Can I Use Kratom to Detox Off Opioids?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- Dr Peter Coleman, who is Board-certified in Addiction Medicine and in long-term recovery himself, discusses whether kratom might be a good way to detox off of opiates.
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The reason why Kratom is not recommended is because pharmaceutical companies who created methadone suboxone will lose money to a natural herb.
There's not enough research on humans but it can be addictive and cause dependence. It can also cause seizures, coma and death.
I would agree with you if you said cannabis but Kratom is a whole different beast.
It seems now that everyone has gotten over how much of a miracle drug that is safer like cannabis is now that it's becoming more legalized, they are turning to some other 'alternative' drug without really looking into it. There isn't a miracle cure for opiate addiction or most heavy drugs, just the taper off slowly and eat and drink water and apple juice as best as you can.
It would be very difficult to regulate. It's much safer but just as addicting. Much experience.
@@alexmangrum90 I too have plenty of experience. Still take it to this day. Anything is bad if you let yourself become addicted to it. Just like alcohol, it can also be used responsibly. Your problem was probably that you took too much, too often.
@@marknunya3107 indeed.
What is a trusted source of buying kratom online?
How do I take it for coming off H?
I've detoxed off a few things. Kratom is by far the mildest.
And here's the most important part. Being hooked on kratom is cheap and safe. We got like 250 Americans dying everyday because of synthetic opioids. Kratom is an extremely cheap and relatively safe opioid. By "relatively safe"....I don't think it's hyperbole to say it's 1000x safer than fentanyl. Probably 100x safer than oxycodone.
When you try to take too much kratom in search of the euphoric effect of synthetic opioids....you never reach the euphoria. You just vomit out all the plant material. The margin for dosage error is clear. A crumb or two more of fentanyl can mean the difference between life and death. With kratom...the body is not even capable of ingesting the amounts needed for fatal overdose.
This difference alone cannot be understated if we are trying to address the epidemic of deaths amongst our loved ones.
@mikedenheyer6769
Good quality red vein can be highly euphoric like other opioids but likely much safer
Absolutely a better alternative than other narcotics. And the withdrawal from kratom is no where near as severe as an opiate withdrawal.
Yes it’s a better alternative… but the withdrawal is not any less severe…. That part is absolutely bullshit
Agreed
For you maybe, but all people think it's easier than opiates.
@@ellenknell9645 what are you trying to argue here?
Actually the withdrawal for me was just as bad as withdrawal from other opioids if not slightly worse. It really depends on the person and depends on the dose.
LOL, This dude says get off Kratom with Suboxone or methadone… Clearly he has never taken any of the three himself!
I’ve been to this guy to detox and it was so painless getting off suboxone felt 90 percent when it was over. He had a 20 year addiction. I agree on this topic I don’t think he is right but this guys detox’s some big time clients I suggest to anyone if u have good insurance since it’s 10k for the detox do it.
@@Jay89848 most things aren’t too addicting if taken for a week. I can cold turkey kratom after a week with very little, if any negative side effects. It’s nowhere near as bad as something like tianeptine or phenibut.
My point is he’s touting one thing while ignorantly speaking about another. Anybody who has been addicted to heroin is going to need a LOT of kratom, but taken responsibly kratom can be a wonderful herb.
Man's.an.idiot....all you need to do to get off any opiate is go cold turkey and smoke cannabis until the withdrawal passes
It should be the other way around! And no it doesn't have withdrawal
I got off kratom with subs. Works great
Who's paying you to say kratom is horrible? This reminds me of the marijuana flicks of the 1930s. You are lying.
He's 100 percent not lying. You are in total denial if you think Kratom is as harmless as marijuana.
@@Malendor explain to me why? This does nothing to me...any brand...any strain....maybe once I said fuck it took like 10 capsules...just felt like barfing
@@davidblair3845 For one, kratom is not as strong as typical opioid. I was taking 60-80 capsules a day before I detoxed off it. In all likelihood your body probably metabolizes the mitragynine into a less psychoactive form. Some people are like that with Tramadol, for instance. I would highly recommend you stay away from the stuff. The powders you get don't have known concentrations, aren't always lab tested and can have all sorts of toxic shit in them.
