Thank you for the logical comparison and detailed explanations on the usability of the features. This will be my first Garmin, and I’ve decided on the 965. You’ve saved me $500!
Thank you for bringing sanity to this discussion 🙂I bought the 47mm fenix 8 from a 47mm Epix pro. I am seriously considering returning the fenix 8. I have found the fenix to be a bug-ridden mess, and the major feature I was looking for (speaker and mic) falls way short of being actually usable. Very disappointed.
@@cgarrett1974 completely understand this! The speaker is useless, it's super sad to see happen. I will probably still stick with the F8 because it truly is the best design, and I can't unsee the large bezel on the Epix, but I totally agree with your feelings!
@@hizitefery that's so funny! Nice! And I made this video as somebody who really does dislike the domed design of the 965, and the fonts and user interface, but it can't be debated that there is also total value and useful experience with it!
@@fitgearhunter It was the other way around for me: I returned the FR 965 and got my Fenix 8. The FR 965 pleased me in terms of functions, it was comfortable, but it seems too sporty for me. Instead, the Fenix 8 looks great and you can see that it is a premium watch. Thank you!
@@LouisStephans unfortunately none of those offer enough of a competitive solution, or at the price points. Coros the least - Suunto is the better of the bunch but not as feature rich as the 965 offering
I got the fenix 8 simply because of the design. I have to have a fitness watch with a golf gps just one of my main hobbies. FR has that, but I like the design of the fenix, and didn’t want to get an older watch because it’s pretty obvious the fenix represents a new software platform, so going forward, I would not spend 600 dollars on something that’s not going to get future update support, I would rather spend the money and get something to keep for a while.
@@GarminPro yes I totally agree. I'm basically going to upgrade simply because of the design as well, not because of new features. And lord the golf capabilities are epic!
Just realized I always come to your channel first when considering a new watch. I follow others, but you’re even more authentic (for me) than anyone else. Love your unique, personal perspective and character-keep up the great work!
An important detail to mention is that normally the comparison is between the Fenix 8 MIP display versus Enduro 3. I think there is no point in comparing a display amoled to an MIP, each has its own purpose. BTW, I personally prefer MIP display.
Totally agree and I think that's what most people who make that comparison actually aim at. Even more since there is no 1000 Dollar/Euro MIP model available, so the price difference is even higher.
Thanks for your video, I was waiting/hoping someone would bring the Forerunner watches into the conversation with the new Fenix/Enduro launches. I definitely agree with your conclusions. I bought the 265 last year after not wearing a watch for 20+ years. I am primarily a road cyclist, so my Edge 1030+ is my primary tracking device (with an HR chest strap). For me, the watch was going to be for other tracking (sleep, etc.) along with walking and rucking tracking. As an aside, Garmin really, really need to produce either a dedicated rucking activity or a rucking app!! When I bought the 265, I chose that over the 965 based on the basic nature of my intended use case along with the price savings over the 965. My initial reaction on the Fenix 8 launch was that the device in no way justified the crazy pricing. The new features did not even come close to the price being charged. My attention then turned to the Enduro 3 as an alternative (which many YT channels seem to be pushing), however, having had an AMOLED display, I can't see any reason why I would ever want something else (MIPS). I am not currently doing any type of ultra events where the insane battery capabilities of the Enduro 3 come into the equation. As you demonstrated, the feature set of the top-end Forerunner competes extremely well with the new Fenix/Enduro models (nod to the Enduro 3 battery life). I am wondering where Garmin will take the Forerunner line in the future or if there is a future where there will be updates/new devices for the Forerunner line?
@@ShawnIsBatman great points all around and thank you so much for sharing and such detail! I totally agree, and am currently working working on finishing a review saying the Enduro three is not worth looking at unless you just like the old screen tech that much and needs the crazy better life that much more, because the features and benefits of OLED are just next level and battery life is right there with it. That's so awesome you've had such a great experience with the 265! I wore that one for a while actually but just really wanted the larger display, and this is all coming from somebody who hated the design of either of them because of the domed glass and plastic casing. There was just so much value you couldn't argue with it! Really appreciate you sharing, thanks again!
Sometimes I wonder if tech companies like Garmin hate their users who refuse to upgrade from unsupported devices and laugh at the compulsive spenders who just cannot wait for their latest devices to go on sale at a later date. In the end there's no real difference if they hate you or laugh at you. I've always stuck with the "previous years" models since you can get better deals and the devices are still supported by Garmin. In my case I'm still using the FR 955 and I absolutely love it. Not only that it recieves the exact same firmware updates as the FR 965! I think we need a sports tech TH-camr who reviews "last years" models since they're just as good and at times better than the latest. There really is a market for previous gen tech. No matter what you tell yourself there's absolutely no justification for these price tags when you know the devices will be significantly cheaper in a year or so.
@@fnmby Depends on what you need. Personally, I'd always go with MIP screen, longer battery life and best available sensor. Everything else is just a gimmick imo, but it depends on your use case.
@@yohatch I need hiking\mountaineering mode with altimiter, spO2, acclimatization mode... I think all this is in 965 too.. Regarding MIP\Amoled it is a question between high quality and autonomy. everyone decides according to their own scenarios...
Couldn’t agree more, I have the 965 and beat the piss out of it with the amount and type of training I do. It’s super comfortable, has a great display to battery life ratio, and does everything I need. Yes I agree the fenix looks better, but being a first gen of new hardware and software that is really a tough sell. But I’ve come to accept you’ll never get thru to the Fenix/Epix fanboys. (Yes I’ve owned many iterations of the fenix as well as the epix)
@@DesertTriDad totally agree! I do think I'm gonna upgrade to the F8 because of the new screen and because I just love the design so much, but there's no real logical reason to do so! The 965 just basically does it all! Thanks for the comment - appreciate it
Great summary! The 965 is a superb watch - probably the best for 95% of use cases. The features, size and weight are near perfect. Personally, I went from a 965 to the Fenix 8 47mm AMOLED for the battery life. As an ultra runner, the 965 battery was fine, and you could certainly get 100 milers out of it with a bit of tweaking, but the Fenix 8 gives you that extra comfort in knowing it won't die (19 hours vs 35 hours with multi-band GPS, for example) - all without compromising on the beautiful screen.
