What They Teach Kids About The Birth Of Jesus | Atheist Responds
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Since It's Christmas, what better reason to look at what Christians teach their kids about the birth of christ. Yes, the holiday may have originally been pagan, but let's make it an all inclusive time of year... by looking at the birth of jesus christ in animation form...
The original video can be found here - • The Birth of Jesus Chr...
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The impregnation of Mary part sounds suspiciously exactly like any alien abduction story. I'm watching too much X-Files..
That's what I've gotten out of it a long time ago. And there's many people that deduced the Abrahamic angels are like the Sumerian gods, Hindu gods and others, just another interpretation of extra terrestrials. And since it's long been determined that Abrahamic demons were just explanations for diseases, perhaps their angels be the same but for more euphoric effects.
Smash you can never watch to much X-Files. Yes it does definitely sound like the standard alien abduction story. But it does also sound like she was drugged and r@ped and her mind just came up with a story to tell Joseph she may have even believed the story her self. There are all sorts of trauma responses that people can develop after a traumatic event like be r@ped when you are less than sixteen years old (I think she was supposed to be around 12 or 13 years old when this happened). There has been a report out of Ohio that a 10 year old child was r@ped and impregnated and is now being forced to carry the fetus to term do to a judges order and because of anti abortion laws that just went into effect.
Strange how none of these magical events have occurred since the camera was invented. It's almost like they're myth and legend...
I disagree. These magical events have been happening all the time . . . . . . . . since the invention of photoshop. 😂
We've had several claims of time travelers, people from alternate timelines, etc. since photography came into existence, just that miraculously they either don't give a story that matches up with their predictions of the future (the time travelers), the ones from alternate timelines disappear before they can be documented, the psychics' readings are only as true as the controlled settings they get set in for exposure or whatever their client tells them is true and wants told back, we also lack supporting evidence for all the crypto beings, etc. So while many of these may exist, we just don't have evidence to prove them, and some, like these psychics and time travelers, are obvious frauds.
My dad tells stories of faith healing that used to happen at his church but for some reason it all ended when video cameras became popular... weird , right?
My Aunt is so stupid I asked her how many limbs have been regrown and she thinks that's happened too.
@@rlcmza6705 Oh dear
I believe Thomas Paine put it best, “Is it more probable that nature should go out of her course or that a man should tell a lie? We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time.”
The total suspension of the natural order of all things---never observed anywhere by anyone---for the benefit of a deranged rabid clutch of avowed virgins or, that a nice Jewish girl might---as all nice girls do---sleep around a bit, tell a lie about how she got knocked up & finally gave birth to an unruly lout who ended up executed for what at the time were considered crime(s). The latter bit requires no interference by mythological forces, and a cursory overview of the Middle East during the last 2 millennia reliably informs anyone that the same sort of thing still happens on a daily basis in the region... men often forcefully having sex with their cousins & chopping off heads for no particular reason.
People think oh Mary probably lied, but guys this whole story probably was invented much later to make Jesus similar to Greco-Roman myths and has nothing to do with Mary.
@@AnonymousZyx Obviously. Jesus being childless & unmarried at age 30---or whatever---would also be highly unusual. But we see this sort of thing in all mythologies; a whitewashing to an extent. The mythology behind the Buddha is strikingly similar.
Think of Gabriel's visit more as Neil Diamond or Urge Overkill singing to Mary, ”Girl, you'll be a woman soon.”
And if the prophecies require Jesus to have a certain genealogy, then he has to be of Joseph's bloodline, not just from Mary's alone.
The truthfulness of Mary isn't the question, though.
It's Constantine's hyperbolic emphasis on the miraculous, in this case based on a purity culture connotation of a woman's virginity based on a word for, ”young woman,” which many languages use similar words for.
Senorita, mademoiselle, miss, maiden, Mädchen, almah, or in the Greek translations, neanis νεᾶνις.
// The Septuagint translates most occurrences of almah into a generic word neanis νεᾶνις meaning 'young woman',[13][14] or to neotes νεότης meaning 'youth',[15] both words being derived from neos 'new' and unrelated to virginity.[16][17] //
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah#:~:text=will%20be%20destroyed.-,Greek%20translation,new'%20and%20unrelated%20to%20virginity.
Something occurred to me while watching this video… If Joseph and Mary had just traveled through the desert, on a very long journey, wouldn’t that mean that they knew how to survive with very little? Why are they so “desperate“ to find a place to sleep? Seems like they would have everything they need.
Stars are really far away. So how did one stop right over a barn?
Considering the size of a tiny star, it would be impossible to say what it was above. Plus there's that whole the earth moving thing to contend with as well.
I thought a more plausible explanation was that it was a comet, though maybe it was one of those fracking Starlink satellites.
It was “a miracle” or just another myth. Which is more believable?