I think everyone is diffrent and what ever works for them should be legal. People should have a lot more say with what meds they are taking.
@@Malendor i didn't say it was anything like marijuana. I said his propaganda reminds me of that propaganda. But on another note, if you would compare kratom to a typical.opioid, the lifestyle, the high, the damage, or especially the withdrawal, well, you're the dumb sonofabitch in denial. I hate to think of all the people you.hsve talked out of it that instead went on to overdose on fentanyl or God knows.
You suggesting suboxone over kratom is just ridiculous
I was taking over 100 grams of kratom a day. The withdrawal was terrible. I tried SSRI's, trazadone and eventually I tried subs. It was way cheaper and I felt zero pain coming off of a 2 year kratom addiction.
@@Addictbasterd you didn't get sick from taking that much? Were you taking trazodone on top of that or what?
@@Addictbasterdthat's why it was terrible you were on a high dose over an extended period. Any med will have that effect
And now? Your still on subs i imagine? Its hell getting off them, id take kratom wds any day over it, just a heads up
@@Addictbasterd 100 grams? U are insane no wonder u felt like crap.
Kratom withdrawals has been way easier to handle than my new suboxone withdrawals. Wish I never got on suboxone for my kratom use.
Shit dope for 16 years and got off methadone after ten. Tapered down to 5 mgs then to zero. At day 4 of feeling shitty, I tried kratom and it worked amazingly. Took it for almost 3 weeks and haven’t felt any withdrawals since that day 4. Red Vein Maeng Da. That shit will help u kick 100%.
How much of that red vein did you take a day? I'm about ready to taper down to zero methadone in a month, I'm at 2 milligrams, right now, I feel fine on the methadone being I've been going down one milligram a month for a couple years, but once I hit zero, I want to be prepared, okay, glad you're doing well 🙏
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@@nikao7751 WOW thats great I hope You get off your so close!!
@@nikao7751 update ????
@@nikao7751 Everyone is different. Start low and take more kratom until you feel better and that's the amount your body chemistry needs.
Example, had a coworker that half a gram helped her pain meanwhile I've been on nerve pain medication and narcotics for almost a decade for my injuries chronic pain it takes me 4+ grams each dose depending on the freshness of the kratom leaf etc.
Kratom saves lives,it is legal,natural,and not like drugs,it’s a natural medicine,for people dying of self medicating.
Poison ivy is also natural, but that doesn't make it good to ingest. A big part of the issue in the US is that no one can be sure what is actually in the substance they are purchasing under that name. Formulations vary widely and there isn't any regulatory oversight. Many of the side effects reported by the users in the US are unheard of in Southeast Asia, where someone might be able to walk directly into the forest and harvest some kratom directly, with certainty about what they are getting. We definitely see patients who tried to use kratom to detox off opioids and failed, getting hooked on kratom in the process. Not claiming that is everyone, but that is what we see.
Poison ivy isn’t medicine. There’s thousands of reputable companies that extensively test the kratom to insure its 100 percent organic. If you,and the FDA would actually do some tea studies into the compounds found in this plant,you could actually help people with addiction,rather than cause the problems in the first place. Choosing DRUGS such as methadone, suboxen,Librium, and all the other harmful,and deadly synthetics are dangerous. The pharmaceutical companies cause the problem,present the solution,and get rich the whole ride,while people die. Meanwhile people like you pretend to know what’s best for everyone. What’s your experience with addiction? Honest question
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 and you have likely used 0 kratom 0 times. Nobody respects your opinion so shut it.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 kratom is for sure highly addictive and just another opioid but its not any worse than suboxone or methadone. People think since its natural its non addictive or safe, opium is natural too so that's a brainless argument but it is not a deadly substance i think that's hard to dispute.
@@jaobyeden4143 i disagree. I think suboxone is way worse. I get it they're both partial opiate agonist, but suboxone detox is worse than heroin. Itnlast longer as well
I taken it for 6 years and went days at a time without never had any kind of withdrawal
Which should i buy im new at this
@evangelistajennolmo4072
Nova is the best, but if you try it, be careful because if stopped cold turkey it can cause withdrawals
Methadone and suboxone clearly have a more powerful lobby. Also there's no way he is detoxing people off just kratom
Can't the same thing be said for Suboxone/Subutex/Methadone/etc when you say you're just switching one drug for another?
