HATSAN FLASHPUP QE SHROUD***Removal, Opinions&Thoughts, Lead Dust Diffuser/Filter Mod.& WARNINGS***
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- This is an in-depth video about the Quiet Energy shroud. My thoughts and opinions are based on my experience and some small bits of information from the manufacturer. If anyone has a difference of opinion or more accurate information please share in the comments below. I am not an expert and am simply sharing information that I have learned and put into regular practice. It is my hope that many people will find the diffuser/filter mod useful.
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I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL AIRGUNSMITH AND ALL CONTENT IS BASED ON PERSONAL OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES. ANY ATTEMPT TO RECREATE WHAT IS SHOWN IN THIS VIDEO WILL BE DONE AT THE ATTEMPTERS OWN RISK! NOT I PERSONALLY, NOR YOU TUBE, NOR ANY ENTITY BESIDES SAID ATTEMPTER CAN/WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE/INJURY TO ANY PERSON OR PROPERTY, YOU VOIDING YOUR WARRANTY, OR YOUR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND LEAVING YOU BECAUSE NOW YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TIME WITH YOUR AIRGUNS! BY VIEWING THE VIDEO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THIS DISCLAIMER. BE SAFE AND HAVE FUN!
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I can confirm that my barrel nut o ring was damaged and caused my shots to be way louder than my Hatsan At44-10. Thank you for the time you put into your videos and replying to comments.
My pleasure brother
Still a relevant video 3 years later brother! I have A Hatsan Hydra QE i just got and will be doing these mods to. Ordering the DonnyFl adapter now to screw on a moderator as well to make it whisper quiet. Thanks for the highly detailed video explaining the process!😊
I just removed the shroud on my Hatsan BT65, 357. The shroud retainer nut was in backwards from the factory. The clear spacer was in with the small hole toward the front end of the shroud. I cleaned, inspected, all components. I installed the shroud retainer in the correct direction so you could actually use a 14mm socket to tighten the barrel nut. I placed the two baffles on the shroud and came up 20mm short of the retaining bushing. So for now I made an insert out of a 1/2” pvc pipe to maintain contact with the baffles. I don’t like this idea because I can’t imagine how the pellet will exit the last baffle travel 20mm and find the hole in the thread bushing at the end of the barrel. Now all that being said, I’ve burnt powder for 63 years, watched videos on air rifles for two years before getting into this sport and I think my failure was not to field strip the rifle on receiving it. Your video was ver helpful!
Hi chad, yes my Flash Wood .25 Cal did not have an o-ring on the barrel nut from the factory, i also think that's why the 2 lower plastic baffles were broken when i took the shroud off, cant wait to re-assemble it properly as you show here, thanks again! I e-mailed Hatsan and they are sending me new parts under warranty.
Glad to hear they're taking care of you! You'll get a little less ping with an oring in there for sure.
Glad I found this site, I just got the highest bid on eBay on one and expecting it next week. I have several break barrel famous, never fired a PCP before. Looking forward to it !
Again thank you for the information and make things a hell of a lot easier to figure things out it’s nice to have someone to actually tell you and not be around the bush or Ballen things right on man prescient it great job
It's my pleasure brother. Glad it was helpful to you
Thank you for all the very useful info. I would appreciate it if in a future video, you can show us a break down of your rifle, and how you replace some of the o-rings. Thank you again.
You're welcome oh, I'll see what I can do👍
Good point about double loading. I destroyed my baffles in my .25 Flash and replacement kit is 50.00 from Hatsan.
GREAT information!...keep 'em coming!
*Looking forward to the regulator install tutorial.
Thanks, I’m going to break out mine and start shooting it again, lately I’ve been shooting my Diana Skyhawk
My pleasure. How do you like the Sky Hawk? From what I've seen it's pretty accurate👍
Great info you put on video. I've been watching your videos on the flashpup and ordered one. Hatsan take care!
Great info, as always. I'm definitely interested in o'rings.
Hey sir I tried ur felt mod on my AT44 QE .25.cal. About a 3.5 decibel reduction using my phone app. Not tremendous but everything helps with my loud .25. Trying to make it more quiet for fussy neighbors. Only cost 70 cents at Hobby Lobby for felt. Have ordered 10 stage baffles on EBay for further reduction. Got enough felt to do my Gauntlet, .22 AT44 and new BT65. Thanks for the video!!
