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@@falcoskywolf In my copy of the Iliad, Priam observes that Odysseus is "shorter than Agamemnon by a head." More interesting to me, though, is how BROAD some of these men are supposed to be: Agamemnon is "well-built" and "a fine figure of a man." Odysseus is "broader in the shoulders and chest." Then "Menelaus, with his wide shoulders, was more prominent, but when both were seated Odysseus was lordlier." I'm sure Agamemnon is not a skinny man, so Helen's husband Menelaus is just, like, ABSURDLY broad.
Fun fact, In the song There are Other Ways, the lyrics were supposed to say 10 long years instead of 12 due to of course Odysseus was at war for 10 years, but Jorge accidentally wrote 12. SO new head canon from Jorge is either Ody was lying, adding more years to appeal to Circe, or he's just bad at numbers. I'm on the latter side lol
There was a headcannon i heard that said that Politese was responsible for the calander for birthdays but now that he's dead nobody really knows which day it is.
Or it could just be that the detours so far had taken a couple dozen months. They were on an oar ship, not an aeroplanes. Sailing takes months, and that’s without a god scattering you about.
The opening instrumental of Puppeteer is a slowed down lyric instrumental of Full Speed Ahead "Polites gear up. You and I'll go ahead. We should try to find a way no one ends up dead."
I always hear the line "Watch where the birds fly They will lead us to land There we'll hunt for food, my second in command" during that part because Eurylochus is the one who is about to speak right after that riff so i thought it was meant to reiterate that he is the second in command... but honestly the Polities line being what is heard here probably makes more sense because Odysseus is reflecting on the losses they have suffered and wallowing in some guilt.
And a common theme is when the crew and eurylochus doubting odysseus the melody of luck runs out plays. Luck runs out plays in the back while eurylochus was about open up to odysseus. And in a later song in act 2 where eurylochus and odysseus fight the same theme plays.
The line I always think of is "Give me till sunrise, and if we don't return, then 600 men can make this whole place burn." Because they are now on a new island without those 600 men
@@gamerhalim2486Ohh that's why I keep thinking about Luck's Run Out! I recognise the Full Speed Ahead one but not Luck's Run Out and thoughts it's just because of the Eurolycus brain connection and it's so familiar. Thank god I found this comment before i went mad
Okay literally no one has mentioned it for AnniFlamma's Animatics, but there is a brilliant bit of visual story telling for Circe. She has a ribbon or a bit of Vine, something the she wears as a bracelet through "Done For" and "Other Ways" this is all she has left of one of the Nymphs that they lost to the strangers they previously let live when they came to the Island, we can see it own one's wrist as it's being grabbed by one of the Men. Circe wears it in her memory and to remind her not to trust outsiders. It is why she "...Protects them (the Nymphs) at all costs." We see it again when she begins tempting Odysseus with S*x, and even tells him if " You want to save your men from the fire, show me that you're willing to burn." he has to be willing to submit to the burning lust of another the way she does to protect the Nymphs. the Bracelet is also featured on the shot of the two pulling back and forth, they are fighting over similar things there is so much power both have but they aren't fighting for power but to protect their people and see them safe. Finally the Bracelet is seen when Circe decides to help, and she movers it from her wrist to tying back her hair, she's putting it behind her but still on her mind, She can give others another chance without forgetting the world can be a dark place. There's so much one little detail can bring out visually.
Doesn't that also tie into Odysseus having polites headband wrapped around an arm as well, they both have reminders of those they have lost and why they are fighting for their people who remain.