Bronze-age men believed that stars were suspended in the sky and could fall to earth. It is possible that they could have witnessed glowing meteors streaking through the sky at some time and assumed that they were falling stars. They had no knowledge or tools to determine the difference.
The real reason why they couldn't find a room in Bethlehem was because it was Christmas, and everywhere is crowded at Christmas. lol. - Also, if Joseph was from Bethlehem, wouldn't logic suggest that he already had a residence there, - or at the very least relatives where they could have stayed?
Even as a kid, I knew this was bulls$%t. ( by the way, angels have funny accents)
So long story short marry got pregnant and told her future husband a big stupid lie he believed it and the three "wise man" where actually the guys she cheated with and none of them knew who was the father and they just came to her to look at the child to see who is the father. the end.... xD
I always thought the term "god fearing" was a bit strange for something that apparently has unlimited love and understanding...maybe god want us to be so afraid of how much god loves us with all the evil and tragedy it allows but won't do a thing to fix anything with all that sweet divine all-power and miracles n hoards of angels to do it's bidding cuz ya know... mysterious ways n whatnot
"How is this possible? I'm not married yet!" 🤣
Because not being married is a form of contraception! 🤭
Before we were married, my mothers once said that we didn’t have children yet because we weren’t married.
My mother was two months pregnant when my parents married, so she should have known better.
@@kellydalstok8900 I remember a friend of mine many years ago who decided to get married just because his gf was pregnant and "didn't want the child to be born a bastard", you know, because loving someone isn't a good enough excuse, he was more concerned about what the buy-bull says his child should be called if he didn't,, it's actually quite sad imo, I hadn't thought about that in all these years and it hadn't crossed my mind back then, I really wish it had...
"Come here and be brave, you byoootifully tan brunette! I'll show you how" - god (probably)
Funny thing is those that get married so the child won't be born out of wedlock neglect that their same religion also condemns premarital sex. What next, make the victim wrong in YHWH's eyes post mortem to make the murder justified?
@@audiotyresup YooHooWooHoo! 🤣
"All you have to do to educate a child is leave him alone and teach him to read. The rest is brainwashing"
Ellen Gilchrist
Depending on the books the child has access to it still might be brainwashing
Thats a horrible quote. Imagine if someone actually did that
When you see how freely these people completely invent details -- about what they consider to be the single most important truth of the universe -- you begin to get an idea of how "scripture" is written.
Don't underestimate the addictive power of the *Holy Dopamine Ghost* via Placebo Faith.
😇🧠👻=🙏👉🧠👉🤪
I love how all the characters and even the angel have blonde hair and green or blue eyes
Not to mention having white skin, even though they're from the middle east.
According to Luke 1:35, the angel told Mary: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you." EEEEEWWWWW! Just EEEEEWWWW! 🤮
Well; at least he was courteous enough to tap her on the head first
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Uuuum. They needed ME TOO back then apparently....
He misworded it, he meant inside you...
@@jaydisqus3353 oh. Well that makes more sense then. . . 😉
@@knarf_on_a_bike I didn't feel right typing that...
Thanks. ;)
Why would one “FEAR” a god who “loves” you????
it’s a mind fuck
I thought that since the start of the video, it sounds like Grabriel is grooming an underage foreign girl to have sex with him. Looking back at it; it just sounds like the big R word, that rhymes with Grape, that I don't want to say because I don't want to be banned.
You’re just saying what we’re all thinking.
There is another "little problem": in the hebrew "kabbala" angels are described as "fearsome" creatures without defined sex - so it must be impossible for "Gabriel" to have sexual intercourse with a human female. Next problem is, that it is also described, that angels permanently send out a blinding and scorching light and human beings can't be exposed to it without losing their mind. - And - at least - the kabbala also tells us, that angels don' t like humans, because god has chosen them as his "first children" instead of the preborn angels... - So, all in all: Not even the best conditions for the meeting of Mary and Gabriel....((😱))
At that time, rape victims were often stoned to death, as the bible tells us so.
Hartlepool Grammar School, December 1969. Scripture lesson. Not listening, as usual.
"The Bible tells us that three wise men came from the Orient. Where is the Orient, Furness?"
"Er...halfway down the Third Division, Sir."
I got the cane for that. Happy days.
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Alternate Story:
A young woman named Marrry was raped by the village rapist.
He has discovered that he can stun his victims with a mixture of plants and fungi while at the same time triggering hallucinations.
After administering a mixture of the drugs to Marry while she was sleeping, she woke up in a daze. The rapist then told the deeply religious woman a story about angels and God and raped her.
Result: Today we have a religion based on the child of a rape victim... well, that at least would explain why the Catholic Church protects rapist.
The technical and artistic standards of that animation matched the story perfectly (with a special mention for the 'music'). No child should have to suffer through that.
No child should be told of "the" christmas story either. It gives them a huge embarrassing disadvantage when talking to people who actually read the bible. Half of this shit is from one gospel and the other half from another and neither make any sense and combined into the christmas story we all know it's the stupidest story ever.