You're welcome my friend. That's awesome and you're right every little bit counts! It makes the guns a little long but DonnyFL makes a QE shroud adapter so you can attach a moderator. I've modded my QE barrel bands to support the smaller diameter of the barrel and I am just using my DonnyFL's. Man is it quiet! He does a heck of a job and the quality is outstanding. When I use the adapter in conjunction with the QE shrouds it's insanely quiet! First time taking a shot I thought the gun had malfunctioned because literally all you here is the hammer striking the valve. Like I said a little long on top of the QE but those fussy neighbors will think you're outside swatting flies not shooting your airgun LOL. Let me know how those 10 stage baffles work out if you would.
@@brothersinair2064 Will do
Hey sir u can buy a nice decibel meter on Amazon for less than $20. It'd be nice to see a before and after with ur felt mod. Thanks
Dude,
I love you too.
🙏 thank you, brother.
Great information. .. thank you for another AWESOME video
Thanks bro. It's my pleasure to be able to do this and to share!
Thank you for this video . This is the airgun I'm dreaming about. But I always like to know how to work on something I'm going to buy. Any tutorials on the mechanics of this air gun . Again, Thank you Oh... And Ditto on the total breakdown video of this Air gun !
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Thank you very much for this video. When I took my shroud off the o-ring for the nut was just sitting on the barrel behind the nut like it was never put in the groove. The o-ring for the end cap was in pieces. Why does Hatsan have so much trouble with installing o-rings? They are often broken, cut or look like they have been chewed on.
You're welcome my friend. And yeah I agree I sure see a lot of damaged, chewed up o rings on Hatsan guns. Like you said what the heck is so hard about doing it right? Lol
Very informative, I really needed this video... I need to know one more thing though...
Is the hatsan QE shroud removable in all Hatsan models just like this one?
Because the bt65 elite with the QE is very long so if it is removable it will be a lifesaver since I will not need to buy a bigger case for it to fit the extra QE length... I will just remove the shroud when I want to transport it in a case
I like my guns a little on the louder side and this one is super quiet. Can this gun be fired without the baffles or are they needed as part of the barrel?
Hey Brother! Keep up the good work! Just wanted to share a few things I found when I removed my shroud to do this mod.
1) Hatsan has changed some things in this area!
a) The spacer for the shroud at the breech end (yours stayed in place on the barrel) is now pressed into the shroud, making this mod almost impossible! I had to remove my barrel and wrap the felt around it and then slide it into the shroud to get the air diffuser into place. Very difficult! also had to use 1mm felt as there was just no way 2mm will fit. Do you think they changed the shroud diameter?
b) The first two baffles have to go in big end to breech or they won't all fit in the shroud!
c) The second two baffles (felt wrapped) have a large hole all the way! no small end anymore!
d) The felt on my baffles didn't even cover the whole screen they were quite short. I covered both with 2mm felt.
e) After the two felt covered baffles I added a thin (.25mm) rubber washer with an I.D. of .285" before I installed the end cap. I figured it might help. My .22lr suppressor has the same setup, and it is very quiet!
This did make a big difference in the sound signature! only makes a quiet 'ping' now. Do you think the Huma regulator I am about to install will reduce that ping?
Thanks again for your hard work and dedication to our sport!
BTW- I'd love to see a video on enlarging transfer ports and such for optimum velocity! I'm wanting to try and shoot slugs as they have a much better ballistic coefficient, and I'll need all the power I can get for them to stabilize!
Thanks for the update on the changes and thanks for the kind words. the regulator will definitely take that final bit of ping out of there. With the shroud done up nice and the regulator installed pretty much all you hear is the hammer striking the valve.
Wow. Ok so I had noticed that my at44-10 was much quieter then the flashpup and so I took them both apart a discovered that the two had some differences. On the At44-10 the baffles have one large hole at one end and one small on the other. Where as the flashpup has equal sized holes on both ends of the plastic baffles. The at44-10 has metal cups and the flashpup has clear plastic cups. But the at44-10 is definitely much much quieter! First time I shot it I wouldn't have even know anything came out if I didn't hear it hit the target.
Actually pretty good sound effect replicating a silenced PCP shot and hammer spring sound.
Also could you explain to me the purpose of the oring in the shroud? I didnt understand that part... What will happen if you put the shroud back without the oring?
Thanks for the info.
Excellent
My flashpup QE .22 wood didn't have any Baffles or O rings. I just checked. I'll be contacting Pyramyd air.
That stinks... Tell them to make it right!
