I was only aware of Reem as a manufacturer of residential and light commercial heating, cooling, and plumbing products. Interesting to learn of some of their other activities.
It seems only Japanese forms like Hitachi really succeeded in expanding across multiple market sectors. GE and I think IBM have recently spun off pieces.
It's kinda interesting that the Americans and the British had so many tanks and projects developed just to counter the IS3. Imagine if they knew about the IS4 and IS7 and the other crazy projects that the Soviets had.
I think they kinda feared the possibility of them having the potential to have a much more scarier design… They may have had a hint. But they likely didn’t wanna take the chance of waiting so they made countless projects in a hurry… Any project, concept, was in their eyes… Another potential competitor to any of the IS series tanks
I remember that my mom used to use a Rheem vacuum cleaner when I was a child. ; ) Wow, this is an incredibly interesting vehicle! I have never heard of this vehicle before--thank you for bringing it to my attention. I would have loved to have seen A Rheem Hunter face off against the Swedish Strv 103. ; )
Rheem in Australia were the inventor of the truck chassis mounted concrete agitator, the delivered readymix concrete truck. The first building, worldwide, to be constructed using concrete mixed offsite was The Parliament House building in Canberra in 1928.
This design combines many good ideas - even by todays standards. A cast hull in this shape would be a lot harder to penetrate due to its lack of straight edges. It would blend better into the landscape - unlike any box-shaped tank and, most probably, even provide a low radar signature. 180° turret travel is IMHO sufficient in most cases, especially considering the typical thin rear armour of most tanks. Gun elevation+depression are very good, especially for a design featuring a low-mounted turret like this. The beetle-wing escape hatch could be done with an explosive blow-away type feature for emergency escape. Of course, hydraulic drive and rockets instead of shells have its limits and are a dead end. But I like most of the rest, really good out-of-the-box thinking!!
some good, new ideas, but a lot of really dumb, stupid ones: petrol engine ?? They learn nothing from the Sherman aka "Ronson" on ww2 ?? Autonomy - crap, power ratio - again crap, guns - another dumb idea - is hard to fit ONE good, big gun in a conventional turret - but to fit there two of them, was really silly. The guns will become slow as hell if the turret rotate more, and at high elevation - 2 rounds / minute ?? That is horrible. And the range was hilarious short - wtf, a hand weapon could fire at longer range ! 500 yards ?? That is what, some 450m ?? No wonder they dropped the design, too many stupid ideas...
@@mirandela777 The US tanks of the 50ies all used petrol engines originally. They changed later to Diesel for fuel economy reasons. If you are referring to the 120 miles as "autonomy", that was seem adequate for a heavy tank, certainly better than the M103 at the time. 645 HP for a 45 ton(short ton,I suppose) tank, that's 14.33 HP/ short ton. Comparing it to the M103's 12.6 HP/short ton, that's pretty good. In metric,the Rheem "The Hunter's" power to weight ratio would be 15.8 HP/t, which is better value than the opposing side's heavy tank, the T-10M's 14,42 HP/t. Also, Shermans tend to catch fire easier(until the introduction of wet stowage) because of their ammunition placement. The infamous Tiger has a similar ammunition placement and if their armour was penetrated and hit one of the ammo stowage above the tracks,the result was a destroyed tank as well. If a tank needs one large conventional gun, to provide good elevation and depression values, the turret ring must be large as well. That means the top of the hull must be wide enough. That usually means a large hull, etc, etc, so we end up with a large tank with a large turret, like the M103. A 'rocket gun' has less recoil than a conventional gun,therefore needs a smaller turret ring,therefore you can make a smaller hull,therefore the result can be a smaller tank. About the 500 yards range, watch the video again. They provided data about *accuracy* for 500 yards. This doesn't mean that the rocket can go only 500 yards. However, this range is still insufficient. And I suspect the rocket guns were far from accurate at 2000 yards.
The rate of fire is 120rpm,only dropping to 2rpm per gun (4rpm) at max depression. This is presumably average rate of fire, because there is no reason the magazines would be affected by turret position. Range 500 yards is the accurate combat range, the accurate combat range of most rifles is considered to be ~500yards, so no handguns do not have longer range. As for not being enough, it would be perfectly fine in urban or jungle/forrest terrain. And one doesn't really want or need heavy tanks in open terrain, where their slower speed would actually be noticeable. Not what the Americans wanted, limited in use, but not terriable either. Certainly not as bad as you are making it out to be.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 - "it would be perfectly fine in urban " lol dude, why you defend stupidly this crap ? Use more than a braincell and watch your dumb logic : "urban warfare" means high elevation = RoF of 2 ! This crap will be transformed in a death trap before could shoot a second shell, in an urban fight, lol .
