7mm Showdown | Part 8 | 28 Nosler Load Development | Results & Rifle Specs | Little Crow Gunworks
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- In this video we have a look at the 28 Nosler that we included in this project. We review the specs of the rifle as well as how the initial group testing went.
We talk a little bit about bonded bullets as well as the ups and downs of these giant cartridges.
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TH-cam is at it again... with deleting comments. I had this nice little write up about my experiences with bonded bullets and the 28 Nosler, and TH-cam deleted it. Long story short... I'm having the same issues as you in a carbon fiber barrel in 28 Nosler. Funny enough the gun has shot the 175 gr ABLR the most consistently. But at best I'm only getting 3/4 inch groups.
Tim. Continue to be impressed with the Series. 28Nosler is a Monster. I started hunting in the late 1960’s and with no ranging devices or ballistic apps. I spent hours pouring over reloading manuals.
I wanted a range of calibers that had similar ballistics to I could learn to shoot at extended range. 300 yds … lol.
So I settled on the .223, the 6mm Remington, the 7mm Rem Mag and the .338 Win Mag. Shooting for bullet weights so each one had a 3,000 to 3,100 fps. It worked and I had success with each one.
New technology has certainly made this strategy ancient.
And still have the 7RM.
Keep up the great work, anxious for the next one.
Thank you for the kind words and continued support. You did the best you could with what you had. For those days, that was state of the art thinking. Technology has made us soft by making things easier unfortunately. But when you know how to use the technology, it's amazing what you can accomplish.
The 7 Rem Mag is and always will be a dandy. Don't give up on her.
Thank you for the series. I am a die hard .284 guy. Especially 7mm rem mag. Keep ‘‘em coming.
Thank you for joining us! 7mm is pretty hard to beat for big game.
My favorite gun channel. Common sense approach and builds that are practical.
Hey thanks Chris. You were late to the party but haven't wasted any time catching up!
Tim, I had an almost identical experience with my dad's 28 nos. He's getting older and needed to lighten up his rifle, so we re-barreled it with a carbon. I put 200 rounds into load development before I gave up. I'm no pro but that's the first time I couldn't get groups down around an inch. Dad now shoots a 280 AI and loves it. Thanks for the honesty in these videos.
Happy to deliver the truth man. I don't owe any of these cartridges anything. If something doesn't cooperate, I'm gonna tell you guys. If you are 200 rounds in and can't get an inch, it's time to punt.
Absolutely awesome intellectual work. Prior life was as a Field Artillery officer and just jumping into rifle ballistics. Not sure what has been done from an interior ballistics, transitional ballistics, and exterior ballistics perspective. EVERYTHING matters! I have learned a TON. I am a believer of STEEL barrels... Thank you so much for imparting your knowledge and skills!
I can’t wait to see how the problem gets resolved. I want to build a 28 Nosler. I am using this series as my guide.
@johnmolloy5068 we can build you a 28 Nosler right now, but at this point in time, I would recommend a steel barrel. Maybe we got a bad barrel, but my gut tells me that this is just how it is when you use a big cartridge in a carbon barrel. Too many other people are having the same experience for me to say they ALL have bad barrels.
How long have you waited between shots? Using a barrel cooler? Have you done cold bore groups where you shoot one, wait a day shoot again? Does it always repeat? Thats what ultimately matters in a hunting gun
When testing, I use a chamber chiller and wait 1.5 to 2 minutes between shots with he chiiller in place. Then every 8 to 10 shots, I wait 10 Minutes with the chiller in place.
Once I have what I think is a "polished" load, I track the first two shot's every time I'm at the range.
I had a CA ridgeline that did the same thing, first 2 shots almost touching and one flyer. In the high temps, accuracy would go right down the toilet. Im now running a benchmark stainless barrel on my current 28 nosler and I am not having the accuracy issues I was having with the carbon fiber wrapped barrel. The videos are great keep it up.
Thank you for the positive feedback. That's the only sense we can make of what is going on with this rifle. Hammered in the cold and a shithead when it warms up.
