There are actually quite a few mystical approaches that can have that effect, it seems magic users really don't like people with higher intelligence, probably has something to do with the ability to think critically and question things, those two thought processes usually have a way of undermining magic, especially when it comes from another magic-user.
Fun fact: this episode is actually out of place on Disney+ meaning not even Disney who made S2 know where the episode is supposed to go... I've reported this to them before but they never bothered to change it
No lie, I thought this was going to be about the time Dr. Doofensmirtz took away the Avengers powers in that Phineas and Ferb crossover. That might be a fun April Fools Day episode to look at.
@@carlinc.christensen3478 it's technically not even avengers assemble it's like a Phineas and Ferb avengers so it's not connected to anything at all not a crossover between tv shows a crossover between comic characters
Oh yeah, I forgot that was also a thing really hope he does it on April Fools with the title being a look back on the Avengers losing their powers to make us think he is talking about emh but then it cuts to Phineas and Ferb.
Anyone else notice how Hawkeye is just a pro? He by and large just relies on skill. I liked in Thor he considered a rifle, than grabs a bow. He's sometimes arrogant, but he earned it. I love Cap. But Clint is the perfect soldier without a boost. I loved when Clint made a splint for Thor and then made makeshift arrows.
Captain america is basically the perfect soldier, clint was born with one advantage, no massive genetic weaknesses cap was born with all the brains, the tactical mind but with a weak body, the super soldier serum didnt enhance his mind nearly as much as it did his body removing the asthma and illness that plagued steve even a steve in an identical body to hawkeye would out rank hawkeye
@@cosmicgrub360 Wrong!~ Nine stories out of ten, Steve's tactical mind and intellect also came from the serum. It enhanced his mind a lot more. Steve was chosen for his heart. His bravery. If Steve didn't have the serum, he wouldn't be an avenger. If Hawkeye had the serum? Well, he'd gain all the same reflexes and strength as Captain America, and the same strategic brilliance. Along with his own extreme fighting talent and his extreme skill with a bow.
It was best said by zemo and bucky in falcon and the winter soldier, the serum only accentuates what is already there, it corrupts all but steve, a true, good man, but there has never been another steve rodgers, even with hawkeye, despite his good nature, even he would eventually be corrupted and twisted by the serum
Hawkeye never played catch up in EMH, he considered himself too good for a group he has to save every week. And he was right. It's true in the comics... say it with me, "depending on the writer"... but in EMH, he was never out of his element. "Everyone's turned into Gamma Monsters? Who do I know who's knows this stuff? Banner. How do I get Banner out of the Hulk?" Hawkeye to Hulk "I'll beat you physically." Hulk:: "HA!" And Hulk was so amused he turned back into Banner which is how Hawkeye beat him. Hawkeye's experience gives him cunning, his cunning keeps him two steps ahead of the other guy. Clint wasn't included in Amora's spell not because he was underestimated, I think it's he can't be broken down by one quality. "He's a supernaturally accurate archer!" Yeah... but what puts him in the most advantageous position for that one accurate shot?
I think so too Iron Man allways depends on his tech and intelligence, Captain America may allways had the heart and the will but deep down he also thought who would he been without the Serum, Thor allready was good explained in the Video. But Hawkeye he knows who he is what he made wrong in the past and what is all his good and bad behavior he knows and accept himself how he is. You can also see this in other versions of animated Avengers Series like this one that plays in the same universe as Ultimate Spiderman and Hulk and the Agents of Smash. In the Avengers series of this universe there is an Episode were the Avengers switch bodys because of M.O.D.O.K. and the Mindstone. Rigth after the Body Switch everyone tried to act like the body in that they are like Hawkeye tried to use Mjollnir because he was in Thors body, Black Widow just tried smashing things because she was in Hulk´s body and so on. At the end of the Episode Hawkeye was the very first who had the idea that assured the victory he stopped trying to copy Thor ut instead used Thors body combined with his own skills and after that everyone tried the same and they beat M.O.D.O.K. wich bye the way was in this episode in control of the Hellicarrier.
I made my girlfriend watch the series and she was so disappointed they didn’t finish this storyline. Then I had her watch avengers assembled and she turned off the tv lmao
@@jackventure3703 no, replacing EMH was like getting your testicles ripped off and replaced with a new pair that don’t do anything and are just inferior
Tony losing his intelligence reminds me of the story where he had to delete all the knowledge in his mind to keep Norman osborne from getting it. While on the run you just see him lose his brilliance bit by bit until he's eventually little more than a vegetable. He was at the peak of his influence and status as one of the greatest minds and watching him fall like that, after Civil war sure, alot of people were ready to see that downfall, but its tough to read as an Iron man fan.
Honestly I first say this episode a few months ago when rewatching the show on Disney+. I was looking through Season 2 and it was like “Wait I’ve never seen this episode before wtf” so that was certainly interesting!
This is so strange cause as a kid I had cable for only a few years before my parents switched to satellite to save money, but I totally remember seeing this episode during my watch through of EMH, loved it even then honestly
I for sure remember seeing it on TV between the Loki tries to conquer the 9 realms arc and before the skrull secret invasion arc. I distinctly remember it falling before the Spiderman guest spot episode where Spidey and Cap spend half the episode crawling through the same stretch of sewers and subway tunnels as the depowered Avengers did in this one.
I watched the series on Netflix and was unaware that this episode was cut in other things. It still annoys me that they didn't get renewed and all for toy sales and horizontal marketing.
We last so many good shows because of Disney buying marvel, iron man armored adventures season 3 and wolverine and the x-men season 2. Why is it good marvel shows always get canceled but the crappy ones stick around I wish they would treat there animated shows like DC treats there’s
Its a shame this show got cancelled because it started introducing more into it, Ragnarok, Surtur, X-Men, Spider-Man and so on. The shows we got in replacement just went downhill as they progressed. Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers Assemble, Agents of Smash and Ultimate Spider-man had none of the charm this show had built. I think those shows are all finished with now so marvel/ disney could always revive this series one day. A man can hope.
I mean, it sort of is. He built a power armor with scraps in a cave, when all the material he should've had access to was able to make a bomb. He also created a new element. Considering Tony Stark in EMH is fully modeled after RDJ, I think at least Iron Man 1 is canon to EMH too.
I'm in agreement on that front. I also think they started using EMH as a template for the MCU then decided that it would be more worthwhile to not do that part way through the production of some of the movies. You can almost see the same story beats in early MCU movies and EMH when you hold them up next to each other.