1000% agree and that’s the main reason. I got the 965 because it is a premium watch and it will have most of the features they will ever release through the Phoenix line and if you look at value for money, the 965 has pretty much everything the Phoenix does if you don’t care about the fact that you’re gonna go deep into the ocean I’ll go on top of Mount Everest.
Very interesting and good thought. One counter argument might be that there will be future changes, updates and improvements that will be added to the Fenix 8 which may when the gap between the two, since the Fenix 8 is basically in it's infancy.
Waiting for the Fenix 8 Pro to be released. Than im going to buy a 7 Pro on sale. Currently, the 7 has dropped $400 but the 7 Pro hasn't dropped at all. Im assuming it will when the 8 Pro is released, likely early in 2025. Thanks for the video!
Nice, thanks! The FR965 is missing the latest HR sensor. So the body temperature measurement and ecg are missing from the FR965. However, I use the Oura ring, which has a very good feature for body temperature measurement. For example, when I got sick with COVID-19, I planned to go to the gym, but in the morning there was a warning in Oura about a higher body temperature. Fortunately, I didn't go to the gym and during the same day the fever started to rise. I personally monitor my body temperature very closely because it tells me very accurately whether I am possibly getting sick. The combined price of the FR965 and the Oura ring is closer to the price of the Fenix 8. So I will sell the FR965 as soon as Oura dies and buy a Fenix 8. Of course, I will lose money here, but the Fenix 8 has enough features for both :-) But for now, I'll stay in two device hassle...
Great review, finally comparing two watches that actually compete with each other… I was using a 165 music till last week, and just upgraded to the 965. It has all I need, all I thought I didn’t need, all I actually didn’t need and more. The Fenix 8 is beautiful, but looks like it’s too much for my wrist, the 965 is on the edge of being proportional and starting to look bulky. And I like how it looks despite the rounded screen, sporty but still classy with titanium bezel and buttons. I still can wear it for going out to more “formal” events, and if it’s really formal, a dress watch will do it better than any Garmin. (At least it looks better than the 165 did anyway) And ECG, I feel like it’s just like blood oxygenation turned 24/7. It’s cool that it’s there and you have it, but it’s pointless most of the time and you’ll end up not using it. Great review man, thanks for sharing it
I’m waiting for my fenix 8 titanium to be delivered , i came from a forerunner 255 music (it offer functions more than enough for the average runner) and I’m upgrading not really for the function but more to have a watch that can also be a beautiful object to wear in all day life. I really think that if you look at the functionalities that are really used by the average person, a 255 or 265 is already enough. In the end i suggest to buy simply what you like and don’t think to much about “garmin laughing” at you because you have a low end or the latest model .
@@michaelschlax8102 I completely agree. I used the 265 for a long time as my daily watch and it really has everything. But holy cow the step up to the F8 design is, to me, really awesome. I hope you love it!
Good point about the speaker loudness, or lack thereof. This kinda bugged me about the reviews from DCRM and DesFit, they kinda glossed over it but it was really apparent that the speaker isn't that hot. I think I'm gonna wait this one out and hopefully the next version has a better speaker. I do like the ability to be able to answer calls with both hands full.
@@ToumalRakesh totally agree! And thank you so much for saying. I think they totally blew it with the speaker this time around, and I think it's gonna come out that it's a major design flaw and they almost absolutely have to fix it. They definitely want to stay competitive with Apple to a degree so I think they are going to continue to expand, but I agree with you: I would wait to the next iteration where I think they will get a lot more right and add a lot more value. About to release the final thoughts on the F8 overall and that's my feeling as well, other than those of us, me included, who want to upgrade just for personal preference of the design and screen of the 47 mm
If I didn't dive I wouldn't of upgraded my 965 for the FENIX 8. The biggest draw card for me personally is the DIVE feature. Now for those that dive having an extra computer already built into your watch is just so convenient when travelling. Other than that theirs not much difference .....still loved the 965, but now ADORE the FENIX 8. Thanks for the video btw!
@@peternguyen3732 yes totally that is the significant update for people that dive! Like it doesn't affect a majority of users who may look at the watch, but it's a huge upgrade for those that do. So glad you are loving it, I really love mine honestly now that I've settled in a little bit more!
My only issue with the 965 is the screen is very easily scratched. Never had an issue with the Fenix sapphire screen while hiking scrambling. Also the navigational features are better and more intuitive on the Fenix.
Brilliant review, first time I found your channel as I have the 965 and love it so was looking for a review to compare the 2 properly. Was looking at the Fenix 8 so this is the most helpful and honest review. Will subscribe. Great channel! Thanks.
@@crgtylr very much appreciated exclamation point really just appreciate that it hit the spot for what information you needed. Thank you for subscribing!
I've been using FR for many years but now I switched to Fenix8 Amoled titanium. I'm very happy with the upgrade. I think the sapphire glass is great and the look of the watch itself is awesome!
@@trieb completely agree and I am going to upgrade as well because I do think it is the best designed Watch ever. Honestly I'm gonna share in my final review that it's like a cheaper Marq watch now - but that is separate from the fact that my 965 does everything Ineed it to!
@@fabii85 yes same story! I'm gonna say this in the final review but I do think the bezel on the Epix 47 mm stands out or is more visibly obvious now, like something you can't see. And I think 47mm F8 specifically is worth considering, But other than that all of the feature benefits are the same really
Thank you! I have been waiting for this comparison. More similar in size in general than I thought. That fenix 8 lag at 07:05 is crazy disturbing though.
@@torbjorne thanks so much for saying! I am bonkers in love with the design and screen and style of the F8 47 mm, but it just can't be debated that the 965 still packs so much punch with basically the same user experience for 99% of us
Great video. I returned my Fenix 8 and kept my 965 because of all these reasons. I use a chest strap for all my crossfit workouts so the sensor is a none issue for me. Bar features i dont use the 965 does everything the fenix 8 does plus its lighter which i prefer.
Excellent points, I agree with this comparison F8 vs FR965 and most people would get far better value from FR965. For me personally, the F8 is worth the extra $500 due to: better build quality, LED flashlight, Elevate5; scuba dive features; superior golf features. As for "transformed UI flowing down hill" I think you have that backwards: lots of the 965 UI has flowed *UP* to Fenix!!
