Great video clears alot of things up with these reviews people saying your done for if battery dies they can't be ridden like a normal bike and yes for these emtbs not just hub, I got my new emtb yesterday and it went just fine while battery was outcharging just spun the crank round to see if it was locked up but yeah alot of confusion there with magnetic hub motors people thinking and saying these are the same
I often ride with the motor off on the flat sections, that way my ancient-bike buddies can keep up. But uphill, it's assist everytime. I see no reason to penalize myself for their stubbornness. As for the workout... This is the most fit I've ever been. Be well, be safe and enjoy the ride.
Assisted bikes actually also go a long way back. I dont think climbing without an engine is stubborn, its only stubborn to ebike uphill with the motor off; as the main reason to use the ebike is the need of extra help and wattage on the climbs anyway. I agree on staying safe and having fun tho. Cheers.
Are your buddies not swapping their ancient bikes because of their stubbornness, even if they have rhe financial resources? Or are they not swapping to ebikes because they can't afford to?
"stubbornness" you're sitting on a very high horse lol. a e-bike that fits my needs would be 6000€+ a usual mtb was just ~ 3000€ so i took the usual mtb. for 6000 i could buy a used enduro ( the motorcycle enduros ). not going to spend so much on a bike :D
I'm going to stay with "stubborn". All of my riding friends have $6000 to $8000 acoustic bikes. They can easily afford an ebike. They just don't understand, or choose not to appreciate, what an ebike can do for them. I like to explore new terrain and trails. Some may go up and some may go down, but all take more time, energy, or speed, then my friends can afford. After an hour and a half of hard riding, their legs are cooked and the ride is over. Then I go off and ride, by myself, for another two or three hours. Also, waiting at the top of every climb, for what seems like forever, is incredibly frustrating for the other ebikers in the group. It's just something I have to live with for the time being.
I ride with motor off if I'm riding with none ebike riders because otherwise I just get too far ahead and dont get enough of a workout. Otherwise I use minimal assist and have a ton of fun.
When I bought my emtb, I did so on the basis of the least resistance from the motor. At that time it was the Yamaha. Most people will only ride with the motor off is when the battery runs out. In my case that probably means after about 70km by which time my legs are pretty tired anyway so it really feels like riding through treacle.
Snap! The motor resistance from my Giant/ Yamaha motor is bad at the best of time, when the motor is turned off but God forbid if you’re on a long ride and the battery runs out of juice (which happened to me after a 53 miles) and you’re still four miles from home. Whether you’re peddling through porridge (over the 15.5mph limit) or pushing through setting concrete ( battery run out of juice), it’s always gonna be painful.
@@johnchristopher5075 I did a lot of research on motors three years ago and at that time the Yamaha came out best on having least resistance! The motor on my Haibike is good, on several occasions I have got on the bike and not noticed that I had forgotten to turn the motor on until I hit a gradient! The one thing I have learnt is not to depend on the last 10% of the battery as it goes in no time.
When I bought ebike I thought it would be terrible to ride it without the assist but I was pleasantly surprised that it is not as hard as I expected. On the flats I spent lot of time above the 25km/h limit, I can even push it to 30km/h and sustain that speed for much longer than I ever expected. But on the climbs it is a different story of course, it is really hard. But also I almost never use middle assist mode, 99.9% of the time I'm in eco, which is just perfect amount of assist for me. This test was interesting but that route was too short for significant difference. If the ride was 1 hour long or even 50 km long difference would grow significantly. But on the other hand who would be crazy to ride such a long ride on heavy ebike without the assist, only maybe if you totally miscalculated the range or motor died :)
I’ve been riding my Turbo Kenevo battery out for the past week, and to be honest it feels very similar to my DH bike, gearing far better, and climbs almost as good as my Enduro. And the bike park it’s even nicer to play with. 700w battery out = 4Kg weight gain bringing the bike around 20kgs so it actually works
@@CharlieLesPaul All I did is unscrew the plastic cover from the battery, it's easy to pull out the thin rocking bolt. Then all I did was use packing tape to hold it on and to hold the power connector in. I've been riding it like this for about 2 weeks, and the tape came off easy and doesn't leave sticky residue... Kinda simple. Mostly the reason for this is that I sent my battery to my next destination and still wanted to ride the bike until I left, and it worked out great.