@@bencejuhasz6459 "They changed later to Diesel for fuel economy reasons." ECONOMY ?? hahaha ! Since when the Army EVER cared about "economy" ?? Lol dude ! They learned from russians Diesel was the way NOT for economy but yes for AUTONOMY dude, a whole different thing ! Add to that the fact the diesel is not catching fire so easy like the gasoline, and a diesel engine gives you more torque and 2x more autonomy, and generally more lifetime. "If a tank needs one large conventional gun, to provide good elevation and depression values, the turret ring must be large as well" NOP. Just look at Armata Tank, with a much smaller turret and a big gun. That was a good innovation, a working one, not jamming 2 pee-pee guns in a turret with a range far inferior to a rifle... Nice design for comic books, not so nice for modern battlefield.
Excellent stuff dude!! New sub! Please keep feeding us this stuff. I love the historical background of the Rheem brothers and how they responded to your current inquiry. When i saw the rounded hull i immediately wondered how that would a) increase deflection of incoming rounds, and b) affect its radar profile, if that’s even a thing. Very cool!! Thanks for this high quality, well researched production. Keep up the good work. Love and respect from USA’s heartland!
I'm quite impressed at the technical aspects of the silica armour. It appears that Rheem intend to incorporate the armour package during the casting process, I can't think of how they'd go about it.
@@armouredarchives8867 I guess the big problem with such a package would be that once activated by a hit it has to be replaced which would mean cutting it out of the glacis.
Never heard of this company before (I live in the UK) - great research and presentation thanks - seems like a few good ideas in there - love the split rear deck as a bullet shield... Bet it looked like it was about to take off!
I'm not surprised Rheem didn't work with you. They're an...odd company. They were a client at a past job and they were difficult to work with. Different divisions not only don't talk to each other, but distrusted the other and seem to be in open conflict - which was the only thing they were open about. I'm surprised a company pulled so hard in so many directions has survived.
Odd that there was little response from Rheem. I'd be proud to have the concept associated with my company! lol Some cool ideas. Even though the project wasn't ultimately successful there's some interesting concepts proposed. Thanks for the video.
Rheem company still exists in Australia. They make electrical items, water heaters both electric and gas, and various others items of a commercial or industrial nature.
The game is odd because it tries to be historically accurate, but has things like the MAUS and R3. (I don't think it served, but I could be wrong.) However, I think it would be really cool to try out.
Nice presentation ! ... I knew from my industrial tech research that Rheem had their fingers in many things, but I was not aware of their involvement in the US Oscillator series - IIRC, I had photographed one of them rather extensively in front of the Detroit Artillery Armory in the early 1980s ... Makes me wonder how their decision loop brought them to the HVAC and water heaters we know them for now ...
Ah hell....As an old, tired, wore out M60A1 and First Edition M1 Abrams kind of Mech Infantry and Armored Cav tanker....I think I would have been much, much happier with either an up gunned, up armored, and diesel powered "Hetzer"....Which the "Hunter" clearly mimicked after a fashion. Or God help me, an M60A2 "Starship".
Will you ever do a video on FV100 series, those accordingly 100+ tons UK tanks? If there is any real information about it, or at least how it looked alike.
alas a designation but never designed or drawn, its an fv number allocated for any potential super heavy, i went though most of bovvys archive many years ago on that hunt
This Tank is used in the Ice Crusade expansion pack for Cuban Missile Crisis: The Aftermath along side the MBT-70 (Which shoots rockets instead of shells) and the OBJ-279. The Hunter does have a strange and pretty neat design. Also many other prototypes are used The Aftermath and Ice Crusade along side Modern Tanks as cheat units.
That machine gun turret on top was awesome looking ...all that molded steel would have been an awesome infantry support vehicle ...to bad it was never built
Since I was confused by the 'T-43' in the drawings, I'll post this here: that (more accurately the T43) is the early designation for the M103 Heavy Tank.
Rheem is a household name in Australia. Biggest on hot water systems. My hot water system died . In looking for a new one . I purchased a solar solarhart one . Solarhart was a pioneering Solar power company. It was taken over by Rheem . The solarhart hot water system I purchased was of a rugged design that has been around for 40 years . So the are these same design solar hot water systems still serviceable after 40 years . My power bill use to be 120 dollars a month . Now down to $20 / month . I do not use air conditioning. Nor do I have a pool . All my ceiling fans are going all the time . So my hot water power use , use to be my biggest expense . Thank you Solarhart and Rheem .
