Men’s Rights Activist Calls In To Debate Sam
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- In this Majority Report clip, a young man calls in and tells Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland, and Nomiki Konst that he’s a men’s right’s activist (MRA). Sadly, Matt Binder is not present. He just wants to chat! Sam Seder asks him to describe what it means to be a men’s right activist, and he begins describing that there are legal and social differences and that there was one scientific study that proved something, but sadly, he does not make it to the five-minute mark before Sam is super annoyed with him.
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“I didn’t interrupt you, because I never stopped talking”. I’m using that one.
I loved this comment, Beth, and will use it at earliest opportunity!
@Alexis Sanchez because MRA arguments are nonsense and deserves no one's time.
@Alexis Sanchez I 100% agree with you and I have a great aversion to MRAs. This was such a pathetic example of disingenuousness discussion. Nomiki saying she was gonna throw up and then when you all were talking he said one at a time you just got nasty as if he was telling Emma to shut up when he didn’t.
@@sharifsalem don’t forget you should have some good arguments ready and expect a robust exchange. If your first argument is there bring pension inequalities in other countries, it’s not stunning. If you go on from there to talk about conscription when the army when many men have made sure the rules mean women are allowed into frontline military roles. If there every was the terrible situation of all out war I am sure newer decisions would be made.
He wasn’t listening to the questions and deliberately not answering them. Imagine the reaction if he has paused, thought about the question and answered that. Once the team knew what he was doing they went after his obvious flaws. That’s an effective strategy for a TY clip. How would you do it differently with the same caller?
@@maxine2798 “many men” does not equal the men conscripted.
I come back to this every once in a while and my favorite bit is still "I haven't interrupted you because I never stopped talking."
Same. 😂
Did you come back 🎉
I miss Michael losing his patience and laughing hysterically in the background while proceeding to try and throw Sam off by making him joke on the caller and ruin the entire debate process 😢
=(
I will always miss Michael cackling in the background :(
Our favorite hyena!!
Sorely missed...
Me too😪
Yes that was something else.
"That was a 30 minute conversation with a fedora." DEAD
@Christopher f you get prostate cancer, you may be dead, because feminists ib Congress made sure to spend many times more money on breast cancer than prostate cancer
Yanis Varoufakis: "We do not sacrifice good people to the ultra-right by treating them like morons and by demonizing them. This is crucial. We have to win the battle of ideas by treating people with respect independently of whether they agree or even like us or not"
@@Bos_Taurusso bold
Fun fact. The term "toxic masculinity" emerged from a male group who recognized that hypermasculinity can be harmful to both society and the human experience for a male.
fun fact most people miss use the word "toxic masculinity" to be a toxic individual completely misunderstanding the real meaning of the term
@@irish3310 what the real meaning of the term
@@anthonymort5202 In a nutshell it says many traits we associate with masculinity and encourage boys and men to have are negative for individuals (the men themselves and others around them) and society as a whole. Some examples are not crying or showing emotion is considered masculine, but repressing your feelings we now know is harmful to their well-being. Being physically aggressive can be harmful to not just others but the person themself. And men being expected to initiate and push boundaries for sex while expecting women to push back contributes to rape culture, which for more info on that you'll have to wait for my next Ted Talk.
@@anthonymort5202 not sure of the official definition you could look that up, but when people talk avout toxic masculinity they are talking about traits we associate with being masculine that are bad. Things like, real men dont cry, real men are tough and aggressive, real men arent cool with gay folk, the idea a man must be hyper independent and cant lean on others every now and again. Just all usually bad behaviours that most men can admit are shitty traits and probably shouldnt be associated with the idea of being masculine.
Also its not only men who promote toxic masculinity but even women, if youve ever made the mistake of opening up with a girl your dating and expressing your feelings or insecurities to her youll know tons of women out there due to how all of society (or at least the vast majority of it) have made these traits and ideas out to be what "real men" should live like will react shittily even to their own boyfriends who are being vulnerable with them. Its truly awful and is one of the leading reasons men commit more suicide, cause honestly its just not a good way to live.
@Mike Dalby such as what? how has the term been highjacked, it sounds pretty consistent to what i think it means and the traits and behaviors others attribute to "Toxic Masculinity" im curious as what you meant by "highjacked"
Funny. For a men’s rights activist he never brought up the societal and economic issues that actually effect gay and trans men. Strange.
Maybe he just doesn’t know they exist yet, I don’t know any that specifically effect trans and gay men and only them
economic? Could u use an example?(Im not trying to be mean but societal i get but economic..i dont really, could u use an example?)
Very good point.
@@crystellik Pregnancy issues and marriage rights. That was pretty easy lol.
@UCQ1JOVYfIyDTKCqc_E14UyQ as far as the general public is concerned gay couples can’t conceive children, and as far
As the general public is concerned including me gay couples can already marry,
“I’m not interrupting you because I haven’t finished talking”. LOL. I’m stealing this.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif He hadn't - you are an awful listener probably because you struggling with empathy for others and then projecting this into a victimhood complex. Sam's right if you can't define masculinity at a conceptual level then your not worth taking seriously.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif You spoke to them for nearly 30 minutes and said nothing at all. 😆
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif I was a man 5 minutes ago. Your segment has turned me into a woman who only wants men in camps.
Women live longer than men because they don't live with a woman.
@@michaelmoore7975 And how about that airline food? Why don't they make the pane out of the black box? Why drive in a parkway and park in a driveway?
This guy runs a self esteem hotline for school bullies
😂😂😂😂
That’s a strong pitch for a coming of age movie. You doing anything with that idea?
Explains his insecurities
Who are the bullies? Men? Do you mean the majority of regular men, around the entire world, who are fighting for women to get trans people out of women's sports? Those are the men, the bullies, you are referring to right?
@@kmarcol1 Feminist will be insecure when men reject them en masse
This dude bases one entire point on the *likelihood* of men having prostate cancer and then argues *against the likelihood* of men receiving abuse vs women receiving abuse
I'm against both kinds of abuse.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif 19:18 you also claimed to be taken out of context there when you were quoted verbatim. You could admit to your hypocrisy and listen to the argument that toxic masculinity is the greatest threat to men, but you just talk over others without even being able to define ‘masculinity’
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif
Brother you are trying argue both ways to fit your narrative.
I mean sure. But MRA's won't really talk about how prostate cancer is a worry for trans women as well, or that breast cancer is a far more common issue for cis women to deal with (and for some trans men who haven't had surgery yet). Its like... maybe we should be advocating for better healthcare for everyone?
@@andromidius Why are you all lives mattering right now?
the first time the guy says 'men's rights activist':
nomi's face: just fucking kill me
emma's face: I need popcorn for this
he joined the chat a few days ago & his call did not disappoint....
LMFAO!!!!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if nomiki went and got a alcoholic beverage. I know I would have lol
Also, this happened right after they just covered the Dimmy Jore sexaully harassing Anna Kasparian story, so they were already primed
Is this how cool people at your high school see things?
Men's rights are super important. It's something that every feminist cares about.
Unfortunately MRA's are usually concern trolling conservative men who don't think sexism is real.
Exactly. MRAs want women to have less rights, instead of legitmately helping men in areas where its needed.
This is my beef. I care a great deal about the plight of young men, the social "disposability" men have. And my greatest allies when I have gone after it have been feminists
It's a lovely thought, but somehow I doubt you've surveyed the entire population of feminists. LOL!
@@SmarkAngel right, and when you understand the issue that men have a social responsibility to take on more riskier jobs is tied to the social weight of being a woman in general it's almost incomparable.
Raising the standard of what women go through is the best way to lower the risk factor men are (barely) expected to.
Also, worker rights are probably a better avenue for making men's jobs safer.
Sorry if I’m arguing over semantics, but in general I don’t think it’s an issue of rights. It’s just, well issues. We men do have issue, a lot of which funny enough comes from toxic masculinity. “Man up, and ignore your inner pain”, that expectation is a part of toxic masculinity, and contributes to further toxic masculinity.
The fact that he just straight up said "can I have this conversation with you one on one, Sam," without the women interfering, is WILD. Holy crap.
Likely because he wants to be able to blame women without any pushback from them lol. What a fool.
The show is literally called The Majority Report with SAM SEDER, it has nothing to do with them being women, it has do with the fact that the dude was trying to debate 3 people at once when he called in to specifically debate Sam. He even said as much but all 3 hosts ignored him, what don't you understand?