I have ridden the first climb at Llandegla in Wales (it's about 5km relatively gentle gradient, about 3% average) with the motor off as I was with 2 other people on standard MtBs and I ride much more than them so it sort of evened out the effort. Motor was on for the rest of the day though :-). I am riding a Cube Stereo with the Bosch CX performance Line Motor. I have also had a couple of motor error faults where the motor has switched itself off, fortunately this was on downhill sections and a reset prior to any climbs sorted that out.
Went from a full sized levo to a SL and its perfect. I can ride without turning it on and it still helps me when i want. It feels more like a bike then the full sized levo.
@@mrlaforgephysics it's pretty important. I go on long rides. I want to know I can run a battery flat and get home okay without lots of rolling resistance
Nice test, though like others, I would have liked to see it without the deadweight of the battery. I don't have an eMB, just a folding fat tire that I ride on MBT's about twice a week. Tire drag is the main killer, but once you get going it's not as bad. I never turn the system off, just turn assist off when riding with others. Never had a breakdown in 5000 miles, so I never had a reason to ride with no power at all. About 150 watts just compensates for the extra weight and rolling resistance, and doesn't give me any advantage, but extra power is certainly there if I need it!
I've ridden my Bosch powered Cannondale Habit Neo with the Motor in Off mode (display is powered on, no motor assist) and rode 26KM before turning it back on. Mainly flat terrain (there being a lack of mountains in East Anglia), and only really noticed it going up a grassy hill. However as some commentators have stated lo lose the battery power at the end of a long ride would undoubtedly be a real drag! :)
I ride my Orbea Rise M10 off quite often , 19.4kg. Particularly when others in the ride are on Analogue bikes. When we climb as a group I tiurn off the RISE and ride the same pace as the analogue riders. Good fitness training. The RISE is the middleweight category, so its not bad with power off.
You should have done the test also without the battery on the emtb, would have got good interesting information as to the effect of the weight of the bike 😀
Not much, because battery can preserve kinetic energy (moving with bike) when need go up the small humps, roots or off the puddle. Bigger difference will be at uphill trails. But when trail starts/ends at same height, this not really matters. Try Yourself - fit 6kg cargo to Your bike frame and do test at flat tarmac road, gravel, trail next do the same without. More resist is from electric motor transmission., as far we know no transmission is 100% frictionless.
I wondered if my Turbo Levo had motor drag too. I tested it on our local mountain in San Diego called Rockhouse. It took 35 min with no motor. I was so excited to see that either, I was more fit to push this bike or the motor resistance wasn't a big deal. The weight of my large Levo with rohloff hub and accessories is 53 lbs. Before I got my E-Bike, I timed my climb on my 26" Turner XCE with rohloff hub. I took 35 min to do it in the summer. It weights about 33 lbs. 20 lbs difference.
I ran out of battery today 2km before my home. It was painful without assist. Fortunately it was only 2km… next time I will turn back earlier or reduce assist.
I'd put a dynamo on the front wheel, and set it up to trickle-charge the battery whenever pedal assist is disabled.
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Once I was riding with a buddy on a standard bike, and I switched off my motor (Yamaha Syncdrive 2.0). Not that bad at all, although my Explore is a big bike and I had panniers (at least an additional 10 kg).
Whoa. I’m impressed it was that close. I could be 20 seconds behind my eBike group with the power on, on a climb. And when power drops, over 16mph, it’s like dropping anchor. But I have to agree the suspension on my eBike is peach compared to my carbon analog bike. Would be interesting turn the power back on and see the stats 👍🏽
@@YouCantParkThereMate I am riding the beast ! 4.85inch farriers, double battery (8kgs) and a bafang ultra 1500w motor which is almost scary. This beast cruises at minimum power on the beach with light pedaling at 34kms/hr. To say I love it would be an understatement. The 7 speed gearing is good enough, normally I carry 10-15kgs of camera equipment and merrily float over rough terrain with ease.