It also makes it completely impossible for christians to see any literary value in the different ways the stories are written. They all serve a point of emphasizing different things for different people and when you mash it all together there's no point and no emphasis and it's all magical and bullshit and when Jesus died he said seven contradictory things all at once and no one batted an eye, or call for a priest to do an exorcism on the poor confused polyphonic boy.
At least they animated the camels’ gait fairly correctly. 😏
It was _soooo_ slow
For the origins of the fictional Abrahamic god...
*Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.*
*It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant.
*Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon*
The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:*
When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text).
The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.*
Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest.
*As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722).
Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"*
Watch Dr Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica. Read the article linked in the description of the video.
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Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
Google *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."*
Google *"Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - NOVA - PBS"*
("Many scholars now think that most of the early Israelites *were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites,* displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.")
Google *"Origins of Judaism explained - **everything.explained.today**"*
("According to the current academic historical view, the origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, ***specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism,*** then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. (The Torah)".
*Refer to the bibliography at the bottom of the page)*
Google *"Canaanite languages - Britannica"*
("Group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including ***Hebrew,*** Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic.")
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Google *"El - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "El Outside the Bible" and the fact that the Israelites were originally *indigenous or displaced Canaanites)*
Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"*
(You can read about El, the original god of the Israelite patriarchs, husband of Asherah (Athirat) and the fictional father of Baal, Anat, Mot and other fictional Canaanite gods here)
Google *"His Name is Allah, History of Truth"*
(The fictional Abrahamic god El that the Israelite patriarchs worshipped is the same fictional god of the Muslims)
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Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"*
Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"*
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you deserve a lot more likes than 3. need a good few extra 0's on the end. Excellent comment.
.L. I agree, you deserve many likes! good work!
I had read that the archangels were once lesser gods, but demoted to mere archangels as abrahamic religion shifted to monotheism
the name, Israel, contains the names of three ancient Gods - Is, Isis, Ra, Egyptian Sun God, and El, High God of the ancient Babylonian pantheon.
all Gods are fictional.
there is no good reason to believe in Moses Jealous God, or Allah, High God of the ancient Arabic pagan pantheon. all mere superstition.
touch wood, touch the Black Stone..
I don’t understand how anyone can find this story convincing.
When you're repeatedly told this story from a young age and so much comes along with it in order of music, decorations, live enactments and traditions, it will stick with you whether it's false or not.
the vast majority: childhood indoctrination.
adults "finding god": mental disorder amd/or wishful (not)thinking.
I was told this from early childhood by people I thought were honest and smart.
Actually, we all “believed” because most others in our protected little world believed or did a good job pretending to keep their jobs and be “respectful” of “religions.”
It is way past time to tell everyone there is no Santa watching us all the time to see who is good. We owe it to ourselves to “be good for goodness sake.”
I thought it was a sin to add to God's Word?
Yet I'm pretty sure the original narrator is adding words!
They added the New Testament. Maybe they figured it wouldn't matter if they added a bit more.
it is only a sin if it is really god's word, though
:- )
Everything can be god's word aslong as it helps to repress people/spread the religion
would prefer kids were taught the multicultural aspect of Christmas. that many cultures celebrated many legends with feasting, drinking etc around the midwinter solstice. saturnalia, beltain, yule, etc
Nothing in the bible says anything about any wings on the "angel" or "spirit" that knocked up Mary.
And bible angels look very different. If I saw one like described, angel or not I would probably listen, in fear of my life.
@@nati0598 I mean tbvf this is supposed to be a video for kids so making the Angel look like a lovecraftian horror probably wouldn’t have been a. Good idea to show the kiddies.
@@KurenaiNanashi I feel like people don't actually teach children this isn't how angels look like, even when they grow up.
@@nati0598 oh I definitely agree with ya on that. My country would definitely have very different imagery if they went with how angels actually looked like instead of the sanitized version. Honestly it might make going out way more interesting
I had this story rammed down my throat as a child and even then I could see it for the bullshit it was.
Doesn't God have a PR problem if every angel has to tell people not to be afraid?
In Hebrew tradition angels are not handsome, Caucasian winged humans. Original angels were freaky looking eldritch abominations with more eyes than you can shake a stick at. If you'd suddenly seen one, you would think someone slipped you a bad acid.
@@FrikInCasualMode I know, but Christians like to massage their stolen tradition to by all shiny and happy.
I follow the Friendly Atheist’s bible readings on Sundays, and people have good reason to be very afraid of that malignant narcissist in the sky. He killed a lot of people for very arbitrary reasons. Very much like some psychos that will stick a knife into people for looking at them the wrong way.
this all happens after the flood, the story says. Of course, god has a PR problem. Commit just 1 global genocide, and people will kinda fear you. Those silly humans!
:- )
Must have more on Anceatry about Mary's life than I thought.........