@@brothersinair2064 Was wondering why it sounded like a 22 short. I just found a single baffle on Ebay for it in .25 says it's better than OEM. but pyramyd air is closed on the weekends but I sent pix to them . Good thing shroud was empty cuz I just watched your double pellet load and fired it when I double loaded it first time out sighting in.
@@Blackscoutwinter good choice. The 3D printed baffles are noticeably quieter than the stock baffles
@@brothersinair2064 Not sure if the 3D printed baffle I ordered has felt or not. My benjamin Armada. 22 doesn't and it's guiet.
Do you think we would get better performance removing the QE system entirely as im not too worried about the airgun being too loud since it doesn't break sonic speed
Thanks so much for taking the time to explain things with such detail! I just ordered a Flashpup in .22 call and I'll be installing a regulator to it.
How's the ping in the gun? Would it be necessary to install some depinger mod, like Bstaley for example? I'll also be testing different baffles and even make a shorter shroud to install a DonnyFl silencer to make it dead quiet...
You're welcome. The ping it's decent but once you install the regulator it depings things nicely. A reg works as a depinger also. In regards to the donny FL he makes an adapter so that you can screw the moderator right on to the end of the full-length shroud and use the stock baffle system and the moderator on top of it.
@@brothersinair2064 thanks for your reply.
I think a silencer on top of the stock shroud would be too long, I believe that beats the purpose of a bullpup. I'm thinking about making a custom shroud right to the barrel thread, to be able to use that thread for a better silencer...
@@503BikerDad oh I see what you're getting at. I do a lot of hunting and I don't mind mine with a moderator on the end and mine is 5 in. Super interested to see it when you're done though it's going to look pretty badass I'm sure!
With the donnyfl right on the end of the barrel with the shroud off it's quiet. With the Donniefl on top of the stock internals it whispers. all you hear is the mechanics of the valve being struck. Was interesting at first almost makes it feel like there's been a drop in power LOL
@@brothersinair2064 yep! That's what I'm thinking too. If course I need to hey the best of of it first... Break it in... Before tinkering with it.
...you had me at "whispers" 😂
Have a safe weekend brother!
It happened to me once, I got too anxious & careless & fired, forgotting to secure the bolt on the notch, all I felt was a faint sound of click, so I cock it back, did it clipped the baffles? I dont ‘tinker much on my pcp , I may test fire it again if theres’ accuracy issues !
pull them out and look. they are plastic so you should be able to see if theres a bite taken out of your baffles.
jason merrigan Thanks! anyway I have checked them already long ago! and there’s’ no damage or deflection whatsoever!
can someone please post a pc of exactly how and where on the barrel nut the O ring goes? is it in the chenel around the middle of the nut, or around the botom where it seats against the QE shroud?
The o-ring goes in the groove cut around the O.D. of the nut where it would make contact with the I.D. of the shroud. Once you have the o-ring seated in the groove and you look through the nut you will see that the air pass-through holes are now roughly 50% blocked off by the o-ring. This slows the air that is backflowing through the shroud and also puts the rubber o-ring against the I.D. of the shroud and this dampens vibrations. Happy shooting!
mine did not have an o-ring
Keep sharing that knowledge Brother. BTW, is there a regulator install video in our near future? Hint...Hint...
Yeah I'm working on the reg install video as we speak. Should be real soon
@@brothersinair2064 thanks, I just ordered a huma and want to get it right.
Very good explaining of Hatsam. Threds on the end of the barrell ? 1/2" ?
Thanks. 1/2 x 20 UNF (should hold 2a ISO tolerance) on the end of the barrel
Great info as always bro. I have a question which doesn't pertain to the shroud but maybe you can help answer have you considered shooting slugs out of your flashpup I see the air hunters using slugs out of there fx's curious if you think they might shoot well out of the flash pup barrel?
yeah I just ordered a whole bunch of slugs going to do some real testing and see just how they do and what grain weight works the best!
@@brothersinair2064 cool man. Can't wait to see the results. I see every one who does any long distance shooting switching to them thanks brother.
Can I hook a suppressor straight to the barrel and remove shorud completely
Yes
So I have about 15 different hatsan And the weirdest thing in the EQ is some of the baffles with the small hole one small hole one big hole and then on the other air rifle the air holes are the same there’s a big air hole why would they do this what are your thoughts on that
This is not official from hatsan but only my observation. Of the four that I own and many many other guys I have talked to it would seem that the .25 caliber always comes with the small hole baffles and the .177 and .22 the large. I don't understand it either. My 22's are much louder than the .25's and an appropriate sized pass-through hole based on the caliber does the best job for stripping away turbulent air from the shot and brings more stability. The baffles with the large pass through holes don't seem to do much at all in my opinion so I'm in the dark like you my friend I don't get it.