Those drugs are insanely difficult to come off of. If I didn't have Kratom today, I would maybe have a runny nose & some brain fog. With methadone or suboxone, you would be sicker than you would be coming off a combination of benzos and heroin. It's not pretty.
Courtney, I actually thought about your question for any entire night. It kept me awake, although that's totally normal for me. What I have learned throughout my journey, after almost 2 decades of pure hell on earth struggling with opioid dependency & addiction is that our best hope for this nightmare epidemic we call the opioid crisis is that harm reduction is our absolute best & really our only way to save our children & the people who are fighting for their lives, which is exactly what we are doing. Harm reduction is never a bad thing. I would be on synthetic or semi-synthetic drugs/substances for the rest of my life because I have a real reason I was on those medications. I have Stage 4 Endometriosis & Ehlers Danlos Syndrome & I am ALWAYS in pain. Kratom allows me to be a productive member of society. Kratom is not for everyone, but after watching first hand how much of a nightmare it is to come off methadone and suboxone for people I know, I am grateful I never went that route. I had PAWS, or Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome for 20 solid months. PAWS is the # 1 reason people relapse. I thought it was all bs when I learned about Kratom, but it immediately worked. I was immediately okay. I went out of state on a 10 day vacation for the first time in years with my family. People kept telling me to keep doing whatever it was I was doing and told me so many times how much I was changing for the better. Harm reduction is everything. I get C19 on December 26 & I was really, really sick (although a million times better then my partner & it's probably due to Kratom having such amazing immune boosting properties) & I was prescribed Codeine cough medicine for the 1st time in over 6 years & I used it because the coughing was insanely painful & nothing else stopped it. When that codeine hit, I remembered why I originally loved it so much, but when I was better & no longer needed that cough medicine, I had zero craving for it. It was pretty amazing. I could not have stopped like that before Kratom. It gave me my normal life back.
**an entire night"
Suboxone is so much worse
I was having mild withdraws with 150mg of oxy a day and a 10 day taper caused me to have the worst suboxone withdraws I’ve ever felt
Kratom is the easiest detox and here's why, if you are manually making your own capsules you will reach a point where you find the amount that takes the withdrawal away, and that will be a lot of capsules that you will be putting together maybe twenty or thirty a day or twice a day at first, but you're not getting a buzz off of it so what's the reason for making so many? Eventually you will start saving time and be tired of putting so many together and you will only take twenty one day and then the next day you'll only do 15 and then 10 and so on. My scale is not right but that's how it works you will get tired of putting together all of these capsules every day so you will start taking less on your own and get yourself off of it completely
Your gi tract wants to move Kratom to ur gallbladder. Taken a turmeric with black pepper twenty mins B4 ur dose and most of the Kratom will end up in the colon. The black pepper reduces the enzymes that do that. Hence ur Kratom is more absorbed. Taking a tums ten mins B4 your pot edibles will reduce ur stomach acids so u don't lose any cannabis to acid erosion.
