Here is part one of a two part section of the Korg MS-20 Mini series of demonstrative videos, wherein the sound and functionality of the filters is demonstrated.
Sold mine years back to buy a Eurorack module. Now, just bought one again and its great to be watching your series in excitement for a second coming on the MS20
You are a truly inspirational person. Your enthusiasm is palpable. I am a French speaking person but your explanations are clear and understandable. Cheers from Quebec / Canada.
Wow, I've never had an Ms-20 but the charm of the paired high and low pass filters is clear immediately. It sounds like they form a notch but react to each others harmonics. The peak and res can skew the notch to different angles. That's a ton of pythagorean. :)
You've really done a great job with these demonstrations. Well job, good sir. Your instructions have also helped me understand a lot more about synthesizers than i did before. I'm using a VA, Korg Radias, at the moment, but i'll get my hands on one of these babies very soon. Thanks again.
Man, these videos killing me!! I was first to get on the MS-20 Mini pre-order list at a local retailer after I heard the NAMM announcement and now this can't get to Toronto fast enough! At least my MiniBrute finally got here a few weeks ago...
can't even find the original comment but from another professional in the industry who consults with big companies bla bla bla, i just want to say a sincere thank you for these videos. With regards to price performance ratio, you're exactly correct, $600 has to cut a few corners by default, but the ones that matter stay sharp and intact. Glad to hear the keys are not "full mini" and even playing them at NAMM i could tell that it won't take more than a few hours to adjust to the key size. cheers!
finally placed a pre-order for a ms-20 today...i knew i could only make my decision between the sub phatty and the ms-20 after you did videos on both, so thanks! not to say i won't be getting a sub phatty of course, that's definitely next, when funds allow ;)
6:50 reminds me sooo much of something. I've had this tune in my head that sounds a bunch like it, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is, but it sounds great. Any idea? Also great series of video's, you sold me a MonoLogue (love ittttt), I might have to start thinking about getting a nice used MS-20 mini too, these sounds you're making on it sound fantastic!
@BabyDropHead By the seems of it, yes. You could trigger the filter or amp with any CV output from the MS20 I believe. You could also perform that whilst having the MS20 audio going into the Minibrute audio in. So you could make use of exaggerated filter results of both synth's filters. It would be a pleasure to own both it would appear!
I must say that I could get! the same sort of self-oscillating sound out of the monotron as I heard on the 'real' full-size MS-20 when I made an intro with it end of 1991 or early 1992.I found this weekend in my huge tape-collection the tape where I recorded some samples with that real MS-20. I have also the intro and a poem where I use the MS-20 in the background(I believe I used the MS-20 on it, must check that).I plan to put it all here on You Tube.Greetz
here, from the NAAM pr interviews: "There were different filters in earlier and later versions of the MS20 - which did you use? The MS-20 uses the KORG35 circuit that was on the earlier version of MS-20. Preferences vary between users, but we felt that the earlier version of the filter created a sound that had a more distinctive presence, and thus it was the appropriate choice for this reincarnation."
I am abit split between getting this or the dominion X, it seems the dominion X can do more and have 3 oscillators and also a very nice sound. The ms-20 mini do sound very good in it's own way also but the noise that people are experiencing is kinda putting me off abit. What can you say about that is it still present in the newer ms-20 they manufacture? How would you compare dominion X to this synth?
I'm not sure! I've always believed it to be the interaction of the two filters, and the fact that they are self-oscillating 12dB per oct filters, which is really uncommon. Someone has suggested that the high pass is actually a 6dB per octave resonant self-oscillating filter... which I don't think I've even ever seen before! But when I say "these sound like MS-20 filters," I'm talking about that intense grinding shriek they do!
Marc, there was a guy who had a look at the oscillators of the MS-20 and found that the sawtooth at 32' wasn't straight - but exponential, which is caused by high pass. He changed the coupling capacitors (the ones in line with the signal to shift DC-levels between the two modules) because they were too small (he changed them to 100uF he thinks) and found that this fixed the problem and boosted the low end! Would this in any way have been replicated in the mini, and is a mod possible?
The people of Korg are very clever Marc.You, the man of Moog with Bob's Moog heritage does these videos for them(Korg). You are very enthusiastic of this Korg product.So it seems you like more Korg than Moog.
