@@xinj6142 deserved that shit was disgusting ele was doing 20% more dmg than a bugged outlaw rogue thats doing 3x the dmg its supposed to thats unreal that it went live like that
@@Fullmodulation yes, ele did deserve a nerf, there is nobody questioning that. However the nerf is too damn huge. Let me introduce you to the math on this: Ele's ST is at least 10% nerf (please note, that ST was never ele's strong point during long fights) Ele's AoE is approximately nerfed by 20%. In m+ it's more or less 16% nerf. Also, entire hero tree (stormbringer) is now useless in both m+ and ST. on top of all that, mastery once again lost a lot of value, and people recrafting their gear lost TONS of gold, guess what, only for it to be dogshit again 48 hours after the patch. So they will likely have to recraft it again when those changes go live on Tuesday. How absurd is this for blizzard to put a set of changes that big in the middle of a season? Nobody asked for this shit rework, we would gladly go back to what we were before all of this and be happy with our mid to high-mid performance. But no. Ele can never have any fun in this game.
Time is a flat circle, psychic link is 30% again in time for mdi. I’m convinced that mdi/tgp unironically causes shadow to get buffed/nerfed in cycles. It’s busted in mdi, gets nerfed and is bad, stays bad for a bit, and gets buffed again a few months later in time for it to be abused in mdi. Realistically it’s just how they scale in high target counts but it’s funny how often psychic link goes between 30% to 20% back to 25% and then 30% again
Everything in thsi game caters to RWF/MDI/TGP. What do you thing why do we have aoe cap? 🤣MDI/TGP would end in 2 mins if they pulled eveyrthing and burst them down.
@@Nhouyengah TLDR: They made the most elitist system in WoW history with M+ right now so if you aren't at least an A tier spec you're sitting in queue for so long you'd much rather quit the damn game then sit there and degrade yourself in wasting so much time. Being able to play what you actually want is a pipe dream that died many expansions ago. Luckily though my favorite spec is meta right now for the first time in many expansions. Ele was just a side project because I've always wanted to play one and these specs from time to time should get some form of love and time in the spotlight. Can you tell me when Ele was anywhere near the meta in recent history?
Fury war really just wanted our target cap reversed. We have tried this experiment already and it failed miserably. Even doing queen tonight as the only war I felt like I was letting my raid group down because where as before I did no boss damage but could free half my raid, I struggled mightily even with the things I'm supposed to be good at. And it wasn't just queen it was every fight. Given i've been away for a couple of weeks and so I'm a bit down on ilvl...but this wasn't comparing my dps to my guild mates...it was mine to my own and the feel of playing the raid... it just feels bad after the target cap. And in M+ my tank pulls like the mad lad he is, and its extremely apparent. While Thane makes the sustain AoE a bit better for higher keys where things are not dying as fast... when I play with certain friends in comps like Fury, Ret, Frost.... If I'm not slayer everything is dead before I can even put that sustain to use. And with is seemingly like ravager's not cleaving multiple targets not actually being a bugged but another undue shadow nerf by blizz it feels even worse. I personally don't find arms fun to play but I feel bad for my brothers in arms (heh) who keep catching stray after stray because for some reason they keep feeling fury needed to get continuous nerfs week after week it seems while other classes just remained beastly and brought actual utility. It is nice to see some changes... they sound like some good buffs, but the cap not being reverted is a dagger to the heart (or an arrow to the knee). We Fury have lived through this already... blizzard may have somehow forgot but we did not. It ended poorly, very poorly, and it feels like we barely just got out from the target cap jail they had us in for so long. Other classes were already doing what fury does...only better...and bring actual utility besides a Rallying Cry that is more of a motivational whimper now than anything, and battle shout that is probably the worst of the major raid CD's... might as well change its name to slightly raised voice of disagreement. Many of us for years and years have just been wanting two things...to not be target capped while so many stronger classes aren't, and to bring some actual useful utility that might get us invited to 5 man content without requiring a shield and being a training dummy that can charge and leap. You know? The furious frothing beserker class leading the charge into battle... a good name for an ability might be something like...bloodlust? or heroism? oh wait those are taken by the two main characters of WoW, the shaman and mage (Thrall and Jaina). Your balance with the elements sure is lustful for blood.... and hiding in the back, blinking away, and ice blocking the instant things get scary sure is heroic... I wish I could say jokes aside but this is something I've been saying since vanilla onwards as someone who's first 60 and main was a warrior, watching shamans get BL and then mages get heroism to even it out... But ever since the introduction of M+ it has been my favorite source of content as much as I love my history of raiding... I can play other classes and specs at a high level and have always had to for my push groups...but Fury was my first and greatest love in the game. We don't bring the overwhelming damage to make up for lack of useful utility to get m+ invites and never will because "balance is so important" *Disclaimer: Excluding the classes played by the people in charge* No Brez, No Lust, No useful displacement without risking fleeing and pulling mobs without sacrificing important talents to make them cower in place, no No cleanses of posions, curses, dispels, I guess we can niche stop our group from getting feared which is rarely useful and once again requires sacrificing needed talents to take, no sneaky invisible sneaky sneaks for you or your party. or way to completely take an important mob out of contention for difficult pulls like said invisibles, no CDR for the party, no off heals or blessings or grippy hands, no powerful buffs for 5 man content especially when the meta typically involves range and magic users. Insane aggro issues even when another class is doubling your dps on a trash pull because you can only hit 5 targets and they can hit all of them or at least most before seeing reduced damage, but those 5 mobs get really really really mad at you. We can't even make food or fel cookies or portals or summon people. We just hit things... but god forbid they do good damage! NERF THE WARRIORS HOW DARE THEY DO THE ONLY THING THEY BRING TO THE TABLE!!! But hey at least we finally got an AoE stun back and a ST stun that once again doesn't require losing important talents to take... oh wait they made those virtually useless this expansion. How convenient. So pick one... let us be the wrecking balls our class fantasy describes us as, or give us some sort of utility... something... but nothing... for this long... while other classes seem to just get more every expansion. also give DH, a 3rd spec already, druids have four and you can't even give a third to DH after how many expansions? But your lizard people get a third broken one after one patch... Don't just give them lame tier sets and green icons. And Windwalker is a spec... just in case you forgot.