I've never even seen it not in capsules. Ol innerwebs?? Assume cheaper too
He says this type of shut but faults to mention that it’ll be the same way for suboxone … the shit they’d give you to get off opioids … suboxone has an actual high and people get addicted to that more … depending on how long you been doing opioid … bro you take the kratom for a week … that way mostly if not all of the withdraws that are painful are gone and all the other small effects like maybe a fog feeling , sneezing and slight more cold than usual will be around but guess what ?? Those are more than bearable to deal with … now if you were in fentanyl which is very strong you probably wanna take em for 2 weeks to a month because even though the withdraws that are painful will be gone the other effects will still be in high form and will annoy you so bad you won’t be able to do anything … take it slow measure your body .. if you take Kratom and been taking it for a week one day after you hit 7 days you need to wait about 24 hours or however long it takes to wear off out of your. Body and see how you feel … if you don’t like the way you feel after 48 hours go and take kratom for one more week and try it out again…. Those who wanna be off and not dependent on anything would follow those steps because once I’ve got over the withdraw stage I’m not looking to keep taking anything … even if I still have slight very slight chills and sneezing … I’ll deal w it .. slot of those symptoms last longer than others depending on the drug and how long you used it … so please for the people wanting to get off … if you been on drugs for years w out stopping once so not expect just because the painful part of withdrawals are gone that the symptoms of not feeling like yourself sre still lingering around …. Remind yourself the high is never worth the low and that you did them for “X amount of time. “ it’ll take time getting used to being sober and to feel like yourself once again but it’s around the corner just take it a day at a time
Hi--We actually specialize in getting people off of opioids and don't transition people onto Suboxone in our detox process. We use micro-doses of the non-addictive opioid blocker naltrexone to speed up withdrawal while using an array of comfort medications to address any symptoms that may appear. We are able to get 98% of patients through the detox and onto long-acting formulations of naltrexone to help reduce cravings and support their recovery. Unfortunately, we see a lot of people who try to self-detox using kratom and then get so dependent on it that they need help detoxing off of kratom.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 what are comfort meds ???
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 That's interesting.
Maybe they have addictive personalities and can't just taper themselves off.
I did with the prescriptions the doctors wrote to me.
The comfort 'med' I used to ease withdrawals from pharmaceuticals was red and green kratom.
@@MrAkaprimetimelmao right
A couple of times I was not able too get my pain prescription I used it so I did not get withdrawal symptoms from not being able to get my prescription.
If your gonna’ successfully back up Kratom:
Saying ‘it’s herbal/natural isn’t the best starting point for the argument I.m.o. (Coming from someone who also sees it’s beneficial purpose). Opium is natural, unrefined and extremely addictive. Saying it’s non addictive cause it’s natural/organic is like saying it’s not addictive cause it’s green… Really no argument their.
Honestly though, opium is much less harmful for you than any other man made opiate
Jeez how much Kratom are you all taking to have to go on methadone? Like 15 capsules at a time?
Kratom is nothing like heroin. The rehab industry is out biggest opposition in the fight to keep Kratom legal. Harm reduction is a good thing and most of the people in the rehab industry only care about keeping their money coming in and they know Kratom is a major threat to that. If you truly cared about the patients in rehabilitation, you would not be against something that is so beneficial. I tried to paste the letter to the comments my Mother wrote regarding my recovery from opioids, but for some reason I cannot. Kratom is nothing at all like heroin and the majority of people who DID come off opioids and other drugs and then suddenly stop Kratom too soon experience PAWS from their drug use prior to Kratom. For the first 2 years after I stopped my 16 years opioid use, I would go into withdrawals. They were not fun. Right at the 20 month mark, I abruptly stopped Kratom due to a family emergency and I had already started to notice that I was going longer in between Kratom servings during the day and it was getting easier, although I was still consuming quite a bit daily. The day I stopped suddenly, I was 100 percent fine. Absolutely fine. I stopped cold turkey and decided to just not consume any Kratom for a few weeks. I did start again when my family confronted me about how crabby I was getting because all my ailments pain wise were resurfacing. I have stage 4 endometriosis & EDS and am in pain almost 100% of the time. It makes me grouchy. I was in pain management for a good reason. I am so grateful I am out of pain management and that I never had to go on suboxone treatment. I have seen first hand how severe and long the withdrawal from that is. More than once. And I am NOT against suboxone or methadone if it's helping someone. Because harm reduction is always a good thing. Please do actual research, sir. Please, please listen to the scientists who have studied Kratom for years, sometimes for decades and do not believe banning Kratom will do anything other than cause a much, much worse opioid crisis. Kratom acts on 2 opioid receptors, but is not an opioid. Kratom DOES NOT cause respiratory depression. People who are poly drug users w
who abuse Kratom and mix it with other drugs are definitely taking a chance. Mixing substances is never not risky. People can abuse anything. People abuse Immodium, for God's sake. We need regulation not misinformation and bans. I am so disappointed in the people who blatantly spew untrue information and are in influential positions. Especially the medical professionals who cannot be bothered to do legitimate research. Other than just listening to garbage spewed by an FDA that currently only protects the pharmaceutical companies that line it's "pockets". They are supposed protect the American people and absolutely DO NOT have their best interests as a concern at all.
