What is the BEST metal detector? 2023-2024 | Minelab Equinox, Manticore, XP Deus II, Nokta Legend?
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- This is the truth that detector companies don't want you to hear! Which detector is the best among the XP Deus II, Minelab Manticore, Minelab Equinox 800/900 or the Nokta Legend? Finally answered! Which metal detector should you buy in 2023? Finally answered!
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Dear Loren , this is Dilek - Director of Sales & Marketing at Nokta. I personally wanted to thank you for this GREAT and educational video on behalf of myself and my company! This is exactly what we are trying to tell people and educate them on as well. All these detectors are good and spending 2 or 3 times more on a detector does not get you that extra performance you expect to get. If a feature of a detector is worth the price difference for a consumer, we highly respect that but what we fight for is exactly what you are saying in your video. And I will refer people to this video in my live on Facebook today quoting a few of the things you said and I hope you don't mind that! (And excuse me in advance if I do pronounce the last name wrong)
Hi Dilek, big fan of yours and Nokta Makro. I have recommended the Simplex to tons of people new to detecting. I have a friend who swears by it and wields it quite well too. I got a chance to swing the Legend several times and was very impressed. Love the fact that you guys update and add features so quickly while other companies takes months and months. Definitely feel free to quote me on anything. I hope all is well in Turkey given the recent events.
Hey Dilek, I hope you and your family and all of the folks there at Nokta are safe after these terrible earthquakes. Breaks my heart to see the loss of life and devastation. All of those impacted are in our prayers.
My first detector was a Makro Racer 1, I still have it, and also still use it sometimes. Great machine!
Live videos of the X-Terra Pro show coins reading as iron in all frequencies, air tests from other videos show its limitations of depth are approximately 11 to 12 inches even with the 12 inch coil, but for people at the beach it's still a strong contender. Using old school Whites machines I found coins from the mid-1700s at no deeper than 9 to 10 inches, so target range depth is not the most important issue for me as a Nokta Simplex and Qwest Q10 Pro user, it's that casino slot machine sound of the Minelab and serious processing delay!. Notice the sounds are heard only after the coil has passed over the target. What I love about the Nokta Simplex is the old school threshold that enables you to find the deepest targets. Nokta plans to update the frequency of the Simplex from 12 to 15 MHz which will totally destroy its depth making the Minelab the leader of the pack, so sad. Any thoughts?
Nokta sucks
Thank you Loren for another, sane, well thought out video of the actual situation with the Equinox models, Manticore, Deus 2 and the Legend. Seven detectors that can pretty much do well in almost any detecting situation. The only big variable is the knowledge and experience of the operator along with having targets to detect. I don't know much about the Manticore, but I own and regularly use the Equinox 800, 900, Deus 2 and the Legend. They are fantastic detectors that usually tell me what I need to know as long as I get them over a target. There is no best among those detectors. They all have slight differences and slight strengths and weakness between them.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Definitely agree, we are lucky as detectorists that there are such a wide variety of high performing detectors at different price points that each bring value to the table.
Jeff,
I'm sorry to bother you... I already left my own comment, and also replied to someone else's comment. This is my 3rd activity here in this video's thread. I'm probably aggravating... Sorry Loren!!! (Hopefully the additional comments add to the algorithm, and actually helps you!).
Jeff, You said that you own the Equinox 800, 900 and The Legend. You didn't argue with Loren, so you must agree....
I'm sure all of your machines hit all of the same targets out in the wild, right?
I was going to buy The Legend Pro Pack because the Equinox 900 is about $400 more. I really can't afford $1100 right now. The Legend Pro Pack (2 coils and headphones) is right around $700. That seemed like the one to get.
But then I found the Minelab Vanquish 540 Pro Pack. It's $100 less and comes with 2 coils and a Pro Find 35 Pinpointer for $600!!!
It has multi-frequencies, DD coils, Bluetooth and USES AA BATTERIES!!! It comes with 4 - rechargeable lithium batteries, but any AA batteries will work!!!
Do you feel the same as Loren? Will the Vanquish 540 find all of the same targets out in the wild as your Legend, 800 and 900??? I'm sure you'd be able to find some deeper targets with the 900 probably...
I can't find any honest videos about the Vanquish series vs The Legend, vs "save a few more $ and wait until you can afford the Equinox 900" or whatever.
I'm not asking you or Loren "Which is the best?" All I'm asking is, Can the Vanquish 540 hang with the big boys or not? I like the idea of the AA batteries, but have no problem buying the Legend, or even shooting for the 800 or waiting a little longer for the 900.
If this isn't the place, please send a message to me. I use Google's mail service, and the first part is eldie3d. Thanks Jeff!... and Loren!
@@eldie3d 540s a good machine but has very limited adjustability that’s needed when detecting on difficult trashy sites.
@johnboyle243 I bought a Legend almost 4 months ago. Thanks!
@@eldie3d sorry I didn’t reply earlier. I just missed your questions somehow.
I think you made a good decision buying a Legend. No, I do not think that each of these detectors will hit all of the exact same targets. They each have their strengths and weaknesses and the amount of variables for target scenarios is basically infinite. However, if they all are using the same sized coils with very similar settings while detecting coin sized objects, and the operator knows what they are doing there is very little difference in their abilities to detect those targets at the same depths. That is not the case for the Vanquish models. They are outstanding entry level detectors but they do not have the iron handling, speed, adjustability, versatility and waterproofing of those other detectors.
Loren, you have been the most transparent person regarding the latest brands and models. Not everyone has taken the time to test all the settings of their machine in different terrain situations to say, this is better than that. Every product has its positive points, and this also needs to be highlighted, but in the sense of amplifying something that the models were not made for due to factory default, speaking of coil formats and dimensions. I have tried to do the same as you did, in various forums, in comments and videos of well-known people on TH-cam that I will not mention. After my comment explaining what they did to raise the bar for the detector they advocate in the video, my comments were deleted, and sometimes they even deleted the videos when the cases were blatant. I won't go on any longer, I congratulate you on the excellent work and dignity of exposing the truth about the "best detector." Regards.
Glad you enjoyed my take! I would add a few more mid-range detectors to that pile now too. Each company's mid-tier machine basically has high-tier performance but with fewer features. There's so many good choices out there, there is no reason to feel the fear of missing a target.
@@LorenLemcke you are right!
Godd Job Loren
Sir. I have been a hobby detrctorist for nearly 40yrs. I have used over 40 different detectors over the yrs. My minelab soverign was the first of many multi freq units i have used. I will say i totally agree with everything you have said re.preformance i have done the tests myself. Ive tested the Legend against a lot of other units. I do not have a simplex but i do have a quest q30+ a great beginer unit. And as you uave stated other than a more punchier audio response. Minimal differences in preformance. I atteibute coil shape and stock size. Also type DD or concentric but. Pound for pound dollar for dollar. I can tell you i wont be spending my $$$ on units cozting 1000 or more. Not necessary. Im a general hobby detectorit corn fields pasture and parks. Thank you for the cool vid and calling it like it is
I actually think changing coil size / shape is the best way to unmask targets in ground that you have previously searched. In that sense, coil selection is a huge factor to me and my personal hunting style in heavy iron.
I general I think you’re right. I’ve tried same test in the wild with D2/Legend/ML and mostly all the time they all hit the targets. We did have a situation at a fav spot of ours where we were digging really deep Civil War bullets and noticed our friend, who was using the equinox, could not hear one of the bullet signals that we were barely hearing with the D2 . Keep in mind he was using the 11 inch coil on the equinox and we were using the 9 inch coil on the D2. There were probably 8 to 10 bullets that day that he just could not hear with his machine, even after maxing everything out in the settings. Additional noise , re-balancing, etc. Interesting. However, as you know, there are more variables. Basically what I found out is when you try to test these machines this closely you will end up driving yourself nuts😂 enjoy your input👌🏼
Yup, the margins of difference are so small that extracting meaningful differences is quite difficult.