I would hazard a guess on the rate of fire and suggest that the magazine and/or extraction system was fixed in some way and the guns had to return to a extraction position after firing. It would be the simplest reason, and would also coincide with the simplest engineering solution to have an automatic magazine feed & auto ejection system. Couple it with the US penchant of the period 1950-1980 for hydraulic systems rather than electrical and that'll be why it's slow and limited ROF across some arcs/elevations?
i pondered this, and as said it had clips, so it could be that once the clips ar empty it drops to the lower rate of fire, but they didnt add that in? however thats speculation, possibl its the ejection mecanism? - its interestign but sadly rheem didnt go into details
@@armouredarchives8867 I was thinking more that the clips were 90 degrees from where they would be when facing straight forward. The motion would require a lot more manipulation of the rounds. Also, to reload the gun on the far side of the gunner, you would need to get past the gunner. That said, I would assume in practice, they wouldn't attempt to reload the gun when rotated 90 degrees.
That's clearly the best tank design that ever was, and it will certainly be revised at some point. I would change the hydraulic motors for pneumatic, and return the air (compressed and piped from engine exhaust) through "liquid armor" side fuel tanks though. Some light anti-aircraft, guided missiles are hitting mach 2-4 to replace those old recoilless rocket rippers in the design (using ruskie 57E6 for example, with 20KM range), which makes an AT variant of the same, out of dual barrels of a 2-tank wing able to wipe out an entire platoon of mechanized infantry in a flash, and still have lots of machineguns for close-in discouragement. The logo, cast on the surface, would likely be a good "field up-armor" feature, if it were a honeycomb design that let an expeditionary force fill the cells with dirt, metal scrap, and camouflaging materials.
A work of genius. Imagine one with a more conventional centraly mounted gun with enough range. It would alter the proportions but the overall concept could have been kept the same.
Dividing the gun put too much weight on the ammo, and not enough weight down range. They could have even sacrificed more traverse to upsize the gun. Lots of good ideas among the many ideas at play, here.
I lived in Richmond about 1.5 miles from Rheem Manufacturing. You could see a water tower with the company name on it. This would be from 1958 until somewhere in the late 80's.
That makes entirely too much sense. I was wondering how those big magazines would follow the barrels through elevation and depression, but the simple answer is: "They don't." I guess there just isn't enough space. Shame, that.
I had thought that Rheem was a local Australian company which produced hot water heaters. I would, however, suggest that if they appear highly unmotivated to reveal their DOD work, they are likely very deeply involved in such ongoing work for DARPA or worse.
been thinking about a design with dual turrets; one very flat and low-profile like on that tank, and one conventional mounted at the rear. wouldn't be as unrealistic as some other multi-turret designs, since the rear turret wouldn't have to have as much of "neck" to be able to fire over the front turret
Only one engine, the rest are hydraulic motors. Probably still a pain in the ass, but less so than so many engines. (Yes, I know, I'm being frustratingly pedantic, but engines and motors are different, despite often being used interchangeably in everyday speech)
Quite a very interesting designed tank. I really liked the design of the main guns and it's auto-loading feature, though shame it had very poor range. In some regards the Russians have carried on this concept in their Armata range of vehicles.
Christmas is early this year. Once you see that thing in Hunnicutt`s book - you won`t forget it easily. Great work and thanks for digging all that info. Any chance for RDF/LT prototype from AAI corporation?
It really does seem like the hunter couldve been at least somewhat successful. Minus the 105 rocket guns range and accuracy and the loading issues at extreme angles, the tank itself seems like a good concept. Too bad the army did have a problem with not taking "untried" tech, not like they couldnt just fix or adjust designs as they went along and got better anyways
*My conclusion immediately upon seeing the access hatch in its full glory:* The most advanced, all-terrain American hatchback ever designed. The big three automakers should be ashamed.
Great content. I would like to ask if you have any plans to explain the TOG II series tanks? Especially when I learned that Bovington’s current main gun may be a 28-pounder gun.
yes bovvys is a 28 pounder, tbh andrew hills, is doign a tog series as hes the author of the tog books, and it would be bad manners to step in his shoes, his tog stuff is the best out there bar none
Would still be pretty obsolete. As we saw with the "S-Tank" Strv-103 and the Soviet prototype Objekt 490 there isn't much room for high-survivability tank-hunting MBTs in the 21st century. If I had to wager the future is in high mobility tanks with intelligence networking and electronic warfare capabilities. Guns will probably go up to 130/140/152mm calibres as composite armour and ERA technology continues to develop, and we're likely to see integrated mini drones and cruise missiles incorporated into tank fleets. I don't see sniper tanks of this type at least being particularly successful, but I could be wrong. Maybe a future conflict on the steppes of China and Mongolia could see a resurgence in the need for long-range tank destroying. Who knows.
thanks again for another one of my "never heard of it" vehicles! as others have noted, this does look like something a toy manufacturuer in the 50s/60s would have made - but interesting, nonetheless, cheers!
You should send this info to World of Tanks, tank development center, they are always looking for tanks that were never produced to fleece their flock.😁
@@arsenalxa4421 I forgot that existed, simple as that. I should probably correct my self then. Most of the original stuff was grounded in reality. Though I would not be that surprised if some of it was still real.