@@theKaufmanTapes I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you for your kind words!
@@theKaufmanTapes greed it 100 percent their driving force. Occasionally you meet one of the good ones, who actually cares about the people they are treating, but not very often.
have you tried to get off kratom?
@@williamwinn948 yes, a few times. And my family is trying to plan a trip to Sweden next year, so I will have to stop as it is illegal there. I usually taper down. I have also stopped cold turkey a couple of times. I had some issues with dehydration and anxiety in November of 2020 and again in January 2021 and stopped suddenly and it wasn't exactly pleasant, but it wasn't just from stopping Kratom. The part that really sucks for me is the brain fog. It's the most pronounced issue I have when I stop and I try to make sure I am off work when I stop because it gets overwhelming. That is nothing compared to coming off opioids, though.
I use to smoke raw opium everyday, my last long stop was 8 month ago. Now i lower the dose at 0.15/0.10mg day which is quite low. I would stop but i still cant skip one day. I fear withdrawals and craving. Start kratom can help me quit with less withdrawal and pain?
Yes. Try red vein or green vein. Red vein will help with pain and relaxation and the green vein is good for pain while you have to get work done.
@@breesechick I just bought 3 different veins, white red and green, arrived two days ago. Will test tomorrow evening. Thanks for helping let u know how will going!
@@alwaysdigginbro awesome! Sending hugs and prayers
Wish the guy would have came back after he tried the kratom and said if it helped?
@@alwaysdigginbro yo did the kratom help
I went to rehab 15yrs ago,Pathways in Annapolis Maryland,all they did was put me on Suboxone,I don't want to be on anything at all
Of course he says to get off Kratom with suboxone or methadone because he's a doctor it's all about money they don't want you to take Kratom Kratom is not like heroin or prescription opiates at all I've researched it a lot
People use this to get off suboxone. Give me a break
Can someone tell me do i buy the tea or capsules....does it matter...and how many mgs do i start with
Red bolly capsules I take for Suboxone withdraws , thats all I've tried because that's all I heard , I'm taking a few grams morning and night as long as this shit last
@@TheR0DFATHER how has your journey been? Any success
@@Xbitxx I'm clean , after 60 days I quit counting, took my first drug test ever yesterday that I didn't have to worry about 👍 I've quit a lot of stuff and Suboxone was the worst by far
I was on subutext for 3 years, came down to hardly anything but the PAWS were nasty as horse ass. Kratom worked nicely, finaly got sleep and anxiety gone, now I just have a teaspoon with pepsi or juice str8 up, dont bother with capsules as much. If you feel withdrawlas it will befrom the pharmaceutical products moreso than kratom.
I was heavy user of both. Same withdrawal and length of withdrawal
Dont listen to this guy. Kratom is FAR less addictive than Suboxone or Methadone. Its also completely natural while the others are completely synthetic. Either he is misinformed or he knows this and is lying because he benefits from people using suboxone as treatment.
Kratom worked for me especially for getting paws. It didn’t help much at all for the first week.
Great. I’m out of my meds for another week! And I’m SO sick there’s no cure. I thought about getting kratom today to keep myself out of the hospital 😢😢😢😢
Please try it. It works so well for me.
@@nicholerhodes6070 people also don’t know to get a certain type of Keaton …
You want to get the kind that’s in red boxes or red on it … those are the ones to help you with withdraw bro
@@missolesoul How much do you take to feel good?
I take 7-10 caps of red viened manga. Good luck.
Kratom is NOTHING like methadone or heroin .. I've kicked all 3 kratom is a walk in the park in comparison
I agree 💯
If you taking small doses of whatever maybe. BUT IT CAN'T TOUCH METHADONE WITHDRAWAL.
What do you mean by this?
I absolutely know people who successfully used it to discontinue Methadone and many who used to come off Suboxone. Many.
@@daniellebetz7175 how was there experience coming off methadone?