I completely agree with you. 👍In my opinione the thigs that contribute to a good search are in this order of importance: 1st The place, 2nd Your experience and knowledge, 3rd Luck, 4th the Metal detector capabilities, 5th time and stamina; 6th patience and perseverance.
Yup, I think your list of factors is pretty spot on :)
I agree. It is very important to consider the coil selection when buying a detector. Even though XP Deus 2 was popular on TH-cam went with the 900. I like having options for different coils. A ton of videos on Deus 2 but nobody discusses you have to charge the coil or the cost. Sometimes, it's just easy to stay in the same ecosystem. There is a lot of drama around the Manticore and its still selling out. I love the 2D screen but price was too much for me.
That comment you just received from Dilek is well deserved. I knew you deserved someone giving you a very well-deserved comment and who could do that better than Dilek. Congratulations!
Thank you! Glad to hear people enjoyed a different perspective.
@@LorenLemcke Your perspective is righteous! Dilek has never failed to amaze me! Her acquieceing in the consciousness deserves her and Nokta being commended. Thank you for all you do!
@@donaldlee6699 Nokta should be commended for being the most accessible, open and responsive company. The others feel 'faceless' and unresponsive in comparison.
@@LorenLemcke Affirmative! They are attentive and very responsive! Excellent customer relations!
@@donaldlee6699 Glad to read this comment. I've got a Legend on the way
You bring up some interesting points! I believe that 10 percent of detectorists dig up 90 percent of the good finds. They use the higher end machines to their advantage because they understand how to use them better than others - by watching videos like yours, of course. Most guys should just buy a cheap reliable detector and enjoy their time outside. I'm sure dealers don't want to hear this but judging by the groups I've joined on FB and videos on watched YT most guys don't know what they are doing and should not buy an expensive detector. Enjoy the rest of winter and thanks for the videos :)
I agree, learning your machine will extract more performance than buying a new one :) A master with the Simplex will outperform a noobie with an Equinox in most scenarios.
Watched several videos of others putting the equinoxs/manticore to hole to hole match. Both hit all targets, and I’m sure was a let down to someone who may have been expecting more from a more expensive detector. I watch videos of digs all the time using other detectors than what I use, and hearing how phenomenal the depth is, when I know I get the same results. I came to watch your video after Dilek recommended. A new subscriber now! Thanks
Thank you! out of curiosity, could you link me to where Dilek talked about my video? I'd be curious to hear her thoughts.
Think it comes down to what your personally like in each machine in the same way one choice buying a car, they all will get you from A to B, Reliability, fuel cost, insurance cost, tax cost, how it looks, ect ect, If you have bought and test several metal detectors then you will have a pull to what you personally like or dislike, the more you use a machine the better you get at knowing how to use it to get the best out of it and go enjoy the hobby.
I agree, the feature set matters more since they are all so similar in raw performance. Build quality is a huge factor too, or just the overall feel of the detector from the sound of the audio to the feel in the hand :)
Love your honesty. Most of the time it’s ford or Chevy fight. They are all great. But I love my Kia, (legend)
I honestly expected to be able to find a handful of targets that the Deus II would hit that the Equinox 800 couldn't. I tested mostly fringe targets in heavy iron, and couldn't find a meaningful difference. I try to operate based on evidence, and the evidence that I have collected reveals that the differences are at best very marginal.
NYC metal detecting, has a video matching the Nox 800 and legend in a nyc park. Out of 30 something the legend only was iffy on one. But probably would have dug it still. I love it because I dig way less nails with the legend. But the price did make a huge difference to me. Plus I love how they are hard at work tweeting and adding more options. They are not trying to produce a new better detector they are refining the already very good detector and making it better. Can’t say that about the other companies.
@@jaredrobertson1955 Merrill makes good videos :) Thanks for watching, I really like how much Nokta updates the Legend and how quickly.
One of the most intelligent TH-cam contributions I've read in a long time. Thank you.
You are too kind, thanks for watching! :)
Absolutely right ... human nature .. if youve just lashed out £1800 on a Manticore..you are not gonna wanna admit your Nokta Legend at 1/3 of price is pretty much as capable ... So your ego and self supporting biase is naturaly going to make you produce a pro manticore comparison
Agreed! Legend is undeniably the best performance per dollar spent as of the moment.
Loren, I talk kindly to my machine and make sure it is comfortable when not working. Why, we watch TV together. The other evening it told me that it was the best detector out there and would reward me with great finds. Never underestimate your expensive friend that you purchased.
Haha :D Always nice to have friends!
Excellent video! I have been detecting for 25 years, started with a simple Tesoro, it had one sound, some dials, no screen! It forced me to learn the basics, and I found many good finds with it! My next detector upgrade was a whites spectra v3i, it was an education in how a detector thinks, the processes it runs, and how different frequencies respond to different metals. It also communicated many great finds to me. I now have a Deus2 and the equinox 900. Both are amazing! I agree that neither one is better than the other, they communicate differently, but both produce the same results in all but a few certain circumstances. They are in my opinion, a very noticeable improvement of the machines of 10-15 yrs ago, both in adjustability to suit conditions, and accurate ID at depth. I have not had the good fortune to try the nokkta or the manticore, id assume they are just as good. I will be busy for the next 10 yrs or so swinging these two, or until the next major leap in technology provides another very noticeable improvement! Keep the great videos coming!
Great delivery Loren. Dear Dilek referred to to your channel today and I respect everything she says, the ethos of Nokta and you also make some sound, informed comments in an independent manner. Thank you
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! Any chance you could link me to where Dilek talked about the video? I'd be curious to hear her thoughts. Thanks!
@@LorenLemcke Here
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I bought my detector based on how practical it is. How it best met my needs to make my metal detecting easier! When you buy a high-end mashine you know it will perform well. So preforms is a secondary choice here, so I don't feel I've made a wrong purchase choice, because it meets the needs I need to have a fantastic experience when I go out and detect. 3 words Easy-Practical-Fast!!
The physics of the situation is the limiting factor and why these top tier detectors are so close. Marginal differences can be obtained based on how those signals are processed, but its much smaller than people think. My main point is that people shouldn't be worried so much about their purchase. I totally agree!
I have had the 600 and 800 and I kept my XP ORX . I sold them and took a break from detecting because of arm surgeries . When I started back I bought a legend and haven't looked back . For my hunting here in Texas it works great . I almost pulled the trigger on the manticore but for now I'm happy with my legend and my XP ORX
Your right about most top end detectors.
The machines that are out today and the ones that are coming are a give and take on a lot of settings. You have to take a bit to give a bit here and there.
I have thought that VLF machines have pretty much got to there limits and the only thing that people want when they buy something new is the look.
As for newer machines and tests.
Its important to have the settings of the machines on test as close to each other as possible. They must have the same size coils and if using them as close to the same standard headphones.
They must have the same or as close as possible recovery speeds , if not it will effect depth and its the same for sensitivity and ground balance/ noise cancelling.
I am biased .
I use Minelab's a lot on my beaches but it doesn't mean no other machine is capable of finding the targets i fin. Everyone has a favourite and everyone has a budget.
On land i tend to use the Deus 11. Mainly for lightness and it does also have the square tones which sound like Minelab's which are the ones i started out with in 2003.