@@TheCptnOfFail I got to talk with one of the vehicle designers a few years ago. Apparently he had worked for FMC before he went to Hasbro, so of course he adapted a few real world weapons platforms.
GREAT VIDEO !!!!! ive never heard of this tank i think it was pretty cool except it needed bigger guns the hull design would of been good for deflecting rounds fired at it i think . great job !
My first impression of this AFV was positive however my second glance away from the profile was the tracks with the low profile it has negated the arc of fire to perhaps 10 to 15-degrees whereas present day design give both secondary and main armaments a 360-degree arc of fire. e. that date back to 1915 which makes it highly questionable for a number of practical reasons. learly excellent feature being it's low profile from a protection standpoint but this limits the armaments, both main and secondary arc of fire unlike tank and the spotter's view particularly in uneven terrain. Today's designs means the armaments have 360-degrees albeit some cannot fire their main armaments when sideways on consequently mobility is an absolute must.
Spg's dint need the same arc of fire that MBT's need. This tank would be used similar to jagdpanthers, or hetzers or jagdpanzers. They would sit in an ambush position and then fire upon the enemy.
unless i can find relaible archival reports myself it would be unlikley, all the stuff i do is original sources but maybhe if i can get to russia one day!
I was only aware of Reem as a manufacturer of residential and light commercial heating, cooling, and plumbing products. Interesting to learn of some of their other activities.
It seems only Japanese forms like Hitachi really succeeded in expanding across multiple market sectors. GE and I think IBM have recently spun off pieces.
@@catsupchutney Imagine being a major manufacturing company and being known for vibrators
@@ThorWedd Bringing joy to so many.
@@ThorWeddI can already see the advertising slogans...
Well, isn't that dank
While hubby in our tank
Storms an enemy beach
Our toys make wifey screech
The Army M113 APC and WW2 Landing Vehicle Tracked were built by Food Machines Company
It's kinda interesting that the Americans and the British had so many tanks and projects developed just to counter the IS3. Imagine if they knew about the IS4 and IS7 and the other crazy projects that the Soviets had.
Object 279.
I think they kinda feared the possibility of them having the potential to have a much more scarier design…
They may have had a hint. But they likely didn’t wanna take the chance of waiting so they made countless projects in a hurry…
Any project, concept, was in their eyes…
Another potential competitor to any of the IS series tanks
I use their hot water heater’s all the time in my plumbing business. Good product. They make a superior gas fired tankless water heater as well.
I remember that my mom used to use a Rheem vacuum cleaner when I was a child. ; ) Wow, this is an incredibly interesting vehicle! I have never heard of this vehicle before--thank you for bringing it to my attention. I would have loved to have seen A Rheem Hunter face off against the Swedish Strv 103. ; )
I'm a plumber so this is the most interesting tank story I have ever seen.
Rheem in Australia were the inventor of the truck chassis mounted concrete agitator, the delivered readymix concrete truck.
The first building, worldwide, to be constructed using concrete mixed offsite was The Parliament House building in Canberra in 1928.
just found the patent for it! they also designed land mines...bet they love that fact :P
This design combines many good ideas - even by todays standards. A cast hull in this shape would be a lot harder to penetrate due to its lack of straight edges. It would blend better into the landscape - unlike any box-shaped tank and, most probably, even provide a low radar signature. 180° turret travel is IMHO sufficient in most cases, especially considering the typical thin rear armour of most tanks. Gun elevation+depression are very good, especially for a design featuring a low-mounted turret like this. The beetle-wing escape hatch could be done with an explosive blow-away type feature for emergency escape.
Of course, hydraulic drive and rockets instead of shells have its limits and are a dead end. But I like most of the rest, really good out-of-the-box thinking!!
some good, new ideas, but a lot of really dumb, stupid ones: petrol engine ?? They learn nothing from the Sherman aka "Ronson" on ww2 ?? Autonomy - crap, power ratio - again crap, guns - another dumb idea - is hard to fit ONE good, big gun in a conventional turret - but to fit there two of them, was really silly.
The guns will become slow as hell if the turret rotate more, and at high elevation - 2 rounds / minute ?? That is horrible. And the range was hilarious short - wtf, a hand weapon could fire at longer range ! 500 yards ?? That is what, some 450m ?? No wonder they dropped the design, too many stupid ideas...
@@mirandela777 The US tanks of the 50ies all used petrol engines originally. They changed later to Diesel for fuel economy reasons. If you are referring to the 120 miles as "autonomy", that was seem adequate for a heavy tank, certainly better than the M103 at the time. 645 HP for a 45 ton(short ton,I suppose) tank, that's 14.33 HP/ short ton. Comparing it to the M103's 12.6 HP/short ton, that's pretty good. In metric,the Rheem "The Hunter's" power to weight ratio would be 15.8 HP/t, which is better value than the opposing side's heavy tank, the T-10M's 14,42 HP/t.