@@Perfect_Bond Thank you for mansplaining the name of the show, Patrick. Unfortunately, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are. Off you go.
@@ravenswood118Sexist term. I actually don't consider myself to be that intelligent and don't care what sex you are. To characterize the MRA's desire to focus on Sam as the opposition in the debate isn't "WILD", it wouldn't have mattered whether it was 2 other men accompanying Sam on the show, the MRA came to debate Sam, yet spent most of the video attempting reply to 3 different people at once.
Your reply didn't debunk anything I said and was just an attempt to be condescending.
@@Perfect_Bond LOL ok MRA weirdo. Ciao!
This guy is a Jordan Peterson accolyte.
The women of Chaos are coming so clean your room and don’t be seduced by lipstick my fellow lobster.
To catch a lobster, you have to think like a lobster. You have to BE a lobster!
In a Jungian sense, bitches be triflin'
He's a beeedaaaa male.
@@TheFrostbite324 chaos dragons
"Im not interupting you because I haven't stopped talking" - lmao.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif poor little victim... ❄️😭❄️😭❄️😭❄️😭❄️😭
@@hallodunase stop being a victim.
He repeatedly ignored questions and also talked over others. It was ABSURD how incapable he was of respecting others and answering their questions.
@@davidbright6790 how am I being a victim? You dragging me into this just goes to show that you're blindly attacking anyone. I just pointed out that he was interrupted. I don't agree with him on his stance but I do feel its difficult to listen to Sam debate because he is shouting so much.
That’s a great quote
@@davidbright6790 this is what toxic masculinity is. You should fr check it out and correct it, it's because of people like you, the world is the way it is. The hosts were WAY more than just rude. So don't talk this bs saying he was interrupting. Don't be a hypocrite. Grow up.
I have to say (and I am only 30 seconds into this video) that I believe there is a place for mens rights activists if the action is targeted towards incarceration, parental rights and mental health issues.
NOT 'we want to go back to the 50's'!
Why not also rape, murder, assault, the draft, hiring discrimination, harassment, reproductive rights, domestic violence, homophobia disparity, and sentencing disparities? MRA is coming people, and it won't be right wing when it arrives
Don't let's ever forget to fight for the young infant sons of tomorrow who would face genital mutilation for no sound medical reason, against any possible consent, and based on the barbarism of a stupid religion.
@@emilianosintarias7337 Yes, exactly
Best comment so far. What's amazing is this guy didn't think this through as much as a random commenter 😆
@@bogusmcbogus2637 there is consent given to have your son circumcised. It's not a law, at least not in the US.
A bit disappointed this wasn't mentioned, although it requires some subject knowledge about prostate cancer knowledge, but the main reason why prostate cancer screening isn't routine is because it's not found to be effective. Any screening program has to be evaluated for accuracy (i.e. the rate of false positives and false negatives), the effects of a false outcome (e.g. excessive or invasive treatments), cost of screening and other risks. Importantly a screening should at the very least benefit people who do have the cancer, otherwise it's pointless, this means it's most effective in diseases where early detection has a significant beneficial effect on outcome, which often is not the case for prostate cancer which when detected early is often just monitored.
None of this has anything to do with men or women, it applies to all forms of screening. Some screening programs are better (more beneficial), others are more harmful than beneficial, it depends on the disease and the screening methods.
@did, try to grow a heart and a brain. Many times more money is spent on breast cancer than prostate cancer. Which is why there are men's rights activists
It may not be that way if all the funding for cancer research diddnt go overwhelmingly to breast cancer. The mortality rates are mirrored but a tiny percentage of funding goes to prostate cancer research. Feminists only want equality when it benefits them.
But the context is.. The caller evidently didn't genuinely care about prostate cancer's testing. It was a mere TP for him to get hurt by.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't develop better technologies to detect prostate cancer early. In fact, I would argue it makes it much more important to do so. If current screening and technology isn't sufficient due to poor research funding, it means we need to invest more into it.
@@thomasschrader8272Okay??? That wasn't the caller's point. His point was that it's unfair women get breast cancer screenings under Obamacare but men don't get an equivalent, this proves that society is actually a matriarchy that's out to destroy men
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Wish Michael was here to chime in with a dave rubin impression.
Or as someone else said, as Right-wing Mandela talking about men's rights.
The thing with this is you could just play an old clip of Michael's reactions and comments and it would fit the tone perfectly. The arguments are still exactly the same and still lack any credibility. Which is annoying because there are some genuine issues men face - MRA's just never bring them up. Things like toxic masculinity, putting too much pressure on teenage boys to conform to the masculine ideals, social shaming of men who want to do care based occupations, etc etc.
But its never brought up because the MRA community is in denial about it. They can't show any weakness, even if having vulnerability is perfectly valid and healthy. Because of toxic masculinity.
"I don't wanna define masculinity, I just wanna talk about ideas!"
I just wish that he was here-whatever would decide to say !!
I loved his Peterson impression too.
When you control for all the factors that prove you are right, you will see I am right.
This!!!!!
About sums up All of social media “debates “
Which is what Sam insisted on doing from the get go, he narrowed the bandwidth every time the guy spoke to something Sam felt he could win in rather than what the guy called in to discuss
@@sharifsalem dum dum had no data/studies for the USA let alone "around the world"..."if I can be vague without having to prove anything...then you will see I'm right"
@@gattaca5911 okay go ahead, explain something that makes sense and i'll accept the lack of studies.
Right like this looks like every time a kid tried to talk to the cool kids that assumed they were correct because of there standards. And just dog pile on the kid because it's his first day.
I am a man, I grew up in a world where I was taught to be a man, you need to be physically tough, don't show emotion, sleep with many women etc etc etc If you deny that than you were either lucky or you are lying. Toxic masculinity exists, but if you are sitting there outraged, fearful and under attack and the pendulum swinging a little then it's most likely that you are indeed toxic, or at the very least insecure. Insecurity in men is rampant because of the very toxicity we have grown up in, it's that insecurity that has driven some of these men to become "hyper alpha's" and think they are under attack. real men are not insecure and realise that it's been toxic and welcome change.
Well said.
😂😂
@Jared, if you get prostate cancer, you will learn that feminists made sure that many times more money is spent on breast cancer than prostate cancer. Then let's talk about "toxicity"
@@rootcanal7188 Oh seriously shut up and grow a pair and stop being a victim. Show me some evidence that feminists actively suppressed funding for prostate cancer? because in essence that is what you are saying
@@jdoggbyc do you actually have a brain? If so, do your own research.
this wasn't the best showing of sam
He peaked when he was Fenton
And? He’s still right
@@davantejohnson5980 no he isnt right the man barely had a chance to make his stance the Nomiki just started being a horrible person instead of trying to understand someones view point
@@davantejohnson5980 hard to claim that youre "right" when we dont even know what the other guy is saying since youre shouting over him and laughing every time he opens his mouth
@@lildipper3423 So how is he not right?
I find it weird that they understand there are issues with the way men are treated but they laugh at the idea of someone standing up to the injustices.
They definitely have some biases
@@shrisiva4016 very sadly :(
I find it unconscionable more than weird.
the guy doesn't even understand what the injustices are. he framed it as though women aren't oppressed and lightly suggested that women were the oppressors (re: boys are being told in school that boy/men are bad). had he come in and said, for example, "women and men are both hurt by society not taking domestic abuse seriously, but i personally want to focus and talk about how it hurts men" THAT would be taken seriously and been a whole different conversation. instead he alleges some wild shit like that men are most often the victims of domestic abuse. you can't debate or have a conversation with someone that far outside of reality.
@@Alice-df5lu Did he say that? And what's the connection between women oppressors and school? No men in schools? Finally, I agree with your take on a whole different conversation, but why can't he be taken seriously out of general respect?
This is Classic MR. The only thing missing is Brooks & Binder howling in the background.
God I miss Brooks so bad
it's not actually. sam never interrupted his interlocutors this much. the great thing about sam is he would ask questions and allow people to answer and contadict themselves--he'd hardly even have to do anything afterward, he was extremely skillful.
this is sam interrupting constantly using toxic bill o reilly fox news techniques and emma and especially nomi cringily girlbossing all over the place. i never thought i'd miss jamie's forced cool blase energy. jesus christ this was a depressing watch. this show is fucked.