On the beach i used to use FBS machines and the X.Terra. They are quick for target i.d. but slower on recovery speed.
Now i use the Nox 800 ( which is a risky machine in the water but finds Silver well and the recovery is very good)
I have bought the 900 and that will eventually replace the 800 and be my main machine for the water use ( will explain in a bit).
I still have the E.Trac, but thats more in reserve now even though its still my most successful machine and my favourite for target info. Its just not so good on Iron and the weight is hard to handle now.
And i have the Legend Pro. Last year i found 3 nice Gold rings and 22 Silver rings with it.
The reason is will use the Nox 900 in the water instead of the Legend? Apart from the weight difference which is minor, I feel the headphones on the Nox are better for sound. I think the Legend headphones let the machine down a bit and it seems to me that the machine picks out targets better with its own speaker better than the headphones which are quieter too me.
When the new 1.11 update is out and not a beta i will update from 1.09 and will use the Legend again.
The Legend is a sturdy machine and way good enough for almost all areas i search. I just have favourites for different areas of beaches and land.
Not all machines will do everything every time. Close but not quite the full Cuban!
As for the Manticore?
I am not going to buy it or certainly not for some time. Its not a complete machine i feel. Its quite unstable on many places going by videos i have seen. It has unstable numbers , though so does the 900. Though it gives a good idea of the target for £1799 the Manticore should be a lot better.
The Manticore has sensitivity to 35 but it wont go that high in many places and thats been said on some video's , even the 900 is a bit scratchy on some sites at 25 or more. I haven't seen any real evidence that it is deeper than any other top end machine. I might? be a bit deeper but you might miss those targets as they could be spitty and you might think trash or false signal.
It might be clearer on signals at the same depths other machines can go too? But that depends if you can use the sensitivity on your ground.
At the moment it looks to me that all your getting for the extra £700 for a Manticore above the 900 is the Target Trace. Its not bad and i wish the E.Trac had it but its not worth the £700 above a 900 yet. Maybe when the Manticore has had its foible's ironed out?
I'm just not sure i need it too. Maybe one day when i need a new machine but then XP or Nokta or who ever might make something better and for less money?
This year i will use the 800/900 and the Legend on my beaches. The 900 in the water out of season and the 800 too here and there and the Legend in the late Spring too early Autumn for the newer finds that are not as deep. (headphones)!
If i didn't have the wind and the people getting in the way i would not use the phones on the Legend. I wish i could find a better set of wireless phones for the Legend but not found them yet.
Anyway thats how i feel.
I have been enjoying the Manticore, at least based on the few times I have had a chance to use it (darn winter is back!). But I do really liked the fewer TIDs that the Equinox 800 had. I just felt it was easier to remember 40 potential bins of targets, than 100 of them. The more TIDs just means any given target has more TID splatter, usually. Like on the Equinox 800 I can tell you exactly what targets a 16 could be or a 12. But on the XP Deus II, if you ask me, what are the potential targets that could display an 87, well it couldn't list anything specific. Fewer mental bins to categorize targets has an advantage, but everybody seems to think more TIDs is better. Like why not make it 0 through 1000 then, and each potential TID becomes totally meaningless and becomes a range, as opposed to a single number.
I don’t care about name brand but I am curious about what type or kind of detector to get for gold jewelry hunting.
Should it be 20khz or more? Just wondering what your thoughts are on this question
Thanks and hope to hear from you about this. And hunting on mostly land in South Carolina and Georgia
I am not familiar with the soil type in Georgia / South Carolina. The type of soil / amount of soil mineralization is a significant factor when choosing a detector. It could be helpful to ask an experienced detectorist in your area what types of soil you might encounter. In general higher frequencies will hit most gold jewelry targets a bit better. An Simultaneous Multi-Frequency detector handles most soil types very well and is also well suited for hitting small gold jewelry targets, but are typically more pricey. The Nokta Score / Double Score seems to be a good performing SMF detector at a great price. Hope this helps a bit!
Great video. I currently own an Equinox 800 and have been stressing over buying a Manticore or the Deus 2. Can't decide which one is superior. I have seen many videos suggesting the Deus is the best and some that show the impressive abilities of the Manticore. In the end, I believe it comes down to having confidence in the machine you're using. If you have experience with your detector and understand it completely, you will be more successful.
Yeah at the top end there are hair differences. If you were given a choice between two cars, and one got 30 mpg and the other got 30.1, you wouldn't really stress about the difference because in the real world it doesn't matter, which is how it is between the Manticore and Deus 2.
Thank you for a sane review! Unfortunately there is no Consumers Reports on detectors. There are lots of good detectors, at all the price ranges that will do a great job. Much depends on the type of hunting you plan to do, your environment(s) and your pocketbook. Consider how a detector holds up during use, since no one wants something that breaks easily. Leaking/waterproofing is a consideration for those hunt in water. Weight might be a factor and the length (tall folk). The cost of coils is a factor, as you probably need both smaller or bigger ones. Some people seem to jump to new machines without ever learning to work with the one they have.
Thank you for watching! Just my take on the situation, as you said there are more important considerations than immeasurably small differences in raw performance.
I love my Legend. It's not the most expensive detector, but it works for me. I use my 20 year old Excalibur 1000 in the water. These two detectors are all I need.
Thanks for the great video. I think what you are saying today regarding the top of the line detectors is absolutely true. I checked a lot of signals last year with my detector buddy and only one signal I can remember that I could hear with my Nokta Anfibio that my friend could not hear with his Equinox 600. It turned out to be a gold bracelet. I remember he was using Park mode low discrimination while I was using low discrimination. Before I dug the target ( I didn’t know it was gold ) he fiddled around with different settings and finally got his NOX to hear it relatively clearly. So you do have to know your machine and settings for what you are searching for. I think years ago, especially around 1990 Minelab did have an advantage over the top selling brands with the multi frequency machines, but there was a trade off because their detectors were kind of heavy and little more difficult to learn.
Yup, settings can definitely make a difference. Also I have seen some people swing at the target from different directions / different orientation which can have a big affect on whether a target can be hit.
Thank you for your sensible and honest video. I used my White's MXT for years and years in the low desert of SW Arizona when I wintered there, and up in the forests of British Columbia in the summer time. A couple of years ago I retired that machine and all the coils I have for it and bought an XP ORX with the eliptical coil. I am almost 70 and find the ORX so much lighter and easier for me to use. I also love its range of frequencies and programs. Good for desert, forest or city park, an absolutly great machine. Lately I have been wondering if I am missing anything with a mono frequency machine and have been looking at the XP Deus ii. Not sure if I will upgrade to a multi frequency machine or not, or even if it will the Deus ii, it is pricy and there is very little coil selection at this time. Thanks again, you have confirmed what I suspected.
Simultaneous multifrequency detectors can produce noticeable performance advantages in difficult ground in terms of depth and target ID. It's possible your ground in SW Arizona is that type of ground which could see noticeable performance advantages with an SMF detector. I couldn't say for sure because ground can vary significantly depending on location. But assuming the ground conditions are not a factor, the ORX is a great detector and likely wouldn't be missing things.
Dear Loren, thank you so much to save my money. I have the Simplex and i think, that i wouldn't find in the ground of the line i walk with another detector more things than with my simplex. Best regards from the South of Germany.
There are some reasons to upgrade to a Simultaneous Multi Frequency machine too, handles soil mineralization and salt water better, and gets better target ID at depth, assuming those scenarios even apply to you. But the Simplex is still a very capable machine :)
Top man. Nothing beats the truth. I firmly believe that you have 'nailed' a lot of issues here for the metal detecting fraternity, and the host of mytho-maniacs who purport to 'know the yoke', but in reality.......'disc themselves out', by refusing to 'lower the gain'..
