My 2 cents. I would definitely buy some speakers, even if you have a shitty room, just to rest your ears. Working crazy hours with headphones is absolutely damaging to the ears and they are your most valuable tools as a musician and composer. So, mixing mostly in headphones if you have a bad room and compose with the speakers on as much as possible. As for the rest, I would really recommend buying Omnisphere if you have only one soft synth to use. Greatest bang for your buck software you can buy imo. Spitfire products are amazing, (I own all of them) but they're really specific tools and not as broad as a sampler/synth like Omnisphere. I also highly agree with Christian in investing in a great audio interface with great converters is a must. Apogee or RME will be the best investments, even if it's not apparent right away. Working with lower end interface will just slow you down in the long run, and slow your progression as a composer/mixer. Great vlog Christian!
I think he was saying if your room is shit - the speakers don't really matter. My room is shit, and I use regular desktop speakers which costed me under 50 quid. I really doubt there'd be a huge difference between these and studio monitors, because the space is just bad. Agree with you about working crazy hours with headphones. Think it's even probably bad for yout psychology.
Right -- even a low-end pair of "studio monitors" will give you a very helpful sonic perspective and a break from headphones. Good point about not going crazy $$ on them until you've fine-tuned your room. Also it's sometimes nice to be untethered from wires to your head.
Can you please explain why a lower end interface will slow you down? I've been using a Scarlett 2i2(1st gen) for like 10 years and can't find a reason to switch. Everything works perfectly, the preamps are insane for this price range (especially for studio recording but I've also recorded sound on set successfully and I wouldn't pay 3 times the price just for slightly better preamps). Also the Windows drivers are a dream compared to my Fireface UC at work whose drivers crash almost daily
+ 1 for Omnisphere. It is BY FAR the best bang for buck I own. ESPECIALLY for film stuff. You really don't "need" any other synth if you got omnisphere.
Christian, I use EastWest composer cloud (aspiring for full SpitFire library!) for affordability on a stock ASUS 8gb RAM desktop PC using only my Roland stage keyboard for midi and record it into Audacity by performing it and using my cell phone metronome for clicks. I can do very little as far as high quality productions or editing. HOWEVER...."having less resources" HAS made me very resourceful and original! Thank you, Christian, so much for your insight and wisdom that literally Spits Fire into the creative souls of us lesser composers/producers!! You are a rare and loved resource by aspirers like me!
thank your for this amazing video; it is even more relevant in 2022. Thank you for doing the legwork of reaching out to your network and sourcing well rounded perspectives. Keep up the good work. sincerely, the subber after watching this video
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Excellent resource for media composers - aspiring and established - thanks, Christian. As a media composer who's slowly built up their rig over time, I think I'm squarely in the Henson Camp. Where samples are concerned, in the beginning: GO DEEP, NOT WIDE. Focus your budget and your energy deep on GETTING TO KNOW ONE SAMPLE LIBRARY INSIDE AND OUT, rather than investing wide in a broad range of sounds. Develop an intimate knowledge of that one sound set - know what it does beautifully and compose into that. Know its limitations and compose around them. Crack open Kontakt (you'll need the paid version) and mess with the envelope, stretch and shorten and distort and filter those sounds into as many different elements as you can. You'd be amazed what you can make with just a piano sample (Simcock Felt Piano). If you do this you'll achieve a LOT of things at once: you'll save money, develop your skills as a composer and as a producer, and you'll inevitably cultivate a unique style for which your clients will seek you out. And as the gigs start to roll in, you can set aside room in the budgets for new sounds. Embrace your limitations! Go deep, not wide!
I made that mistake of getting too many samples to start rather than learning one deeply. Great advice. The number of sampled instruments or plugins won't make us better composers, just poorer.
So much good info here! Some added thoughts: 1) Because I can barely play "Heart and Soul" I felt really stupid buying an 88-key fully weighted piano for a keyboard (Casio Privia in my case) but I found one on sale and convinced myself I would finally learn to properly play piano. Well, about 18 months later I still haven't learned how to play piano, but wow it sure is great as a composition tool! I think it's synonymous with the tip to "get to know your sample libraries" -- being able to hit all the registers quickly and find voicings without pressing an octave key. Eureka. 2) I recently got a Mackie Big Knob Studio and I'm surprised there's not more love out there for it. Two clean preamps, build-in headphones mixer, lots of ins and outs, but still easy to use and way less than Apogee. 3) Yes to SM58/57 but I do find that studio folk know what they're hearing if you say you used a Rode. The NT1 is great for anything voice, but you need a very, very quiet room without a creaky floor or you will go insane.
I would double underline getting the labs libraries. You're donating to charity, but it's *you* who are getting the gift. They're universally awesome and a screaming buy.
Currently got a Dell Aurora i7 with 64Gb of ram and 4Tb of HD (about to add another 4Tb SSD), A Focusrite 2i2 (mated to a Deity S-Mic2 and my guitar at the moment), and a pair of Samson studio headphones. My DAW is Reaper, which I have loaded with tools from Izotope and Waves not to mention the outstanding Eventide Ultrareverb. The workstation is multiuse - I also model and render 3D and do a lot of Photoshop work and am working on building my Divinci Resolve chops, and my audio setup started with Voice-Over in mind (I am in a quaint little sound-booth I built that is superb). To that I have added a Kontakt S61 with a m-audio SP2 sustain pedal, which fits my studio perfectly (the S88 would have been too big - will have to wait for a studio upgrade), and I am already buying the nanoKontrol2 - happy to see that is on the recommended list. My sample kit is currently EW Hollywood Gold, Albion ONE, Spitfire LABS and various other neat sounding goodies I have collected. Am looking at the upcoming Spitfire BBC Symphony Orchestra product, though I may have to put that off for 2020. And that... is pretty much it. I need studio monitors, of course. And time to learn all this stuff. :)
I started with an mbox, macbook, protools LE, sennheiser cans, a samson C01, a guitar and a bass, and the waves rennaisance bundle in a tiny flat. One of my first compositions got picked up by a pampers ad campaign and from there I slowly upgraded with every placement, royalty check etc. Might not have been the fastest way but it worked and my gear now has some resale value! The Samson makes a lovely paperweight. Thanks again for the great channel.
I did! And then the upgrade to toolkit 2 with the unlock of TL Space Reverb! Avid really knows how to turn the screws. I was in Harare, Zimbabwe, so it was quite a challenge to find any products at all. I managed to find a publisher in Cape Town when I moved down here (after Zim's economy collapsed), they picked up my cues and got them out into the library world via Sonoton. Once I had a body of library stuff placed internationally I channeled that into building a half decent studio. All that is to say that at first I didn't really need to be frame accurate so it was just me and LE for a couple years before the toolkit reared its ugly head.
ha ha... this is a really useful story, maybe something we could introduce into this community 'birth stories' that give a broad overview of career path, but focus in on very pointless details like Pro Tools LE and why it cost thousands to get 5.1
About libraries: I just finished my MA Orchestration for films, and I spent months researching about different companies and sound quality during the program, I bought some other libraries that were ok, but I got my first Spitfire I could see that my life could be way better if I had chosen Spitfire from the beginning! So don't make a mistake I did for lack of information, if you love your music and value the time you work on your projects, don't wast your money in other companies, go with Spitfire! PS. I am sponsored by some of the most significant brands out there as an artist(electric guitarist), I have no sponsor from Spitfire, all I am saying is from the heart and my opinion comes from the great results of my orchestral projects.
Yeah I think of Spitfire as the best quality. I do own Audio Imperia and they have nice stuff. Also Heavyocity has Damage 2 which is a nice percussion package. But Yeah Spitfire will always have a special place in my heart lol.
I agree with the Scarlett range interfaces some chose, especially the second gen. Very good value for the cost and multiple configurations. Very good mic pres as well.
Do you guys know something that I don't when it comes to audio Interfaces? Because I would have thought that the best practice for a beginner would be to get headphones and plug them straight into the aux of your computer and just get started
To reiterate other peoples comments and just to big up Spitfire; the LABS sample packs are a massively generous offering which they should get more praise for. They are fantasic and you could argue that there's not much else you would need really. I mean..obviously we've all got more stuff but in a 'Desert Island' scenario and value for £ they are unbeatable. Thanks Christian and Paul FWIW I'm probably in a minority as I jumped from Logic to Ableton on an iMac..... Other stuff Focusrite 6i6 KRK Rokit5's Many sample packs, hardware synths, crazy music theory books (a nerdy passion of mine) vst's and alcohol.
I'm also going deeper into Ableton, but I never "switched." I still crack open Logic quite often and I think the two can compliment each other quite well. I helps that I haven't had to pay to upgrade Logic since buying it umpteen years ago, so no penalty for keeping it.
I have a special place in my heart for Ableton. I think it is great. I use Cubase but I think I will eventually get Ableton. My first DAW was Ableton 8 lite.It's probably good to multiple DAWs eventually if you end up collaborating with other pros. Ableton, Cubase, Logic and most importantly Pro Tools.
I have produced a full orchestral score for Shostakovich's Piano Concerto No. 2 using Spitfire Audio's free (if you don't mind filling in an easy questionnaire and waiting a couple of weeks) BBC Discover library - it is quite literally all you need to get up and running with orchestral composition and arrangement. It's absolutely awesome and that, combined with LABS, has made me a fan of Spitfire Audio for life. So much so that I have now pre-ordered the Abbey Road One Orchestral Foundations library. Thank you Christian and team - proof that some people do appreciate being given things for free! Chris
Haha, don't be too hard on yourself. There's a composer in all of us. Whether it's sampling a lawn mower or an orchestra. Crikey, for example Brian Eno manages to make a 3 second snippet of music last 15 minutes! Doesn't matter what you produce just enjoy it. Only a handful of people have what it take to make a business out of music I guess you've just got to be wired that way 😉
According to this i am poor,possibly never will afford equipment to start. However i do not give a damn,so my gear is: 10 years old PC(upgraded) worth maybe £100 M-audio Mtrack-£ 40(second hand) Citronic Monitors(discontinued)-maybe £80 Audio technica Headphones ATH AD500(discontinued)-£50(second hand) Evolution MK-149(very old midi controller:)-£ 40(second hand) Acoustica Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio -£140 Plus all free samples available on internet and those included in Mixcraft. I know it will not hold against any semi pro-amatour stuff but i can guarantee it is enough to make music-trust me.
Been a professional sound engineer for 12 years now. I think these are great lists to get people started. Of the audio interfaces I would recommend Paul's suggestion - the RME is worth it.