I did, sadly I didn't get to catch the presentation you made on the modular. I hung out a bit with Jake and Jason over at the Moog Music booth and kept fiddling with the Sub Phatty. That and the MS20 were my show stealers this year. Elektron A4 was pretty cool too. If only Yamaha could get back in the game with some new school FM + Analog Filter or a revamped CS line eh?
Hey! not sure how often you check these comments, but can you just use an aux chord and then put a 1/4" converter at the end of it ? or does it need to be a 1/4" cable with a 1/8 inch converter.. hope this makes sense
Ah that brilliant shrieking MS-filter. Nothing sounds like it. I'm curious to what I can do with the high-lowpass filter combo. Not used to having two filters in serial.
Every MS20 I played sounded different - so I wouldn't say this won't sound like a real MS20. The old ones come in 2 versions with each a different filter. The oldest one sounded great, the neer one just sounds good. The MS20 mini is a replica of the newer one, so definitely genuine MS20 circuitry, only not the one I hoped for.
Thanx for the info se7ense7. What you talk about, I feared a little bit: that this is not 100% the true MS-20-sound. But maybe 80% that sound.Nevertheless I plan to buy one, I want to patch up my gear to this and jam the hell out of it!!
"Practically sponsored by Korg?" Uh, no. I made this video without any input from Korg, using my own resources, and without financial recompense. Korg was willing to let me borrow an MS-20 Mini to do it, and has enjoyed the work I've done. I'm also not too keen on the implication that I need to be encouraged to be honest. Build quality: What exactly are you looking for in a $600 synth? Have you ever played an original MS-20? It's as good as that. I like the feel of these knobs better.
I read that Korg used the 'old' filter on this re-issue but as I hear that's a load of bullshit. This one just goes into self oscillation without that distinctive 'roar', it just squeels like the newer ones. Too bad because that's about 50% why I love this synth.
@@MisAnnThorpe It's a cool synth all in itself but Korg must stop claiming things that aren't true. The difference between how the ESP sections react for example is really really big.
1:12 you mention that the LPF is -12dB without explicitly pointing out that the HPF is single-pole. Seems like you're insinuating that the HPF has the same slope as the LPF which isn't accurate. Looks like you make that insinuation multiple times too so I'm starting to think that you didn't know the HPF is -6dB per octave.
Sold mine years back to buy a Eurorack module. Now, just bought one again and its great to be watching your series in excitement for a second coming on the MS20
You are a truly inspirational person. Your enthusiasm is palpable. I am a French speaking person but your explanations are clear and understandable. Cheers from Quebec / Canada.
For me and surely so many others, yours is the voice of "learning my synthesizer". Thank you!
Gary D well said Gary. I think he should offer online personal lessons.
I know I am pretty off topic but does anyone know a good site to stream newly released series online ?
@Gibson Colton try Flixzone. Just google for it =)
@Juan Jedidiah yup, I have been using flixzone for years myself :D
@Juan Jedidiah thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service =) Appreciate it !
I love the way it sounds like you are going to break down in tears with "Here is a Korg MS-20..." at the end.
+Michael Harren Thanks, MIchael!
Ms20 filter can be one of the most gorgeous things with a little attention ❤️❤️
always enjoy your videos mate.. cant wait to have one of these sitting next to the minibrute
ALWAYS Amazing Marc! You are the man!
Wow, I've never had an Ms-20 but the charm of the paired high and low pass filters is clear immediately. It sounds like they form a notch but react to each others harmonics. The peak and res can skew the notch to different angles. That's a ton of pythagorean. :)
You've really done a great job with these demonstrations. Well job, good sir. Your instructions have also helped me understand a lot more about synthesizers than i did before. I'm using a VA, Korg Radias, at the moment, but i'll get my hands on one of these babies very soon. Thanks again.
+Lasse Jensen Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Man, these videos killing me!! I was first to get on the MS-20 Mini pre-order list at a local retailer after I heard the NAMM announcement and now this can't get to Toronto fast enough! At least my MiniBrute finally got here a few weeks ago...
AutomaticGainsay has a way of making you feel as though you need whichever synth he is speaking at the moment. i love it.