Always g I back to Life of Brian.. ..great historically correct movie
This is about the most cringeworthy thing I have seen in a long time. And I’ve seen a good number of the Sophie and Caleb videos!
The attack on reason and reality begins early.
The part " he loves you and you have been chosen for something very special......you are special that you have been chosen above everyone else".....sounds mad culty .....😂
Mary: "I'm pregnant with the son of god"
Josef: "Sounds legit."
"...and, lo...Jesus was visited by Three Wise Guys from Back East." - Book of Sopranos 2:4
white anglo saxon jews in the 1st century? LOL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
On a side note, after such a long (9months, apparently) and difficult (walking is complex, apparently) journey and while they sleep in a manger and Mary just gave birth to a bastard child, her and Joseph's make-up is on point!
Meanwhile: Two shepherds were blinded by a light, because this happened exactly this way and isn't an exaggeration to embellish the story in any way to make it seem like a god had to have been responsible and it couldn't have been a shooting star, and they saw an angel with yada yada light and clothes and hair, it was totally amazing and she had wings and everything, BUTT she ALSO has the EXACT same make-up Mary has! Can't blame her. Mary has sex, is able to fool her husband into believing it's totally fine because it was an inter-species relationship and it has no impact on their marriage whatsoever, and she looks very cute with that make-up. If I were an angel from the same artist as Mary's I'd do my make-up the same as Mary's.
Also, _wise men?_ Witches you don't want to kill are wise men? Witches you do want to kill are witches? Seems a bit arbitrary to me. Then again, Mary wasn't stoned to death for adultery when inter-species rape isn't an exception in Moses' laws, so meh, fuckit.
A 12 Year old Middle Eastern Girl is forced to marry an older Middle Eastern Adult Man, called Joseph. She immediately becomes pregnant. During Spring she gives birth to a Caucasian Baby Boy. The Baby is destined to be called Immanuel, so his parents call him... Yeshua. However, everyone else calls him Jesus. The Father disappears a few years after the Birth. The child is born in Bethlehem, which is why he is referred to as... Jesus of Nazareth. And, because Jesus was born during the Spring, Christians Celebrate his Birth every year around the time of the Winter Solstice. The Mother never remarries, nor does she has anymore Children. She stays a Virgin. Meanwhile Jesus has at least 6 Siblings... somehow.
I am convinced. The story is clearly true.
Situation that's puzzling to me: only two gospels mention Jesus' birth. Matt. puts it around King Herod the Great time ( 4 BCE ), Luke says during time Quirinius was governor of Syria ( around six CE ) ??? Matthew says they had to split to escape killing of first born. Luke says Joe had to return to Bethlehem, for the census ( what if they did a census like that now a days? I'd have to go to North Carolina from Alaska to be counted ). Then there's the part about the wise men ( spies sent by Herod ) in Matthew. In Luke, no wise men in Luke, all about them shepherds and the angel with the heavenly host. Are we seriously talkin' about the same guy here?
I still wonder why 3 Zoroastrian priest would care about the King of the Jews
What a vile video to show children. There is so many things wrong with it, there is no way to address them all.
The gospels themselves make it clear that Jesus was not the product of immaculate conception. In order to fulfil prophecy (obviously) Jesus had to be from the line of David and so two gospels give his genealogy, albeit somewhat differently. If Joseph wasn't the father, none of it was important and if God was the father, then the prophecy failed because he wasn't from David's line.
My hypothesis is that Mary actually did the humpty-bump with Joseph before the engagement. That would explain why he didn't bat an eyelash at her outlandish story.
i love how it's "the story of christmas", yet all anecdotal evidence points to jesus' birth being some point in spring or early summer. they just arbitrarily decided to hijack christmas from the pagans because it was a holiday they already celebrated anyway
exactly
Please balance the sound levels. I have to keep dashing for the volume control every time this switches between you and the video you're discussing.
The animation is a hot mess 🤣🎄🎅🏻🦌🥁🎁.
The makers put the two different nativity stories of Matthew and Luke on one pile. But Matthew writes for the jews whereas Luke writes for the gentiles. And what a bunch of made up "facts" 🤦🏻♀️.
In Matthew an angel comes to Joseph in a dream. In Luke the angel just visits Mary during the day. Nobody says what an angel looks like. Luke doesn't say how many shepherds and he makes them go straight to baby Jesus. Matthew's wise men are astrologists, who've undoubtedly been watching the night skies for some time. But they had little clue about where to find Jesus or they would not have sought out the ruler of the land to look for him.
Luke also makes Mary put Jesus in a manger because there wasn't room in the house. What is translated as 'inn' was nothing more than 'spare bedroom', probably in the house of one of Joseph's relatives. So they went into the partition of the house where the animals were housed. Matthew doesn't even mention the census and they never went searching for a place to stay.