There is a bit too much negativity sometimes, esp. considering the story is decent, game is fun (even if buggy - think Palworld lmao) and the hero talents/dungies aren't that bad now they've been tuned. I will say fuck the Brutosaur, that was a total mistake.
@kristoffer3000 they don't change it that much. They just tune the damage of psychic link and then they nerfed Mass dispel because it was broken. Shadow priest has been consistently good for many seasons, and meta for at least a couple of them
I KNEW those Blood dk nerfs were just us getting caught in the crossfire of nerfing frost; so many folks were trying to pretend like blood dk was doing way too much damage and needed a nerf despite being one of the lowest damage tanks in the game, if not THE lowest. It's good to know blizzard isn't malicious, just clearly struggling to finish an unfinished patch.
As always, no buffs no aldrachi rework nothing, blizzard just dont like the class and abandoned her like always, they dont know how to deal with such a difficult class
Nerfing BM after they're finally good in keys is goofy af. I guess since Warrior DPS is finally getting buffed and they're not going to nerf an already bad DPS anymore it's someone else's turn. I guess that's BM.
Everyday they do a 180 on ele lol. Seriously feels like blizzard have no idea what they’re doing. Expansion just came out and you still see daily drastic changes. Absolute fools.
@prithwishroy1984 i disagree, ele feels significantly better than it was, idk why people get so butthurt about reworks mid season. The only people that should actually care about that is high end mythic+ players and i guarntee 100% of the people complaining are not in that category including you
@@skoomd4447people spend time gearing and leveling characters thinking they will be good and then blizz changes their mind on the outlook of the class. Its pretty black and white. Dont waste my time.
@@skoomd4447”better” how? You are casting 100% less utility and defensives and have fewer burst windows which after Tuesday will be weaker than they were before rework. What feels better, casting lava burst twice as much? Nice. Animation looks good I guess.
MM was overperforming in single target since when?? They do shit single target, especially when in M+ talents. Boss damage is so ass in M+ and makes it feel completely awful in high keys.
Balance being buffed in aoe is hilarious. Single target needed it, why did i go from 1.1mil to 900k? My aoe was still high though. Haven't mained it since first season of BFA, but I had to go back simply because they never let it be weak for long. Buffing balance and making sure starfall keeps you at the top of the meter while you bear form for an aoe is blizz's guilty pleasure
Playing every expansion since the last patch of Mists of pandaria. Mythic + has been out since Legion and I have never seen more shitty class balance changes since m+ was out. This is incredible that they are doing these changes. sadge
I totally understand that Ele needed to be nerfed, but these whiplash changes are hard for me to keep up with. I only play a few nights a week at most and I don't want to keep having to go redo my talents, check my stat prio, and learn a new rotation priority every other time I log into the game. I just hope we went from busted to acceptable, and not dropped straight down to useless.
The changes, btw., do not do anything to save Diabolist for Destruction in M+ or AoE-focused raid encounters. Diabolist is still super terrible in those scenarios after the heavy nerf to its AoE capabilities.
@@Nhouyengah If you honestly thought that warlocks did as much DPS as retribution paladins, enhancement shamans or arcane mages then we're simply playing very different games - might be the case in LFR or lower keys, but definitely once you look at the last 2 heroic raid bosses, +10 or higher keys or mythic raiding.
It doesnt really matter for raid encounters, because a pure 100% uptime aoe fight basically doesnt exist. even ovinax has waves of adds. this means you can prep your diab demon with st spells as normal and bank them for burst aoe. although you will have problems getting a second demon out if the wave lives long enough (ovi + ulgrax). m+ is absolutely rip tho :D
The 200 difference in M+ rating between affix/destro and actual underperforming specs like sub rogue and BM hunter tells a different story. One look at statistics proved that. While also providing unique and good utility.
A day in the life of a Warrior player: 1. Wake up 2. Rob your parents 3. Go to your local store and rob the store 4. Go to school and rob some pens 5. Rob the cafeteria during lunch time 6. Leave school and rob your after school job 7. Go home and pretend like your class doesn't deserve nerfs.
You mean being good on 3 bosses in raid during a meaningless heroic week where nobody had their tier yet and then get 6 nerfs before 11.0.5 even hit (and one shadow nerf blizz didn't even plan on telling us that archi had to find out). And then when everyone got their tier sets they shot way past us but we kept getting nerfed, and when content got hard enough to where things didn't die in 3 seconds and our dps fell off a cliff we kept getting nerfed? And then when our single target was worse than Aug evoker we kept getting nerfed? And then we finally get a ST buff and they target cap us.... making us not even good at the fights that got us nerfed in the first place and crippled us for any chance at m+ because we have 0 utility and rely solely on damage to bring anything to the table? Where as specs that were good to great have gone un touched or even buffed in that same span? Let me guess you play a boomie or an aug evoker...
Finally, warlocks are getting some much needed buffs ! We've been super undertuned since release and it was often comical to see how much work I had to put in while wearing significantly better gear to even get close to the damage ret paladins, enhancement shamans and arcane mages were doing - and frost DKs aswell in M+, of course.
Sounds like a you problem, i was outdpsing most of the people who were 10 ilvl+ than me in mythic plus with demo and aff. Still cant get the grip of destro tho. You mostly have to adjuat your cd depending on how the tank is pulling
@@ayayashiba1231 It's not a "me problem", all 3 specs are currently undertuned. If you're out-DPSing the meta specs then you're either a better player than them or your gear is better. I'm playing destro and I don't have any specific CDs I can plan around, I need to use Cataclysm and Infernal as soon as the tank has gathered all of the mobs and then I need to use my low CD-based spells (Shadowburn and Conflagrate) so that they never stay charge-capped and aim my rain of fire well, not much more to it than that. I still got out-DPS'ed by retribution paladins just button-mashing divine storm if they had the same ilvl as me, for example.
