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I think the phrase: "Do not attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity." Applies here. As far as I am aware, there's been no money gathering schemes and what they have been "baiting" people with isn't enticing enough to count as a bait amd switch in my eyes. I think they found some success, amd then had no idea what to do from there. It could also be that the actual dev team is where the fraud(s) are, and the rest of the team just OKs whatever half-assed promotion videos the devs fake.
My favorite part of this video was them saying: "this mobile game studio has backed us and checked the engine every step of the way" Because mobile game companies are liked and trusted by anyone lmao
One thing you missed in research- even before the first delay when we just had the gorgeous first trailer and people were hyping it up - there were videos posted on YT - from several actual industry 3d gfx artists - who claimed the footage did not appear to be real time, but pregenerated 3d - from what they knew of how 3d engines work and artifacts etc they'd expect to see in the footage. If i remember they go through it pointing out all the things that looked sus to them that didnt look right for real time game engine gfx. So even before there was a delay, several people who should know (2-3 industrry veterans) were calling the video into doubt.
This comment should have more likes. I completely forgot about this but I remember watching videos where they broke down the "gameplay" footage. I'd give you another like just for typing that all out lol
As an actual game developer, that is partially false. Not saying the game isnt fake, and its not obvious, Heres an analysis of the the 1 year old The Day Before - Official Release Date Trailer, as an example, note that timelinks go to that video, not this one. Raytracing is used instead of the usual tricks inside a normal renderer, when generating footage elsewhere, RT does NOT have some "sharper graphics" BS, but rather the normal tricks used to render shadows/reflections are inconsistent, and sometimes just give up in places where RT gets it right. Even though its easy to trick even very competent users, if your good at it, this isnt one of those cases. At 0:28, Lightmaps are used for this scene. Lightmaps are pre-generated shadows for a scene, which dont update with other objects. Since they dont update as things go, the guys dont cast a clear shadow onto the floor, unlike everything else on the scene, just a slight blurry splotch, but not quite floating (why theres any shadow to begin with is complicated). Also, they forgot to remove a dumbell while generating them, so theres a random black splotch on the floor behind the guy to the left. How humiliating. Lightmaps being used also implies this scene was exclusively made just for show, as no sane man would ever generate so much data for a massive open world. Usually the air ducts would reflect something, with the power of screen space reflections, which i will get back to, but reflections arent present period. I do not know why. At 0:31, SSR properly took over, reflecting things on the stairs and... completely giving up near the corner. This would not happen in a raytracer. You can also see the orange things in the background do not cast any light. This also would not happen in a raytracer, as any would re-cast light onto other objects, much like real life. This is called global illumination, which is rare in games, but a decade old in animation. You can also see the light on the back left wall is consistently blurry, which raytracers also do not do, they shoot rays out from the light source, creating a sharp contact, and blurring out into nothing. Touch your wall and look at the shadows for a solid example of this. At 0:41, another static light scene. Same... nondescript shadows. Thus, this can be assumed fake. At 1:07, you can see why they are called screen space reflections. They only reflect on whats on screen. The ceiling does not show, with a clear, moving cutoff on the floor. You can also see the flashlight behaves more like a horror game, instead of lighting up the whole room, like they actually would (global illumination) At 2:10, More SSR-vanishing, on the floor. --BONUS Did you notice all the glass reflects nothing, ever? If you questioned why some of the scenes look very blue, especially during 0:54, SSR tries to reflect something, but sees nothing or just cant do anything, so it reflects the sky by default. Through the walls. No, we dont have a replacement yet, coming soonish maybe sometime in the next 4 or so years though. Possibly.
I've watched enough Matt Muscles to know switching engine is like rebuilding a structure's foundation while you've already completed a lot, but not completed, a large building. Meaning, it's extremely hard and time consuming. Flippantly saying you're switching engines, an the game is coming later this year is nearly impossible. It would delay a game for years. Therefore, I think it's absolutely a scam.
@@TheNightman. if your project is badly managed to the point it's undistinguishable from a scam, yeah you're in a bad spot. Not only are people justified in calling it a scam, but the fact the creators need to clarify makes it a terrible thing for PR.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky this. Show dont tell. Even if it's legit it looks like derivative trash weve seen a dozen times and even then it's by a company with a history of bailing on products.
27:00 That is exactly how trademarks work. You register your mark or logo in a selected list of genres, and if Nintendo hasn't registered "Pokemon" under the "food and drinks" category, they can't do anything to prevent you from opening a restaurant with that name. Doesn't mean you can use their logo or characters, though.
The whole trademark thing reminded me of WarZ when that game was released. Never got the trademark, and when the WarZ movie came out, the movie registered the video game trademark, and the existing unrelated WarZ game had to change their name to infestation. But until then, they had no issues with the existing book trademark.
Correct, logo's and characters are covered under copyright. I don't know why, but the way he clowns them as "not having a legal team" "they don't know how to navigate trademark" and then gives a bad example and writes them off, bothers me. A simple google search could have told him that's how trademarks work.
Thank you. I was very confused he thought this. Its how places like Home Depot have even trademarked their orange color. As long as you aren't using that orange in that same market you're fine.
Right.. funny enough, we used to have a brick and mortar poke restaurant here in town called PokeStop (at the height of the Pokemon go craze) .. they were open for a few years, and I'm pretty sure COVID took them out, not Nintendo
Whether or not you think The Day Before is a scam(despite the numerous red flags), the developer Fntastic has a past history or releasing cash grab games where they over-promised an experience that they under-delivered on, and quickly abandoned the games afterwards. It’s sad that all these youtubers aren’t talking about that. The only person I saw talk about the dev’s past history was Force Gaming.
i did a game development summer camp for 6ish years, it was all super basic construct 2 stuff, and it functioned as a week long game jam but for kids and teens, and one of the FIRST things we did every single year was check to make sure the name of our game was available. insane.
What’s odder is that they didn’t have any means to receive money from consumers, so the only thing they would receive is player interest and hype, I have no idea why they would lie about a game if they weren’t profiting from it (excluding interest)
@@brenolk4642 millions clicking wishlist makes for great leverage when you’re going to epic asking for a deal. This is how I see it went down. Steam actually helped by taking down. Allowing them to fabricate these cover stories and press on with the real thing instead of letting them release a broken sandbox. They must be SCRAMBLING to get this into a game by November, to say that was always the plan.
I’m a little embarrassed to say that I find the reports on this saga really entertaining. More than some games. Nah, I’m not embarrassed. All the convolutions, their weird promo talking-heads, it’s all fascinating, like performance art.