A great combination! Thank you very much!
can't even find the original comment but from another professional in the industry who consults with big companies bla bla bla, i just want to say a sincere thank you for these videos. With regards to price performance ratio, you're exactly correct, $600 has to cut a few corners by default, but the ones that matter stay sharp and intact. Glad to hear the keys are not "full mini" and even playing them at NAMM i could tell that it won't take more than a few hours to adjust to the key size. cheers!
Wow! Whatching this on 1080p through my monitors... what a bass! The intro sound kicks everything. Great video and sound capture.
finally placed a pre-order for a ms-20 today...i knew i could only make my decision between the sub phatty and the ms-20 after you did videos on both, so thanks!
not to say i won't be getting a sub phatty of course, that's definitely next, when funds allow ;)
you're amazing! i'm learning so much
+KennerMusicChannel Wow, thank you! I'm glad to help.
You are my synth nerd hero and I want your job!
thanks for your time,I learned much..
Thank you for your concern, but rest assured: that door is... actually, totally probably painted in lead paint.
YOU are the man!
Hey, thank you very much! I hope you came by the BMF booth at NAMM. :)
very fitting that the commercial I just saw before this uses an earlier chem bros track from an album that was laced in MS-20.
Thank you very much!
6:50 reminds me sooo much of something. I've had this tune in my head that sounds a bunch like it, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is, but it sounds great. Any idea?
Also great series of video's, you sold me a MonoLogue (love ittttt), I might have to start thinking about getting a nice used MS-20 mini too, these sounds you're making on it sound fantastic!
@BabyDropHead By the seems of it, yes. You could trigger the filter or amp with any CV output from the MS20 I believe. You could also perform that whilst having the MS20 audio going into the Minibrute audio in. So you could make use of exaggerated filter results of both synth's filters. It would be a pleasure to own both it would appear!
I'm planning on running my soon-come MS-20 into my minilogue OG muhahahaha!
Thank you!
Thanks for the videos, mine will be here in a few days! Have you tried patching the LFOs or EG out to any modular stuff?
thank you very much!
Thank you!!
I must say that I could get! the same sort of self-oscillating sound out of the monotron as I heard on the 'real' full-size MS-20 when I made an intro with it end of 1991 or early 1992.I found this weekend in my huge tape-collection the tape where I recorded some samples with that real MS-20. I have also the intro and a poem where I use the MS-20 in the background(I believe I used the MS-20 on it, must check that).I plan to put it all here on You Tube.Greetz
hope to get mine soon.
here, from the NAAM pr interviews:
"There were different filters in earlier and later versions of the MS20 - which did you use?
The MS-20 uses the KORG35 circuit that was on the earlier version of MS-20. Preferences vary between users, but we felt that the earlier version of the filter created a sound that had a more distinctive presence, and thus it was the appropriate choice for this reincarnation."
be cool to see you do a demo video on the King Korg also..
I am abit split between getting this or the dominion X, it seems the dominion X can do more and have 3 oscillators and also a very nice sound. The ms-20 mini do sound very good in it's own way also but the noise that people are experiencing is kinda putting me off abit. What can you say about that is it still present in the newer ms-20 they manufacture? How would you compare dominion X to this synth?
Thanks a lot!
Yeah, the Minibrute is also on my mindlist:-)
I'm not sure! I've always believed it to be the interaction of the two filters, and the fact that they are self-oscillating 12dB per oct filters, which is really uncommon. Someone has suggested that the high pass is actually a 6dB per octave resonant self-oscillating filter... which I don't think I've even ever seen before! But when I say "these sound like MS-20 filters," I'm talking about that intense grinding shriek they do!
How did you do the kick drum? The bass has a great low end.
Where do you connect? Is it a regular amplifier?
Marc, there was a guy who had a look at the oscillators of the MS-20 and found that the sawtooth at 32' wasn't straight - but exponential, which is caused by high pass. He changed the coupling capacitors (the ones in line with the signal to shift DC-levels between the two modules) because they were too small (he changed them to 100uF he thinks) and found that this fixed the problem and boosted the low end! Would this in any way have been replicated in the mini, and is a mod possible?
The people of Korg are very clever Marc.You, the man of Moog with Bob's Moog heritage does these videos for them(Korg). You are very enthusiastic of this Korg product.So it seems you like more Korg than Moog.