@@mattlynch7914 both methadone and suboxone have lonnnnggg half lives, so the withdrawals can last a good while. My friends Kira Torres documented her journey here on youtube of using Kratom to come off Methadone. Unless they've taken down the videos, you should be able to just search for them and you can see what it was like. I know there are people on my Facebook friend list who have used it come off subs and methadone. If you have Facebook, come send me a friend request
@@mattlynch7914 here is the video of Kira
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kratom however is extremely weak tho.Its effects are roughly like codeine.Its main ingrediant...mytragiene should be a otc med.Its aafe enough
Codeine in Kratom?
There is a vast difference between detoxing and withdrawing.
For lack of a better term, the human brain catches on to the affects of Kratom very quickly.
Ive never met anybody who could gain a favorable reaction after 3 times use. without taking a substantial break from it.. The first time is the best you will ever get from it. Even after two month break it still never works the same. and taking more wont help. Yes it greatly reduces the symptoms of opiate withdrawal, but only once or twice. Then a long break is needed.
You Def not right in using it now and been using it off and on for a few yrs stuff works great but I only use it for maybe 3-4 days in a row but heb I'll just need up and take pills again but this time in done dam pills ruining my life in always broke
I completely agree with you, but detox centers cost a lot of money. i traded Suboxone for kratom over 3yrs ago.
Way better than Suboxone
Yes Suboxone wd last way longer and is more intense.
You’re not going to build a dependency from Keaton in the few days it takes to withdrawal. But as it goes for that and suboxone, if you keep taking it when you don’t need it after the first few days, sure you’ll become addicted. Just be smart, use it for the withdrawal help, then plain, stop.
Kratom works. I'm on day 6 cold turkey from heroin and methadone with kratom I was able to sleep a little after the 4th day I got the green vien
Glad to hear you are making progress. FWIW tests of red vein vs green vein kratom show no chemical differences. Just like many people drink alcohol and only some get addicted, undoubtedly people react differently to kratom. One of the biggest concerns with kratom is that, sold as an unregulated supplement, there isn’t certainty around consistency, potency, and ingredients, which have been shown to vary widely in the products sold in the US. We treat numerous patients who tried to use kratom to detox off of other opiates but became dependent on kratom. Best wishes!
Please, if you think you need it and it helps, stop using it ASAP. I didn’t and now, years later, I’m taking WAY to much and have withdrawals similar to those of subutex. I believed everyone who said it would be like quitting a caffeine habit. It’s not, it’s much worse! It’s very similar to the subutex withdrawals, just not as intense. Looking back, I wish I’d only taken it for a couple of weeks, possibly a month and deal with the lingering anxiety and occasional restless nights. I’m in a world of hurt right now and starting a new job in a few days. I’m going to taper and try to quit completely over the Christmas break.
I know I’m just a random stranger on TH-cam but please, stop using as soon as possible. You will save yourself from another debilitating addiction.
My beliefs, kratom can be an extremely useful tool to detox if used wisely and sparingly. But just like most other things, it can be dangerously abused.
I take 10 mg of methadone a day …I wanted to stop methadone and try to start Kratom but everything I read says the two together are dangerous… do I have to wait a few days for the methadone to be out of my system b4 taking kratom ??
@@NakitaCherie im not to sure I heard someone in the comment section of another video he did fent & then took kratom & he said he was fine & didn't have to wait to take it
But no one talks about how harmful Kratom is for your organs over years of use
What's your source on that?
That's becaue it isn't. I can attest to that. It's mild, it's beneficial and when taken responsibly, as with anything, has no harsh impacts on the body. Yes, you'll, have some w/ds when you taper off but it's the least difficult of all the opioid off ramp options. Don't listen to this pharma shill creep "doctor" he's just a self interested salesman.
Ibogaine works best for opioid detox
It’s really not for detox, I went to Mexico for a tx, it was like tripping shrooms and I needed to go to the hospital and also continue taking benzos
good video. It's pronounced 'kra-tom' not 'kray-tom'. (I'm a Thai speaker).
Thanks for letting us know, Mike! In our area, most everyone prounounces it kray-tom. Best wishes!
O no it’s the grammar police 👮♀️ 😂 it reminds me of that scene on Harry Potter - himani granger leviosa 😂
Kratom helps people get off subs not the other way around.