Also, Shermans tend to catch fire easier(until the introduction of wet stowage) because of their ammunition placement. The infamous Tiger has a similar ammunition placement and if their armour was penetrated and hit one of the ammo stowage above the tracks,the result was a destroyed tank as well.
If a tank needs one large conventional gun, to provide good elevation and depression values, the turret ring must be large as well. That means the top of the hull must be wide enough. That usually means a large hull, etc, etc, so we end up with a large tank with a large turret, like the M103. A 'rocket gun' has less recoil than a conventional gun,therefore needs a smaller turret ring,therefore you can make a smaller hull,therefore the result can be a smaller tank.
About the 500 yards range, watch the video again. They provided data about *accuracy* for 500 yards. This doesn't mean that the rocket can go only 500 yards. However, this range is still insufficient. And I suspect the rocket guns were far from accurate at 2000 yards.
The rate of fire is 120rpm,only dropping to 2rpm per gun (4rpm) at max depression. This is presumably average rate of fire, because there is no reason the magazines would be affected by turret position.
Range 500 yards is the accurate combat range, the accurate combat range of most rifles is considered to be ~500yards, so no handguns do not have longer range.
As for not being enough, it would be perfectly fine in urban or jungle/forrest terrain. And one doesn't really want or need heavy tanks in open terrain, where their slower speed would actually be noticeable.
Not what the Americans wanted, limited in use, but not terriable either. Certainly not as bad as you are making it out to be.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 - "it would be perfectly fine in urban " lol dude, why you defend stupidly this crap ? Use more than a braincell and watch your dumb logic : "urban warfare" means high elevation = RoF of 2 ! This crap will be transformed in a death trap before could shoot a second shell, in an urban fight, lol .
@@bencejuhasz6459 "They changed later to Diesel for fuel economy reasons." ECONOMY ?? hahaha ! Since when the Army EVER cared about "economy" ?? Lol dude !
They learned from russians Diesel was the way NOT for economy but yes for AUTONOMY dude, a whole different thing ! Add to that the fact the diesel is not catching fire so easy like the gasoline, and a diesel engine gives you more torque and 2x more autonomy, and generally more lifetime.
"If a tank needs one large conventional gun, to provide good elevation and depression values, the turret ring must be large as well" NOP. Just look at Armata Tank, with a much smaller turret and a big gun. That was a good innovation, a working one, not jamming 2 pee-pee guns in a turret with a range far inferior to a rifle...
Nice design for comic books, not so nice for modern battlefield.
Dang I thought this design was too niche to get coverage, great to learn more about it!
WoT and WT are salivating as they watch this
One of the most umderated channel and the most amazing and enjoyable content , as a extreme tank enthusiast i can easily say that
thanks!
An amazing design for the time and practical application to today. This was definitely thinking outside the box! Impressive.!
Excellent stuff dude!! New sub! Please keep feeding us this stuff. I love the historical background of the Rheem brothers and how they responded to your current inquiry. When i saw the rounded hull i immediately wondered how that would a) increase deflection of incoming rounds, and b) affect its radar profile, if that’s even a thing. Very cool!! Thanks for this high quality, well researched production. Keep up the good work. Love and respect from USA’s heartland!
Welcome aboard!
From a purely aesthetic standpoint, this vehicle very futuristic and quite beautiful. Imho.
Do you mean aesthetic?
@@StromBugSlayer Yep. Damn autocorrect.
It looks like an insect.
I'm quite impressed at the technical aspects of the silica armour. It appears that Rheem intend to incorporate the armour package during the casting process, I can't think of how they'd go about it.
i would need to check, they did it on on eof the T95's if i recall and proposed it for m48 - il see if i can find the info
@@armouredarchives8867 I guess the big problem with such a package would be that once activated by a hit it has to be replaced which would mean cutting it out of the glacis.
Another great video, I'd heard of the Hunter but knew nothing about it, It was a very innovative design.
Used to have a hot water heater by Rheem 😅
OMG- they litterally made tanks before they made tanks 😳
@JZ's Best Friend water heaters are routinely hazardous and occasionally outright dangerous…so, yes!
Never heard of this company before (I live in the UK) - great research and presentation thanks - seems like a few good ideas in there - love the split rear deck as a bullet shield... Bet it looked like it was about to take off!
I'm not surprised Rheem didn't work with you. They're an...odd company. They were a client at a past job and they were difficult to work with. Different divisions not only don't talk to each other, but distrusted the other and seem to be in open conflict - which was the only thing they were open about. I'm surprised a company pulled so hard in so many directions has survived.
That’s pretty cool tbh: our scifi dystopia doesn’t enough openly antagonistic, schizophrenic conglomerates with heavy industry and military divisions
WOW and I only thought Rheem only just made Hot Water systems here in Australia. Now I have new trivia. When I'm down at the pub
Odd that there was little response from Rheem.