I’m an elemental main. Have been since the start of Shadowlands (I’m a recovering moonkin) These were 100% justified in terms of power but blizzard shifting us back to farseer is really frustrating. The gameplay is a lot less fun in the tree is designed way worse. All in although, I still like the changes overall. The new ascendance feels awesome. Hopefully we still have a weaving playstyle after these changes. I think the most common complaint you will hear in the elemental community is blizzard forces us to one side of the tree or the other.
Ive mained shaman since MoP, this is not justified.... elemental overload nerfs were uncalled for. Ascendance nerf is only thing they should have nerfed and maybe the chan lightning/earthquake to 10%, not 5%. Not the other stuff
Time to reroll enhancement I changed some of my bis gear to mastery gear this wednesday for this stuff to happen. They better offer us a way to revert this.
So I play Mw, PvP. They remove Thunderous focus tea a pvp talent and I lose my 100% knockback which I'm still not happy with as it fitted a Monk like a glove. Instead they allow me to turn Jade lightning into a killer and healing bomb. My killing blows and kills have gone through the roof. If I pre cast, I have 1.1m dmg in my pocket which I can unload then cast Focus Tea and hit you again with the same while turning a big chunk of that damage into a insta heals. I'm supposed to be a healer with crafty utility not a killer and finisher.
I’m wondering why you think fury shouldn’t have a niche in a few fights? Like what is your reasoning for not liking that. Not a warrior player btw curious😊
War has been nerfed 6 times based off meaningless heroic weak numbers with the two worst tier sets in the season... People got their tier, shot way ahead of them, but they kept still getting nerfed because they were good at like 3 fights in the raid and still werent being stacked like mages, locks, rogues, DKs and evokers, just to name a few in past raids... Then they took their capstone talent and made it not work.... we all thought it was just a bug with the new patch but no...apparently it was just a shadow nerf blizz planned on not saying... and then they target capped us making us not even good at those fights in the raid that we were good at during heroic week when mobs didn't live long enough to see our dps drop off the face of a cliff. So now they gave us some buffs, but with the target cap (which they have tried that experiment before and it failed miserably) all it did was make it so we will fall even further behind in m+ because god forbit we get any sort of utility that could make us decent in 5 man content without playing the punching bag.
nothing for ww?............ just has no niche now and does nothing fun, they need to make xuen work like gargoyle, each chi u spend buffs its damage done or something like that
@@STARSHIPTROOP and the new sigil of spite.... good ol black and green. But they couldn't at least give DH some new animations for their supposedly buffed up Meta abilities? Ooh now we have green farts when we demon surge... but really? Fel scarred gets all new abilities (for one use) when entering meta and you can't even give it a cool animation like all the other classes got? DH and WW got shafted on the tuning. And Just stop capping warrior. Let them be good at the one thing they bring to the table...damage. Give a class no utility and cap them twice after failing miserably the first time they tried it?
Aff Buffs: 3-4% Destro: 8% Demo: "Significant" (we don't know yet, spec is harder to sim) As expected the aff buffs are not that big as they buffed some of our weaker damage sources. (Agony alone is doing less damage than Mad Queen's Mandate, and UA is decently below agony with corruption being about 50% of Agony's damage). Aff's fill spell (drain soul) is their second highest DPS source, with the majority of their DPS being in their spender, malefic rapture.
Can Blizzard remove Feral spec from the game, since they clearly dont care about feral. We getting buffs and nerfs on classes since a while that some classes dont even need, meanwhile feral is on the bottom rotting 0 changes.
If you upgraded a piece with mastery you can upgrade a new one for free for 0 crests. All secondaries comes from jewelry too and if u crafted ring you can recraft it. This is a non issue 😊
Man. Ele lost SO MUCH defense and utility with the rework, but I was happy because it felt like it played a bit better and could do good ST and aoe. Now I’m pretty sure it’s just bad ST and aoe and I’ve respecced all my gear for a stat prio which might not even be good anymore. Think I drop my ele now sadly.
@@BIGDIZZBBYI know. It was “pretty good” which is abnormal for ele and one day of bugs and creators and top players screaming gets us thrown in the actual trash for probably the rest of the xpac. I’m not sure how we would be good again after losing all utility and survival and also damage being just not good now because the spec was bugged for a day and everyone got scared and made posts on wowhead without even playing with ele’s more than likely
I still don’t understand why they took double bladestorm away from arms and gave them to fury who didn’t have it at all to begin with. That was just rude.
5:25 Me, looking at all the guides which said Sentinel was still the better choice for Marksman. Which was why I went Beast Master cause I wanted to play Dark Ranger... Wtf is even the point of these "guides"?
Can they pls leave ele alone for once... imagine having ele shammies being good for once. Cant have that happen!. Am so tired of these tuning changes literally every week. Guess am back to rerolling to aug.
Honestly, I was happy to see ele and frost dk get their time to shine... My main is fury war... after night hold people cried so hard that if we even sniff the top 5 we get nerfed 5 times and target capped (again) and will never be allowed to have utility. So when I was ele and frost dk doing well I was stoked for them. MY 3 main high level end game specs are fury, WW, and Havoc. Thank god my guild know I can play them and bring me to keys because I'm yet to get into a pug on a single one of them despite IO. Rogue is my 4th but I don't even want to reroll to it just because they've always had one busted spec in every patch since m+ became a thing and It's exhausting seeing the top 5 always have at least one rogue, mage, hunter, and DK (unholy.... it was always unholy) and then the 5th was typically a 2nd spec of one of those 4 classes. A bit of a problem when most of the higher ups for your dev play the game and the highest amongst them main those 4 classes.