Haha, you win the award for most detector analogies in a sentence :D Thanks!
Awesome video, you have confirmed my decision and so has Dilek.
Hey Loren. You are right on! I agree wholeheartedly! I watch some of those video's you refer to and just have to laugh. I've been doing this hobby for 50 years, and can see through their silly test results.
There is certainly something to be gained by conducting these tests, but poor methodology limits them from extracting meaningful differences :)
SPOT ON. Something I’ve been saying for years.
Problem is the truth hurts and many people don’t want to hear it some will even hate you for it. Sad.
Your analysis of both metal detectors and human behavior is spot on. Great work putting it together on video that will help people understand, and of course you will always get some “bias” haters that will reject no matter what you say. Im sure you would make a great therapist if what you’re doing doesn’t work out lol.
Thanks :) Haha, I dont know about being a therapist... lol
quick question (assuming you even see this five months in) - straight up, not which is better, (in your 'opinion' from your experience) is a manticore worth the extra $500 over the 900? (heavy mineralized western soils and rock)
No. The Manticore on the latest updates has had some less than perfect results in hot soils. The 900 is the way to go for you.
@@LorenLemcke thank you sir
Im more than happy with my Equinox 800. For what I do a Equinox 600 would have been plenty.
Equinox 800 is a fantastic detector, I still swing mine :)
Thank you, and hats off to you sir...no pun intended.
A good honest video.
New sub 👍🤝
Haha, thanks :)
Loren. Thank you for such an interesting view on detectors. Dilek from Nokta Detectors mentioned watching your video, and I went straight over to watch your video after hearing about it. I believe the same as you, and that is there are a lot of Great detectors out there and if you purchase a name brand you probably will not go wrong. Your stand is appreciated more than most anybody will tell you. I am fairly new to detecting and I purchased a Nokta Legend. Still learning it, have exchanged a few messages with Dilek and I believe i picked out the right detector for me. Thanks again for sharing your unbiased view to us detectorists.
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I've only had the opportunity to swing the Legend a handful of times and I was very impressed, which is why I felt comfortable including it in this list. In terms of value you get for your dollar, its probably the best, especially considering build quality. Maybe the only thing I didn't like was the menu, because it was hard to learn in the field (I hadn't read the manual ahead of time), but once you learn that it becomes a non-factor. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Loren, think the technology for VFL detectors is exhausted so I look at other factors such as EMI-proof, weight, logical program structure, features, quality, but I think the most important thing is the feeling you have with a detector, I personally have to feel that my detector can get the most out of it.
Definitely agreed!
Gaining access to old sites with long history of human presence is by far the greatest determinant in finding good stuff.
Absolutely! I would take a bad detector at a good location, over a good detector at a bad location, every day of the week :)
I am with you Loren, I like having multiple detectors as I can utilize the best traits from each to make one awesome detector.
Totally agree! If you have the time and patience, there is a clear advantage to learning multiple detectors. Also nothing wrong with investing your time into a single detector if that is all you have time for.
And this is why, if you’re buying your first detector and don’t want to have to upgrade later, the Nokta Legend is FAR AND AWAY the best pound for pound, dollar for dollar detector you can get in 2024.
Is the Manticore or Deus 2 just as good ? Sure… for a lot more money. Are they “better”? I highly doubt it in any meaningful way.
Its my recommendation for anybody who wants a top tier detector but doesn't want to pay a top tier price. Also has the best and most affordable coil selection.
Superb advice matey , thank you from over the pond
I agree. The biggest factors for me are the weight of the detector, its sensitivity to EMI and how effective EMI cancelling is!
Also a machine that works on the beach is essential. The D2 is light but very sensitive to EMI and can be unusable near power lines and buildings it also has only 7 micro frequency shifts which are not enough.
It depends on soil conditions as well.
With no EMI in the wild I would expect similar results with the top machines. But in difficult conditions one machine may be better than the others.
The way forward is to make detectors much lighter. So rather than add many more features designing detectors to be lighter in weight would be what most detectorists actually need. Lightness in weight reduces fatigue and allows a faster swing speed.
The best test is to detect with different machines then compare finds after 6 months.
I haven't had a chance to use it a ton, but the Manticore has shown to be a noticeable improvement in EMI mitigation, which will be great when I am in those tricky locations :)
@@LorenLemcke Others on TH-cam say the Manticore is so sensitive to EMI they can’t set the sensitivity to more than 25!
Most times the Nox 800 is better than the D2 by far for working in high EMI locations. I have even walked under power cables without realising sometimes.
@@oldplucker1 my experience has been very different. In locations where I couldn't go above 20 on the Nox800 I can't hit 25 to 27 on the Manticore.
@@LorenLemcke Did you try the 19 micro shifts manually on the Nox? Cog first setting +/-. Select a clear channel. Wait 3 secs between each then try next. I go under power lines at 25 with the Nox. Auto noise cancel does not work. There is also a long push noise cancel on the Mant I am told.
love the videos, keep them coming. I wish I could have filmed a few targets the other night, but I don't do video really. My buddy runs a Equinox 800 and I'm running the Manticore, he had dug two wheat penny's in a whole and the depth was already at about 12'' deep in the hole. He asked me to come over and swing to see if there was anything more in the hole... He was getting only an iron signal as there was iron also in the hole, I swung over the hole and picked up one deeper in the hole. Yes I had an iron signal also but it was showing a wheat in there with the iron. Twice this happened on this field, I also own the 800 and love it but this is the first time its been clear for one over the other... But I also totally agree that other than the fact I can move a bit faster with manticore there is little difference I can tell over the depth in which I can truly hit targets...if it is anything it is more the fact that it seems to be able to pick silver out of iron better than the Nox 800.
I praise you for your honesty an i would like to know your opinion on the score 3 vs legend which one should i choose thanks
If you don't plan on doing gold nugget hunting, and don't care too much about some of the obscure settings, then Score 3 seems to be a really good deal at the moment, especially since Nokta is running some promotion where you get an extra coil.
@LorenLemcke I appreciate the reply thanks an good hunting 👍
Excellent, honest video. Thank you!
All these detectors are pretty much neck-in-neck for general detecting. Features, ergonomics, and brand loyalty are the main drivers for potential customers. This doesn't apply to gold nugget hunting. I wasn't impressed with the Legend's performance in gold country last year with the v1.09, and the EQ800 in videos didn't do exceptionally well on nuggets either. I'm looking forward to going back there with the Legend with the V1.11 update and my new EQ900 to test gold nuggets in the wild. My current go-to VLF gold machines are the Deus 1, Gold Kruzer, GMT, and the Fisher Gold Bug II. It's interesting that Brass Medic brings up the CTX as a gold nugget machine. I'd never even heard anyone else ever mention that possibility. I think that's a lost marketing opportunity for Minelab.
I actually think small nugget detecting might be where some of the differences are more noticeable, but if that is what you are primarily seeking, there are some more niche detectors for nugget hunting that I would consider. However, it should be noted, that is just what I have been able to glean, there are no nuggets to be found in my location so I have no actual experience in that regards.