Fun fact: Jorge and Circe's VA started dating during the recording of the musical (I think during? They *are* dating though) 11:48 the imagery of them bringing out a pig on a platter hits different when you know that she turns men into pigs, lol 20:03 another fun thing I found out about from someone elses reaction, at this point in the song (when Hermes appears briefly in the animatic) you can actually hear a Harp in the background, which is his instrument
23:44 iiac, the danger motif is in a triangle progression; it might be easier to spot in 'No Longer You' 30:27 another thing I learned from a different reaction is that Hermes is actually one of the few Greek gods that will actually give blessings or whatever for nothing in return. also he is Circe's ex so that also plays a part in it, lol 32:27 also funny thing about the Final Fantasy allusions, Jorge said that Eurylochus canonically has a Cloud Strife sword, so 50:34 tWelvE lOnG yEaRs
"I have been in love once before"... Name's Picus. The poor guy was married to a nymph and refused Circe's advances. Because of that, he was transformed in a woodpecker by her.
your sense of memory is INCREDIBLE when it comes to remembering the melodies of previous songs! it’s so fun hearing you compare them and talk about the progression changes and stuff. also chuckling every time you called jorge george. 😭🤣 i am sure he’s used to that mistake, haha! it was so fun hearing you break down the circe saga instrumentals and emotions. your insights are so dang fun!
Crashite's luck runs out is my favorite of the luck runs out animatics, as it has them on the ship while Eurylecus is sowing doubt and shows the men and its very good at showing that "Eurylecus. Not here. Not now. Maybe DONT talk doubt in front of the soldiers against the general??? What are you doing???"
I was just wanted to point out a little detail. The violin motif heard at 49:03 is not the danger motif, it's Penelope's, Odysseus' wife. It is to signify he is thinking about her. But you are right, we have heard it before, in The Horse and the Infant and Keep Your Friends Close. Good video though, love watching your reactions to Epic.
I honestly love seeing you geeking out about this musical!! because this has been me for the last few months! and good catch on the underworld main melody! I know you said you don't really catch all the lyrics, but just a note that the underworld is mostly ody talking to himself so lyrics are about 70% of what is going on
Underworld has already been reacted to and will be uploaded next Monday, same time and place, but my Manager says I did an amazing job with it so I'm sure it's fine!
Don’t push yourself too hard! If you’re best with instruments and motifs stuff you don’t have to do lyrics if you don’t want - I love your analysis-s and reactions
Any time you have a deity of any sort, their instrument is always accompanied by synths to separate them from the mortal men beneath them on the hierarchy
I have only seen two reactors catch the Habanera in this saga and I’m so excited you are one of them. I figured you would catch it since you focus so much on the music. So fun. Also Omg I didn’t catch the rickroll. Atta boy Jorge (hor-hey).
These are not my findings but someone else pointed it out in another reaction or comments of a reaction and I learned the other one from Jorge. First In wouldn’t you like Hermes goes: “You must consume and digest it Then you'll manifest a being of your creation All you need's imagination Though it's only for a moment 'Til you've beaten for opponent” And then in the animatic that you watched and it can also kinda be shown in the song lyrics as well but right after Odysseus says “you lost” that was when Circe started to get the upper hand because the herb stopped working because he had “beaten his opponent.” Second Jorge said that in the animatic of Done for, he had wanted Odysseus to summon a cyclops because of what he learned from the cyclops. About how even though he’s slow, when he has a weapon in his hand he can do some serious damage, and that’s why he was only winning when the cyclops had a club type weapon in his hand. He was basically taking what he knew and using it in other aspects. Like how he did in the ocean saga with the wind bag or the lotus fruit with the cyclops itself.
We've told him after all the recording is finished for through Underworld Saga, hence why I figured I'd have my fun with joking about George while we still have it pronounced like that -Mala the editor
Small tidbit is he summons a cyclops to fight her chimera so theres abit of irony in that he uses the vestige of a priorly defeated foe to fight a new one Also it is canon that they summon those as you can hear the cyclops roar and jorge had a canon animation made with a cyclops and chimera
Oh yeah the "rick roll drum line" if i remember correctly is just a very popular drum progression used in disco music, so I don't necissarily think it was a rick roll reference, but it would be pretty funny XD
Mircsy’s My Goodbye and Polyphemus animatics are really good! You should check those out as well. Her Warrior of the Mind animatic is good as well, but my fav is definitely the first two.