I'd be proud to have the concept associated with my company! lol
Some cool ideas. Even though the project wasn't ultimately successful there's some interesting concepts proposed.
Thanks for the video.
Very scifi looking. Love this type of content.
Rheem company still exists in Australia. They make electrical items, water heaters both electric and gas, and various others items of a commercial or industrial nature.
Also have a drum making plant in Bulimba Brisbane.
This tank looks so unique and cool. Too bad the company didn't do more _Rheemsearch_ about what the Army needed!
Hurray - new content!!!
We need these sort of rare, weird tanks in War Thunder.
No, for that we have World of Tanks.
agreed, they have the yoh series tho
Would be nice if in wot they weren't op
The game is odd because it tries to be historically accurate, but has things like the MAUS and R3. (I don't think it served, but I could be wrong.) However, I think it would be really cool to try out.
@@HarrisonSD03 I haven't heard of the R3. but there were 2 maus prototypes that functioned but nothing beyond that I think
The part about Oscilating Turrets was very fascinating, always keen to learn about US Autoloader Tanks.
Nice presentation ! ... I knew from my industrial tech research that Rheem had their fingers in many things, but I was not aware of their involvement in the US Oscillator series - IIRC, I had photographed one of them rather extensively in front of the Detroit Artillery Armory in the early 1980s ... Makes me wonder how their decision loop brought them to the HVAC and water heaters we know them for now ...
Ah hell....As an old, tired, wore out M60A1 and First Edition M1 Abrams kind of Mech Infantry and Armored Cav tanker....I think I would have been much, much happier with either an up gunned, up armored, and diesel powered "Hetzer"....Which the "Hunter" clearly mimicked after a fashion. Or God help me, an M60A2 "Starship".
Will you ever do a video on FV100 series, those accordingly 100+ tons UK tanks? If there is any real information about it, or at least how it looked alike.
alas a designation but never designed or drawn, its an fv number allocated for any potential super heavy, i went though most of bovvys archive many years ago on that hunt
@@armouredarchives8867 Thank you for answering, although it's a sad conclusion.
FV101 Baneblade, FV102 Shadowsword and the FV103 Stormsword, all lost to history.
OUTSTANDING Historical work!!!
This Tank is used in the Ice Crusade expansion pack for Cuban Missile Crisis: The Aftermath along side the MBT-70 (Which shoots rockets instead of shells) and the OBJ-279. The Hunter does have a strange and pretty neat design. Also many other prototypes are used The Aftermath and Ice Crusade along side Modern Tanks as cheat units.
That machine gun turret on top was awesome looking ...all that molded steel would have been an awesome infantry support vehicle ...to bad it was never built
Since I was confused by the 'T-43' in the drawings, I'll post this here: that (more accurately the T43) is the early designation for the M103 Heavy Tank.
indeedy
Thank you for another weird and wonderful story that is completely new to me.
what a beauty, I'd love to see this pop up in alt hist fiction and games
Rheem is a household name in Australia.
Biggest on hot water systems. My hot water system died . In looking for a new one . I purchased a solar solarhart one . Solarhart was a pioneering Solar power company. It was taken over by Rheem .
The solarhart hot water system I purchased was of a rugged design that has been around for 40 years . So the are these same design solar hot water systems still serviceable after 40 years .
My power bill use to be 120 dollars a month . Now down to $20 / month .
I do not use air conditioning. Nor do I have a pool . All my ceiling fans are going all the time . So my hot water power use , use to be my biggest expense .
Thank you Solarhart and Rheem .
I remember seeing Star Wars Episode 3 at that Rheem theater, it's still up and going today.
I would hazard a guess on the rate of fire and suggest that the magazine and/or extraction system was fixed in some way and the guns had to return to a extraction position after firing. It would be the simplest reason, and would also coincide with the simplest engineering solution to have an automatic magazine feed & auto ejection system. Couple it with the US penchant of the period 1950-1980 for hydraulic systems rather than electrical and that'll be why it's slow and limited ROF across some arcs/elevations?
No question mark required.
I imagine the slow reload rate had to do with the loader location vs where the ammunition had to be positioned when rotated.
i pondered this, and as said it had clips, so it could be that once the clips ar empty it drops to the lower rate of fire, but they didnt add that in? however thats speculation, possibl its the ejection mecanism? - its interestign but sadly rheem didnt go into details
@@armouredarchives8867 I was thinking more that the clips were 90 degrees from where they would be when facing straight forward. The motion would require a lot more manipulation of the rounds. Also, to reload the gun on the far side of the gunner, you would need to get past the gunner.
That said, I would assume in practice, they wouldn't attempt to reload the gun when rotated 90 degrees.