And so it goes on and on. I don't know how I managed to get it so wrong myself for decades. But when you're taught a story in this manner at a young age it sticks with you. That's why I rather teach about Santa Claus because it doesn't matter to be correct there. It is an ongoing fairy tale that can be tweaked from year to year and even from book to book. Just as long as he brings his presents all is well 😂😂.
Happy Boxing Day and may the New Year bring all you hope for and provide you with the opportunities that make your endeavours succeed 🥂🍾🌠
Fun fact, it was a common Jewish tradition of claiming young betrothed virgins who became pregnant before the marriage were miraculously impregnated. Thus "virgin" births 😉☺️😆😅😂🤣
I always assumed it was the uncle or their own father or brother in declining likelihood in that order because statistics. Imagine being christian in an age of information. Or worse, imagine being a god and requiring people to believe against all evidence. It wasn't exactly completely unknown that most teen pregnancies were caused by a relative. But no one did nothing because they're all respectable and good people and we need cohesion more than truth, or good mental health of victims. Looking back at the time they lived in I can't even really blame them for wanting a strong family/community over the health and safety of an individual, but holy shit, maybe carve a mace and sleep with that in your bed.
And I will call mine Johnny and when he's not keeping me safe, he's keeping me company :p
@@stylis666 Whilst I agree with all your points, why did you not include the most likely culprit?
Namely her fiancé. That seems more likely than a relative as I did specify a betrothed virgin, which is what Mary was according to the Gospels. Assuming the story is in anyway accurate, it would account for Joseph going along with Mary's claim.
Which is more likely, two young people getting up to hanky panky before the wedding* or a complete suspension of the natural order of things?
I say the former.
*Apparently, in many parts of rural Judea it was quite common for betrothed couples to have to wait for a Rabbi to come and perform the marriage ceremony. Thus, it was quite common for the girl to become pregnant before their marriage.
@@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 _"...why did you not include the most likely culprit?
Namely her fiancé."_
Good point. Probably because the option didn't occur to me and I think the story says that Mary told Joseph about the baby/rape and that this was news to him that she needed to explain to him for it not to be adultery. But sure, it could've been a discussion about how to proceed with Joseph knocking her up before marriage.
And it's the bible, how can you knot assume the worst and most ridiculous and exclude the most logical? I don't feel guilty about that :p
But honestly, these are ad hoc possibilities. I don't know why I excluded Joseph as an option. Knowing myself, it's probably the latter: assuming the worst and most ridiculous from the bible :p
But you're right, if it's not all fiction, it's likely Joseph's child. That would explain why Mary wasn't stoned to death and why her horseshit excuses were accepted as true.
Given how much later these stories were written, I have to go with: complete and utter horseshit though and I see no reason to include Joseph as an option because it's too bland. Makes for an even worse story than it already is. I gladly accept that Joseph is a cuck :D So even when I consider real life options as explanations, I really don't consider any of the characters real or human. I don't really care to be that consistent unless we have reason to believe that the events described and the people in it are real.
For all we know they were already on their way to a place they had no reason to be and the donkey got her pregnant and Joseph made up the angel bit to make it seem like a more acceptable interspecies love triangle.
@@stylis666 to be honest, I tend to agree with you. The whole story makes little sense and I doubt anything written about the birth of Jesus is true.
And then Gabriel went to heaven and did a comback 632 years later and told Muhammed to star a new religion.
Now who's who, again?
Depicted as a caucasian male with a beard
Confirmed modern sightings are few, if any
Regarded as totally benevolent
Unknown or questionable origin
Ageless
Dwells far away in an inaccessible place
Can fly through the heavens
Performs many miraculous feats
Assisted by magical beings & animals
Accepts food offerings
Sees you at all times
Monitors one's behavior
Loves children
Bestows gifts if you're good
Denies gifts if you're not
Associated with specific holidays
I wonder how Christians would react to a man from that part of the world, from that time , suddenly appearing to them .
is it the christian god? wait, no its Santa?
Maybe it is the christian god?
I honestly prefer the biblically accurate angels. Saying to not be afraid makes a lot more sense then and would be funny as heck in this video.
The historically correct angels have no sex ( actuallly they are neither male nor female) and send out such a bright light, that nobody could stand to look at them). And they usually don't like humans very much....
@@lincolnsixecho51 throw in the many eyes and wings and you have an Eldritch horror. It makes Bible passages infinitely more fun to read keeping that in mind.
@@LordTails Yes...it was wise, that Joseph didn't say, Gabriel should stay away from his wife. Archangel Michael slaughtered the whole suburbia of the egypt capitol and painted the walls with their blood! - You better not mess around with angels....
@@lincolnsixecho51 sounds like a phenomenal apocalyptic slasher film. I'd back that.
@@LordTails Oh, the script for that slasher movie already exists...its called "the bible"! You'll find it in "exodus 12": "Killing of the first born". "And the angel said: 'That night i will come over the families, walk through the streets and kill all their first born children....and i will do this to all - man and his cattle. But thou should mark your door with blood and when i see the sign of blood on the wall i will walk away"....