@@user-sd4it6fl4h totally agree all around! And yes you're right about the 965 upflow! I don't think it's the same now that they've gone to a new UI, but that's a valid point! I am right there with you in all the same feelings, literally! Thanks so much for commenting
And you will not get disappointed. MIP vs amoled/speaker/diving minus shorter battery life. I got Enduro 3, previously owning Fenix 6 pro and battery life is insane
Great comparison. With the new price increases, I find myself leaning towards picking up the Tactix Amoled instead of the 51 Fenix 8. Better looking IMO and same sensor
@@christianmazza totally agree. That is a super legit watch, and I always gravitate towards it because of the bezel design, which really is what I think the F8 51mm stole it from
@@igorwerry yes and I'm gonna say in my final review for the F847 mm that it is the most awesome watch and best design I've ever tested or used and do you think it adds or has value, but it's also hard not to get the same basic benefits from other watches in the lineup
@@guyboycecam1636 completely understand, I made the decision to upgrade because I love the design and style and the new user in a face is just a little bit of a perk, but it's not because I was missing anything on the meat and potatoes side of the analysis features
Nice review. I currently have the forerunner 965, had it a few months now. I came from the Epix gen 2 which I also loved. I’m torn now because the Fenix 8 looks great and I love the fact you can take calls from it which I liked from my Apple Watch. However I may hold back as a few people have said the speaker is crap on the Fenix. I think I’ll wait a few months to see if they can put an update out to fix it or whether it’s just a crap speaker. If so I’ll wait for the next gen one and hope it’s improved.
@@bikersi9821 yes I second that feeling with speaker! I do, however, feel like the design and strength and beauty of the F847 mm is a tough one to consider, and I also switched from the epic pro to the 965 and have been happy with it, but the F8 is upgrade worthy for me but that's totally just me, it has nothing to do with it offering any new features of significance because really it doesn't. I think Garmin blew it with the speaker because I don't find it nearly loud enough and that is the primary point of a speaker!
I have the F7 Pro and will not upgrade! The F8 doesn’t bring much new to the table! And while I like the 965, it has no flashlight and this is a feature I use pretty much every day. I will wait for the F9….maybe it’s going to be better than the 8
@@michaellanger5671 totally with you and literally going to say the same thing in my final thoughts on the F8 series! I can't believe I forgot to mention the flashlight difference between these two though, that is a huge difference! Not a $500 difference probably ha ha, but definitely a difference!
@@Phil5150Bower completely agree! The Tactix 7 amoled is for sure a long dreamt about watch for me! The bezel design is so perfect with thatwatch, I think they just copied it for the F8!
@@viniciusdecastro8457 hey! That's a tough one because I feel like it's somewhat apples and oranges. The Apple Watch Ultra really is just a dirty wrist computer, but not a training and wellness device. I think even with third-party apps the 965 crushes it on training analytics and recovery analytics. So I guess it just depends on what you arelooking for primarily
I’ve bought the fenix 8 in 43mm love the watch. I use it without heart strap for mostly strength training and treadmill runs. I find the heart rate pretty useful. Anyway the same as my Apple Watch Ultra had ( I’ve sold it) but the thing is was most exiting about is indeed not usable picking up a call on the watch In traffic where I can’t use the phone. But the weird part is that music can play louder on the watch , so my hope is that it can be fixed with software, If not so it’s a complete utterly failure.
@@derksenjenny that is a great point! I was surprised that the music sounded decent even though calls sound terrible! To me I think it probably will require a new speaker on the next iteration, but you are right that the 43 mm is a huge upgrade if you were already looking at a 42 mm variant before, because of the larger screen. So glad you are liking it!
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- yes I failed to mention that and I'm kicking myself forward! The flashlight is a big feature. Maybe not a $500 feature, but a big one to me! And the elevate 4.0 was definitely OK, just not to be trusted if you had a lot of wrist flex or fluctuation of heart rate intensity. Thank you so much for commenting!
@@korporalkarrot thank you so much! And totally 100%. I'm gonna say that in the final review in the next few days as well. The bugs are going to be temporary, although I do agree that there are more bugs this release then in previous new releases
@@MrCardy77 yes there's a big difference in battery life there, just over 80% increase - but I agree it doesn't matter for daily basis use very much in today's world
My question is: since I don’t care about amoled displays, and I care about battery duration and MIP, can you contrast: forerunner 955, enduro 3 and Fenix 8 solar (47mm?) thanks. Also I care a lot about topological maps , and bpm accuracy in these devices. Thanks a lot.
@@os2171 hey and good grief I wish I could! I might not be able to add that to the list because I am such a small reviewer, but overall I would tell you out of the gate to look at the F7X pro because it's got the longer battery life, is cheaper than the Enduro3, includes the updated heart rate sensor, and full tilt maps
Nice vid - but saying that FR965 has worse UI? Italic menus are indeed cartoonish in FR965 - but actual digits font in data screens is WAY BETTER in Forerunners vs boxy, ugly ones in Epix/Fenix line. Once you pay attention to it - you cannot unsee it..
There are the bugs in the Fenix8.. Screen brightness in low light conditions makes my Felix 8 51 Amoled completely UNUSABLE!!! Also the watch lags even in the watch face menu.. it’s a horrible experience, never had these issues with my Fenix7X or my EPIXPRO 51!!
I think that Fenix 8 is not such an upgrade over Fenix 7 and its new features are unimportant-at least for me. The problem with 965 is that it has the elevate 4 sensor, that's already 2+ years old and it doesn't seem to be a good choice in late 2024-early 2025, even if it gets heavily discounted. I will stick with my Fenix 7 solar.