@Joe Smith Interesting post. You are not too far off, either. It is a shame, but the film industry has really taken a turn for the worse, and it started before the pandemic, about 2009ish, when the B-list filmmakers were wiped out, due to the Great Recession, i.e., it made it extremely difficult (impossible?) for the B-list filmmakers to raise money for their films. And, we film composers depend upon the B-list filmmakers as a very important part of our career path. From what I can tell, and from the word from my associates in the bigger cities, such as LA (Hollywood), the B-list filmmakers, who at one time were many, still have not recovered, after all these years. That leaves us with the A-list filmmakers who probably would not be interested in most of us and the C-list and student film community that have no money. So...yes, it is, indeed, a bit tough right now, and the Covid-19 pandemic whacked the industry down even further. Perhaps it is a matter of holding on, if your are young enough (I'm not), or finding another path in the music/audio business, as you say, Joe. It's really sad, too, as Spitfire is coming out with more and more incredibly sounding virtual instruments all the time. As Guy Michelmore (look him up on TH-cam) has said, at least in the past (and I paraphrase)...if you are just starting out, do not give up your "day job". Those were words of wisdom 17-18 years ago when I was a student, and I am grateful to Guy for those words and glad now at my age that I followed them. I have worked in five areas of work (not all in the music industry), and film composing is by far the most elusive, difficult, quasi non-business I have ever worked in, and I have worked in pressure-cooker technical businesses. My advice to anyone who might be reading this is: 1) follow Guy's words, 2) locate in or very near a big city where films are being produced (I am paying the price for not having done that...but my life is a happy one), and 3) (most important) secure your future and that of your loved one's with a real job, before you follow what might very well be that pipe dream that Joe has described. This is VERY important. You don't want to end up as a senior citizen, without a "nest egg," and depending upon the whims of some filmmakers who might be nothing more than just some goofy guys with a camera, instead of dedicated business men or women who have worked hard and studied the craft of film and actually have enough respect for music to believe that their composers should be paid. To all those reading this, I wish you the best in our industry, but please take care of yourself. There are a lot of filmmakers who really should be doing something else. They will expect you to work for free. NEVER do that. If you do, they will not respect you and will abuse you. Yes, it was a hard lesson for me to learn, and I don't want you to go through what I did. Respect yourself. Respect your fellow film composers by not working for free. If the filmmakers want to use canned, library music, it might turn out good for them, often it does not (I have examples of "not," but I will not post that). In the end, at least you avoided them, you know what they really think of film composers, and you saved yourself a lot of work for nothing. ONE LAST THING. If you have not already noticed this yet, you will soon enough. The music industry feeds on itself. If you worked, let's say, in IT, then your business would be to seek income by obtaining contracts/work from businesses OUTSIDE of the IT business. Yes, there are some businesses within IT that do support it, e.g., instruction, but the vast majority of income by the IT industry (or any other industry) is to find income outside of itself. But, the music industry and the film making industry in particular feeds off of those within the industry. It's staggering, when you think about it. I apologize for this long post, but I'm trying to simply help you avoid the mistakes I made.
Thanks for the great content Christian! I loved this video, it's basically a pat on the back for me, as I've started out quite similarly to these lists. Here's what I've currently upgraded to and use: (as a beginner) - HP Probook 430 G5 (Intel 8250U 4 cores, 8 threads, 32GB Crucial DDR4, 128 GB + 500 GB SSD) - Focusrite Scarlet 2nd gen 6i6 - Sony MDR 7506 headphones - Mackie CR4 speakers (they are quite crappy, but my room's even crappier, I just use it for composing and absolutely not for mixing) - Kurzweil PC361 keyboard (I've had this performance keyboard for a long time now) - Reaper as DAW (planning to upgrade to Cubase in the future for better FX's and CC automation) - Samples: - Spitfire Albion ONE (Obviously) - Orchestral Tools Berlin Inspire (I love the legato sections, the solo horn, solo trumpet and solo flute are beautiful, the unison 1st and 2nd violins are very useful, and it features timpani and harp as well) - Soundiron Olympus Elements (I just needed a basic choir) - FX: ValhallaRoom What I'm eyeing currently is Spitfire Chamber Strings and Spitfire Percussion, as I'd like to learn to write for strings properly and would love to use a proper timpani and I need some tubular bells in my life. :)
Core System : Macbook Pro i5, 256gb ssd. 2xLacie 2TB Thunderbolts. Logic X - composing. Pro Tools - recording. Scarlett 18i8, £260 price you can't beat for the reliability, build quality and the customer support rocks. Samson Tech Resolv monitors, cheap and do a good job. Sennheiser HD650 headphones - Christmas present to myself after the old HD85s which to be honest did the job perfectly but.... It was Christmas. Both open back but I found shifting the metronome up 2 octaves with the headphones turned down low works perfectly well. First mic was a cheap rip of SM57 but now its Aston mics. Once again, cheap in comparison to other microphones but definitely a challenger. Build quality is amazing and the customer support is brilliant and quirky. Thanks for mentioning the Crucial HDD. I've been looking for a cheapish SSD. Do you happy to know any that work with the old Thunderbolt 2 connections? One thing that was missing.... some sort of thunderbolt dock?
Its definitely been a tempting journey to invest in a lot of different libraries. I've come to a point now that I've realized just how expensive it can all get it. There are just a ton of different libraries with different themed pallets. It gets pretty exhaustive the amount of different sounds you can potentially put in a song/piece or what have you. I've "settled" for just sticking to the "basics" and over time I'll build the rest of my musical palates. This is great advice and I appreciate you and your wisdom. A little biased lol but I get it. I love Spitfire, its quality and it doesn't break my pockets.
Great stuff ChristianThe problem with starting out with Spitfire Chamber Strings (as per your recommended list) is that they are, err... only strings. So you need to recommend at least brass and percussion libraries as well, plus maybe woodwind for those quirky hardly-notice-they're-there cues? The good thing about SCS, which you are absolutely right to point out is that they are an incredible professional-level product that you won't get fed up with any time soon! I'd put the core sample-library products from Orchestral Tools, 8dio and VSL in that category too.My gripe with Albion One that everyone else has on their list is that you can't easily write for specific individual instruments, and part of what makes my music sound mine is the instruments I choose, combining together in novel waysBut good to see someone pointing out realistic costs for starting composers. £2K - £4.5K is not an insignificant amount of money up front, but it is easy to waste just as much money getting semi-pro or worse equipment.
why are you so cool? damn. I never got into contact with a lot of composers or audio engineers.. and. Idk. I always thought, i am the only one being such a freak. But. Hell you re cool. Subscribed. Love you. Will watch your entire channel content now.
Thanks for that Christian...what a good subject for the latest vlog. In fact, thanks too, to Homay for the heads up on the Korg Nano Kontrol 2. I've been looking for a decent compact portable MIDI controller with multiple faders and I'll be ordering one today. At home I use a FATAR Studiologic 2001....20 years and counting! I also use a Behringher UMX610 to play in synth / organ parts, where a full weighted keyboard just doesn't feel right, but it has no multiple assignable faders...just pots and a mod wheel, hence the need for the Korg (the keyboards sit opposite one another). I work on both PC and MAC, so it's Cubase for me and 9.5 is brilliant. I've been using Cubase since my ATARI days, so its like an old friend. All DAWs have their USPs and I like to be familiar with others, 'cos you feel like a tourist not speaking the local lingo when working in a studio with another DAW!....."What's the key control to record, stop, rewind...help......aaarghhh!". I know that you like the EX24 Christian (and I wish that there was a standalone version!), but I think that users may also be drawn to Logic because of the £250 subsidy by Apple! I can't justify using a main DAW that is OS specific (for PC or Mac). Something I'd like to share (for those on the move and working on both PC and Mac)....I found out the hard way that the only way to have read/write flexibility between PC and Mac on my SSD, was to format it in exFAT. For those of you that already knew this, please stop laughing at me......we all make mistakes...... Mine was initially formatted NTFS, so although I could read the projects on the Mac that were written on the PC, I couldn't write to the SSD....re formatting to exFAT solved the problem. I'll stop procrastinating now and get on with some work.............. :-)
Instead of the Yamaha P45, you should try the StudioLogic SL88 master keyboard. It's less expensive and the keyboard is awesome (it seems that Doepfer keyboards are using Studio Logic Mechanism...)
Oh the Shure SM58-LC will last for life, yes the mics life! ROFL I had a new one 15 years ago and used it less than a dozen times over a couple of years for short video tutorials. Never used on the road, never used in a band. Just on my computer table mounted on a one arm table mic stand. 7:12
I was learning and learning what I must start buying without spending and wasting for something I won’t use in future or won’t like it..... until I came across with your video!!! What?! All my problems are solved?! Just Awesome!!! So, I had most of the recommended gears... only need to buy Spitfire sound library, good headphones and faders 🎚🎚🎧 (my previous headphones were borrowed too 😉) Thank you for such great video with awesome tips!
Great advice Christian! I wish I got some of that advice when started out some years back. I would of saved some money and a lot of headaches. I guess that's part of learning process. I totally agree too on the Albion One. It isn't exactly just a starter library, as it offers so much more, but it is a great start with a first purchase with Spitfire. It's the first one I bought with Spitfire, and ever since all the rest my sample libraries now revolve around Albion One. I hear a lot of people saying the same. Great library! Btw, the Spitfire Labs are great gems....and that Labs Soft Piano is truly a must have thats for sure!
I have three setups - a Portastudio 24 for a no fuss/just hit record analog setup in my practice room, a Tascam 20x20 as the main digital interface, and my old mbox mini2 for mobile....but for mobile I"m considering just getting like a zoom recorder or something. Running a PC originally built in 2009 - so the mobo/cpu can use a definite overhaul. Also got a Surface Pro 4 that is intended for lightweight creativity so I have sheet music or orchestral performances on youtube on display alongside the portastudio and I use it for photography as well. I'd highly recommend fully weighted piano keys, a private practice room, and a way to practice without disturbing the neighbors (saxophone/clarinet/piano player here)
Good stuff Christian. For those without a beach or a volcano in the backyard I might suggest a stationary exercise bike for composers of an advanced age and appetite - just saying... cheers
Christian I'm sure you'll not be biased about this, because you're a good guy! What do you think about East west Composer Cloud Cloud, and more importantly subscription services? I think once you have physical kit the more expensive part can be the plugins, DAW. Virtual instruments etc. I'm a student studying Composition and Music production, and I'm currently paying about £12 a month for the sSlate plugins, which are just exceptional for the money. Im heavily debating getting Composer Cloud next, but I'm really into the Spitfire thing too...I think this is the way to go for Young and 'Up and Coming Composers'. I love the sound of Albion one, and the student discount is great but I think a subscription service for Spitfire would be the icing on the Cake!
And what's you advice when you can't aford any of these but your desire for making music is so astonishing?When,with any job you might have (in my country) you can't get enough to have these?
Most of you guys have mentioned smaller keyboard controllers like 49 or 61 keys. I am wondering how you deal with key switching without an 88 keys controller, or you may not be bothered by key switching because you edit everything after you played the music into whichever DAW you are using. Thanks for any feedback... Max T.
The information here is brilliant - I use Cubase on a MacBook Pro and am very happy with it, but wish Cubase didn't need the bloody dongle as it isn't something I always have with me and so reduces the benefits of having a portable setup.
Back in the day I needed a Video tape machine that could lock to blackburst, said blackburst generator to lock the studio together, vitc and smpte generators, fancy interface with smpte to MTC conversion, audio interface (Digidesign was the only game in town), decent computer, expansion chassis with DSP Farm cards, Synthesizers, 16 track ATR, Mixer, a Sampler or two, Reverb unit (AKG BX 10) a few mics, Logic, decent monitors (genelecs). These days...so much easier...