You can often find angels do such things in the bible. Must be some kind of "leisure activity" for them ....((🧟♂️🧟♂️🧟♂️🧟♂️🧟♂️))
Later the "bible-fans" gave such actions different titles, for example: "christian mercy" etc.pp.....
By the way: As far as i know, the christians are the only religion in history, that have chosen the picture of an instrument of torture, unbelievable pain and death (.... - the cross!) as the most important sign of their religion! - Imagine this: You tell the people, that your god stands for love, peace and tenderness - and then you tell them, that the sign for that religion is (... for example!) a 'gallows pole' or an "iron maiden"... ((🤣))....
The best thing with christians is their astonishing sick sense of humour......
It was very rare women would get pregnant before marriage, because as soon as they have their first menstruation they would be married and impregnated.
I never realised just how sus that whole story was till I heard this version. I guess child sexual abuse goes way back in the Catholic Church.
Mary was only 12. Joesph had to be in his twenties. WTF!
Sorry to correct you, as you asked, but Nazareth is in the Near East not the Middle East.
Parents who tell their children this bullshit rape story should have their mouths washed with soap and charged with child abuse.
A man with a beard is always judging me
I call him Dad
4:24 The way that Mary was dubbed reminded me of the voice actor of JC on Deus Ex. Combine with the extreme levels of euro/american centrism on the character designs, It makes me wonder when Mary gonna backtalk Gabriel and say "I'm not gonna stand here and listen to you badmouth the greatest democracy the world has ever known
", or "Do You Have a Single Fact to Back That Up?", which would be even funnier.
PS: I still laugh a whole lot on these quotes, they're way too good.
When I was a kid, I was taught Santa as a fun make believe story. I think if the story of Jesus was taught in the same way, parents and kids could have fun with it. But even when parents tell kids Santa is real, at least they are okay with the probability that the kid will eventually discover he isn't. Jesus on the other hand....
But maybe the people who wrote the script for this animation don't believe the Bible is true, because otherwise, if they thought their god was watching, they wouldn't have changed it so much.
According to the story in the Bible, Joseph, for example, didn't just accept what Mary told him. Instead, he was planning to end their relationship quietly so she wouldn't executed for what he apparently believed was a lie. But then he had a dream, and dreams are always true of course, so he married her.
The original story doesn't say it was a beautiful glowy angel who talked to them as they calmly listened. Otherwise, the angel wouldn't have had to tell them to not be afraid. Then, seeing they hadn't fainted yet, a whole gang of angels appeared and started singing. When did the angel tell them to go tell everyone? All I see in the original story is that the shepherds decided to go look for the baby.
The wise men came on the night Jesus was born? The Bible story doesn't say that. Instead, Herod supposedly had every baby up to 2 years old killed, "according to the time he had determined from the magi," or, "based on the wise men's report of the star's first appearance."
There's more, but I didn't write notes because I don't actually care if they changed it. But if they think the Bible is the word of their deity, and tends to be the case, THEY should care. I just wish they had ended by having the camera zoom into the star, revealing that it was really Tinkerbell.
There's also the fact that Jesus was most likely born in a cave, not in a stable
They did like zero research on the setting for this animation, didn't they?
It's just beyond bizarre that people buy into this story so completely. That somehow it's more plausible that all this happened vs 1) mary got knocked up by someone prior to marriage or 2) this part of the story was just pure fiction to fill in a back story for jesus the hero character.
Even from a back story filling purpose, it doesn't really work well for the narrative of Jesus as the Messiah, as the Messiah is required to be from the line of David, by Jewish prophetic standards, and Jesus would not fit the bill because of that.
@@chewxieyang4677 I agree, Joseph was related to David, not Mary. If joseph didn't supply the sperm Jesus isn't related to David. Done deal.
I really don't understand how any of this makes sense in a regards to reality. Then again, I used to think a fat old man in a red suit gave me toys.
Didn’t he have family or friends in the town he came from.
Forgot it was even about the story of Christmas until they said it at the end. And why would a glowing angle have a dress that shimmered in the moon light? Wouldn't the angle be brighter than the moon light
There’s a lot of undocumented “dialogue” in the story, what’s the source?
I dunno, I put ‘don’t be afraid’ right up there with ‘trust me.’ Sounds like a con. So the shepherds abandoned their flock? Unlikely.
White light? White Clothes? On A WHITE ANGEL, With Silver Wings?
AND A BIG DICK!
How wise were those wise men if they finked out this baby to herod.
Strange how angels have one set of wings when they had six or eight. And that was the antropmorphic angels. The really powerful ones were not even human, but great rings with eyes. But that might be hard for kids to believe perhaps? 3:)
How "wise" were these men in order to go to the ruthless King Herod and tell him his replacement has been born?!? So that King Herod would supposedly massacre a bunch of babies ( there is no evidence he did in real life. But this is a story). Why didn't an angel warn the men not to go to King Herod?!?
good question.