Fantastic video again!
Thank you for the honesty and not hiding what may be issues!
I’m loving the content!
Thanks man. If something doesn't work, I'd rather share than let you make the same mistakes.
Another great video Tim. Once again thank you for your time and effort. I’m thoroughly enjoying this series. Waiting on the next one.
Thank you for the steady support. I'm glad so many of you are appreciating the effort and staying with it.
Love this series! Wondering what your opinion/experience about the 30 Nosler?
Don't know anything about it. Case capacity is lower than a 300 Win Mag. I would think you could match 300 Win Mag Handloads if you forget about 3.340" COAL.
@@LittleCrowGunworks 30 Nosler has greater capacity. Carbon fiber barrels have been too much hype.
Seating depth of the 160gr. CX in my 7PRC with 26” Proof barrel combination seems to like jump. In fact it likes .06 jump.
A series on bullet jump would be great.
Your video content is some of the best. Always look forward to more
Thank you for the kind words. I may do a jump video at some point. I think guys get too fixated on it. I don't think specific bullet types like specific jumps. I think you can make it shoot almost anywhere.
That is a beautiful rifle. Have a friend with a proof carbon barreled 28 nosler. While all he has shot out of it is factory 175 eldx ammo, the gun has the same third shot flyer issue (if you want to call it that). That gun has helped him develop a terrible flinch. Great video!
@davidsonneman1121
LOL, that's handy! Terrible flinches are great for shooting long range. 😆
Thank you for the continued support David.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Get it done with the first two shots.
I whole heartedly agree with you.
Don't give two hoots where 3rd, 4th etc. Go. It's nice to brag about, if one can group 5 in a pretty little cluster. Only the first shot is the most important one.
LOL, I tell ya... people get lost in the weeds on this stuff. I know one thing, if the first two don't go where you expect them to; I PROMISE the 3rd and 4th aren't gonna get it done.
Wish I'd seen this video before I went down the same rabbit hole. I'm about a week away from having it in my hands, so thanks to you it won't be a surprise if it doesn't shoot like a 7 SAUM or PRC.
It might give you trouble, but it might not. Just know that you have a dragon by the tail and it might whip around and bite you.
I think you’re on to something with carbon barrels. I was reading something on proof about heat and it was said it doesn’t impact your groups size. So my carbon barrel does the same thing. My dad’s carbon old wrapped barrel from a Remington barrel puts them in the same hole.
I really think it's this giant cartridge with a carbon barrel that's the issue. I spoke with a fella at Proof. He thinks we got a bad barrel and is sending a replacement.
I found your intro video to this series 2 days ago. I’ve watched them all as of today. Had to save them all to watch later so I can reference them. Such great information.
I am planning my first hunting/long range rifle build. This series has been such a useful tool to help me learn about what I should consider in my build from parts to caliber, and solidified my plan to learn to reload.
It would be nice for those of us newer to reloading if you would do a video discussing how to pick an optimal seating depth and where to start. Thanks
Also after watching all these you seem like the kinda guy I’d drink a beer with. Maybe someday, cheers.
Now this is my kinda comment. Thank you for all the positive vibes. I'm happy I have played a part in your long range journey. I'd take ya up on that beer, given the opportunity.
Let me know if you want us to build it for ya. I can help finalize decisions if you're stuck on anything.
Used your ladder method for the first time with 110gr Barnes ttsx for my 270. Really enjoying it. Found two sweet spots where they are touching or one hole. Will test those and will do another ladder with a faster powder to help velocity hopefully.
Also it did just what you were saying, walked around the outer edge and then sucked right in.
Keep it up. The details are awesome.
That's awesome Corey! Did it get you to where you wanted to be?
@@LittleCrowGunworks yup it did. It got me to a .5 moa group in less then 20 rounds. I plan to use this method for every load now. Used it to find 2 charges now.
Decided to just hope for the best and take a shot in the dark with my 6 creed hoping to get lucky. Nope just chased my tail for a bit haha. Will be doing your method for all future loads.