You also have to see that earth mightiest heroes is a animated series so it less have less budget the voice actors just have to do a month of lines,animation 2 of month to animate,have complete liberty of characters The MCU is on movies and they can throw a bunch of characters in the same movie for 20 times at year Both are great
Powerless is pretty high on my list, I think my first time seeing it was a sort of marathon of the series they ran on Disney XD during the build-up to the series finale. And even after all these years, I am still hoping for a season 3 of EMH to happen, mostly because Disney now has direct access to the metrics regarding the viewing preferences of their shows and movies, which means they can actually see just how well-loved, and watched, EMH is, in addition to purchases of physical and digital copies of the series for the private collections of fans to watch on other platforms. And I am with you, Powerless is a great look at Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man when they have super part of who they are stripped from them and we get to see their mindsets as characters and what the absence of these powers mean to them, they are in essence stripped down to the core of their characters. And the thing about Hawke Eye is that we know from his interactions in prior episodes, and the episode itself, with all the other members of the Avengers, especially those 3, is that even if he had been stripped of his fancy bow and assortment of advanced arrows all the way back to a more traditional medieval arsenal nothing would really change about him as a character. What makes Hawk Eye such an incredible ordinary person isn't that he had some natural talent or superior training or was born with access to resources or any innate powers, what makes him so incredible is that he knew he had no natural skills and chose to train in those skills out of necessity. Something I think a lot of people miss about Enchantress's depowering spell, aside from what probably flew over their heads before it was explained in this video, is that the spell specifically took away powers and abilities that were granted or innate to the individual, which is why Tony's magical lobotomy happened (Tony was always an innate technologically capable individual), Captain America's powers were granted to him by the super-soldier serum (the power it granted magnified his innate personality), And Thor lost access to both his mystical abilities and godly strength (both of which were innate to him as part of his unique lineage). But that's not the way for Hawk Eye, he had to work to get to where he was, because of his background as both a member of the Circus of Crime and S.H.I.E.L.D. agent both forced him to work for what he earned and prove his skills in trying situations.
With my mom we just finished watching EMH a week ago, and she is sad that there are no more episodes Idk how many times I had to explain her that the show ended 9 years ago
I don’t get what people mean by unaired I remember watching this episode on TV as a kid because I’ve never gotten Disney+ or went looking for this show on TH-cam.
I think here in Mexico and Latinamerica the episode was indeed aired too. Anyways, I agree with you. This episode highlights the main characteristic of Marvel: Humanity. Great episode! I still wonder about this episode though, since it seems that, at the end, Surtur and Amora can't trust Loki, although in season 3 it seems they work togheter, and Loki is again trusted with destroying the Earth and the Avengers
I guess maybe the events of this episode is what would have led Loki to acquiesce to Enchantress/Surtur's command? Like, I can see Season 1 Loki not accepting being their subordinate, but after this defeat he can't really argue.
@@PillarofGarbage yeah, guess you are right. Hey, have you thought about making a Discord or some place to communicate? I think that with all the growth you have got we can build some nice community
@@hendrickeldragonquepierdee8146 I wouldn't know how to run a discord at all :D but if other people ask for something like that as well I'd definitely look into it!
@@nicholascahyadi2770 personally I really like what if, and it isn't replacing it considering that they are focused on different things. Avengers assemble was a reason why emh stopped airing while what if isn't. Plus I like the stories in what if because some of them are really interesting
@@JKgyaru6969 no that was the second to last episode. It was always going to happen at that point though. Season three was going to partly focus on the Ragnarok story
7:26 Hawkeye actually has pretty impressive powers in this show... like the ricochets he pulls off sometimes are like... they require a beyond human level of instinct or math.
@@nicholasclintace6436 exactly, kind of shame they didn't do something more like that in the MCU like even the "hawkeye has no powers" and the actor making a song about it... which was funny but also I was screaming "yes he does" he does have powers just not in the MCU apparently
@@noahwattel4226 the music is not wrong by the comics logic, he's actually a great marksman that just trained so much he can't miss, yes he does quite a lot of superhuman feats, in the MCU, emha, assemble and so on, but all the writing teams still considers it as just very good trained aim.
@@Rockmanbalboa yeah that's cool and all but Imma call Cap when he knocks several people out by ricocheting like a pebble of a wall through a reflection. His feats in the MCU are fairly unimpressive compared to BS like that. So it's a super power to me, in the sense that there's no way that's possible for a normal human being.
First time I saw Powerless was on my first viewing of EMH on Netflix. I guess I was just one of the lucky ones. Anyway, as fun as the episode was when I watched it, I will admit to having some beef with it on my second viewing. The entire episode seems to have a point of Thor learning to be humble, but that never seems to be much of a problem before this episode? The one with Spiderman and Captain America was one I really liked because it built off the Skrull Invasion episodes a few episodes back, and that's one that I think worked really well as a character driven story, but for Thor learning humility, I just felt it was done better in the episode with the Malekith episode. Anyway, that's all I gotta say. I really need to sleep now.
I think if you watch how Thor acts before this episode with ‘powerless’ in mind, you can see a little bit of a superiority complex in him. Not a big one by any means, and he deeply respects his teammates, but I think given his previous attitude, it’s reasonable that having his godhood stripped away would destroy any sense of self-worth he has. But it is a little clumsy, perhaps.
Funny enough, I bought the complete series of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes on DVD & this episode was inside season 2 DVD. This episode was pretty interesting. Showing that even without powers, as long as you have the spirit & heart of a hero, you are still seen as a hero in people's eyes. Let's not forget that there are still doctors, policemen, firemen, etc. And these people are also seen as heroes, because they always do everything they can to do the right thing, no matter how hard it is.
I love this show and I think that it’s probably the best piece of Marvel Animation (including Spectacular Spider-Man, I like that show too, but I think this one has the edge.) When it was first airing, I loved it, but I don’t remember watching this episode, partially because I moved, and being like 7, I didn’t know how to find it on the new TV. But years later, it was on Netflix, and I watched it again, and I fell in love all over again. This episode was listed in the correct spot there, and it makes me so upset Disney+ has it as the finale. Still, great job, it’s nice to see someone still praising this show for all of the things I always have.
I rewatched Earth's Mightest Heroes a few years back and Powerless was one of my favourite episodes. I love the occasional episodes that go into the characters more than plot. Plus the theme song of the whole show was what kept me returning back when I was a kid and made me go looking for it as a teen at the time as I had never fully watched the series, or believed I hadn't anyway. And I wish they continued on with this series instead of Avengers Assemble. I could not watch more than 3 episodes. And it's the last episode of season 2 of Earth's Mightest Heroes is probably the only one I dislike, mainly because it felt rushed as they had to wrap up the series.
by the way, comparing what if with Ehm is something that has been happening to me since I started with the series, and I don't think it will stop, because there is still enough left. I don't remember all of them now, but a couple of examples would be (spoiler) -When at the end of episode 3 Loki is speaking to humanity and telling them that he is going to be their king and all, it reminded me of, obviously, the epic Captain Skrull speech -the end of episode 4, where the protagonist realizes that everything he did so far for love led him to madness and uncontrolled power, so he ends up heartbroken and isolated from everything, and then the credits begin and end silently. That describes what if episode 4 and Michael korvac episode perfectly
There’s also the whole ‘Hydra summoning extra-dimensional beings in WW2’ thing from episode 1! I haven’t seen the most recent one yet myself, but I’m definitely keeping my eyes peeled for any nods to EMH Ultron in it.
