HATSAN FLASHPUP ***OPTICS RAIL MOD. - More MOA for $5 !!!***
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Regardless of ring height the Flashpup will leave you with a very high scope mount. In this video I talk about the disadvantages of a high mount and a few solutions. I share "my" solution, the process from start to finish, and the results that followed. To all my Brothers Happy New Year!!! It is the AIR that binds us.........
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Once again I learned something and enjoyed your videos.ran into the same problem with my flash pup and hawk scope running out of adjustment I purchased adjustable scope rings which solved the problem for me that's definitely an alternative.wish I had seen this video before I purchase them. keep up the good work. Happy New year.
Thanks keep them Then videos coming
Had a difficult time getting my scope to shoot low enough. I’d say most shots I’m taking are 15 yards or so. I switched back to my red dot and back to pellet on pellet accuracy. I’m just wanting to take it out into the country and stretch it out. I’ve walked in shots after 3 attempts at every bit of 85 yards on a soda can. I’m a big fan of your setup. I’m building my flashpup up similar to yours.
For long range regular rifles they make sloped rails for the same purpose. I had one on my 6.5 by 284 custom antelope Remington 700 that I shot an antelope at 970 yds. I have a Flashpup on order and will put a .035 spacer on it. I have used the feeler gage idea to make shims before. Great way to make cheap shims of exact thickness.
Hey bro! Just received my new flashpup Monday and measured the gap between the bottom of the optic rail and the barrel. There is a 3/16th of an inch difference from the block to the barrel band. Seriously. No wonder why I was shooting a foot and a half low. Fellow new owners might want to check theirs before installing your scope. I shimmed my first pup between the rail and spacer. Thanks Chad for showing us all how to do these things. Appreciate you. Congratulations to you and your daughter for the deer!
Another great video Chad!
I wish I saw this video/thought of this before I bought the fx adj no limit rings so I could zero @ 50yds with more adjustability from that point. Don't get me wrong they were still a great investment, but I could have saved $60-$70.
Keep them coming, I really appreciate all the info.
Happy New Year to you and your family! And all your followers and future followers!
Thanks cliff! Happy New Year to you and yours!
Awesome solution!!! I had to shim my mounts to get a proper elevation adjustment. But as you say, shims could damage our scopes. I made this under rail shim and now I can get my scope properly zeroed without ran out of clicks. Thanks again. Cheers from Brazil.
My pleasure. Glad you found it useful brother 👍
Thanks for the time you spent on the flashpup, I may follow some of the tips you made in this video! your’e not like others that shows how great nice, expensive, & great his shots are!!! you are helping others who are not mechanically inclined!! Happy NewYear !!! to you & your family!!!
That's great to hear! That is my goal to help! Happy New Year to you as well!
solved this by adding a piece of bank card between rail and platic thingie, cot it to match the size of plastic part and painted edges in black, so it looks really invisible
Awesome!
Another great,informative video. Well done Bro ! Thanks for another excellent presentation.
hey my air brother just ordered my flash pup today,cant wait to dig in!
That's awesome! I'm excited for you!
I just want to add one other thing and one of your other videos you've mentioned that smack you hear when you hit your target that you can't notice from a firearm.I experienced that the other day on a dove at about 90 something yards it was a lucky hit but I have been hitting a can from that distance all day long so I knew I would be able to make the shot I just never thought it'd be possible with the wind and everything but I used the hawk ballistics calculator and held for adjustment for the wind elevation and lo and behold smack I hit the Dove and down it fell. such a good feeling when everything comes together like that that's what makes me love the sport
That's awesome!
That's a hell of a shot in the wind with a 177 cal pellet! Good job!
Very good info , I could say its the Achilles heel of this rifle, Unlike my hatsan Flash, I do run a Diana compensator with a one piece off set mount, Much better than the high rings I had on it...
Just ordered a refurbished flashpup .25 what do you think r it's favorite pellets? I hope mine is in good shape as yours is. And could you tell me where you got the Diana compensator with a one piece offset mount?
JSB 25gr or 33.98gr work overall best
Leapers accushot 1 piece offset mount ,UTG scope elevation compensator mount #DN T06 ... Unfortunately Amazon no longer carries this your best bet would to be a Google search for these..
just finished rail mod on my rail used ace rewards card had hole for key chain already, thanks ! although i might be over scoped !lol !
I don't wanna be redundant but your videos are excellent by the way I just got the flashpup the new synthetic one and already blew the breach oring by using barracuda pellets now I'm trying to figure out which of the o- rings that I receive from a Hatsan in the package is the one. KEEP THEM COMING
PS IT'S NOT A DAYSTATE 😁
I'm digging the redundancy brother LOL it's good to have encouragement and if I know I helped someone out it all feels worth it you know. So thanks man I appreciate it!