27:00 actually that is exactly how it works, you can protect a trade mark for a field. So if you protect YongYea for only the field of clothes, in theory a third party could open a YongYea restaurant without breaching your trade mark. The thing is that Pokemon probably protected the trademark in all the fields. And in the case at hand, since the app is a software, probably (not sure) they can cover videogames with their trademark.
@@finnmanuel-miranda2154 Much as a number of corporations would Love you to believe it was (so that their nonsenseical and extortionate false copyright clames would look less morally reprehensible. They keep insisting that they are legally required to go after such things to keep the copyright. This is entirely false with regards to copyright, but trademark law Does have that requirement. Which makes sense, given it's modern form has it's origin as the government basically conning businesses into paying for the enforcement of consumer protection measures by way of grafting them onto an old traditional system for protecting a craftsman's repuation (and incidentally act as advertising and aid in recordkeeping at the same time)).
@@finnmanuel-miranda2154 There are other details like broad recognition of a trademark, or the case of the MSKCC who could not call a protein Pokemon since it was linked to cancer and Pokemon Company wanted to avoid headlines such as 'pokemon causes cancer', but we don't want to go too deep.
That's especially true for trademarks that are... Just normal phrases. Typically trademark applications for common phrases will be rejected outright if they aren't appropriately limited in scope. Something like "Pokemon", being a made-up word, is much easier to get a wide-ranging trademark for than something like "The Day Before". Without looking into it, I'm guessing what's going on here is that the calendar app managed to get a trademark for some slightly-too-broad category like "software", and is now trying to rent seek from Fntastic (or however it's spelled). Not that the latter seem like they're great, but the calendar app dev definitely seems a bit scummy too here.
The big thing that Yong didnt mention is their track record. If you look into their past games, there is nothing about Fntastic that instills confidence in their studio. They could barely handle barely functional indie games with a very small scope, let alone a large open world MMO.
All of their previous games have been dropped. There is no reason to believe they will not abandon this as well. From what I hear they make it impossible for the devs to get any work done as the bosses are constantly telling them to stop what they are doing and work on something else. I would stay away from the game even if it comes out and has positive reviews there is no telling when they could pull the plug for no good reason and leave people robbed of their money.
I just prepare myself for anything to be a scam these days if it's not by an official dev/studio we know. Even then, we still feel scammed many times in the modern gaming era
If you buy a game and it has to download a day 1 patch, then the idea that the game was finished in time for launch, is a scam. So, you must be skeptical of EVERYTHING, and do not get too attached to a project because it might go tits up no matter who makes it. See: Mass Effect: Andromeda We Happy Few No Man's Sky (at launch, they did redeem themselves in time) Anthem. Forspoken Diablo Immortal Cyberpunk 2077. ...and many many more. Just hold onto your coins for a few days after launch, make sure it isn't a raging dumpster fire and you will experience far less disappointment.
@@risto4216 that was a better explanation of what I wanted to say. I call that corporate, because this pattern is mostly seen in games from huge corporations who only care for what makes money, not what makes a great game. Both is possible, but only one is cheap
I think this is one of those situations where it wasn't meant to/didn't start as a scam, but it most definitely is one. The Propnight situation definitely solidified it as a scam. Add to that the complete idiocy of the trademark situation means that they never intended to actually finish it.
But, propnight are actually did became a game. So i think calling that as a scam felt kinda wrong though in a way (unless if i'm missing out your point here, then i apologize and feel free to correct me if i do 🙏) This one though? It wont ever gonna see a daylight for an eternity kek 🤣
There was another video about the alleged scam. The theory was that the publisher was using vaporware as a way to advertise their mobile games. They tell their supporters that they can help support the development of "The Day Before" by purchasing the new mobile game they just released.
It's actually: They asked me if I knew about Theoretical Physics, and I said that I had a 'theoretical' degree in physics, and they said Welcome Aboard.
Yea the fact that IGN didn't talked about it clearly shows that they definitely received that $$$ paycheck under the table from Fnstatic for putting their trailers on there 🤣
You know what: If they want to prove that there's actually something there, they should show themselves and do a live-stream while playing the game, under the guise of "in development" of course, and then whatever happens happens. They should just make it a live demonstration and Q&A kind of thing, have a few key developers there, and show their good will to gain the public's good will. - I mean, it shouldn't be that hard and it would probably overload the servers for that stream. - Now is the time to be transparent.
Pretty sure when they revealed it, it was just a vertical slice to see if it blows up and if people are interested in that concept and when it did they tried to make it work but are having problems delivering what they showed in the first place, that's what i think
Considering their previous games are different and all but abandoned. And the fact that their workforce is volunteers I smell something dodgy at FNTastic
A vertical slice is not just window dressing, its more like a proof of concept, it should be something tangible that contains gameplay elements. Stuff that can be build on top of, not something you throw away afterwards and start from scratch. If they where able to put so much good looking stuff into their vertical slice, why are they so incompetent in producing an actual product? Was the "vertical slice" outsourced? Then is it a vertical slice or marketing material? Its sus and smells like a deliberate attempt of trickery.
That actually is how trademark works. That's why you see products with the same name in different categories all the time (see Dove chocolate and Dove soap). However, when a trademark is ubiquitious and highly identifiable as a mark of the owner (and especially if it is abstract), it can transcend its category. The Pokemon example would likely work as Pokemon is an abstract name that is well known in popular culture. A restaurant called Pokemon would likely lose a trademark challenge. However, a restaurant named The Day Before would likely be fine as that mark is certainly not extremely well known and it's not abstract. You can look up what category a trademark is filed in in the TESS database for the US.
The only real surprising thing about this was the fact that the trademark dispute was actually real and not some bullshit made up by the devs to make their plight sound more courageous.
I've been following this game for a while and I too was skeptical immediately. And when they delayed the game over a name, I physically rolled my eyes back in sheer annoyance.
Honestly, if that happened to a company I worked for and we had a real product, I'd tell them to release the game under a different name and sort it out later, digital first, it wouldn't be worth fighting a troll for the name.
I’ve honestly long been burnt out on the zombie survival genre but I get why it still appeals to people. My beef is that the market is so saturated with approximations of this exact kind of game in so many forms that people are spoiled for choice to the point that I think it’s wild this game garnered any positive traction from the jump.
I also think it's a scam, but... what are they scamming? There is no kickstarter, fundraising, pre orders. What is this all about. What's in their heads.
@@SenmiMsS investors probably? It's entirely possible that they try to get interest to get investors to fund an actual game but are waaay in over their heads.
