I just tried this. What can I say ? Its fucking awesome. I am not the best with an airbrush and pre-shading is in my opinion just a waste of time. You're going to lay down all those panel lines then spend your time worrying about blowing them away when you start the full paint job. But this works so well and its so easy. Did the marbling, the blend and you can see immediately there's a nice tonal variation that's going to look great after some weathering.. obviously as my first attempt it wasn't perfect but you can just tell this is a better method straight away.. Thanks for this.
Good job showing the effect clearly. When paint fades from weathering, it actually shows the strokes of the application of the paint. But first we have to agree we are making accurate looking models. Historically, stylized reproductions in art, have usually appealed to our eyes, but are not accurate. It's an interesting human quirk to be drawn to stylization versus accurate representation. So thanks for helping modeling away from Pre-shading (which I admit, does look cute) and on to the next step of accurate model making.
Just saw this video and dam buddy hahahahaha you got my sub for sure. Kinda accidentally did the marble thing on my 24th scale spit now I know how to tie her in. Thanks. I'm gonna go "DO IT!" now haha.
I tried Spitfire underside. Not perfect, I used Vallejo model air which is not thinning too well. But, I got quite nice tonal variation. I think after watching second time, I "pumped" trigger too much, while it should stay in one place. Blending was easier, and I got quite nice and natural tonal variation. Now, I will try the camo top. Thank a lot for showing this technique!!
I am in total agreement with you about about the whole pre-shading thing. I never did like it and I'd thought I was the only one until I began reading your info. I've been primering model aircraft....sometimes ships....in black since the 1990's. (weathered models ONLY) as it provides the perfect canvas as a starting point to begin laying colors. We think alike brother!
This looks MUCH better and more realistic than the panel line "pre-shading" effect does at 1:42. The pre-shading effect is okay but it never gave much of a marbled or mottled finish like this does.
LOL, the final "just do it" was absolutely hilarious 😂 Nevertheless, I kinda liked the painted surface more before you put the blend coat 🤔... Dunno if you camera had the color saturation level a bit scrambled up, but eventually the gray looked to me a bit too much uniform and "flat". But it could be just my interpretation of your video. Thumbs-up for choosing the camo of the Italian Air force for this "cigar" 😁 (that was the nick for the legendary F104, now long gone to pension...)
Hi, thanks for this very interesting. I will try this - 'cause I am now scared not to!!! :-)On another badass note, I am sure Vader would have liked the black and marble effect stage!!
Great video, very informative. I've decided I want to try this technique but have already primed in dark grey. The base coat will be Medium Sea Grey, so will the technique work over grey primer in this case?
looking at the 3:00 reference picture, have you tried a "bigger" marble pattern? Because I have seen very good modellers with quite the same look that your starfighter has at the end of the video, and while it looks pretty good, I think that the subtle difference of the spots is too "small"... I think when paint fades, it fades in bigger parts if you know what I mean? It's a tad too "spotty" for my taste. In terms of "size" of the tonal variations... anyway. Good video.
If it wasn't for the motivational bit at the end I think I might have just said "eh, whatever." By throwing in that tidbit of intensity, I was truly compelled as to the seriousness of the subject matter covered preceding Shia's plea for continued and increasing motivation. Black Basing....just fuckin' do it is what I got out of it.......i'm doing it.
I notice in the photos that there is a 'pre-wash' effect in the smaller panel sections of the craft. Would hybridding pre-black with pre-wash work? Have you ever tried this?
I know i'm late to the game but how would you do this for a white aircraft? I want to try the idea on my 32nd scale Intruder but I'm worried about covering the white areas of the plane over the black primer. I'm doing the "A" version where the entire underside is white.
Nope. No need to lighten to account for the black. However, I will often lighten where I feel a color is too dark or needs to represent a more faded version of the paint. But I'd be doing that no matter the primer color.
Ok. Thanks. I really like the way it looks. I worked on the A model hornet for 8 years and really see the similarity. I was with VFC12 agressors and they were blue and brown camo, can I keep the same with the blue?