I love how very few changes actually look sensible but most look like the devs behind them have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what they're doing. It's as tragic as it is hillarious ;)
Why are you people so hard up for ele to be bottom tier spec? Why people always want them nerfed?.... And for anyone who cares why they were busted , it was because they could line up a 3m CD with spymasters. Try nerfing the problem and not the spec next time blizzard... NERF SPYMASTERS
No help for frost mage in pve? That predicted 8% buff that we were supposed to get in 11.0.5 turned out to be a 10% nerf. We are currently below aug voker. Yes, mages have been very strong in many of the recent patches, but that fire mages, not us.
@@skoomd4447 muscle memory of 20years, been mainly holy since vanilla released. Some disc here and there but it’s not my cup of tea, I enjoy holy ten times more.
thank you for the psychic link cutaway . My exact reaction to the whiplash
The psychic link segment was hilarious 😂
Ele shaman jumped on the grenade for enhance, pour one out
all the ele stormbringer nerfs should have been applied to enhance too
Ele got eviscerated :(. Back to haste I guess...
@@xinj6142 deserved that shit was disgusting ele was doing 20% more dmg than a bugged outlaw rogue thats doing 3x the dmg its supposed to thats unreal that it went live like that
@@Fullmodulation yes, ele did deserve a nerf, there is nobody questioning that. However the nerf is too damn huge. Let me introduce you to the math on this:
Ele's ST is at least 10% nerf (please note, that ST was never ele's strong point during long fights)
Ele's AoE is approximately nerfed by 20%.
In m+ it's more or less 16% nerf.
Also, entire hero tree (stormbringer) is now useless in both m+ and ST.
on top of all that, mastery once again lost a lot of value, and people recrafting their gear lost TONS of gold, guess what, only for it to be dogshit again 48 hours after the patch. So they will likely have to recraft it again when those changes go live on Tuesday.
How absurd is this for blizzard to put a set of changes that big in the middle of a season?
Nobody asked for this shit rework, we would gladly go back to what we were before all of this and be happy with our mid to high-mid performance. But no. Ele can never have any fun in this game.
me when i make shit up, i did not see 3 ele m+ world first keys..ever @@Fullmodulation
Think they forgot about windwalker and brewmaster
Every time Psychic Link gets a change, that should be the headline title for said tuning video
Gotta love how mage and rogue can be stupid OP for entire expansions but the second sham or warr does any good they get instantly gutted lol
Who needs to go to a theme park when you can just ride the psychic link roller coaster?
Time is a flat circle, psychic link is 30% again in time for mdi. I’m convinced that mdi/tgp unironically causes shadow to get buffed/nerfed in cycles. It’s busted in mdi, gets nerfed and is bad, stays bad for a bit, and gets buffed again a few months later in time for it to be abused in mdi. Realistically it’s just how they scale in high target counts but it’s funny how often psychic link goes between 30% to 20% back to 25% and then 30% again
Everything in thsi game caters to RWF/MDI/TGP. What do you thing why do we have aoe cap? 🤣MDI/TGP would end in 2 mins if they pulled eveyrthing and burst them down.
@@951001ify Jesus tell me you know nothing about this game without telling me you know nothing about this game
Not sure if it will be enough to undo the damage, but at least Arms can look forward to not being beaten by Augmentation on the meters again!
TLDR: Don't touch a class for a few weeks following a re-work because Blizzard doesn't actually test their own tuning before releasing it live.
TLDR : Actually choose a main and play it instead of being a FotM "special person"
Nah, they probably do this on purpose. As far as I know blizz they want you to spend/play more at the end of the day
@@Nhouyengahme, playing ele as my main since before shadowlands and getting screwed over here anyway “ok.jpg”
@@Nhouyengah TLDR: They made the most elitist system in WoW history with M+ right now so if you aren't at least an A tier spec you're sitting in queue for so long you'd much rather quit the damn game then sit there and degrade yourself in wasting so much time. Being able to play what you actually want is a pipe dream that died many expansions ago. Luckily though my favorite spec is meta right now for the first time in many expansions. Ele was just a side project because I've always wanted to play one and these specs from time to time should get some form of love and time in the spotlight. Can you tell me when Ele was anywhere near the meta in recent history?
Fury war really just wanted our target cap reversed. We have tried this experiment already and it failed miserably. Even doing queen tonight as the only war I felt like I was letting my raid group down because where as before I did no boss damage but could free half my raid, I struggled mightily even with the things I'm supposed to be good at. And it wasn't just queen it was every fight. Given i've been away for a couple of weeks and so I'm a bit down on ilvl...but this wasn't comparing my dps to my guild mates...it was mine to my own and the feel of playing the raid... it just feels bad after the target cap.
And in M+ my tank pulls like the mad lad he is, and its extremely apparent. While Thane makes the sustain AoE a bit better for higher keys where things are not dying as fast... when I play with certain friends in comps like Fury, Ret, Frost.... If I'm not slayer everything is dead before I can even put that sustain to use. And with is seemingly like ravager's not cleaving multiple targets not actually being a bugged but another undue shadow nerf by blizz it feels even worse. I personally don't find arms fun to play but I feel bad for my brothers in arms (heh) who keep catching stray after stray because for some reason they keep feeling fury needed to get continuous nerfs week after week it seems while other classes just remained beastly and brought actual utility.
It is nice to see some changes... they sound like some good buffs, but the cap not being reverted is a dagger to the heart (or an arrow to the knee). We Fury have lived through this already... blizzard may have somehow forgot but we did not. It ended poorly, very poorly, and it feels like we barely just got out from the target cap jail they had us in for so long. Other classes were already doing what fury does...only better...and bring actual utility besides a Rallying Cry that is more of a motivational whimper now than anything, and battle shout that is probably the worst of the major raid CD's... might as well change its name to slightly raised voice of disagreement. Many of us for years and years have just been wanting two things...to not be target capped while so many stronger classes aren't, and to bring some actual useful utility that might get us invited to 5 man content without requiring a shield and being a training dummy that can charge and leap.