Oh man. The Brooks howl would complete this. Lmao
@@mmeditatio “this show is fucked” yeah ok. 👌
@@mmeditatio I disagree. This caller was exceptionally unprepared. It was dripping off him from the start. He said he'd been watching the show and didn't even know how to pronounce Sam's name.
Emma: "that doesn't shock me"
exactly what i was thinking!
Know I'm a bit late to your comment but just wanted to comment to you real quick that i loled at that part! And basically had had the same response/thought as you! 🤦🏻😂 oh boy, this caller had me frustrated and laughing at the same time somehow...? 🤔🤷🏻😅 I mean from the get go when the men rights activists couldn't describe *masculinity* you knew this was going to be a 💩 show, girl! 👏🏻🤣 Jesus. How much do you want a bet that after they hung up the caller looked over at his and said, " See, I told you it was going to be unfair *_right_* from the beginning, man!! But hey I at least showed them! 😏😎"
Also last thing, him asking Sam at the end if he could have a "one on one" was just the cherry on the top 👌🏻 lolol.
Sorry for leaving such a long comment,btw. 😬🤦🏻😅
Emma’s always ready with a zinger! 🤣 Love her
Timestamp?
is it misogynistic to say that nomi is very annoying?
Probably to some people. But I thought she was annoying. She did everything she could to try to trigger the caller but it failed.
Definitely not
Not at all if you mean her timing and digs were off center, I’d agree
I like her and her work. Agree with her on a lot. I think it would be misogynistic to say she's annoying but I understand why her inflection can drive people crazy.
She hella fine tho
Emma was the most mature and made the best points in this video. Wish the video was just Emma vs the Activist dude. Sam was super condescending and too aggressive, and the girl on the bottom completely ruined the discussion near the end.
agreed 100%. Emma also injected levity into it at some points.
Ugh Nomiki was so annoying in this.
Yeah i think Nomiki was pretty much done the moment she realized the guy was their to just preach. But I agree, would have love if Emma got to speak up more.
I'm glad there's a comment that said this.
I’m gonna agree with this one. I’ve met MRAs. They’re generally not bad people. They just don’t fully understand things.
Being complete assholes to them does NOT help. Emma was the only rational person here. Whoever it was at the bottom just completely laughing at this guy was cringe.
Men do face problems but it’s people like her at the bottom that don’t let, often misguided, men actually speak and try to have a discourse and maybe learn.
Bruh, let the man talk
This is the mind trap I often get drawn into, I think people want to debate when all they really want to do is argue and rant. Love how everyone handled this!
Yes of course because shouting at a caller with a different perspective as a privately educated, wealthy media figure is certainly the way to bring people on side, this wont galvanise people at all
@@ravenmusic6392 I agree, this was not handled with anything close to empathy or intelligence, which actually made the caller's point.
@@Captain058 Nomiki is probably significantly more privileged than the caller is, she went to multiple private schools and has many media connections (for Sam and Emma it's the same ). Its not so much the caller couldn't handle a women debating him, it was more just the smug tone taken by someone so utterly and completely out of touch that probably upset him. The "work harder, do better" is ironically a pretty good example of toxic masculinity when it comes to men dealing with their problems
@Lastx, Try to grow a brain, and realize the many reasons that men's rights organizations exist.
@@rootcanal7188 Misogyny mainly
It's not the same without Michael's background cackle. 😭
If you listen hard, you can still hear it
They need to play his laugh like they did with Jackie's laugh on Stern
@@d3l3tes00n A fabulous idea!
@@carolmckee8456 "Michael & Jackie laugh at Ben Shapiro riding the sybian"
"30 min conversation with a fedora" LMAO. That shit killed me.
Why are Fedora hats so bad?
@@machida58 hats for incels
@@BarnsOfChris Clothes?
@@BarnsOfChris a hat is a hat is a hat... unless it's also your wife
@@machida58 cuz dorks wear them
i don’t think nomiki is great at arguing. she starts with “i have a theory about you”. i’m like how’s this going to go well as a convincing form of arguementing? - “i’ma start my retort by making unnecessary presumptions”. then she goes into an anecdotal thing, and then yells at the twit caller dude for not getting her name right. i understand getting worked up in general, but nomiki is a professional talk show host. i mean i probably 100% agree with her perspectives on gender and society (cuz i’m an old lefty from way back (jk, it’s a joke inside of a serious post)), but that is beside the point i’m commenting on here. sorry, wordy
Well, this wasn’t a debate. The caller wanted to be able to spout off half-baked MRA talking points without pushback and thought, for whatever reason, calling into this show was the good place for that. It was never a debate, the caller wasn’t prepared and couldn’t think through their own points, and everyone on the other side has experienced this enough to know it wasn’t a debate it was just an excuse for the caller to try and soapbox.
I don't think Nomiki is in the wrong for being disgusted by a man talking about how hard it is for boys in school
Like I think her first question has merit like "where is this coming from. Why does this impact you what makes you drive to this" is a valid thing to ask but as soon as he says something like that it's like oh my God dude what
She was the worst part of this whole exchange in my opinion. She seems to think the same way as this guy, but on the other side.
@@joshuaflores209 i’m commenting on nomiki and her bad job at questioning/argumentative skills. its not about the caller.
If you think you cannot advocate for men's rights because we have to advocate for women's rights, you're extremely top left.
EEW Sam and cast acting like child bullies instead of talking.
Yeah, I agree
Yeah when "Nokimi" started to personally attack him just to make him mad that didn't sit well with me.
They were talking. Not coddling, maybe you were expecting that?
Boohoo. Cope
They acted the way Crowder handled the debate with Sam Seder.
"I did say Emma could come." Even richer. I'm sure she's grateful.
Yeah, Emma can get it
Is it wrong that when I first saw this comment as it was the first comment when I opened the video, I thought it was talking about a different kind of interaction between men and women?
Comment thirst trap! 😂
This guy could get a job as a wacky inflatable tube man because he is so good at flailing.
Something tells me she can't come with him. Pun very much intended.
The irony is there's a version of this guys arguments that actually makes sense, but he would have to admit that toxic masculinity is the cause of the problem and not woke feminists or whatever lol.
Ding ding ding
Yes. Exactly. He doesn't understand that masculinity is social constructed and part of that are society expectations on men. These are intertwined and a lot of it is toxic and it hurts men and women. Honestly, these guys were unfair to this guy. A better solution would be to come to a common understanding
Feminism has been the dominant strain of thinking on these issues for two generations now on the left, it can start to own the system it's influenced. If you can't criticize feminism, you're really at a dead end as far as questioning the authorities on the left.
Feminists will always present themselves as out of power, it's their schtick. I wonder how they deal with the cognitive dissonance when they simultaneously celebrate their own accomplishments...
Long story short, everyone has agency, everyone has knowledge, everyone has responsibility, including feminists and their critics.
@@captainvonkleist8323 Wow congrats you showed how stupid you are in a more eloquent way than the caller did.
@@MatthewFutrell You guys are the libertarians of the left.
See, if you go try to debate with libertarians on the right, what you find is the majority of them are just bozos who don't want to pay taxes. They just don't see their own greed.
You guys are just really immature on these issues, you just don't see it yet. It's college level sex politics. That's why the responses to comments like mine look like yours.
Yeah Sam and co. really couldn’t even handle talking to this dude. They just got triggered and barely anything intelligible was said.
Oh and if the guy is already losing an argument, wouldn't it be more effective to let him answer the questions until he realizes he's cornered? I disagree with most of what he said but why pile on him, ask a bunch of questions then shout over him before he can finish his answer?
Nomiki was kinda hard to listen to, if I'm honest.
Kinda hard?
I agree with the Nomiki part, I haven't seen anything of hers outside the opinions that she expressed in the video and she came off as a white lib woman, I mean even her expressions, laughing, the throw up comment, it gave a very unprofessional look, at least Sam refrained from doing that kind of remarks.
Yeah she was really embarrassing
All of them were just awful on the guy. They barely let him speak.
She was taking things personally.
Nomiki being a freakin' jerk to this caller.
The caller is a delusional jerk who deserves to be made fun of. Cry louder, dude.
@@Yanaschaf We live in a very strange social climate.
@@Yanaschaf why does he deserve to be laughed at? For having misguided concerns? He doesn’t seem to want to take anything away from women or anything just wants to help men’s grievances. That’s a problem?
You sound like a real good person.
@@lustrazor44 he only does what he does to take something away from women. "MRA" ideology only exists to claw-back the progress made by feminists.