Hi
do you know if you can take Kratom to help with brupenorphine withdrawals? Was planning on taken it for maybe a week on a low does, any advice would be appreciated 🙏
I tried Kratom when I last relapsed in 2015. It did not make the withdrawals from IV heroin any less miserable or intense. It was also expensive, and tasted terrible.
It did give me a bit of energy, kinda like an “extreme” cup of coffee, but it didn’t really do anything to stop the heroin withdrawals. Kratom is not an opioid, that needs to be made clear.
Eventually I came to like the energy boost and started using it daily, and then multiple times a day.
About two weeks in, I realized I was taking it too much and spending too much money on it, and stopped.
I couldn’t really tell if the withdrawals afterwords were directly from Kratom or if they were still from the insane $400 a day IV heroin use still, but it definitely wasn’t fun.
Maybe if someone is just using smaller doses of pharmaceutical opioids, Kratom could perhaps help them taper. But if you’re an IV heroin user and your tolerance is so high that even buprenorphine won’t take the withdrawals away, don’t waste your time or money on Kratom.
Nick, I was up to around 300 10mg Norco in a week when I jumped straight to Kratom. Did you try more than 1 kind? And you can wrap the powder in oblate disks or cap it (caps are less effective, but some people can't take it any other way) & you have to rotate strains/vendors to avoid tolerance. It took some hard work and time to find what worked for me. You're right, it doesn't stop all the withdrawal symptoms, but it helps a lot.
@@daniellebetz7175 I tried multiple kinds, extracts, blends, tried putting the powder in caps from a vitamin shop, tried pressed pills from Jackson Kratom, etc. They all basically did the same thing, which was a minor energy boost, but didn't do anything at all for any kind of withdrawal symptoms. Nothing at all to take away the lightning under the skin feeling, or the constant pain and anxiety, nausea and diarrhea. If anything the additional energy boost, however minor, caused even more anxiety during withdrawals and more nausea. Hydrocodone is one thing, but if you're IVing hundreds of dollars worth of heroin, your receptors are going to be completely annihilated.
@@5urg3x unfortunately, there are people that Kratom does not work for, at all. I have tons of people who were iv heroin users who used Kratom successfully to get off of heroin, fentanyl, etc. It's completely different for every single person. What works for one won't always work for another. I wish that wasn't the case. But, it does work for the majority. Im sorry it wasn't effective for you. Suboxone and Methadone don't work for everyone, either. It's likely something to do with the person's genes.
@@daniellebetz7175 I’m trying very hard to stop suboxen.. I’ve been on them for a long time and I’m tired of always having to take something.. Im willing to hurt and be uncomfortable but I just want to stop. I hope Kratom works for me
@@mipapi9167 just be gentle with yourself coming off of Suboxone. I am pretty certain you will have PAWS for some time coming off subs. It's one of the more difficult substances to come off of. If you have insurance, you might look into a medical detox from it.
It's strange to me that you would use
Kratom to help with opiod addiction
only to have withdrawal symptoms
from Kratom and then have to kick
it also talk about ironic
Kratom IS an opioid by definition because it binds to Mu receptors. I support the use of kratom to treat synthetic opioid addiction because it's much, much safer to use. However...I don't support the recreational use of kratom. It's more addictive than cocaine. The withdrawals from kratom will last much longer than withdrawals from cocaine or ecstacy. These 'kratom cafes' are dumb imo. 1 or 2 outta every 10 people who frequent them will catch a habit they don't even fully know is a risk. Don't play with drugs that bind to opiate receptors. They should only be used for medical applications.
Kicking kratom is nothing like kicking oxy fet dope or even subs.... That's why
You have no idea what you are talking about man and definitely shouldn't be telling people about something you do not know and haven't been through
Hi William-Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Dr Coleman is in recovery himself and has experienced opioid withdrawal. Unfortunately many patients come to us for help getting off kratom after they have used it to try to self-detox off of opioids, and ended up getting hooked on kratom. The kratom sold in the US comes in varying forms, with unclear additives, and unvalidated potencies. It is less reliable than evidence-based, FDA-approved forms of Medication for Opioid Use Disorder (MOUD) like naltrexone, buprenorphine, and methadone which are manufactured, tested, and sold with transparent, accurate labeling.