Since I haven’t seen any note of it, I love the double meaning in “Circe’s got you” she’s pulling them into a sense of safety saying “I’ve got you!” But also she’s telling them they’re trapped cuz she’s got them in her control
What’s interesting with the first motif of puppeteer is that it is actually a shared motif that is the prevelanr motif of temalachus’s song legendary. (Odysseus’s son). So maybe the start of the song starts with Odysseus thinking about how his son is doing and that’s why he’s so adamant about dismissing his second in command.
Hamilton was a big influence on Jorge's first musical, and some of the early Epic music drafts/demos were more audibly Hamilton-influenced. (Lin Manuel Miranda and Jorge Rivera Herrans are also both from the same region - Puerto Rico - which might also be a shared sound influence, I'm not sure)
idk if you noticed but you didnt mention it but when Ody said its been 12 long years thats wrong. its only been 10 years and when someone mentioned it Jorge admitted it was a mistake and it was too late to change it. people still love to come up with theories to explain the extra 2 years and my personal favorite is that Polites was always the person to keep track of the calendar to make sure everyones birthdays were celebrated so when Polites died nobody kept track anymore
Instrumental of puppeteer is mostly strings, but I believe it’s more of a lyre than a japanese instrument, as Jorge uses mostly western instruments to symbolize his characters, so it’s more western strings and synths
@@Diana1-c3q nah. I think he wanted to say something like "Captain, your Hybris is making you loose the trust of your crew. You need to accept listening to other people opinions " or something like that
@@StargazeVODhe says he has something he must confess. Remember, in the song beforehand, the crew betrayed Ody's orders and opened the bag. He was prolly one of the people that opened the bag or he at least knew about the crew's plans but didnt stop them. Now, he's feeling guilty cos almost all their men died.
@@TheCanderemy maybe! That's a cool theory. Maybe we'll know later (I don't follow the updates posted by Jorge because I want to discover the songs when they'll be released, but maybe it's already explained)
at 5:19, you can hear the melody of "Luck Runs Out", the song where Eurylochus starts questionning Odysseus' leadership, playing on the piano very faintly in the background (I only noticed bc I listen to music with headphones on), which represents Eurylochus' lingering doubt, which is only further amplified when Odysseus is dismissive of him.
Bit of a necro here, but at 39:30 when she calls him out about hermes, they actually made it less funny than in the original, because in Homers version, Hermes gave Odysseus the moley, then immediately went and told circe that he had given it to him, and sat back with a metaphorical bucket of popcorn to watch the drama unfold like the incredible shit-stirrer that he is haha
After Epic I would recommend SIX the musical. It's fun and a bit shorter, I believe each of the queens has roughly 3 or so artists that inspired them and it's fun to try to figure those out. Also there are several good animatics that go with the songs and in-between parts though I also recommend the live version.
If you can pick one Greek god to be in your corner, and not screw you over, its Hermes. Unlike the other Greek Gods, Hermes is the most in touch with humanity, being the God of travel, poetry, sport, and trade. The other Gods don't deserve the power they have, with how they treat mortals they need for worship. Hermes on the other hand will ride or die if he thinks what your doing can troll a God.
I've seen that you stream on twitch, do you also stream TH-cam? Or is that some conflict of interest? Also, love your insights on these songs, I never would've noticed the Rick roll. 😄 🤣
Puppeteer: I believe the sequence is a call back to just a man. Wouldn't you like: Is my favorite, but doesn't have a best animatic. Hermes is summarized as the messenger god, but I think that means all aspects. Done for: Chimera vs Polyphemus, I don't recall if Odysseus projected him or not There are other ways: 12yrs, the horse and the infant said the war was 10yrs. So they have been at sea for 2yrs already for a 10 day journey. Also notice how Circe and Odysseus said there's no puppet here, but then begs let us puppets leave. Underworld Saga: I love all three and have trouble picking a favorite. The Underworld by TheeArteest No Longer You by Krieo Monster by gigi other: Just a man by gigi (for monster) Warrior of the mind by mircy (I like the artist's detail, also has animatics for other songs) (might as well add My Goodbye and just a man) Luck runs out by Jen (would recommend Crashite's and his Keep your friends close but he cuts it off) Keep your friends close by Ximena Natzel
I will admit that I also thought his name was George but with a j. In my defense I'm white and I'd only ever seen his name spelled once I heard it I realized my mistake.