You know? The furious frothing beserker class leading the charge into battle... a good name for an ability might be something like...bloodlust? or heroism? oh wait those are taken by the two main characters of WoW, the shaman and mage (Thrall and Jaina). Your balance with the elements sure is lustful for blood.... and hiding in the back, blinking away, and ice blocking the instant things get scary sure is heroic... I wish I could say jokes aside but this is something I've been saying since vanilla onwards as someone who's first 60 and main was a warrior, watching shamans get BL and then mages get heroism to even it out... But ever since the introduction of M+ it has been my favorite source of content as much as I love my history of raiding... I can play other classes and specs at a high level and have always had to for my push groups...but Fury was my first and greatest love in the game. We don't bring the overwhelming damage to make up for lack of useful utility to get m+ invites and never will because "balance is so important" *Disclaimer: Excluding the classes played by the people in charge* No Brez, No Lust, No useful displacement without risking fleeing and pulling mobs without sacrificing important talents to make them cower in place, no No cleanses of posions, curses, dispels, I guess we can niche stop our group from getting feared which is rarely useful and once again requires sacrificing needed talents to take, no sneaky invisible sneaky sneaks for you or your party. or way to completely take an important mob out of contention for difficult pulls like said invisibles, no CDR for the party, no off heals or blessings or grippy hands, no powerful buffs for 5 man content especially when the meta typically involves range and magic users. Insane aggro issues even when another class is doubling your dps on a trash pull because you can only hit 5 targets and they can hit all of them or at least most before seeing reduced damage, but those 5 mobs get really really really mad at you. We can't even make food or fel cookies or portals or summon people. We just hit things... but god forbid they do good damage! NERF THE WARRIORS HOW DARE THEY DO THE ONLY THING THEY BRING TO THE TABLE!!!
But hey at least we finally got an AoE stun back and a ST stun that once again doesn't require losing important talents to take... oh wait they made those virtually useless this expansion. How convenient.
So pick one... let us be the wrecking balls our class fantasy describes us as, or give us some sort of utility... something... but nothing... for this long... while other classes seem to just get more every expansion.
also give DH, a 3rd spec already, druids have four and you can't even give a third to DH after how many expansions? But your lizard people get a third broken one after one patch... Don't just give them lame tier sets and green icons.
And Windwalker is a spec... just in case you forgot.
BM Dev came straight from a classic Molten Core Raid still thinking Multi Shot is part of BM's AoE in Retail.
I know we clown on blizz but this xpac has been wild with the up and down balancing.
There is a bit too much negativity sometimes, esp. considering the story is decent, game is fun (even if buggy - think Palworld lmao) and the hero talents/dungies aren't that bad now they've been tuned.
I will say fuck the Brutosaur, that was a total mistake.
I can't believe psychic link is being touched again 😂 they really have no idea how to balance spriest and change this one thing over and over
its their aoe tuning knob without affecting ST damage, thgats why they tune it alot, its not that they dont know what theyre doing
@@sagedygert6656 If they knew what they were doing it would see far less changes and be less of a joke.
@kristoffer3000 they don't change it that much. They just tune the damage of psychic link and then they nerfed Mass dispel because it was broken. Shadow priest has been consistently good for many seasons, and meta for at least a couple of them
As a shadow main the psychic link section had me dying. I talk about this all the time!! They have no idea what to do with that talent
They seem to have no idea what to do with shadow in general. I mean, this is the only change we got in 11.0.5? What?
I miss mindsear channel and macroing searing nightmare into it
I KNEW those Blood dk nerfs were just us getting caught in the crossfire of nerfing frost; so many folks were trying to pretend like blood dk was doing way too much damage and needed a nerf despite being one of the lowest damage tanks in the game, if not THE lowest.
It's good to know blizzard isn't malicious, just clearly struggling to finish an unfinished patch.
I came here with no expectations about DH changes, and I'm still dissapointed, lol
As always, no buffs no aldrachi rework nothing, blizzard just dont like the class and abandoned her like always, they dont know how to deal with such a difficult class
@@shei_dox thats why i cba playing havoc dh after years. it was never rly meta and never gets any love idk
I came here expecting DH crying and I was not disappointed, you're fine.
Ele being good for 1 full reset challenge; Impossible edition.
"good" is an understatement, it was doing stupid numbers in comparison to everybody else.
@@EkkyPlaysGames the amount of people who can get those kind of numbers you can count on one hand.
@@EkkyPlaysGamesAt like two ilvl bands which 5% of players had, yes. sadly you and everyone else can’t interpret data at a working level
@@XCeazyX waaah cope more
"oh no, only 2/3 of my classes specs are s+ tier :O"
Nerfing BM after they're finally good in keys is goofy af. I guess since Warrior DPS is finally getting buffed and they're not going to nerf an already bad DPS anymore it's someone else's turn. I guess that's BM.
All 3 Mage specs bottom half damage thank goodness they get no changes.
dont worry arcane only got 1% nerf (as it drops from 3rd to 14th on wcl)
Y'all whined loud enough.
Is hunter the first class rework that is literally worthless? The class isn’t in a better position then before the changes
Everyday they do a 180 on ele lol. Seriously feels like blizzard have no idea what they’re doing. Expansion just came out and you still see daily drastic changes. Absolute fools.
would you rather see no changes after a big rework?
@@skoomd4447tuning is ok. Reworking an already working class mid effng patch is moronic. Yo-yoing stats midpatch is even more dumb
@prithwishroy1984 i disagree, ele feels significantly better than it was, idk why people get so butthurt about reworks mid season. The only people that should actually care about that is high end mythic+ players and i guarntee 100% of the people complaining are not in that category including you
@@skoomd4447people spend time gearing and leveling characters thinking they will be good and then blizz changes their mind on the outlook of the class. Its pretty black and white. Dont waste my time.