He doesn't care about prostate cancer; he would gripe about literally anything that he perceived as a benefit of being a woman.
@@Yanaschaf you should refute the man intellectually, which should be easy if his ideas are so ridiculous.
MRA doesn't realize he's giving some feminist talking points
That's part of the point. If you watch the Red Pill movie, it was made by a woman who used to call herself a feminist. Many of the founders of the equality movement saw the disparities between men and women as a two sided door to fix.
@@mgaus MRA folks just need to actually understand what feminism is and understand reality. Alas, they're more focused on being angry at women than actually uplifting everyone.
@@kaleetean458 No, they are busy basing their opinion of the actions and works of prominent Feminists like Mary Koss and Dworkin.
Nice projection though.
@@CodyMe See? Just two women whose opinions they don't like driving them to complain on the internet. Rather than ending war, combating capitalism, promoting equality for all genders, fighting for housing justice, getting money out of politics, etc
@@kaleetean458 Seems like the exact opposite occurred in this video.
Women hit men far more than men hit women. The fact sam wants to bring that up is laughable. But cops are far less likely to arrest a woman for hitting a man. Because "a man should be able to handle it". theres an example of toxic masculinity that gives women privaledge.
Quick question: where did you find this study?
Sam: “First thought? I think you’re a lunatic.”
Emma, the biggest smile like she’s a little kid on Christmas morning
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif lmaooo
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif you're a civilised vacuous amoeba..
Get a new hobby
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif My first thought was 'This guy was on the wrong side of a bad divorce.' I have no doubt that this is the prime source of MRA,s.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif maybe this doesn't help with the discussion but you are a lunatic get a hobby dude you're wasting your f****** life
He’s probably an incel.
Sam: "My gut reaction? I think you're a lunatic." Okay, I'm locked in for the whole video.
So true 🤣
And Sam's gut feeling was right.
This gives me the vibes of the old debates with libertarians under the Obama administration
@@austin5944 The good old days.
@@ProletariatPrince I love those videos so much
Nomi's approach is overly aggressive I'm sure it is therapeutic for her but it isn't helpful. She got so riled up she argued abused men shouldn't be cared for since as a whole men make more money.
Yeah.. my male friend who was raped and then committed suicide, is a perfect example of real problems that exist in our society. Sexism sucks in either direction and I hate to say it but Naomi just came off as a sexist. We don't need people like that on either side of the argument.
@@mikejohnson555 I'm sorry to hear that man. I've had too many friends who are scared admit to it because of the toxic idea that it makes you appear weak. I honestly feel like she saw his defense of men abuse victims as somehow detracting from women so she was defensive. Its just a shame 😔
@@fuzzybutterballggg3788 I was/am really active in the BLM protests. I bring this up because occasionally I would run into rapid anti white racists. They were far and few in between, not at all a normal or commonly held belief; point being sometimes people become the exact thing they are fighting against. Racism directed at black people their entire lives turns some of them into angry racists themselves. I have seen the exact same thing happen with feminism, a cause I overwhelmingly support intellectually and in principal. However it has to be talked about and acknowledged that there is toxic, sexist "feminist's" and bad ideas mixed in with good ones.
Sexism is wrong, period; when directed at women or men because of the genitals they have. Yet too often men become nothing more than a point of mockery, and as men they are supposed to be tough and not complain.
I shouldn't have to say it because it seems patronizing or too childish but "two wrongs don't make a right" equality goes both ways. Fighting sexism with anti male sexism is a real thing that needs to be acknowledged and fought against.
@@fuzzybutterballggg3788 Many feminists just don't really give two shits about men, and if they do it's from a 'feminist' lens, which sometimes is just absolutely useless. Blaming everything on toxic masculinity when that applies only to the minority of problems that men face, including abuse. Many men I know don't want to talk about the abuse they've received not because they fear appearing weak, but because they fear not being believed and worse, being called abusers themselves. In interpersonal relationships, I find it's more the women who go ''eww a man showing emotions'' when the man opens up about anxiety or other problems, while men to be either supportive or neutral on the issue.
Great subthread.
"Are you telling me you're a Men's Rights Activist and you can't even tell me what masculinity is?"
LOL! I'm dead!
@sandpiper f you get prostate cancer, you may be dead, because feminists ib Congress made sure to spend many times more money on breast cancer than prostate cancer
that the problem.... man have no fucking idea what masculinity is in this day and age, the lefft give fucking answer only this shit we see here
@@MrChaosi Exactly. This is one of the reasons there is a men's movement - so men can define masculinity on their own terms, and tell man hating feminists to buzz off. It's too bad the caller didn't say that
LOL: can feminists tell what feminity is?
Half of them is aggressively against sex work and half of them pro sex work.
Half of them is transphobe and half of them is trans-inclusive.
Ideologies are just ways to increase your heartrate.
@@ouwebrood497 Wow! It's almost as if no group is a monolith!
I have to say that Nomiki came across quite pompous and arrogant. Sure, the guy was off base, but she was the one offended in this whole ordeal. Maybe Nomiki can take lessons from Emma.
She always has the style of debate that just completely rubs me the wrong way. It's entirely an optics game with conversationalists like her that twist themselves into being the most aggrieved party possible and framing everything the other person is saying is beyond acceptable conversation. Now, I agree with most of her positions and actually do think that some of what this guy was saying was so absurd as to not take seriously, but that's not the point. You should always be trying to poke logical holes in their argument and make them look bad by hanging themselves with their own words. When you just flagellate and shout for the entire time it makes you come out looking bad and giving the other person to run back to their followers and say, "See, look how bad faith they are. They are too afraid to have an honest conversation!"
I agree Sam Seder needs to establish with them that this is just a 1 on 1 debate because if they start jumping in there's like 5 different claims he has to tackle and he'll feel overwhelmed and the audience will see that and it just looks bad optically even though Sam Seder is 10000% capable of debating anyone on his own
@@livingtoaster1358 There is usually an understanding with people who watch the show that when you call up to debate you are debating everyone, not just Sam, just not all at once. But the caller wasn't a regular viewer so he didn't realize this. But in this case it came across as if he didn't want to deal with the women and only wanted to talk to Sam, which I can understand pissed off Nomiki because of the optics.
She was pretty lenient with the jackass until it was clear that he was ignoring and dismissing everything she and Emma said the entire time.
@@LumumbaKShakur yeah I guess so
This should have just been Sam and Emma talking to the guy.
if anything sam shouldve sat this one out there's nothing like watching walking jokes like this caller get rolled by the half of the population they tend to ignore
Yup, chick on the bottom was a joke. Emma and Sam did great.
@@UberTheRandom callers like this are sad human beings and the last thing i care about is in depth discussion on his world views "chick on the bottom" by far did the best job digging into the guy
@@monetcache Notice that absolutely no one outside of they shows viewer base agrees with you. She acted like a privileged high school bully over a serious issue because she didn't have a single good argument
@@ravenmusic6392 you made up that first part lmao unless you personally went and polled people on the street about my comment but either way callers like that loser are so unserious that unless they were going to bully him and mess around with him there would really be no reason to continue the call
go to a divorce court to see men's right abused
Sam repeated exactly what he said about young boys writing him, and he claims Sam is being dishonest. This guy is such a joke.
"Young boys keep writing to me" He probably shouldn't admit that to too many people.
@@greg6500 lmfao that was my first thought too 😂
@@pfeiferwithap How many times did he say "Men and Boys"? seriously it was super creepy.
he repeated it in a clear attempt to discredit and trivialize it.
@@SDwilly yes obliviously, that's what you do when someone says something false
What are the chances he's also a Libertarian?
I'm not taking that bet. Guarantee that he's a Libertarian aka An-Cap.
We're talking about self-identifying as the US usage of the term.
It's high.
It's _very_ high.
@@Selcryn he probably subscribes to Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro
On his way to becoming a 'sovereign citizen'. a total prawn head
More than libertarian, he's simply just a white american.
Dude had all of his talking points, but couldn't think beyond the crap he read on 4chan or wherever. So sad.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif you wouldn't even answer a basic fucking question.
Sam asked you the same question a dozen times and you kept making up lies and obfuscating.
You didn't deserve the time you got. Seriously, they were being kind.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif You didn't have any real arguments. Pensions in other countries isn't an argument. You're just scared of women.