@@TheNomadicTraveler haha nice! My dad's currently building a bafang 750 watt system. Once you start hitting your power numbers then the weight isn't really an issue. Nice setup!
@@YouCantParkThereMate I rarely use anything above 500w according to the power meter unless I am going for gold up some tough climb - in soft deep sand it is just too much power and through the river I get drowned with those tyres picking up water buy I love it all the same
I test rode the Kenevo SL this week and the first thing I did was try riding up the fire road with the motor off. I usually ride a stumpjumper and my first thought was I must have the assistance on. It might have been the geometry, the tyres, wheel size, gearing, idk but it was already easier than my regular bike.
It would be interesting to see the time for riding the EMTB with the battery turned on! With the added weight of motor, battery and wiring, the EMTB was really handicapped! Like most riders, I do ride downhill and level sections with power off to save battery,
Hello, I ran out of battery yesterday in the peak district, 6 miles unassisted, I had to push it up as no way could I of pedal it, it was ok on the down bits, but the lads I was with dropped me on the road, no way could I keep up with them, 2 on ebikes one on a regular. I'm definitely feeling it today. Il take my spare battery next time.
I just brought a Scott e stride 930 and i regret 2 things. 1. Getting the bigger 620w battery 2. Getting a large frame size with 29" wheels. The bike weighs 27kg! Its a big boy to push around unassisted. It fits me perfect at 6 ft 3" but still. Less metal = less weight. I could have had a taller seat post instead and saved some weight =D
I've got the e ride 930, too. Mine is medium, but I'm 5' 9", and suits me. I accepted that it would be heavy, but once I'm on the move, I don't notice the weight. As for the battery, I also have the 620w, and although I rarely run it flat the extra capacity encourages me to ride further than I would on my old bike with a 500w. The one thing I don't like, is how awkward it is when wheeling it around in the garage, or leaning against something - it always wants to slide along and fall over. Overall, I do love it - I'd probably be sitting on the sofa now if I'd kept my old non - ebike.
Not really into ebike with no motor don’t mind of flat but with incline it’s much too hard quick flick if thumb and away we go so nice to feel the assist after the struggle Would never go off road without my motor ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Riding my ebike with no power is not fun. Defeats all the benefits and exacerbates the negatives of the emtb. Have rode mine a couple time with dead battery, but would never ever on purpose.
My e sommet is down to about 20 kilos now with lighter wheels/tyres and stuff. Still feels heavy with the motor off but I do ride on flat like that to eke out extra miles
Let’s talk motor drag … my bafang ultra definitely has drag but it is not consistent. If I don’t switch on the power it pedals like a regular bike but I don’t get any mileage on the odometer. If I put it in power assist zero, there is a little drag but when I switch down from any power mode to zero there is more drag but not always the same amount. Does anyone know why this is
17 seconds faster downhill on the EMTB over such a short run?! 😂 I know you are of course pro-EMTB and are clearly trying to prove that “Hey EMTBs aren’t that bad without power” but come on, at least TRY and pretend that this was a genuine test 😂
None of these videos ever apply to me cause the bikes I’m buying are on the cheaper end and way heavier than the bikes you guys ride lol I wanna see some tests with my cheap 70lb ebike lol
I think I’ll leave my battery in and the bike powered up, after all, that’s why I bought the thing in the first place. Perhaps with reduced new bikes you’re struggling for material?
As someone who is interested in EMTBs but worries about the feasibility of riding it if it dies, I found this videos super useful. Doesn't really seem like a struggle to me; perhaps your standards for how relevant each of these videos is to you personally are too high?