@@mucoursi8588 yes, but the auto-loader still needs to have rounds loaded into it. The graphic in the video shows rounds stored by the loader.
We had Rheen Caliphone reel to reel tapes systems in our languages lab at my built in the 1960's highschool.
All the motors!
That's clearly the best tank design that ever was, and it will certainly be revised at some point.
I would change the hydraulic motors for pneumatic, and return the air (compressed and piped from engine exhaust) through "liquid armor" side fuel tanks though. Some light anti-aircraft, guided missiles are hitting mach 2-4 to replace those old recoilless rocket rippers in the design (using ruskie 57E6 for example, with 20KM range), which makes an AT variant of the same, out of dual barrels of a 2-tank wing able to wipe out an entire platoon of mechanized infantry in a flash, and still have lots of machineguns for close-in discouragement. The logo, cast on the surface, would likely be a good "field up-armor" feature, if it were a honeycomb design that let an expeditionary force fill the cells with dirt, metal scrap, and camouflaging materials.
A work of genius. Imagine one with a more conventional centraly mounted gun with enough range. It would alter the proportions but the overall concept could have been kept the same.
Dividing the gun put too much weight on the ammo, and not enough weight down range. They could have even sacrificed more traverse to upsize the gun. Lots of good ideas among the many ideas at play, here.
I lived in Richmond about 1.5 miles from Rheem Manufacturing. You could see a water tower with the company name on it. This would be from 1958 until somewhere in the late 80's.
This thing reminds me of the concept art for
the NOD tick tank from C&C Tiberian Sun. 😁
9:38 my guess would be that the auto-loader needs the barrel to be level.
That makes entirely too much sense. I was wondering how those big magazines would follow the barrels through elevation and depression, but the simple answer is: "They don't." I guess there just isn't enough space. Shame, that.
Im kind of sad this was never built ...... its like a very angry bug and looks almost like a "space tank"
Great work Sir thank you for the great work
Most interesting. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Quite futuristic looking tank, would have been nice to see it produced!
I had thought that Rheem was a local Australian company which produced hot water heaters. I would, however, suggest that if they appear highly unmotivated to reveal their DOD work, they are likely very deeply involved in such ongoing work for DARPA or worse.
Excellent video I think that I never heard of
Well this is quite a crazy tank concept.
been thinking about a design with dual turrets; one very flat and low-profile like on that tank, and one conventional mounted at the rear. wouldn't be as unrealistic as some other multi-turret designs, since the rear turret wouldn't have to have as much of "neck" to be able to fire over the front turret
Did someone really design a tank that would require its crew to maintain SIXTEEN separate engines?
That crew would have felt seriously Rheemed.
Only one engine, the rest are hydraulic motors. Probably still a pain in the ass, but less so than so many engines. (Yes, I know, I'm being frustratingly pedantic, but engines and motors are different, despite often being used interchangeably in everyday speech)
Quite a very interesting designed tank. I really liked the design of the main guns and it's auto-loading feature, though shame it had very poor range. In some regards the Russians have carried on this concept in their Armata range of vehicles.
Dude I REALLY want this tank to be added to Blitz now. Lol that thing looks so alien, I love it.
Excellent video as usual. The individually powered road wheels and rubber track was a bit of a stretch.
Fascinating design. Probably way too progressive for its era. Today, most if not all it's bugs could have been fixed.
Exactly what i was thinking.
Amazing what people who've never been tankers think... "Patriot"? Probably an anti-Constitution Trmpette.
Excellent video Sir 👍
This thing looks much more like something from David Drake´s Hammer´s Slammers novels than anything else. Whoah.
Christmas is early this year. Once you see that thing in Hunnicutt`s book - you won`t forget it easily.
Great work and thanks for digging all that info.
Any chance for RDF/LT prototype from AAI corporation?
Seems like an excellent tank
It really does seem like the hunter couldve been at least somewhat successful. Minus the 105 rocket guns range and accuracy and the loading issues at extreme angles, the tank itself seems like a good concept. Too bad the army did have a problem with not taking "untried" tech, not like they couldnt just fix or adjust designs as they went along and got better anyways
*My conclusion immediately upon seeing the access hatch in its full glory:*
The most advanced, all-terrain American hatchback ever designed. The big three automakers should be ashamed.
This tank looks like it's straight out of battle tech. Especially with that second wide turret
The Rheem logo and tanks would fit right into the Fallout series.
The smooth shape reminds me of the AMX 40 Duck from World of Tanks.
Great content. I would like to ask if you have any plans to explain the TOG II series tanks? Especially when I learned that Bovington’s current main gun may be a 28-pounder gun.
yes bovvys is a 28 pounder, tbh andrew hills, is doign a tog series as hes the author of the tog books, and it would be bad manners to step in his shoes, his tog stuff is the best out there bar none
m.th-cam.com/channels/IJnYaVC5KnwUCnp77N4ITw.html
Here you go. TOG.
