elated to have a 50%. also overwatch is on its own engine and they just upgraded it, they didn't port them.
To be fair, if this would still run on UE3 i would get the hate, but in UE5 even the standard skin looks fantastic, in Smite 1 i only play gods if i have a skin for them, (Thanatos is the only exeption).
> in smite 1 I only play a God if I have a skin for them What a dumb thing to say when there are so many phenomenal base models/ character designs in the game like Jorm or Tiamat, and even older models like Thanatos (you mentioned), Xing, Zeus, etc.
@@Jormyyy yesss, how dare i play the game in a way i want, and apparently character designs are now objectiv and not subjectiv since when someone likes it everyone has to like it, i see. But i wouldn't expect any less from a broke casual who can't afford skins and has to justify why xd
@restarting9213 its just dumb af sounding. Like why did you not have an interest in how the character looks or more importantly PLAYS until they got a fancy costume to use on them? And homie I can guarantee I am not a "broke casual", I've likely been playing the game as long as you (possibly even longer) and I have spent my fair amount of cash on gems for this game. However I'm not a shallow prude who only cares to play for character if they have a skin to show off when playing them, like yourself. I play characters because I like them for who they are; visual appearance, lore, and gameplay. My enjoyment for smite and its art design of characters is far deeper than yours will ever be. Toodles ❤️
@@Jormyyy because i played this game since BETA, and ofc ill play new releases but having all gods diamond and on many multiple stars i cannot stand to see the default model anymore. If it wasn't for skins i wouldn't be playing this game anymore, thats why im happy that the game i play the most is gonna be on UE5 with many changes
It really just depends, if u view smite 2 as a new game then most probably see little issue with it but if u think its just a patch/update then it can be seen as an issue. These other examples like Overwatch was a full price game that went free to play. Like these aren't that similar for comparison. I don't think most are expecting all there money back like Paragon did a few years back. I'm sure a lot of people came from that game to Smite but maybe people expect that when a game or server shuts down.
I will definitely play smite 2 but it taught me a valuable lesson about skins I probably won't buy skin again no even that I spent a ton of money but I'm not buying skins again
I think legacy gen’s are honestly pretty generous hearing how it works. I’m thrilled for smite 2. I think we all feel the same about skins and gods, and how much it sucks, but I think this is a huge step in the right direction. And it’s a bullet we were going to have to bite eventually. Great points on live service games. It won’t last forever and smite 2 is the best possible option imo. Smite 1 did look cheap most of the time, skins and graphics only improved in the last 4-5 years. Smite 2 will look sick.
I'm honestly happy skins will be "rebooted" because there's a few I don't care to play anymore so it will be nice to use gems for new stuff. Also, it's all half priced, I really don't know what is to freak about here if the gem amount to buy stuff in Smite 2 is balanced with Smite 1.
Over the course of about 7 years, i've spend about 50€ on Smite in total. I never understood all the hype around cosmetics at all. I know many people do, spending 100s, if not 1000s of bucks on them. And hey, i'm not gonna judge. It's your money and you do with it what you want but personally i really couldn't care less about how my character looks in game. Like it's cool to see the artwork in the loading screen and the start of the game before stuff happens, especially when you have a cool voice pack but once you actually play the game, i don't even notice what skin i'm using. Sometimes i even find it annoying when animations and/or sounds are radically different from the base skin, especially when i play against those skins. Can get confusing as hell. So, needless to say i'm not gonna cry one bit after my skins when going into Smite 2.
TBH, I'd probably leave smite if they shut down 1 immediately. I don't want to be shoved into Conquest-only with few gods, no skins, etc. I don't play smite for the graphics.
What I think would be a good idea smite 2 will have a 50 god roster port over 1 skin for each god find out which skins are the fan favorite for each god and port 1 for each over and as new gods are added port over a new skins that's only 50 skins that need to be ported over and then 1 skin at a time
My personal issue is that the gems don't transfer over 100%. Perhaps that's a lot to ask. But I'd rather it be that I can use 100% legacy gems, but not all the gems from Smite 1 transfer. Having to get more gems in smite 2 is really annoying. But anyway, it's not that big a deal. I just want the game to be better.
Tbh the only thing i would like to see are the tier 5 skins, as their price are so high and there is only a hand few to port over. Just knowing theyll eventually add them is already fine, not having them at launch is totally understandable just seeing them someday in the game would be awesome
Lol yeah, the fact that Asmon has a huge audience is exactly why I made the reddit post at the start. So happy to see he reacted to the video I linked.
21:40 There's the the bit about storage here too. Many games now are already reaching 100gb quite easily, imagine having all these assets carried over and over - bruhh how I am going to even have space for these games when practically now 1tb = 9/10 games of storage max.
I remember a game called Evolve, I loved the game and spent a lot of money on it. It was not a free to play game, I paid $60 on the game and $60 on DLC for the game, and then they shut down the servers, making it unplayable. The same could be done to smite, but it's not. They are updating it, making it better, and are focused on the game, not the skins.
Been playing Smite since 2017 and have tons of rare and exclusive skins including many T5’s. I have and will continue to think of buying skins merely as supporting the FREE game that I’ve been playing for years. It helps support the game that I like playing, period.
the minute they even thought they were gonna make a smite 2 they should have notified people to know smite 1 may be coming to an end.. people who bought skins literally weeks before announcement got screwed.
If he wasn’t a millionaire then yeah probably. I’d say most would be happy with how well he’s doing, I’d be happy if my son made millions doing a job he loved lol
Correct me if im wrong, but looking back at other MOBA's, there hasn't been a new released sequel title for an engine update before to my knowledge (with the exception of DOTA moving from being a mod for WoW to a standalone game). Years ago Dota 2 had the reborn update which was an engine update, it was a free update, and we kept our skins. The circumstances might be different, but it's not a great look when you compare how other companies have handled engine updates compared to Hi-rez. As someone who has put over 2000 hours into smite and over $1000, I am rather irritated. That said, it doesn't mean I won't play smite 2. I just won't be putting money into it beyond the God pack going forward.
they should have the option to disable all custom cosmetics so that people dont have to look at them. especially as someone who hasn't played the game in 5 years and get confused with all the new gods / skins
Also I figured they'd leave smite 1 up until they ported every single old god over to smite 2, they said they'd leave smite 1 up so you can still play your favorite gods, and that'll take a year or two, so I figured by then most everyone would have transferred to smite 2 and they would announce smite 1 shutting down.