Did this the other day Tavistock to Plymouth on drakes trail only use it on for the steep up hill 27.5 miles on the gps / 29 miles on the v2 stilus bike computer 😉👍🏻🚵♂️💨💨💨
Ummm why use times at all for this comparison? Especially over such short little runs. (Actually the cynic in me suspects exactly why you use times and over such tiny runs) Why not use power? That is what matters, how much extra effort the rider must put in to lug all that extra dead weight. Either try to keep the power the same and compare times or go for fastest time and see how different the riders output was. "Perceived Effort" can go suck a bucket of D's for all it's worth :o) All your BPM tells me is that you are fit and that should come as a surprise to no one. Even with such small runs rather then "seconds faster" it might have been better to express the deficit as a percentage. No one goes out for a 10 min ride at a park then calls it a day. The 33 seconds difference sounds pretty tame but when you also realize that's half a minuet per lap lugging almost 7 kilos extra that ADDS up REAL fast over a days worth of riding. Your liner extrapolation of 3.5mins over an hour raises an eye brow very curious as to how you came to that figure. People don't predictably discharge like batteries, if that was the case you would never have to worry about "bonking" as you would feel it coming long before it hit you. Go out there and shred for an hour, run your "experiment" in real world conditions on one bike gathering your important data. Rest up and do it all again on the other bike being sure to record power.
To me this was a pointless exercise…. Yes keep the motor of on the flat sections and downhill if need be but use the motor on the climbs as exactly what it’s designed for 🤷♂️
You can't how ever you try make pedalling an ebike with the motor off sound like it's not that bad... It's ruddy horrendous !!! Unless you have an expensive super light eeb you are simply just going to damage your lungs by over inflating them and causing unnecessary shredding of your leg muscles. For the general population who still ride mid priced full fat heavyweights, the difference between your bossnut and you lifeless E-Tank is going to massive. You would say probably, don't dilly dally and get yourselves a superlight eeb.... I would say, don't forget your multi tool and spare battery. Lol
get yourself some good fitness and you'll see you don't need a motor to ride a mountain bike. not to mention the health benefits. no impact on the environment and of course being one with nature. It aren't that hard mate! look at your heart rate on these tests you got a good workout, now turn on the motor, not much of a work out, I get it you want to eat your burger and ride a mountain bike but dude it aren't that hard, no motor required. unless of course you have a disability or are old I get that.
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Great video clears alot of things up with these reviews people saying your done for if battery dies they can't be ridden like a normal bike and yes for these emtbs not just hub, I got my new emtb yesterday and it went just fine while battery was outcharging just spun the crank round to see if it was locked up but yeah alot of confusion there with magnetic hub motors people thinking and saying these are the same
I often ride with the motor off on the flat sections, that way my ancient-bike buddies can keep up. But uphill, it's assist everytime. I see no reason to penalize myself for their stubbornness.
As for the workout... This is the most fit I've ever been.
Be well, be safe and enjoy the ride.
Assisted bikes actually also go a long way back. I dont think climbing without an engine is stubborn, its only stubborn to ebike uphill with the motor off; as the main reason to use the ebike is the need of extra help and wattage on the climbs anyway. I agree on staying safe and having fun tho. Cheers.
Are your buddies not swapping their ancient bikes because of their stubbornness, even if they have rhe financial resources?
Or are they not swapping to ebikes because they can't afford to?
"stubbornness" you're sitting on a very high horse lol.
a e-bike that fits my needs would be 6000€+
a usual mtb was just ~ 3000€
so i took the usual mtb.
for 6000 i could buy a used enduro ( the motorcycle enduros ). not going to spend so much on a bike :D
I'm going to stay with "stubborn". All of my riding friends have $6000 to $8000 acoustic bikes. They can easily afford an ebike. They just don't understand, or choose not to appreciate, what an ebike can do for them.
I like to explore new terrain and trails. Some may go up and some may go down, but all take more time, energy, or speed, then my friends can afford.
After an hour and a half of hard riding, their legs are cooked and the ride is over. Then I go off and ride, by myself, for another two or three hours.
Also, waiting at the top of every climb, for what seems like forever, is incredibly frustrating for the other ebikers in the group.
It's just something I have to live with for the time being.
"The Spectral off". 👍🤣 English humor at it´s best. 👍 I like!
Would have added to the film if you did a 3rd run with the motor turned on.
I ride with motor off if I'm riding with none ebike riders because otherwise I just get too far ahead and dont get enough of a workout.
Otherwise I use minimal assist and have a ton of fun.
When I bought my emtb, I did so on the basis of the least resistance from the motor. At that time it was the Yamaha. Most people will only ride with the motor off is when the battery runs out. In my case that probably means after about 70km by which time my legs are pretty tired anyway so it really feels like riding through treacle.