This I'd great information! Also type of processor matters as well. I for one use a PC with an i7 5th gen and it works amazing. The ram is 16gb. I wouldn't go to low on a processor say like a gen 2 i5 or a i3 (intel)
Mad, I just got a XPS laptop i9 32G ram, loaded. Still pondering a XPS desktop loaded instead of a full blown, expensive Precision desktop. Anybody have thoughts about XPS vs Precision...
This is the best advice. Most people will disagree but this is the truth. Macs are worth the investment and logic has some of the best built in sample library and sampler. It’s also the cheapest, full fledged software, no versions, no limitations on features like pro tools, FL studio and abelton, and it is one of the industry’s standard unlike reaper and cakewalk
And perhaps recommend any bags for all the lovely gears ? Which one you use ? Any good ideas ? I’m opting for mobility because I can’t really settle at the moment. Need a good shell for me to keep my stuff well stored out on the road.
I'd also advise being wary of 'incremental sample library purchasing'. Once you're setup with a good all round library like Albion One (or the composer cloud etc), if you do want to improve/expand your library palette, research as much as you can before making any more purchases. Even stuff that seems completely out of range. Then, if you can reach for something that you previously thought out of budget (but is considered better), save and buy it. I have numerous libraries that have been replaced by others, that were good but are now superseded, and now they sit collecting digital dust (If only I could get refunds!) The capabilities of sample libraries over the last 5(?) years has rocketed, and first time buyers are now in a fortunate position, particularly with all the generous sales that go on. Spitfire's in particular can make your money go much further.
I have 2009 Imac, my brother still has his 2009 macbook pro, but we needed to get a mac pro 5.1 with 64gb RAM to handle layers of kontakt multi outs and just projects that are layered up in general, as you well know. I think imac and macbook's are great for building up to around 30 tracks before the CPU goes mental. I really need to get a fader control to learn modulation, expression etc, but don't know if the old analogue mixers do that and how that is done. Not a massive problem cus the string patches in Komplete 10 don't have the expression and modulation to learn to new assignment. I really need to get chamber strings when we can afford to get it hopefully this year.
I started slowly a few months ago with Dell All in One PC 1Tb SSD external drives Cubase Elements 10.5 JBL headphones Focusrite Scarlett Solo Yamaha P45 Spitfire BBC SO Yamaha Silent Brass No mic yet No Speakers
well.... i dont feel it is a good entry product. It's fairly expensive and really alligns the user to spend big bucks on UAD plugins, which considering that some of the lists in the video didnt even include studio monitors, would probably be considered a distraction and waste of money. And I'm saying this as a twin quad mkII user!
I have a massive multi machine Cubase scoring rig. I bought the new UAD Apollo Twin and have loved it. I actually like the sound better than my Apogee Symphony system that I've used for years. I only record one or two mics at a time and love the mic pres with the 1073 Unity front end.
Oh I did! I love it. I used to be a hard core Apogee fan, had a Duet that I used for about 9 years. But after I heard the Apollo and saw what I could do with the UA plugins, especially the unison preamps modeling SSL and Neve channel strips, I switched and have never looked back.
A friend of mine suggest the UAD Apollo Twin and said it is capable of handling some of the processing which is normally done with the CPU on the computer. Is that true? This way, you won't need to spend money on a top mac pro
Add my vote for the scarlett 2i2 interface. Cheaply priced but it sounds great. I still have the one I bought when I started out over 6 years ago and it still works flawlessly.
Can I just add a recommendation for the new version of NI Komplete Kontrol keyboards. I bought the S49 (mainly because of space) at the end of last year and love it. I now play everything through it and it has great MIDI/DAW controls built in. Also, another vote for Focusrite for the Interface. I've been using the 18i20 for about 4 years now and I haven't regretted it for 1 second. Thanks Christian, for another great video .
Why not recommend the Apogee Duet? (Any technical reason?) It’s considerably more affordable. I love mine, lasted years and whole heartedly agree with the Apogee recommendation. +1 fr the AKG headphones also. Thanks for demystifying this question for everyone!
For me having more than 2 x tracks in gives it a greater 'tail', the ADAT in also allows for possible slaving. My wife has a duet on her system and its awesome though, totally agree...
Christian recommended a 'mobile' set up assuming that as an aspiring producer/composer you would be traveling a lot. Is this true? I know a few composers and producers but none that travel constantly. Almost all of them are stationary(home owners and such). Is it common for composers to move constantly?
There is a completely different alternative workflow to consider: Staffpad for composition: 90 Euros Purchase add-ons for Staffpad - Strings/Brass/Woodwinds/Perc/Soloinstruments for Orchestra by several vendors and Spitfire(there is a chamber strings version for Staffpad!): 99 Euro per section PC with 16 GB RAM and i7 or i9: not more than 1500 Euros Reaper DAW for mixing and editing: 70 Euros(evaluate as long as you need) Compose and have Staffpad export stems of an excellent mock-up. Edit in Reaper. Add hybrid scoring sounds from native instruments free and awesome starter pack for electronic and sample based music (komplete start). I guess you could achieve awesome results on a budget Edit: Komplete start is free You need pen input for staffpad, but it does not have to be from a tablet pc or iPad. I use it with a graphic tablet(xp pen pro) and that seems to work just fine
Dear Sir, I would love it if you could keep in mind the budget of a person just starting up as a composer and recommend tools of the trade accordingly. Windows as opposed to Mac can be a life-changing option for us!
Mac Studio M1 Max 32 gigs, Orchestra 2, EW Hollywood orchestrator, action strings 2 action strikes and Logic quartet or Duo by Apogee. I ran 128 virtual instruments no problems, These are my picks.
I am now doing this having made do, partly due to terrible buying decisions, for years. However, I ended up buying a Razer Stealth 13 instead of a Mac (Ice Lake 10th Gen i7, 16gb) and all I'm getting are pops and clicks. Just want to cry.
Nice to see Nektar getting a mention, though I do think there are issues with the touch sensitivity on their keyboards. Would anyone suggest which setting to use?
For people looking for a windows setup, Dell XPS 13/15 are great choices and are amongst the few laptops that can actually come close to Apple's MacBook Pros in terms of build quality. Also for a kinda high-end interface, the UAD Apollo twin is a great choice, with great quality and it's very portable. Thanks for the video mate, very good content as usual.
I recently got a Dell XPS 15, just before Christmas, for doing audio work such as film & game music. Apart from some of few issues regarding the pre-installed and terrible Realtek sound drivers, if you have a decent audio interface such as an Focusrite, it works pretty well. Unlike Apple laptops, you actually NEED to use a interface for this laptop, where as a Macbook you can kinda get away without one (even though its not recommended). So far, the laptop has been pretty good. Works well with Pro Tools also.
Great advice as ever Christian. Agree with everything except maybe a NI Komplete Kontrol S88 midi controller and a Avid Artist Mix - easily the best control surface for Logic currently available. (Got 2 off eBay). Apogee - absolutely. Other peoples choices of Focushite? Hmm....
Great advice! I'd really recommend the focusrite scarlet 2i2. Ive used it for a while now, it's very affordable and has great sounding preamps. My mic is a Rode NT1A, which is pretty good all round condenser. Keyboard wise, I love the Komplete controller (that's next on my buy list)
Totally agree w not using monitors at first- i use Grado 325 headphones, and almost TWENTY yrs later (!) I bought some monitors (Dynaudio Bm15's) but i dont use em for mixing cos my room needs treating (next expense!) - so they're at home used for my sampled pianos and playback of favorite music using a cheapy Audioquest dragonfly w ⅛" to L-R XLR's !! My main purpose was to record piano stereo so i bought the best mics, preamp and a-d converter i could buy - Soundelux u99's, Gracedesign Lunatec v2 (no longer in production) and now a Mytek 8x192 ADDA w a firewire daughter card (thunderbolt to USB-c into a MacBook Pro). Michal of Mytek fame VERY graciously upgradded my old DA w this newer ADDA for a very nominal charge. I have used DP for yrs since Altiverb ONLY worked w DP on a Mac when i started - and their midi timing is v precise - perhaps one day i will go w Logic! Thanks so much for these wonderful videos. im a new subscriber Im an expat from London and love all the uk scenery and people
Damn. I bought Albion one as a entry library but wish I bought Chamber strings after some time, Why didn't I watch this before?!?!?! I also have the nektar MIDI keyboard and I highly recommend it over cheaper ones (it's still really cheap). It has a really nice feel to it
Thanks very much for the video and for sharing your knowledge! But I'd say don't waste money on Apogee right from the start! I've been using a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 1st Gen for 10 years now and that thing is a tank. I've been using it for recording in studio, on film set with a laptop, at home, on holiday etc. And I still can't find a reason to switch it. Everything works like the first day and the drivers are impeccable nowadays. And I've heard the 2nd gen is even better. Also you could also get started with a PC and something like PreSonus Studio One which is much cheaper and packs a lot of features (also has video support).
I found a pair of IK Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitors. They go for around 280 a pair. And i have to say they sound impressive, i do my rough mixes and arranging on them before i go to my studio to finish it on my main monitors.
I've used a lot of DAWS in hobbyist and professional capacities over the years, and I can't imagine using anything but Reaper at this point. I switched over for my personal stuff 10 years ago, and haven't even had another oen installed since around 2016 (not counting ReNoise, which is a whole different thing). Runner up is Nuendo. Pro Tools was easily the worst, at least v8 to v10. At least a decade behind all of the competition.
Hi everyone! I learned a lot from this video but I'm wanting to ask a question about drives and latency. In this video Christian recommends getting a 1TB SSD. Is this suggestion meant as an internal drive upgrade? As I'm setting up to do this I'm wondering, can I store VSTs on an external drive and use them from there without latency? Do I need an internal drive large enough to store all of my VSTs, or is there another option if I want my performance to be without latency? I'd be extremely appreciative to anyone who might be able to clarify this for me.
To the best of my understanding, you would store the sample libraries on the external hardrive, but the player, eg. Kontakt or Komplete, should be installed on your internal drive.
It did? I have also been struggling hard with motivation and for a long time. I don't what I can do to change it. It's like something stops me sometimes.
@@iseeu-fp9po the best advice i can give is to see your work as a relaxation for sometime instead of thinking about the profit of the product or quality... do it Just for the sake of doing it or for relaxation... Cox if you don't seek motivation somehow you will find it.
Excellent but now 2 years ago! Arturia have the keylab essential range with 88 affordable price £350 that can be thrown when you finish with it. Yamaha and Korg NanoKontrol 2 would cover all instruments. Interesting that only Christian went for 88 keys, Paul, Homay, Stanley went for 61 and Oliver obviously doesnt understand keyboards for Orchestral. Given 2 octaves missing leaves out flutes and piccolos, Xylophone, Chimes and the upper part of the Harp, shouldnt you all be recommending 88 keys??? Faffing with 2 octaves with octave buttons is a bit well clunky and dont you use 88 now, I know Paul has Physis 88. Also providing the key bed can do the right velocity (as my old Novation Launchkey can) isnt that important choosing the keyboard. Guy Michelmore uses 88 and a few use 61 but dont use the instruments I mentioned.