It's not just skin ports for me, it's time spent getting every God to diamond. 1600 skins, plus however many wards, avatars, etc. But I'm willing to give smite 2 a chance. Hopefully cupid will no longer look like a coloring book.
Its a free game lol, I've played for about 5 years now and never spent a dime on the game, skins are literally just aesthetics. Maybe this should be a wake up call that spending thousands of dollars on skins in a video game is a waste of money.
I was there when Paragon died. I got my refund and I switched to SMITE. I feel zero amounts of anger at getting a sequel rather than the game I loved getting murdered for money. Paragon's death was greed, SMITE 2 is progress. I'm stoked.
@@Yuvalile88 I was excited for Fortnite from when it was first announced in 2012 or whenever in an issue of game informer and I kept track of it when it seemed to be in development hell. I will never get over it, I paid real money for fortnite promotional items in Paragon to show my support of it. If it wasn't for Battle Royale the game would've died. Damn I'm mad.
My only issue is, they really should remaster all the tier 5 skins (that we pay 100+$ for.) To smite 2. Thats my only greivance. And even then, thats fairly minor because they are going to give me well over 100k smite 2 legacy gems.
My only problem with the smite 2 system is that when I load into the game and my legacy gems are given to me I'm going to be so depressed by how many of them I have...I spent way too much on this game over the years
I'm really excited for smite 2, but I really hope that smite 1 keeps running after it's release for as long as possible. It's always really disheartening when older game servers go down and you can't play them at all anymore and it's led to a lot of lost media over the years. It would be nice if defunct games, or even games where the developers are planning to move to the next generation, made their server software available for people to run themselves in order to enjoy their older works.
Ive been apart of smite since the first odyssey... With that comes a lot of skin buying and while yes, it sucks some of my favorite skins most likely wont make it to smite 2, hi rez has never really done me wrong so im willing to have faith that while yes, i wont have my skins, il gain something mych better in the form of a remade game that i love that will hopefully be around for just as many years as prior
we dont know skin cost, it could 1200 gem skins, yes we get 50 percent off which puts at 600 but for new player 1200 is way to much for new players to pay it
I completely agree. I have played smite since 2013 to even now. Smite 2 needed to happen. Of course I agree I am mad the skins in smite aren’t being ported over to smite 2. I have probably over 300-340 skins in smite which isn’t a lot compared to the 1300+ skins in the game but of those 300 I have I can tell you I spent probably less then $300 dollars on 30% of those and 70% is from the daily rewards gems and chests that you unlock from the free battle pass versions or in just playing a match. Yes I am pissed i agree but the compromise hirez is giving in return for those skins I own in understandable and heck of all those top tier skins I own I always use the classic ones more than any other skin.
as succinct as possible I am a game developer, unreal engine has tools for porting assets from one version of the engine to the other however that doesn't change the visual fidelity of the skin. what they haven;t explained is the person hours it would take isn't for porting the skins but making them fit with other skins. it is NOT a good use of time to update those skins to be as good as the visuals in smite 2 they just wouldn't fit and making them fit is more work than making new skins that fit. i agree want hi res i went a better game experience
People don't understand development work and the difference between UE3 and UE5, and people don't understand the point of view from the business and financial side. People make false equivalences to others games, when those games run on a different engine and the engine is not 2 generations old. It should be obvious that UE3 is VERY DIFFERENT from UE5 and thus transferring skins over is extremely difficult. That is why they forego that option. All 1,600 skins would need to start from scratch: coded, designed, fx, voiced, programed, all in UE5. There is no port option, no copy/paste, no easy transfer. Everything needs to be from scratch. How many times does it have to be repeated? The work is not easy. Games like Overwatch can transfer skins because OW 1 and 2 is the SAME engine and therefore easier to complete. From business and financial point of view, where can they make profit if Legacy Gems were a 100% off coupon? A $70 price tag, lots of paid DLC, and no God Pack instead each God costing real-life-money instead of favour or gems would be one alternative to ensuring profits. So which would you prefer? Smite 2 is not a volunteer free development game.
yeah people that dont know anything about game dev think that since they are the same engine, that they work the same way. hirez is lucky they got to stretch U3 as much as they did because games cant even been made in U3 anymore.
I have 1216 skins. Don't plan on using 70% of them from looking outdated and newer better ones come out. The fact that they wanna give us gems to make skins 50% off is a LOSS for the company. Be happy they even did that!
I'm definitely bummed about some of my skins not transferring over (i.e. Korra Skadi) but I'd rather they do this than the game just shutting down, which is what will happen in the near future if they don't update it and attract new players. I've been playing on and off since the alpha 10 years ago and I feel like this compromise is very fair - can't think a better way for them to accomplish their goal of making Smite 2 while not shafting their supporter base.
The only real thing I don't like is the legacy gems how you can't just use them fully to buy skins seeing they said you can't use them to buy every skin. It's not a major issue because I'm surprised they're even doing it but it's more just how I've spent 5k easy on gems and I want to feel validated
You can use them to fully buy old skins. And to pay for half of new skins. Which makes sense since its new skins. Some skins wont have a discount at all due to them mostly being crossovers and having a cpntract, like the vtuber skins
It is normal to not be able to transfer all skins but what about gods, i was playing since closed beta and bought every god with gold. Do i get all gods except new ones, or no. If not it would be a shame and it discourages people who did not put hundreds of dollars into game, but they played for ages and earned them.
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I feel like a lot of people are also missing what Hi-Rez's priorities should be for Smite 2. Their first priorities for Smite 2 seem to be, adding all the gods, improving gameplay, and improving matchmaking, which should take priority over adding every cosmetic.