@@konstantinosdaglaroglou9339 totally can see this! I totally agree with the elevate 4.0 issue. A discounted F7 Pro would probably be the most affordable way to go to get the latest sensor
@@fitgearhunteralready got it. For running I always use a chest strap anyway but for walks and lower paced workouts noticeable difference to me for accuracy on wrist based HRM
@@fitgearhunterand yes love the more premium feeling. Only thing I’ve noticed is natural titanium one does pick up the odd scratch. I know that’s part of the course with that material but for anyone who is prone to knocking their watch the DLC black version may be better choice
965 has no flashlight, unfortunately. I have been using 255s music as I have a wrist that is too small for more than 43 mm. I wanted to switch to Fenix or Epix 42/43 mm, but too bulky, so 255 has everything I need :)
@@DocThorQ totally agree and kicking myself because I forgot to mention the stupid flashlight! And I love that thing! Thank you for mentioning. I think you should really consider the 43 mm F8 because it really is an awesome watch, like the F8 47 mm design. But on the complete flipside I used the 265 for quite a while and it was so damn feature Rich for the price thatit's really hard to justify the upgrade! Let me know what you decide
@@antonangeling8979 great question I don't know the technical differences between the glass of those two variants. I know they are both gorilla but I don't know if the domed glass of the 965 has more anti-reflectivity
You don't think software features should trickle down? Sorry but that is such a shit take. We need MORE support for older devices (you contradict the point of your own video) - there is no excuse such as "nEw PrOcCeSsoR" since they only added a notification panel and a slightly changed activity menu on the fenix 8.
Am I wrong that the US tends to focus more on Garmin products? Like in, “people have opinions”. Here in Europe Suunto is a thing, also Coros. Garmin ok, but I don’t feel all that fuzz around it.
@@StevenVanlancker-m2l interesting point! I do think Suunto is really stepping things up, Coros just lacks too much on the wellness side and doesn't have the O lead offering it should
Might be a minor difference, but the use of color in 965 looks chipper than the Fenix 8 and there is no way to change it (for example the blue color in the select button). I hate that form the Forerunner.
@@fitgearhunter I read that new one works better when the skin is sweaty. Do you have a chance to compare? I really like the white 965, unfortunately, there are no white ones in F8. Thanks for the good review.
As a 48 year old, who has been working out all his life (lately mainly cross fit and running) I am almost ashamed with the following question: is there anyone who has used the apple watch ultra (2) and is satisfied with the performance, especially the integration of an (e) sim card and despite the very limited battery life time? I still have a Garmin Venu and have waited until the recent launch of the F8 and the two Apple watches. The series 10 is a no go (battery life) but I actually can't choose between the F8 and the AWU2. I am afraid that I will not use all the features of the F8 (for a long time) and will miss the mobile integration, but I also fully understand the comparison: sports watch (Garmin) vs smart swatch (Apple). Any additional insights? Much appreciated and thanks in advance. Pete from Amsterdam ✌
@@PeterBelling happy to help and I do Crossfit exclusively! I absolutely dislike the AWU and Apple experience because they lack some very significant physiological metric tracking, and the training load tracking is super shallow. I would strongly recommend anything from the Garmin lineup that includes the advanced training analytics, so the 965 or the F8, or even the F7 pro or Epix pro. These all include latest heart rate sensor, other than the 965, which is important for higher intensity. But if you're looking at the price tags of the AWU I would strongly strongly strongly suggest the F8 47 mm amoled model!
@@fitgearhunter Many thanks! Yep, was already on Garmin's product side for the F8 47 amoled stainless. The only thing is the lack of e-sim integration. I would love to have one device for both metric tracking, online music, AND my phone. Or am I just overestimating the AWU2 and should I ingnore the 'burden' of carrying my phone with me while running in a short and t-shirt?
Thank you for the logical comparison and detailed explanations on the usability of the features. This will be my first Garmin, and I’ve decided on the 965. You’ve saved me $500!
@@Turamiar I don't know how I missed this comment but that is so awesome to hear! Thank you so much for letting me know! I really hope you enjoy it
Thank you for bringing sanity to this discussion 🙂I bought the 47mm fenix 8 from a 47mm Epix pro. I am seriously considering returning the fenix 8. I have found the fenix to be a bug-ridden mess, and the major feature I was looking for (speaker and mic) falls way short of being actually usable. Very disappointed.
@@cgarrett1974 completely understand this! The speaker is useless, it's super sad to see happen. I will probably still stick with the F8 because it truly is the best design, and I can't unsee the large bezel on the Epix, but I totally agree with your feelings!
I did the same. I got the polished look, it already scratched! I haven’t done anything with it. I’m also thinking of returning the Fenix 8.
Forerunner 965 is exactly what I bought :) last week after returning the 47mm Fenix 8 Amoled
@@hizitefery that's so funny! Nice! And I made this video as somebody who really does dislike the domed design of the 965, and the fonts and user interface, but it can't be debated that there is also total value and useful experience with it!
@@fitgearhunter It was the other way around for me: I returned the FR 965 and got my Fenix 8. The FR 965 pleased me in terms of functions, it was comfortable, but it seems too sporty for me. Instead, the Fenix 8 looks great and you can see that it is a premium watch. Thank you!
I considered Fenix 8 or 965?
What about Coros, Suunto, Polar?
I need a watch for the gym and with the chest strap for bjj/judo.
@@LouisStephans unfortunately none of those offer enough of a competitive solution, or at the price points. Coros the least - Suunto is the better of the bunch but not as feature rich as the 965 offering
@@gabrielcojocaru7293 yes I agree!
I got the fenix 8 simply because of the design. I have to have a fitness watch with a golf gps just one of my main hobbies. FR has that, but I like the design of the fenix, and didn’t want to get an older watch because it’s pretty obvious the fenix represents a new software platform, so going forward, I would not spend 600 dollars on something that’s not going to get future update support, I would rather spend the money and get something to keep for a while.
@@GarminPro yes I totally agree. I'm basically going to upgrade simply because of the design as well, not because of new features. And lord the golf capabilities are epic!
The future proofing might be a bit of miss since F8 still uses the same old cpu, which is already at a limit.
Just realized I always come to your channel first when considering a new watch. I follow others, but you’re even more authentic (for me) than anyone else. Love your unique, personal perspective and character-keep up the great work!
@@tivadarorosz thanks so much for saying and what a huge compliment! Really really appreciate it. Glad you find it of value!
An important detail to mention is that normally the comparison is between the Fenix 8 MIP display versus Enduro 3. I think there is no point in comparing a display amoled to an MIP, each has its own purpose.