@@MichaelAronson that is a terrible way to spell 마이크르.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif you may have seen it as you were being cut off, I saw it as you trying to cut off all three people and Bogart the mic. Also if you answered every question then let's recap on your answer to this question as you gave it on the show: What is the definition of masculinity?
@@jaytee9 The characters have Chinese (한자) counterparts, like actual Korean names.
Hey guys, as an MD, I can say that elderly men are the ones who get prostate cancer. According to studies, it is an incidental post-mortem finding in the majority of elderly men. However it has such a long disease course, that it's not what kills them in most cases. We still screen for it because it's easy to do so and it still brings down the morbidity and mortality from it.
I see you are just another mangina that dismisses male death from prostate cancer
he's hanging on the word "rights" as an *actual* right, where it's more figurative in this context. It's 100% true that society allows and tolerates male abuse, and doesn't give 2 shits about male pain as much as it does female abuse and pain.
yeah his use of the word "rights" shows that he's not as developed with the argument as he should be. hopefully with some time he'll be able to better articulate his positions. kind of disappointing to not see the crew try and push him in that direction as opposed to trying to dunk on him.
@@Frank-wr2nf Yeah Sam sort of has an open mind, but even he's just trying to "give him rope to hang himself" on.
@@Amybhds generally, boys/men are simply told to suck it up and not cry. it's even tied in with some general misogyny "don't be a girl" etc. it's a very pervasive cultural thing in almost any space. guys are just told to "be tough" from young, girls are told to "be nice", altho there are certainly woke parents who very consciously avoid these stereotypes these days, they are most likely a small minority and practically non-existent in conservative/rural areas. but yea, culturally, toxic masculinity is an issue... just not exactly something you can directly solve with policy. it has also already gotten significantly less bad in recent times: people are definitely more open to boys/men being vulnerable and emotional.
there are definitely some areas where men kinda get the shorter end of the stick; but on the whole it is not oppressive, definitely less so than what women suffer in other areas. then you bring in history and it is overwhelmingly too much patriarchy, so having to deal with toxic masculinity is really not a pressing societal issue that rises to a movement for "men's rights". call it "maternity bias" when courts are biased in favour of the mother for custody cases. be "anti draft" where that is an issue. many others are really about "equality" or "equal opportunity".
women's rights started with the right to vote, and the feminist movement tends to deal with systemic discrimination, along with historical oppression. "men's rights" really deals only with very specific/fringe issues that either don't affect most men, or have an impact that is nowhere near systemic discrimination or oppression.
If men visited the doctor more then deaths from prostate cancer would be lowered. Why aren't men visiting the doctor more???
Homophobia (as it involves something going up the butt which makes a lot of guys insecure) and other elements of toxic masculinity
@Hermann Hemholtz sorry to hear that (seriously, not just saying that), but I do hope you understand that we were talking about broad trends which affect men disproportionately enough to be statistically significant, not (admittedly genuinely tragic) anecdotes or condemnation of every single man.
I hope you find justice and peace for what happened to you.
@@dynamicworlds1 It's toxic masculinity if you don't like a stranger sticking their fingers up your ass. You can't be serious.
Costs too much
@@connielingus8385 I dont like to have a little stick shoved in my cervix but hey Im legally required to if I want to get birth control even though it has literally nothing to do with birth control. Imagine if we legally forced men to get fingers shoved in their ass if they wanted to have basic medications.
Nomiki gets overly emotional and doesn't handle it well. Emma is a rockstar and would have been able to handle that guy without her.
100%
Sam and Nomiki are hopelessly ignorant on men's issues. They might want to speak live online to someone like Karen Straughan, but they don't have the balls.
I don’t agree with a lot of the viewpoints with the caller but you guys straight up bullied and mocked him.. just seems counterproductive for your channel.
I agree
And a lot of the people in the comments are in the same thought bubble. This debate didn't bring any new understanding to our ideas. It just reaffirmed every wrong opinion people have.
The girl at the bottom is just plain toxic and is clearly projecting her insecurities. She needs to go IMO
You can't possibly know what his viewpoints really are because he wasn't allowed to articulate them without being interrupted and then misinterpreted.
ive always thought that society's expectation that "real men dont cry" was part of the reason for toxic masculinity.
i think if men felt more comfortable being vulnerable, the world would be a better place.
Then tell women to be attracted to men who express their vulnerability.
...
Yeah, not gonna happen.
@@jaydamalley3398 youre hanging around the wrong women if thats all you see. you ever watch someone like russell brand? he's able to be vulnerable and women love him.
@@gofoucaultspendulumyoursel3496 He's a well-known comedian. He has a level of status women are drawn to - status equals potential provider. And he has a certain charm that women seem to be drawn to, as well. So for someone like that to display his vulnerabilities is not a turn-off. For men in general, that does not go up.
And I'm not using my own anecdotal experiences with women to make my point. It is true of women in general. Men at the top have the majority of all the sex, and they don't get that by being vulnerable.
Feminists have always been fighting for men to be freed from the social constructs of patriarchy such as the need to always tough and not vulnerable. Women do not like hyper masculine alpha men. Trust me, we don’t. And if we do, we probably have some daddy issues.
@@michelleamatulle6378 "social construct of patriarchy", "the need to always be tough and not vulnerable"
It's called biology and sexual selection, etc. Keep your ideology out of it. And I'm not going to take your word for it, because those "hypermasculine" men have the majority of the sex. So...that tells you which men women are attracted to.
Sees the title: Time to get the popcorn.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif Sir I'm sorry but you need to further figure out what the hell you're doing with your life, than read a lot of actual *factual* information as I fact checked you live time as false on a few things very easily. I'm a white male in the U.S. I find your premise pretty pitiful from all I've seen growing up until now. I grew up in the 80s. I've gotten jobs over people higher qualified then myself a few times because I'm a male that is white, I knew it as well and didn't like it. It's life at this time and hopefully changes for my daughter. Take care and please find yourself before you go full bore with this line of thought.
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif all of this... sounds like a you problem.
@@unreasonablyagreeable1081 Exactly!
@@hfyf7eufehfeufeifeifeif Masculinity is defined on every online dictionary as the quality, state, or characteristics of being a man/being manly. Yes, we can say those standards are socially constructed and that social norms change over time. But it's important to agree on the baseline definition because that's how arguments work. You define your premise, and whether or not you agree on the premise you have a baseline with which to argue from.
I am familiar with the concept of debates and using logical reasoning to argue your points, but Sam is an expert. If you can't agree on basic premises--or even agree that you don't agree--it's hard to have a meaningful debate. I don't know what prior experience you had defending your ideas but Sam does that for a living. If your premise is inherently flawed or you're not prepared to fully argue your ideas, he's going to make you look foolish.
@@whyamimrpink78 🤪🤪🤪
Wowsers...
Women actually do hit men more. they just don't do as much damage.
Not true. Women are more likely to use weapons
Wow so much hostility on display to this guy. Men die earlier than women in every country that I've checked that statistic. Male prisons in both the US and UK are so disgusting and violent that I'd rather be executed than spend ten years in a high security prison. Men and boys are overrepresented in most severe disabilities due to evolutionary reasons. All of these issues are legitimate and should not be met with this kind of response.
Does this mean that women and feminism are evil? Of course not. Does this mean everything that guy was talking about was right? No. But It's still very strange to respond so agressively to someone discussing potential men's issues.
Yeah a lot of MRA types clearly have some amount of misogyny. But the way Nomi responds to this caller she clearly has some amount of misandry
@@johnnytwotimes7854 Nomiki was rabid. You can tell she has literal hated for this guy just because he has slightly different politics than her. Shes a complete nutcase.
None of the things this guy said was right that was the problem. The guy also claimed none of this is knowable which leads us to believe he is a moron
At 3:56 Sam wants to keep it in the united states cause its inconvenient to his narrative and at 4:01 not even 5 seconds later he demands the caller to acknowledge the rest of the world to support his narrative. The hypocrisy and sheer levels of bad faith arguing from the hosts side is incredible.
Very sadly true.
How does limiting it to a progressive country where women have more rights than most other countries in the world help Sam? Taken Globally, women's basic human rights are still in serious question. MRA's look like utter morons when discussing countries where women have no individual rights. It was correct to limit the scope to the US, so both callers are discussing the same population and concerns.
@@alicelaybourne1620 So this is about Americans. Fine. Do you know how many of us are in other countries suffering from horrible divorce decisions, and who stay for their children? It's an international problem that way as well.