I think the reason someone like myself ( noob to detecting ) watches videos in regard to functionality is to discern IF their is a clear advantage from one detector to another. I’m about to pull the trigger on a detector in 1-2 days and my head is spinning because one person says legend , one person says eq 900 etc. etc. and as a guy that cares about quality and functionality along with my money, i want what’s best. With that said my price range is legend to eq 900. I can’t get a straight answer and apparently their is NOT a straight answer. This vid helped me BUT i still can’t decide between legend and eq 900. I don’t want to spend money i don’t need to however if the differences are so slight that a noob for sure would not recognize. However i have noticed chatter differences between these two detectors. In my very limited knowledge ( never swung a detector in my life ) only these vids bring light to this chatter i speak of. I would prefer a stable machine over one that chirps over a ton of trash in the ground. Help please !
There is no wrong choice between the Legend and the Equinox 900. Both are very good machines, and will likely produce similar chatter in trash and high EMI locations. The Legend does have a stabilizer setting that you can turn up for ultra stable detecting if that is your preference (though doing so on any machine comes at a cost when searching in environments polluted with iron).
Make sure you include a hand held pinpointer and shovel / findings pouch in your budget. Also something to consider is that the Legend is cheaper and would allow you to buy these essential accessories, or even an extra search coil if you already have those.
If you are looking to save money, the Equinox 700 is also an option, especially if you have no plans to search for tiny gold nuggets (the lack of goldfield mode is the only meaningful difference between the 700 and 900). If you aren't in the right geological location, there is likely no gold nuggets to be found anyway.
@@LorenLemcke thank you for advice and reply 👍🏼😁 i already have gray ghost ultimate pouch and CKG carbon fiber shaft in the cart 😁 i guess i will just go with the 900. I’ve watched montereymagnetman and he uses the 900. I’ve done quite a bit of research and watched a ton of reviews. My heart and gut tells me 900. We will see if it was just gas pains 😂😂
@@drinkely8235 Haha, the 900 is a proven platform, if you swing it in a good location you will find stuff for sure! Enjoy :)
@@LorenLemcke i will do my best to holler at you after my first session and let you know if i found some treasure. Thanks for your time. Loved you unbiased opinion on the machines. Good luck to you out there swinging.
A problem with a test garden where you have objects buried: The first Metal Detector that you test will “charge” the metals with its electro magnetic pulsess, so the next Metal Detector you test over the same objects will have a different situation because off the first tested Metal Detector. Could this be a problem or am I misunderstanding the physics?
That is a great question! Fortunately the eddy currents induced in the buried objects dissipate almost instantly when the time alternating magnetic field of a detector is removed. So there won't be any residual effects in a test garden. The magnetic field / current induced is rather weak and will have no impact on the object. If the object was exposed to a much, much stronger magnetic field it could re-align the electrons making the object more readily permeable to a magnetic field. E.g. when you rub a magnet against an object like a nail, and then the nail becomes a magnet.
This video makes the most sense of all of the videos that I have seen. Great job, thanks!
excellent explanation again Loren, the only thing i think you did not cover was the weight of the machine you swing, i have both the Deus and the equinox and find the Deus my better to swing, keep up the good work
Yup, that is a very good point, ergonomics of these top tier machines matters way more than their marginal performance differences on different targets! Thanks :)
Excellent honest video to the point very refreshing outlook. Great to see good enough for me to subscribe looking forward to seeing your other videos thanks for keeping it real 👌
Thank you so much! I highly recommend checking out my other video on Practical Metal Detector Physics :)
Hello sir is dues2 or manticore good??
Both are very good. Select the one that you think best fits your needs :) e.g. if you want to scuba dive then get the Deus 2.
I have a Legend, Nox800, Xterra, and a simplex. They all will find targets. The Nox has a slight advantage with target id. Thats about the difference. I have the most coils and hardware for the Legend and use that most. Basically comes down to $$.
I have a d2 and I would say the legend is probably the best and that's down to performance and price + build quality I just love my deus2 tho it talks to me and I enjoy swinging it
Yup, taking the price into consideration is very important too :)
Hi Loren. I enjoyed your video. Love the fur hat. I am still using my first detector (Simplex+) and love it. Found barrels full of "treasure" here in upstate NY. I frequently visit Florida to help my parents out and occasionally beach and salt water detect. Considering the Legend for my upgrade and a LG24 coil. Was on the fence choosing between the Manticore and Legend and actually have the Manticore on pre-order with my dealer, however I think the Minelab would be an impulse buy just to "keep up with the Jones'" and at this point might be more than I can handle to learn. I credit you and Dilek for the great educational, honest videos. Subscribed. Nice hat.
Cant go wrong with either. If your budget is limited, the Legend is a great choice especially because it afford you more coils to select from :) Thanks!
To me after 40 years in the hobby it is about finding a detector that offers me the cleanest audio. And secondly, does it have the coils I prefer. 10” or smaller type.
Coil selection is huge to me!
This got you a sub man, great perspective. I'm in the battle now. I have a Simplex, Gold Kruzer(for my tiny gold flakes) and now I need a good beach machine. Thinking it's just for the beach I'm really leaning towards the Vanquish 540. Even though I can get a nox 900, legend ,etc. I really only beach detect twice a year lol. Gotta figure a good sand scoop in there too. Anyways great video. What I needed to hear to simplify this situation with all the marketing and videos I'm taking in.
Thank you for watching :) Glad you found it useful!
Most honest video. Totally worth a subscription
With the Manticore 2D Rorschach test, my pareidolia has improved significantly. I now see ringus pullus tabulus clearer than ever before. My finds rate has increased, I couldn't be happier with my purchasing decision.
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Haha :D First time I used it out in the field in heavy iron it was drawing all sorts of interesting masterpieces.
I have an equinox and a legend. I’m dying for someone to give me a reason to throw $1600 at a manticore. I would buy one in a heartbeat but I just can’t justify it. 99% of my hunting is in saltwater so please someone let me know if you have experience with the legend and the manticore in saltwater and why you prefer the manticore. You can only recover a target so deep in the water and it’s hard to imagine being able to recover targets in the water much deeper than I do now with the legend. The equinox is subject to leaking in water so clearly there is an advantage there, in fact I just don’t take the nox in the water anymore. I haven’t heard of a manticore or a legend leaking yet. Please someone give me a reason to buy a manticore.
I'm going to invent a brand called detector X and I'll be able to say it's your favourite 😜
Great video, I want to buy a good beach detector but my budget is limited and I was wondering if it was worth the effort to spend a little more.
I have been seeing some very confusing information for weeks about which is the best detector and you have cleared it up for me in 3 minutes.
Thanks champ
Haha xD Happy hunting with whatever detector you purchased!
Try using a goldmonster 1000 without wrapping it around a tree .
I have to agree with you for the most part. The high end detectors are neck and neck in performance. Until someone comes out with a detector that can truly decipher one metal from another I believe there's not much more they can do.
Good video the ability to unmask a target is where a great detector will stand out
And if your water detecting ease of use and setup
The top-tier detectors are top-tier because their capabilities and underlying technologies are convergent. Differences are there but go unnoticed because the haphazard testing is too grossly performed. A well-designed test would reveal variations in how the post-processed signal is presented audibly and visually to the user. Fringe targets appear ferrous, severely averaged into the soil matrix, or may appear nonferrous when the target is ferrous. The detector's two transmit frequencies might be well suited for stimulating deep weak conductors that another detector, or penetrate a bit deeper in mineralized soil, but not be inherently as capable of separating iron and nonferrous side-by-side. The minor difference is there, but the rough-shod testing I've seen is too uncontrolled. There are so many other variables left unchecked that even the assumptions on performance hold little merit. Too often, the testing appears purposefully flawed to support individual biases, not to mention all too often exposing a general ignorance of suitable detector settings. Yet, warts and all, it's all anyone has to judge relative performance.