Way to go. You've destroyed what the word "scam" means. Internet. Things that have issues are not scams unless they are fraudulently taking people's money. Which isn't happening here. The word scam is so misused nowadays that real scams don't get their proper exposure.
@@ColombianThunder They already have a publisher. There are no investors to scam. People are way over complicating things. What we have here is a new development studio which got in over its head. Over time they found out that they could not release a product of the quality they initially demonstrated and they've been struggling to meet that quality without the experience or resources to do that.
It's both hilarious and frustrating seeing Fntastic whine so hard about people calling them out, like a temperamental child screaming when you don't believe their BS stories to justify/hide breaking something, or many things in this case
I work for a video game store and had someone call the store asking about this game. At the time I had no idea what they were talking about and thought they were looking for Days Gone. 😅
Actually trademark DOES work that way it only applies to the areas you do business in usually- hence the apple music label thats unrelated to Apple who make phones etc. There are exceptions tho- for things like unique made up words. You could NOT have a Pokemon resteraunt trademark even tho its a totally different type of business because A) Its such a globally well known brand and B) because its a made up unique word. The day before itsnt a unique word- it doesnt even have spaces in it in the app name- and its not in the same catagory- so i DO think the day before game company would win this one of they went to court over it.
OK the word apple is a common word so you cannot really copyright it The creators of Candy Crush Saga tried to copyright the word "saga" but they were unsucessful
@@paradoxzee6834 exactly- and the same with all the words in the day before. Its even a commonly said word sequence. You'd never get a universal copywrite on that- only within a specific area of business.
I'm going with 'scam'. My paranoid brain even thinks they picked the name deliberately so there would be a trademark dispute somewhere down the line and they can then go 'whoops, we tried our best, can't release' and it will all come crashing down.
Honestly, I'm starting to think there's a third game about to join the ranks here with "Little Devil Inside" It was a small kickstarter game that had a bunch of gameplay footage shown during Playstation's State of Play a while back. They've delayed the game a shit load of times and have been radio silent ever since. Even their Kickstarter page has been inactive for months, maybe even a year or so now.
Trademark is business specific, so they are correct on that point. To protect their trademark they would need to prove how a consumer could mistake the game for their app
the same example was : many youtubers had said : STARFIELD could not release before the last day of july . other TH-camrs disagree and yell : ALL OF YOU ARE HATER !!! STARFIELD 100% WILL NOT DELAY AGAIN ................... AFTER the release day was set to SEP ............ THOSE TH-camrs DISAPPEARED =0=
This is so bizarre. I feel like the developer looked at Star citizen and said ‘Yes! This is the business model we want’ it’s just a pretty asset being used to fish for funds
No news on this but The Stomping Land (you know that game announced like 7 years ago for the solo dev to disappear) well the dev reappeared and is now actively developing the game he promised 7 years ago. Sounds like that is less a scan then this!
The USPTO does in fact categorize trademarks into 45 different classes. The trademark is only protected depending on which class the owner has filed in. Companies like Nintendo will cover the entire list of 45 when dealing with massive IP like Pokemon.
and I think Yongyea missed the part when The Day Before devs sending out their "raw gaming footage", many suspecting that just scripted animation, even other game devs think so.
I think they did 2 things wrong: 1. if it's not real gameplay, then say so 2. if you delay the game then announce it way before the release they didn't bother to do to both apparently
When they finally showed the gameplay trailer I recognized most if not all of the assets in the game being from the asset store. Sole Food Market? Willow's? Both I've seen in a building model pack. The ambulance? Seen that same model and texture in a vehicle model pack.
I like how in those apocalypse world all light still work. Company will cut you off as soon as you miss a payment. Central will shut down automatically if absence of human supervision. But 3 month into apocalypse everyone left the light on, and electricity is still running.
Because of social media and the whole "participation trophy generation" thing, the world is experiencing an epidemic of narcissistic personality disorder. The reason the average person nowadays never learns from the mistakes of others is because they're a narcissist who looks at the failures of others and thinks "But I'm smarter than that. That won't happen to me. I'll actually succeed, even though literally everyone else failed."
@@DeadPixel1105 I never really considered the negative impact of social media influencing the indie game industry, but the actual symptoms seem no different than any other "fake it till you make it" Instagram account. Thank you, that was some great insight.
Favourite part was when they put out messages to a bunch of streamers about a big announcement after their initial trailer stream failed (it was around 7 hours of copyright free music and then crashed). The big announcement? A game called Prop Night.
@@Drstrange3000 bro, no cap, i had that written in the comment but i deleted it because i didnt want the comment too long. I watched a video on how it's easy to spot a game using unreal engine 5. Its nice nonetheless, but every game is going to look like Hogwarts Legacy (not with wizards and shit)
Yamaha motorcycles, Yamaha motors (motorboat, racecar engines etc.), Yamaha electronics (amplifiers etc.) and Yamaha music are all owned by same company, Yamaha. Speaks how versatile and how big a company can be, I guess.
Technically yes, but only to their own detriment. Not taking public funding means that at worst? Their publisher gets fucked over and then fucks *them* over in court and everyone associated with the project never gets to show their face in the industry again. It could very well be a scam, but to general consumers it's more a wild goose chase than a proper scam. But hey, we'll get more videos in 8 months when they delay for another year! That's gotta count for something.
Yong forget to include Fntastic’s prior track record; like how Prop Night was just released out of the blue during this game’s development. If this game ever actually comes out, it will guaranteed be a Watch Dogs situation all over again but even worse.
Hey Yong, great video, but you missed an important piece of this story. Fntastic did release a game called Propnight which is essentially a poor man's Dead by Daylight game but they used The Day Before to give this unknown game attention as they shadow dropped it.
The biggest, absolutely biggest red flag is the Engine change. You can't just "move" a game from one engine to another and press a button for it to be done. One month before the game releases they _switch engine_ that's like saying: "Oh yeah, I built this house here, but I didn't like the plot so I bought a new plot and now I'm building my house there instead, don't worry! All the furnitures are still there and I've already made the room layout, it'll be done in nine months, promise!" Absolutely incredible.
It’d be pretty funny if an actual game came out, everyone forgot about it by then, and we’d only see it brought up way past its launch. Purely ironic by the fact that it was the most wishlisted.
So, the legal defense that “The Day Before” is an app and not a video game actually might hold water. The whole point of trademark is to avoid brand confusion. Since the calendar app would have trouble being confused for a zombie video game they may both be able to use the name. As long as the video game never uploads to the App Store that the calendar app is on.
I'm rather surprised you didn't go into the background for the developers at all, being that their poor track record is one of the biggest causes for concern that people have.
