'How has Sunak got it so wrong?' | LBC debate
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- With the PM announcing a General Election will take place on 4th July, James O'Brien reflects on and asks his callers: 'What knocked the gloss of Rishi Sunak?'
0:03 - Caller David blames Rishi Sunak's 'downfall' on him ‘banging on about Rwanda’.
4:34 - James O'Brien is left astounded as caller Mo explains how Rishi Sunak 'failed to manage his defeat to Liz Truss' in the Conservative Party leadership.
7:44 - Caller John defends Rishi Sunak, saying ‘it was the damage done to the party’ that contributed to his current reputation, and insists that ‘Sunak did stuff right’
11:13 - James O'Brien gives caller Phil a simple way to remember Rishi Sunak's initial vision for leading the Conservative Party 'IPA - Integrity, Professionalism and Accountability'.
15:58 - James O'Brien butts heads with caller Folayan, who believes Rishi Sunak 'has done things to help' the country.
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Sunak has no connection to ordinary people. That's a big problem.
None have including Labour??
How dare you. He worked a soup line. And asked patrons if they owned a business. I see what you mean.
He does with children as he gets to buy their clothes.
VAT free.
Sunak problem is even bigger than James's LBC mug.
@@kennethcartwright8561 some are worse than others
VOTE OUT TO HELP OUT. There's a rat in the kitchen.
Some of these callers can't see the woods for the trees. The reason it's gone wrong for Rishi is because he's morally and politically bereft
So was Johnson but he won with a landslide
Its no single issue, its a multitude.
@paul But above all he's a tory!
He just simply believes like most public school educated men (obviously not all I'm just refencing the multiple studies conducted on these incredibly damaging institutions, that are incredibly traumatising to the individuals that go through them) that the World should bow down before his inherent right to rule over them.
@@rachelmatthews3070 we got these types in boatloads in the colonies and that's how the British Empire disintegrated. They were inept rulers who alienated the people they imposed their leadership on and in the end, were kicked out. But the lesson was not learned. We are still indulging them on these isles.
That last clown was priceless. He got a reduction in National Insurance. Who put it up in the first place? The Tories.
He was right about support for Ukraine though. Sunak has actually been OK on that.
@@jonathanbowen3640 Any British PM would have supported Ukraine. All he did was carry on the policy Johnson started. I’m fed up with people excusing this clown show when if it were Labour they would be outraged.
Yes Ian, says a lot about support for the Tories: the mentally ill, the deluded, et al
@@iangascoigne8231 Labour will turn England into Pakistan The tories are alrady mini India. The cabinet does not reflect the demogrpahics of the UK
"I'm not a Tory" goes on to wildly defend Rishi. Yeah, right mate.
Yeah I get the feeling that the two very well spoken south Asian men that called to back Sunak up see alot of themselves in mr Sunak and take it as a personal attack when his credibility is questioned.
Get Sunak out .
It's coming soon. Independence Day on both sides of The Atlantic.
Why you hating him
Get the Tories out
@@pravinpatel4020 Because he is a useless PM and doesn't care about us.
@@pravinpatel4020Because he's hateful? Yeah, that's it, he invites hatred. Why? Because he and his cohort of cronies have devastated the UK.
NHS collapsed , energy collapsed, transport collapsed and housing collapsed , poverty …..etc.
One thing not collapsed: the wealth gap. That has sky rocketed with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
And getting much worse.
The pro-Sunak guy at the end is a clown.
Yep. Even the mention of furlough is misguided (Sunak copy and pasted that from other European countries at the time).
Not many
Maybe he is an Indian immigrant
@@Britain4775 to be fair, he did sound Indian 😅😅
@@ioansamyris8637 he did and also offered less than the majority of comparable EU countries at the time too.
We're experiencing the highest tax burden since the second world war
Hunt said that £100k is buttons. As chancellor he could have give everyone a £100k tax credit.
Rishi losing, that's one thing, but losing to Liz? That's unfathomable! How do you lose to some one that manages to tank the entire economy in one week!
It's right there in black and white,..er brown and white.
But they didn't know she would tank the economy did they? You are using hindsight.