I'd propose a test garden with buried targets of unknown depth, type, or location in various soil fill undetectable from the surface (from mild soil to highly mineralized, to damp course salt-laden soil, some soil compacted others loamier, some iron contaminated and some inert) with no EMI present. Each detectorist passes through alone, making adjustments in whatever way they think is best. Each tester records where (on a grid reference) and what they think the detector is finding. Each participant records whether the target(s) are ferrous or nonferrous (possibly conjoined ferrous/nonferrous, double or single targets, on-edge or flat), the expected depth, and the target ID. The final hit, miss, false alarm stats (and correct rejection) would become the basis for compiling the detection accuracy. This is only after a statistically representative number of each detector type with different users has run the gauntlet; only then can a legitimate scientific consensus form on the capability of each detector. That would be a challenge, but it would be enormous fun to build and do, and the results would be shocking.
Yup, I totally agree. Also the smaller the margins of difference between the detectors demands better, more accurate tests to extract those differences. Most tests I see are sloppy and haphazardly executed.
great video, i also love my legend :)
I actually don't own a Legend, but I got to swing somebody elses a handful of times. A buddy swapped me his Legend for his Deus II, and we compared a handful of signals. I was very impressed with the Legend, felt sturdy (which I really like), and over that small sample size, each machine hit all the targets quite well.
Long talk,but interesting video Loren, greets from Holland 👍
I used to have a permission on a local farm,and I found some nice finds including several silver Celtic units and hammer coins a nice vesica seal and a massive finger ring that proved to be a merchants ring that would have been guided and worn over a gloved hand. Also found a Celtic quarter stater. Was over the moon with that lol. I think as detectorists we are always looking for the holy grail. If I had a more expensive machine I would find more. Don’t think in reality it works like that it could mean you missed something you have to be over it to find it. I am looking for a beach detector as I have been out of metal detecting for maybe 6 or 7 years due to life getting in the way, I still have the deus 1 but I am looking at a multi frequency machine for the beach as I visit friends on the south coast.and am impressed with the legend. So I think I am going with the legend maybe the pro pack so I have the little sniper coil.
Sorry meant to say you talk as it is.
Love you discussion on bias. We would be all better off in so many areas if people just grasped that concept. But I have to asked why are you biased towards the top end machines and don’t just use a simplex?
I have my biases too, personally I am not a fan of the audio mode on the Simplex, I like more musical tones which means I have a bias towards Minelab products. When I use the D2, I prefer to use the square tones as well, the more musical the better for my ear. I don't like the grindy, whiney sounds of PWN style audio. I also think there are some real advantages to having SMF on a detector, but honestly for the price the Simplex is pretty top notch.
@@LorenLemcke dont all the multifrequency machines have multiple single frequency options? It’s funny where you see nokta as good because they update I see a company that rushed a product that wasn’t ready and spun fixes as progress when they should have been caught by their testers and fixed prior to me buying a Legend.
Great video and outlook 👍👍
Thanks for watching :)
bro what do you think about Relic Striker metal detector for big targets? is it stable on mineralized soils?
I honestly dont know anything about that detector, sorry :/
Thanks
I'll be your subscriber...
I'll turn on ALL notifications...
Just answer one question....
You mentioned the Deus 2, the Manticore, Equinox and a friend's Simplex.
You didn't mention the Minelab Vanquish - probably because you've never experienced it....
But considering everything you said, all of the 'name brand' metal detectors should be able to hit the same targets out in the wild.
The Vanquish series is multi-frequency and has the DD coils. The 440 and 540 even have Bluetooth. Shouldn't the Vanquish 540 be able to find all of the same targets out in the wild?
I did watch a video about and old Aussie that calls himself a Bush Kid or something. He had a video titled "Equinox 900 vs The Legend" (or something like that). He didn't show any of the girl/Legend. He only showed his findings with the Nox 900. He was hitting targets 12" to 15" deep.
If someone is looking for depth, then there is a BIG difference between which metal detector is best, right?
I'm just asking... or, I'm just saying...
I had an old Bounty Hunter single frequency (basically a kids toy). I used it on construction sites to find excessive nails and screws that fell to the ground. That cheap piece of crap actually found a few small treasures. It sparked my interest in getting a professional metal detector (professional beginner), like a Vanquish, Simplex or Ace.
In my shopping for an entry-level detector that's not crap, I learned about multi-frequencies and DD coils. So I've increased my budget a little. The Simplex went to Legend and Go-Find went to Vanquish.
Now I'm wondering if I should step up a little further... I can't afford the Manticore. I doubt I can afford the Equinox 900...
I'm still at the Legend, the vanquish, the Equinox 800 and maybe... just maybe the Equinox 900...
I'm going to be on the Mississippi Gulf Coast beach, I'm going to be in parks, I'm going to be on old civil war sights... Basically, I'm going to be everywhere... I'm going to be by the Lake Pontchartrain (brackish water), on the Mississippi Gulf Coast, and everywhere in between. I'll even be out in fields and out in a Bonnet Carre Spillway. I live in New Orleans. I'm sure some beach finds are going to be deep, and I'm sure some civil war relics are going to be deep....
Considering your video I just watched... You said they all will hit the same targets in the wild... But I'm sure they not all going to hit 12 to 15 in deep...
Do you still have no opinion if someone was to ask, which one should I buy?
If you can answer this, I will become a subscriber with all notifications on! I'm a man of my word and I promise you!
I think you're going to say...
"The Vanquish 540 WILL find all the same targets, but the deeper you want to detect, the more money you have to spend".
Therefore the Equinox 900. (It's $1100 with 2 coils). If depth isn't an issue, do you think the Vanquish 540 could hang with the Legend?
Thanks!!!
Hi, based on what you said, I'd actually recommend The Legend over the Vanquish 540. While their performance is likely very similar, The Legend has an internal rechargeable battery which is way better than having rechargeable AAs. Also you said you might do some beach hunting, The Legend is waterproof while the Vanquish 540 is not. In terms of general performance, they are likely very similar, though I would give the edge to The Legend in terms of versatility: can switch to single frequency, has different SMF weightings, and has depth-audio which is good for finding deep targets in isolation (e.g. on the beach). I didn't include The Vanquish series in my discussion because, while they have good performance for the value, the general feature set is lacking compared to other similarly priced detectors, as of present.
It's true that in general the higher tier detectors are deeper, and cost more, they actually aren't that much deeper than some of the midrange offerings, e.g. the Vanquish series. You really pay a lot of extra dollars for those few extra centimeters. Even the Manticore, when set at commensurate recovery speeds, is only marginally deeper than The Legend and the XP Deus 2, but depth is a blurry metric. E.g. if the Manticore gave a somewhat clear tone on an ultra deep target, then maybe the XP Deus 2 / Legend would still hit it, but would give a much more choppy tone. Both could still be dug, but one machine is hitting it just a bit better might do a better job at catching your attention and convincing you a deep target is present and its not just background noise.
I hope that helps out!
@@LorenLemckeIt definitely helps out a lot!!! You've earned another subscriber!
I originally thought, "Loren said they're all the same, and all find the same targets, so just get the Vanquish 540, save some money and go do some treasure hunting".
But from your reply above - and because you didn't include it in your videos list, now I'm thinking the Vanquish is not really in the same class as the others. I'm now thinking the Vanquish is either a high-tech expensive toy, or a basic bottom-of-the-line cheap beginner detector for a new part-time hobbyist looking to get into detecting for the first time, and wants to try it out before spending a lot of money.
I used to MD a lot! But was forced to stop in 2005 when Hurricane Katrina wiped out everything my wife and I had.