Well, I have a iMac 5k i9 with UAD quad core as my Audio interface. Use both Pro Tools and Cubase pro user (iPad Pro for touch screen) with a NI 88 Smart Keyboard with machine jam for just the faders (gives me 64 faders options). Sounds, I have all the good toys such as; Albion One, Cinematic’s Studios libraries, NI komplete kontrol, with EW composer’s cloud and a good pair of head phones. Lastly, a nice comfortable chair to seat in most people need to understand you will be seating down for long periods of time so investment in a chair will help in the long run. One more thing, invest into a gym membership most my ideas comes when I am working out 🏋️♀️ as it keeps your mind clear of foolishness ideas. Plus, without ones health you have nothing.
NED SYN-CLAVIER 2 is a must have. They are extremely expensive and so is the Moog Synth. 150k some where around there. Both are extremely expensive but well worth the money. Esp if you are in the music film business. I remember when I first got on one at Full Sail back in 1992 it was the most amazing instrument I have ever heard.
An idea for you in the future Christian would be to start a kit (dot com account) to help people learn about the production of this vlog. You can keep an updated inventory of what tech goes into the channel should people be curious. Well..when I say people I mean me, haha.
I doubt he'd want to invest time in that, so instead I offer to the entire community the ability to build a profile and "historical list" over at equipboard.com/ Anyone can contribute to the reporting of gear used by Christian on the equipboard profile, and references will help with authenticity and fact-checking.
Excellent video. I'm a riff creator so my favourite instrument is the piano. Many will work from a certain sound which limits the progression of organic music and will never be a classic. We're in a era where money is more important than legacy. We would be lying if we said today's kids are crazy about music the way we were in the seventies or eighties.
I think a good approach (and I have to credit Rick Beato and his channel for this advice) this is assuming you already have a computer and invested time in training and a DAW (i use PC and Cubase btw), invest most of your money in the source i.e. the instruments (or in this case the libraries) the higher the quality the instrument (or library) the better it will translate into the rest of your work flow. The next most important thing is mics (SM 58s and 57s are great! I also recommend the RODE NT1A). I would think headphones and monitors are next, you can treat a room to sound nice, so turn your shit room into a nice room. After mic and headphones, pre-amps (or in this case a good interface) would be next. I still use my old presonus audiobox. I think it still serves it's purpose for me. But I might get something from UAD soon. Where I am torn is the keyboard. I have a old MAudio Axiom Air 32 key. I think Necktar look nice, they are relatively cheap. But as they say, buy nice or buy twice. I've been seriously looking into a hammer action 88 key. I notice Christian and some of the others use the Doepfner (or however you spell it) keys, they look rugged like they would last forever. But I'm torn whether to get the Komplete Kontrol S88 MK2 since it integrates well with NI and NKS libraries. I think the screens and stuff with the S88 MK2 might be something that breaks eventually, but the keys have LEDs that match the Kontact Player guides for each instrument. The Doepfner dont have lights or screens, they are built into a hard case with a cover. They look like they would last and take the abuse. You could probably run over them with a car and still use them fine. Either way both of those are very expensive. They are out of stock too. So it might be the Necktar for me after all haha. Either way time to upgrade, my 32 key is too small.
A cheap AMD Ryzen PC but with 8 or more cores and min, 16 GB Ram and 60 USD for REAPER will save a grand. and is in my eyes way better then a Mac and Logic.(been there)
Definitely. IMHO I think Apple hardware is some of the most over-priced, non-compatible garbage out there. It's anti-consumer at its core, and why I will always refuse to give Apple any money. The only instance that I would ever consider trying to work with a Mac OS is by having a virtual Mac OS on a windows or linux laptop or PC.
my two cents, but one of the nicest string sounds I have is the Spitfire originals epic strings long, layered over the labs long strings. Also, the BBCSO Core is out now, and cheap enough to be a viable replacement for Albion one - you don't really need the pads of Albion, given that most daws have some kind of virtual synth built in that probably has pads apleanty!
Where can i enroll to learn how to make... Music for film and tv... From scratch... I have no idea... Where to start please... Help me... I need to learn from basic to advanced... I am ready to give myself next three to three years... Dedicatedly. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
So good and so helpful, brother. I would love some help understanding external hard drives and how to use them properly/efficiently. When you are downloading a library like Albion or Chamber Strings, do you keep them on the external drive? When you are using it in Logic, are there any latency issues in real time? I'll take any help and tips, it's all completely foreign to me!
my 2 cents as I've had most of the gear that they listed, at £4.5 k, christians version made more sense to me, for what your getting its a surprisingly small figure, definite apollo instead of the apogee, many great free uad plugins to get you up to scratch quick n get things done)) great video
Great stuff,Christian.I think thats a Little bit expensive for me.I will create a budget-studio to earn some money first.What for stuff would you recommend me to acquire?
I agree. you get literally everything including the strings and orchestral sample libraries. great starting point and gives you tools across the whole range, not just orchestral stuff
Another thing which I find highly frustrating, is how the latest version of NI's Kontakt is 64 bit only (or at least on mac). When I bought my new MBP (now already 4 years ago), 64 bit was only slowly taking over, and I had no real need for it. Now I can't update to the latest version unless I do a completely new install. On Windows, you still have 32 bit versions I believe. This annoying stuff means I also can't buy any new Spitfire libraries, only older ones.
btw..Any chance of a nod to the north and create a Yorkshire inspired brass band/grimethorpe-esq collection...? I shall get you a chip barm if you do;)
Thanks Christian, very useful. I use a ton of Spitfire Audio samples and my 2012 MacBook Pro with 16GB Ram isn't quite coping with it anymore (I use Pro Tools though, maybe it has something to do with that). I was considering getting a Mac Pro but now I've seen this vlog I wonder if a brand new high spec macbook pro might be just as good, if not better?
So seems like 88 keys not necessary? Christian was the only one with 88. Does that mean a lot of octave switching on the keyboard with Spitfire or not really? Obviously must depend on the instrument. Anyhow I guess 61 must be fine. My main midi keyboard is an Arturia KeyLab MK II 61 key, but have a Yamaha P80 for practicing piano on, which I really like. The idea of using a simple P45 plus a NanoKontrol2 is appealing for simplicity and nice feeling keys (the KeyLab 61 has synth like keys, the 88 is better). I have thought of getting a Doepfer LMK4+ and building into a desk so I can pretend I am Hans Zimmer ;-) ...but no, will not do that. Also noting that "everyone" in the Spitfire world seems to use Logic (or Cubase). I have Logic but use Ableton. Doesn't really matter which you use I think. I have Albion One and love it, but the Labs stuff is really great and use that a lot. Seems like Albion One is the top choice for "if you only get one Spitfire library". I had been using a 2015 Macbook Pro but just switched to an M1 Air (the 2015 died), which is working fine. It won't be faster until Ableton and other things are native on M1, but it's fine for now. IMHO you don't need a Pro, the Air is fine. I think it is perhaps a good idea to invest in the fastest USB external drive to store libraries. I use this one: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0786QNSBD?th=1
If I was to spend £4,500 on gear, I think I'd spend maybe £200 on audio interface and £1,000 on a PC, and instead spend around £2,000 on various software synths and effects, such as Komplete, Omnisphere, various Fabfilter plugins etc. You'd get a much broader palette of sounds that way and be able to cover more diverse styles of music.
I would say spend 1000 on software VI's and 1000 on things like piano lessons, a decent mic, etc. It's really easy to buy boatloads of VI libraries, but they sure as hell won't make you a better composer when starting out. Often the opposite, in fact.
I am at an impasse. I have fought and fought to keep windows as a mainframe, but I must have wronged Bill Gates in a former life, as I increasingly spend more of my time making windows behave, than I do producing music. I have used Cubase (Cakewalk before that) all my composing life, so I don't want to change DAW, and am pretty flexible in my loyalties to Sample Libraries. But having changed from Android to Apple iphone for the first time last year, I am increasingly being driven to a Mac Pro. I may have to sell a kidney and some old gear to do it, but I can get a referb for a good price on eBay. Christian, this is your fault, but at the same time I thank you for making me decide. I have learned more from your vlogs this year, than I had in 10 years before. Please keep them coming, even if you just rant, but also take a leaf out your own book and look after yourself.
I've switched to Apple around 12 years ago. I've always loved using their stuff, though their prices have gone sky high. I seriously doubt my next studio computer will still be Apple. There are downsides to using mac. First one I can currently think of is they only make 64 bit versions for Kompakt. (See my reply above for more.) Hoping to build a hackintosh some day in the future.
Hey Christian, I seem to remember a while ago you saying you were ditching Logic for Cubase. But it seems you are back with Logic (as well as the ubiquitous Pro Tools). Why is that, did version X bring you back or did you end up hating Cubase? Just curious...
Hi Christian! Hope, you reply to that... How do you setup your software and session files? Do you place all of them on the SSD? Or are you running the software on the Mac, sounds on SSD and the session files on HDD? Or some other kind of arrangement? Looking forward to your answer! All the best, Simon
Its the music industry and More is More! In my opinion, start out with a small system that you can understand and slowly build the system to become more functional. The equipment is important but now the process of recording and how to listen to what you are doing is more important. Use reference tracks of music you are familiar with to ensure you are hitting the right sound. Be a student of the process and learn from the pros. Record with a minimum of tracks and don't record 140 tracks and expect to be able to mix it proper, you can't. The art of recording is a life long adventure of learning, I've done it for 45 years and I am still a student.
I think it will be nice if you made 2020 update video for this topic
agree, plus the labs are very different now too
@Brady Westin NOPE. We don't care. And, you are a dipstick for posting it on this presentation.
A 2021 update would be amazing!
Or a 2024!
My 2 cents. I would definitely buy some speakers, even if you have a shitty room, just to rest your ears. Working crazy hours with headphones is absolutely damaging to the ears and they are your most valuable tools as a musician and composer. So, mixing mostly in headphones if you have a bad room and compose with the speakers on as much as possible. As for the rest, I would really recommend buying Omnisphere if you have only one soft synth to use. Greatest bang for your buck software you can buy imo. Spitfire products are amazing, (I own all of them) but they're really specific tools and not as broad as a sampler/synth like Omnisphere. I also highly agree with Christian in investing in a great audio interface with great converters is a must. Apogee or RME will be the best investments, even if it's not apparent right away. Working with lower end interface will just slow you down in the long run, and slow your progression as a composer/mixer.
Great vlog Christian!
I think he was saying if your room is shit - the speakers don't really matter. My room is shit, and I use regular desktop speakers which costed me under 50 quid. I really doubt there'd be a huge difference between these and studio monitors, because the space is just bad.
Agree with you about working crazy hours with headphones. Think it's even probably bad for yout psychology.
Right -- even a low-end pair of "studio monitors" will give you a very helpful sonic perspective and a break from headphones. Good point about not going crazy $$ on them until you've fine-tuned your room. Also it's sometimes nice to be untethered from wires to your head.
Can you please explain why a lower end interface will slow you down? I've been using a Scarlett 2i2(1st gen) for like 10 years and can't find a reason to switch. Everything works perfectly, the preamps are insane for this price range (especially for studio recording but I've also recorded sound on set successfully and I wouldn't pay 3 times the price just for slightly better preamps). Also the Windows drivers are a dream compared to my Fireface UC at work whose drivers crash almost daily
I agree. A cheaper set of monitors for composing and a nice pair of cans for mixing is a good solution if you don't have the best of rooms.