@@PillarofGarbage Oh right, I don't know how I noticed it before, it's one of my favorite episodes! There were other good ones that I do not remember now but I will surely mention them in some other video of one of the series, since I did not see today's episode either (surely something related to Ultron and vision, I will keep both eyes on the screen)
I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of this episode. Nothing personally against it, but the concept of the “losing losing their power and learning humility” is something I’ve seen again and again before. While the ending makes me wonder if the Destroyer armor will ever be used again, this isn’t one of the episodes I’d watch like Yellowjacket or Masters of Evil. When I do watch this episode, it’s mostly to see Hawkeye and the Enchantress.
I agree it’s an overused trope, but I have a soft spot for stories where character and personal development is more of a focus than action, and I think this episode is one of the highlights of EMH in terms of seeing what makes a character tick (including for Hawkeye!)
I personally think that Trope can be interesting, if you try to aboard it in a new way. Like for example what if it was the opposite, by gaining powers, a normal character lose step by step his humility and humanity. Or what if after an experience with losing his power that turned really bad, the godlike character is now even more condescending towards normal civilians because he experienced and know their powerlessness.
It's weird that this never aired apparently. I remember watching it, but never owned any dvds. Mayhaps I caught it during a marathon rerun or something. I still lament the shows end and wish it didn't get the axe alongside Transformers Animated for the sake of "movie accurate representation".
@@nopenopington2880 Despite its flaws, I consider Prime to be one of my favorite Transformers series ever. I really just wish they didn't make Bee mute like has been the trend at the time.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Oh of course! I loved Prime as well and was only introduced to Animated because of rerun that I think followed it after MLP. Sadly Prime got shafted in a lot of ways too
I'm in the US and I've definitely seen this episode before, but I can't remember if I saw it on Disney XD or on Netflix when the show was still on there...
As mentioned in the post, I saw the series on DVDs (but approximately at the time it was still on the air, between 2010-2014), and I was able to enjoy this great episode, although I'm not sure if in my country it was on television. Either way, you narrate the show's interesting off-camera facts pretty well, and I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
I was a big fan of the show when I grew up watching it, but I've only seen this episode some years ago, when I got my hands on the DVD of the end of the series (this is my fav ep from the dvd, together with the ending ep with Galactus)
I believe it was added into circulation with re-runs a while after the series ended, but many had stopped watching at that point, and had no idea of its existence unless they picked up a DVD!
I remember watching this episode as a kid I never thought much of it but after i watched the show last year on Disney+ I did find it odd that it was the last episode in the order of the show i didn’t know it never aired in the U.S. cause I’m in the U.S.
I love how into this series this guy is. I was on top of it when it came out. I dont remember watching it on Disney XD. I was watching it online instead. I didn't miss this episode so I never new it didn't air here. I didn't really like the episode much anyway. The heroes kinda became weenies without their powers which I thought was a bit overkill but it was an EMH episode so that automatically makes it leagues beyond a lot of other stuff. I guess until I make my own cartoon I will be looking for the next hot Japanese property to keep me entertained.
Using Superman and Batman to contrast Marvel vs DC just does not work because, well Batman. In fact, you yourself found yourself using the term "strength of character" to describe Batman. Bruce may seem less human than Parker, but that is primarily only because of the age difference. Compare Parker to Nightwing, and you will see a lot less differnce.
I hate one aspect about this. Iron-man being susceptible to that spell. He uses technology! And Captain American didn't need lesson of humility. Thor maybe, but not Cap.
I’m from the US, and I remember thatwhen I was younger, there being some sort of australian (I think) tv channel that aired this show, and had full episodes posted to their website. It was actually quite a couple episodes ahead of the american version, so I was able to watch episodes a few months in advance. One of the episodes was this one (powerless), and I remember being really surprised when they skipped over it in the American broadcast
I just found your channel. I was a huge fan of this version of the Avengers. I became rather disappointed by Avengers Assemble replacement because this version was so good. It's great to discover that there's a community of people that share the same affection for it. Thank you for doing these videos.
This episode would be better if the whole core team end up powerless as well, and they have to figure out a way to get out of this situation I can imagine hawkeye losing his archery skills, janet lossing her wings, carol losing her miss marvel powers. I disagree the episode is not a good one
Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were caught in the area of effect, Hawkeye wasn't. The spell was meant for Thor alone, Tony and Steve were just collateral damage.
This confirmed a theory I had when I recently binged it on Disney+. I thought it was an odd choice for the final episode of the series, so I figured something weird must have happened with it during initial release
I think you might have some facts turned around. EMH was produced by Disney as a way to promote the Avengers before the movie came out. Some execs were worried the audience wouldn't know who these guys were and why they were fighting together. Remember Phase 1 was only connected by a cameo here or there and a post credit scene. EMH followed in the mold of B:TAS, X-men and Spider-Man. Do what was fun to prime kids and adults to buy tons of merchandise. Once Avengers blew away Box Office expectations, they wanted a series more in sync with the movies. But EMH didn't fail. It succeeded in what Disney wanted out of it and moved on. A bit cold-hearted, but something familiar to fans of Gargoyles, Goof Troop, Mighty Ducks, Aladdin, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Clone Wars can emphasize with.
So many good cartoons were killed in the early 2010s, Clone Wars, EMH, YJ. Such a shame because these 3 were literally my favourites growing up, I’d watch and re watch them all the time on Netflix. Clone wars and YJ came back, even if the latter wasn’t nearly as good as it could have been, so I don’t see why we couldn’t make enough noise to get EMS another season too.
Unfortunately, that episode was also affected by Man of Action before not airing on TV, but I still like it, though I feel like it could've been better. And man.... 🎶 🎵 in the end though 😊. I'll give you 👍
Hey, I made it into a video. I love this episode so much! I really wish it was listed as episode 15, like it was intended (I originally saw it when the show used to be on Netflix, and it was listed correctly there.) It's not a huge deal in this case, but as a huge Firefly fan, I know how important viewing order can be.
Actually, this has always been my least favorite episode of the show. It feels like a lazy retelling of the first Thor movie for no good reason. Loki and the Destroyer seem to be in it just because they were in the movie - I can't fathom why Enchantress and Surtur would need Loki's help with this, and the Destroyer is never mentioned before or after. Also, the show has established that each of the heroes were active for some time before joining the Avengers, so I would have assumed this version of Thor has already been through some kind of test of humility - he never came off as particularly arrogant or haughty before this. The spell also seems wildly inconsistent. Why does Tony get to keep his Mark 1 armor? Can you really get rid of Mjolnir with just some magic? Why does no one else ever do that, then? It seems to work the way it does because the plot needs it to, rather than having any logical basis. You also said that this episode sets up the plot with Surtur and Ragnarok, but I'm pretty sure we don't learn anything here that isn't established in Acts of Vengeance and the Ballad of Beta Ray Bill. I do think that the concept at the core of this story - stripping away the powers of the Avengers and examining who they would be without them, focusing on who they are as people and their interactions with each other - is the base of a really strong and powerful narrative.