One other question I had was I am using Vallejo Model Air and I thought that was already thinned correct? If so would the thinning be more like 50/50? Thanks
A nice technique, going to have to try it on a future project. For the record, I don't think that preshading should be dismissed, I have seen plenty of photos of aircraft where preshading would be a good option.The problem as I see it is that some builders use the technique waaaayyyy too heavily and too precisely, the pic of the BF109 at the start of this viedo is a perfect example. If anyone saw the video from Chris Becker on Blackbasing vs. Preshading, you would see what I mean. The preshade lines were same all over, perfectly uniform, no gaps or breaks, same width. No fading as one reaches the wing tips. The effect is supposed to be subtle and imperfect. Let a pin wash or all-over wash do the rest.
Yes. It doesn't *have* to be, and you can even introduce multiple colors into the marble layers, BUT I'd highly suggest that the blend be the same as at least one of them.
@@MontyGumby yes. In very deliberate circumstances you can go lighter, too. But most of the time that leads to chasing from both ends to a lifeless muddle.
I've watched this video a few times to get a feel for the marble coat process. Your marbling was pretty well hidden by the blend coat. Curious if, in retrospect, you liked your marble coat better before your blending coat was complete.
+Adam Goatfish Well, that was kind of the goal with this particular aircraft. In my view, black basing isn't about getting some kind of HDR-like contrast, but tonal variation appropriate to the subject being depicted. On the final thing the variation is subtle (as it tended to be on Italian 104s save for a few specific examples for which no one makes markings), but noticeable. See for yourself: doogsmodels.smugmug.com/32ScaleAircraft/132-Italeri-F104S-ASA-Starfigt/i-Q65DKW6
Liam Craven, the problem with pre-shading is that it is not realistic at all. Seriously, I challenge you to actually find anything in full size that weathers with dark lines. Pre-shading is only eye candy. Like the difference between a painting by Thomas Kincaid and Frederic Church. Kincaid is far more "popular" because it is eye candy, but not accurate at all. When I was making the Enterprise 1701-D for STNG at Greg Jein's shop we painted the model so as to break up large monotonous surfaces. Compare the ships of TOS and STNG. I find it amusing that people ended up calling the style of the STNG ship "Aztec", when it was only to break up the surfaces. We would never pre-shade the panel lines and details of the ship, but break up the surfaces - yes.
Fantastic video. Very well explained and for reasons I can't explain I feel I have to just do it.
Don't let your dreams be dreams. Black basing changed my life.
I just tried this. What can I say ? Its fucking awesome. I am not the best with an airbrush and pre-shading is in my opinion just a waste of time. You're going to lay down all those panel lines then spend your time worrying about blowing them away when you start the full paint job.
But this works so well and its so easy. Did the marbling, the blend and you can see immediately there's a nice tonal variation that's going to look great after some weathering.. obviously as my first attempt it wasn't perfect but you can just tell this is a better method straight away..
Thanks for this.
1:38 that model still looks spot on!
Good job showing the effect clearly. When paint fades from weathering, it actually shows the strokes of the application of the paint. But first we have to agree we are making accurate looking models. Historically, stylized reproductions in art, have usually appealed to our eyes, but are not accurate. It's an interesting human quirk to be drawn to stylization versus accurate representation. So thanks for helping modeling away from Pre-shading (which I admit, does look cute) and on to the next step of accurate model making.
Looks good.
Just saw this video and dam buddy hahahahaha you got my sub for sure. Kinda accidentally did the marble thing on my 24th scale spit now I know how to tie her in. Thanks. I'm gonna go "DO IT!" now haha.
Thank you for this video, great technique and I will for sure try it out on the next kit I make. Maybe a Mig-21. Cheers!
I tried Spitfire underside. Not perfect, I used Vallejo model air which is not thinning too well. But, I got quite nice tonal variation. I think after watching second time, I "pumped" trigger too much, while it should stay in one place. Blending was easier, and I got quite nice and natural tonal variation. Now, I will try the camo top.
Thank a lot for showing this technique!!
Great video!
Absolutely amazing. It was a game changer in my case! Thanks a lot!