Louder for the people in the back!
no ranked leaderboard and rewards for Arena players, 6 year outdated map, no tournaments, no conquest team que, no rewards for conquest, no old fun gamemdoes/assets in match of the day rotation... they are sleeping on 70% of their playerbase,... EU the biggest region, arena the most popular gmaemode,international, console players....
@@DualitiesBro... ITS IN ALPHA
im talking about smite 1 bro. if they wont fix these issues smite 2 wont do much better@@ceandrejefferies5505
@@Dualitiesdelusional
I'm gonna say it: the fact that the biggest "bad thing" people talk about when discussing smite 2 is "skin ports" is proof that they've done things right. We could have had controversies about gameplay, about prices, about removing content or platforms, but we've got none of that. That's a sequel done right imo, at least as far as announcements go
Edit: dang people are salty
I agree
Exactly. I want a polished game. Not just skins.
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That's only because "there's no game", nobody played it yet, if the game launches and there's tons of bugs and problems, these will just get added to the pile of complaints that already exists.
Some people are way too optimistic about this game, just because it's a new engine, UE 5 is "brand new", no one knows how to use it to it's full potential.
I hope i'm wrong, but it's Hi-Rez we are talking about, i'm just not going to have any expectations.
@@brandonuzumaki Nobody played it xd, fineokay, weaken and anothers smite youtubers already played, and they upload the video its not the best quality video but you can see a lot of the new things. and the ppl still complaining about skins and not about the gameplay or the things we can see in this yt videos
You should've reacted to weaken reacting to this for optimal reacting
lmao
Better yet get 8 other reactions and overlay them so you can't even see the video
@@Inters3ct there is it, I've peaked. Big streamer noticed me
you shouldve reacted to weak3n, Haddix, and Fineo reacting to asmon reacting to this for peak reaction@@Inters3ct
Inter would hands down mention 667 in some form if that was the case
I dont mind losing all my skins (beta player with multiple t5s) as long as smite keeps going.
Bad thing is this divide on such a small community could kill both…
same man
Small? Smite isn't as popular as say call of duty but I wouldn't say it has a small community@@pertle1130
Yes, I pay more attention to the gameplay.
@@pertle1130 definitely not. This implies 2 things, first being that a considerable portion of people will choose to stick with Smite 1 over Smite 2. The fact is the vast majority of people, particularly pros and streamers which drive a large portion of the community, will switch over to Smite 2. Any hold outs will also switch over once Smite 1 is effectively dead. Secondly, it implies that the sequel wont expand the community. Seems probable that a large number of new players will start playing Smite 2, so even if a lot of old fans did stop playing, I think Smite 2 still has a really good outlook.
I would also like to point out that hirez has confirmed they're giving you the voice packs for gods for free when you get the god. If you own every voicepack in smite 1, thats 19,500 if you got them from the voice pack chest, or 26,000 if you direct purchased them. You're getting those gems back and the Voice Packs.
True didnt think of that. Although, to be fair, most people dont spend gems on voice packs. Ive got all from chests and such
I struggle to understand the anger, but relate to the disappointment regarding the skins.
All Smite is doing, is what the likes of COD and FIFA have been doing for years, but to an actual effect.
Whilst COD and FIFA do it yearly, throwing away any customization or progression you made, all for the sake of paying $80 to play the same game and do it again.
Smite 1 advances 2 generations forward to UE5 with extreme mechanical and engine upgrades that benefits both the community and the developers massively after almost 13 years.
They compensate players by giving them their Gems back, including those they didn't pay for and allow you to use them in Smite 2, which they didn't have to do. And you don't even need to pay any money if you don't want to to play Smite 2.
Why is Smite 2 the one getting all the shit here?
great observation, great comment
Those other games did get shit for it. People were pissed when Warzone 1 ended and didn't carry over purchases to Warzone 2
@@ADukesJustice thats about it tho, CoD, and FIFA still have some of the most sold copies every year they come out, and still have an extreme amount of money spent on their microtransactions when people know they will be obsolete in a year. People were pissed and still are pissed, but it doesn't change their spending habits and the community for the games are so big it doesn't matter.
@@ADukesJustice Warzone 1 was made unplayable and ran on a different game engine which a lot of people enjoyed more. These are two completely different things. Despite that, the same people who cry about Warzone 2 not carrying over skins are willing to pay $70 a year for games they will hardly play just to unlock those weapons and attachments in Warzone 2. You don't need to make a single purchase to unlock every single character in Smite 2. Smite 1 will still be playable and receive updates.
Great comment, and not to mention, you don't have to spend any money even if you DO want to play Smite 2! Its a free game! Nobody NEEDS skins!
Never was I so excited about a game than when I saw the announcement of Smite 2, I had chills which never happened before for a game, I've been playing Smite for years and I can't wait to play Smite 2 for years to come (Also love the channel, keep up the good vids)
i had the same reaction and then i saw the hate and was super confused. my brain has been consumed by smite 2 and its only positive thoughts
when was the last time you stepped on a scale
@@artherman9768 idk when was the last time you felt content
All we need now is solodoublej reacting to Inters3ct reacting to weaken reacting to asmongold reacting to this video for maximum reaction capacity
The only issue I have with the legacy gem system is, that it will expose me as the huge (metaphorical) marine mammal that I am.
Honestly, people are way too materialistic and pessimistic. Im excited for the game and already signed up for alpha. I played during smite beta and have played intermittently ever since. Having a better engine will make a leagues difference in gameplay and player experience. People just gotta be accepting to change instead of being scared and bad mouthing something they haven't experienced yet.
no ranked leaderboard and rewards for Arena players, 6 year outdated map, no tournaments, no conquest team que, no rewards for conquest, no old fun gamemdoes/assets in match of the day rotation... they are sleeping on 70% of their playerbase,... EU the biggest region, arena the most popular gmaemode,international, console players....