Potentially revolutionary vehicle. Where can I get more on the Gun and autoloader system please?
This tank appears in the game Cuban Missile Crisis: Ice Crusade
had to google it, is that a blitzkreig reskin?
@@armouredarchives8867 it uses the same engine but has some added features, like a turn based strategic mode
Funny thing. A variation can work at this time period with the technology we have now.
Would still be pretty obsolete. As we saw with the "S-Tank" Strv-103 and the Soviet prototype Objekt 490 there isn't much room for high-survivability tank-hunting MBTs in the 21st century.
If I had to wager the future is in high mobility tanks with intelligence networking and electronic warfare capabilities. Guns will probably go up to 130/140/152mm calibres as composite armour and ERA technology continues to develop, and we're likely to see integrated mini drones and cruise missiles incorporated into tank fleets.
I don't see sniper tanks of this type at least being particularly successful, but I could be wrong. Maybe a future conflict on the steppes of China and Mongolia could see a resurgence in the need for long-range tank destroying. Who knows.
8:36 and 8:42 they switched the machine guns to the other side of the gun?
huh...well spotted! missed that
@@armouredarchives8867 Thanks! I'm loving these rounded, cast tank designs. Keep up the good work!
thanks again for another one of my "never heard of it" vehicles! as others have noted, this does look like something a toy manufacturuer in the 50s/60s would have made - but interesting, nonetheless, cheers!
Back in the day the tech wasnt up to the concept...now though...this would make one hell of a fast moving light tank that could knock out heavies
this is what WOT needs to bring into the game
That thing is slick...
This tank is rather reasonable.
You should send this info to World of Tanks, tank development center, they are always looking for tanks that were never produced to fleece their flock.😁
Don't you mean War Thunder? Oh wait...they _both_ have a love/hate relationship with paper tanks?
Very cool
That seriously would look at home in the Bolo or Hammer's Slammers universe.
Very interesting and well prrsented, thank you!👍🇬🇧
How about the CDL and why so many resources used and why it was never really deployed
i got a load of cdl last archive run, i have more to get, its quite facinating how it was supposed to work and why it wasnt used will be covered too
They also make residential hot-water tanks.
Were not any guided rockets by that time?
yes a few, but a lot bigger and chunkier - these were convetional rockets
120 shots per minute.... Holy shit
just spam them with rounds ... their armor will break one way or the other
Now, that looks like it belongs in Battletech.
thank - you .
This feels like a G.I. Joe vehicle in every sense of the word.
Almost every vehicle from G.I. Joe appears to actually be based on a real world design.
@@TheCptnOfFail Explain the DiC seasons vehicles, then.
@@arsenalxa4421 I forgot that existed, simple as that.
I should probably correct my self then. Most of the original stuff was grounded in reality.
Though I would not be that surprised if some of it was still real.
@@TheCptnOfFail I got to talk with one of the vehicle designers a few years ago. Apparently he had worked for FMC before he went to Hasbro, so of course he adapted a few real world weapons platforms.
@@arsenalxa4421 That's actually really neat.
GREAT VIDEO !!!!! ive never heard of this tank i think it was pretty cool except it needed bigger guns the hull design would of been good for deflecting rounds fired at it i think . great job !
Do the S-tank. Strv 103.
I would like to hear something more about Chrysler tank from World of Tanks, please....K is the mark I believe.
Bet there are a few Superfund sites with their Company name attached.
My first impression of this AFV was positive however my second glance away from the profile was the tracks with the low profile it has negated the arc of fire to perhaps 10 to 15-degrees whereas present day design give both secondary and main armaments a 360-degree arc of fire. e. that date back to 1915 which makes it highly questionable for a number of practical reasons. learly excellent feature being it's low profile from a protection standpoint but this limits the armaments, both main and secondary arc of fire unlike tank and the spotter's view particularly in uneven terrain. Today's designs means the armaments have 360-degrees albeit some cannot fire their main armaments when sideways on consequently mobility is an absolute must.
Spg's dint need the same arc of fire that MBT's need. This tank would be used similar to jagdpanthers, or hetzers or jagdpanzers. They would sit in an ambush position and then fire upon the enemy.
can you cover the Object 279 k please
unless i can find relaible archival reports myself it would be unlikley, all the stuff i do is original sources but maybhe if i can get to russia one day!
@@armouredarchives8867 ok
Love your stuff mate keep it up, question did the matilda black Prince ever actually exist and if so would you do a vid on it. Ta
A well loved name, in S. Fla. 11 out of 12 months a year.
А задумка такого танка реально интересная, только немного опоздали.
That was very interesting, just a quick question, you put out so much brilliantly researched stuff, do you get time to work, eat and sleep?
Sometimes
I have a Rheem air conditioner in my house