@@alicelaybourne1620 Because, guess what, globally everyone's basic human rights are in questions. Its a misleading rhetorical trick by Sam to restrict talks about mens right to the countries where everyone have the most rights and move the talk about women's right not even seconds later globally where everyone's rights are in question, making it seem like only women right that are lacking, when in reality it got nothing to do with women and everything with people. Its this kind of misleading tricks that sexist bigots wokees like Sam use to mislead idiots to think MRA are utter morons, because the idiots who believe Sam are so uneducated and lacking in knowledge they don't know better and how false and misleading Sam and woke crowd is. Any one with even an ounce of sense and knowledge sees right trough it and know the missandry that Sam is pushing is utterly false. It was deeply wrong and misleading of him to restrict the talk about mens right to US only and not even *seconds* later expand the talk to the rest of the world when talking about women's right.
You now have the knowledge you need to spot these kind false rhetoric's and evil behavior from Sam and the woke crowd, hopefully you will use it in the future to educate yourself and become a better person who don't so easily fall for the manipulative behaviors of bigots.
Would be interested to hear a proper conversation. I think Men's rights activists are ridiculous too, but this video quickly devolved into shallow 'gotcha's and Nomiki chiming in to add nothing but antagonism.
I'm no closer after watching this to understanding what motivates this guy, or whether he has any valid reason to want to defend men's rights. This type of dialogue shuts down any possibility of alternative viewpoints being considered.
Wow, Sam was an inconsiderate asshole out of the gate and Nomiki was a fucking child.
Yeah it was a very bad quality debate, nothing got properly developed...
I really am very disappointed in this episode. MRAs overwhelmingly come from a place of hate, and clearly women across the board have it worse than men, yet this almost works to try to convince people that isn't the case. All it was, was 3 people seemingly hatefully trying to misrepresent and antagonise a person that might actually recruit others to anti-feminism.
I found out about this channel because of the H3-Crowder thing, and wanted to see more dunking on Crowder-esque people, but if this is honestly how the channel goes, then I don't want to support it, as it seems obvious that it will only end up being a catalysing force for the alt-right.
@@Maverician i havent watched much either since i came from the H3H3 video too but I've seen good content, it was just this one so far that I felt was quite bad... I think when someone calls with an outrageous opinion like aguy in another video that calls to talk about the bell curve and intelligence difference between races to argue black people are inferior, in a situation like that its a totally valid way of arguing to ridiculize the position of the other person and to troll them a bit because of how far off and fringe their ideas are, but in a case like this one, I feel quite a good deal of conversation could have been done and it could have had a positive effect on this caller... i think some MRAs come from a position of hate and a decent conversation could be quite therapeutic in this aspect, and you also have some who just see an inequality and want to work against it, and with people like that, a good conversation could yield very good results and could make them see inequality problems in women and not just in men...
Nomiki basically mocked him like some neoliberal banshee for not being able to compete in the labour market
You three are a disgrace 🤦 Sam getting in feelings literally shouting at the dude and almost NEVER letting him finish. The MRA guy was patient and didn't raise his voice or give attitude yet y'all act like temperamental children 🤷
Glasses girl is so salty 😂
lmao, she soured the milk in my fridge just from being on screen O.o
It's not a libertarian caller, but it's the next best thing.
Eh, after a couple of libertarians I'm up for something different.
@@KoningFelix1 Lolbertarians.
This made me belly laugh.
I met someone like this IRL... It's like talking to a conspiracy nut. Goalposts moving everywhere, cherry picked statistics, and zero empathy or self awareness.
Sadly social media has boatloads of those
I've met a lot of people like this irl
Worse when it's a long-time friend.
Been there. Had to cut ties with the guy forever. Underneath all the blabbering and the bullshit statistics there lies a straight up sad misogynist.
@@alicankunta Are you married?
I don't side with this guy but prostate exams are something you start at 40 not 60
Yes and woman have breast screening, smear test, period problems and child birth oh and menapause lol. Our problems are not equal. He sounds like a kid whoever it is must be listening to Jordan peterson, he seems to be breeding a whole army of incels.
Really, here i was wondering why my doctor didn't recommend a prostate exam to me. I am 25
@@cybervoid8442 if you ask nicely, he might oblige.
@@cybervoid8442 the reason is that the medical establishment is far more concerned for women than for men
@@iangraham-white5717 preaching to the choir
That could have been debated without any shouting ... so undignified and childlike ..
For real, there are so many things wrong with this video I could name, and I'm not even half way in yet, but that part at 10:22 When the woman at the bottom gets angry had me disgusted. The way she reacted was so childlike, when she was the one who cut the caller off. And what she said when she cut him off wasn't even related to what he was talking about.
I don't get it. I don't see any issue with a guy supporting his gender's rights. He didn't disparage women or women's rights at all, yet was treated like a clown. Whether you agree or disagree with anything he presented, none of it was grounds for how childish the Female with the glasses treated him.
I agree. I walked away from this really frustrated with how they treated him. And then they wonder why he wants to have a 1 on 1 with Sam, idk, maybe because Sam was the only one willing to have a dialogue, instead of acting holier than thou.
Seder is a no-talent hack and on this topic all he has to offer is a lot of White Knight posturing that he hopes will please women.
Medicaid and Medicare will cover a prostate exam if your PCP refers you too a specialist.
Yup, I'm proof of it. This dude is a liar, full stop.
@@VMonkies Yeah, he was grasping at straws. There are certain societal roles placed on both genders, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
@@VMonkies God damnit this isn't mores code, just use punctuation. This "full stop" shit is cringe. 😂😂😂
This guy's "study" is known as the Milgram Experiment, which was not at all designed to answer the question he is claiming it did.
...and has since been discredited due to methodological shortcomings.
EXACTLY I was so confused on where he got that from? 😭
That's most studies that MRAs use to discredit feminism or even put down men that don't support them. The whole concept of "soy boys" is famously not based in reality and is used all the time by MRAs to put down men. They need another 100 years to really sort out their movement, something feminism has going for it since they been at this long before america existed.
People talking over each other doesn't really make for a good listening experience.
Unfortunately the caller refused to listen--which--incidentally is a common trait of "toxic masculinity." The male refuses to listen to female partner, bulldozes over her in discussions & when she asks him to listen to her perspective or her issue, he talks over her, walks out, refuses input --"toxic masculinity." It's as toxic to him as to her & yet these man-children are cannot hear & have chosen to stay stuck in their hell while blaming out.
@@steppenwolf3252 while you are correct, as a dude I've noticed men do it to eachother nearly as often. There's nothing more eye rolling than two guys mansplaining to each other. Just endless.
There's no point talking to bigots and misandrists.
@@woadblue Absolutely, Woad. I agree 100%--& neither party actually hears what the other is saying. It's a waste of time & can be very annoying & upsetting. "Mansplaining to each other"? hehehe...thanks for the giggle Woad. I just experienced this personally & ur msg helped brighten my day. 🖖
@@machida58 Yes...just a waste of time & energy
"That was a 30 minute conversation with a fedora" I'm dead
I'm a males' rights activist, but I still thought that line was brilliant lol
😂🤣😂🤣
I would actually like to debate a MRA activist because they are so many holes in this guys arguments.
The way they treat the guest is so unprofessional esp. the woman in the middle of the screen. And brining the topic of people of color is weak
I mean, this guy is obviously wrong but they could’ve been a little more civil imo.
Yeah they wasted 10 of those 28 minutes throwing out random questions that they didn't give him time to answer because somebody else wanted to talk. Not a good look for MR. They should take proper turns talking next time because that was chaos.
I think this was a case of the topic being just so absolutely ridiculous that it could be played for comedy instead of a proper debate
@@tristanmcfolley346 it's not ridiculous though. Patriarchy causes disparity that goes both ways (sometimes) the reason that men are expected to work overtime is because women are seen as primary care takers of children but also women are discouraged from overtime because it is less socially acceptable for men to be primary care takers of children. It cuts both ways.
There is a considerable number of people in the men's rights movement that are young, inexperienced, and don't have a very wide world view. I'm talking high school, university freshmen age. The only feminism they've been exposed to is seen through the lense of right wing reactionaries that they fall into when they go through an edgy phase. Lots of guys go through that phase, I did, many of my friends did, hell, Bo Burnham did, it's quite normal. Some however get stuck on 4chan.