Haven't really cared much about marketing after the first Watch Dogs gameplay trailer. Now I just hear about a game's annoucement and what genre it is (Because games these days tend to fail to surprise or innovate anyway) And then I watch a bunch of reviews when it finally comes out. Then I'll either buy or not buy.
I agree its not a scam as they didn't crowdfund. I mean at this point monetary wise they probably have to release somthing as I bet that they have investors looking to make their money back so as not to get sued to oblivion.
I think the point of contention, that I'm not sure if it's true but I read it somewhere, is that they released smaller shitty mobile games saying that the purchase of that game would directly fund development of this game. Now that does sound like a scam to me.
If there is a game and it did launch, it would probably be crippled by the massive amount of players flooding into the servers due to a lack of beta testing on a mmo as they called it.
Having the huge city, then the outdoors area... then the huge detailed mall, all without them specifying if this was all suppose to be the same map or different "levels" to put it simply, is what tips me off. We have no idea what the scale is suppose to be, and the way those early city trailers looked incredibly detailed, made having a full city being that polish hard to believe.
What's odd about this whole situation is that many people are figuring out their end goal. It is not pre-ordered otherwise they could have grabbed people's money and run away with it. Like are they doing this for attention? Create a spectacle to just have outlets and groups talk about them? Just like Abandonded, we are all confused as to why they are doing this in the first place. Why create an idea of a game but never release it? Why show anything?
Basically. You know what's funny? A lot of people are feeling so high and mighty, looking down on people who WISHLISTED the game as if wishlisting a game is somehow a very bad decision... You do not pay a cent wishlisting a game :facepalm:
@@cherdnad2630 I can careless about this game. I understand people who are hyped for something and don’t get the game they were advertised but If no one spent a dime for this or even preordered it then it isn’t a scam in my eyes. If it’s just one big troll and everyone who wish listed got bamboozled then welcome to the internet my man. It is what it is
@@TorIverWilhelmsen I’m talking on behalf of fans. Investors know the risk into putting money into a game. Risk of making no money or profiting. Fans can’t profit, only can purchase product. Whether they are satisfied or not is up to them. I rest my case..
Didn't people also discover and point out that some of the in-game animations and objects (cars, trucks, weapons, etc) were all stock and unchanged assets?
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I think the phrase: "Do not attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity." Applies here. As far as I am aware, there's been no money gathering schemes and what they have been "baiting" people with isn't enticing enough to count as a bait amd switch in my eyes. I think they found some success, amd then had no idea what to do from there. It could also be that the actual dev team is where the fraud(s) are, and the rest of the team just OKs whatever half-assed promotion videos the devs fake.
My favorite part of this video was them saying: "this mobile game studio has backed us and checked the engine every step of the way"
Because mobile game companies are liked and trusted by anyone lmao
Sorry bro. You were still a huge part of that hype for Abandoned
There's simply no bigger condemnation of a product than the developers having to outright say its not a scam.
@@TheNightman. Sometimes.
guys its not a scam we swear... we only stole assets and ideas from other games. everyone does that :D
gamers: yeah sure... idiots.
@@miciso666 I think they just bought the assets , not defending them just putting it out that much of these assets can be bought for little money.
@@miciso666 Chinese moments
Devs never charged anyone so its technically not a scam
One thing you missed in research- even before the first delay when we just had the gorgeous first trailer and people were hyping it up - there were videos posted on YT - from several actual industry 3d gfx artists - who claimed the footage did not appear to be real time, but pregenerated 3d - from what they knew of how 3d engines work and artifacts etc they'd expect to see in the footage.
If i remember they go through it pointing out all the things that looked sus to them that didnt look right for real time game engine gfx.
So even before there was a delay, several people who should know (2-3 industrry veterans) were calling the video into doubt.
Most currentgame trailer are pre render.
Yikes
This comment should have more likes. I completely forgot about this but I remember watching videos where they broke down the "gameplay" footage. I'd give you another like just for typing that all out lol
You got a link of those 3d artists reviews? Interested to see their analysis of the trailers
As an actual game developer, that is partially false. Not saying the game isnt fake, and its not obvious, Heres an analysis of the the 1 year old The Day Before - Official Release Date Trailer, as an example, note that timelinks go to that video, not this one.
Raytracing is used instead of the usual tricks inside a normal renderer, when generating footage elsewhere, RT does NOT have some "sharper graphics" BS, but rather the normal tricks used to render shadows/reflections are inconsistent, and sometimes just give up in places where RT gets it right. Even though its easy to trick even very competent users, if your good at it, this isnt one of those cases.
At 0:28, Lightmaps are used for this scene. Lightmaps are pre-generated shadows for a scene, which dont update with other objects. Since they dont update as things go, the guys dont cast a clear shadow onto the floor, unlike everything else on the scene, just a slight blurry splotch, but not quite floating (why theres any shadow to begin with is complicated). Also, they forgot to remove a dumbell while generating them, so theres a random black splotch on the floor behind the guy to the left. How humiliating. Lightmaps being used also implies this scene was exclusively made just for show, as no sane man would ever generate so much data for a massive open world. Usually the air ducts would reflect something, with the power of screen space reflections, which i will get back to, but reflections arent present period. I do not know why.
At 0:31, SSR properly took over, reflecting things on the stairs and... completely giving up near the corner. This would not happen in a raytracer. You can also see the orange things in the background do not cast any light. This also would not happen in a raytracer, as any would re-cast light onto other objects, much like real life. This is called global illumination, which is rare in games, but a decade old in animation. You can also see the light on the back left wall is consistently blurry, which raytracers also do not do, they shoot rays out from the light source, creating a sharp contact, and blurring out into nothing. Touch your wall and look at the shadows for a solid example of this.
At 0:41, another static light scene. Same... nondescript shadows. Thus, this can be assumed fake.
At 1:07, you can see why they are called screen space reflections. They only reflect on whats on screen. The ceiling does not show, with a clear, moving cutoff on the floor. You can also see the flashlight behaves more like a horror game, instead of lighting up the whole room, like they actually would (global illumination)
At 2:10, More SSR-vanishing, on the floor.
--BONUS
Did you notice all the glass reflects nothing, ever?
If you questioned why some of the scenes look very blue, especially during 0:54, SSR tries to reflect something, but sees nothing or just cant do anything, so it reflects the sky by default. Through the walls. No, we dont have a replacement yet, coming soonish maybe sometime in the next 4 or so years though. Possibly.
I've watched enough Matt Muscles to know switching engine is like rebuilding a structure's foundation while you've already completed a lot, but not completed, a large building. Meaning, it's extremely hard and time consuming. Flippantly saying you're switching engines, an the game is coming later this year is nearly impossible. It would delay a game for years. Therefore, I think it's absolutely a scam.