Maybe she was set up by the establishment 🤔
@@elawchess everyone knew those undefunded tax cuts were mental, even sunak in debates with liz warned the tories who voted the lettuce in
Because he is brown
he lost to Truss because he is not white. That is, she won önly because she is more English.
it's simple. He is incompetent and inexperienced. Candidate quality is a serious problem with our system. We put a jumped up fund manager in charge of the country after only a few years in poliitcs and expected everything to be fine. If he went for a CEO position prior to being PM he wouldnt have got it. Yet he's allowed to run the country, it's truly nuts. We should really put in rules that say you can only be PM if you've managed a large organisation well first.
He helped his father inlaw quite alot as PM.
Accomplished his way to the luckier-than-middle, then slept his way to the top.
pretty much every tory politician...
The mug gets bigger every time the Tories tell a lie on air.
It used to be a thimble...
@@AllSortsOfStuff58 And that was only at the start of the week!
@@mattbooth307more like the start of the show
@@AllSortsOfStuff58 thumbelina use to drink out of it before the tories 😂😂
🤣😄
The last guy.... Turkey voting for Christmas... What a spanner.
The question more is what have the tories actually done right in 14 years? Seriously…anything… anyone…? I cant think if one thing they have done well or for the benefit of the UK. They have done a lot for themselves and their mates, but for the taxpayer….. ?
The wealthy are much better off under this government.
do you even know anything they have done? There are many benefits, the most notable being a reduction in inflation
@petyr They closed down the economy during covid which cost the country billions...so they got something right.
@@GTA_6_Clips A reduction from the high that they caused--and it's still grossly bloated compared to the start of the Tory reign.
They backed up Ukraine and let the way in ignoring Putin's hollow threats and "red lines". Even if that stemmed from Johnson's wish to be the next Churchill, you can still do the right thing for selfish reasons.
When you are so rich you live ´ another world. He does not have a clue what going on. This dude does not wash shirts he has a brand new one every day.
"Name one thing Sunak has done that we should be celebrating". Called an election.
The surprise for me is that Sunak is standing for election on the 4th of July at all. Why would he not retire now?
He is hoping he is not elected as he has a flight booked for the USA on the 5th.
It's simple because Infosys might not gobble up the British contracts so easily and the Russian/Saudi donors might have a harder point of entry though I doubt that with the Starmer alternative
He has done nothing to improve my life as a pensioner. Hes been “tinkering” around the edges.
The truth is, and regardless of how they performed in office, Sunak wasn't the choice of the Tory voter. Truss won the leadership contest fair and square. Sunak was the choice of the 1922 Committee, not Tory voters. They changed the rules of the 2nd vote to get him the top job without competition. He has never and never will stand a chance.
That's the issue. The man was installed like a toilet in a bad plumbing job. He had no legitimacy with his own party let alone the country.
your issue is with the british political system. When a PM resigns, this is the process. Labour did the same thing one, THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULES.
Don't take your issue out on him for it, and he did have competition....
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about, misinformation in britian again like usual
Nor was Truss the choice of Tory voters, but of Tory party members.
I could not care less about the choice of the tory voter
Every government around the world did furlough, it was hardly a Sunak masterstroke.
Why is no one talking about the 120 million of his 121 million pound fortune is from the emergency test that we all recieved early last year for which his wifes father owns the company HE gave the contract to that he has shares in, enough that he recieved 120 million pound from, why is this not being spoke about n then why were at get boris' and truss' books lets see what they syphened out the uk economy !!!
All mp's should have their bank accounts looked at
Simpler than that. He's a Tory: they're always wrong.
Sunak was around in 2010, telling Cameron that brexit was a requirement for the UK to move forward untethered to a slow and cumbersome EU. So his ability to cause damage was evident some years ago
That "I am not a Tory, but .." 16:30
Pull the other one!
Risky went to a homeless charity, and asked a homeless man getting food. "What business is he in." 😀😀
😂😂😂😂you couldn’t make it up!
The big issue !
Sunak is "Mr Bean" but without the comedy timing😂😂😂😂
@brian Well you certainly found that funny. Four smileys..and you "liked" it too.
@@chatham43
Sorry, have I said something wrong about your hero ? Have a tissue 🤧
Very true there’s nothing positive to say about him but there’s nothing positive to say about Starmer either he’s a dodgy as a £4 note
Liz Truss.
The Cosplay Maggie Thatcher.
Fourth rate Thatcher
Lizz ruined and more get ready for labournistan if you go for labour
Poundland Thatcher
@@pravinpatel4020 Oh grow up.