Why does nobody ever also do Puppeteer by Ximena Natzel? Gigi is amazing, but it makes more sense to do them both in a row if you're doing one of them?
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Puppeteer animatics by Gigi
Wouldn't you like animatic by Ximena Natzel
Done For animatic by AnniFlamma
There are Other Ways animatic by AnniFlamma
Can I recommend Rochi's "Monster" animatic? th-cam.com/video/GMZZs89ailw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lpqT6iS2_boNqckO
BTW I do believe that Jorge, the composer and voice of Oddysseus, has stated that he has taken inspiration from Hamilton.
Hi, think my previous comment was deleted because it had a youtube link; Rochi's "Monster" animatic was great, albeit a bit of a rough draft
also yes Carmen was a huge inspo for the Circe music
I still love that the entire Epic fandom collectively decided that everyone is taller the Odysseus, we love a short king, literally
Short king for life!
Pretty sure almost all of the epic cast are taller than Jorge, so...
It's hilarious because it's because everyone's taller then Jorge and he himself has made a joke out of it 😂
Apparently this fits Homer's canon as well. I've heard tell that he specifically said Odysseus is short.
@@falcoskywolf In my copy of the Iliad, Priam observes that Odysseus is "shorter than Agamemnon by a head." More interesting to me, though, is how BROAD some of these men are supposed to be:
Agamemnon is "well-built" and "a fine figure of a man."
Odysseus is "broader in the shoulders and chest."
Then "Menelaus, with his wide shoulders, was more prominent, but when both were seated Odysseus was lordlier."
I'm sure Agamemnon is not a skinny man, so Helen's husband Menelaus is just, like, ABSURDLY broad.
Fun mythological fact: Hermes invented the lyre, so that's why Jorge chose a harp for the instrument that represents Hermes.
Getting rickrolled by Hermes? Can't even be mad, it's a vibe 💃🕺
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that famous drum lick!
And for more Hermes energy, check out Troy Doherty. A handful of great songs and more and more shorts with Hermes taking over.
Fun fact, In the song There are Other Ways, the lyrics were supposed to say 10 long years instead of 12 due to of course Odysseus was at war for 10 years, but Jorge accidentally wrote 12. SO new head canon from Jorge is either Ody was lying, adding more years to appeal to Circe, or he's just bad at numbers. I'm on the latter side lol
There was a headcannon i heard that said that Politese was responsible for the calander for birthdays but now that he's dead nobody really knows which day it is.
Or it could just be that the detours so far had taken a couple dozen months. They were on an oar ship, not an aeroplanes. Sailing takes months, and that’s without a god scattering you about.
@@SantosoWijayaThat’s what I went with. Dealing with all Odysseus went through while sailing, probably took some time.
@@SantosoWijaya yeah that was my headcanon too
Oh, the Underworld Saga is going to TEAR U APART!
Oh it already did don't you worry!
The opening instrumental of Puppeteer is a slowed down lyric instrumental of Full Speed Ahead
"Polites gear up.
You and I'll go ahead.
We should try to find a way no one ends up dead."
I always hear the line
"Watch where the birds fly
They will lead us to land
There we'll hunt for food, my second in command" during that part because Eurylochus is the one who is about to speak right after that riff so i thought it was meant to reiterate that he is the second in command... but honestly the Polities line being what is heard here probably makes more sense because Odysseus is reflecting on the losses they have suffered and wallowing in some guilt.
And a common theme is when the crew and eurylochus doubting odysseus the melody of luck runs out plays. Luck runs out plays in the back while eurylochus was about open up to odysseus. And in a later song in act 2 where eurylochus and odysseus fight the same theme plays.
The line I always think of is
"Give me till sunrise, and if we don't return, then 600 men can make this whole place burn."