Snap! The motor resistance from my Giant/ Yamaha motor is bad at the best of time, when the motor is turned off but God forbid if you’re on a long ride and the battery runs out of juice (which happened to me after a 53 miles) and you’re still four miles from home. Whether you’re peddling through porridge (over the 15.5mph limit) or pushing through setting concrete ( battery run out of juice), it’s always gonna be painful.
@@johnchristopher5075 I did a lot of research on motors three years ago and at that time the Yamaha came out best on having least resistance! The motor on my Haibike is good, on several occasions I have got on the bike and not noticed that I had forgotten to turn the motor on until I hit a gradient! The one thing I have learnt is not to depend on the last 10% of the battery as it goes in no time.
That data says to me that sure it will be hell but it's not that much longer unless in a race is where it matters. Great vid
When I bought ebike I thought it would be terrible to ride it without the assist but I was pleasantly surprised that it is not as hard as I expected. On the flats I spent lot of time above the 25km/h limit, I can even push it to 30km/h and sustain that speed for much longer than I ever expected. But on the climbs it is a different story of course, it is really hard. But also I almost never use middle assist mode, 99.9% of the time I'm in eco, which is just perfect amount of assist for me. This test was interesting but that route was too short for significant difference. If the ride was 1 hour long or even 50 km long difference would grow significantly. But on the other hand who would be crazy to ride such a long ride on heavy ebike without the assist, only maybe if you totally miscalculated the range or motor died :)
It's the long uphill grinds that concern me with a dead emtb.
I’ve been riding my Turbo Kenevo battery out for the past week, and to be honest it feels very similar to my DH bike, gearing far better, and climbs almost as good as my Enduro. And the bike park it’s even nicer to play with.
700w battery out = 4Kg weight gain bringing the bike around 20kgs so it actually works
Hi, I would like to use my kenevo without the battery, what has been your solution for the power cable and the battery hole?
Thanks
@@CharlieLesPaul All I did is unscrew the plastic cover from the battery, it's easy to pull out the thin rocking bolt. Then all I did was use packing tape to hold it on and to hold the power connector in. I've been riding it like this for about 2 weeks, and the tape came off easy and doesn't leave sticky residue... Kinda simple. Mostly the reason for this is that I sent my battery to my next destination and still wanted to ride the bike until I left, and it worked out great.
@@johnabbott4485 OK great, thanks for your reply. Happy riding.
I have ridden the first climb at Llandegla in Wales (it's about 5km relatively gentle gradient, about 3% average) with the motor off as I was with 2 other people on standard MtBs and I ride much more than them so it sort of evened out the effort. Motor was on for the rest of the day though :-). I am riding a Cube Stereo with the Bosch CX performance Line Motor.
I have also had a couple of motor error faults where the motor has switched itself off, fortunately this was on downhill sections and a reset prior to any climbs sorted that out.
Llandegla is horrible even on an emtb - it's just what feels like eternal uphill hah
Went from a full sized levo to a SL and its perfect. I can ride without turning it on and it still helps me when i want. It feels more like a bike then the full sized levo.
What i wanted to see was how ebike motor brand a,b,c & d each did against each other with the power off. Please redo the test thus way.
You’re gonna choose your ebike based on its power off performance?
@@mrlaforgephysics it makes sense. You don't wanna die trying to get home...do you?
@@mrlaforgephysics it's pretty important. I go on long rides. I want to know I can run a battery flat and get home okay without lots of rolling resistance
Nice test, though like others, I would have liked to see it without the deadweight of the battery. I don't have an eMB, just a folding fat tire that I ride on MBT's about twice a week. Tire drag is the main killer, but once you get going it's not as bad. I never turn the system off, just turn assist off when riding with others.
Never had a breakdown in 5000 miles, so I never had a reason to ride with no power at all. About 150 watts just compensates for the extra weight and rolling resistance, and doesn't give me any advantage, but extra power is certainly there if I need it!