It's not perfect, but I think there's enough of that interesting core concept to make it a really interesting one. AFAIK, tentative plans for Season 3 had Loki attacking the Avengers again at the behest of Surtur - so Enchantress' and Surtur's subjugation of Loki in this episode is at least one new thing we learn. And maybe less so in Season 2 (although Skrull arc Tony does spring to mind here), but Season 1 Iron Man is often very arrogant IMO!
@@PillarofGarbage Oh, it's always a good lesson for Tony! I just kind of assumed Thor had gone through something similar to the first Thor movie already, so it felt redundant for him, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.
I find it ironic that Disney wanted some synergy among their shows, which.. fair enough.. an animated connected universe is totally fine.. yet ironically later grabbed all the old Marvel animated shows and were like "yo here they are now for people to watch on Disney+" even that old Iron Man show from NICK is there I think.. so like.. now it's more of a kick since people now will watch these shows and some kids won't understand why they just stop instead of having proper endings
Fun fact: this episode is actually out of place on Disney+ meaning not even Disney who made S2 know where the episode is supposed to go... I've reported this to them before but they never bothered to change it
I actually remember watching this episode when it came on Disney. I wish they followed up the Ragnarok plot in the third season, but alas it never came to be.
I have a small bit of hope for the 90’s Spider-Man show and EMH for one reason. Maybe if the X-Men 97 revive goes well they will revive other loved shows like those two or now that Spectacular is coming to Disney+ maybe we will get a season 3 in 97 does well but I don’t expect it
I saw this episode on Netflix when I was watching the series for the first time (outside the episode where red hulk was introduced. I saw that one on TV and THAT was my introduction to the show). So I’d say I got fortunate. I didn’t even know it was a lost episode.
I don’t remember not seeing this episode during the original airing or while rewatching… anyway, I wish Marvel has the good sense to bring this back X-men 97 style someday. Best Avengers cartoon ever.
I don't know if I ever knew this wasn't available. I can't remember when I first watched EMH, I know it was a very long time ago, certainly years before D+ was a thing. I know I saw it then.
I never would've known that if I didn't watch this video since I watched the show on Netflix and it was right there along the others. Though I did find it weird that it was in it's regular order there but it was put after the last episode on Disney Plus.
I remember watching this episode! Okay, Thor became mortal now wears a black shirt, jeans and holds a sledgehammer. Cap becomes skinny again holding a trash can lid? Iron man has his classic suit on.
Best? I hated this episode because it was a blatant retread of the Thor movie, at a time when Jeph Loeb and company decided to dumb down Marvel Animation to make it talk down to kids and focus on shilling the movies. Thor never was as proud or ignorant as he was in the first movie, making the whole lesson fall flat.
How to debuff Iron man: just make him a fucking moron
There are actually quite a few mystical approaches that can have that effect, it seems magic users really don't like people with higher intelligence, probably has something to do with the ability to think critically and question things, those two thought processes usually have a way of undermining magic, especially when it comes from another magic-user.
Fun fact: this episode is actually out of place on Disney+ meaning not even Disney who made S2 know where the episode is supposed to go... I've reported this to them before but they never bothered to change it
Iron Man: red ones go phastah!
@@dracone4370 that’s ironic given that there generally always is a sort of science to magic
Where did you get that profile pic
No lie, I thought this was going to be about the time Dr. Doofensmirtz took away the Avengers powers in that Phineas and Ferb crossover. That might be a fun April Fools Day episode to look at.
Lmao, now that you’ve reminded me that exists I will definitely make a video on it at some point - maybe April’s a bit far away though!
I love that Phineas and Ferb episode!! It's honestly the only Avengers Assemble episode I've watched all the way through!! Hahaha 😂🤣😂🤣
@@carlinc.christensen3478 it's technically not even avengers assemble it's like a Phineas and Ferb avengers so it's not connected to anything at all not a crossover between tv shows a crossover between comic characters
I always though that it is a missed oportunity to use the avengers and his respective villians instead of dr. Doom and the fantastic four.
Oh yeah, I forgot that was also a thing really hope he does it on April Fools with the title being a look back on the Avengers losing their powers to make us think he is talking about emh but then it cuts to Phineas and Ferb.
Anyone else notice how Hawkeye is just a pro? He by and large just relies on skill. I liked in Thor he considered a rifle, than grabs a bow. He's sometimes arrogant, but he earned it.
I love Cap. But Clint is the perfect soldier without a boost. I loved when Clint made a splint for Thor and then made makeshift arrows.
Captain america is basically the perfect soldier, clint was born with one advantage, no massive genetic weaknesses cap was born with all the brains, the tactical mind but with a weak body, the super soldier serum didnt enhance his mind nearly as much as it did his body removing the asthma and illness that plagued steve even a steve in an identical body to hawkeye would out rank hawkeye
@@cosmicgrub360
Wrong!~
Nine stories out of ten, Steve's tactical mind and intellect also came from the serum.
It enhanced his mind a lot more. Steve was chosen for his heart. His bravery.
If Steve didn't have the serum, he wouldn't be an avenger.
If Hawkeye had the serum? Well, he'd gain all the same reflexes and strength as Captain America, and the same strategic brilliance.
Along with his own extreme fighting talent and his extreme skill with a bow.
It was best said by zemo and bucky in falcon and the winter soldier, the serum only accentuates what is already there, it corrupts all but steve, a true, good man, but there has never been another steve rodgers, even with hawkeye, despite his good nature, even he would eventually be corrupted and twisted by the serum
Hawkeye never played catch up in EMH, he considered himself too good for a group he has to save every week. And he was right.
It's true in the comics... say it with me, "depending on the writer"... but in EMH, he was never out of his element. "Everyone's turned into Gamma Monsters? Who do I know who's knows this stuff? Banner. How do I get Banner out of the Hulk?" Hawkeye to Hulk "I'll beat you physically." Hulk:: "HA!" And Hulk was so amused he turned back into Banner which is how Hawkeye beat him.
Hawkeye's experience gives him cunning, his cunning keeps him two steps ahead of the other guy. Clint wasn't included in Amora's spell not because he was underestimated, I think it's he can't be broken down by one quality. "He's a supernaturally accurate archer!" Yeah... but what puts him in the most advantageous position for that one accurate shot?
I think so too Iron Man allways depends on his tech and intelligence, Captain America may allways had the heart and the will but deep down he also thought who would he been without the Serum, Thor allready was good explained in the Video.
But Hawkeye he knows who he is what he made wrong in the past and what is all his good and bad behavior he knows and accept himself how he is.