Will be trying the 112 match burner here soon so hoping that goes well. It’s looking like my rifle likes to be jumped and a lot haha.
One of the most interesting series I’ve watched to date, thank you for the honest results. How does it shoot with a different brake or with no brake at all? Had a similar set up with very similar results, went from a 4-port ti to a 3 port steel and the groups tightened up. Like kids, each one behaves differently.
I think that's a thing. I have had similar experiences. I think different weight muzzle devices change the barrel timing.
Great video. Thanks for all of your work and more importantly, your honesty.
I would like to ask a question of you and the other hunters out there.
If a hunter keeps his shots within ethical distances (600 yards), why 28 Nosler?
Bucks the wind, and if you agree with Ol Roy Weatherby, speed kills. I hunt in wyoming, and the wind is my #1 reason to not take a shot. Also, hunters used to say anything past maybe 200 yards was unethical, then scopes were invented and that stretched out yards maybe another 100 or 200 yards. Then range finders became main stream and again a streatch.Now, new cartridges come out that strearch that even more.
I have a carbon proof 28 Does the exact same thing 2 touching 1 out I got so frustrated. I quit cleaning the barrel and I noticed that the one throne was getting closer after about 15 shots instead of being an inch out. It was closer to a half inch.
Yeah I don't know what to make of it. I think it's just this giant cartridge because the 7 PRC has the same barrel and just hammers!
Get Copper tubing bonded bullets. They are first bonded to the jacket then swaged up to caliber and further completed as usual. These are noticeably more accurate than non bonded. The main purpose is to keep the core from separating from the jacket. With Mass production lead core bullets lube the lead cores to facilitate mass produce core insertion.
Loving all this great new knowledge!! But where can I find the next video after the 28 Nosler testing? Can't find it anywhere. I would think it would be Part 9....
@@tedgeohagan2178 should be coming out on Friday.
@@LittleCrowGunworks Fantastic! I have a 280 Ackley and this series is great. I was using 4831SC with 168 Berger hunting bullet, and wasn't getting consistent chronograph readings, and bullets weren't hitting consistently on target. I watched one of your episodes and had no idea that the powder wasn't all burning! Now trying different' powders you've suggested and excited to see the results.. Thanks so much for your time on all this and helping out us amateurs!!
This is a great series Tim, thanks for all the info and time you have put in mate, learn something every vid so thanks again mate, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️🇦🇺
Thanks Yogi. Don't hide from the comment section for so long mate. I get worried about ya. LOL
@@LittleCrowGunworks I’m always here watching bro, the 7mm series is a great follow on from the 22 nosler series, just means I got to save up some more money, if its the last thing I do I’m going to get to the USA and get me a rifle or two from ya mate, love ya work bro, keep the good stuff coming, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
Another great video! I know it’s frustrating but I actually learn from you trying to figure out the irritating load development. Beautiful rifle and yes it’s a laser. If the Nightforce NXS is financially over budget, what brand optics would you recommend? If you’d rather not answer, I understand. Thanks Tim. Definitely have a loyal listener here.
Thank you for the series!
Thanks for being a steady supporter Jack!
proof barrels, i’ve had 4, and everyone of them shoot good in the winter, the colder the better. If it’s hot out the gun would fall into 1.2-1.5 MOA also if the gun heated up when it was cold, i’d see a POI shift low. tried several barrels in 28Nosler and 300 PRC, finally went to a steel barrel again, and poof issues gone
I can only assume that you sent the lengthy email. I will respond there. Thank you
Great video Tim! As always, I learn from every video you post and often quite a bit during your rants.
Interesting what you and others have found with carbon wrapped barrels (most notably with the 28 Nosler.) My proof .280 AI doesnt throw shots in a group like that. Ive taken 3 shot and 5 shot groups without any significant barrel cool down and had consistent groups. Maybe the slower velocity had an impact. Not sure.
Thanks again and cant wait for the next installment.