@@skoomd4447”better” how? You are casting 100% less utility and defensives and have fewer burst windows which after Tuesday will be weaker than they were before rework. What feels better, casting lava burst twice as much? Nice. Animation looks good I guess.
How is as rogue keep getting away with no nerfs,so let me see they were cheating and get no punishment 😂😂😂
Because it was a bug and without the bug their damage would be average, do you even know what the word nerf means?
@@endofexistence2149My brother in Christ assa is doing top damage the whole expansion so far, the fuck you yapping about average damage?
@@endofexistence2149there damage is no where near average without the big they are still a top class on ST and aoe rn
Rogues are in stealth, Blizzard can't target them with nerfs.
There is a bug where they get infinite combo point from what ive understood
blizzard is so clueless dude.
Cool, Windwalkers will get a "buff" by season 4 at this point.
windwalker is fine，you are just bad.
@@spacewalker806"you are just bad" i can already tell you play flavor of the month frost dk
@@beeefin wrong
@@spacewalker806then i guess you're just not that bright
@@andrewmartin1927 came to defend your boyfriend？
Demon hunter does not exist to blizzard
Feral druids: first time?
Windwalker monks: first time?
Evoker in the same boat as you
Bro IT was the poster child for 3 expansions in the row 😂
Feral druid is a spec, DH is a class……………
MM was overperforming in single target since when?? They do shit single target, especially when in M+ talents. Boss damage is so ass in M+ and makes it feel completely awful in high keys.
Balance being buffed in aoe is hilarious. Single target needed it, why did i go from 1.1mil to 900k? My aoe was still high though. Haven't mained it since first season of BFA, but I had to go back simply because they never let it be weak for long. Buffing balance and making sure starfall keeps you at the top of the meter while you bear form for an aoe is blizz's guilty pleasure
Playing every expansion since the last patch of Mists of pandaria. Mythic + has been out since Legion and I have never seen more shitty class balance changes since m+ was out. This is incredible that they are doing these changes. sadge
I totally understand that Ele needed to be nerfed, but these whiplash changes are hard for me to keep up with. I only play a few nights a week at most and I don't want to keep having to go redo my talents, check my stat prio, and learn a new rotation priority every other time I log into the game. I just hope we went from busted to acceptable, and not dropped straight down to useless.
The changes, btw., do not do anything to save Diabolist for Destruction in M+ or AoE-focused raid encounters. Diabolist is still super terrible in those scenarios after the heavy nerf to its AoE capabilities.
Factually wrong. And fights will prove this, Warlock was far from as terrible as people make it to be.
@@Nhouyengah If you honestly thought that warlocks did as much DPS as retribution paladins, enhancement shamans or arcane mages then we're simply playing very different games - might be the case in LFR or lower keys, but definitely once you look at the last 2 heroic raid bosses, +10 or higher keys or mythic raiding.
It doesnt really matter for raid encounters, because a pure 100% uptime aoe fight basically doesnt exist. even ovinax has waves of adds. this means you can prep your diab demon with st spells as normal and bank them for burst aoe. although you will have problems getting a second demon out if the wave lives long enough (ovi + ulgrax).
m+ is absolutely rip tho :D
@@Nhouyengah Factually correct actually, Diabolist got killed for sins it committed months ago.
The 200 difference in M+ rating between affix/destro and actual underperforming specs like sub rogue and BM hunter tells a different story. One look at statistics proved that. While also providing unique and good utility.
Blizz will release blue post tomorrow: the fury 8 percent buff was a typo the real value we meant to post was 8 perc nerf have a good day
I'll be writing an angry letter to my local dev team.
Yesss. The sandbag lord tettles got my boomy buffed again.
Praising this guy honestly
A day in the life of a Warrior player: 1. Wake up 2. Rob your parents 3. Go to your local store and rob the store 4. Go to school and rob some pens 5. Rob the cafeteria during lunch time 6. Leave school and rob your after school job 7. Go home and pretend like your class doesn't deserve nerfs.
You mean being good on 3 bosses in raid during a meaningless heroic week where nobody had their tier yet and then get 6 nerfs before 11.0.5 even hit (and one shadow nerf blizz didn't even plan on telling us that archi had to find out). And then when everyone got their tier sets they shot way past us but we kept getting nerfed, and when content got hard enough to where things didn't die in 3 seconds and our dps fell off a cliff we kept getting nerfed? And then when our single target was worse than Aug evoker we kept getting nerfed? And then we finally get a ST buff and they target cap us.... making us not even good at the fights that got us nerfed in the first place and crippled us for any chance at m+ because we have 0 utility and rely solely on damage to bring anything to the table? Where as specs that were good to great have gone un touched or even buffed in that same span? Let me guess you play a boomie or an aug evoker...
Dam Dratnos woke up ready to fight
Finally, warlocks are getting some much needed buffs ! We've been super undertuned since release and it was often comical to see how much work I had to put in while wearing significantly better gear to even get close to the damage ret paladins, enhancement shamans and arcane mages were doing - and frost DKs aswell in M+, of course.
Clueless
Sounds like a you problem, i was outdpsing most of the people who were 10 ilvl+ than me in mythic plus with demo and aff. Still cant get the grip of destro tho. You mostly have to adjuat your cd depending on how the tank is pulling
@@ayayashiba1231 It's not a "me problem", all 3 specs are currently undertuned. If you're out-DPSing the meta specs then you're either a better player than them or your gear is better. I'm playing destro and I don't have any specific CDs I can plan around, I need to use Cataclysm and Infernal as soon as the tank has gathered all of the mobs and then I need to use my low CD-based spells (Shadowburn and Conflagrate) so that they never stay charge-capped and aim my rain of fire well, not much more to it than that. I still got out-DPS'ed by retribution paladins just button-mashing divine storm if they had the same ilvl as me, for example.
@@Nr4747 well destro is really dog at aoe unless you are with premade tank who wont move ennemies out the rain and they do 8+ target so....
It just feels like tanks are an after thought, and it has for years.