You can also see this in other versions of animated Avengers Series like this one that plays in the same universe as Ultimate Spiderman and Hulk and the Agents of Smash.
In the Avengers series of this universe there is an Episode were the Avengers switch bodys because of M.O.D.O.K. and the Mindstone.
Rigth after the Body Switch everyone tried to act like the body in that they are like Hawkeye tried to use Mjollnir because he was in Thors body, Black Widow just tried smashing things because she was in Hulk´s body and so on.
At the end of the Episode Hawkeye was the very first who had the idea that assured the victory he stopped trying to copy Thor ut instead used Thors body combined with his own skills and after that everyone tried the same and they beat M.O.D.O.K. wich bye the way was in this episode in control of the Hellicarrier.
Hawkeye also doesn’t have superpowers? He’s just a dude that is super good at archery.
I made my girlfriend watch the series and she was so disappointed they didn’t finish this storyline. Then I had her watch avengers assembled and she turned off the tv lmao
Honestly, deserved. Assemble will never beat EMH ever
@Romanogers4ever But if I was the girlfriend, if he or she showed me Spectacular Spider-man. I'll come back straight back.
Replacing Earth’s Mightiest Heroes with Avengers Assemble was a major punch in the crotch.
@@jackventure3703 no, replacing EMH was like getting your testicles ripped off and replaced with a new pair that don’t do anything and are just inferior
@@JustAguy006 spectacular Spider-Man was really good and had arguably the best dr octopus
Tony losing his intelligence reminds me of the story where he had to delete all the knowledge in his mind to keep Norman osborne from getting it. While on the run you just see him lose his brilliance bit by bit until he's eventually little more than a vegetable. He was at the peak of his influence and status as one of the greatest minds and watching him fall like that, after Civil war sure, alot of people were ready to see that downfall, but its tough to read as an Iron man fan.
Do you know where that is from
@@TrademarkedIPAdress Story is called Stark: Disassembled
@@joshjones9749 Thanks
Honestly I first say this episode a few months ago when rewatching the show on Disney+. I was looking through Season 2 and it was like “Wait I’ve never seen this episode before wtf” so that was certainly interesting!
I can only imagine how exciting finding a new EMH episode 10 years on was :D
It happened to me too, I always thought the Galactus chapter was the last.
@Kimmy Boy I knew it! I was so sure the show started with the origins!
@Kimmy Boy I remember hearing somewhere that the Disney plus episode order is based on production coad instead of release date
*saw dummy
This is so strange cause as a kid I had cable for only a few years before my parents switched to satellite to save money, but I totally remember seeing this episode during my watch through of EMH, loved it even then honestly
Yeah I remember the episode as well
I remember watching it when it came out…
Same I watch it to
I saw it in its original run too…maybe it wasn’t shown in some places…
I for sure remember seeing it on TV between the Loki tries to conquer the 9 realms arc and before the skrull secret invasion arc. I distinctly remember it falling before the Spiderman guest spot episode where Spidey and Cap spend half the episode crawling through the same stretch of sewers and subway tunnels as the depowered Avengers did in this one.
I watched the series on Netflix and was unaware that this episode was cut in other things. It still annoys me that they didn't get renewed and all for toy sales and horizontal marketing.
Thank Disney and the mcu for wanting characters and a team more in line with the movies
We last so many good shows because of Disney buying marvel, iron man armored adventures season 3 and wolverine and the x-men season 2. Why is it good marvel shows always get canceled but the crappy ones stick around I wish they would treat there animated shows like DC treats there’s
Its a shame this show got cancelled because it started introducing more into it, Ragnarok, Surtur, X-Men, Spider-Man and so on.
The shows we got in replacement just went downhill as they progressed. Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers Assemble, Agents of Smash and Ultimate Spider-man had none of the charm this show had built.
I think those shows are all finished with now so marvel/ disney could always revive this series one day. A man can hope.
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It’s funny how Tony’s intelligence (and intelligence in general) is treated as a super power rather than a natural born skill.
It's because normal humans are stupid
I mean, it sort of is. He built a power armor with scraps in a cave, when all the material he should've had access to was able to make a bomb. He also created a new element. Considering Tony Stark in EMH is fully modeled after RDJ, I think at least Iron Man 1 is canon to EMH too.
I think in many ways EMH is actually superior to the MCU films.
I'm in agreement on that front. I also think they started using EMH as a template for the MCU then decided that it would be more worthwhile to not do that part way through the production of some of the movies. You can almost see the same story beats in early MCU movies and EMH when you hold them up next to each other.
You also have to see that earth mightiest heroes is a animated series so it less have less budget the voice actors just have to do a month of lines,animation 2 of month to animate,have complete liberty of characters
The MCU is on movies and they can throw a bunch of characters in the same movie for 20 times at year
Both are great
Debatable, but it’s unquestionably superior to Assemble.
@@0g0dn0 we all now that but why brighten up?
@Luigi Tripitelli, I’m not saying the MCU is bad.
Powerless is pretty high on my list, I think my first time seeing it was a sort of marathon of the series they ran on Disney XD during the build-up to the series finale. And even after all these years, I am still hoping for a season 3 of EMH to happen, mostly because Disney now has direct access to the metrics regarding the viewing preferences of their shows and movies, which means they can actually see just how well-loved, and watched, EMH is, in addition to purchases of physical and digital copies of the series for the private collections of fans to watch on other platforms.
And I am with you, Powerless is a great look at Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man when they have super part of who they are stripped from them and we get to see their mindsets as characters and what the absence of these powers mean to them, they are in essence stripped down to the core of their characters. And the thing about Hawke Eye is that we know from his interactions in prior episodes, and the episode itself, with all the other members of the Avengers, especially those 3, is that even if he had been stripped of his fancy bow and assortment of advanced arrows all the way back to a more traditional medieval arsenal nothing would really change about him as a character. What makes Hawk Eye such an incredible ordinary person isn't that he had some natural talent or superior training or was born with access to resources or any innate powers, what makes him so incredible is that he knew he had no natural skills and chose to train in those skills out of necessity.
Something I think a lot of people miss about Enchantress's depowering spell, aside from what probably flew over their heads before it was explained in this video, is that the spell specifically took away powers and abilities that were granted or innate to the individual, which is why Tony's magical lobotomy happened (Tony was always an innate technologically capable individual), Captain America's powers were granted to him by the super-soldier serum (the power it granted magnified his innate personality), And Thor lost access to both his mystical abilities and godly strength (both of which were innate to him as part of his unique lineage). But that's not the way for Hawk Eye, he had to work to get to where he was, because of his background as both a member of the Circus of Crime and S.H.I.E.L.D. agent both forced him to work for what he earned and prove his skills in trying situations.
With my mom we just finished watching EMH a week ago, and she is sad that there are no more episodes
Idk how many times I had to explain her that the show ended 9 years ago
You could tell her there’s still a community effort going to pressure Disney into reviving the show 👀
I don’t get what people mean by unaired I remember watching this episode on TV as a kid because I’ve never gotten Disney+ or went looking for this show on TH-cam.