+ 1 for Omnisphere. It is BY FAR the best bang for buck I own. ESPECIALLY for film stuff. You really don't "need" any other synth if you got omnisphere.
I muttered "Chamber Strings" before you said it- such a great library!
Christian, I use EastWest composer cloud (aspiring for full SpitFire library!) for affordability on a stock ASUS 8gb RAM desktop PC using only my Roland stage keyboard for midi and record it into Audacity by performing it and using my cell phone metronome for clicks. I can do very little as far as high quality productions or editing. HOWEVER...."having less resources" HAS made me very resourceful and original!
Thank you, Christian, so much for your insight and wisdom that literally Spits Fire into the creative souls of us lesser composers/producers!! You are a rare and loved resource by aspirers like me!
Bro, get Reaper. Super cheap, but very functional DAW. Starts free, then only $60 after that.
A decent (self powered) USB hub else you're gonna run out of ports! Great lists, thanks for the tips all.
thank your for this amazing video; it is even more relevant in 2022. Thank you for doing the legwork of reaching out to your network and sourcing well rounded perspectives. Keep up the good work. sincerely, the subber after watching this video
So this guy gets up from his seat and goes to the bathroom on the airplane, through the door, you hear him say loudly:
"I DO miss our little chats in airplane bathrooms!"
What do you do?
Go and join him! :-)
Excellent resource for media composers - aspiring and established - thanks, Christian. As a media composer who's slowly built up their rig over time, I think I'm squarely in the Henson Camp. Where samples are concerned, in the beginning: GO DEEP, NOT WIDE. Focus your budget and your energy deep on GETTING TO KNOW ONE SAMPLE LIBRARY INSIDE AND OUT, rather than investing wide in a broad range of sounds. Develop an intimate knowledge of that one sound set - know what it does beautifully and compose into that. Know its limitations and compose around them. Crack open Kontakt (you'll need the paid version) and mess with the envelope, stretch and shorten and distort and filter those sounds into as many different elements as you can. You'd be amazed what you can make with just a piano sample (Simcock Felt Piano). If you do this you'll achieve a LOT of things at once: you'll save money, develop your skills as a composer and as a producer, and you'll inevitably cultivate a unique style for which your clients will seek you out. And as the gigs start to roll in, you can set aside room in the budgets for new sounds. Embrace your limitations! Go deep, not wide!
I made that mistake of getting too many samples to start rather than learning one deeply. Great advice. The number of sampled instruments or plugins won't make us better composers, just poorer.
This advice is so golden tho!
So much good info here! Some added thoughts: 1) Because I can barely play "Heart and Soul" I felt really stupid buying an 88-key fully weighted piano for a keyboard (Casio Privia in my case) but I found one on sale and convinced myself I would finally learn to properly play piano. Well, about 18 months later I still haven't learned how to play piano, but wow it sure is great as a composition tool! I think it's synonymous with the tip to "get to know your sample libraries" -- being able to hit all the registers quickly and find voicings without pressing an octave key. Eureka. 2) I recently got a Mackie Big Knob Studio and I'm surprised there's not more love out there for it. Two clean preamps, build-in headphones mixer, lots of ins and outs, but still easy to use and way less than Apogee. 3) Yes to SM58/57 but I do find that studio folk know what they're hearing if you say you used a Rode. The NT1 is great for anything voice, but you need a very, very quiet room without a creaky floor or you will go insane.
I would double underline getting the labs libraries. You're donating to charity, but it's *you* who are getting the gift. They're universally awesome and a screaming buy.
You know? Tonight I was very very sad...and so I bought my copy of Albion One. And now this video!
Looking forward to download it tomorrow!
Currently got a Dell Aurora i7 with 64Gb of ram and 4Tb of HD (about to add another 4Tb SSD), A Focusrite 2i2 (mated to a Deity S-Mic2 and my guitar at the moment), and a pair of Samson studio headphones. My DAW is Reaper, which I have loaded with tools from Izotope and Waves not to mention the outstanding Eventide Ultrareverb. The workstation is multiuse - I also model and render 3D and do a lot of Photoshop work and am working on building my Divinci Resolve chops, and my audio setup started with Voice-Over in mind (I am in a quaint little sound-booth I built that is superb). To that I have added a Kontakt S61 with a m-audio SP2 sustain pedal, which fits my studio perfectly (the S88 would have been too big - will have to wait for a studio upgrade), and I am already buying the nanoKontrol2 - happy to see that is on the recommended list. My sample kit is currently EW Hollywood Gold, Albion ONE, Spitfire LABS and various other neat sounding goodies I have collected. Am looking at the upcoming Spitfire BBC Symphony Orchestra product, though I may have to put that off for 2020. And that... is pretty much it. I need studio monitors, of course. And time to learn all this stuff. :)
I started with an mbox, macbook, protools LE, sennheiser cans, a samson C01, a guitar and a bass, and the waves rennaisance bundle in a tiny flat. One of my first compositions got picked up by a pampers ad campaign and from there I slowly upgraded with every placement, royalty check etc. Might not have been the fastest way but it worked and my gear now has some resale value! The Samson makes a lovely paperweight. Thanks again for the great channel.
Pro-tools LE, thems were the days, did you have to by the production toolkit, surely the most expensive software unlock in the naughties.
I did! And then the upgrade to toolkit 2 with the unlock of TL Space Reverb! Avid really knows how to turn the screws. I was in Harare, Zimbabwe, so it was quite a challenge to find any products at all. I managed to find a publisher in Cape Town when I moved down here (after Zim's economy collapsed), they picked up my cues and got them out into the library world via Sonoton. Once I had a body of library stuff placed internationally I channeled that into building a half decent studio. All that is to say that at first I didn't really need to be frame accurate so it was just me and LE for a couple years before the toolkit reared its ugly head.
ha ha... this is a really useful story, maybe something we could introduce into this community 'birth stories' that give a broad overview of career path, but focus in on very pointless details like Pro Tools LE and why it cost thousands to get 5.1
About libraries: I just finished my MA Orchestration for films, and I spent months researching about different companies and sound quality during the program, I bought some other libraries that were ok, but I got my first Spitfire I could see that my life could be way better if I had chosen Spitfire from the beginning! So don't make a mistake I did for lack of information, if you love your music and value the time you work on your projects, don't wast your money in other companies, go with Spitfire! PS. I am sponsored by some of the most significant brands out there as an artist(electric guitarist), I have no sponsor from Spitfire, all I am saying is from the heart and my opinion comes from the great results of my orchestral projects.
Same for me, after I bought albion I need change all strings in previous projects, and they sounds much better!
@@rushanaprincess How much were you guys paid by Spitfire?
@@bulentkamali arround 400 dollar for albion1
I stan!
Yeah I think of Spitfire as the best quality. I do own Audio Imperia and they have nice stuff. Also Heavyocity has Damage 2 which is a nice percussion package. But Yeah Spitfire will always have a special place in my heart lol.
I agree with the Scarlett range interfaces some chose, especially the second gen. Very good value for the cost and multiple configurations. Very good mic pres as well.
Do you guys know something that I don't when it comes to audio Interfaces? Because I would have thought that the best practice for a beginner would be to get headphones and plug them straight into the aux of your computer and just get started
To reiterate other peoples comments and just to big up Spitfire; the LABS sample packs are a massively generous offering which they should get more praise for. They are fantasic and you could argue that there's not much else you would need really.
I mean..obviously we've all got more stuff but in a 'Desert Island' scenario and value for £ they are unbeatable. Thanks Christian and Paul
FWIW I'm probably in a minority as I jumped from Logic to Ableton on an iMac.....
Other stuff
Focusrite 6i6
KRK Rokit5's
Many sample packs, hardware synths, crazy music theory books (a nerdy passion of mine) vst's and alcohol.
I'm also going deeper into Ableton, but I never "switched." I still crack open Logic quite often and I think the two can compliment each other quite well. I helps that I haven't had to pay to upgrade Logic since buying it umpteen years ago, so no penalty for keeping it.
I have a special place in my heart for Ableton. I think it is great. I use Cubase but I think I will eventually get Ableton. My first DAW was Ableton 8 lite.It's probably good to multiple DAWs eventually if you end up collaborating with other pros. Ableton, Cubase, Logic and most importantly Pro Tools.
I have produced a full orchestral score for Shostakovich's Piano Concerto No. 2 using Spitfire Audio's free (if you don't mind filling in an easy questionnaire and waiting a couple of weeks) BBC Discover library - it is quite literally all you need to get up and running with orchestral composition and arrangement. It's absolutely awesome and that, combined with LABS, has made me a fan of Spitfire Audio for life. So much so that I have now pre-ordered the Abbey Road One Orchestral Foundations library. Thank you Christian and team - proof that some people do appreciate being given things for free! Chris
You've got to be the right person to do this kind of work. Doesn't matter how much gear you have.
This is an amazing point! €50k+ worth of gear & software and I still can't compose... LOL
Haha, don't be too hard on yourself. There's a composer in all of us. Whether it's sampling a lawn mower or an orchestra. Crikey, for example Brian Eno manages to make a 3 second snippet of music last 15 minutes! Doesn't matter what you produce just enjoy it. Only a handful of people have what it take to make a business out of music I guess you've just got to be wired that way 😉
According to this i am poor,possibly never will afford equipment to start.
However i do not give a damn,so my gear is:
10 years old PC(upgraded) worth maybe £100
M-audio Mtrack-£ 40(second hand)
Citronic Monitors(discontinued)-maybe £80
Audio technica Headphones ATH AD500(discontinued)-£50(second hand)
Evolution MK-149(very old midi controller:)-£ 40(second hand)
Acoustica Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio -£140
Plus all free samples available on internet and those included in Mixcraft.
I know it will not hold against any semi pro-amatour stuff but i can guarantee it is enough to make music-trust me.
And you still got the most valuable thing which nobody can buy. Your strive and will. I wish you have success with it one day!
Mine is cheaper. Cheer up bro.
Been a professional sound engineer for 12 years now. I think these are great lists to get people started. Of the audio interfaces I would recommend Paul's suggestion - the RME is worth it.
So much fun, thank you guys for your advises... nice video!!