Yes I do.
I did, sadly I didn't get to catch the presentation you made on the modular. I hung out a bit with Jake and Jason over at the Moog Music booth and kept fiddling with the Sub Phatty. That and the MS20 were my show stealers this year. Elektron A4 was pretty cool too. If only Yamaha could get back in the game with some new school FM + Analog Filter or a revamped CS line eh?
I'm guessing that the Yamaha re-face models weren't quite what you had in mind?!
wicked!!
I understand you. But for the interesting price you get now a lot of MS-20.This synth will be a winner like it's original.Greetz
Hey! not sure how often you check these comments, but can you just use an aux chord and then put a 1/4" converter at the end of it ? or does it need to be a 1/4" cable with a 1/8 inch converter.. hope this makes sense
+Jason Tibi I'm pretty sure you can do any of those things!
Ah that brilliant shrieking MS-filter. Nothing sounds like it. I'm curious to what I can do with the high-lowpass filter combo. Not used to having two filters in serial.
Is it possible to play the filter on this? I tried it on a VST and I couldn't figure it out. Would I have to patch something in in order to play it?
Also, it's worth mentioning that the high pass filter is 6db/oct. But that's not an issue. :)
And the filters are in series, which is also worth mentioning.
I didn't... I don't have anything modular except for kind of the ARP 2600... but it's in the shop.
weird, I read they actually went back to the initial Korg35 filter for the mini...
do you know the release date ?
Every MS20 I played sounded different - so I wouldn't say this won't sound like a real MS20. The old ones come in 2 versions with each a different filter. The oldest one sounded great, the neer one just sounds good. The MS20 mini is a replica of the newer one, so definitely genuine MS20 circuitry, only not the one I hoped for.
The mini is a replica of the first MS20 filter type.
So how analog is it after routing it through a delay, reverb and/or chorus?
Five analog
yeah cool
Thanx for the info se7ense7. What you talk about, I feared a little bit: that this is not 100% the true MS-20-sound. But maybe 80% that sound.Nevertheless I plan to buy one, I want to patch up my gear to this and jam the hell out of it!!
You're right. The Sub Phatty sounds like the better Moog. But the MS-20 sounds like the better Korg.
all i can say is, when can i get my hands on one!
"Practically sponsored by Korg?" Uh, no. I made this video without any input from Korg, using my own resources, and without financial recompense. Korg was willing to let me borrow an MS-20 Mini to do it, and has enjoyed the work I've done.
I'm also not too keen on the implication that I need to be encouraged to be honest.
Build quality: What exactly are you looking for in a $600 synth? Have you ever played an original MS-20? It's as good as that. I like the feel of these knobs better.
I read that Korg used the 'old' filter on this re-issue but as I hear that's a load of bullshit. This one just goes into self oscillation without that distinctive 'roar', it just squeels like the newer ones. Too bad because that's about 50% why I love this synth.
I take that back! Was just going by what Korg had claimed. Appears that you know otherwise.
@@MisAnnThorpe It's a cool synth all in itself but Korg must stop claiming things that aren't true. The difference between how the ESP sections react for example is really really big.
As analog as anything that is analog when routed through a delay, reverb, and/or chorus.
can you make it talk like original does
I wanna hear it sing like this /watch?v=D8pNbrZSs3I then I'm convinced this is equally as good as original, said that LOVE all the Korg old & new
1:12 you mention that the LPF is -12dB without explicitly pointing out that the HPF is single-pole. Seems like you're insinuating that the HPF has the same slope as the LPF which isn't accurate. Looks like you make that insinuation multiple times too so I'm starting to think that you didn't know the HPF is -6dB per octave.
4:47 dat low end
My speakers are hurting ;)
That door could do with a coat of paint. ;-)
:D
This needs the Minilogue's oscilloscope instead of that diagram
R'n'R
I far prefer hoi sin duck rolls myself.
Moog Sub Phatty sounds way better.
5:30 ⚠Eargasm Alert! ⚠ We have a winner! Thank you Marc!! Are you still a Minneapolitan? If not, please move back! 😋
I moved away this year! I’m sorry!
@@automaticgainsay Too bad, our loss!
The idiots aid me in helping provide education!