It took us about 8 years to rebuild. We were back to being pretty stable, and I was planning to purchase another MD around 2013 to 2014 - when my wife got sick. It became terminal and I stayed by her bedside the 5 months trying to make every moment count. She passed in May of 2015. We didn't have life insurance and we were way behind and I didn't work 5 months - or maybe a little longer... Anyway, I lost everything and became homeless. My first night in the homeless shelter, someone stole my bag and I no longer had an ID and couldn't stay in a shelter anymore. I was on the streets of New Orleans. While somewhere on the streets of New Orleans, the retirement home couldn't find me to tell me that my mother was sick and not going to make it. My mom passed in 2016 without me seeing her for the last time, telling her I love her, telling her goodbye, and I missed her funeral services. In 2017 I was working odd jobs trying to get back on my feet and somebody robbed me and shot me in the chest. The 9 mm hollow point went downwards through my intestines fraction my pelvic bone and into my back side waistline. The bullet destroyed my intestines and I had a colostomy bag. I had a second surgery about 6 months later to reverse the ostomy. The Staples didn't hold, the incision reopened and I could put my four fingers down into my abdomen - I could see my intestines. For most part of 2018, I had to wear a wound vac. A thin membrane grew over the opening... Eventually, my intestines stretched them thin membrane pushed through and caused a 12 cm stage two incisional hernia. In October of 2019 I had to have a third major surgery to repair the hernia. I recovered from the gunshot and all three major surgeries on a hard steel park bench - sometimes in the intense sweat-drenching heat and sometimes in the freezing-cold rain. Recovering from getting shot and three major abdominal surgeries where the incision was from chest to pubic area was tough to recover from - especially with no food, no fresh water, no clean bandages or other medical supplies and no money! It took me 5 months to recover from that last surgery in October of 2019.
5 months from October of 2019 brought me to March of 2020 -Right when the COVID-19 pandemic started. It was the pandemic that pretty much saved my life. Every man has his breaking point, and I reached mine with the colostomy bag... And suffered even more after it! The reversal was awesome, but the hernia made me look like I was pregnant for 5 or 6 different sized boulders. A friend said it looked like I was giving birth to an alien like in the movie Alien, and a little creature's head was trying to push out.
Like I said, it was the pandemic that saved my life - from my breaking point. The New Orleans government put all of the homeless people and hotels and motels. I now had an address and used it wisely. I filed for food stamps, Medicaid, pandemic unemployment, and the two stimulus checks. Most other homeless people that were taken off the streets didn't do that much - and the ones that did use the money for drugs and alcohol. I use the money wisely! I bought a used car that was only 2 years old, I rented a home - a house, not an apartment, And I bought a couple grand worth of tools and started my own business. I'm now run a handyman service. I'm semi-successful, but not where I want to be. I'm a lot better than I was 3 years ago, but not where I was 10 years ago - or even 20 years ago... I'm still very lonely and work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. I need a break. I need a vacation. I need something therapeutic and something fun and relaxing for a change. I've been really wanting to get back into metal detecting, so that's what I decided to do with the pennies I've been saving every week. It's taking me 3 years to save up $800.
I want to try to start my own TH-cam channel. Maybe call it, "Rags to Riches" and use it to spotlight 'beating homelessness and becoming successful". I could show some of the work I've been doing building custom closets and doing emphasis on my metal detecting treasure finds. I might not get a lot of viewers or subscribers and I might not make any money with it, but at least I'll be documenting the last few years of my life to leave something behind from my kids and grandkids to watch in the future...
Maybe some other homeless people might find it and give them strength and hope with my experiences.
I'm rambling and you're probably rolling your eyes! Lol My apologies to you sir!
From your message above, I just locked in on The Legend. I've been banging my head on a wall between the legend and trying to save up a few hundred dollars more to get the Equinox 900, but all of the reviews I've read... And like you said with your wisdom...
But in other words....
The differences in quality = grains of sand. Each grain of sand is $100. You can get a few millimeters deeper with one grain of sand, $100 please! You can get just a few more millimeters deeper for 1 more grain of sand, $100 please. You can get better sound separation on multiple targets for two grains of sand, $200 please. The next thing you know.... you just spent $800 on 8 grains of sand. You look at the 8 grains of sand on the kitchen table, think about the $800 you spent and wonder if you made a good purchase...
I get it.
The Legend it is!!!...
Thanks Loren!
I'm going to go ahead and subscribe now and put on all notifications - because of my man of my word! Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to appease my questions and I hope you have a great rest of your day and a safe, healthy and happy life!
Edit: All the above probably sounds like a made-up story. I just reread my small book, and I started thinking... This guy's not going to believe this crap! But it's all true and can be proven with documents, photos, articles, videos etc. Two of them can be searched now. Actually three...
You can do a Google search for a "Missing person Eldon Ladner in New Orleans", From when the retirement home was trying to find me to tell me my mother was sick and they couldn't find me anywhere.
You can do a TH-cam search for "removing a 9 mm hollow point from myself"
And you can also do a Google search for "New Orleans man shot on March 10th 2017". It happened in the 17th Ward on the corner of hickory and Hamilton near Monticello. Anyway, I have all that documented. I even have the mugshot of the guy that shot me, pictures of the gunshot wounds, pictures of the surgery, obituaries from my mom and wife. Everything can be proven... I just reread it and it sounded like a bunch of BS to me so I said let me try to confirm this before he thinks I'm a delusional nutcase! LOL
Thanks Loren!!! Now go back to your staying safe, healthy and happy and have a great life!!!
which machine do you enjoy the most? thanks awesome video!
The Equinox 800 was the first machine that I 'fell in love with', so I have a special liking for that machine, but I honestly love them all.
@@LorenLemcke xp dues 2 vs manticore which machine do you see has an easier learning curve for first time detector user. thanks for the quick reply. keep the videos coming!
@@mase202 I probably wouldn't recommend either to a first time detectorist, they are both somewhat complicated and rather pricey. If a first timer detectorist wanted something top of the line, I would suggest the Equinox 900 and recommend sticking to the default programs (which are really good).
Well said!! The BS out there is getting to me. You've just earned a new sub, and look forward to more straight up common sense detecting talk.
Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed a different take that isn't all about declaring some absolute winner and then trashing on everything else :D
Not everyone is loyal drunk , some, but maybe you should do test that you can confirm not being biased, thankyou
Good job 👍 🥰💪👏👏👏👏🤝 keep on searching 🤩🍀
Thanks! Will do :) Happy Hunting!
Excellent video! Well said.
Probably none of them on the list .there just the brand names what comes to mind .any one use a detect relic striker or nexus or a top tesoro detector will say different
Loren,
Another excellent video. I agree with you that all of the top detectors will find most of the same stuff. However, there are some differences. User interface for one. I personally find the Deus II menus confusing and The Legend, due to its large number of updates, has a lot of shortcuts buried in their menu structure. The Equinox/Manticore user interfaces are super easy to use.
I'm also curious as to your thoughts on certain detectors being better at locating specific targets. For example, and I have seen this time and time again, the Deus II seems to see nickels better than the other detectors. My buddies who have swung Equinoxes for years have been astonished how many nickels they are finding in areas that they have previously hunted. It would be cool if you could take a look at that.
Keep these videos coming!
Bill
I agree with the interfaces, the Manticore has the best interface in my opinion. As far as the Deus II hitting nickels more often, I couldn't really confirm such a thing here in Finland, but if there is merit to the claim, it's likely that the Deus II's fundamental frequency simply excite nickels better than the prior machines used :) Somebody did send me some nickels to do some testing with, I will see if I can notice anything. Thanks!