@@Edge81😂😂😂
Furlough was not an achievement because if the workforce did not survive there would be no economy , also it was paid for by money that comes from the tax payers .. US
Exactly.
I keep saying this.
It could have been any party in government at the time, but any sensible administration would have done exactly the same thing.
It's nothing to take credit for.
And if they actually done more, sooner we wouldn’t have had to spend so much on furlough. If Cheltenham hadn’t have happened or the European match in Liverpool, the deadly virus wouldn’t have spread so wide, so quickly.
If Rishi had more experience he wouldn't have gone near the PM post as it was a poison chalice. He inherited a train wreck.
I suspect he only did it at his father-in-law's bidding
He probably did it so he could be called an ex prime minster and make money on the lecture and speech gravy train. Why any one would want to listen and pay to that whiney nasally voice drone on is beyond me, but I guess some people would, likely in India.
Oh, Folayan. Mate. You've gone on O'Brien's show and embarrassed yourself
Losing to Liz Truss would shake anybody's confidence. I mean even Gilderoy Lockheart would struggle to keep his ego in tact after such a defeat...
Pretty much every political commentator knows Sunak hasn't got an ounce of political nous. Just hopeless.
British are puppet of the American and Boris Johnson stop the peace talks and Ukraine SS moving to British and British and American and Canadian and Australia family fatm moving to Christian ruy
What they dont know however is they are all the same. Our political system is broke. The media and the political commentators are now going to go about telling us how one part of the globalist uniparty is better than the other. To make us think we made a difference when we vote, and all the ill feeling is towards them is reset to zero.
Says he is not a Conservative lots of times. I call LIAR.
"I'm going to let you talk, then I'm going to tell you how silly you are" 😂😂😂😂
A reduction in national insurance that’s just great. Oh by the way they unsneakily didn’t bother to change the income tax thresholds which means that NI cut pushed a lot of people into higher bands so they’re actually paying more tax now than before it…
Also if rishi did help with inflation what did he do
I think people reckon the GE is a done deal. I'm not so sure, the UK voter is both unhappy and obtuse, that's a dangerous combination.
It’s not over yet , 2017 should tell us that
21 points, let’s see how much and how quickly this narrows
Think about Mickey Gove. One of his teachers said he was a future Tory leader. Seems unlikely now. Then he went to Oxford as the son of a poor man and ingratiated himself with very rich chaps by doing their homework. And a career of bootlicking followed.
A toad of a man
All of this is missing the point. All that’s happening is the real powers are changing the cheek of the same backside.
What worries me is no matter who gets in, the mess, the severe imbalance of how money has been distributed to all, is going to take quite a few years to sort out... And thats assuming whoever gets in is truthful, honest, and wanting to do the "right thing" for the UK.. and address what we have got wrong internationally too.
It doesn't matter who you vote for because the government always takes office.
He's had how many weeks head to head with Kier to answer questions at PMQ's and how many has he answered (rhetorical question). He now wants a head to head. You must be Joking.
Well Keir who legally represented Jimmy Saville has a appropriate CV for the PM spot doesn't he???? Waken Up!!!!
@@sassylassie3230You don't get to pick your clients when you are a lawyer! Everyone gets representation regardless of what they've done.
@@sassylassie3230 are we just making things up now? Starmer was director of prosecution for CPS, he didn't represent Savile.
@@sassylassie3230 No, Starmer didn't legally represent Saville. Stop lying. Saville's case never even reached his desk
@@fitzlock8349 That's how politics works these days. It doesn't matter how easily the lie can be debunked, you just need to repeat it over and over.
Caller mo is absolutely spot on....sunak can't handle failure and it traumatize him
The Tories are the modern Natc party
sunak and starmer sing from the same hymn sheet, i.e we must get economic growth, grow the economy etc and the wealth will trickle down to the poor, the strange thing is the working class fall for shat every time
@@DrMontague I just wish someone would just say 'The economy is an abstract that exists to serve the people not the other way around!'
@@DrMontague 14 years of losing and you still expect Labour to sound like Labour?
@@redemptivepete the economy is not abstract it's very real, it affects your every day life, under capitalism you are exploited by the labour capital relationship. that is your labour exploited by those who own the means of production. they want to make vast profits , in order to do this they want to keep your wages low as possible. If you have to wait 10 hours for an ambulance or you are struggling to pat your mortgage of feed your kids you know the economy is very real!
What tickles me is the optimism that a change in government will make a difference to anything.