Hi Christian, it is now late August 2020 - Please can you guys update this video (if only quickly with a new 2020 list)
@Joe Smith Interesting post. You are not too far off, either. It is a shame, but the film industry has really taken a turn for the worse, and it started before the pandemic, about 2009ish, when the B-list filmmakers were wiped out, due to the Great Recession, i.e., it made it extremely difficult (impossible?) for the B-list filmmakers to raise money for their films. And, we film composers depend upon the B-list filmmakers as a very important part of our career path. From what I can tell, and from the word from my associates in the bigger cities, such as LA (Hollywood), the B-list filmmakers, who at one time were many, still have not recovered, after all these years. That leaves us with the A-list filmmakers who probably would not be interested in most of us and the C-list and student film community that have no money. So...yes, it is, indeed, a bit tough right now, and the Covid-19 pandemic whacked the industry down even further. Perhaps it is a matter of holding on, if your are young enough (I'm not), or finding another path in the music/audio business, as you say, Joe. It's really sad, too, as Spitfire is coming out with more and more incredibly sounding virtual instruments all the time. As Guy Michelmore (look him up on TH-cam) has said, at least in the past (and I paraphrase)...if you are just starting out, do not give up your "day job". Those were words of wisdom 17-18 years ago when I was a student, and I am grateful to Guy for those words and glad now at my age that I followed them. I have worked in five areas of work (not all in the music industry), and film composing is by far the most elusive, difficult, quasi non-business I have ever worked in, and I have worked in pressure-cooker technical businesses. My advice to anyone who might be reading this is: 1) follow Guy's words, 2) locate in or very near a big city where films are being produced (I am paying the price for not having done that...but my life is a happy one), and 3) (most important) secure your future and that of your loved one's with a real job, before you follow what might very well be that pipe dream that Joe has described. This is VERY important. You don't want to end up as a senior citizen, without a "nest egg," and depending upon the whims of some filmmakers who might be nothing more than just some goofy guys with a camera, instead of dedicated business men or women who have worked hard and studied the craft of film and actually have enough respect for music to believe that their composers should be paid. To all those reading this, I wish you the best in our industry, but please take care of yourself. There are a lot of filmmakers who really should be doing something else. They will expect you to work for free. NEVER do that. If you do, they will not respect you and will abuse you. Yes, it was a hard lesson for me to learn, and I don't want you to go through what I did. Respect yourself. Respect your fellow film composers by not working for free. If the filmmakers want to use canned, library music, it might turn out good for them, often it does not (I have examples of "not," but I will not post that). In the end, at least you avoided them, you know what they really think of film composers, and you saved yourself a lot of work for nothing. ONE LAST THING. If you have not already noticed this yet, you will soon enough. The music industry feeds on itself. If you worked, let's say, in IT, then your business would be to seek income by obtaining contracts/work from businesses OUTSIDE of the IT business. Yes, there are some businesses within IT that do support it, e.g., instruction, but the vast majority of income by the IT industry (or any other industry) is to find income outside of itself. But, the music industry and the film making industry in particular feeds off of those within the industry. It's staggering, when you think about it. I apologize for this long post, but I'm trying to simply help you avoid the mistakes I made.
Thanks for the great content Christian! I loved this video, it's basically a pat on the back for me, as I've started out quite similarly to these lists.
Here's what I've currently upgraded to and use: (as a beginner)
- HP Probook 430 G5 (Intel 8250U 4 cores, 8 threads, 32GB Crucial DDR4, 128 GB + 500 GB SSD)
- Focusrite Scarlet 2nd gen 6i6
- Sony MDR 7506 headphones
- Mackie CR4 speakers (they are quite crappy, but my room's even crappier, I just use it for composing and absolutely not for mixing)
- Kurzweil PC361 keyboard (I've had this performance keyboard for a long time now)
- Reaper as DAW (planning to upgrade to Cubase in the future for better FX's and CC automation)
- Samples: - Spitfire Albion ONE (Obviously)
- Orchestral Tools Berlin Inspire (I love the legato sections, the solo horn, solo trumpet and solo flute are beautiful, the unison 1st and 2nd violins are very useful, and it features timpani and harp as well)
- Soundiron Olympus Elements (I just needed a basic choir)
- FX: ValhallaRoom
What I'm eyeing currently is Spitfire Chamber Strings and Spitfire Percussion, as I'd like to learn to write for strings properly and would love to use a proper timpani and I need some tubular bells in my life. :)
Core System : Macbook Pro i5, 256gb ssd. 2xLacie 2TB Thunderbolts. Logic X - composing. Pro Tools - recording. Scarlett 18i8, £260 price you can't beat for the reliability, build quality and the customer support rocks. Samson Tech Resolv monitors, cheap and do a good job. Sennheiser HD650 headphones - Christmas present to myself after the old HD85s which to be honest did the job perfectly but.... It was Christmas. Both open back but I found shifting the metronome up 2 octaves with the headphones turned down low works perfectly well. First mic was a cheap rip of SM57 but now its Aston mics. Once again, cheap in comparison to other microphones but definitely a challenger. Build quality is amazing and the customer support is brilliant and quirky. Thanks for mentioning the Crucial HDD. I've been looking for a cheapish SSD. Do you happy to know any that work with the old Thunderbolt 2 connections? One thing that was missing.... some sort of thunderbolt dock?
Keyboard... Roland hp207e. Old and cheap, then a impulse 61 for the fancy midi stuff
Would you still recommend the Yamaha p45 in 2021?
Its definitely been a tempting journey to invest in a lot of different libraries. I've come to a point now that I've realized just how expensive it can all get it. There are just a ton of different libraries with different themed pallets. It gets pretty exhaustive the amount of different sounds you can potentially put in a song/piece or what have you. I've "settled" for just sticking to the "basics" and over time I'll build the rest of my musical palates. This is great advice and I appreciate you and your wisdom. A little biased lol but I get it. I love Spitfire, its quality and it doesn't break my pockets.
ahh! a cross between an sm58 and a u47! Hysterical!! And this video is amazing.
Great stuff ChristianThe problem with starting out with Spitfire Chamber Strings (as per your recommended list) is that they are, err... only strings. So you need to recommend at least brass and percussion libraries as well, plus maybe woodwind for those quirky hardly-notice-they're-there cues? The good thing about SCS, which you are absolutely right to point out is that they are an incredible professional-level product that you won't get fed up with any time soon! I'd put the core sample-library products from Orchestral Tools, 8dio and VSL in that category too.My gripe with Albion One that everyone else has on their list is that you can't easily write for specific individual instruments, and part of what makes my music sound mine is the instruments I choose, combining together in novel waysBut good to see someone pointing out realistic costs for starting composers. £2K - £4.5K is not an insignificant amount of money up front, but it is easy to waste just as much money getting semi-pro or worse equipment.
"they are, err... only strings." +1
why are you so cool? damn. I never got into contact with a lot of composers or audio engineers.. and. Idk. I always thought, i am the only one being such a freak. But. Hell you re cool. Subscribed. Love you. Will watch your entire channel content now.
Thanks for that Christian...what a good subject for the latest vlog.
In fact, thanks too, to Homay for the heads up on the Korg Nano Kontrol 2. I've been looking for a decent compact portable MIDI controller with multiple faders and I'll be ordering one today.
At home I use a FATAR Studiologic 2001....20 years and counting! I also use a Behringher UMX610 to play in synth / organ parts, where a full weighted keyboard just doesn't feel right, but it has no multiple assignable faders...just pots and a mod wheel, hence the need for the Korg (the keyboards sit opposite one another).
I work on both PC and MAC, so it's Cubase for me and 9.5 is brilliant. I've been using Cubase since my ATARI days, so its like an old friend.
All DAWs have their USPs and I like to be familiar with others, 'cos you feel like a tourist not speaking the local lingo when working in a studio with another DAW!....."What's the key control to record, stop, rewind...help......aaarghhh!".
I know that you like the EX24 Christian (and I wish that there was a standalone version!), but I think that users may also be drawn to Logic because of the £250 subsidy by Apple! I can't justify using a main DAW that is OS specific (for PC or Mac).
Something I'd like to share (for those on the move and working on both PC and Mac)....I found out the hard way that the only way to have read/write flexibility between PC and Mac on my SSD, was to format it in exFAT. For those of you that already knew this, please stop laughing at me......we all make mistakes......
Mine was initially formatted NTFS, so although I could read the projects on the Mac that were written on the PC, I couldn't write to the SSD....re formatting to exFAT solved the problem.
I'll stop procrastinating now and get on with some work.............. :-)
Instead of the Yamaha P45, you should try the StudioLogic SL88 master keyboard. It's less expensive and the keyboard is awesome (it seems that Doepfer keyboards are using Studio Logic Mechanism...)
Oh the Shure SM58-LC will last for life, yes the mics life! ROFL I had a new one 15 years ago and used it less than a dozen times over a couple of years for short video tutorials. Never used on the road, never used in a band. Just on my computer table mounted on a one arm table mic stand. 7:12
I was learning and learning what I must start buying without spending and wasting for something I won’t use in future or won’t like it..... until I came across with your video!!! What?! All my problems are solved?! Just Awesome!!! So, I had most of the recommended gears... only need to buy Spitfire sound library, good headphones and faders 🎚🎚🎧 (my previous headphones were borrowed too 😉)
Thank you for such great video with awesome tips!
Great advice Christian! I wish I got some of that advice when started out some years back. I would of saved some money and a lot of headaches. I guess that's part of learning process. I totally agree too on the Albion One. It isn't exactly just a starter library, as it offers so much more, but it is a great start with a first purchase with Spitfire. It's the first one I bought with Spitfire, and ever since all the rest my sample libraries now revolve around Albion One. I hear a lot of people saying the same. Great library! Btw, the Spitfire Labs are great gems....and that Labs Soft Piano is truly a must have thats for sure!
I have three setups - a Portastudio 24 for a no fuss/just hit record analog setup in my practice room, a Tascam 20x20 as the main digital interface, and my old mbox mini2 for mobile....but for mobile I"m considering just getting like a zoom recorder or something. Running a PC originally built in 2009 - so the mobo/cpu can use a definite overhaul. Also got a Surface Pro 4 that is intended for lightweight creativity so I have sheet music or orchestral performances on youtube on display alongside the portastudio and I use it for photography as well. I'd highly recommend fully weighted piano keys, a private practice room, and a way to practice without disturbing the neighbors (saxophone/clarinet/piano player here)
Good stuff Christian. For those without a beach or a volcano in the backyard I might suggest a stationary exercise bike for composers of an advanced age and appetite - just saying... cheers
Christian I'm sure you'll not be biased about this, because you're a good guy! What do you think about East west Composer Cloud Cloud, and more importantly subscription services? I think once you have physical kit the more expensive part can be the plugins, DAW. Virtual instruments etc. I'm a student studying Composition and Music production, and I'm currently paying about £12 a month for the sSlate plugins, which are just exceptional for the money. Im heavily debating getting Composer Cloud next, but I'm really into the Spitfire thing too...I think this is the way to go for Young and 'Up and Coming Composers'. I love the sound of Albion one, and the student discount is great but I think a subscription service for Spitfire would be the icing on the Cake!
I see that he has answered you about EastWest Cloud... :D
@@zaharishtonov Hmm. Where? I don't see it / didn't hear it in this video.
And what's you advice when you can't aford any of these but your desire for making music is so astonishing?When,with any job you might have (in my country) you can't get enough to have these?
Most of you guys have mentioned smaller keyboard controllers like 49 or 61 keys. I am wondering how you deal with key switching without an 88 keys controller, or you may not be bothered by key switching because you edit everything after you played the music into whichever DAW you are using. Thanks for any feedback... Max T.
The information here is brilliant - I use Cubase on a MacBook Pro and am very happy with it, but wish Cubase didn't need the bloody dongle as it isn't something I always have with me and so reduces the benefits of having a portable setup.
Back in the day I needed a Video tape machine that could lock to blackburst, said blackburst generator to lock the studio together, vitc and smpte generators, fancy interface with smpte to MTC conversion, audio interface (Digidesign was the only game in town), decent computer, expansion chassis with DSP Farm cards, Synthesizers, 16 track ATR, Mixer, a Sampler or two, Reverb unit (AKG BX 10) a few mics, Logic, decent monitors (genelecs). These days...so much easier...