I think here in Mexico and Latinamerica the episode was indeed aired too. Anyways, I agree with you. This episode highlights the main characteristic of Marvel: Humanity. Great episode! I still wonder about this episode though, since it seems that, at the end, Surtur and Amora can't trust Loki, although in season 3 it seems they work togheter, and Loki is again trusted with destroying the Earth and the Avengers
I guess maybe the events of this episode is what would have led Loki to acquiesce to Enchantress/Surtur's command? Like, I can see Season 1 Loki not accepting being their subordinate, but after this defeat he can't really argue.
@@PillarofGarbage yeah, guess you are right. Hey, have you thought about making a Discord or some place to communicate? I think that with all the growth you have got we can build some nice community
@@hendrickeldragonquepierdee8146 I wouldn't know how to run a discord at all :D
but if other people ask for something like that as well I'd definitely look into it!
@@PillarofGarbage don't worry. It's not that difficult, but if you need help with anything I can give you a hand
Yes
I'm from argentina and this was one of my favourite episodes
I'd love an analysis on Hawkeye as a character and how EMH did a great job making him stand as an equal among genius billionaires and literal gods
Yes compared to mcu they made him a joke
I am a German fan of this show for at least ten years. That they cancelled the show was one of the biggest sins in Marvel TV history.
the bigger sin is replacing it with Avengers Assemble
@@danielboyle1647 it's a bigger sin to replace that with what if.
@@nicholascahyadi2770 personally I really like what if, and it isn't replacing it considering that they are focused on different things. Avengers assemble was a reason why emh stopped airing while what if isn't. Plus I like the stories in what if because some of them are really interesting
Pretty sure this series ended with them banishing Galactus to the negative zone.
@@JKgyaru6969 no that was the second to last episode. It was always going to happen at that point though. Season three was going to partly focus on the Ragnarok story
7:26 Hawkeye actually has pretty impressive powers in this show... like the ricochets he pulls off sometimes are like... they require a beyond human level of instinct or math.
This is the real Hawkeye like in the comics.. who's doing impossible shots and sarcastic as hell, also a womanizer.. love em comic accurate
@@nicholasclintace6436 exactly, kind of shame they didn't do something more like that in the MCU like even the "hawkeye has no powers" and the actor making a song about it... which was funny but also I was screaming "yes he does" he does have powers just not in the MCU apparently
@@noahwattel4226 the music is not wrong by the comics logic, he's actually a great marksman that just trained so much he can't miss, yes he does quite a lot of superhuman feats, in the MCU, emha, assemble and so on, but all the writing teams still considers it as just very good trained aim.
@@Rockmanbalboa yeah that's cool and all but Imma call Cap when he knocks several people out by ricocheting like a pebble of a wall through a reflection.
His feats in the MCU are fairly unimpressive compared to BS like that.
So it's a super power to me, in the sense that there's no way that's possible for a normal human being.
First time I saw Powerless was on my first viewing of EMH on Netflix. I guess I was just one of the lucky ones.
Anyway, as fun as the episode was when I watched it, I will admit to having some beef with it on my second viewing. The entire episode seems to have a point of Thor learning to be humble, but that never seems to be much of a problem before this episode? The one with Spiderman and Captain America was one I really liked because it built off the Skrull Invasion episodes a few episodes back, and that's one that I think worked really well as a character driven story, but for Thor learning humility, I just felt it was done better in the episode with the Malekith episode.
Anyway, that's all I gotta say. I really need to sleep now.
I think if you watch how Thor acts before this episode with ‘powerless’ in mind, you can see a little bit of a superiority complex in him. Not a big one by any means, and he deeply respects his teammates, but I think given his previous attitude, it’s reasonable that having his godhood stripped away would destroy any sense of self-worth he has. But it is a little clumsy, perhaps.
I also remember watching it on netflix, never knew it was considered a "lost episode"
Also, I love how you end your videos by instrumentally playing “Always Will we fight as one, until the battle’s won”
Funny enough, I bought the complete series of Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes on DVD & this episode was inside season 2 DVD.
This episode was pretty interesting. Showing that even without powers, as long as you have the spirit & heart of a hero, you are still seen as a hero in people's eyes. Let's not forget that there are still doctors, policemen, firemen, etc. And these people are also seen as heroes, because they always do everything they can to do the right thing, no matter how hard it is.
my story is more or less the same (from latin america), only i could never get the dvd of the first 7 episodes lol
I love this show and I think that it’s probably the best piece of Marvel Animation (including Spectacular Spider-Man, I like that show too, but I think this one has the edge.) When it was first airing, I loved it, but I don’t remember watching this episode, partially because I moved, and being like 7, I didn’t know how to find it on the new TV. But years later, it was on Netflix, and I watched it again, and I fell in love all over again. This episode was listed in the correct spot there, and it makes me so upset Disney+ has it as the finale. Still, great job, it’s nice to see someone still praising this show for all of the things I always have.
Don't forget the 90's x-men which is legendary and also x-men evolution.
God I loved Hawkeye in that show
EMH and the others getting cancelled is the MCU's greatest sin
I First saw it on Netflix when I was younger. I was so sad when I discovered that this awesome show was cancelled like Spectacular Spider-man.
Spectacular Spider-Man was good
I rewatched Earth's Mightest Heroes a few years back and Powerless was one of my favourite episodes. I love the occasional episodes that go into the characters more than plot. Plus the theme song of the whole show was what kept me returning back when I was a kid and made me go looking for it as a teen at the time as I had never fully watched the series, or believed I hadn't anyway.
And I wish they continued on with this series instead of Avengers Assemble. I could not watch more than 3 episodes. And it's the last episode of season 2 of Earth's Mightest Heroes is probably the only one I dislike, mainly because it felt rushed as they had to wrap up the series.
This is one of my favorite episodes. I always love it whenever Clint has a chance to shine and EMH really had that in spades
by the way, comparing what if with Ehm is something that has been happening to me since I started with the series, and I don't think it will stop, because there is still enough left.
I don't remember all of them now, but a couple of examples would be (spoiler)
-When at the end of episode 3 Loki is speaking to humanity and telling them that he is going to be their king and all, it reminded me of, obviously, the epic Captain Skrull speech
-the end of episode 4, where the protagonist realizes that everything he did so far for love led him to madness and uncontrolled power, so he ends up heartbroken and isolated from everything, and then the credits begin and end silently. That describes what if episode 4 and Michael korvac episode perfectly
There’s also the whole ‘Hydra summoning extra-dimensional beings in WW2’ thing from episode 1! I haven’t seen the most recent one yet myself, but I’m definitely keeping my eyes peeled for any nods to EMH Ultron in it.