4:45 "he will be loved by everyone"
Which is exactly why he ended up crucified, everyone loved him too much, it became a nuisance as they couldn't concentrate on anything else.
Funny how the 'angel' failed to mention that part.
If Jesus was the son of god or the human embodiment of God himself, why did Jesus disappear after his birth and didn't return and begin to preach the words of God until he was 35 years old?
@@chrisgraham2904 : same reason you never hear from Gandalf again in Tolkien's 'The Hobbit' after chapter 2, he had an urgent matter to attend to, which turned out to be a necromancer to fight.
Jesus simply wasn't good enough at the time, and needed a lot of training before he could resolve the matter and resume his -cult leader- messiah activity.
Why are all these middle eastern people European?
That's the thing, of course they teach that this is true. It's even more egregious when you compare how much they change from the source material so that kids will believe.
You’re doing the lady’s work; leaf be upon you
The whole story is interesting, and the idea of not judging something by its roots is really lovely… but I still can’t subscribe to a faith without science. Ugh. Also, my father is Mormon, so perhaps your kid can tell him to stop being scary with the Bible stuff haha 😂
It might help to point out that each gospel was written with a different aim. Matthew and Mark wrote for the jews, Luke and John wrote for the gentiles. Mark and John let the vocation and anointing take place at Jesus's baptism. Matthew and Luke make Jesus anointed from birth. Matthew, Mark and Luke emphasize Jesus's earthly ministry, John goes full spiritual.
Among the synoptic gospels Matthew and Luke lean heavily on Mark. Mark was the first gospel to be written and had a different ending (at Mark 16:8) in early manuscripts from our current version (Mark 16:9-20 added). Mark was closely followed by Matthew and Luke. John was written quite some time after that as a result of people noticing that Jesus's generation had died and he still hadn't returned.
You could also point out the genealogies in the gospels. They deviate from one another. Matthew plays a magic trick using the numbers 3 and 7 (a multiplication by 2), and still manages to be off by one (41 generations instead of 42). The gospel writers are familiar with the Tanach and use motives from it to build their own story. Like the key figures Adam and David, and the Babylonian exile after the temple was destroyed the first time. They make Jesus says he will destroy it a second time and rebuild it in 3 days. They can make Jesus say this because they wrote their story *after the fact* (the gospels were written between 68-110 CE and the temple destroyed a second time in 70CE).
But from experience I know it's always difficult to try and argue with someone who is deeply indoctrinated. I wish you well with the interaction with your father.
@@DutchJoan That will absolutely not help at all. While that is extremely interesting to people looking at the bible for what it is, to believers, most don't give a shit about the authors. In fact, alot of them think god literally wrote it or that the chapter names are the author.
To break through to culties deeply indoctrinated, they have to be at least a little intelligent. That is just the prerequisite. Ain't gonna change billy bob's mind about his imaginary friend is all I'm saying.
Second, pointing out contradictions can get their gears turning.
Lastly, and this is actually what made me an atheist, *read the Bible yourself.*
Did anyone else not the change in pronouns for Gabriel at the beginning. First "it" was all in white, then with wings behind "him ". Was the angel male or ungendered? We wouldn't want kids to get the idea that angels could be female, would we?
Seriously, angels are supposed to be ungendered in Hebrew mythology.
Not the most important thing to object to in this thing, but still...
An empty barn? As in not being used by livestock? And it has fresh straw? Also, these angels are presented and described as majestic and non-threatening. Why does every angel have to tell everyone not to be afraid?
It makes a lot more sense if the angel appears in their true forms, eldrich horror like beings with the most humanoid having six wings covering their head, and feet (last pair to fly) and many angels having many eyes, or several heads of different species, or just being rotating rings of eyes, very fun. However most of the time they appear as humans (often not even WINGED humans, just...guys) and they still start like that...maybe out of habit?
There was no room at the inn because it was Christmas
you schould brend you as the "tick" that sucks out the bs out of ppl xD would be funny nice videos btw
as soon as a Camra was invented none of this has ever happened , funny that
I've never understood how you could follow a star to an exact location on Earth.
It is the work of GOD
The same was that you can locate a pot of gold by following a rainbow to it's end.
Polaris is roughly at the north pole, you work it out from there
@@VicariousReality7 How? How exactly could you follow a star to find a stable, or inn, or wherever it was that the three wise men went to?
Virtually every detail in this cartoon is made up by the animators. None of it is biblical.
Why do the characters appear to be white?
You know, "Gabriel" is the only named angel in Abrahamic scriptures, but doesn't this task shown in the featured animation seem out of place for God's right-hand man for killing people?
All of these characters must have dehydrated eyes, they blink so frequently. And why is everyone wearing makeup? Did all the females over 2,000 years ago, even angels, wear lipstick and eye shadow?