This I'd great information! Also type of processor matters as well. I for one use a PC with an i7 5th gen and it works amazing. The ram is 16gb. I wouldn't go to low on a processor say like a gen 2 i5 or a i3 (intel)
Mad, I just got a XPS laptop i9 32G ram, loaded. Still pondering a XPS desktop loaded instead of a full blown, expensive Precision desktop. Anybody have thoughts about XPS vs Precision...
Awesome vid! Great to hear the thoughts from the other peeps at Spitfire!
Cheers Christian
Thanks Christian, very informative and not to technical.
Great idea to get other people’s input. 👍🏻👍🏻
This is the best advice. Most people will disagree but this is the truth. Macs are worth the investment and logic has some of the best built in sample library and sampler. It’s also the cheapest, full fledged software, no versions, no limitations on features like pro tools, FL studio and abelton, and it is one of the industry’s standard unlike reaper and cakewalk
And perhaps recommend any bags for all the lovely gears ? Which one you use ? Any good ideas ? I’m opting for mobility because I can’t really settle at the moment. Need a good shell for me to keep my stuff well stored out on the road.
I'd also advise being wary of 'incremental sample library purchasing'. Once you're setup with a good all round library like Albion One (or the composer cloud etc), if you do want to improve/expand your library palette, research as much as you can before making any more purchases. Even stuff that seems completely out of range. Then, if you can reach for something that you previously thought out of budget (but is considered better), save and buy it. I have numerous libraries that have been replaced by others, that were good but are now superseded, and now they sit collecting digital dust (If only I could get refunds!) The capabilities of sample libraries over the last 5(?) years has rocketed, and first time buyers are now in a fortunate position, particularly with all the generous sales that go on. Spitfire's in particular can make your money go much further.
I have 2009 Imac, my brother still has his 2009 macbook pro, but we needed to get a mac pro 5.1 with 64gb RAM to handle layers of kontakt multi outs and just projects that are layered up in general, as you well know. I think imac and macbook's are great for building up to around 30 tracks before the CPU goes mental. I really need to get a fader control to learn modulation, expression etc, but don't know if the old analogue mixers do that and how that is done. Not a massive problem cus the string patches in Komplete 10 don't have the expression and modulation to learn to new assignment. I really need to get chamber strings when we can afford to get it hopefully this year.
I started slowly a few months ago with
Dell All in One PC
1Tb SSD external drives
Cubase Elements 10.5
JBL headphones
Focusrite Scarlett Solo
Yamaha P45
Spitfire BBC SO
Yamaha Silent Brass
No mic yet
No Speakers
Interesting no one went for the UAD Apollo Twin.
Agreed!
well.... i dont feel it is a good entry product. It's fairly expensive and really alligns the user to spend big bucks on UAD plugins, which considering that some of the lists in the video didnt even include studio monitors, would probably be considered a distraction and waste of money. And I'm saying this as a twin quad mkII user!
I have a massive multi machine Cubase scoring rig. I bought the new UAD Apollo Twin and have loved it. I actually like the sound better than my Apogee Symphony system that I've used for years. I only record one or two mics at a time and love the mic pres with the 1073 Unity front end.
Oh I did! I love it.
I used to be a hard core Apogee fan, had a Duet that I used for about 9 years. But after I heard the Apollo and saw what I could do with the UA plugins, especially the unison preamps modeling SSL and Neve channel strips, I switched and have never looked back.
A friend of mine suggest the UAD Apollo Twin and said it is capable of handling some of the processing which is normally done with the CPU on the computer. Is that true? This way, you won't need to spend money on a top mac pro
Great use of whip pans
Add my vote for the scarlett 2i2 interface. Cheaply priced but it sounds great. I still have the one I bought when I started out over 6 years ago and it still works flawlessly.
Can I just add a recommendation for the new version of NI Komplete Kontrol keyboards. I bought the S49 (mainly because of space) at the end of last year and love it. I now play everything through it and it has great MIDI/DAW controls built in.
Also, another vote for Focusrite for the Interface. I've been using the 18i20 for about 4 years now and I haven't regretted it for 1 second.
Thanks Christian, for another great video .
Why not recommend the Apogee Duet? (Any technical reason?) It’s considerably more affordable. I love mine, lasted years and whole heartedly agree with the Apogee recommendation. +1 fr the AKG headphones also. Thanks for demystifying this question for everyone!
For me having more than 2 x tracks in gives it a greater 'tail', the ADAT in also allows for possible slaving. My wife has a duet on her system and its awesome though, totally agree...
Christian recommended a 'mobile' set up assuming that as an aspiring producer/composer you would be traveling a lot. Is this true? I know a few composers and producers but none that travel constantly. Almost all of them are stationary(home owners and such). Is it common for composers to move constantly?
There is a completely different alternative workflow to consider:
Staffpad for composition: 90 Euros
Purchase add-ons for Staffpad - Strings/Brass/Woodwinds/Perc/Soloinstruments for Orchestra by several vendors and Spitfire(there is a chamber strings version for Staffpad!): 99 Euro per section
PC with 16 GB RAM and i7 or i9: not more than 1500 Euros
Reaper DAW for mixing and editing: 70 Euros(evaluate as long as you need)
Compose and have Staffpad export stems of an excellent mock-up. Edit in Reaper. Add hybrid scoring sounds from native instruments free and awesome starter pack for electronic and sample based music (komplete start). I guess you could achieve awesome results on a budget
Edit:
Komplete start is free
You need pen input for staffpad, but it does not have to be from a tablet pc or iPad. I use it with a graphic tablet(xp pen pro) and that seems to work just fine
Dear Sir,
I would love it if you could keep in mind the budget of a person just starting up as a composer and recommend tools of the trade accordingly. Windows as opposed to Mac can be a life-changing option for us!
Mac Studio M1 Max 32 gigs, Orchestra 2, EW Hollywood orchestrator, action strings 2 action strikes and Logic quartet or Duo by Apogee. I ran 128 virtual instruments no problems, These are my picks.
I am now doing this having made do, partly due to terrible buying decisions, for years. However, I ended up buying a Razer Stealth 13 instead of a Mac (Ice Lake 10th Gen i7, 16gb) and all I'm getting are pops and clicks. Just want to cry.
Nice to see Nektar getting a mention, though I do think there are issues with the touch sensitivity on their keyboards. Would anyone suggest which setting to use?
For people looking for a windows setup, Dell XPS 13/15 are great choices and are amongst the few laptops that can actually come close to Apple's MacBook Pros in terms of build quality.
Also for a kinda high-end interface, the UAD Apollo twin is a great choice, with great quality and it's very portable.
Thanks for the video mate, very good content as usual.
I recently got a Dell XPS 15, just before Christmas, for doing audio work such as film & game music. Apart from some of few issues regarding the pre-installed and terrible Realtek sound drivers, if you have a decent audio interface such as an Focusrite, it works pretty well. Unlike Apple laptops, you actually NEED to use a interface for this laptop, where as a Macbook you can kinda get away without one (even though its not recommended). So far, the laptop has been pretty good. Works well with Pro Tools also.
Great advice as ever Christian. Agree with everything except maybe a NI Komplete Kontrol S88 midi controller and a Avid Artist Mix - easily the best control surface for Logic currently available. (Got 2 off eBay). Apogee - absolutely. Other peoples choices of Focushite? Hmm....
Great advice! I'd really recommend the focusrite scarlet 2i2. Ive used it for a while now, it's very affordable and has great sounding preamps. My mic is a Rode NT1A, which is pretty good all round condenser. Keyboard wise, I love the Komplete controller (that's next on my buy list)
Totally agree w not using monitors at first- i use Grado 325 headphones, and almost TWENTY yrs later (!) I bought some monitors (Dynaudio Bm15's) but i dont use em for mixing cos my room needs treating (next expense!) - so they're at home used for my sampled pianos and playback of favorite music using a cheapy Audioquest dragonfly w ⅛" to L-R XLR's !!
My main purpose was to record piano stereo so i bought the best mics, preamp and a-d converter i could buy - Soundelux u99's, Gracedesign Lunatec v2 (no longer in production) and now a Mytek 8x192 ADDA w a firewire daughter card (thunderbolt to USB-c into a MacBook Pro). Michal of Mytek fame VERY graciously upgradded my old DA w this newer ADDA for a very nominal charge.
I have used DP for yrs since Altiverb ONLY worked w DP on a Mac when i started - and their midi timing is v precise - perhaps one day i will go w Logic!
Thanks so much for these wonderful videos. im a new subscriber
Im an expat from London and love all the uk scenery and people
Damn. I bought Albion one as a entry library but wish I bought Chamber strings after some time, Why didn't I watch this before?!?!?!
I also have the nektar MIDI keyboard and I highly recommend it over cheaper ones (it's still really cheap). It has a really nice feel to it
Thanks very much for the video and for sharing your knowledge! But I'd say don't waste money on Apogee right from the start! I've been using a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 1st Gen for 10 years now and that thing is a tank. I've been using it for recording in studio, on film set with a laptop, at home, on holiday etc. And I still can't find a reason to switch it. Everything works like the first day and the drivers are impeccable nowadays. And I've heard the 2nd gen is even better. Also you could also get started with a PC and something like PreSonus Studio One which is much cheaper and packs a lot of features (also has video support).
I found a pair of IK Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitors. They go for around 280 a pair. And i have to say they sound impressive, i do my rough mixes and arranging on them before i go to my studio to finish it on my main monitors.
I've used a lot of DAWS in hobbyist and professional capacities over the years, and I can't imagine using anything but Reaper at this point. I switched over for my personal stuff 10 years ago, and haven't even had another oen installed since around 2016 (not counting ReNoise, which is a whole different thing). Runner up is Nuendo. Pro Tools was easily the worst, at least v8 to v10. At least a decade behind all of the competition.
Hi everyone! I learned a lot from this video but I'm wanting to ask a question about drives and latency. In this video Christian recommends getting a 1TB SSD. Is this suggestion meant as an internal drive upgrade? As I'm setting up to do this I'm wondering, can I store VSTs on an external drive and use them from there without latency? Do I need an internal drive large enough to store all of my VSTs, or is there another option if I want my performance to be without latency? I'd be extremely appreciative to anyone who might be able to clarify this for me.
To the best of my understanding, you would store the sample libraries on the external hardrive, but the player, eg. Kontakt or Komplete, should be installed on your internal drive.
The first 5 min gave the motivation that I've been looking for 5 years
It did? I have also been struggling hard with motivation and for a long time. I don't what I can do to change it. It's like something stops me sometimes.
@@iseeu-fp9po the best advice i can give is to see your work as a relaxation for sometime instead of thinking about the profit of the product or quality... do it Just for the sake of doing it or for relaxation... Cox if you don't seek motivation somehow you will find it.
@@mg9760 Thanks. Oh, I don't expect to earn a dime of it. It's just hard to find the will to do it sometimes. I guess it's psychological with me.
@@iseeu-fp9po take some time mate... Bad times have one good thing... That it never stays forever
@@mg9760 Let's hope not, (knock on wood).