This should be pinned
Look at Kingdom Hearts 3 for example. They switched to Unreal Engine, and as a result, the game had to be made from scratch again
What that statement really meant was that they never had a game.
Don't forget Duke Nukem Forever and the copious amount of engine switches. Thanks, Matt.
@@SpideyfanX yep! But KH was given the right time to be remade. This thing though? Ooh boy
Fans: "So, are going to ever be able to see this game?"
Dev: "Let us begin with the history of the word volunteer"
The Day Before devs pulling a Chronicles of Elyria of evading the questions lol
OW the EDGE
If you have to say "it isn't a scam", you've already lost.
Real devs would have proved it, not said it.
It might not be a scam though
@@TheNightman. If you have to say it's bullshit, you've already lost.
@@TheNightman. if your project is badly managed to the point it's undistinguishable from a scam, yeah you're in a bad spot. Not only are people justified in calling it a scam, but the fact the creators need to clarify makes it a terrible thing for PR.
@@EnsignRedshirtRicky this. Show dont tell.
Even if it's legit it looks like derivative trash weve seen a dozen times and even then it's by a company with a history of bailing on products.
27:00 That is exactly how trademarks work. You register your mark or logo in a selected list of genres, and if Nintendo hasn't registered "Pokemon" under the "food and drinks" category, they can't do anything to prevent you from opening a restaurant with that name. Doesn't mean you can use their logo or characters, though.
The whole trademark thing reminded me of WarZ when that game was released. Never got the trademark, and when the WarZ movie came out, the movie registered the video game trademark, and the existing unrelated WarZ game had to change their name to infestation. But until then, they had no issues with the existing book trademark.
Correct, logo's and characters are covered under copyright. I don't know why, but the way he clowns them as "not having a legal team" "they don't know how to navigate trademark" and then gives a bad example and writes them off, bothers me. A simple google search could have told him that's how trademarks work.
Thank you. I was very confused he thought this. Its how places like Home Depot have even trademarked their orange color. As long as you aren't using that orange in that same market you're fine.
Yeah, there's a reason Delta airlines and Delta faucets can both exist.
Right.. funny enough, we used to have a brick and mortar poke restaurant here in town called PokeStop (at the height of the Pokemon go craze) .. they were open for a few years, and I'm pretty sure COVID took them out, not Nintendo
Whether or not you think The Day Before is a scam(despite the numerous red flags), the developer Fntastic has a past history or releasing cash grab games where they over-promised an experience that they under-delivered on, and quickly abandoned the games afterwards.
It’s sad that all these youtubers aren’t talking about that. The only person I saw talk about the dev’s past history was Force Gaming.
i did a game development summer camp for 6ish years, it was all super basic construct 2 stuff, and it functioned as a week long game jam but for kids and teens, and one of the FIRST things we did every single year was check to make sure the name of our game was available. insane.
How do you even check something like that?
@@hanskywalker1246 google??? I'm sure there's some database you can search too
Sounds like a small team releasing teasers falsely advertising while phishing for funding. They got it.
They had the funding BEFORE the trailers. And haven't taken any after. So.... what?
What’s odder is that they didn’t have any means to receive money from consumers, so the only thing they would receive is player interest and hype, I have no idea why they would lie about a game if they weren’t profiting from it (excluding interest)
@@brenolk4642 millions clicking wishlist makes for great leverage when you’re going to epic asking for a deal. This is how I see it went down. Steam actually helped by taking down. Allowing them to fabricate these cover stories and press on with the real thing instead of letting them release a broken sandbox. They must be SCRAMBLING to get this into a game by November, to say that was always the plan.
@@6reen6uy like getting a deal from Epic is hard
they are scamming investors for more funds, not consumers.
I can’t wait for Internet Historian to make a video about this game a couple years from now lol.
Highly likely
Crowbat will have a field trip on this one
Ordinarythings voicing a snakeoil selling used cars salesmen of a dev would be hilarious 👌🏼
Let's just hope his video on this game isn't plagiarized lmao
Definitely gonna happen now lol
I’m a little embarrassed to say that I find the reports on this saga really entertaining. More than some games. Nah, I’m not embarrassed. All the convolutions, their weird promo talking-heads, it’s all fascinating, like performance art.
It almost feels like a marketing ploy.
this is all very bizarre isn't it? but in a sort of cool/entertaining way...
@@MoraMorbid because it is, done badly
Why would you be embarrassed? You have nothing to do with the actual situation lol
what
27:00 actually that is exactly how it works, you can protect a trade mark for a field. So if you protect YongYea for only the field of clothes, in theory a third party could open a YongYea restaurant without breaching your trade mark. The thing is that Pokemon probably protected the trademark in all the fields. And in the case at hand, since the app is a software, probably (not sure) they can cover videogames with their trademark.
Thank you. I just pointed this out. Trademark is not the same as copyright.
@@finnmanuel-miranda2154 Much as a number of corporations would Love you to believe it was (so that their nonsenseical and extortionate false copyright clames would look less morally reprehensible. They keep insisting that they are legally required to go after such things to keep the copyright. This is entirely false with regards to copyright, but trademark law Does have that requirement. Which makes sense, given it's modern form has it's origin as the government basically conning businesses into paying for the enforcement of consumer protection measures by way of grafting them onto an old traditional system for protecting a craftsman's repuation (and incidentally act as advertising and aid in recordkeeping at the same time)).
@@finnmanuel-miranda2154 There are other details like broad recognition of a trademark, or the case of the MSKCC who could not call a protein Pokemon since it was linked to cancer and Pokemon Company wanted to avoid headlines such as 'pokemon causes cancer', but we don't want to go too deep.
That's especially true for trademarks that are... Just normal phrases. Typically trademark applications for common phrases will be rejected outright if they aren't appropriately limited in scope. Something like "Pokemon", being a made-up word, is much easier to get a wide-ranging trademark for than something like "The Day Before".
Without looking into it, I'm guessing what's going on here is that the calendar app managed to get a trademark for some slightly-too-broad category like "software", and is now trying to rent seek from Fntastic (or however it's spelled). Not that the latter seem like they're great, but the calendar app dev definitely seems a bit scummy too here.
The big thing that Yong didnt mention is their track record. If you look into their past games, there is nothing about Fntastic that instills confidence in their studio. They could barely handle barely functional indie games with a very small scope, let alone a large open world MMO.