Havoc and windwalker buffs?
Blizzard hates my WW
So they completely skipped over fixing the frost mage getting nerfed by trying to nerf arcane?
In another post they announced Spellslinger Frost generates 6 splinters with Frozen Orb instead of 4.
Ferals snd WW Monks must be so happy right now
Who?
wow who would have thought that gutting demonic core generation is no fun and bad game design and a problem literally no one had.
I want my third dog :(
everyone has been losing their minds over ten thousand random broken things added in 11.0.5 and im just happy to have a new divine toll icon
I’m an elemental main.
Have been since the start of Shadowlands (I’m a recovering moonkin)
These were 100% justified in terms of power but blizzard shifting us back to farseer is really frustrating. The gameplay is a lot less fun in the tree is designed way worse.
All in although, I still like the changes overall. The new ascendance feels awesome. Hopefully we still have a weaving playstyle after these changes. I think the most common complaint you will hear in the elemental community is blizzard forces us to one side of the tree or the other.
Yeah i hate it. The whole Storm Build was so much more fun, but they want us to play boring proc ele again
Being a 3 min class in keys feels awful now. The rework in the middle of the season was completely unnecessary
Completely agree
Ive mained shaman since MoP, this is not justified.... elemental overload nerfs were uncalled for. Ascendance nerf is only thing they should have nerfed and maybe the chan lightning/earthquake to 10%, not 5%. Not the other stuff
They were needed but they were not needed at the amount we got them with how long our burst windows are. This nerf is ridiculous.
At this point san'layn has to be super op for bdk to change, we dont need much haste as deathbringer, so all our gear is without.
sanlayn proc chance at launch was laughably, obviously way too low
Mages waiting patiently
MM Dark ranger performing well cause of a bug. Bug removed AND dark ranger nerfed. Well done.
Time to reroll enhancement I changed some of my bis gear to mastery gear this wednesday for this stuff to happen. They better offer us a way to revert this.
So I play Mw, PvP. They remove Thunderous focus tea a pvp talent and I lose my 100% knockback which I'm still not happy with as it fitted a Monk like a glove. Instead they allow me to turn Jade lightning into a killer and healing bomb. My killing blows and kills have gone through the roof. If I pre cast, I have 1.1m dmg in my pocket which I can unload then cast Focus Tea and hit you again with the same while turning a big chunk of that damage into a insta heals. I'm supposed to be a healer with crafty utility not a killer and finisher.
The Datto of WoW
Watto
Guess we will have to wait until next expansion for WW monks bugs fix.
I’m wondering why you think fury shouldn’t have a niche in a few fights? Like what is your reasoning for not liking that. Not a warrior player btw curious😊
Hello,Dratnos. My name is Everybody.
Their inability to achieve a decent balance this far into the expansion and the constant tempering destroys any fun in this game.
Nice, druid get 6,5,8 and 10% buff, warrior 10,15 and 20 % why?
War has been nerfed 6 times based off meaningless heroic weak numbers with the two worst tier sets in the season... People got their tier, shot way ahead of them, but they kept still getting nerfed because they were good at like 3 fights in the raid and still werent being stacked like mages, locks, rogues, DKs and evokers, just to name a few in past raids... Then they took their capstone talent and made it not work.... we all thought it was just a bug with the new patch but no...apparently it was just a shadow nerf blizz planned on not saying... and then they target capped us making us not even good at those fights in the raid that we were good at during heroic week when mobs didn't live long enough to see our dps drop off the face of a cliff. So now they gave us some buffs, but with the target cap (which they have tried that experiment before and it failed miserably) all it did was make it so we will fall even further behind in m+ because god forbit we get any sort of utility that could make us decent in 5 man content without playing the punching bag.
Dratnos I told you that warrior got over nerfed.
nothing for ww?............ just has no niche now and does nothing fun, they need to make xuen work like gargoyle, each chi u spend buffs its damage done or something like that
damn havoc didn't even get any new icons
the Hunt has a new icon
@@STARSHIPTROOP and the new sigil of spite.... good ol black and green. But they couldn't at least give DH some new animations for their supposedly buffed up Meta abilities? Ooh now we have green farts when we demon surge... but really? Fel scarred gets all new abilities (for one use) when entering meta and you can't even give it a cool animation like all the other classes got? DH and WW got shafted on the tuning. And Just stop capping warrior. Let them be good at the one thing they bring to the table...damage. Give a class no utility and cap them twice after failing miserably the first time they tried it?
Ill take the Lock buffs anytime! We are back bois!!
And again showing the lack of QA department members is showing even more
why does this have to wait for server reset to get into the game?
Making substantial changes outside of usual maintenance time is sort of asking for trouble. Especially since the notes only come out on Friday.
As a Demonology main I'm certainly not mad about it.
I want my 3rd dog back 😢
weekly shadow psychic link 5% buff/nerf
ahh where are the brewmaster buffs
I still think it's funny they can figure out how to buff everyone else. with red paladin Will they not 😢
I wonder how the other ele shaman who traded me 150k for heroic raid pieces with mastery on them feels now....
😂
fury warrior shouldnt have been nerfed in the first place who cares about blowing up adds in heroic difficulty?
Aff Buffs: 3-4%
Destro: 8%
Demo: "Significant" (we don't know yet, spec is harder to sim)
As expected the aff buffs are not that big as they buffed some of our weaker damage sources. (Agony alone is doing less damage than Mad Queen's Mandate, and UA is decently below agony with corruption being about 50% of Agony's damage).
Aff's fill spell (drain soul) is their second highest DPS source, with the majority of their DPS being in their spender, malefic rapture.
The sims have revised the above to:
Aff: 2-3%
Demo: 5%
Destro: 8%
ST ofc
13:02 Dratnos, with the prophecies of doom
Yikes thats a pretty big nerf to enhances main dps buttons. I feel bad for ele. But as enhance, ow
All warrior mains: “RAAAAAH!”