@@audiotyresup Recently watched a body language interpreter's video where they point out the rapid blinking could be a tell for lying.
how does it go ?
one young woman's lie about premarital sex that got way out of hand.
*GIRL'S?*
12 and under!
So much white skin!!! 😵
The addition of the wah-wah pedal guitar was wholly unnecessary, blasphemous and frakkin' hilarious. Conceptually Immaculate.
Why is everyone white tho?
*Why Did This Account Add So Many Lies?*
Things not written and totally different than the bible's story(lie)!
The wise men encountered A TODDLER! IN A HOUSE!
:- )))))) the ninth, NINTH! word is already an assumtion :- ))))
04:45 Gabe is lying: I don't love junior. Even if I am the only 1, he is loved by everybody - 1.
and that census never happened, and it never could happen. It would be useless, illogical, and a logistical clusterfukk even today!
well skep, at least in catholic mythology, Mary was concieved in her mother without the sin of eve, so she wouldnt have had to go thru birth pains. she very well was supposed to MAGICALLY give birth, im thinking kinda like a chest burster but magic energy glowy
So, here's what the Bible actually says (the original documents, not the mis-translation that everyone says is real)
Joseph was Jesus' father.
Mary was childless (not a Virgin)
Jesus would be called the Son of God
Jesus never called himself the begotten son of God, but called himself AND EVERYONE ELSE the Children of God
Now we have a story about an ordinary bloke who milled about preaching about God. He started to gain a following and those in power saw their influence decrease. So, they killed him.
So, now it all makes complete sense. Cool story, bro.
It’s so funny to think of the real, and more likely story if it actually happened (which there’s no good evidence that it did). The story we see and hear: Mary was a willing and courageous servant in God’s son’s saving of the world. The more likely story: Mary wasn’t a virgin and effed around on or with Joseph (before marriage) but fabricated an elaborate story to get away with it. No one bought it except gullible Christians during and after Jesus’ life. When I was a Christian, back in 2008 in rehab with a Jewish roommate, I remember my Jewish roommate said something so true yet obviously offended me at the time: “Do you know why Jesus thought he was the son of God? Because his mother was Jewish.” Lol
Huuh. That original sound doesn't sound creepy *_at all._* Sounds exactly like someone trying to grooming a victim. Also, it seems about 90% of that narrative is nowhere to be found in the bible or even contradicts it. And -- why is this taught to kids? May I remind you of the example of Catholic priests? Yeah. (That could have sounded very different? Why, would the "adult music" make it sound ok?)
The narration does not even match the pictures. "Joseph walked behind them." Except he's only shown beside them.
Wait, female angels? I'm sure I'd have noticed those if they were in that book or any secondary or tertiary source I'm aware of.
Which is more believable - that a supernatural being impregnated a human (cross-spieces mating rarely works let alone non-corporial ones), or that a Jewish girl lied about being a virgin? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I know which one I'd pick.
Ok now THIS is just offensively white...
Edit saw someone once say: "Jesus didn't have dark skin, he was jewish!"
smh
I always feel like somebody's watching me. And I got no privacy ooohO
What is my point about teaching these things to kids?
If parents teach kids in any religius ways (except, when you explain them that adult people are believing in bullshit like gods, angels, etc) (kid=under 18/21 years of age), you should be concidered as a child abuser, and your kid should be taken from you, and you should go to prison for at least 10 years. No matter what religion.
The rapi...angel found three guys traveling. Ah, the angel breathed, some suckers to pay for the girl he bedded...
The story of Christmas is about how the Romans celebrated Saturnalia, which took place in December, from the 17th to the 23rd(it grew to this length by the first century). They celebrated the god Saturn by basically having parties, feasting, and giving small gifts, as well as the customary animal sacrifice. The story of Christmas then continues to when Constantine used Christianity to grab power for himself and rule all of Rome, banning his own gods to adopt another, changing his peoples' holiday into another religion in order to get people to convert faster. 'See? We still have it, we will just call it something else and say we are celebrating one thing even though that one thing didn't happen at that time of year. Easy Peazy.'
That is the story of Christmas.
In Bethlehem pink eyeshadow and lipstick was compulsory, regardless of gender. Also, donkeys were super happy, for some reason.
This animation feels like it came from some horrific bizarro universe where Darkmatter2525 makes unironically bland Christian animations for children.
"The three wisemen were aware of the prophecy of Jesus". Christian writers of documents (designed to control the narrative of christianity), did everything they could to tie the "story of Jesus" in to known passages in the Old Testament, that were being repurposed from the original meanings, to make them fit this new dogma. Otherwise, the whole story would unravel. Jewish worshippers apparently still don't believe there is a connection, but Christians have bought the story completely.
I never knew light hair, light skin, and blue eyes were so prominent in the ancient middle east. ⭐The More You Know 🏳️🌈