Because they are now on a new island without those 600 men
@@gamerhalim2486Ohh that's why I keep thinking about Luck's Run Out!
I recognise the Full Speed Ahead one but not Luck's Run Out and thoughts it's just because of the Eurolycus brain connection and it's so familiar. Thank god I found this comment before i went mad
Okay literally no one has mentioned it for AnniFlamma's Animatics, but there is a brilliant bit of visual story telling for Circe. She has a ribbon or a bit of Vine, something the she wears as a bracelet through "Done For" and "Other Ways" this is all she has left of one of the Nymphs that they lost to the strangers they previously let live when they came to the Island, we can see it own one's wrist as it's being grabbed by one of the Men. Circe wears it in her memory and to remind her not to trust outsiders. It is why she "...Protects them (the Nymphs) at all costs." We see it again when she begins tempting Odysseus with S*x, and even tells him if " You want to save your men from the fire, show me that you're willing to burn." he has to be willing to submit to the burning lust of another the way she does to protect the Nymphs. the Bracelet is also featured on the shot of the two pulling back and forth, they are fighting over similar things there is so much power both have but they aren't fighting for power but to protect their people and see them safe. Finally the Bracelet is seen when Circe decides to help, and she movers it from her wrist to tying back her hair, she's putting it behind her but still on her mind, She can give others another chance without forgetting the world can be a dark place. There's so much one little detail can bring out visually.
Doesn't that also tie into Odysseus having polites headband wrapped around an arm as well, they both have reminders of those they have lost and why they are fighting for their people who remain.
@@speedy01247 yep.
The Motif you noticed was actually Full Speed Ahead from thr 1st saga, it's used as shorthand for being on the boat.
“What does this melody mean?”
“Boat”
“What?”
“Boat”
I have to say "Wouldn't you like" is up there as one of my absolute favorite songs. I've been replaying it for over a week now 😂
It is quite the banger. I r listened to it wayyy too many times at this point!
Fun fact: Jorge and Circe's VA started dating during the recording of the musical (I think during? They *are* dating though)
11:48 the imagery of them bringing out a pig on a platter hits different when you know that she turns men into pigs, lol
20:03 another fun thing I found out about from someone elses reaction, at this point in the song (when Hermes appears briefly in the animatic) you can actually hear a Harp in the background, which is his instrument
23:44 iiac, the danger motif is in a triangle progression; it might be easier to spot in 'No Longer You'
30:27 another thing I learned from a different reaction is that Hermes is actually one of the few Greek gods that will actually give blessings or whatever for nothing in return. also he is Circe's ex so that also plays a part in it, lol
32:27 also funny thing about the Final Fantasy allusions, Jorge said that Eurylochus canonically has a Cloud Strife sword, so
50:34 tWelvE lOnG yEaRs
Does the other reaction happen to be Mortius or Casper
@@C0mput3- yis
"I have been in love once before"...
Name's Picus. The poor guy was married to a nymph and refused Circe's advances. Because of that, he was transformed in a woodpecker by her.
your sense of memory is INCREDIBLE when it comes to remembering the melodies of previous songs! it’s so fun hearing you compare them and talk about the progression changes and stuff.
also chuckling every time you called jorge george. 😭🤣 i am sure he’s used to that mistake, haha!
it was so fun hearing you break down the circe saga instrumentals and emotions. your insights are so dang fun!
Thank you! I appreciate it! I've had fun trying to find all the little Easter eggs as Jorge puts it!
Crashite's luck runs out is my favorite of the luck runs out animatics, as it has them on the ship while Eurylecus is sowing doubt and shows the men and its very good at showing that "Eurylecus. Not here. Not now. Maybe DONT talk doubt in front of the soldiers against the general??? What are you doing???"
I'm not prepared for the Underworld Saga again. It will make me cry like it always does.
I'm not ready either, I haven't heard it yet -Mala the editor
I was just wanted to point out a little detail. The violin motif heard at 49:03 is not the danger motif, it's Penelope's, Odysseus' wife. It is to signify he is thinking about her. But you are right, we have heard it before, in The Horse and the Infant and Keep Your Friends Close. Good video though, love watching your reactions to Epic.