@Dualities you talking about Smite 2? The game that hasn't even entered into its alpha stage yet?
smite 1 feel more complete 7 years ago then it does today. still one of the most divided community and waste potential@@Fluid-combo
@@Dualities Arena is a for fun game mode. A ranked mode would defeat the purpose. People play arena because it is shorter + more casual. You need to get help if you are this delusional. Also they probably cut most of the things you mentioned due to lack of playerbase. Smite has been losing players for years now, Smite 2 is Hirez's attempt at reviving this incredible game
@@potatothings7223 u wont last 10 minutes against any good EU Arena team kiddo
Bro how many skins do people have that they never use, the idea of basically getting a full refund for every skin is insane and they should feel blessed all those wasted older skins they don’t use anymore can be upgraded
I play assault and use different skins I literally only buy skins for assault
This is a teachable moment to people to get their priorities straight, like I’m disappointed that the skin I bought won’t transfer, but I also realize that it’s not that responsible to spend money on a game, y’all should just be lucky that their nice enough to reimburse us on the money we spent
It is actually one of the phatest legacy player reward systems i think i have seen in a while. Some games give you a skin, others a dog tag (that doesn't even work). This game is giving you a 50% refund on your time invested with them! It's like almost too good to be true.
These people who are complaining about the skins not transferring don't understand the reason. They think they are getting screwed out of their time and money, I think the legacy system they are implementing is very generous, all things considered.
@@HarryBallsOnYa345 i agree, if I was hi-rez though, i would see this situation as a good thing. If the main complaint about your new title is that skins won’t transfer over, then that means people really couldn’t find anything to be mad about
@@chrismoungle2721it’s a shame too, because all that’s gonna happen is Smite 2 will go through an antithesis of the honeymoon phase most games go through, once the people malding over “lost” skins grow up, they’ll be back.
Maybe they could try and keep some expensive skins, like T5’s but spreading the dev team to Smite, Smite 2, and remaking Smite 1 skins to Smite 2 would spread them too thin, and things would probably go to shit.
All and all, it sucks, but we’re still getting a more than good deal for it, not only will our skins still exist in Smite, but we’ll get 50% gems on Smite 2 if you think about it we’re the ones “scamming” HiRez lol.
There’s nothing wrong with spending money on something you spend a lot of time on and enjoy
I've spent plenty, and I'm more than happy to lose it all for a game that has a future. I got the enjoyment from those purchases and am happy to see what they can do next. They're doing a lot for us considering the quality jump skins will probably have in SMITE 2.
Im looking forward to a fresh start personally with less gods and skins to make me get back to my routes and the compensation with legacy gems are more than generous
How you gonna hate something that hasn’t came out yet
Unfortunately, like you said, the vocal minority have been incredibly loud. I've played since Dusa release, and I've been to multiple SWCs in person. I love this community, and I genuinely think this is a huge leap forward for the longevity of SMITE as a whole. UE3 will not last, and the fact they made it work for this long is a god damned miracle. The leap to UE5 is entirely necessary. Clean up the spaghetti code, bring the game into the modern engine, and I think, with time, it will grow again even bigger than before.
I think asmongolds point with saying that is it worth it to port over skins for such a small community is pointing out that smite 2 is an opportunity to branch out and bring new people to the game, so is it worth it to divert resources from making the game as amazing as possible for new players to port skins which wouldn't draw new players
People are also gonna look back and realize HiRez once again shat on the players (they're not new at this) and be hesitant to pay for things in/play the new game. Basically it's only supporters losing things, people that just played free don't care. That's whatever, but it's gonna stop a lot of people for investing in a reskin for a second time.
@@hehawseve3560 remember when they literally tried stealing from punkduck? or diverting all resources over to their other failed game?
no such thing as bad publicity! it would be cool if high rez reached out to Asmon for a play test, any game or video he plays always gains attention. Also he is super chill and loves to help smaller games and creators.
Asmon is busy shooting pokemons in palworld though😂
Here's the thing when you buy skins in games you're not really buying something to have you're supporting the game so it can continue to grow and produce content. It is true that you will lose it eventually but the game will go on longer as long as it has support. I completely understand the frustration and anger. It really can be seen as just double-dipping into pockets of players but its not really. I do think they might port those skins over eventually depending on how long the game goes on. Honestly I think they way that they are handling the transition is actually pretty generous considering, if they really wanted to double-dip they wouldn't have anything brought over. Also one thing people forget is that Smite 1 isn't immediately going off-line as soon as Smite 2 launch. I'm sure that it won't be supported/updated as much and probably nothing new will be added but its not going to be forcing people to upgrade. I know that there will be clock on Smite 1. One thing I hope is the legacy stuff isn't just at the start of Smite 2. I don't have a system or PC that can play Smite 2 so I won't be there at the start but if I get something in the future I hope I do get stuff from Smite 1.
Honestly, if the biggest gripe with the game is that they won't give us useless cosmetics in the new game but still partially refund us, I think we're doing pretty solid 👍
And Hi Rez should definetely not be refunding a single penny lmao so they are being super generous, that will only make them lose a sht ton of money
@@dan.m.8614 It actually sucks for us even more, because they could rather reinvest that money into the game itself, but ofc you have to appease the crybabies
Also, this is unrelated, but Asmongold's number of open tabs made my eyeball twitch.
OW2 didnt need to port anything because OW2 isn't a new game. It's the same game they lied to their playerbase about to sell a new game on the premise it would have a Single Player Campaign
But overwatch 2 is a free to play game. So not sure why you think they were selling a game to people. And as for the folks who spend money on skins, it's their choice to do so, doesn't change the game at all.
Incorrect. They sold OW2 on the premise that you were paying for the Single Player Campaign. I got a refund for that precise reason. Please do a little bit of research before commenting yea?@@Zathren
@Zathren u do realize ow2 wasn't free to play at first yes same with destiny 2
I feel like I'm just getting a second chance at my impulse decisions I now regret.
Overwatch skins are WAY less demanding due to the fact that they are incredibly simplistic. Smite skins are very complex in comparison. Overwatch skins usually have no new voice lines, visual effects or sound effects, usually just different looks. So in my eyes difficulties porting those skins in smite 2 makes so much sense compared to Overwatch.