These wild swings in power from week to week all because Blizz is incapable of running sims or doing any internal testing have tainted the xpac
Better… buff? fury?
Totemic is thankfully not going to be affected by this.
oh god, im going to have to play totemic arent i
I prefer San'Layn over Deathbringer and wont ever play Deathbringer at all even if its best find it unenjoyable
Can Blizzard remove Feral spec from the game, since they clearly dont care about feral. We getting buffs and nerfs on classes since a while that some classes dont even need, meanwhile feral is on the bottom rotting 0 changes.
Sp didnt even get one line on the 11.0.5
@@SheinelI :D We suffering
@@SheinelIWarlock's one line was a huge destro nerf to fix a problem that did not exist :]
And they aren't even reverting it on tuesday =}
They actually nerfed BM AoE with these changes. Blizz can’t run a basic sim
I feel bad for any Stormbringer Ele mains who spent gilded crest upgrading mastery gear this week.... RIP
They should have known better
I mean if you spend resources upgrading for something that is clearly broken you kind of deserve it?
If you upgraded a piece with mastery you can upgrade a new one for free for 0 crests. All secondaries comes from jewelry too and if u crafted ring you can recraft it. This is a non issue 😊
@@vallarra2524how was it broken? Show me the logs. Lightning rod got fixed immediately and they aren’t even highest on any key without that.
Not sure if it's true, but from what I heard the Beast Mastery changes are actually a net NERF in aoe. Which is fucking hilarious
out of touch devs xD lets make the D tier spec worse.
Still no love for DH, sad times.
I was looking forward to playing Dark Ranger over Sentinel
Man. Ele lost SO MUCH defense and utility with the rework, but I was happy because it felt like it played a bit better and could do good ST and aoe. Now I’m pretty sure it’s just bad ST and aoe and I’ve respecced all my gear for a stat prio which might not even be good anymore. Think I drop my ele now sadly.
So funny because half of the reason the spec was seen as “op” was bugs that hadn’t even been seen fixed in logs before HUGE nerfs come in to follow.
@@XCeazyXthe class has not been seen as op at all the whole season. A few days. These needs are way over the top.
@@BIGDIZZBBYI know. It was “pretty good” which is abnormal for ele and one day of bugs and creators and top players screaming gets us thrown in the actual trash for probably the rest of the xpac. I’m not sure how we would be good again after losing all utility and survival and also damage being just not good now because the spec was bugged for a day and everyone got scared and made posts on wowhead without even playing with ele’s more than likely
Marksman hunter just keeps getting nailed. They are mediocre damage in MT and quite bad at ST and now they are getting some more nerfs....
I still don’t understand why they took double bladestorm away from arms and gave them to fury who didn’t have it at all to begin with. That was just rude.
Hate that PvP comment, I play both
the buffs to warriors are too big. They will now do more boss damage than augmentation evoker, and that is just unacceptable.
Anyone has a tldr which spec gonna be god next week? Dont want to do 4-8 delves/hc/m+ on warlock/spriest/boomie/warrior, wanna pick 1, ty!
5:25 Me, looking at all the guides which said Sentinel was still the better choice for Marksman. Which was why I went Beast Master cause I wanted to play Dark Ranger... Wtf is even the point of these "guides"?
How about they start testing their content before release? It's so cringe how devs treat this game and playerbase.
The Warrior take is savage, pls no
Can they pls leave ele alone for once... imagine having ele shammies being good for once. Cant have that happen!.
Am so tired of these tuning changes literally every week. Guess am back to rerolling to aug.
Honestly, I was happy to see ele and frost dk get their time to shine... My main is fury war... after night hold people cried so hard that if we even sniff the top 5 we get nerfed 5 times and target capped (again) and will never be allowed to have utility. So when I was ele and frost dk doing well I was stoked for them. MY 3 main high level end game specs are fury, WW, and Havoc. Thank god my guild know I can play them and bring me to keys because I'm yet to get into a pug on a single one of them despite IO. Rogue is my 4th but I don't even want to reroll to it just because they've always had one busted spec in every patch since m+ became a thing and It's exhausting seeing the top 5 always have at least one rogue, mage, hunter, and DK (unholy.... it was always unholy) and then the 5th was typically a 2nd spec of one of those 4 classes. A bit of a problem when most of the higher ups for your dev play the game and the highest amongst them main those 4 classes.
@@ryananderson1887wtf you mean. Frost DKs are still cranking out 14m pulls.
I love how very few changes actually look sensible but most look like the devs behind them have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what they're doing. It's as tragic as it is hillarious ;)
classic Dratnos treatment of PvP :D
8% aoe and st for fury and the arms is huge
Feel like the enhancement nerfs are a bit light
Shhhhhh they wasted all the ammo on ele
@@Rabanthebrain laughs in mage
Yeah definitly
lol you don’t think it’s coming because it is
Why are you people so hard up for ele to be bottom tier spec?
Why people always want them nerfed?.... And for anyone who cares why they were busted , it was because they could line up a 3m CD with spymasters.
Try nerfing the problem and not the spec next time blizzard... NERF SPYMASTERS
No help for frost mage in pve? That predicted 8% buff that we were supposed to get in 11.0.5 turned out to be a 10% nerf. We are currently below aug voker. Yes, mages have been very strong in many of the recent patches, but that fire mages, not us.
Good brewmaster buffs!
OMG where are the buffs to Holy Priest for m+?! They can’t actually mean that healers are balanced, we’re C tier 😠. I’m starting to lose my mind…
play disc, holy priest isnt even fun lol
@@skoomd4447 muscle memory of 20years, been mainly holy since vanilla released. Some disc here and there but it’s not my cup of tea, I enjoy holy ten times more.
Your class has a spec that is fantastic in m+ and you choose to play the spec that will always be sub par, that's your choice brother
@@samsun8293 nah it’s the difference between reactive and proactive healing. It’s not the same. I don’t like proactive healers