Relating to these people and expanding their world view can only be done through agreement and like it or not patriarch and things like traditional gender roles are legitimate issues for some people. When we teach them that yes we hear you too, and show them that we understand and that those problems have the same root as the problems were fighting to change, we can legitimately win these kids over before it's too late.
@@randyconrad4155 at that point it’s not a matter of rights anymore tho. It’s a matter of teaching young, impressionable boys a solid perspective. That’s not a problem. The problem is simply presenting that mission as on an equal or even relative level as the movement for women’s rights
@@icecoldpierre he also just couldn't answer them because he doesn't know what he is talking about.
I know this guy personally. He was my neighbor for several years. He’s a very nice person and not at all what you would assume. In fact, he’s tall, good looking, and generally well-adjusted. A genuine and kind young man. We have wildly different politics, but we always got along and I even consider(ed) him a friend. My girlfriend liked him too.
Say what you will about him, but dude is a good faith actor who tries his best to approach the world honestly, based on his honestly-pretty-weird worldview.
If they had let him finish some of his points, they could have easily debunked his claims. Instead it was a scream fest. It makes me angry, and I actually agree with their points.
Road to hell and all that
@GBH lmao what evil is he complicit in?
Advocating for male victims of sexual or domestic abuse?
Who puts "Ive called into C-SPAN before" in their résumé. Prank phone callers call into C-SPAN
Certainly not a high bar to clear
Honestly that's how you know he is a debate lord. He calls into C span on the reg
Oh, this was a cringe to listen to and not because of the caller. Why can't you just listen to people? (I am of the left.)
They were deplorable. I don't want to listen to people treat a caller this way.
Just listening to the first couple minutes and I’ve already got my hackles up. Sorry Sam, it’s not very decent of you to narrow the conversation to a limited bandwidth so you can one up the caller - that’s a Crowder rhetorical tactic. Caller was not making the case that men are oppressed in absolutely everything, he is pointing to a few areas he feels there is disparity.
And the idea that Emma through out that women should get pension earlier due to living longer…what???? Surely that’s an argument got the opposite, men getting tot retire early due to earlier death.
Anyway, I’ll keep listening.
On the conversation narrowing... I think that's kind of a necessary for avoiding gish gallop. Otherwise the guy would continue churning out similar statements as if they contribute to his argument.
No, they missed the point everywhere on this. The caller was remarkably calm beside Nakomi trying her hardest to trigger him.
The caller is an idiot.
Agreed. This was the most trash I've seen in a while and only served to make me angry.
Woke scold twitter in a nut shell.
"Hey, I want to talk about mens issues."
"No. Woman have it worse. You don't get to."
Thats all this was.
@@FictitiousCtrlGames that wasn’t what happens but whatever
Why did the host at the bottom of screen get agitated so quick?
She's a professional feminist so it's her job.
@@Dreikoo golden response
If you were a woman you would understand
why do you think?
@@xLuis89x Pyrite response.
Why are you gonna pants yourself by calling Sam
LoL 😅😅
The shock experiments he’s talking about are the Stanley Milgram obedience/authority experiments in the early 60’s.
This would have been much more constructive if it wasn't 3 people just talking over 1. Emma and Sam were respectful enough but Nomiki just was so mean and bad faith for no reason. I feel like feminists and MRAs actually have a lot of common ground but it always gets sidetracked into an optics game where each side is just trying to mudsling.
Agreed
True! Both oppose the patriarchy even if MRAs can't identify problems.
They have nothing in common. There is a reason why MRAs see feminism as a threat, and most people hate feminism and have always. They have a bad rep for a reason so no, feminism and MRA are not the same.
I was with her all the way. This guy was DEFINITIONALLY bad faith. When you call in and refuse participate in the conversation when you realize you're being completely nailed on something, you become someone to be played with like a toy.
If he wants respect, he has to show himself worthy. He was a complete moron start to finish and damaged his cause more than most could.
Feminism is fashion that takes things that weren't broken and tries to fix them effectively making them worse, and MRA deals with real problems.
I wish you guys had let him talk.
I mean they just are trying to actually discuss the things he's saying. A lot of the time points get lost in discussion because you're waiting for some longwinded statement to end. If you hear something you disagree with, you should AT LEAST point that out
You never let someone spout falsehood after falsehood without calling them out on each one. Otherwise you end up missing some of their bullshit and they think they won that point.
Yes. Let's let a holes get what they want.
You're right, he would have made even more of a clown out of himself, and we could have laughed a lot more
@@nosavepoints exactly
These people are hilarious man. If we have an issue with healthcare, just guarantee healthcare as a right to everyone and end the discussion there. Like really
Like here in the UK, it's never discussed. Like NOT really.
This guy's 'men's rights issues' are only small on the list, as I have gone over them myself, as well as women's issues. Universal healthcare doesn't in anyway solve the issues men have in society. There's a reason that there's a large percentage of men with mental health issues and none of it is being addressed.
@@dylanthesea2976 🤨 you're aware that aside from powerful stigma, most people don't see therapists and so on because they can't afford it, right?
@@jaredgreathouse3672 I have my doubts about that considering both Medicaid & Medicare cover mental health costs. Where did you get that claim from?
@@bogusmcbogus2637 toy might want to take into account to qualify for Medicare you have to be in a close proximity to the poverty line. Most people wouldn't make the choice:
Be poor- get health care-but be poor and struggle with everything else vs being somewhat better off-with possible health care from your employer-not having to struggle to have your bills paid.
"tell you what Emma you can come too" I am SCREAMING
Yes haha he wanted to get away from Nokomis screeching and abuse and speak with two reasonable people haha how funny
@@ravenmusic6392 *You are trying to use logic in a Majority Report comment section.*
The saddest thing to me is that I actually think MR people could have a serious point in some regards but many times it feels like they are focused on knocking others down. The suicide rate among men is horrifically high. Many men (and others born with a penis) face genital mutilation at birth. I know a man who was raped by a woman and the police laughed at him when he reported it. There are serious issues they could tackle but many times they focus on petty stuff and are more driven by perceived slights from women than actually fighting causes that could really help many men.
The problem is, it felt like the feminists in this show were doing the same thing, Nomiki doing this whole thing about her throwing up was just dumb and childish. They were completely unwilling to hear out any of the points this guy made.
I think the problem is that you can fix most of these issues by following the more left leaning talking points. Such as healthcare for all including mental health support and destigmatizing needing therapy for both youth and adults, fixing the justice system as a whole, police reform, banning circumcision of minors, and forcing more equality in society by increasing minimum wage so men who have children don't get trapped working for under a living wage because they need something to support the family as opposed to nothing while searching for a better paying job and educating themselves which is expensive and very time consuming. Fixing those issues would give everyone more self worth and opportunity to get to a better place in society, also advocating for birth control, sex education, and abortion rights so that less men and women are trapped in a downward spiral from kids they didnt want. So if these are solutions to all these problems then they should join the band wagon of those already advocating for them instead of reeeeeing whenever a feminist is off base.
@@chibswhit4863 Correct, intersectional feminist accounts for men's issues. The problem is feminists like Nomiki completely disregarding that and expressing genuine contempt at the idea that men are facing problems in today's society.
@@kevinjohnanand yeah I always find it interesting when MRAs join the right wing circles and the only reason I can think of is because when 3rd wave feminism was blowing up the right did go on a MRA kick to discredit and counter the feminists with bizzare talking points that are correct but not relevant to the conversation. Like, just because someone is suffering more than you doesn't mean you're not suffering, however countering abortion bans with men getting custody less in court seems very disingenuous and quite frankly they kind of let the community get meme-ified so the younger generation truly sees it as a joke. And this has happened to BOTH MRAs and feminists, people would rather dunk on them instead of recognizing that there's a ton of issues with society that affect people differently, however can kind of be fixed in a simmilar way. Like women being seen as less threatening by a court of law so they tend to get off with lighter sentences, and men of color being seen as more threatening thus resulting in longer sentences because they look scarier to some people or some people assume they will re-offend if they do get a lighter sentence. It's kind of 2 different sides of the exact same issue and the way to stop it is to advocate for reform instead of fighting amongst ourselves about who's suffering more.
It doesnt really come down to rights. Off the top of my head I can only think of divorce court and custody of children when it comes to men's rights being infringed.
The real topic of discussion is equity of expectations. Yes there are more people at the table; yes men have to work harder than they did in the last. But we still have this expectation that we have to earn more than our partners. Have to be a rock and a provider. The expectations remain the same while the ability to fulfill them is getting harder.