I've got some of the various Barracuda pellets so I usually test them out when I get something new but I'll be damned if it doesn't feel like you're jamming a piece of steel into the breach LOL the worst are those dang Seneca pellets.
Enjoy the video... Great information
Glad you liked it thanks! Happy New Year my friend
Ill tell you what I did fired up my 3d printer and printed up a whole new back block with the 0.035 added to height
just got mine Saturday
You could also get a longer bolt if you shimmed too much.
Happy New Year
One more thing that might be a good option is a low profile dovetail to picatinny adapter rail that has from 20-40 moa built in as an offset. You can find them fairly inexpensive, but I would make sure to get a good one with many positive reviews to assure good machining.
Yeah there's definitely many more options you could get offset rings an offset rail adapter, a cantilever Mount all kinds of stuff. Good point though!
Also this is personal preference but.... If I go to high with the mount then I have to adjust the cheek piece upwards and I just think the dang gun looks stupid as ever when the cheek piece is raised up. Lol that's just my opinion though maybe some guys don't mind having it raised up I just think it looks really awkward when raised up. If it was an ambidextrous cheek piece maybe it wouldn't look so weird to me lol
The sportsmatch adjustable rings are awesome but expensive and I already have them set up on something else. If they were cheaper I'd probably just throw a set on most of my guns.
Haha, I'm totally with you. The Flashpup looks weird with the cheekpiece up high. That AT44 looks pretty cool with it up a little, with the dual aluminum posts, but I do everything I can to keep my scopes as low as possible, and the cheekpiece low too. You will probably think this is weird, but on the Flashpup, I push the scope way back, cheeckpiece down all the way, and I rest my cheek on the very end of the cheekpiece, with my chin partly resting on the butt of the stock. It just works for me, don't have to crane my head forward at all. Very natural feeling, the scope sits super low, and I can still see through it no problem.
Thanks for the tip nice video 👍🙂 I got question I only have 20 yrds of distance space shooting from my inside house to the fence. On that distance you think I can Zero my UTG scope? I'm planning to buy this gun. Thanks
My pleasure. Yeah you could definitely zero the gun at 20. Depending on what projectile you're using that would give you a second zero between 40-50yds.
Thanks for the Videos I appreciate them they have helped me. If you ever make it to Arizona I live in a Little Town in the Desert called Wikieup. And when I say little it is lol we have less than 200 People. Come on out and we'll Shoot some Jackrabbits or I'll take you out and we'll get you a Pig or some Coyotes
You're welcome brother and that sounds awesome! Sounds like you live in my kind of place!
@@brothersinair2064 Our town is Gun and ATV Friendly. Population less than 200 our School has 24 Students. We have no police or fire department. Hunting and Shooting is our Past time. I'm in the Mohave Desert every Day. Around here the People don't hunt and Shoot as much as I do. I usually kill a couple Coyote's a Month. Everyone is always telling me Shoot more lol They come in and carry a lot of Pets away for a Meal. The invite is open anytime. Feel free to message me any time. my # is 602-349-7870 just tell me who you are when or if you text so i know it's you. like I said we have a lot of Coyotes so another Shooter for a few Days would be a Big Asset. But again Thank you for the Videos. I do have one question though. Are their any good mags out there for the Flashpup or did I just get a Bad one ?
Hatsan knows that their Bullpups have this problem, so why don't they fix it? I want the Bullboss, already have both Flashpups. But I'm tired of having to shim the rails.
I need your help. I don’t know what kind of scope,or rings to put on the Flash. Rings don’t seem to fit and I run out of turns on different scopes to shoot higher. Do I need higher rings? If so what kind? I’m lost. Thanks! Love the channel.
Do you recommend doing this to any bullpup 25 ?
hi bro!! the rings i need to buy for my hatsan flashpup scope are 1inch? i buy a hawke vantage 3-9x40, tube dia 1inch!! sorry for this question im new on this i just recived my hatsan flashpup today!!
Basically high rings. Might get away with med-high in certain brands. You need the scope tube 3/4 inch above the top of the rail in order for magazine clearance. Have fun!
i have bi pod on now.next sling.
Moving right along I see!
I have a hatsan bullboss. Rail is like real thick..almost an inch. Can it be removed and replaced with a picatinny rail?
The rail should already be a picatinny\weaver\dovetail combo rail. It is removable but finding a direct replacement that wouldn't need some modification may prove difficult. You could use any rail on it as long as you can modify it to make it fit and mount solid.
@@brothersinair2064 it is..its just really thick making the height excessive..then the mounts make it even higher and top heavy. I was just wondering if I could remove it and just put a rail..reducing the height.
@@erasmoalaniz funny all bullpups have this problem with the rail mount being higher but I'll never understand why hatsan puts them so, so dang high. Hopefully you can come up with something to lower it down.