Yeah because you'll leave your 700 quid battery half way up the hill when it's flat to save weight won't you..... 🙄😆😂
I've ridden my Bosch powered Cannondale Habit Neo with the Motor in Off mode (display is powered on, no motor assist) and rode 26KM before turning it back on. Mainly flat terrain (there being a lack of mountains in East Anglia), and only really noticed it going up a grassy hill. However as some commentators have stated lo lose the battery power at the end of a long ride would undoubtedly be a real drag! :)
I ride my Orbea Rise M10 off quite often , 19.4kg. Particularly when others in the ride are on Analogue bikes. When we climb as a group I tiurn off the RISE and ride the same pace as the analogue riders. Good fitness training. The RISE is the middleweight category, so its not bad with power off.
You should have done the test also without the battery on the emtb, would have got good interesting information as to the effect of the weight of the bike 😀
Not much, because battery can preserve kinetic energy (moving with bike) when need go up the small humps, roots or off the puddle. Bigger difference will be at uphill trails. But when trail starts/ends at same height, this not really matters.
Try Yourself - fit 6kg cargo to Your bike frame and do test at flat tarmac road, gravel, trail next do the same without.
More resist is from electric motor transmission., as far we know no transmission is 100% frictionless.
I wondered if my Turbo Levo had motor drag too. I tested it on our local mountain in San Diego called Rockhouse. It took 35 min with no motor. I was so excited to see that either, I was more fit to push this bike or the motor resistance wasn't a big deal. The weight of my large Levo with rohloff hub and accessories is 53 lbs.
Before I got my E-Bike, I timed my climb on my 26" Turner XCE with rohloff hub. I took 35 min to do it in the summer. It weights about 33 lbs. 20 lbs difference.
I ran out of battery today 2km before my home. It was painful without assist. Fortunately it was only 2km… next time I will turn back earlier or reduce assist.
that chain is so rusty lol :D Keep up the good work ! :D
You could clearly hear the rattle from the Shimanomotor in the DH segment. So expensive bike and it isnt more silent when costing, it is a shame.
I'd put a dynamo on the front wheel, and set it up to trickle-charge the battery whenever pedal assist is disabled.
Once I was riding with a buddy on a standard bike, and I switched off my motor (Yamaha Syncdrive 2.0). Not that bad at all, although my Explore is a big bike and I had panniers (at least an additional 10 kg).
If I switch my purion system off rather than setting the mode to off. Will it not add mileage to my trip computer? Just curious 🤔
Whoa. I’m impressed it was that close. I could be 20 seconds behind my eBike group with the power on, on a climb. And when power drops, over 16mph, it’s like dropping anchor. But I have to agree the suspension on my eBike is peach compared to my carbon analog bike. Would be interesting turn the power back on and see the stats 👍🏽
You gave the same data set twice at the end for some reason. It would have been interesting to see the time comparisons for each section too.
I often ride 40kms with the motor off for a workout, but my bike is 45kgs! In 30degrees C I manage to work up a sweat.
Fuck....45kg? What are you riding? I thought mine was heavy +.+
@@YouCantParkThereMate I am riding the beast ! 4.85inch farriers, double battery (8kgs) and a bafang ultra 1500w motor which is almost scary. This beast cruises at minimum power on the beach with light pedaling at 34kms/hr. To say I love it would be an understatement. The 7 speed gearing is good enough, normally I carry 10-15kgs of camera equipment and merrily float over rough terrain with ease.
@@TheNomadicTraveler haha nice! My dad's currently building a bafang 750 watt system. Once you start hitting your power numbers then the weight isn't really an issue. Nice setup!
That should say 4/8 inch fatties
@@YouCantParkThereMate I rarely use anything above 500w according to the power meter unless I am going for gold up some tough climb - in soft deep sand it is just too much power and through the river I get drowned with those tyres picking up water buy I love it all the same
Depends entirely on the weight of the bike and the fitness of the rider.
I test rode the Kenevo SL this week and the first thing I did was try riding up the fire road with the motor off. I usually ride a stumpjumper and my first thought was I must have the assistance on. It might have been the geometry, the tyres, wheel size, gearing, idk but it was already easier than my regular bike.