BTW, I personally prefer MIP display.
@@andregoncalves1648 yes I agree! Completely completely completely
Totally agree and I think that's what most people who make that comparison actually aim at. Even more since there is no 1000 Dollar/Euro MIP model available, so the price difference is even higher.
Thanks for your video, I was waiting/hoping someone would bring the Forerunner watches into the conversation with the new Fenix/Enduro launches. I definitely agree with your conclusions.
I bought the 265 last year after not wearing a watch for 20+ years. I am primarily a road cyclist, so my Edge 1030+ is my primary tracking device (with an HR chest strap). For me, the watch was going to be for other tracking (sleep, etc.) along with walking and rucking tracking. As an aside, Garmin really, really need to produce either a dedicated rucking activity or a rucking app!! When I bought the 265, I chose that over the 965 based on the basic nature of my intended use case along with the price savings over the 965.
My initial reaction on the Fenix 8 launch was that the device in no way justified the crazy pricing. The new features did not even come close to the price being charged. My attention then turned to the Enduro 3 as an alternative (which many YT channels seem to be pushing), however, having had an AMOLED display, I can't see any reason why I would ever want something else (MIPS). I am not currently doing any type of ultra events where the insane battery capabilities of the Enduro 3 come into the equation.
As you demonstrated, the feature set of the top-end Forerunner competes extremely well with the new Fenix/Enduro models (nod to the Enduro 3 battery life). I am wondering where Garmin will take the Forerunner line in the future or if there is a future where there will be updates/new devices for the Forerunner line?
@@ShawnIsBatman great points all around and thank you so much for sharing and such detail! I totally agree, and am currently working working on finishing a review saying the Enduro three is not worth looking at unless you just like the old screen tech that much and needs the crazy better life that much more, because the features and benefits of OLED are just next level and battery life is right there with it. That's so awesome you've had such a great experience with the 265! I wore that one for a while actually but just really wanted the larger display, and this is all coming from somebody who hated the design of either of them because of the domed glass and plastic casing. There was just so much value you couldn't argue with it! Really appreciate you sharing, thanks again!
Sometimes I wonder if tech companies like Garmin hate their users who refuse to upgrade from unsupported devices and laugh at the compulsive spenders who just cannot wait for their latest devices to go on sale at a later date. In the end there's no real difference if they hate you or laugh at you. I've always stuck with the "previous years" models since you can get better deals and the devices are still supported by Garmin. In my case I'm still using the FR 955 and I absolutely love it. Not only that it recieves the exact same firmware updates as the FR 965! I think we need a sports tech TH-camr who reviews "last years" models since they're just as good and at times better than the latest. There really is a market for previous gen tech. No matter what you tell yourself there's absolutely no justification for these price tags when you know the devices will be significantly cheaper in a year or so.
965 has an amazing display...but yes, there are no other huge differences
@@fnmby Depends on what you need. Personally, I'd always go with MIP screen, longer battery life and best available sensor. Everything else is just a gimmick imo, but it depends on your use case.
@@yohatch I need hiking\mountaineering mode with altimiter, spO2, acclimatization mode... I think all this is in 965 too..
Regarding MIP\Amoled it is a question between high quality and autonomy. everyone decides according to their own scenarios...
Couldn’t agree more, I have the 965 and beat the piss out of it with the amount and type of training I do. It’s super comfortable, has a great display to battery life ratio, and does everything I need. Yes I agree the fenix looks better, but being a first gen of new hardware and software that is really a tough sell. But I’ve come to accept you’ll never get thru to the Fenix/Epix fanboys. (Yes I’ve owned many iterations of the fenix as well as the epix)
@@DesertTriDad totally agree! I do think I'm gonna upgrade to the F8 because of the new screen and because I just love the design so much, but there's no real logical reason to do so! The 965 just basically does it all! Thanks for the comment - appreciate it
Good food for thought! Thanks for comparing across price segments and providing a candid feedback.
@@viveknaidu778 happy to do it! Thanks so much for commenting
Great summary! The 965 is a superb watch - probably the best for 95% of use cases. The features, size and weight are near perfect. Personally, I went from a 965 to the Fenix 8 47mm AMOLED for the battery life. As an ultra runner, the 965 battery was fine, and you could certainly get 100 milers out of it with a bit of tweaking, but the Fenix 8 gives you that extra comfort in knowing it won't die (19 hours vs 35 hours with multi-band GPS, for example) - all without compromising on the beautiful screen.
1000% agree and that’s the main reason. I got the 965 because it is a premium watch and it will have most of the features they will ever release through the Phoenix line and if you look at value for money, the 965 has pretty much everything the Phoenix does if you don’t care about the fact that you’re gonna go deep into the ocean I’ll go on top of Mount Everest.
Very interesting and good thought. One counter argument might be that there will be future changes, updates and improvements that will be added to the Fenix 8 which may when the gap between the two, since the Fenix 8 is basically in it's infancy.
@@ltbeahan yes for sure 1000%. Totally agree
Waiting for the Fenix 8 Pro to be released. Than im going to buy a 7 Pro on sale. Currently, the 7 has dropped $400 but the 7 Pro hasn't dropped at all. Im assuming it will when the 8 Pro is released, likely early in 2025. Thanks for the video!
Nice, thanks! The FR965 is missing the latest HR sensor. So the body temperature measurement and ecg are missing from the FR965. However, I use the Oura ring, which has a very good feature for body temperature measurement. For example, when I got sick with COVID-19, I planned to go to the gym, but in the morning there was a warning in Oura about a higher body temperature. Fortunately, I didn't go to the gym and during the same day the fever started to rise. I personally monitor my body temperature very closely because it tells me very accurately whether I am possibly getting sick. The combined price of the FR965 and the Oura ring is closer to the price of the Fenix 8. So I will sell the FR965 as soon as Oura dies and buy a Fenix 8. Of course, I will lose money here, but the Fenix 8 has enough features for both :-) But for now, I'll stay in two device hassle...