Excellent but now 2 years ago! Arturia have the keylab essential range with 88 affordable price £350 that can be thrown when you finish with it. Yamaha and Korg NanoKontrol 2 would cover all instruments. Interesting that only Christian went for 88 keys, Paul, Homay, Stanley went for 61 and Oliver obviously doesnt understand keyboards for Orchestral. Given 2 octaves missing leaves out flutes and piccolos, Xylophone, Chimes and the upper part of the Harp, shouldnt you all be recommending 88 keys??? Faffing with 2 octaves with octave buttons is a bit well clunky and dont you use 88 now, I know Paul has Physis 88. Also providing the key bed can do the right velocity (as my old Novation Launchkey can) isnt that important choosing the keyboard. Guy Michelmore uses 88 and a few use 61 but dont use the instruments I mentioned.
Well, I have a iMac 5k i9 with UAD quad core as my Audio interface. Use both Pro Tools and Cubase pro user (iPad Pro for touch screen) with a NI 88 Smart Keyboard with machine jam for just the faders (gives me 64 faders options). Sounds, I have all the good toys such as; Albion One, Cinematic’s Studios libraries, NI komplete kontrol, with EW composer’s cloud and a good pair of head phones. Lastly, a nice comfortable chair to seat in most people need to understand you will be seating down for long periods of time so investment in a chair will help in the long run. One more thing, invest into a gym membership most my ideas comes when I am working out 🏋️♀️ as it keeps your mind clear of foolishness ideas. Plus, without ones health you have nothing.
NED SYN-CLAVIER 2 is a must have. They are extremely expensive and so is the Moog Synth. 150k some where around there. Both are extremely expensive but well worth the money. Esp if you are in the music film business. I remember when I first got on one at Full Sail back in 1992 it was the most amazing instrument I have ever heard.
An idea for you in the future Christian would be to start a kit (dot com account) to help people learn about the production of this vlog. You can keep an updated inventory of what tech goes into the channel should people be curious. Well..when I say people I mean me, haha.
Good idea.. like a producer (dot net) type site?
I think what Geoff is saying is to start a kit at kit.com for us to know what kind of tech Christian is using.
I doubt he'd want to invest time in that, so instead I offer to the entire community the ability to build a profile and "historical list" over at equipboard.com/
Anyone can contribute to the reporting of gear used by Christian on the equipboard profile, and references will help with authenticity and fact-checking.
Interesting site.. so do you offer your contributors any money from your affiliation revenue?
^^This. I didn't want to type it out lest TH-cam's filters hide my comment for linking something.
Excellent video. I'm a riff creator so my favourite instrument is the piano. Many will work from a certain sound which limits the progression of organic music and will never be a classic.
We're in a era where money is more important than legacy.
We would be lying if we said today's kids are crazy about music the way we were in the seventies or eighties.
Thank you, this is such a useful video!
I think a good approach (and I have to credit Rick Beato and his channel for this advice) this is assuming you already have a computer and invested time in training and a DAW (i use PC and Cubase btw), invest most of your money in the source i.e. the instruments (or in this case the libraries) the higher the quality the instrument (or library) the better it will translate into the rest of your work flow. The next most important thing is mics (SM 58s and 57s are great! I also recommend the RODE NT1A). I would think headphones and monitors are next, you can treat a room to sound nice, so turn your shit room into a nice room. After mic and headphones, pre-amps (or in this case a good interface) would be next. I still use my old presonus audiobox. I think it still serves it's purpose for me. But I might get something from UAD soon. Where I am torn is the keyboard. I have a old MAudio Axiom Air 32 key. I think Necktar look nice, they are relatively cheap. But as they say, buy nice or buy twice. I've been seriously looking into a hammer action 88 key. I notice Christian and some of the others use the Doepfner (or however you spell it) keys, they look rugged like they would last forever. But I'm torn whether to get the Komplete Kontrol S88 MK2 since it integrates well with NI and NKS libraries. I think the screens and stuff with the S88 MK2 might be something that breaks eventually, but the keys have LEDs that match the Kontact Player guides for each instrument. The Doepfner dont have lights or screens, they are built into a hard case with a cover. They look like they would last and take the abuse. You could probably run over them with a car and still use them fine. Either way both of those are very expensive. They are out of stock too. So it might be the Necktar for me after all haha. Either way time to upgrade, my 32 key is too small.
A cheap AMD Ryzen PC but with 8 or more cores and min, 16 GB Ram and 60 USD for REAPER will save a grand. and is in my eyes way better then a Mac and Logic.(been there)
Logic is by far the best composing DAW.
@@cardbored_ Cubase would like to say hello
Yep. Any conversation about gear “value” should pass over Mac directly.
Definitely. IMHO I think Apple hardware is some of the most over-priced, non-compatible garbage out there. It's anti-consumer at its core, and why I will always refuse to give Apple any money.
The only instance that I would ever consider trying to work with a Mac OS is by having a virtual Mac OS on a windows or linux laptop or PC.
@@cardbored_ What about these? www.g2.com/products/logic-pro-x/competitors/alternatives
my two cents, but one of the nicest string sounds I have is the Spitfire originals epic strings long, layered over the labs long strings. Also, the BBCSO Core is out now, and cheap enough to be a viable replacement for Albion one - you don't really need the pads of Albion, given that most daws have some kind of virtual synth built in that probably has pads apleanty!
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So good and so helpful, brother. I would love some help understanding external hard drives and how to use them properly/efficiently. When you are downloading a library like Albion or Chamber Strings, do you keep them on the external drive? When you are using it in Logic, are there any latency issues in real time? I'll take any help and tips, it's all completely foreign to me!
my 2 cents as I've had most of the gear that they listed, at £4.5 k, christians version made more sense to me, for what your getting its a surprisingly small figure, definite apollo instead of the apogee, many great free uad plugins to get you up to scratch quick n get things done)) great video
Great stuff,Christian.I think thats a Little bit expensive for me.I will create a budget-studio to earn some money first.What for stuff would you recommend me to acquire?
I think the Native Instruments Komplete bundle is a must have for every media composer!
I agree. you get literally everything including the strings and orchestral sample libraries. great starting point and gives you tools across the whole range, not just orchestral stuff
If you're going to be using headphones, look at an MOTU M2 or 4 etc. The headphone amp is great. Also, a better SSD is the Samsung EVO 1TB for £100
What is this Philippine string library you're talking about? I want that too im a filipino. haha
Another thing which I find highly frustrating, is how the latest version of NI's Kontakt is 64 bit only (or at least on mac). When I bought my new MBP (now already 4 years ago), 64 bit was only slowly taking over, and I had no real need for it. Now I can't update to the latest version unless I do a completely new install. On Windows, you still have 32 bit versions I believe. This annoying stuff means I also can't buy any new Spitfire libraries, only older ones.
btw..Any chance of a nod to the north and create a Yorkshire inspired brass band/grimethorpe-esq collection...? I shall get you a chip barm if you do;)
Thanks Christian, very useful. I use a ton of Spitfire Audio samples and my 2012 MacBook Pro with 16GB Ram isn't quite coping with it anymore (I use Pro Tools though, maybe it has something to do with that). I was considering getting a Mac Pro but now I've seen this vlog I wonder if a brand new high spec macbook pro might be just as good, if not better?
Hello! Do you believe that quality work can be done with Cubasis 3 for IOS?
Nothing quality happens on ios.
So seems like 88 keys not necessary? Christian was the only one with 88. Does that mean a lot of octave switching on the keyboard with Spitfire or not really? Obviously must depend on the instrument. Anyhow I guess 61 must be fine. My main midi keyboard is an Arturia KeyLab MK II 61 key, but have a Yamaha P80 for practicing piano on, which I really like. The idea of using a simple P45 plus a NanoKontrol2 is appealing for simplicity and nice feeling keys (the KeyLab 61 has synth like keys, the 88 is better). I have thought of getting a Doepfer LMK4+ and building into a desk so I can pretend I am Hans Zimmer ;-) ...but no, will not do that.
Also noting that "everyone" in the Spitfire world seems to use Logic (or Cubase). I have Logic but use Ableton. Doesn't really matter which you use I think.
I have Albion One and love it, but the Labs stuff is really great and use that a lot. Seems like Albion One is the top choice for "if you only get one Spitfire library".
I had been using a 2015 Macbook Pro but just switched to an M1 Air (the 2015 died), which is working fine. It won't be faster until Ableton and other things are native on M1, but it's fine for now. IMHO you don't need a Pro, the Air is fine. I think it is perhaps a good idea to invest in the fastest USB external drive to store libraries. I use this one: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0786QNSBD?th=1
If I was to spend £4,500 on gear, I think I'd spend maybe £200 on audio interface and £1,000 on a PC, and instead spend around £2,000 on various software synths and effects, such as Komplete, Omnisphere, various Fabfilter plugins etc. You'd get a much broader palette of sounds that way and be able to cover more diverse styles of music.
I would say spend 1000 on software VI's and 1000 on things like piano lessons, a decent mic, etc. It's really easy to buy boatloads of VI libraries, but they sure as hell won't make you a better composer when starting out. Often the opposite, in fact.
Omnisphere is life!
I am at an impasse. I have fought and fought to keep windows as a mainframe, but I must have wronged Bill Gates in a former life, as I increasingly spend more of my time making windows behave, than I do producing music. I have used Cubase (Cakewalk before that) all my composing life, so I don't want to change DAW, and am pretty flexible in my loyalties to Sample Libraries. But having changed from Android to Apple iphone for the first time last year, I am increasingly being driven to a Mac Pro. I may have to sell a kidney and some old gear to do it, but I can get a referb for a good price on eBay. Christian, this is your fault, but at the same time I thank you for making me decide. I have learned more from your vlogs this year, than I had in 10 years before. Please keep them coming, even if you just rant, but also take a leaf out your own book and look after yourself.
I've switched to Apple around 12 years ago. I've always loved using their stuff, though their prices have gone sky high. I seriously doubt my next studio computer will still be Apple. There are downsides to using mac. First one I can currently think of is they only make 64 bit versions for Kompakt. (See my reply above for more.) Hoping to build a hackintosh some day in the future.
This is still great advice - thanks Christian and friends!
I absolutely agree with Paul Thompson
Hey Christian, I seem to remember a while ago you saying you were ditching Logic for Cubase. But it seems you are back with Logic (as well as the ubiquitous Pro Tools). Why is that, did version X bring you back or did you end up hating Cubase? Just curious...
Hi Christian! Hope, you reply to that... How do you setup your software and session files? Do you place all of them on the SSD? Or are you running the software on the Mac, sounds on SSD and the session files on HDD? Or some other kind of arrangement? Looking forward to your answer! All the best, Simon
No answer? I am curious to know that as well
Its the music industry and More is More! In my opinion, start out with a small system that you can understand and slowly build the system to become more functional. The equipment is important but now the process of recording and how to listen to what you are doing is more important. Use reference tracks of music you are familiar with to ensure you are hitting the right sound. Be a student of the process and learn from the pros. Record with a minimum of tracks and don't record 140 tracks and expect to be able to mix it proper, you can't. The art of recording is a life long adventure of learning, I've done it for 45 years and I am still a student.