I give it until Autumn until people are moaning again
True that, they latch on to one policy or sound bite that Labour espouse - put their x on the ballot paper and then expect that to happen in the next few months. This stuff takes time.
Sunak has no people skill's, it wasn't a hindrance as Chancellor but it is glaringly obvious as PM & sadly THAT'S where it's needed ...he seemed to believe that everyone would go along with him after the ridiculous Liz Truss debacle ... He has listened to the wrong people in an attempt to get their support whilst ignoring the right people (the voting public) who have suffered under his leadership much as they did under Johnson. We're fed up with being lied to, sold out & side lined in our own country, we're fed up not having a police force & justice system that serves the people, a health system that's more concerned with how much they're paid/how long they work than seeing to the health needs of the public, education, public transport all these "public funded" services serving they're own needs before ours, but most of all were sick & tired of seeing sack loads of tax payers money going to the French in return for them "stopping the boats".. they didn't even try, did Sunak demand a refund? NO he let it slide, Rwanda aren't offering to take the illegals for free , more sack loads of OUR money but NONE from the French or any other EU country who SHOULD have sheltered them but happily palmed them off on us... That's what he failed to understand.. he said he'd STOP THE BOATS, he didn't so it's goodbye Fishi Rishi & the Tories, here comes Starmmer 😳😲🤦🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
Just like Corbyn moved Labour too far left, Johnson moved the Tories too far right.
Some people are deluded!
You had me at "waving lettuces"🤣
Either J.O.B is 2 foot 3 or that mug is massive.
It would fill me with joy if the mug was normal sized and it turned out James O’Brien was the UKs smallest man and it never came up
😂 I thought that
3:09 Ludicrously Big Cup.
Microphone looks big too@@Aloddff
@alex, and what are you?
How can I possibly be expected to listen to your Callers when you produce such HUMUNGOUS Mug?!
😁😆😁😆😁
Love it!
Perhaps he is just bored with all of the poor people, and wants out as soon as possible? He will have already changed any laws he needs to, to enhance his finances.
The country is in a total mess and the buck has to stop somewhere?
Vote for the Citizen Independents or The Workers Party of Britain to end the reign of the Uniparty Crime Collective!!!
Since we're talking Shakespeare, has the Ghost of Sangita's career paid YOU a visit at any feasts recently James?
James is a presenter not an executive. This is like me yelling at you at work saying "Why didn't you stand up for Sandra when she got fired?"
@@Jonnyonthespot123good point
Sunak was NEVER his own man, he tried to be everyone's man. He was never true to his own beliefs.
"His mechanisms gone." 😂😂😂
July 4th: RISHI'S AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE DAY
He can go and get his green card back now. He never wanted to give that up.
No credit for furlough . He should have included a plan to recoup the money from some corporations in the furlough package ; also he should have gone ahead with windfall tax on utilities companies.
That last guy absolutely votes Conservative lol.
Like Sunak, Starmer may have not been in Parliament all that long, but you get the impression he's been ENGAGED with British politics a lot longer, which you don't with Sunak ( not unsurprisingly ). That's the difference.
The last caller was soo cringe!
The caller who is lauding Sunak, fails to recognise that successive Tory ministers have been ants when compared with big beasts that used to dominate the party. You may not have liked them, but they were clever and witty people.
The myth of Icarus is instructive. He flew too high and his wings melted and he crashed to earth. Cameron flew too high and was too complacent. Johnson flew too high due to his immensely flawed character and arrogance. Truss flew too high because she is somewhat unhinged and Sunak flew too high through lack of experience and ability. By contrast, the likes of Thatcher and Blair were up to the job, like tor loathe them. Major, May and Brown each made the best of very poor situations. I suspect Starmer will also fall into that category. The media need to be far more aware of this and more careful in commentary. Then the electorate will be better informed..
this just wont happen the press is too right wing they smash any left wing,centerist viewpoint
The caller at 14:30 "its typically british to bash the government of the day!" No mate, it's completely normal to bash the governement of the day - if they are utterly siht. What an idiot, "he bought inflation down!" NOTHIN TO DO WITH HIM!
guess what inflation ALWAYS corrects itself with time doesnt matter what partys in power
Banquo? Kind of straining for a metaphor, don’t you think? 🤔
That is a massive mug of tea!
I think Larry the cat would have been devastated to come second to Liz Truss!.