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Why are you supporting man made chemicals instead of natural herbs that do the same job? We need to figure out ways to reduce the use of unnatural ingredients used for treatment. Who knows what that stuff will do to you in the long run? Its always been scientifically proven that anything natural is good for the body.
Using an opiate to get off opiates always baffled me...to get off opiates you need to incorporate marijuana therapy...you will not suffer five minutes if you smoke marijuana during opiate cessation..
It helps but you have obviously never withdrawn for hard opiates.
@@dagestanifive kidding?..try ten years solid using oxycontin...quit cold turkey .didn't sleep for two solid weeks...yeah...I know all about opiates ..and I conquered that addiction relatively pain free using weed...
@@richardlawson6787 congratulations for you but weed doesn't work for everybody. It damn sure didn't help when I detoxed off heroin. It just made it worse.
@@dagestanifive good point..one size doesn't fit all ..I spend my life warning people to avoid opiates like the plague because once you taste that euphoria your brain remembers and wants more...I get it...and when you quit you feel like doing nothing but lay in bed...but it passes...might be six months .a year...two years...but eventually you get back to normal.
Two weeks not sleeping doesn’t sound pain free. But awesome job with detoxing yourself!
Trading heroin or oxy for kratom is trading one addiction for another...much less serious addiction.
So what if I use Kratom now thay om.ln 2 mg methadone detox and on a week it will go down to zero mg ? Does kratom help me with that low dose ? Cuz I started having some crazy leg pains and insomnia due to withdrawal!
Did you use kratom?
I have always said that before anyone gets a license to prescribe opioids ,that they should have to take them to dependency and then go through withdrawals,otherwise there will never be a humane treatment for getting people off opioids and they actually have a method but it’s kept hush hush. You have to have money and they can put you under and flush your system while you’re unconscious and when you wake up, you have already gone through withdrawals at a highly accelerated rate using antagonists and you’re given like a mild dose of benzodiazepines for a week or two to help restart your circadian rhythm. It’s all about the benjamins and it’s only successful for people that got hooked because of failed surgeries and the only treatment was pain treatment until they could safely go back in . If I could afford it, I would be on a plane to Colorado (that’s where the clinic is) and go through the process so I can finally move on instead of this slow,torturous,painful and depressing period for longer than most can imagine. I am seriously considering kratom since I have been lowering my dose and I can get to 20 mgs per day without too much pain but from there it’s just pure torture. And I don’t want another chemical shackle like suboxone either. I will deal with my physical pain myself,without opioids because it’s the opioids that are the source of almost all of my health issues excepting the physical ones it’s prescribed for. I just think I can treat it without opioids and that’s my goal.
Where is this clinic and what is it called. I’m really interested n I live here in co
If your using daily, 3-6 times a day to keep from being sick.
Then Kratom can help some people and doesn't do much of anything for those who are really, really using. Because their tolerance is already so high.
I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend NOT getting on methadone or suboxone or subs, your trading heroin, which has a a very short half-life, for "medications" that have a half-life of 30 days or more, depending on your metabolism, which means you WILL eventually have to withdraw from those medications and pain is much worse and much longer.
While heroin withdrawal does suck, methadone withdrawal will literally make you cry for several days.
The best thing I can tell someone who's addicted to heroin is to just try your best to kick with kratom, GABA, Melatonin, Magnesium and zinc filled drinks like Biolyte IV in a bottle, water and what helps the most is sunlight, so your body produces Vitamin D naturally, hot showers and the one thing that will make you feel better faster is to get up and be active, if you lay in bed, your mind will CONSTANTLY race and you will dwell on using again and because you dwell, your pain will be much worse, if your actively doing something and at the same time listen to podcasts, your mind will relax much, much easier, you will sweat, you will have chills, but you'll find that they come and go and if you can just get through the day 30mins to 1hr at a time, you'll find the pain and symptoms come and go and it helps you learn that you can get through it
yeah. A 5 DAY KRATOM WITHDRAWAL OR A MONTH OR 2 FROM SUB'S.... I'LL TAKE THE KRATOM WITHDRAWAL DOC!!!