Great review, finally comparing two watches that actually compete with each other… I was using a 165 music till last week, and just upgraded to the 965. It has all I need, all I thought I didn’t need, all I actually didn’t need and more. The Fenix 8 is beautiful, but looks like it’s too much for my wrist, the 965 is on the edge of being proportional and starting to look bulky. And I like how it looks despite the rounded screen, sporty but still classy with titanium bezel and buttons. I still can wear it for going out to more “formal” events, and if it’s really formal, a dress watch will do it better than any Garmin. (At least it looks better than the 165 did anyway)
And ECG, I feel like it’s just like blood oxygenation turned 24/7. It’s cool that it’s there and you have it, but it’s pointless most of the time and you’ll end up not using it.
Great review man, thanks for sharing it
I’m waiting for my fenix 8 titanium to be delivered , i came from a forerunner 255 music (it offer functions more than enough for the average runner) and I’m upgrading not really for the function but more to have a watch that can also be a beautiful object to wear in all day life.
I really think that if you look at the functionalities that are really used by the average person, a 255 or 265 is already enough.
In the end i suggest to buy simply what you like and don’t think to much about “garmin laughing” at you because you have a low end or the latest model .
@@michaelschlax8102 I completely agree. I used the 265 for a long time as my daily watch and it really has everything. But holy cow the step up to the F8 design is, to me, really awesome. I hope you love it!
Good point about the speaker loudness, or lack thereof. This kinda bugged me about the reviews from DCRM and DesFit, they kinda glossed over it but it was really apparent that the speaker isn't that hot. I think I'm gonna wait this one out and hopefully the next version has a better speaker. I do like the ability to be able to answer calls with both hands full.
@@ToumalRakesh totally agree! And thank you so much for saying. I think they totally blew it with the speaker this time around, and I think it's gonna come out that it's a major design flaw and they almost absolutely have to fix it. They definitely want to stay competitive with Apple to a degree so I think they are going to continue to expand, but I agree with you: I would wait to the next iteration where I think they will get a lot more right and add a lot more value. About to release the final thoughts on the F8 overall and that's my feeling as well, other than those of us, me included, who want to upgrade just for personal preference of the design and screen of the 47 mm
If I didn't dive I wouldn't of upgraded my 965 for the FENIX 8. The biggest draw card for me personally is the DIVE feature. Now for those that dive having an extra computer already built into your watch is just so convenient when travelling. Other than that theirs not much difference .....still loved the 965, but now ADORE the FENIX 8. Thanks for the video btw!
@@peternguyen3732 yes totally that is the significant update for people that dive! Like it doesn't affect a majority of users who may look at the watch, but it's a huge upgrade for those that do. So glad you are loving it, I really love mine honestly now that I've settled in a little bit more!
My only issue with the 965 is the screen is very easily scratched. Never had an issue with the Fenix sapphire screen while hiking scrambling. Also the navigational features are better and more intuitive on the Fenix.
Brilliant review, first time I found your channel as I have the 965 and love it so was looking for a review to compare the 2 properly. Was looking at the Fenix 8 so this is the most helpful and honest review. Will subscribe. Great channel! Thanks.
@@crgtylr very much appreciated exclamation point really just appreciate that it hit the spot for what information you needed. Thank you for subscribing!
I've been using FR for many years but now I switched to Fenix8 Amoled titanium. I'm very happy with the upgrade. I think the sapphire glass is great and the look of the watch itself is awesome!
@@trieb completely agree and I am going to upgrade as well because I do think it is the best designed Watch ever. Honestly I'm gonna share in my final review that it's like a cheaper Marq watch now - but that is separate from the fact that my 965 does everything Ineed it to!
Perfect comparison. Now vs the epix 2 pro. It's the same story I guess
@@fabii85 yes same story! I'm gonna say this in the final review but I do think the bezel on the Epix 47 mm stands out or is more visibly obvious now, like something you can't see. And I think 47mm F8 specifically is worth considering, But other than that all of the feature benefits are the same really
Thank you! I have been waiting for this comparison. More similar in size in general than I thought. That fenix 8 lag at 07:05 is crazy disturbing though.
@@torbjorne thanks so much for saying! I am bonkers in love with the design and screen and style of the F8 47 mm, but it just can't be debated that the 965 still packs so much punch with basically the same user experience for 99% of us
Great video. I returned my Fenix 8 and kept my 965 because of all these reasons. I use a chest strap for all my crossfit workouts so the sensor is a none issue for me. Bar features i dont use the 965 does everything the fenix 8 does plus its lighter which i prefer.
@@Gauzy76 1000%! Thanks so much for sharing, all of the feedback really helps
Great review! How about the quality of their sleep tracking and accuracy of body battery function?
Friend, never buy a high-end car, any car can take you where you need. Regards
Excellent points, I agree with this comparison F8 vs FR965 and most people would get far better value from FR965. For me personally, the F8 is worth the extra $500 due to: better build quality, LED flashlight, Elevate5; scuba dive features; superior golf features. As for "transformed UI flowing down hill" I think you have that backwards: lots of the 965 UI has flowed *UP* to Fenix!!
@@user-sd4it6fl4h totally agree all around! And yes you're right about the 965 upflow! I don't think it's the same now that they've gone to a new UI, but that's a valid point! I am right there with you in all the same feelings, literally! Thanks so much for commenting
I was actually thinking about the enduro 3 because never needing to charge is pretty amazing.
And you will not get disappointed. MIP vs amoled/speaker/diving minus shorter battery life. I got Enduro 3, previously owning Fenix 6 pro and battery life is insane
Fenix 8 vs T Rex 3
Great comparison. With the new price increases, I find myself leaning towards picking up the Tactix Amoled instead of the 51 Fenix 8. Better looking IMO and same sensor
@@christianmazza totally agree. That is a super legit watch, and I always gravitate towards it because of the bezel design, which really is what I think the F8 51mm stole it from
Not the first time when Garmin does something like this. A new watch comes out, and an older watch looks like even a better deal.
@@igorwerry yes and I'm gonna say in my final review for the F847 mm that it is the most awesome watch and best design I've ever tested or used and do you think it adds or has value, but it's also hard not to get the same basic benefits from other watches in the lineup
Completely agree also. Have the 965 and looking for sufficient reason to upgrade to the F8 but there really isn't one....