I am in total agreement with you about about the whole pre-shading thing. I never did like it and I'd thought I was the only one until I began reading your info. I've been primering model aircraft....sometimes ships....in black since the 1990's. (weathered models ONLY) as it provides the perfect canvas as a starting point to begin laying colors. We think alike brother!
Excellent Doog..I learned an awesome technique!...Yes I am going to DO IT!.....(a bit of drool drips)
Brilliant..........where you using lacquer/enamel paint, or acrylic.
This looks MUCH better and more realistic than the panel line "pre-shading" effect does at 1:42. The pre-shading effect is okay but it never gave much of a marbled or mottled finish like this does.
Doing it. Like it.
Nice video! Thx for posting!
LOL, the final "just do it" was absolutely hilarious 😂 Nevertheless, I kinda liked the painted surface more before you put the blend coat 🤔... Dunno if you camera had the color saturation level a bit scrambled up, but eventually the gray looked to me a bit too much uniform and "flat". But it could be just my interpretation of your video. Thumbs-up for choosing the camo of the Italian Air force for this "cigar" 😁 (that was the nick for the legendary F104, now long gone to pension...)
Hi, thanks for this very interesting. I will try this - 'cause I am now scared not to!!! :-)On another badass note, I am sure Vader would have liked the black and marble effect stage!!
Great video! Thank you!
Working my way through your series on black basing. Gonna give it a try on my next model. Question. Where do you get those teeny tiny paint cups?
Tattoo ink cups. Ebay.
@@DoogsModels Thanks, For some reason I thought you were saying testors. Gotta get my ears checked. :)
I really like this approach!! Thanks!! Great vid! TBH- I have always thought pre-shading counter-intuitive. Thanks for the reinforcement!
Instablaster.
Great video, very informative. I've decided I want to try this technique but have already primed in dark grey. The base coat will be Medium Sea Grey, so will the technique work over grey primer in this case?
looking at the 3:00 reference picture, have you tried a "bigger" marble pattern? Because I have seen very good modellers with quite the same look that your starfighter has at the end of the video, and while it looks pretty good, I think that the subtle difference of the spots is too "small"... I think when paint fades, it fades in bigger parts if you know what I mean? It's a tad too "spotty" for my taste. In terms of "size" of the tonal variations... anyway. Good video.
What model airbrush and compressor are you using? I like the effect you're getting with it.
Hello Doog,i would like to know how to it it with black air plaines , for example a P-61 Black Widow.Very intresting your Video.
great video, Thnx for posting. What pressure do you use for the 2 steps ?
If it wasn't for the motivational bit at the end I think I might have just said "eh, whatever." By throwing in that tidbit of intensity, I was truly compelled as to the seriousness of the subject matter covered preceding Shia's plea for continued and increasing motivation. Black Basing....just fuckin' do it is what I got out of it.......i'm doing it.
Great advice, thank you :)
I notice in the photos that there is a 'pre-wash' effect in the smaller panel sections of the craft. Would hybridding pre-black with pre-wash work? Have you ever tried this?
Which photos are you referencing? Timecode would help make sure we're on the same page.
In the video, there are some images that flash through. There was one that the effect is around the rudder.
Cool Im going to DO IT!
How do you configure your airbrush when spraying so close to the model? Lower psi and very limited needle movement?
I know i'm late to the game but how would you do this for a white aircraft? I want to try the idea on my 32nd scale Intruder but I'm worried about covering the white areas of the plane over the black primer. I'm doing the "A" version where the entire underside is white.
7:38 RIP ear drums. lol Great video though.
When you do this proceedure do you need to lighten the original color call outs? I did this on a F15E and I am hooked. Thanks for the video.
Nope. No need to lighten to account for the black. However, I will often lighten where I feel a color is too dark or needs to represent a more faded version of the paint. But I'd be doing that no matter the primer color.
Ok. Thanks. I really like the way it looks. I worked on the A model hornet for 8 years and really see the similarity. I was with VFC12 agressors and they were blue and brown camo, can I keep the same with the blue?