All of their previous games have been dropped. There is no reason to believe they will not abandon this as well. From what I hear they make it impossible for the devs to get any work done as the bosses are constantly telling them to stop what they are doing and work on something else. I would stay away from the game even if it comes out and has positive reviews there is no telling when they could pull the plug for no good reason and leave people robbed of their money.
I just prepare myself for anything to be a scam these days if it's not by an official dev/studio we know. Even then, we still feel scammed many times in the modern gaming era
Let’s be honest though, even official studios scam us with the absolute garbage they’ve been releasing for years now.
If you buy a game and it has to download a day 1 patch, then the idea that the game was finished in time for launch, is a scam.
So, you must be skeptical of EVERYTHING, and do not get too attached to a project because it might go tits up no matter who makes it.
See:
Mass Effect: Andromeda
We Happy Few
No Man's Sky (at launch, they did redeem themselves in time)
Anthem.
Forspoken
Diablo Immortal
Cyberpunk 2077.
...and many many more.
Just hold onto your coins for a few days after launch, make sure it isn't a raging dumpster fire and you will experience far less disappointment.
Buy old games. Better story, actually functional and genuine love for games instead of this corporate bullshit
@@risto4216 that was a better explanation of what I wanted to say. I call that corporate, because this pattern is mostly seen in games from huge corporations who only care for what makes money, not what makes a great game. Both is possible, but only one is cheap
I think this is one of those situations where it wasn't meant to/didn't start as a scam, but it most definitely is one. The Propnight situation definitely solidified it as a scam. Add to that the complete idiocy of the trademark situation means that they never intended to actually finish it.
But, propnight are actually did became a game. So i think calling that as a scam felt kinda wrong though in a way (unless if i'm missing out your point here, then i apologize and feel free to correct me if i do 🙏)
This one though? It wont ever gonna see a daylight for an eternity kek 🤣
what happened with Prop Night? its a good game
If it smells like a scam and looks like a scam...
It's a scam
Then you better believe it's not butter.
it's a duck?
@@SpikeRose Even that was a scam. It was made with 15% butter.
It's a aaa game in 2023
There was another video about the alleged scam. The theory was that the publisher was using vaporware as a way to advertise their mobile games. They tell their supporters that they can help support the development of "The Day Before" by purchasing the new mobile game they just released.
Mr Fantastic: "They asked me if I had a degree in *Game Development.* I said I had a theoretical degree *Game Development."*
It's actually: They asked me if I knew about Theoretical Physics, and I said that I had a 'theoretical' degree in physics, and they said Welcome Aboard.
@@diegojose4173 Close enough.
It's called "the day before" because it's always delayed the day before its supposed to be "released"
The Day Before and Abandoned are twins separated at birth.
If only Ign was a legit outlet and would come out and talk about what they got from the Day Before
Yea the fact that IGN didn't talked about it clearly shows that they definitely received that $$$ paycheck under the table from Fnstatic for putting their trailers on there 🤣
Reviewers only have 2 sources of income. Ads revenue, and brides
@@hijikili2656 Brides..dirty business
@@morradi10000 Especially mail-ordered ones
@@hijikili2656 If they're willing to cover the long-term costs of the brides, I would have my head turned the other way too. 😝
You know what: If they want to prove that there's actually something there, they should show themselves and do a live-stream while playing the game, under the guise of "in development" of course, and then whatever happens happens. They should just make it a live demonstration and Q&A kind of thing, have a few key developers there, and show their good will to gain the public's good will. - I mean, it shouldn't be that hard and it would probably overload the servers for that stream. - Now is the time to be transparent.
Pretty sure when they revealed it, it was just a vertical slice to see if it blows up and if people are interested in that concept and when it did they tried to make it work but are having problems delivering what they showed in the first place, that's what i think
Considering their previous games are different and all but abandoned. And the fact that their workforce is volunteers I smell something dodgy at FNTastic
that's most likely what happened, because same thing happened with ILL
A vertical slice is not just window dressing, its more like a proof of concept, it should be something tangible that contains gameplay elements.
Stuff that can be build on top of, not something you throw away afterwards and start from scratch.
If they where able to put so much good looking stuff into their vertical slice, why are they so incompetent in producing an actual product?
Was the "vertical slice" outsourced? Then is it a vertical slice or marketing material?
Its sus and smells like a deliberate attempt of trickery.
Sounds likeba terrible way to market a game then
@@nullbubble791 not that the two are mutually exclusive possiblities, mind you.
That actually is how trademark works. That's why you see products with the same name in different categories all the time (see Dove chocolate and Dove soap). However, when a trademark is ubiquitious and highly identifiable as a mark of the owner (and especially if it is abstract), it can transcend its category. The Pokemon example would likely work as Pokemon is an abstract name that is well known in popular culture. A restaurant called Pokemon would likely lose a trademark challenge. However, a restaurant named The Day Before would likely be fine as that mark is certainly not extremely well known and it's not abstract. You can look up what category a trademark is filed in in the TESS database for the US.
Today is the day before Resident Evil 4 remake comes out!!!
sweet!
I’m honestly finding the news around these recent games a lot more entertaining than the thought of playing the actual games
I know, im way more invested in the production lore than i ever would be in the game
Same here.
The only real surprising thing about this was the fact that the trademark dispute was actually real and not some bullshit made up by the devs to make their plight sound more courageous.
I've been following this game for a while and I too was skeptical immediately. And when they delayed the game over a name, I physically rolled my eyes back in sheer annoyance.
Thank you for being a smart consumer!!!! Make gamers hold companies accountable 💯💯💯
Honestly, if that happened to a company I worked for and we had a real product, I'd tell them to release the game under a different name and sort it out later, digital first, it wouldn't be worth fighting a troll for the name.
I’ve honestly long been burnt out on the zombie survival genre but I get why it still appeals to people. My beef is that the market is so saturated with approximations of this exact kind of game in so many forms that people are spoiled for choice to the point that I think it’s wild this game garnered any positive traction from the jump.
People don't THINK it's a scam, it just is a scam
I also think it's a scam, but... what are they scamming?
There is no kickstarter, fundraising, pre orders.
What is this all about. What's in their heads.
@@SenmiMsS investors probably? It's entirely possible that they try to get interest to get investors to fund an actual game but are waaay in over their heads.
@@ColombianThunder so like any studio ever lol
Way to go. You've destroyed what the word "scam" means.
Internet. Things that have issues are not scams unless they are fraudulently taking people's money. Which isn't happening here. The word scam is so misused nowadays that real scams don't get their proper exposure.
@@ColombianThunder They already have a publisher. There are no investors to scam.