I noticed I called the wrong motif after going back and listening to it! Thank you for the correction!
I honestly love seeing you geeking out about this musical!! because this has been me for the last few months! and good catch on the underworld main melody! I know you said you don't really catch all the lyrics, but just a note that the underworld is mostly ody talking to himself so lyrics are about 70% of what is going on
Underworld has already been reacted to and will be uploaded next Monday, same time and place, but my Manager says I did an amazing job with it so I'm sure it's fine!
@@sunoshecano3837 I am sure you did! Can't wait
Don’t push yourself too hard! If you’re best with instruments and motifs stuff you don’t have to do lyrics if you don’t want - I love your analysis-s and reactions
My favorite theory of why Odysseys says 12 and not 10 is bc Polites was the only one keeping track of the calendar.
49:10 "BADADAAA, THATS THE DANGER MOTIV WE HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE"
penelope: offended
Lol I know that was probably Penelope's theme but my brain was looking for similarities with motives!
well, if penelope knew and odysseus went thru with it.... it WILL be a danger motif
Any time you have a deity of any sort, their instrument is always accompanied by synths to separate them from the mortal men beneath them on the hierarchy
The drums sound like it could also be the "DADA BA BA BUM BUM I can feel it, coming in the air tonight~"
I have only seen two reactors catch the Habanera in this saga and I’m so excited you are one of them. I figured you would catch it since you focus so much on the music. So fun. Also Omg I didn’t catch the rickroll. Atta boy Jorge (hor-hey).
These are not my findings but someone else pointed it out in another reaction or comments of a reaction and I learned the other one from Jorge.
First
In wouldn’t you like Hermes goes: “You must consume and digest it Then you'll manifest a being of your creation
All you need's imagination
Though it's only for a moment
'Til you've beaten for opponent”
And then in the animatic that you watched and it can also kinda be shown in the song lyrics as well but right after Odysseus says “you lost” that was when Circe started to get the upper hand because the herb stopped working because he had “beaten his opponent.”
Second
Jorge said that in the animatic of Done for, he had wanted Odysseus to summon a cyclops because of what he learned from the cyclops. About how even though he’s slow, when he has a weapon in his hand he can do some serious damage, and that’s why he was only winning when the cyclops had a club type weapon in his hand. He was basically taking what he knew and using it in other aspects. Like how he did in the ocean saga with the wind bag or the lotus fruit with the cyclops itself.
If this pattern goes on, I for one am excited for the 4 hour underworld analysis, and then the 7 hour thunder saga when it is released.
Underworld is just as long as Circe even with it having less songs than Circe, so be ready for the mega nerd cut there.
If you still don't know, the creator's name is pronounced "Hor-hey", or something like that :)
We've told him after all the recording is finished for through Underworld Saga, hence why I figured I'd have my fun with joking about George while we still have it pronounced like that -Mala the editor
@@sunoshecano3837seeing a picture of jorge with "George" under it is too funny to me
Yes, Ulysses was *DEFINITELY* a part of Odysseus's crew.
Big part of the civil war too
I'm so addicted to this musical, and your reactions to it especially are just the best!
"Put something riveting up here."
(Puts the act of riveting onscreen)
I WHEEZED for a solid minute there.
Small tidbit is he summons a cyclops to fight her chimera so theres abit of irony in that he uses the vestige of a priorly defeated foe to fight a new one
Also it is canon that they summon those as you can hear the cyclops roar and jorge had a canon animation made with a cyclops and chimera
Every time you called Jorge(Hor-hey) George I couldn't help but laugh because that's my dad's name 😂
I am terrible be with names!!!! This might just become a meme for me.
WolfyTheWitch’s Polyphemus and Survive animatic is super good!