@@PillarofGarbage Oh right, I don't know how I noticed it before, it's one of my favorite episodes! There were other good ones that I do not remember now but I will surely mention them in some other video of one of the series, since I did not see today's episode either (surely something related to Ultron and vision, I will keep both eyes on the screen)
one of my favourite episode is the one featuring Beta Ray Bill it shows what drives Beta Ray Bill and Thor even Sif gets the spotlight
I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of this episode. Nothing personally against it, but the concept of the “losing losing their power and learning humility” is something I’ve seen again and again before. While the ending makes me wonder if the Destroyer armor will ever be used again, this isn’t one of the episodes I’d watch like Yellowjacket or Masters of Evil. When I do watch this episode, it’s mostly to see Hawkeye and the Enchantress.
I agree it’s an overused trope, but I have a soft spot for stories where character and personal development is more of a focus than action, and I think this episode is one of the highlights of EMH in terms of seeing what makes a character tick (including for Hawkeye!)
@@PillarofGarbage “Yeah, we mortals need to stick together, right?”
I personally think that Trope can be interesting, if you try to aboard it in a new way. Like for example what if it was the opposite, by gaining powers, a normal character lose step by step his humility and humanity. Or what if after an experience with losing his power that turned really bad, the godlike character is now even more condescending towards normal civilians because he experienced and know their powerlessness.
It's weird that this never aired apparently. I remember watching it, but never owned any dvds. Mayhaps I caught it during a marathon rerun or something. I still lament the shows end and wish it didn't get the axe alongside Transformers Animated for the sake of "movie accurate representation".
To be fair, Tranformers Prime was pretty G
@@xt4da-god893 Oh certainly, though I think it had some issues.
@@nopenopington2880 Despite its flaws, I consider Prime to be one of my favorite Transformers series ever.
I really just wish they didn't make Bee mute like has been the trend at the time.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Oh of course! I loved Prime as well and was only introduced to Animated because of rerun that I think followed it after MLP. Sadly Prime got shafted in a lot of ways too
@@nopenopington2880 I remember the movie was a bit of a letdown. But it did give us a very sad but fitting death for Optimus.
I'm in the US and I've definitely seen this episode before, but I can't remember if I saw it on Disney XD or on Netflix when the show was still on there...
This show made me like hawkeye a lot. It shows why he deserves to be in the avengers
As mentioned in the post, I saw the series on DVDs (but approximately at the time it was still on the air, between 2010-2014), and I was able to enjoy this great episode, although I'm not sure if in my country it was on television. Either way, you narrate the show's interesting off-camera facts pretty well, and I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
It was cool and I get it’s lost but to me it didn’t really work as a final episode
I remember watching this in the US, this was one of my fav episodes and i would rewatch this a lot. Keep up the great videos! I love them!!!
It's funny you say "you've never seen" when i keep thinking about this episode.
I was a big fan of the show when I grew up watching it, but I've only seen this episode some years ago, when I got my hands on the DVD of the end of the series (this is my fav ep from the dvd, together with the ending ep with Galactus)
I remember when this episode air. I live in the US.
I saw it on Disney XD. I enjoyed it but had no idea it's considered a lost episode.
I believe it was added into circulation with re-runs a while after the series ended, but many had stopped watching at that point, and had no idea of its existence unless they picked up a DVD!
Weird. I remember watching this episode on TV in the US at some point on Disney XD. Maybe it was On Demand? I forget.
AFAIK, at some point after the series' initial run, they quietly slipped it into the series re-runs.
I didn't have cable when EMH was airing. So I watched it on a alternative streaming site. I didn't know that it didn't air in the US.
I remember watching this episode as a kid I never thought much of it but after i watched the show last year on Disney+ I did find it odd that it was the last episode in the order of the show i didn’t know it never aired in the U.S. cause I’m in the U.S.
You must have caught it airing as a rerun - it didn’t air on US television for months after the series wrapped up :)
I feel like Batman's crusade strips him of any hope for a normal and happy life even more so than Peter's
This show was produced by Greg Weisman, the genius behind spectacular Spider-Man, gargoyles, and young justice.
I love how into this series this guy is. I was on top of it when it came out. I dont remember watching it on Disney XD. I was watching it online instead. I didn't miss this episode so I never new it didn't air here.
I didn't really like the episode much anyway. The heroes kinda became weenies without their powers which I thought was a bit overkill but it was an EMH episode so that automatically makes it leagues beyond a lot of other stuff. I guess until I make my own cartoon I will be looking for the next hot Japanese property to keep me entertained.
Using Superman and Batman to contrast Marvel vs DC just does not work because, well Batman. In fact, you yourself found yourself using the term "strength of character" to describe Batman. Bruce may seem less human than Parker, but that is primarily only because of the age difference. Compare Parker to Nightwing, and you will see a lot less differnce.
I hate one aspect about this. Iron-man being susceptible to that spell. He uses technology! And Captain American didn't need lesson of humility. Thor maybe, but not Cap.
One of the most disappointing things Disney did was cancelling Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes
I’m from the US, and I remember thatwhen I was younger, there being some sort of australian (I think) tv channel that aired this show, and had full episodes posted to their website.
It was actually quite a couple episodes ahead of the american version, so I was able to watch episodes a few months in advance.
One of the episodes was this one (powerless), and I remember being really surprised when they skipped over it in the American broadcast
When did I first hear about "Powerless"? Right here, right now, January first, 2022. -_(\
Avengers: *lose their powers*
Hawkeye and Blackwidow: *shrugs*
9:25
Why am I not surprised it's like somehow everything bad that happens with media is somehow Disney's fault.
I just found your channel. I was a huge fan of this version of the Avengers. I became rather disappointed by Avengers Assemble replacement because this version was so good. It's great to discover that there's a community of people that share the same affection for it. Thank you for doing these videos.
Thanks for watching! More on the way!
This episode would be better if the whole core team end up powerless as well, and they have to figure out a way to get out of this situation
I can imagine hawkeye losing his archery skills, janet lossing her wings, carol losing her miss marvel powers.
I disagree the episode is not a good one
Seeing this again, I kinda wish Hulk was in the episode and got powered down with everyone else, could have been interesting
The Item that the Characters look for is nicknamed The MacGuffin!
I swear I saw this episode when it originally ran in the US but maybe it was a rerun 🤷♂️
Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were caught in the area of effect, Hawkeye wasn't. The spell was meant for Thor alone, Tony and Steve were just collateral damage.
I think I’m actually one of the few people who have actually seem this episode
Hmm. I've seen this episode. But i remember seeing it on Disney XD. Maybe im mistaken.
This confirmed a theory I had when I recently binged it on Disney+. I thought it was an odd choice for the final episode of the series, so I figured something weird must have happened with it during initial release
This is on Disney+ the last episode of the 2nd season leaving a major cliffhanger
I from brazil and i have all the dvds and i remember this episode. Its one my favorites
I think you might have some facts turned around.