@@guyboycecam1636 completely understand, I made the decision to upgrade because I love the design and style and the new user in a face is just a little bit of a perk, but it's not because I was missing anything on the meat and potatoes side of the analysis features
Nice review. I currently have the forerunner 965, had it a few months now. I came from the Epix gen 2 which I also loved. I’m torn now because the Fenix 8 looks great and I love the fact you can take calls from it which I liked from my Apple Watch. However I may hold back as a few people have said the speaker is crap on the Fenix. I think I’ll wait a few months to see if they can put an update out to fix it or whether it’s just a crap speaker. If so I’ll wait for the next gen one and hope it’s improved.
@@bikersi9821 yes I second that feeling with speaker! I do, however, feel like the design and strength and beauty of the F847 mm is a tough one to consider, and I also switched from the epic pro to the 965 and have been happy with it, but the F8 is upgrade worthy for me but that's totally just me, it has nothing to do with it offering any new features of significance because really it doesn't. I think Garmin blew it with the speaker because I don't find it nearly loud enough and that is the primary point of a speaker!
@@fitgearhunter ahh such a tough decision. I do love to buy new things so might be hard to resist despite the speaker issue. Thanks for the reply.
100% agreed. one can get a brand new Garmin 965 for less than $400 today.
@@JW-vx6zc yes and it's such a damn capable watch!
I think a used Epix Gen 2 is the way to go, pick them up for the same price as a new 965 and you get the elevate 5 as well
@@jamie_weston that's a great point! Obviously you gotta get the pro model, but that's a great point
I have the F7 Pro and will not upgrade! The F8 doesn’t bring much new to the table! And while I like the 965, it has no flashlight and this is a feature I use pretty much every day. I will wait for the F9….maybe it’s going to be better than the 8
@@michaellanger5671 totally with you and literally going to say the same thing in my final thoughts on the F8 series! I can't believe I forgot to mention the flashlight difference between these two though, that is a huge difference! Not a $500 difference probably ha ha, but definitely a difference!
I decided on the Tactix 7 AMOLED over the Fenix 8 just didn’t like the speaker and mic and I’ve always had Tactix models and love them.
@@Phil5150Bower completely agree! The Tactix 7 amoled is for sure a long dreamt about watch for me! The bezel design is so perfect with thatwatch, I think they just copied it for the F8!
The "big question": for an incoming phone call, which one can vibrate until the phone rings?
Thank you for your video.. What are your thoughts when comparing 965 with apple watch ultra?
@@viniciusdecastro8457 hey! That's a tough one because I feel like it's somewhat apples and oranges. The Apple Watch Ultra really is just a dirty wrist computer, but not a training and wellness device. I think even with third-party apps the 965 crushes it on training analytics and recovery analytics. So I guess it just depends on what you arelooking for primarily
I’ve bought the fenix 8 in 43mm love the watch. I use it without heart strap for mostly strength training and treadmill runs. I find the heart rate pretty useful. Anyway the same as my Apple Watch Ultra had ( I’ve sold it) but the thing is was most exiting about is indeed not usable picking up a call on the watch In traffic where I can’t use the phone. But the weird part is that music can play louder on the watch , so my hope is that it can be fixed with software,
If not so it’s a complete utterly failure.
@@derksenjenny that is a great point! I was surprised that the music sounded decent even though calls sound terrible! To me I think it probably will require a new speaker on the next iteration, but you are right that the 43 mm is a huge upgrade if you were already looking at a 42 mm variant before, because of the larger screen. So glad you are liking it!
Well, it has flashlight :) Many say that HR sensors don't perform that differently, my Elevate V4 was okish but not to fully trust as well.
@@user-ij8no5zw6u- yes I failed to mention that and I'm kicking myself forward! The flashlight is a big feature. Maybe not a $500 feature, but a big one to me! And the elevate 4.0 was definitely OK, just not to be trusted if you had a lot of wrist flex or fluctuation of heart rate intensity. Thank you so much for commenting!
Great, no_BS video. Thanks.
Do you think Garmin will sort out the glitches/laggy screen on the F8 with a firmware update?
@@korporalkarrot thank you so much! And totally 100%. I'm gonna say that in the final review in the next few days as well. The bugs are going to be temporary, although I do agree that there are more bugs this release then in previous new releases
You forgetting the Fenix 8 also has diving capabilities
965 and F8 have the same CPU (same as F7), where did you get the info that they are different?
@@channul4887 yes I just recently uncovered that as well. I was assuming it would have to be a better CPU but it is unfortunately not!
MIP all the way
I have a 965 and love it , I ordered the Fenix 8 and returned it after 2 days. Hopefully the next 965 has a flashlight. Nice review!!
@@rollie5579 thanks so much and thanks for commenting! Super helpful experience you shared!
47 vs 51 in battery life? Significant differences but does it matter on daily basis use?
@@MrCardy77 yes there's a big difference in battery life there, just over 80% increase - but I agree it doesn't matter for daily basis use very much in today's world
My question is: since I don’t care about amoled displays, and I care about battery duration and MIP, can you contrast: forerunner 955, enduro 3 and Fenix 8 solar (47mm?) thanks. Also I care a lot about topological maps , and bpm accuracy in these devices. Thanks a lot.
@@os2171 hey and good grief I wish I could! I might not be able to add that to the list because I am such a small reviewer, but overall I would tell you out of the gate to look at the F7X pro because it's got the longer battery life, is cheaper than the Enduro3, includes the updated heart rate sensor, and full tilt maps
Nice vid - but saying that FR965 has worse UI? Italic menus are indeed cartoonish in FR965 - but actual digits font in data screens is WAY BETTER in Forerunners vs boxy, ugly ones in Epix/Fenix line.
Once you pay attention to it - you cannot unsee it..
@@plutohad9417 that's so funny because I feel the exact opposite! Now I can't unsee the forerunner digits as anything but not as good as the F8 ones!
Great job. Facts. To the point. Gained a sub.
@@LoneStarAerial awesome, thank you so much! Appreciate the feedback
There are the bugs in the Fenix8.. Screen brightness in low light conditions makes my Felix 8 51 Amoled completely UNUSABLE!!! Also the watch lags even in the watch face menu.. it’s a horrible experience, never had these issues with my Fenix7X or my EPIXPRO 51!!