Oh yeah the "rick roll drum line" if i remember correctly is just a very popular drum progression used in disco music, so I don't necissarily think it was a rick roll reference, but it would be pretty funny XD
Mircsy’s My Goodbye and Polyphemus animatics are really good! You should check those out as well. Her Warrior of the Mind animatic is good as well, but my fav is definitely the first two.
Since I haven’t seen any note of it, I love the double meaning in “Circe’s got you” she’s pulling them into a sense of safety saying “I’ve got you!” But also she’s telling them they’re trapped cuz she’s got them in her control
I was so hyped to see you react to this saga!!
Welcome to the Epic world!
What’s interesting with the first motif of puppeteer is that it is actually a shared motif that is the prevelanr motif of temalachus’s song legendary. (Odysseus’s son). So maybe the start of the song starts with Odysseus thinking about how his son is doing and that’s why he’s so adamant about dismissing his second in command.
@45:03 that was riviting! I've never been so facinated in my life or giggled so hard
This nerdfest of a video is exactly what I needed today. Thank you you beautiful person.
Hamilton was a big influence on Jorge's first musical, and some of the early Epic music drafts/demos were more audibly Hamilton-influenced. (Lin Manuel Miranda and Jorge Rivera Herrans are also both from the same region - Puerto Rico - which might also be a shared sound influence, I'm not sure)
idk if you noticed but you didnt mention it but when Ody said its been 12 long years thats wrong. its only been 10 years and when someone mentioned it Jorge admitted it was a mistake and it was too late to change it. people still love to come up with theories to explain the extra 2 years and my personal favorite is that Polites was always the person to keep track of the calendar to make sure everyones birthdays were celebrated so when Polites died nobody kept track anymore
Personally I think that the strings instrument we hear is Circe's instrument
Instrumental of puppeteer is mostly strings, but I believe it’s more of a lyre than a japanese instrument, as Jorge uses mostly western instruments to symbolize his characters, so it’s more western strings and synths
Fair point. It just sounded very oriental to me!
Did you notice in the flashback that there were *four* nymphs and in present time there are *three* nymphs now
This is relly good! I really enjoyed watching this!
You are amazing, and I am so so looking forward to your take on Underworld ^_^
Jorge took inspiration from several video games and similar things
Me still wondering what Eurylochus wanted to say to Odysseus: 😐
I was sitting there like "Well that's never getting touched on until much later" in the edit too -Mala the editor
You think that Eurylochus has feeling for Odysseus ?
@@Diana1-c3q nah. I think he wanted to say something like "Captain, your Hybris is making you loose the trust of your crew. You need to accept listening to other people opinions " or something like that
@@StargazeVODhe says he has something he must confess. Remember, in the song beforehand, the crew betrayed Ody's orders and opened the bag. He was prolly one of the people that opened the bag or he at least knew about the crew's plans but didnt stop them. Now, he's feeling guilty cos almost all their men died.
@@TheCanderemy maybe! That's a cool theory. Maybe we'll know later (I don't follow the updates posted by Jorge because I want to discover the songs when they'll be released, but maybe it's already explained)
at 5:19, you can hear the melody of "Luck Runs Out", the song where Eurylochus starts questionning Odysseus' leadership, playing on the piano very faintly in the background (I only noticed bc I listen to music with headphones on), which represents Eurylochus' lingering doubt, which is only further amplified when Odysseus is dismissive of him.
From my understanding, Circe is a minor Goddess of Magic, hence why they call her a sorceress or witch
And Hermes is Odysseus's Great Grandfather 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 That riveting joke was INSPIRED.🤣🤣🤣
Bit of a necro here, but at 39:30 when she calls him out about hermes, they actually made it less funny than in the original, because in Homers version, Hermes gave Odysseus the moley, then immediately went and told circe that he had given it to him, and sat back with a metaphorical bucket of popcorn to watch the drama unfold like the incredible shit-stirrer that he is haha
To add to Herme’s trickster nature he’s also the god of travelers and thieves.
“Ulysseuses” 😂
I'm terrible with names!
@@sunoshecano3837 An easy way to remember it is "You really cuss" because he's a sailor.