One other question I had was I am using Vallejo Model Air and I thought that was already thinned correct? If so would the thinning be more like 50/50?
Thanks
A nice technique, going to have to try it on a future project. For the record, I don't think that preshading should be dismissed, I have seen plenty of photos of aircraft where preshading would be a good option.The problem as I see it is that some builders use the technique waaaayyyy too heavily and too precisely, the pic of the BF109 at the start of this viedo is a perfect example. If anyone saw the video from Chris Becker on Blackbasing vs. Preshading, you would see what I mean. The preshade lines were same all over, perfectly uniform, no gaps or breaks, same width. No fading as one reaches the wing tips. The effect is supposed to be subtle and imperfect. Let a pin wash or all-over wash do the rest.
I will do it today :)
very informative vid thanks for sharing subbed 😎
so bland coat is the same paint as the marble spots ?
Yes. It doesn't *have* to be, and you can even introduce multiple colors into the marble layers, BUT I'd highly suggest that the blend be the same as at least one of them.
@@DoogsModels marble colors can be darker than the (final) bland right ?
@@MontyGumby yes. In very deliberate circumstances you can go lighter, too. But most of the time that leads to chasing from both ends to a lifeless muddle.
@@DoogsModels I noticed that the marbling is very dense - like Wagyu beef - does it have to be ?
do you need super expensive airbrushes to do this technique? my doesnt spray in a thin line all that well
Onur Erdincler no, but the right paints make a difference. Some aren't as adept at going small or fall apart when thinned too much.
i mainly use tamiya or mr hobby what are your preferences
Onur Erdincler those can both work - I find the most control comes thinning them heavily (starting at 2:1) with lacquer thinner.
ok thanks i will definitely try that, i always used acrylic thinners
Won't making the final coat of paint super thin cause spider webs?
2:18
okay i'm confused why is this mirage 5 in US navy markings?
It's a Kfir variant for Navy/USAF aggressor squadrons
please let me know where do you buy that small plastic cup?
thanks.
Tirta Kart eBay - look for #15 tattoo ink cups
thanks for the prompt reply.
#15 = 15cm in diameter?
15mm! 15cm would be a rather large cup
yes, that's what I mean.
thanks Doog, I really appreciate it very much
How much do you thin the Mr. Surfacer 1500?
2:1 ratio.
what size needle are you using?
Just do it!!! 😂
I've watched this video a few times to get a feel for the marble coat process. Your marbling was pretty well hidden by the blend coat. Curious if, in retrospect, you liked your marble coat better before your blending coat was complete.
+Adam Goatfish Well, that was kind of the goal with this particular aircraft. In my view, black basing isn't about getting some kind of HDR-like contrast, but tonal variation appropriate to the subject being depicted. On the final thing the variation is subtle (as it tended to be on Italian 104s save for a few specific examples for which no one makes markings), but noticeable. See for yourself: doogsmodels.smugmug.com/32ScaleAircraft/132-Italeri-F104S-ASA-Starfigt/i-Q65DKW6
What's wrong with pre-shading panel lines?
doogsmodels.com/2015/09/19/the-problem-with-panel-line-shading/
Liam Craven, the problem with pre-shading is that it is not realistic at all. Seriously, I challenge you to actually find anything in full size that weathers with dark lines. Pre-shading is only eye candy. Like the difference between a painting by Thomas Kincaid and Frederic Church. Kincaid is far more "popular" because it is eye candy, but not accurate at all. When I was making the Enterprise 1701-D for STNG at Greg Jein's shop we painted the model so as to break up large monotonous surfaces. Compare the ships of TOS and STNG. I find it amusing that people ended up calling the style of the STNG ship "Aztec", when it was only to break up the surfaces. We would never pre-shade the panel lines and details of the ship, but break up the surfaces - yes.
okay I will do it
P.S. This is a better technique. Too many modelers overdue the panel lines.
That ending is just plain weird
Who is the psychotically overworked goof shrieking "DO IT! JUST DO IT!" during the presentation? Was this one of your adverts?
HaHa.
What size airbrush nozzle/needle are you using for the marbling?