It's almost like all these people complaining only care about skins and not even the actual game itself. I quote another comment : "Are they only playing for skins and not the base game?"
the thing about overwatch is that porting the skins didn't mean designing each skins effects because every single skin has the same effects that the normal skin and the graphics didn't change as massively as they are changing for smite
Bro idc about my skins just give me smite 2 Lmfao
Yeah me 2 😂
My personal take: Two Independent Games, Smite 1 will still be running for more years.. and I am pretty sure someone who bought a skin back in 2018 already had enough time to showcase it so I'd say they got their money worth. They will add some fan favorites but getting this entitled attitude and saying that they are scamming ppl lmao. Some ppl are just so braindead. If you want your skins so badly lmao then dont play smite 2 and period... you bought them for Smite 1. I would say they are being generous by giving the legacy gems lmao.
Yeah imagine thinking hirez is gonna remake 1500+skins put in hundreds of hours and money to give it all back for free😂 some people really lack a brain
So true
hard agree in my honest opinion we as players made the choice to buy those skins in a game we all know would not last forever, and now a sequel to that game is coming out and we expect to have all that shit back is just the definition of braindead entitlement, the reality is when it comes to smite 2 hi-rez does not owe us sht, and yet we get the honestly overly generous offering of legacy gems which will in turn make hi-rez loose a fuck ton of money, smite 2 will be a great thing for this game and if people truly think it wont because they wont have their skins then they nvr truly cared for the game
I agree, all I ask for are the tier 5 skins, that's all. All the rest can get deleted for all I care
One thing I haven't seen commented on is that how you got your skins makes a big difference. For example, if you got your skin from a direct purchase at 1,500 gems, then yes, you can repurchase the skin in the new game for 750. But if you got your skin from a lucky 400 gem chest roll, you may end up spending a LOT more to get that same skin in Smite 2 since you will either have to direct purchase for 750, or make perhaps many chest rolls to regain the same skin.
About the skin debate :
In smite 1 we have so many shit skins, various recolors and lame T1 and T2 skins.
My take on this = you can easily cut out 2/3 of all skins. Then maybe the devs should make a poll for 2-3 skins per god and the community votes.
Then the argument of too much work is invalid in my opinion + open communication with fanbase
+ happy fans ( cuz they voted for their fav skins )
= everybody happy
ppl that want this fail to understand how long it would take to port over 1-3 skins PER god, they need recode everything and like they said in the keynote it would take a couple of months just to port 2 skins over.
@@oneautumnleaf2622 they need to make skins anyways so just port the old ones
@@MrsRedMink you don't seem to understand how long that would take. Ppl are just being selfish bc they don't want to lose there skins instead of shutting up and just enjoying the fact we are getting a upgrade to ue5
@@oneautumnleaf2622 If you have to release skins anyways just reuse old concepts instead of spending money on concept designers, but can't expect a smite player to get it
@@MrsRedMink spending money on concept designers.... Dude do you have any idea how game design works? They don't hire a new designer every skin there is a team of designers and they make skins every update ...
Reuse old concepts?
How about make new and unique skins instead of remakes?
Gonna parrot here what inter has said before, if smite 1 gets shutdown your skins are gone anyway. If anything this is probably the best way to handle it, Hi-Rez already said it'd take 200+ Man-years to do every skin as a port. What I hope they do is either poll or just look at purchase numbers of their popular skins. Like crossover, t5 and limited skins and prioritize those once they start getting the skin porting started.
I put my pants on, and we’re one day closer to Smite 2. It’s a good day.
To the point on "you put money into skins, what did you expect?" What I expect when I put money into a free game is for the devs to make the game better with the money I spent on the game. For me personally, that money isn't just "I want the skin" it has always been that I love this game and I want the devs to continue to make the game better. For a long time I can say with certainty that HiRez was not doing that. I can't tell you what they were doing with the money they were getting, but over the last 6-7 years it has not been into improving Smite, but for them to branch out into other games. Now of course that is a good thing for a game dev company. However, like stated in this video, their team is small and time spent on other games took away from improving Smite and I think that not great.
I will say that the new port in Smite 2 for UE5 IS something I can say my money went to because it does look like they have put in a lot of work to make the game look much better. Im not sure how much better the gameplay will be and the new mechanics and changes to Gods they are making, but from what I see we are going into a positive direction.
Oh and I'm going to say it, half the skins in the game are re-colors. I don't want Re-colors ported in. In fact I want them to implement the color option skins by default in Smite 2. Give us all the power to choose re-colors that we like, don't just port them all over.
This is what people don't get, they have focused on (stupidly expensive) skins for several years at the expense of not putting hardly anything into Smite. People buying SKINS are what kept them alive, yet are the only ones getting hurt with this move. Obviously they can't port every skin, but the more popular and expensive ones absolutely should get ported, and people who have literally kept the company afloat shouldn't be the ones getting owned.. HiRez has been scummy in the past so it's not like we should just trust them either, they'll probably find a way to resell the same stuff we already paid for.
@@hehawseve3560 Exactly my thoughts as well. I do feel like this HiRez IS trying their best to do right by the players. However, They have prioritized skins over gameplay in the past.
My only problem is tier 5s not coming over its just 10 skins
Also they realsed a new one while devs were doing smite 2 👿😊
I personally think that they should take this as another chance to interact with the community. I say let's have a poll to vote for like the top skins for each god and transfer like the number one for each god or top 2. I think that would be pretty neat cause sure they may have a stat telling them which skin is used more, but maybe the community has a differing choice, from what stats say, as to which skin for a god out of all the ones each god has is the best one. That sounds like a fun community event and good compromise as well cause I have personal favs I really would want to see in Smite 2. Speaking from the perspective as someone who was upset when I heard they weren't going to transfer any skins, then finding out they would transfer a few. I was open to that idea it was the immediate thought I had . Obviously, if I can't have them all, then just let me have the best ones I like. I say that is the best compromise for both gamers and devs is to just do a select few of the "Greatest Hits" so to speak of skins. Also I think everone can agree that the T5 should be of the first that get brought over. But that's just me I love my T5 Ares
I wonder if like maybe every few months they could do a poll for every few months and the top 6 out the choices get picked are the skins they work on for the next skins to be redone, that way people feel they havea choice in the say and the designers know which skins to work on
I barely had any skins in smite so I really couldn't care. All I want is sexy Achilles since it was the only skin I GENUINELY purchased gems for, and it's literally shirtless Achilles in dress pants with a stripper pole animation. That's gotta be a week of work, hi-rez.
yeah they worked hard on that pole dance 🤩
Imagine people bithing about gears 4 not transfering the skins you had in gears 3. Its literally a different game. Not an update.