My giant fathom feels really heavy and feels like your pushing against the motor when it's turned off oh man it's hard work.
same mine mate,
It would be interesting to see the time for riding the EMTB with the battery turned on! With the added weight of motor, battery and wiring, the EMTB was really handicapped! Like most riders, I do ride downhill and level sections with power off to save battery,
Wish you used the Kenevo SL here
They really need to sort that ep8 rattling out. Sounds horrific! Nothing worse than bikes rattling i cant stand it. Interesting video tho👍
Fundamentally very similar bikes, for me it just shows that weight saving doesn't give you massive benefits in terms of time.
Hello, I ran out of battery yesterday in the peak district, 6 miles unassisted, I had to push it up as no way could I of pedal it, it was ok on the down bits, but the lads I was with dropped me on the road, no way could I keep up with them, 2 on ebikes one on a regular. I'm definitely feeling it today. Il take my spare battery next time.
My ebike battery ran on last bit ride had push up derwent to Lee tor climb was not nice with no power
I rode Manchester to Southport with no power turned on wasn't to bad Bafang bbshd motor
I just brought a Scott e stride 930 and i regret 2 things.
1. Getting the bigger 620w battery
2. Getting a large frame size with 29" wheels.
The bike weighs 27kg! Its a big boy to push around unassisted. It fits me perfect at 6 ft 3" but still. Less metal = less weight. I could have had a taller seat post instead and saved some weight =D
I've got the e ride 930, too. Mine is medium, but I'm 5' 9", and suits me. I accepted that it would be heavy, but once I'm on the move, I don't notice the weight. As for the battery, I also have the 620w, and although I rarely run it flat the extra capacity encourages me to ride further than I would on my old bike with a 500w. The one thing I don't like, is how awkward it is when wheeling it around in the garage, or leaning against something - it always wants to slide along and fall over. Overall, I do love it - I'd probably be sitting on the sofa now if I'd kept my old non - ebike.
Not really into ebike with no motor don’t mind of flat but with incline it’s much too hard quick flick if thumb and away we go so nice to feel the assist after the struggle
Would never go off road without my motor ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Riding my ebike with no power is not fun.
Defeats all the benefits and exacerbates the negatives of the emtb. Have rode mine a couple time with dead battery, but would never ever on purpose.
next time try Specialized Enduro vs Kenevo SL...or better yet Stumpjumper vs Levo SL vs Levo
Exciting stuff...
My e sommet is down to about 20 kilos now with lighter wheels/tyres and stuff. Still feels heavy with the motor off but I do ride on flat like that to eke out extra miles
Do this again with an SL as a colab with gmbn
Riding horse 🐎 vs Driving jeep 🚗 ?
Not bad! I thought the difference would be greater
SICK!!!
Lol well I would never have thought that
I add assist as I need it, off on the flat/downhill, eco on mild climbs, trail on the steep bits.
At 57 yr old, i’ll just die if i have to climb without assistance. I use my mmmbop HT for chilling non e-rides
Let's see how you feel after 3 hrs with equal assent and descending amounts.
The motor drag on my bike would kill me within a mile of deactivation.
Let’s talk motor drag … my bafang ultra definitely has drag but it is not consistent. If I don’t switch on the power it pedals like a regular bike but I don’t get any mileage on the odometer. If I put it in power assist zero, there is a little drag but when I switch down from any power mode to zero there is more drag but not always the same amount.
Does anyone know why this is
17 seconds faster downhill on the EMTB over such a short run?! 😂 I know you are of course pro-EMTB and are clearly trying to prove that “Hey EMTBs aren’t that bad without power” but come on, at least TRY and pretend that this was a genuine test 😂
Totally agree - Comparing times 1m09 vs 1m02 isn't 17 seconds and when you watch the video's Chris is pedalling the emtb and freewheeling the mtb...
None of these videos ever apply to me cause the bikes I’m buying are on the cheaper end and way heavier than the bikes you guys ride lol I wanna see some tests with my cheap 70lb ebike lol
I think I’ll leave my battery in and the bike powered up, after all, that’s why I bought the thing in the first place.
Perhaps with reduced new bikes you’re struggling for material?
