Pilot #1 was messing up left and right, literally. Pilot #2 was correct in wanting to maintain full ahead but pilot #1 immediately switched the command to half ahead which didn't allow enough water to pass by the rudder causing the ship to lose steerage. Total breakdown between the two pilots. If pilot #2 would have taken charge this would never have happened.
It seem the plots never had the ship under control once they had exited the bend in the river.should have given the helmsman a course to steer and let him steady her up,instead of individual helm orders
" The accident occurred at approximately 09:35 Central Standard Time on January 23, 2010 in the Sabine-Neches Canal, Port of Port Arthur, Port Arthur, Texas." I don't understand why the NTSB would call this an accident. Every speed correction, every course correction, every helm command was done by intent. This was incompetence and negligence.
the ntsb sticks to neutral language as much as possible there is a feeling among pilots that the ntsb is out to get them, and this sentiment is counterproductive all round
Is it normal for a large vessel to veer so much between the edges of the canal in such passages? This maybe a stupid question but I know nothing about commanding a ship.
Aside from all the action, did I hear the narrator say that the tanker hit the starboard quarter of the moored freighter? From what I saw it hit the starboard bow, not the quarter. Glad I wasn't on the wheel that day though. I was at the wheel of a Shell tanker, the 'Vertagus' going through the Suez canal and, in contrast to these pilots, I had one with me on the bridge plus the captain. The pilot was the soul of calm while I was rigid with fear because of the constant toing and froing of little rowing boats back and forth before us. They disappeared from my view under the bow for what seemed like ages, seemingly unconcerned at their apparent, to me, danger. Of course, I was hundreds of feet back from the bow near the stern and my view ahead was probably hundreds of yards beyond it, so no danger. But if that unnerved me, I would have been a dribbling wreck in this situation.
Every one of these ship collision tracks on the NTSB channel seem to boil down to 'the Pilot couldn't drive and hit something'. Is it that hard to not ram your thousands-of-tons ship into obstructions?
@@Weshopwizard so you are making the case to not make such drastic course changes, or woudl they have hit something else if they hand steered so hard. I just dont know enough about ships to understand what the heck they were doing lol
is so much side to side movement common/normal? I have no real knowledge of ships, but there was a similar accident video on the same channel. Is it really that hard to get out of
I have very limited experience, but you're right. Once you start swinging back and forth like that and overcompensate to right the vessel it's a pain the ass to get the ship to go straight. If you're good, or competent that sort of thing shouldn't happen.
@@Tsar_NicholasIII all they needed to do was slow down .. and then stop, I know it takes time on a ship but those full to starboard and full to port commands were stupid.
The Eagle Otome's incompetent officers had their ship staggering like a drunk man trying to walk a straight line in order to pass a police sobriety test, but weaving from side to side and failing. How do such wretches even get a job commanding a ship? It is a very dangerous world out there, with such miserable idiots being mistakenly given control of things.
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Pilot #1 was messing up left and right, literally. Pilot #2 was correct in wanting to maintain full ahead but pilot #1 immediately switched the command to half ahead which didn't allow enough water to pass by the rudder causing the ship to lose steerage. Total breakdown between the two pilots. If pilot #2 would have taken charge this would never have happened.
Some rather aggressive moves on that rudder.
yeah, full speed ahead too lol
It is hard to fix stupid. The Otome was never on a stable course.
looking good Otome....FULL AHEAD! RAMMING SPEED!
I lightered the Otome after this collision. It was loaded with sour crude from Exxon, high in H2S .
That olmeca crude was smelly stuff.
It seem the plots never had the ship under control once they had exited the bend in the river.should have given the helmsman a course to steer and let him steady her up,instead of individual helm orders
As long as we're letting "anybody" try steering a ship, can I try ?
" The accident occurred at approximately 09:35 Central Standard Time on January 23, 2010 in the Sabine-Neches Canal, Port of Port Arthur, Port Arthur, Texas."
I don't understand why the NTSB would call this an accident. Every speed correction, every course correction, every helm command was done by intent. This was incompetence and negligence.
the ntsb sticks to neutral language as much as possible
there is a feeling among pilots that the ntsb is out to get them, and this sentiment is counterproductive all round
That's called ping ponging due to late counter steering the shear, and once it starts it's hard to get in front of it once you are behind.
Is it normal for a large vessel to veer so much between the edges of the canal in such passages?
This maybe a stupid question but I know nothing about commanding a ship.
Aside from all the action, did I hear the narrator say that the tanker hit the starboard quarter of the moored freighter? From what I saw it hit the starboard bow, not the quarter. Glad I wasn't on the wheel that day though. I was at the wheel of a Shell tanker, the 'Vertagus' going through the Suez canal and, in contrast to these pilots, I had one with me on the bridge plus the captain. The pilot was the soul of calm while I was rigid with fear because of the constant toing and froing of little rowing boats back and forth before us. They disappeared from my view under the bow for what seemed like ages, seemingly unconcerned at their apparent, to me, danger. Of course, I was hundreds of feet back from the bow near the stern and my view ahead was probably hundreds of yards beyond it, so no danger. But if that unnerved me, I would have been a dribbling wreck in this situation.
Every one of these ship collision tracks on the NTSB channel seem to boil down to 'the Pilot couldn't drive and hit something'. Is it that hard to not ram your thousands-of-tons ship into obstructions?
Yes, it is that hard. So you need proper training, but also good concentration and discipline.
That’s a really tight stretch of water and the currents are really strong.
@@Weshopwizard so you are making the case to not make such drastic course changes, or woudl they have hit something else if they hand steered so hard. I just dont know enough about ships to understand what the heck they were doing lol
It's harder than driving a car, and literally thousands of people manage to mess that up every day.
@@nnelg8139 Best. Explanation. Ever.
They should have front wheel or 4 wheel drive.
is so much side to side movement common/normal? I have no real knowledge of ships, but there was a similar accident video on the same channel. Is it really that hard to get out of
I have very limited experience, but you're right. Once you start swinging back and forth like that and overcompensate to right the vessel it's a pain the ass to get the ship to go straight. If you're good, or competent that sort of thing shouldn't happen.
@@Tsar_NicholasIII all they needed to do was slow down .. and then stop, I know it takes time on a ship but those full to starboard and full to port commands were stupid.
He got a massive oil tanker into a tankslapper. What is this I don't even.
No bow thrusters?
The Eagle Otome's incompetent officers had their ship staggering like a drunk man trying to walk a straight line in order to pass a police sobriety test, but weaving from side to side and failing. How do such wretches even get a job commanding a ship? It is a very dangerous world out there, with such miserable idiots being mistakenly given control of things.
Why did Eagle Otome drift into Dixie's lane? Currents?
Shear, the whole ship kinda slips sideways because of the turn, they didn’t counter it fast enough or well enough and basically lost control
This guy should be a truck driver.
Amateur pilots.