Smite 2 looks like the same game with a minor graphical update though.
@@iyziejane Moving from UE3 to UE5 is not "minor."
"Minor", bro your bait is weak @@iyziejane
@@sushiroll3795 Smite 1 already looks good and crisp so its hard to improve with the same exact art style. Changes to environment lighting and character shading do not justify paying all over again.
They are updating UE version but they clearly ported all the code and models from Smite 1 as a starting point. So it's really just Smite 1 version 2.0: buy everything again. A true sequel would come with innovations to gameplay and an evolution of the art style. I'm not given up on it but my reaction so far is that this looks like a big update to Smite 1 that they are marketing as a whole new game.
@@iyziejanefirst off, its free. you are not buying anything, skins are optional.
secondly, they couldn't port anything over because of their modified version of UE3. everything is built from the ground up, the only thing that could be ported was probably base models with no textures or renders, because the engines use different meshes
I mean the tier 5's should be ported up tbh especially the older ones
Its like giving the egirl money and your mad she's not your girlfriend. Same thing, your giving your financial support for the product you like and then that's it. The relationship is over, she says thank you and you got your slice of serotonin and transaction ended.😊
Ok enough talk about the skins are they actually going to being clans back in Smite2? Like the clans were before they got removed where playing with clanmates would give you a currency to spend in the clan store and your tag showed up in the profile part of loading in not the list thing it is now
Bro people comparing Smite skins with CS2 skins are nuts.. They don't understand what skins are. Most skins in CS2 are just some .jpeg put o a weapon and based on the position you get the pattern while skins in Smite, have different mechanics and different types of auxiliary graphics attached to them.
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ow is basically the same game, so if, they had to do minor adjustments to skins, not completely port to a new engine 2 gens younger. it's basically like "do I build a house and prep/paint the walls" vs "I just have to repaint the walls in the living room" sorta thing
PlayStation account transfer players when they hear everybody is losing their skins: “First time?”
Yes the Smite community now is small but that is the active community which is a HUGE minority. I for one have played Smite since 2014 on and off and I feel like its peak was from 2014-2016/17. A HUGE amount of players that were playing those seasons have attachments (skins/items) to the game and return every now and then. Way more than the active average of 12k. Most of these players will stop ever returning to the game after Smite 2 launch.
Watching this video because i hate getting "asmondgold clips" constantly recommended to me.
With the exceptionally large number of skins it makes sense that shit is impossible. But smite probably has statistics to know which skins are most popularly used. I would be making skins based on that list. Neith has like a hundred skins, not all of them need to be ported, but the top two or three would really quell peoples rage.
Well they said this at the end of the video, so dope.
They should run an aggressive advertising campaign. Additionally, they need to make price adjustments for the MENA region.
They honestly should just transfer 1 skin for each character as a "legacy skin" so people feel better about legacy gems and to get themselves out of the backlash. So the players can be happy without delaying the game by a ton.
The real issue is that many SMITE players don't see the need for a sequel that's largely the same as the current game, minus the skins. It just seems like all it will do is remove existing content (the skins) and split an already-smaller player base in half, between two different games.
Do I need to make a hirez account to transfer stuff over to smite 2 when it comes out?
When you think about it they are doing more than most any live service games give especially if you go from version 1 to 2
A big thing is most the gods won’t be in smite 2 so it’s not like you’re going to get all your skins anyways since it’ll be starting with a small god pool
I personally simply see it as a binding vow, exchanging the old skins for a newer better game... And I still get to spend a shitload of legacy gems on new swag. Then again I've been thru this before so I guess I don't mind it as much.
it's obvious they cant port all skins. but i think what you pay for with skins, is you pay for playtime. For that reason, i think they should still port over year 10 skins. They've had the lowest playtime, and we had smite 2 dropped on it without much warning. There are skins i bought like 2 days before smite 2 got announced, to now know that they're obsolete? I feel like just expanding to year 10 would make it a lot better. maybe not the SPL skins from the most recent battlepass, since those teams may not even continue to exist in smite 2, but it would just help feel any purchases for more recent skins feel more valued.
Haven't played Smite in years. Skins were never a reason for me to come back so I would've "lost" them anyway. I'm glad there's finally something that makes me excited to want to try it out again.
When I buy a skins in any game I know that I’m not going to have it forever. It’s why I stopped playing 2k Myteam. Games like that don’t even at least carry over currency.
i have 600 skins and i've been playing since season 3 and couldn't care less. i got currently 7 years out of them. and will get at least 2 more years out of them, i didn't expect to get any refund so i'm elated to have a 50%.
also overwatch is on its own engine and they just upgraded it, they didn't port them.
To be fair, if this would still run on UE3 i would get the hate, but in UE5 even the standard skin looks fantastic, in Smite 1 i only play gods if i have a skin for them, (Thanatos is the only exeption).
> in smite 1 I only play a God if I have a skin for them
What a dumb thing to say when there are so many phenomenal base models/ character designs in the game like Jorm or Tiamat, and even older models like Thanatos (you mentioned), Xing, Zeus, etc.
@@Jormyyy yesss, how dare i play the game in a way i want, and apparently character designs are now objectiv and not subjectiv since when someone likes it everyone has to like it, i see. But i wouldn't expect any less from a broke casual who can't afford skins and has to justify why xd
@restarting9213 its just dumb af sounding. Like why did you not have an interest in how the character looks or more importantly PLAYS until they got a fancy costume to use on them?