As someone who is interested in EMTBs but worries about the feasibility of riding it if it dies, I found this videos super useful. Doesn't really seem like a struggle to me; perhaps your standards for how relevant each of these videos is to you personally are too high?
Basically theres no difference if you pedal your legs off on the ebike. Dont know how much that tells me
Did this the other day Tavistock to Plymouth on drakes trail only use it on for the steep up hill 27.5 miles on the gps / 29 miles on the v2 stilus bike computer 😉👍🏻🚵♂️💨💨💨
I think most people would abort their ride and head home.
Next time do a video with the battery taken out of the bike to save weight
Impossible to ride when Bosh had no battery, compare to Shimano last year
For long downhill i cut off power
Why not test the difference using a Kenevo and not a light weight EMTB.
Almost unrideable when flat, that's what.
My shimano 🔋 went flat had push last bit of my ride the e8000 motor has lot drag in motor and 24 kg to ride with no power in not nice ride
Would results be different if you rode ebike first
Nice pumpkin 🎃 bro 😁😜
Need review of new rocky mountain 😁😁😁😁😁🚵♂️🚵♂️🚵♂️🚵♂️🚵♂️🚵♂️
I have mixed feelings about eebs.
Ummm why use times at all for this comparison? Especially over such short little runs. (Actually the cynic in me suspects exactly why you use times and over such tiny runs)
Why not use power? That is what matters, how much extra effort the rider must put in to lug all that extra dead weight. Either try to keep the power the same and compare times or go for fastest time and see how different the riders output was. "Perceived Effort" can go suck a bucket of D's for all it's worth :o) All your BPM tells me is that you are fit and that should come as a surprise to no one.
Even with such small runs rather then "seconds faster" it might have been better to express the deficit as a percentage. No one goes out for a 10 min ride at a park then calls it a day. The 33 seconds difference sounds pretty tame but when you also realize that's half a minuet per lap lugging almost 7 kilos extra that ADDS up REAL fast over a days worth of riding. Your liner extrapolation of 3.5mins over an hour raises an eye brow very curious as to how you came to that figure. People don't predictably discharge like batteries, if that was the case you would never have to worry about "bonking" as you would feel it coming long before it hit you.
Go out there and shred for an hour, run your "experiment" in real world conditions on one bike gathering your important data. Rest up and do it all again on the other bike being sure to record power.
Chris was just getting a taster...i love your hour shred idea, we'll do it. Maybe three or four even
If the video quality doesn't get you, the fooking Thunderbird hand gestures will...
speed is kmh
Was the battery fully charged or empty, surely if the battery was full the bike will weigh more than if it was empty? 🤯
LOL
Now that's funny!
was this a serious question?
You had a water bottle on the E-Bike, but didn't on the acoustic. Test immediately invalid.
...omg...'1 🧐
These comparisons are useless when add a person
the chain tho on the e-mtb *cringe*
To me this was a pointless exercise…. Yes keep the motor of on the flat sections and downhill if need be but use the motor on the climbs as exactly what it’s designed for 🤷♂️
Christ it was a bike of fun, lighten up
You can't how ever you try make pedalling an ebike with the motor off sound like it's not that bad...
It's ruddy horrendous !!!
Unless you have an expensive super light eeb you are simply just going to damage your lungs by over inflating them and causing unnecessary shredding of your leg muscles.
For the general population who still ride mid priced full fat heavyweights, the difference between your bossnut and you lifeless E-Tank is going to massive.
You would say probably, don't dilly dally and get yourselves a superlight eeb....
I would say, don't forget your multi tool and spare battery.
Lol
lazy rider not pushing the limits on heavy emtb. scores should be different
E bikes...bikes for folks physically challenged and the over 80 year olds...
get yourself some good fitness and you'll see you don't need a motor to ride a mountain bike. not to mention the health benefits. no impact on the environment and of course being one with nature. It aren't that hard mate! look at your heart rate on these tests you got a good workout, now turn on the motor, not much of a work out, I get it you want to eat your burger and ride a mountain bike but dude it aren't that hard, no motor required. unless of course you have a disability or are old I get that.