EMH was produced by Disney as a way to promote the Avengers before the movie came out. Some execs were worried the audience wouldn't know who these guys were and why they were fighting together. Remember Phase 1 was only connected by a cameo here or there and a post credit scene. EMH followed in the mold of B:TAS, X-men and Spider-Man. Do what was fun to prime kids and adults to buy tons of merchandise.
Once Avengers blew away Box Office expectations, they wanted a series more in sync with the movies. But EMH didn't fail. It succeeded in what Disney wanted out of it and moved on. A bit cold-hearted, but something familiar to fans of Gargoyles, Goof Troop, Mighty Ducks, Aladdin, Ultimate Spider-Man, and Clone Wars can emphasize with.
Interesting - got any sources for that?
So many good cartoons were killed in the early 2010s, Clone Wars, EMH, YJ. Such a shame because these 3 were literally my favourites growing up, I’d watch and re watch them all the time on Netflix. Clone wars and YJ came back, even if the latter wasn’t nearly as good as it could have been, so I don’t see why we couldn’t make enough noise to get EMS another season too.
Check back later today and I should have a video out explaining how we can do just that!
This is listed as the final episode of the whole series on Disney plus
No idea how but I (an American) saw the episode years ago when it was new
Unfortunately, that episode was also affected by Man of Action before not airing on TV, but I still like it, though I feel like it could've been better.
And man.... 🎶 🎵 in the end though 😊. I'll give you 👍
ACTUALLY HERE IN MEXICO, THEY TRANSMITED THIS EPISODE
Oh, that would explain it. I’m Canadian
I almost hate disney for canceling this series
I actually got to watch this on TV, nice.
I saw this ep when it aired, I am one of the chosen few
Hey, I made it into a video.
I love this episode so much!
I really wish it was listed as episode 15, like it was intended (I originally saw it when the show used to be on Netflix, and it was listed correctly there.)
It's not a huge deal in this case, but as a huge Firefly fan, I know how important viewing order can be.
I remember watching this episode years ago on Netflix,so I was a little confused here
Actually, this has always been my least favorite episode of the show. It feels like a lazy retelling of the first Thor movie for no good reason. Loki and the Destroyer seem to be in it just because they were in the movie - I can't fathom why Enchantress and Surtur would need Loki's help with this, and the Destroyer is never mentioned before or after.
Also, the show has established that each of the heroes were active for some time before joining the Avengers, so I would have assumed this version of Thor has already been through some kind of test of humility - he never came off as particularly arrogant or haughty before this.
The spell also seems wildly inconsistent. Why does Tony get to keep his Mark 1 armor? Can you really get rid of Mjolnir with just some magic? Why does no one else ever do that, then? It seems to work the way it does because the plot needs it to, rather than having any logical basis.
You also said that this episode sets up the plot with Surtur and Ragnarok, but I'm pretty sure we don't learn anything here that isn't established in Acts of Vengeance and the Ballad of Beta Ray Bill.
I do think that the concept at the core of this story - stripping away the powers of the Avengers and examining who they would be without them, focusing on who they are as people and their interactions with each other - is the base of a really strong and powerful narrative.
It's not perfect, but I think there's enough of that interesting core concept to make it a really interesting one. AFAIK, tentative plans for Season 3 had Loki attacking the Avengers again at the behest of Surtur - so Enchantress' and Surtur's subjugation of Loki in this episode is at least one new thing we learn.
And maybe less so in Season 2 (although Skrull arc Tony does spring to mind here), but Season 1 Iron Man is often very arrogant IMO!
@@PillarofGarbage Oh, it's always a good lesson for Tony! I just kind of assumed Thor had gone through something similar to the first Thor movie already, so it felt redundant for him, but I guess that's not necessarily the case.
Of course the Destroyer is never mentioned after...because the show was cancelled.
I miss content about this stuff
I find it ironic that Disney wanted some synergy among their shows, which.. fair enough.. an animated connected universe is totally fine.. yet ironically later grabbed all the old Marvel animated shows and were like "yo here they are now for people to watch on Disney+" even that old Iron Man show from NICK is there I think.. so like.. now it's more of a kick since people now will watch these shows and some kids won't understand why they just stop instead of having proper endings
I saw it on air. I live in Argentina tho
I remember this episode tbh
It aired in Australia for ref I remember enjoying Hawkeyes turn at being a lead :)
I’m pretty sure I saw this episode when I first watched it on Netflix back in the day.
This was one of the greatest tv shows I had seen in a while. It was reaching Justice League/Unlimited levels. The world building was so fire!
Uhh this episode is on Disney+
Fun fact: this episode is actually out of place on Disney+ meaning not even Disney who made S2 know where the episode is supposed to go... I've reported this to them before but they never bothered to change it
I actually remember watching this episode when it came on Disney. I wish they followed up the Ragnarok plot in the third season, but alas it never came to be.
I have a small bit of hope for the 90’s Spider-Man show and EMH for one reason. Maybe if the X-Men 97 revive goes well they will revive other loved shows like those two or now that Spectacular is coming to Disney+ maybe we will get a season 3 in 97 does well but I don’t expect it
I saw this episode on Netflix when I was watching the series for the first time (outside the episode where red hulk was introduced. I saw that one on TV and THAT was my introduction to the show). So I’d say I got fortunate. I didn’t even know it was a lost episode.
I'd love a what if episode with this concept. The Avengers loose their power and hawkeye has take the lead.
I don’t remember not seeing this episode during the original airing or while rewatching… anyway, I wish Marvel has the good sense to bring this back X-men 97 style someday. Best Avengers cartoon ever.
Saw this on the dvds way back when, fucking loved it, especially enchantress (one of my first fictional crushes ngl) and the Ragnarok set up
u are wrong i have seen this hahaha
I don't know if I ever knew this wasn't available. I can't remember when I first watched EMH, I know it was a very long time ago, certainly years before D+ was a thing. I know I saw it then.
I never would've known that if I didn't watch this video since I watched the show on Netflix and it was right there along the others.
Though I did find it weird that it was in it's regular order there but it was put after the last episode on Disney Plus.
EMH is a very underrated series. Loved it on Netflix and glad it is back on Disney+.
Glad the algorithm threw me a lifeline to your channel!
I remember watching this episode. It’s great. Despite them losing their powers and skills, they’re still heroes. Great video, cheers.
Really wish we got a season 3
Am I the only one who feels like the implication of Tony’s de-powering is that he’s actually a mutant whose mutation was heightened intellect?
I remember watching this episode!
Okay, Thor became mortal now wears a black shirt, jeans and holds a sledgehammer. Cap becomes skinny again holding a trash can lid? Iron man has his classic suit on.
Best? I hated this episode because it was a blatant retread of the Thor movie, at a time when Jeph Loeb and company decided to dumb down Marvel Animation to make it talk down to kids and focus on shilling the movies. Thor never was as proud or ignorant as he was in the first movie, making the whole lesson fall flat.
This was a pretty great episode
I have this episode on DVD