And homie I can guarantee I am not a "broke casual", I've likely been playing the game as long as you (possibly even longer) and I have spent my fair amount of cash on gems for this game.
However I'm not a shallow prude who only cares to play for character if they have a skin to show off when playing them, like yourself. I play characters because I like them for who they are; visual appearance, lore, and gameplay. My enjoyment for smite and its art design of characters is far deeper than yours will ever be.
Toodles ❤️
@@Jormyyy because i played this game since BETA, and ofc ill play new releases but having all gods diamond and on many multiple stars i cannot stand to see the default model anymore. If it wasn't for skins i wouldn't be playing this game anymore, thats why im happy that the game i play the most is gonna be on UE5 with many changes
@restarting9213 ok dude 🫥
It really just depends, if u view smite 2 as a new game then most probably see little issue with it but if u think its just a patch/update then it can be seen as an issue. These other examples like Overwatch was a full price game that went free to play. Like these aren't that similar for comparison. I don't think most are expecting all there money back like Paragon did a few years back. I'm sure a lot of people came from that game to Smite but maybe people expect that when a game or server shuts down.
I will definitely play smite 2 but it taught me a valuable lesson about skins I probably won't buy skin again no even that I spent a ton of money but I'm not buying skins again
There is only two things i want and they already promised half. I want my vets tester badge and cool zues skins
I think legacy gen’s are honestly pretty generous hearing how it works. I’m thrilled for smite 2. I think we all feel the same about skins and gods, and how much it sucks, but I think this is a huge step in the right direction. And it’s a bullet we were going to have to bite eventually. Great points on live service games. It won’t last forever and smite 2 is the best possible option imo. Smite 1 did look cheap most of the time, skins and graphics only improved in the last 4-5 years. Smite 2 will look sick.
I'm honestly happy skins will be "rebooted" because there's a few I don't care to play anymore so it will be nice to use gems for new stuff. Also, it's all half priced, I really don't know what is to freak about here if the gem amount to buy stuff in Smite 2 is balanced with Smite 1.
I mean I had every paragon skin now it’s predecessor and I don’t have none
Over the course of about 7 years, i've spend about 50€ on Smite in total. I never understood all the hype around cosmetics at all. I know many people do, spending 100s, if not 1000s of bucks on them. And hey, i'm not gonna judge. It's your money and you do with it what you want but personally i really couldn't care less about how my character looks in game. Like it's cool to see the artwork in the loading screen and the start of the game before stuff happens, especially when you have a cool voice pack but once you actually play the game, i don't even notice what skin i'm using. Sometimes i even find it annoying when animations and/or sounds are radically different from the base skin, especially when i play against those skins. Can get confusing as hell.
So, needless to say i'm not gonna cry one bit after my skins when going into Smite 2.
TBH, I'd probably leave smite if they shut down 1 immediately. I don't want to be shoved into Conquest-only with few gods, no skins, etc. I don't play smite for the graphics.
What I think would be a good idea smite 2 will have a 50 god roster port over 1 skin for each god find out which skins are the fan favorite for each god and port 1 for each over and as new gods are added port over a new skins that's only 50 skins that need to be ported over and then 1 skin at a time
My personal issue is that the gems don't transfer over 100%. Perhaps that's a lot to ask. But I'd rather it be that I can use 100% legacy gems, but not all the gems from Smite 1 transfer. Having to get more gems in smite 2 is really annoying. But anyway, it's not that big a deal. I just want the game to be better.
Tbh the only thing i would like to see are the tier 5 skins, as their price are so high and there is only a hand few to port over. Just knowing theyll eventually add them is already fine, not having them at launch is totally understandable just seeing them someday in the game would be awesome
Lol yeah, the fact that Asmon has a huge audience is exactly why I made the reddit post at the start. So happy to see he reacted to the video I linked.
21:40 There's the the bit about storage here too. Many games now are already reaching 100gb quite easily, imagine having all these assets carried over and over - bruhh how I am going to even have space for these games when practically now 1tb = 9/10 games of storage max.
People should be happy that their thousands gone into funding a better version of their fav game.
I remember a game called Evolve, I loved the game and spent a lot of money on it. It was not a free to play game, I paid $60 on the game and $60 on DLC for the game, and then they shut down the servers, making it unplayable. The same could be done to smite, but it's not. They are updating it, making it better, and are focused on the game, not the skins.
Been playing Smite since 2017 and have tons of rare and exclusive skins including many T5’s. I have and will continue to think of buying skins merely as supporting the FREE game that I’ve been playing for years. It helps support the game that I like playing, period.
the minute they even thought they were gonna make a smite 2 they should have notified people to know smite 1 may be coming to an end.. people who bought skins literally weeks before announcement got screwed.
Asmongold is who our parents were worried we'd grow up to become.
If he wasn’t a millionaire then yeah probably. I’d say most would be happy with how well he’s doing, I’d be happy if my son made millions doing a job he loved lol
Correct me if im wrong, but looking back at other MOBA's, there hasn't been a new released sequel title for an engine update before to my knowledge (with the exception of DOTA moving from being a mod for WoW to a standalone game). Years ago Dota 2 had the reborn update which was an engine update, it was a free update, and we kept our skins. The circumstances might be different, but it's not a great look when you compare how other companies have handled engine updates compared to Hi-rez. As someone who has put over 2000 hours into smite and over $1000, I am rather irritated. That said, it doesn't mean I won't play smite 2. I just won't be putting money into it beyond the God pack going forward.
they should have the option to disable all custom cosmetics so that people dont have to look at them. especially as someone who hasn't played the game in 5 years and get confused with all the new gods / skins
Also I figured they'd leave smite 1 up until they ported every single old god over to smite 2, they said they'd leave smite 1 up so you can still play your favorite gods, and that'll take a year or two, so I figured by then most everyone would have transferred to smite 2 and they would announce smite 1 shutting down.