Love it when James says I'm going to let you talk to someone he disagrees with, and sometimes manages to do so for nearly five seconds
Surprised that the Tories are immoral? Strange take.
Sunaks grandfather Ramdas Sunak was a high ranking official in finance and justice department working for the Kenyan colonial government. Who had links with the Mau Mau in the Kenyan uprising against the British colonial rulers . So it’s no surprise This Tory administration has paid almost £20 million compensation to 5,000 elderly Kenyans who suffered abuse at the hands of the British during the uprising, which lasted from 1952 to 1960 Sunaks other grandfather Raghubir worked as a tax collector for the Department of Inland Revenue. His work was recognized with an MBE in 1988 (making him a Member of the Order of the British Empire). so hardly came from a working class family he had the financial backing from family ties MY THEORY is he was levered into politics by family ties and wants damage Britain
The problem is that sunak was trying to sort of 'play the game'/do what's he was told to do. He was told how the system works and followed that, rather than do the things he may have wanted to do. He just didn't have the intelligence or backbone to say 'we're not going far-right' or 'I'm not just a brown face that demonstrates how 'diverse' the party is.
But that is me being generous to him.
The last caller is a perfect for this years SUPERCOMPILATION.
You know what, I'm not sure it's really his fault. He's a steady-hand-on-the-tiller guy at a time when - as he said himself - the country is facing exceptional problems. Albeit, those problems are partly the fault of the successive failures of Tory govts.
Dear James..LBC...the last decade of government in the UK is a disgrace to the likes of Gordon brown✓. May.T.. lord.boriss.. a UK government for a month* Liz truss 🎉😂 party gate.. the next century 😅
The Tory’s seem to have forgotten about the Bibby Stockholm, does anyone know its utility value today
What on Earth is the cost of a supposed plane on the ground ready to fly. Plus the airfield/crew/security ‘ready’.
He only appeared to find it distasteful because he thought more people did. As soon as he realised it made a few people who would usually scowl at him clap, and that the centre of the party didn't care, he was all for it.
”Principles for sale! If you don't like this view, I have others in the back!"
"I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper class, I have friends who are working class... Well not working class..."
Sunak stabbed Boris in the back to get the big job! A snake is in number 10!!!! He takes claim for fiscal policy when it is the Bank of England that controls fiscal policy! All you hear is this and Labour NHS in Wales!
The British electorate must really love these 2 parties to continually vote them back in for 100 years (under different name).
It’s either that, or they are insane.
That f-ing Mug LOL.
Because he was second and not first people like that can't cope with second.
Sunak doesn't know how to use a credit card or an umbrella was fined twice by the police and whilst serving a homeless man breakfast asked if he was in business........just out of touch
May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak; 4 of the brightest of Britain. How fortunate British are
Hazy Sierra Nevada is a great IPA. Points to you James
Kemi Kawsasi. Remember that dude?
Sunak is the kind of man that, in order to make friends, would read a book called "How to relate to people."
Sunak only became Chancellor because of the shallow talent puddle he was in....
Where can I get one of those LBC Mugs/Buckets...
"I'm not say from nothing"
He did say that
"It never rains in California", rishi defies british rain, it doesnt exist for him...
Rishi has nothing to loose, no matter what he does or doesn't do as PM. Rwanda is an absolute distraction. The threat of it has not, and will not stop the boats. He completely lacks any credibility. ................. but then neither does Keir Starmer or most of Labour's potential front bench. ............. My vote goes to Lord Elpus!
*lose
Went to great private schools, jobs for the boys in the city, the right rich people social circles and them married into ridiculous wealth....that's the success story of a meritocracy??? I'm not saying he hasn't achieved anything or done anything well but it's a bit of a stretch.😂
Reduction in nat ins will cut more money to nhs because it is our Nat ins payments that pay for nhs. WE DO NOT ACTUALLY GET OUR NHS FREE but oay for it ahead of need. Wish pple were reminded of this more intense!!
All the comments should be about the size of James’s mug
I hear he calls it that.
Not that I am a flag waving Sunak supporter (being neutral), he is probably a great guy unfortunately he has inherited a Conservative party PM position at a time when conservative party itself in disarray and lost favour of most Brits. I reckon possibly after July 4th would be his biggest failure of his life rather than being first British Asian origin PM.
He targets the depressed people who are struggling in life when the truth is that he is depressed