People are way over complicating things. What we have here is a new development studio which got in over its head. Over time they found out that they could not release a product of the quality they initially demonstrated and they've been struggling to meet that quality without the experience or resources to do that.
It's both hilarious and frustrating seeing Fntastic whine so hard about people calling them out, like a temperamental child screaming when you don't believe their BS stories to justify/hide breaking something, or many things in this case
I work for a video game store and had someone call the store asking about this game. At the time I had no idea what they were talking about and thought they were looking for Days Gone. 😅
Actually trademark DOES work that way it only applies to the areas you do business in usually- hence the apple music label thats unrelated to Apple who make phones etc.
There are exceptions tho- for things like unique made up words. You could NOT have a Pokemon resteraunt trademark even tho its a totally different type of business because A) Its such a globally well known brand and B) because its a made up unique word.
The day before itsnt a unique word- it doesnt even have spaces in it in the app name- and its not in the same catagory- so i DO think the day before game company would win this one of they went to court over it.
OK the word apple is a common word so you cannot really copyright it
The creators of Candy Crush Saga tried to copyright the word "saga" but they were unsucessful
@@paradoxzee6834 exactly- and the same with all the words in the day before. Its even a commonly said word sequence. You'd never get a universal copywrite on that- only within a specific area of business.
I'm going with 'scam'. My paranoid brain even thinks they picked the name deliberately so there would be a trademark dispute somewhere down the line and they can then go 'whoops, we tried our best, can't release' and it will all come crashing down.
you hit the point !!!! ^^ and that is what i believe
Honestly, I'm starting to think there's a third game about to join the ranks here with "Little Devil Inside"
It was a small kickstarter game that had a bunch of gameplay footage shown during Playstation's State of Play a while back. They've delayed the game a shit load of times and have been radio silent ever since. Even their Kickstarter page has been inactive for months, maybe even a year or so now.
Oh, almost forgot about that one.
"So, is this a scam or what?"
Dev : "Nah, we just don't know how to make games."
"Oh, okay."
Trademark is business specific, so they are correct on that point. To protect their trademark they would need to prove how a consumer could mistake the game for their app
The most odd thing is not that it isn't a bait and switch, but the fact that some people will defend it in the comments and say that it isn't.
the one who defend this scam is their intern, its one of their job
@@KABLAMMATS *volunteers lol
the same example was : many youtubers had said : STARFIELD could not release before the last day of july . other TH-camrs disagree and yell : ALL OF YOU ARE HATER !!! STARFIELD 100% WILL NOT DELAY AGAIN ...................
AFTER the release day was set to SEP ............ THOSE TH-camrs DISAPPEARED =0=
This is so bizarre. I feel like the developer looked at Star citizen and said ‘Yes! This is the business model we want’ it’s just a pretty asset being used to fish for funds
Bruh. It looks like a scam game and it's made by a company that keeps abandoning their projects. There's no way this game is real
Fantastic summarized report on the story. Thank you for the video and your efforts 👏🏿
No news on this but The Stomping Land (you know that game announced like 7 years ago for the solo dev to disappear) well the dev reappeared and is now actively developing the game he promised 7 years ago. Sounds like that is less a scan then this!
Great summary, had no idea this was happening. You excel at this format
At this point I’m just enjoying watching the entire internet try to super sleuth this game
The USPTO does in fact categorize trademarks into 45 different classes. The trademark is only protected depending on which class the owner has filed in. Companies like Nintendo will cover the entire list of 45 when dealing with massive IP like Pokemon.
and I think Yongyea missed the part when The Day Before devs sending out their "raw gaming footage", many suspecting that just scripted animation, even other game devs think so.
I think they did 2 things wrong:
1. if it's not real gameplay, then say so
2. if you delay the game then announce it way before the release
they didn't bother to do to both apparently
Well turns out it’s indeed a scam
When they finally showed the gameplay trailer I recognized most if not all of the assets in the game being from the asset store. Sole Food Market? Willow's? Both I've seen in a building model pack. The ambulance? Seen that same model and texture in a vehicle model pack.
Who else is watching this again after the release of the game?
I like how in those apocalypse world all light still work. Company will cut you off as soon as you miss a payment. Central will shut down automatically if absence of human supervision.
But 3 month into apocalypse everyone left the light on, and electricity is still running.
It's like no one wants to learn from other people's mistakes anymore. Ah whatever, I'm enjoying this lmao.
Because of social media and the whole "participation trophy generation" thing, the world is experiencing an epidemic of narcissistic personality disorder. The reason the average person nowadays never learns from the mistakes of others is because they're a narcissist who looks at the failures of others and thinks "But I'm smarter than that. That won't happen to me. I'll actually succeed, even though literally everyone else failed."
@@DeadPixel1105 I never really considered the negative impact of social media influencing the indie game industry, but the actual symptoms seem no different than any other "fake it till you make it" Instagram account. Thank you, that was some great insight.
Yong has the crispiest 1080p videos you'll ever see on TH-cam. Idk how he does this. Almost like his vids aren't compressed at all.
I'm over here, thinking this Is why I don't preorder / crowd fund games anymore 😂
The tittle of the video really is the best way to put it. It is the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen for a game.
This looks like an Ubisoft bait and switch
"Tree trunk that broke the camel's back" ahaha, I love those alternative proverbs :D
this game feels like a fever dream, it's vaporware that never will be or a very elaborate scam
Favourite part was when they put out messages to a bunch of streamers about a big announcement after their initial trailer stream failed (it was around 7 hours of copyright free music and then crashed). The big announcement? A game called Prop Night.
Holy shit I forgot Prop Night existed. Looking at the store page? It seems most people did, so at least I'm not alone.
I can see this being the future of the games industry.
Especially with how easy it is to create these assets now with UE5. There are going to be a lot of shoddy projects
The future is now. Shits been like this for nearly a decade.
@@Drstrange3000 bro, no cap, i had that written in the comment but i deleted it because i didnt want the comment too long. I watched a video on how it's easy to spot a game using unreal engine 5. Its nice nonetheless, but every game is going to look like Hogwarts Legacy (not with wizards and shit)
@@Gunnumn Yeah, it is hard to unseen once you are aware.
This is actually an indie game. So...
Yamaha is one example of unique trademark situations.
There’s a music company, but then there’s also a motorcycle company.
Yamaha motorcycles, Yamaha motors (motorboat, racecar engines etc.), Yamaha electronics (amplifiers etc.) and Yamaha music are all owned by same company, Yamaha.
Speaks how versatile and how big a company can be, I guess.