The rants is where the juice is! Yeah the 7 PRC isn't like this. That thing is one of the best shooting rifles I've ever touched. I really think it is a cartridge size thing. It could just be a bad barrel, but I don't think so because it shot amazing in the cold.
Another enlightening video, thank you. I admit I have never had any interest in the 28N personally, but I think the 7mm cartridges are the best and really interested in the series to learn more about the other 3 options.
Another excellent video, looking forward to the next one. I appreciate your candid information and realize how I got wrapped up with unrealistic expectations. Definitely have had smoke blown up the wazoo lol.
Having unrealistic expectations is becoming easier everyday with the crap you guys are being sold on most other channels.
I really like that stock.
Excellent "honest" video, Thanks, I have never had a carbon fiber barrel in any caliber. The fire breathing dragons are just that, they need a longer stouter platform to achieve their potential. My 300WM and 270 WSM are of match quality only after literally years of trial and error. I wish you well.
Thank you for the excellent comment Donald. That's all we're doing here. Seeking the truth and sharing it with you all. There's so much BS out there now. It's impossible for the average guy to know what's good information and what's not.
More great stuff! Very interesting about the groupings as they might relate to the Carbon Fiber barrel.
I have been, and still do, thoroughly enjoying the series!
And yes, I did start looking at your website and the idea of a build. A bit away from that decision but…if I’m going to go all in a custom rifle…you gents will be where I shop.
Hey Gary, we really appreciate that. Let us know ho we can be helpful in your decision making process when the time comes.
Do you have any thoughts or experience with the speer impact as a higher bc bonded bullet?
I don't. It's too new.
@LittleCrowGunworks thank you, I've looked at them for my 300wm, I think they may only have them in 30 cal and 6.5 or 7mm but I can remember the smaller caliber.
Another great video, thanks!
Thank you Philip!
Great video again as always!
I've tried ABLRs in 28N, they are indeed finicky. If I don't learn to accept good enough then I will end up burning the barrel out trying to find the perfect load
Great information. Keep doing it.
Thanks Alan, that's the plan!
I wanted carbon but went with a steel varmint profile with alot of custom fluting to shed weight. Rifle ended up around 11lbs with 28” barrel. It was finicky with some bullets for sure…took a hundred rounds to speed up and i ran thru alot trying to fine tune a bad combo. But i found good stuff, berger 180 vld with retumbo and berger 195 with lrt. The 195 has reputation for being easy to get to shoot.
An 11lb 28 Nosler and a 28" barrel is perfect if you ask me. After this debacle, I think steel is the ticket for these big monsters.
I have a 10.5 pound 300 Norma mag and running a 205 grain badlands precision bullet right at 3000fps in a 26in. Carbon barrel. The “2 in and one out” phenomenon is totally the barrel heating up. It’s hard to feel the heat being transferred with the carbon barrel because it is actually an insulator of heat. I have noticed shooting 2 and waiting a few minutes is the only way I was able to get a good load developed.
That's the word on the street. I have many people sharing their experiences with me and they are all VERY similar.
My CA Ridgeline does the exact same thing. 2 touching then a flyer. And that is in 6.5cm. I know others with same experience in different calibers. Maybe not all fiber barrels are comparable but it does seem to be a trend.
I don't know what to think because this 7 PRC has the same barrel and is one of the best shooting rifles I've ever touched.
All I can say is thank you. I'm learning the whole bunch. I think there are a lot of people out there, giving incorrect information.7x300NM❤ I still think carbon fiber barrels have a very limited application.
I've seen the McWoody several times now on videos. Definitely helps seeing them this way vs a picture on McMillan's website. I'm going to order a couple now, 1 for LH Tikka, the other for LH 700 clone. Thanks again for another great video.
I prefer 1 pounds triggers. So used to that for the last 20 years. When I buy the replacement trigger springs for my Tikkas that pull at about 1.5 pounds even that feels too heavy anymore. I live with it though
Great content Tim...and i enjoy your presentation...sometimes you make me laugh 😂
Well good George! I know I make myself laugh now and then.