Thx for the reaction
21:05 Funnily enough, Ulysses is the Latin form of Odysseus.
Watching you talk about the men to pigs thing with your little hawk perched on your shoulder is hysterical.
Would definitely recommend reacting to Mirscy's "My Goodbye" animatic.
VENGEANCE SAGA IS HERE! and oh boy, it hurts
It was Chimera not just a lion
After Epic I would recommend SIX the musical. It's fun and a bit shorter, I believe each of the queens has roughly 3 or so artists that inspired them and it's fun to try to figure those out. Also there are several good animatics that go with the songs and in-between parts though I also recommend the live version.
Thank you for the recommendation!
33:34 I never noticed but now I cannot unhear that
If you can pick one Greek god to be in your corner, and not screw you over, its Hermes.
Unlike the other Greek Gods, Hermes is the most in touch with humanity, being the God of travel, poetry, sport, and trade.
The other Gods don't deserve the power they have, with how they treat mortals they need for worship. Hermes on the other hand will ride or die if he thinks what your doing can troll a God.
I'd love you to react to "Six" the musical based on the life of king Henry the seventh's six marriages.
King Henry the Eighth, but close enough
i dont understand everything you're saying but i feel like im learning a lot lol
I'll give you a hint about the "danger motif." The danger motif is only two notes.
It's more than 2 notes though
I've seen that you stream on twitch, do you also stream TH-cam? Or is that some conflict of interest? Also, love your insights on these songs, I never would've noticed the Rick roll. 😄 🤣
I am toying with starting streams on TH-cam. My computer is not the best so I'm experimenting with multi streams!
Ok, thank you!
Note to editor: LOL 😂
I ALSO THOUGHT OF CARMEN WHEN I HEARD THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME I love that you caught that ((I DIDNT catch the rick roll lmaooo))
Fun fact: Odysseus is related to Hermes
The opening bit was a callback to the end of full speed ahead, i think after oddyseus says 'watch where the birds fly!' just incase u don't know
That riveting was riveting
Thank you, it was absolutely the most riveting editing I've ever done -Editor Mala
i loved the rivoting break
IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED THE RICK ROLL 💀
44:52 What riveting content.
So if Odysseus wants her to stop turning men into pigs, that means he wants Circe to surcease.
My favorite animatic would be mircsy's My Goodbye. Just really love how dramatic it was to me.
Puppeteer: I believe the sequence is a call back to just a man.
Wouldn't you like: Is my favorite, but doesn't have a best animatic. Hermes is summarized as the messenger god, but I think that means all aspects.
Done for: Chimera vs Polyphemus, I don't recall if Odysseus projected him or not
There are other ways: 12yrs, the horse and the infant said the war was 10yrs. So they have been at sea for 2yrs already for a 10 day journey. Also notice how Circe and Odysseus said there's no puppet here, but then begs let us puppets leave.
Underworld Saga: I love all three and have trouble picking a favorite.
The Underworld by TheeArteest
No Longer You by Krieo
Monster by gigi
other:
Just a man by gigi (for monster)
Warrior of the mind by mircy (I like the artist's detail, also has animatics for other songs) (might as well add My Goodbye and just a man)
Luck runs out by Jen (would recommend Crashite's and his Keep your friends close but he cuts it off)
Keep your friends close by Ximena Natzel
I had a feeling you'd really appreciate Wouldn't You Like
Hold onto your butts
I will admit that I also thought his name was George but with a j. In my defense I'm white and I'd only ever seen his name spelled once I heard it I realized my mistake.
Why does nobody ever also do Puppeteer by Ximena Natzel? Gigi is amazing, but it makes more sense to do them both in a row if you're doing one of them?
Ximena's Puppeteer is seriously underrated, I love it
@@liminalpsych I know! I love the part where she has the string around Eurylochus's throat like Circe planned it all!
It has been added to the list of animatics to react to!
@@sunoshecano3837 Thank you so much!!!
Definitely shouldn't call it a Calypso beat in a story about the odyssey /j
I knooow. The irony is not lost on me!!!