“Do you really get THAT much fun out of buying a skin”
*me with my tier 5 cartoon Cthulhu skin crying while stroking his picture*
Hopefully the T5 skins will be ones they transfer over eventually
It's not just skin ports for me, it's time spent getting every God to diamond. 1600 skins, plus however many wards, avatars, etc. But I'm willing to give smite 2 a chance. Hopefully cupid will no longer look like a coloring book.
Its a free game lol, I've played for about 5 years now and never spent a dime on the game, skins are literally just aesthetics. Maybe this should be a wake up call that spending thousands of dollars on skins in a video game is a waste of money.
I was there when Paragon died. I got my refund and I switched to SMITE. I feel zero amounts of anger at getting a sequel rather than the game I loved getting murdered for money. Paragon's death was greed, SMITE 2 is progress. I'm stoked.
Ill always hate fortnite for killing paragon
@@Yuvalile88 I was excited for Fortnite from when it was first announced in 2012 or whenever in an issue of game informer and I kept track of it when it seemed to be in development hell. I will never get over it, I paid real money for fortnite promotional items in Paragon to show my support of it. If it wasn't for Battle Royale the game would've died. Damn I'm mad.
My only issue is, they really should remaster all the tier 5 skins (that we pay 100+$ for.) To smite 2. Thats my only greivance. And even then, thats fairly minor because they are going to give me well over 100k smite 2 legacy gems.
My only problem with the smite 2 system is that when I load into the game and my legacy gems are given to me I'm going to be so depressed by how many of them I have...I spent way too much on this game over the years
I'm really excited for smite 2, but I really hope that smite 1 keeps running after it's release for as long as possible. It's always really disheartening when older game servers go down and you can't play them at all anymore and it's led to a lot of lost media over the years. It would be nice if defunct games, or even games where the developers are planning to move to the next generation, made their server software available for people to run themselves in order to enjoy their older works.
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thanks, I'll be here all week
Ive been apart of smite since the first odyssey...
With that comes a lot of skin buying and while yes, it sucks some of my favorite skins most likely wont make it to smite 2, hi rez has never really done me wrong so im willing to have faith that while yes, i wont have my skins, il gain something mych better in the form of a remade game that i love that will hopefully be around for just as many years as prior
we dont know skin cost, it could 1200 gem skins, yes we get 50 percent off which puts at 600 but for new player 1200 is way to much for new players to pay it
I completely agree. I have played smite since 2013 to even now. Smite 2 needed to happen. Of course I agree I am mad the skins in smite aren’t being ported over to smite 2. I have probably over 300-340 skins in smite which isn’t a lot compared to the 1300+ skins in the game but of those 300 I have I can tell you I spent probably less then $300 dollars on 30% of those and 70% is from the daily rewards gems and chests that you unlock from the free battle pass versions or in just playing a match. Yes I am pissed i agree but the compromise hirez is giving in return for those skins I own in understandable and heck of all those top tier skins I own I always use the classic ones more than any other skin.
as succinct as possible I am a game developer, unreal engine has tools for porting assets from one version of the engine to the other however that doesn't change the visual fidelity of the skin. what they haven;t explained is the person hours it would take isn't for porting the skins but making them fit with other skins. it is NOT a good use of time to update those skins to be as good as the visuals in smite 2 they just wouldn't fit and making them fit is more work than making new skins that fit. i agree want hi res i went a better game experience
People don't understand development work and the difference between UE3 and UE5, and people don't understand the point of view from the business and financial side. People make false equivalences to others games, when those games run on a different engine and the engine is not 2 generations old.
It should be obvious that UE3 is VERY DIFFERENT from UE5 and thus transferring skins over is extremely difficult. That is why they forego that option. All 1,600 skins would need to start from scratch: coded, designed, fx, voiced, programed, all in UE5. There is no port option, no copy/paste, no easy transfer. Everything needs to be from scratch. How many times does it have to be repeated? The work is not easy.
Games like Overwatch can transfer skins because OW 1 and 2 is the SAME engine and therefore easier to complete.
From business and financial point of view, where can they make profit if Legacy Gems were a 100% off coupon? A $70 price tag, lots of paid DLC, and no God Pack instead each God costing real-life-money instead of favour or gems would be one alternative to ensuring profits.
So which would you prefer? Smite 2 is not a volunteer free development game.
yeah people that dont know anything about game dev think that since they are the same engine, that they work the same way. hirez is lucky they got to stretch U3 as much as they did because games cant even been made in U3 anymore.
I like a lot of what was said in this video. Only concern I have now is how they price the skins going forward.
I have 1216 skins. Don't plan on using 70% of them from looking outdated and newer better ones come out. The fact that they wanna give us gems to make skins 50% off is a LOSS for the company. Be happy they even did that!
Legacy gems only cover 50% of the fees.....You would have to rebuy your skin you bought in smite 1 at 50% off...
I'm definitely bummed about some of my skins not transferring over (i.e. Korra Skadi) but I'd rather they do this than the game just shutting down, which is what will happen in the near future if they don't update it and attract new players. I've been playing on and off since the alpha 10 years ago and I feel like this compromise is very fair - can't think a better way for them to accomplish their goal of making Smite 2 while not shafting their supporter base.
The only real thing I don't like is the legacy gems how you can't just use them fully to buy skins seeing they said you can't use them to buy every skin. It's not a major issue because I'm surprised they're even doing it but it's more just how I've spent 5k easy on gems and I want to feel validated
You can use them to fully buy old skins. And to pay for half of new skins. Which makes sense since its new skins.
Some skins wont have a discount at all due to them mostly being crossovers and having a cpntract, like the vtuber skins
Hi rez track record with making news games is what I am truly worried about lol.
It is normal to not be able to transfer all skins but what about gods, i was playing since closed beta and bought every god with gold. Do i get all gods except new ones, or no. If not it would be a shame and it discourages people who did not put hundreds of dollars into game, but they played for ages and earned them.
The biggest issue in smite 2 is ps4 and xbox1 not being able to play SMITE 2