I got my Flash Monday & was out trying to sight it in. Needless to say, I ended up messing up one of my clips, The cocking lever was a lot harder to pull back & it didn't engage the pellet all the way in & I didn't want to load 2 pellets in the chamber either. ( is there a way to adjust the cocking lever ?? ) also, it was hot & I was sweating my ass off. I ended up having to use a screwdriver to pry the clip out & messed up the guide, just hope I can sand it down some & still use it. I got a scope that had some schemes inside the ring so I was thinking about using one of them to my back ring to get the lift needed. I have one of the Discovery scopes coming later on this week as I don't like the way to adjust the scope have to use plyers to turn nob. If you can send me a message to my email robertwithman@yahoo.com will send you my number or you can leave your number & will give you a call.
Sorry it took me so long to respond. I was so busy when I read your message that I responded to you in my head but not in real life LOL. As to the situation that occurred I too have been there. One thing you can do is to just fully double feed the pellet then unscrew and remove the shroud or remove the end cap so you can remove the baffles and such and take the shot clearing the barrel without the chance of clipping the QE innards. Or alternatively you could bring the bolt to the rear locking position remove the magazine and take something small in diameter like a cleaning rod or coat hanger and feed it through the shroud, into the barrel, and just push the second pellet back out the breech. As to the force required to pull the bolt back and charge the gun there are three things that affect this imo. The first being lubrication. I have found that a dry bolt action treated with a dry lubricant such as graphite works the best to eliminate surface frictions and smooth out the cocking process. Of all the guns I own the second variable is specific to the Flash platform. If any upwards pressure is applied to the bolt handle while cocking the gun it will cause the bolt to drag and bind in the block but if you maintain a downwards pressure this does not happen. The third variable would be the preloaded tension on your hammer spring. If you turn the adjustment screw clockwise lessening the preload tension on the hammer it will take less force to pull the bolt back and fully cock the gun. There's a trade-off here though. It will be easier to pull the bolt back and you will use less air and gain more shots but the velocities will be lower. Hope that helps you out brother. Look out for an email from me later on tonight after work
@@brothersinair2064 hope you're ok never got a email from you. Don't work to hard. I got my Discovery scope on my Flash pup. Got it zeroed at 30 yards for now with the Baracuda hunter extreme 28.24 grain. Need to do a crony test later on. Been raining here.
@@brothersinair2064 only way I can get a message to you, I was out doing some testing on some pellets the 31 Grizzlies & the 28,24 Barracudas & from what I have seen my pup likes the 28.24 the best as the Grizzlies were shooting all over the place ( the fps was with a 5 shot string 664-676-671-685-675 with the Grizzlies )but may retry as I adjusted my hammer spring. On the pup that I have, there is a small hole in the back of stock that allows using a 2.5 mm hex key. My Pup was shooting @ 715 - 728 fps until I adjusted that back screw then my FPS went up to 755-780 FPS, also I notice the cocking lever is a little easier to cock, I am using the single shot try but will try the mags after I get things adjusted a little more. so far I have put close to 80 rounds out of my pup so I guess I still have some breaking in to do. Get back with me when you can. Take care don't work too hard. LOL☺
Do the synthetic models have the same problem?
I wouldn't exactly call it a problem. It's just an issue we face when using a bullpup because of the greater distance between center of scope to center of barrel as opposed to a carbine or rifle setup. Many people use adjustable rings or a one piece mount that has more MOA built into it to compensate for the high rail. A lot of scopes in the lower price range do not have enough MOA built into the turret adjustment for long range shooting setups on a Bullpup. Essentially all you need is enough adjustment to be able to set your zero far enough out (40-50yds). As long as you can set your zero a mil dot reticle or something of the like can be used to hold over for any ranges past your zero.
@@brothersinair2064 Good info, thanks for replying, so which do you like the best, the synthetic stock or wood?
Please tell me what optics you are on this flash Pup. I can't tell what it is ?
It's a Hawke AirMax 30 6-24×50 amx
Sorry didn't watch the whole video but I just shimmed mine. their is also scope rings with built in adjustments
Yeah I have a pair of FX No Limit adjustable rings and a couple cantilever mounts but they are on different guns. Had to go the inexpensive route on this one so I figured I'd share it. Glad it worked for you!
What’s your take on using a Red Dot on a Flashpup?
I wouldn't recommend it but it would work
Wouldn't be bad for close-range stuff. You could set it up to do some backyard pesting and if that's all you did you could probably come up with a nice little setup. But as for versatility and range I would recommend a mil dot reticle.
BROTHERS IN AIR I can aim quicker on a moving target in a 40 yds range. But I’m very sure you can come out with some input to improve that option.