Fenix 8 for me, bought orange amoled sapphire. You pay for build quality
@@dnice362 nice! That is awesome
I really hope the next forerunner will have less cartoonish interface and less plasticky materials.
@@pg5470 I do as well! But unfortunately that is somewhat of the backdrop of that watch line!
I think that Fenix 8 is not such an upgrade over Fenix 7 and its new features are unimportant-at least for me. The problem with 965 is that it has the elevate 4 sensor, that's already 2+ years old and it doesn't seem to be a good choice in late 2024-early 2025, even if it gets heavily discounted. I will stick with my Fenix 7 solar.
@@konstantinosdaglaroglou9339 totally can see this! I totally agree with the elevate 4.0 issue. A discounted F7 Pro would probably be the most affordable way to go to get the latest sensor
can someone talk about differences from venu 3 and forerunner 965- I have a venu 3 and not sure what the big differences are
Sold my F965 and got F8. Elevate 5 HrM noticeably more accurate for me.
@@jmbarbs nice! When do you get it? Or have you gotten it already? Are you loving the difference in premium designed feeling?
@@fitgearhunteralready got it. For running I always use a chest strap anyway but for walks and lower paced workouts noticeable difference to me for accuracy on wrist based HRM
@@fitgearhunterand yes love the more premium feeling. Only thing I’ve noticed is natural titanium one does pick up the odd scratch. I know that’s part of the course with that material but for anyone who is prone to knocking their watch the DLC black version may be better choice
965 has no flashlight, unfortunately. I have been using 255s music as I have a wrist that is too small for more than 43 mm. I wanted to switch to Fenix or Epix 42/43 mm, but too bulky, so 255 has everything I need :)
@@DocThorQ totally agree and kicking myself because I forgot to mention the stupid flashlight! And I love that thing! Thank you for mentioning. I think you should really consider the 43 mm F8 because it really is an awesome watch, like the F8 47 mm design. But on the complete flipside I used the 265 for quite a while and it was so damn feature Rich for the price thatit's really hard to justify the upgrade! Let me know what you decide
Does Fenix 8 (non sapphire) have DX glass with the same anti-reflectivity as the 965? Seems like it doesn't in this video
@@antonangeling8979 great question I don't know the technical differences between the glass of those two variants. I know they are both gorilla but I don't know if the domed glass of the 965 has more anti-reflectivity
Nice ❤
You don't think software features should trickle down? Sorry but that is such a shit take. We need MORE support for older devices (you contradict the point of your own video) - there is no excuse such as "nEw PrOcCeSsoR" since they only added a notification panel and a slightly changed activity menu on the fenix 8.
Am I wrong that the US tends to focus more on Garmin products? Like in, “people have opinions”.
Here in Europe Suunto is a thing, also Coros. Garmin ok, but I don’t feel all that fuzz around it.
@@StevenVanlancker-m2l interesting point! I do think Suunto is really stepping things up, Coros just lacks too much on the wellness side and doesn't have the O lead offering it should
Might be a minor difference, but the use of color in 965 looks chipper than the Fenix 8 and there is no way to change it (for example the blue color in the select button). I hate that form the Forerunner.
@@_delator interesting point I hadn't thought of that! Totally agree. Thank you so much for commenting
What do you think about the new pulse sensor on F8?
@@fnmby it's the same as the Epix pro and F7 pro, and definitely the best one yet, but nothing else new on the F8!
@@fitgearhunter I read that new one works better when the skin is sweaty. Do you have a chance to compare?
I really like the white 965, unfortunately, there are no white ones in F8. Thanks for the good review.
@@fnmby yes totally agree! The new one, but it's the same as was on the Epix Pro and F7 pro, works better all around, versus the one on the 965!
when will we have Garmin FR975?
@@constantinvijoli great question and who knows.
what about sapphire screen? 965 doesn´t have it ... does it ?
IT doesn't.
As a 48 year old, who has been working out all his life (lately mainly cross fit and running) I am almost ashamed with the following question: is there anyone who has used the apple watch ultra (2) and is satisfied with the performance, especially the integration of an (e) sim card and despite the very limited battery life time?
I still have a Garmin Venu and have waited until the recent launch of the F8 and the two Apple watches. The series 10 is a no go (battery life) but I actually can't choose between the F8 and the AWU2.
I am afraid that I will not use all the features of the F8 (for a long time) and will miss the mobile integration, but I also fully understand the comparison: sports watch (Garmin) vs smart swatch (Apple).
Any additional insights? Much appreciated and thanks in advance.
Pete from Amsterdam ✌
@@PeterBelling happy to help and I do Crossfit exclusively! I absolutely dislike the AWU and Apple experience because they lack some very significant physiological metric tracking, and the training load tracking is super shallow. I would strongly recommend anything from the Garmin lineup that includes the advanced training analytics, so the 965 or the F8, or even the F7 pro or Epix pro. These all include latest heart rate sensor, other than the 965, which is important for higher intensity. But if you're looking at the price tags of the AWU I would strongly strongly strongly suggest the F8 47 mm amoled model!
@@fitgearhunter Many thanks! Yep, was already on Garmin's product side for the F8 47 amoled stainless. The only thing is the lack of e-sim integration. I would love to have one device for both metric tracking, online music, AND my phone. Or am I just overestimating the AWU2 and should I ingnore the 'burden' of carrying my phone with me while running in a short and t-shirt?
Waarom geen voorloper? Mijn fenix 8 gaat terug. Echt traag.
Ga dan voor een epix gen 2 pro
$1000 for the entry level Fenix? 😅
I'll wait a year and get the Pro for $400.
It doesn’t have the flash light
@@chltmdwp I know and I've shared with a bunch of people in comments that I'm so regretful I missed that huge benefit of the other!
2months will pass and we will see 975. /// The more data I get in the watch the less I need I reckon.
@@marioplus321 yes I wonder about when that might release! I have not heard any rumors about it being that soon
Enduro 3 is best Garmin watch
Fenix 8 = 1000$+
965 = 500$
Easy choice tbh
@@lenicois909 yes there is a big gap!
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