It was unreal watching this live
Stopped what I was doing immediately 😁😂😂
This dude has joined the MR discord (a week prior to this call), been banned, was unbanned after this call, and banned a second time within 20 minutes. It was intense. We exploded when the call happened.
@@theneonexplorer I was in the discord too (still am), I don't talk a ton in there but it was unreal there too!!
19:18 that is verbatim what that dork said, this is painful…
The tone he had as he was denying it was fucking unreal.
I laughed, to be honest. This guy is trying so hard to be the victim.
my god right lmao that was verbatim what he said lol
So he legit joined the MR discord a week before this call and people would quote him directly back to him and he would argue that wasn't what he said and that we were debating in bad faith when people were COPYING HIS COMMENT back at him.
Completely agree with Sam and Emma.. Nomiki was particularly off putting and overblown.
Nomiki sucks, glad that she is probably not coming to the show after her embarrassing spoiling campaign at district 59
The dipstick was out of the gate dismissively referring to the female host and guest host , he got what he deserved. I have watched her disembowel fox hosts , herd to take this guy seriously when he can’t define masculinity, google it 😵💫
I would go out on a limb and stipulate she probably had more than her fair share of these conversations. He calls in to a show that she's on, ignores her, basically tells her to shut up (most likely because he's afraid to actually debate her) and completely dismisses her. She had all the right to go after him.
@Nick, it you get prostate cancer, you will learn that feminists made sure that many times more government funds are spent on breast cancer than prostate cancer
@@FilthyPhilify he had no idea who she was...lol
I hate the way this debate was handled. Just let him talk and quit teaming up against him. interrupting and belittling him doesnt make the left’s arguments ring true. The way they talk to him is the reason people hate the left! even though i agree with 99% of sam and his crew have to say, their poor handling of this conversation made leftists look belittling.
Why? He is a muppet who was using idiotic talking points because he would love for things to go back like they were in the 50s so he can feel better about himself. Why waste on someone like that?
Nomiki coming straight in with "uh so what's wrong with you psychologically?" made me wince. That's basically admitting you're not trying to go anywhere here
Well, leftists ARE belittling. And that was shown here. Not to say people on the right are any better. Both sides are full of assholes. That's what I've learned in the last few years.
@@zee4125 I think the fact that this comment section is full of leftists who are disappointed with this level of behavior belies that idea
This conversation was not constructive. I love Majority Report but they were attacking this guy. I can’t stand disgusting Republicans these days but this was not a constructive debate. To be honest this is why there will be no unity in this country. It’s gotten to a point where everyone is just attacking everyone. We are each other’s worst enemies. And I understand how it got this way. This is not going to change anytime soon. There will be a major shift that will fundamentally change this country for ever, if it doesn’t end its position in the world.
Yeah, it's a little disheartening to see so many people in the comments who are saying how awesome this video was. I don't agree with MRA's, but being condescending and putting words in someone's mouth is not how you win people over. If anything, it confirms what they believe is true about the Left.
Well said
The casual use of gender-fluid as an insult was so weird.
i'm not sure she was insulting him? it seemed contextually appropriate, and if this guy doesn't consider masculinity to be innate to his identity, he actually might be trans
@@briannazillgitt3197 wait what? Gender isn’t a binary so why would masculinity HAVE to be a part of his identity? Before you say “it’s cause he’s a men’s rights activist” no I’m a feminist and identity as a man.
@@briannazillgitt3197
Because I'm not a masculine male and don't identify as such, I'm now a trans person?
Lmao.
It’s not an insult, the way he defined masculinity was as a societal construct of expectations that is thrust upon men, and not as something that one performs.
@@davantejohnson5980 but she used it as an insult becoz she assumed he doesn't really believe in gender being fluid. She was attempting a 'gotcha'.
Nomiki always finds a way to make a good argument sound bad.
She’s right though 🤷♂️
Wait.. The "women die older therefore women should get pensions earlier than men" one?
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 that was Emma being dumb
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 *You are trying to use logic in a Majority Report comment section.*
This is my first time seeing her on the show, and I’ve gotta say, I’m glad I found it after she apparently left. This isn’t a Majority Report I’d subscribe to.
I’m sure this guy has done plenty of stuff in his “activism” to merit the dismissal and disrespect he got in this argument, but it isn’t self-evident in the 30 min clip like it has been the other times I’ve seen Majority Report debates take this sort of turn.
Playing the peanut gallery through most of the conversation and then implying the MRA dummy is being misogynistic for trying to debate primarily Sam?
Ffs, declaring herself a “professional feminist” and then proceeding to make a Men’s Rights spokesman look tactful by comparison?
If the point is some of these Men’s Rights claims to injustice are at least partially valid - but then lose that validity contextualized against rights disparities of basically every other class of people - what good would it possibly accomplish to invalidate and mock the feelings of the young men the Men’s Rights movement feeds on?
I'm a flat Earther who can't define flat.
LOL 😂
It's unknowable, what even is Earth? Who can say.
This is a terrible analogy. A better analogy would be if you're out in space and someone asks you to define up.
@@bogusmcbogus2637 In space no one can hear you whine.
@@bogusmcbogus2637 akshually, that's a terrible analogy because up is relativistic given any particular frame of reference. A flat earther self-identifies as one who's belief system and assertion of fact is reliant upon the characteristic definition of flat. At a minimum this individual should be able to provide a working definition of what it means to be "flat" given the static frame of reference that is "the plane" of Earth's surface.
Looking forward to that one-on-one conversation with Sam Sayder. Oh, Emma can along as well.
Mebbe next time, Nakimmy
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a weak, feeble-minded caller...
He pronounced her name "NoKIMI" LMFAOOOO (X"D)
😂😂😂😂
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq Well i mean her name is kinda dumb, so i cant blame him.
I don't agree with this guy but you guys got a little rude I've never seen this before. Not a good look. This isn't a debate you're just trying to fry this guy. This isn't what we're about. Reminds me of Fox News in reverse
Nomiki left a bad taste in my mouth but I thought Sam and Emma were as gracious as they possibly could have been. The caller was horrible himself though, and honestly wasted everybody’s time by pretending to know anything about anything
Normally I'm all about what you do on this show, but I can't abide how you treated this caller. Now, "Men's Rights" is a bit of a misnomer, it's more like men's issues communicating and advocacy. I have not personally seen this fellows content, I don't know his stances, but what I do know is there has been an overcorrection on some of these issues. Just because somebody's problems are "less than" whatever you've been through doesn't mean that the problem isn't serious or this person is suffering. As a domestic/sexual abuse victim who is a male I found your stance on that pretty upsetting. You don't/can't tell anybody, they'll laugh in your face, cuz I'm a man, I'm supposed to be on the giving end of that kind of behavior, right? Or whatever justification for sweeping this issue under the rug, cuz it's not as bad as what women go through at the hands of actually abusive men. You didn't even let him articulate a single point before dismissing this guy entirely, then you wonder how people like Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson have so many followers (it's because they're the only ones saying to men and boys "it's ok to be who you are, you're not a joke") women spend more money on visiting the doctor, because you actually go to the doctor, I can't tell you how many broken digits and illnesses I've willed myself through because of A the price and B the stigma of probably not having anything to bother a doctor about.
TL,DR I love the show but I did not love this clip of this interaction
It isnt "mens issues" at all, its a bunch of whining, they want rape to be legal, they say it should be a property issue where you have to pay the owner a fine for it. Go up on one of their stupid websites and see for yourself, its scary stuff. Racists also say theyre just for advocacy
@@Atmost11 I said I haven't consumed any of this guy's content. I comment regularly on r/MensLib so I thought maybe he was doing something like that.
Sam should have been even harsher on that incel
@@billmozart7288 If you've been up there then you ought to know what is up there, and therefore, you should admit what is up there.
@@Atmost11 What? Been where? What goes on in r/MensLib is apparently entirely different from the callers TH-cam channel. I know a lot of what's up, but you've lost me
"Women can't work overtime cus they have kids" you mean they made a choice so they're seeing the consequence? Can't handle the accountability?
Also doesn't this assume they have children? Why can't a childless woman work overtime?
Ikr! Also, I guess single working dads are fantasy creatures akin to the unicorn 😂
@@lachgwaloth people will often say that it takes two people to make a baby but if a man asks his girl to abort he's looked at like he's some kind of monster who doesn't deserve a say, another nasty double standard