I would agree with you on the bonded hornady bullet amongst others where they can just pancake, but in my experience, the accubonds lose some weight and they keep a good shank and are almost impossible to catch in game in my experience.
But, I'll admit to having problems getting the long range version to shoot as well, but please keep the tangents coming because that's how most knowledge is achieved even if we hear things that go against our beliefs.
Were the 2 shot groups consistently hitting same POA?
If so, I would say great hunting rifle and stay out of group bragging contests.lol
I love the 300 norma round, and the 7x300 norma must be deadly.
As far as technical ideas, I greatly look forward to the video.
I was wondering if you could talk for 5 minutes about the "inherently accurate cartridges " argument.
As you say, the really overbore cartridges need more tlc, but after seeing the beloved 280ai not shooting too special I have my opinions.
I'd love to hear a tangent on that one if you have an opinion.
I'm always excited to see another video full of invaluable information and thanks soo much.
Awesome again, brother ……
Thanks Brother! See ya on the next brain bender.
Took my 280 AI out for a run today and she shot 160 Acubomd right with 150 full copper with Polymer tip and 140 Nosler BT but of course she should, she is a Kimber
Good stuff!
27:19 this is something i don't quite understand... for a hunter who presumes that they will get only ONE shot. If their gun suffers from a "cold bore shift" or whatever it's called. Why wouldnt you spend as much time as is necessary to zero to that cold bore shot?
Great question. The short answer is, you should do that. But we do care where the 2nd and 3rd shot go because we might need them. We do load development in an effort to find a load that shoots relatively small, CONSISTENTLY, so that we know what the gun is LIKELY to do. Once we achieve group consistency, THEN, we can go out and take cold bore shots, trying to map their consistency and set the zero to the "average center" of the cold bore shots.
But without a consistent load, trying to map the cold bore shot is a waste of time.
I run 155 grain absolute hammers in my 28, hammer bullets are a little expensive but worth it in my opinion
I hear great things about hammers but haven't tried them.
I use StaBall HD and LRT with good accuracy and velocity. 160 AB and 168 LRX.
AH there's always one in the bunch. I'm kidding. If it's working, let'er rip.
Im too recoil sensitive for anything over about 42gr of powder, but i like all of the data because i can learn something and possibly apply it elsewhere.
Exactly. My method works for all cartridges, not just magnums.
Thanks for being honest.
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I know it’s a different breed of rifle but my tikka superlight 7mm rem has the same quirk two cutting the same hole and the third one travels about an inch out, and I have about 20 identical groups of three as proof.
Mine definitely is heat as the barrel is LIGHT if I wait for cool down it groups 3/4 or less. In short it makes for a lot of trips to the range to build confidence in a new rifle, especially now that the hot weather is here.
Another note is since I was running the Chronograph on every shot during development I definitely noticed if I left the third shot in the chamber for an extended period (readjusting the rifle, or recording shot data that I forgot to do prior to loading) there was definitely heat transfer into the cartridge from the hot chamber/barrel as velocity was higher and the shot usually wandered farther.
WHO TEE WHO had the same problem with a carbon fiber barrel. He noticed that direct sunlight would make a one inch migration on a cold barrel.
I'm not sold on a carbon fiber barrel.
Bad ass videos,Sr.
Thanks brotha!
CRS firearms on TH-cam had the same thing before he got pinched!
The two and one BS?
Once again excellent video! This types of videos are what TH-cam is for!! It’s a shame TH-cam is soooo communist! Thank you
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If this is what you look like when you're having fun (RBF!), I'd hate to see what you look like when you're not. Lol
@randyemenhiser2573
LOL. Good stuff Randy. I look pissed when I'm concentrating and trying to film for an hour without ANY edits, cuts, outtakes whatever you wanna call it.
Another great video! I know it’s frustrating but I actually learn from you trying to figure out the irritating load development. Beautiful rifle and yes it’s a laser. If the Nightforce NXS is financially over budget, what brand optics would you recommend? If you’d rather not answer, I understand. Thanks Tim. Definitely have a loyal listener here.