I haven't used the Deus ll, but I can say from experience that the Legend (and the Anfibio) are definitely nickel magnets. Maybe this summer, I'll get a chance to compare signals here on Cape Cod.
You must learn the unit, nothing else matters, if you don’t learn them it don’t matter, you didn’t take advantage of the performance in totality
Best of luck in the field -
Thank you, you too!
thank you. i like it.
Thanks :)
Good post!
Thanks! :)
hi in teh video you stated you would do a test to prove you can make it work so heres the challange i want a iron target at 13" deep and i want the deus 2 to detect it as iron with a low vdi i then want the manticore to detect it as a good target with a high vdi :) do you accept the challange sir ?
The ground is totally frozen here, I will have to wait some time before I can perform any in ground tests :(
@@LorenLemcke air test is fine :)
Hope you get chance to look at New Quest V80 with hyper Q.
That would be awesome! I love learning new machines. If the price is right, I might have to get it :)
Here de new quest v80 price 700€ in the netherlands
Sir no need to explain like a Rhodes scholar, point is the xp deus 2 and manticore are overpriced, but forget that each persons ground condition is different yes, but just say it, sir consider the buyers that buy the manitore and deus 2 learn study that’s most important, which one offers the better chances considered the updates explain in basic terms,
It's too weird watching you read from a prompter. It seemed like you were reading text you weren't that familiar with. Bzzt.
Cool
CTX3030 / Manticore and Excalibur II best results I had. Much deeper then others.
I knew I was missing a penny sometimes...damned nails anyway
If only you spent that extra $2,000 on a new machine you wouldn't have missed that penny! :D
Miss it by an inch, miss it by a mile. 🤷🏻♂️
Yup, most important factor is that you gotta walk over the target first :)
No detector has an inch advantage between the top four.
So the CTX-3030 didn't make your list? 🤔 Better is a pretty neat word but if we all go into a site that has never had a detector swing over it and you give everyone 1 hour to detect. The CTX-3030 is going to dig far less trash and quickly cherry pick a site, at the end of that hour the skilled CTX operator is going to have more quality targets and will have dug less trash. Granted the CTX might miss a very small percentage of targets co-located in Iron over a "faster" machine. As you may know I own and use every popular machine made in the last 20 years. Find it odd that you and many others discount the CTX in your best of videos. I have done a similar video or two but have been careful to make sure the video was a head to head comparison discussion, have not done a shootout of the entire group of the current elite offerings. I know you didn't actually make a declaration here and I completely agree within the scientific approach. I think what it comes down to from a psychology perspective is majority of the prospectful buyers are asking us content creators for our opinions as they do not already own all the current offerings, don't want to take the time to read owners manuals on machines they don't already own, may not even have the spare time to invest in research, therefore they trust in a content creator or two and look for opinions whereas the content creators become influencers. I used the word majority and I do believe it's a significant majority. The level of understanding that you have of this technology puts you in the very top percentile of this group. I like your warning here but it since you never told them which machine, many will just go find another video to hear what they want to hear. Lastly, I wouldn't consider the CTX-3030 "old technology" just yet as out of all of my machines it's still the machine I will grab this morning as I head out the door to a new site we have never detected before. My "bias" comes from conditioning over the years as all of the experiences I have had with all of my machines. Another big factor for me is the reputation of the manufacturer as well in regards to build quality, repairs, updates and pricing. Always look forward to your videos and words of wisdom but I have yet to see the CTX-3030 mentioned in any of the best of videos and feel I should at least make a comment. Cheers, Mark
I actually would add the CTX-3030 to my list, the only issue is that I have never used one so I couldn't really in good conscious recommend something that I haven't at least had a chance to play around with. I guess another hesitation with recommending the CTX-3030 is that Minelab is supposed to releases a new iteration of it pretty soon, and I would personally recommend holding out for the new one :) I really do wish I had a CTX-3030 and the possibility of a new iteration right around the corner has been the only thing stopping me from getting one.
Mark,
Your reply is interesting in that it validates the concept of "user expertise." You obviously know the CTX 3030 very well. I have no doubt that in your one hour test you would do very well. But that all depends on who you are going against. The CTX, like the Etrac it was based on, was a beast in its day and you can still do well with it. Shoot, I can take my Explorer II and give you a run for your money because I know that detector inside and out. But if you want to go head to head with a skilled Equinox or Deus II user you are going to get smoked, as will I. When the Equinox came out I did a similar test with my Etrac and the simple fact is that the Equinox will see targets that the CTX/Etrac will not.especially in high trash. So while I agree with you that a CTX will still find good stuff, I really don't see the point in suggesting to Loren to include it in his list. If he does that, then he will have to open it up to every guy who knows an older detector well.
Just my two cents worth, no criticism intended, just a different point of view.
Bill
@@LorenLemcke This is a valid point but it's still currently for sale and their flagship VLF machine, albeit . . . getting old. 😜 It definitely belongs in all talks of best of even for 2023. I am aware of the new project they are calling "The Ultimate" which will replace the CTX-3030 likely within 12 months but even then it's still a very capable machine that has to at least be fairly compared to a $500 Nokta Legend! That was my main point for the comment, found it odd that the flagship machine can't even be on the table or in the discussion. Your video here was very good advice to those who are here looking for recommendations. 🤠
@@williampaxton871 Hi Bill, yes I was trying to understand how the flagship multi-freq machine from Minelab which is still being sold (with the warranty) could not even be considered in the talks when the $500 Nokta Legend is considered. The CTX is showing it's age a bit but still absolutely one of the better machines on the market. My statement about the 1 hour hunt was very carefully worded to indicate a short window in time as the CTX would cherry pick a site quickly where very little trash would be dug but as soon as the cherry pick was over it would get beat hands down by the better target separation of the more modern machines you mentioned. In my example it would be best to go against myself as I have countless hours on the Equinox 800 and the Deus II as well. I know all of the machines well and simply because of "my" experience(s) the CTX would be "my" machine of choice in that short 1 hour hunt. In a site with limited or no iron trash I would again give the CTX enough respect and consideration that it should be a candidate for a "best of" talk. Your last sentence is exactly what I mean . . . Yes it is an "older detector" now but it's still the flagship machine for one of the top manufacturers in the industry. Doesn't deserve to be in the same discussion as the Explorer or Etrac as the CTX-3030 is still being sold and marketed! Someday soon we can put it to pasture as it's successor is well in the works. Btw everyone who knows me and has detected with me (or has watched my videos for the past 12 years) would know that I also had many countless hours on my beloved Explorer II and the Etrac. So again, because of my own personal experience(s) with all of those machines, I simply stating that any list of best in class (today - Feb 2023) should have the CTX-3030 in the discussion. Kind of beating a dead horse here. But I do appreciate your comment, in this case we will have to agree to disagree as you have said you "really don't see the point", whereas I do. Nothing wrong with that! Loren has always been very pragmatic in his videos and I thought it inviting to make my comment to him. With others, I may not of even wasted my time. No criticism taken and always enjoy others point of views!! 🤠
@@BrassMedic The Flagship CTX 3030 is not nearly as versatile as far as its ability to be used by people of all sizes, detect a wider variety of target sizes, a wider variety of target conductivity and most of all a wider variety of ground conditions as the Manticore, Equinox, Deus 2 and Legend. Hopefully the next version of the CTX will be a much better detector for high iron mineralization, small low conductors and especially more lightweight.
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V3i For the Win
Got to be the nexus MP V3 for me, its such a ell thought out deep machine