Kira made a good job covering their shenanigans but having you bringing it to more people is a blessing ✨
The word Bullshit stems from the Latin words “Bullius Shittaeues”
This whole project looks sketchy asf. Like the fact no real gameplay has been shown is already pretty telling lol
If we're getting to the point where people will say "this starting to feel like a scam," it most likely is a scam. Case in point star citizens.
Doesn't matter if they didn't intend this to be a scam. It has become one.
Technically yes, but only to their own detriment. Not taking public funding means that at worst? Their publisher gets fucked over and then fucks *them* over in court and everyone associated with the project never gets to show their face in the industry again. It could very well be a scam, but to general consumers it's more a wild goose chase than a proper scam. But hey, we'll get more videos in 8 months when they delay for another year! That's gotta count for something.
We’re going to need a follow up update to this video, we got more news on the game being a scam.
the internet doesn't think It's a scam. It is a scam
Dam dude you got serious detail in a large area. Really impressive
Another banger, great job Yong.
Not to mention the studio released another game, Prop Hunt, and did a bait and switch with a trailer for The Day Before
imagine if they actually release it and it's a masterpiece
The Citizen Kane of video games---IGN
Doubt. They copied too many games(not even to a fair use lvl) and asset flipped their way through this.
I know you said this as a joke, but you really need to sit down and think about it a little even as a joke.
at that day , US government will show us a real ALIEN in live broadcast !!!
Yong forget to include Fntastic’s prior track record; like how Prop Night was just released out of the blue during this game’s development. If this game ever actually comes out, it will guaranteed be a Watch Dogs situation all over again but even worse.
I can’t wait for the inevitable sequel to this video lol
I mean it's already out
I can't even begin to explain how funny it was to learn the calculator lawsuit turned out to be real.
Let us rewatch this video again.
Hey Yong, great video, but you missed an important piece of this story. Fntastic did release a game called Propnight which is essentially a poor man's Dead by Daylight game but they used The Day Before to give this unknown game attention as they shadow dropped it.
Phew. It turned out so much worse, didn’t it?
The biggest, absolutely biggest red flag is the Engine change.
You can't just "move" a game from one engine to another and press a button for it to be done.
One month before the game releases they _switch engine_ that's like saying: "Oh yeah, I built this house here, but I didn't like the plot so I bought a new plot and now I'm building my house there instead, don't worry! All the furnitures are still there and I've already made the room layout, it'll be done in nine months, promise!"
Absolutely incredible.
This video aged so well.
It’d be pretty funny if an actual game came out, everyone forgot about it by then, and we’d only see it brought up way past its launch. Purely ironic by the fact that it was the most wishlisted.
I'm rooting really hard for them to be the hero they say they are, but they work soooo hard for me not to believe them....
So, the legal defense that “The Day Before” is an app and not a video game actually might hold water. The whole point of trademark is to avoid brand confusion. Since the calendar app would have trouble being confused for a zombie video game they may both be able to use the name. As long as the video game never uploads to the App Store that the calendar app is on.
I think he is getting copyright confused with trademark.
@@finnmanuel-miranda2154 Ah yes that totally makes sense!
What if this game is some sort of social experiment…?
I'd buy that.
next update, "sorry someone broke into our office and stole our game, so we decided to start from scratch" lmao .
This whole thing reminds me of DNF. A game that went through years of development hell in pursuit of always using the latest technologies.
I'm rather surprised you didn't go into the background for the developers at all, being that their poor track record is one of the biggest causes for concern that people have.
This aged well
Haven't really cared much about marketing after the first Watch Dogs gameplay trailer. Now I just hear about a game's annoucement and what genre it is (Because games these days tend to fail to surprise or innovate anyway) And then I watch a bunch of reviews when it finally comes out. Then I'll either buy or not buy.
I agree its not a scam as they didn't crowdfund. I mean at this point monetary wise they probably have to release somthing as I bet that they have investors looking to make their money back so as not to get sued to oblivion.
I think the point of contention, that I'm not sure if it's true but I read it somewhere, is that they released smaller shitty mobile games saying that the purchase of that game would directly fund development of this game. Now that does sound like a scam to me.
Your comment is already false who's paying to have the game made the publisher and I can't wait to hear when they sue for what's the word oh ya scam
This reminds me of Hanlon's razor, which states that "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
If there is a game and it did launch, it would probably be crippled by the massive amount of players flooding into the servers due to a lack of beta testing on a mmo as they called it.
Don’t forget investments of servers. System crashes, glitches, lag, and even other performance issues
"the tree trunk that broke the camel's back" made me chuckle :P
The downfall of this studio will be epic.
Here after the downfall of Fntastic
It was, indeed
Epic
Having the huge city, then the outdoors area... then the huge detailed mall, all without them specifying if this was all suppose to be the same map or different "levels" to put it simply, is what tips me off. We have no idea what the scale is suppose to be, and the way those early city trailers looked incredibly detailed, made having a full city being that polish hard to believe.
I used to think Atomic Heart was a scam, but that turned out to be a real game and a pretty decent one at that. So who knows really.
Fair enough
Overhype can break anything
tbf there wasn't even really a trailer suggesting gameplay for most of Atomic Heart's life
it just kinda seemed like it would never finally release
What's odd about this whole situation is that many people are figuring out their end goal. It is not pre-ordered otherwise they could have grabbed people's money and run away with it. Like are they doing this for attention? Create a spectacle to just have outlets and groups talk about them?
Just like Abandonded, we are all confused as to why they are doing this in the first place. Why create an idea of a game but never release it? Why show anything?
Because such videos generate hype and they advertise their own stuff through that.
This technically cant be a scam if no one paid for it
Basically.
You know what's funny? A lot of people are feeling so high and mighty, looking down on people who WISHLISTED the game as if wishlisting a game is somehow a very bad decision... You do not pay a cent wishlisting a game :facepalm:
@@cherdnad2630 I can careless about this game. I understand people who are hyped for something and don’t get the game they were advertised but If no one spent a dime for this or even preordered it then it isn’t a scam in my eyes. If it’s just one big troll and everyone who wish listed got bamboozled then welcome to the internet my man. It is what it is
@@OKBZERO The "no one spent a dime" claim seems spurious - what if they had investors? Is this all volunteer work you think?
@Tor Iver Wilhelmsen they do have investors it's called their publishers
@@TorIverWilhelmsen I’m talking on behalf of fans. Investors know the risk into putting money into a game. Risk of making no money or profiting. Fans can’t profit, only can purchase product. Whether they are satisfied or not is up to them. I rest my case..
Didn't people also discover and point out that some of the in-game animations and objects (cars, trucks, weapons, etc) were all stock and unchanged assets?