15 Hatsan's! That carries some bragging rights with it for sure. That's some real air gunner shit right there!!! Awesome!
BROTHERS IN AIR yeah I just can’t get enough of it every time I turn around I see something new which I love I work my ass off to get them but the weird thing is on all the 25 that I have ordered recently the baffles on the 25 are mixed matched one of them has a big hole one of them has a little hole and then on the 22s some of them have both big holes and someone has one of the small one in the bag I don’t get it either it seems like the person putting these guns together don’t give a shitHow they put them together you’re just throwing together and then throw them out the door and then when it arrives you got to take it apart clean and lube them check them all out but even that I like to do but I think it’s the manufacturer just throwing his things together just to get them out the door
@@korybrown121 yeah that probably sums it up. Love my hatsans but some of the stuff that makes it through their possibly non-existent QC department is mind blowing lol
you didn't mention direction of the solid baffles. is it small first or big first? I looked like you put them in big end first.
Big end first small end facing the direction the pellet travels. they have to act as a compartment to strip away the air if you put them small in first they wouldn't do anything of that nature
My barrel shroud end cap didn’t have an o-ring included but I see the notch where its supposed to go.. wondering if that’s a design change or what
Could have been an oversight or it could just be that they're not using them anymore. The end cap and the shroud have a pretty tight tolerance and are very square so you shouldn't have any problems with air coming out there as long as it's good and snug. Shouldn't affect your accuracy either way though
My barrel nut didn't have an o ring and the shroud screwed off by hand easily only had the gun aday or two
That's okay. It will still function properly without the O-ring but having an o-ring in there makes it a little quieter restricting some of the backflow and also a touch less ping.
I want to get a Donny fl for my flashpup. Do the baffles stay in place? Does the silencer go over the barrel or attach to an adapter that screws inside the barrel?
Yeah he makes an adapter that screws right into the QE shroud and then the silencer threads on to the adapter. And yes the baffles stay in so you get the Best of both worlds and she's just a fart in the wind when you shoot
I m about to buy a flashpup. Which one you think is better .22 or .25 for general shooting and hunting? Stock and just playing with the HS?
.25
Could you put a hatsan air stripper on it and keep the baffles in it? It would look so sick. It is a 1/2" 20 tpi.
Yeah you could do it but you would have to make or purchase an adapter. I wouldn't be surprised if DonnyFL has an adapter available that would work.
@@brothersinair2064 I just ordered this in 25. Cant wait. Love modding shit. Need to get a huma reg next. Was thinking of having a friend do the stock in carbon fiber.
Carbon fiber stock will be sick! The new Flashpup S probably won't make it here till next season but I'm tempted to try buying it from one of the European vendors that has it available already. It looks pretty badass
@@brothersinair2064 What is the flashpup S? I called pyramyd and asked but they didnt know. God. I hope its a 30 cal.
@@virginmaryshouldhaveswallo3493It is the Flashpup but in a synthetic stock version. Also it is not the same build as the original flashpup. It is the new build that you've only seen in the new Flash Wood. You will only find it on Hatsan's international site because all of the guns are released about a year later in the US. I'm sure it will be shown at the SHOT show 2020 and available around next spring or so once the pizzazz dies down a little more with the Flaspup and Flash Wood. Here's a link so you can check out the specs and whatnot. Pretty much identical specs to what we have and unfortunately only available in the same three calibers.
www.hatsan.com.tr/new_en_flashpup_s.html
i have no where near 2 mm clearamce for the felt,evn a tightly compressed 1 mm not going in
You must not be removing the collar at the end of the shroud where it fits against the breach. There is 1.7mm between the I.D. of the shroud and the O.D. of the barrel. If the collar does not come out easily by hand then you can take an appropriate sized wooden dowel and come through the shroud to tap the collar out without scratching it. Once the collar has been removed you should have the clearance you need. All the barrels and shrouds are the same regardless of caliber. That space between the barrel and shroud must be there to let the air stripped from the shot travel back through that space and out the vent hole on the shroud. Hope that helps bro
@@brothersinair2064 yep thats what was going on, that collar did not want to come out, i ended up using a little dab of rubber cement to the edge of the felt and put it in place inside the shroud, and carefully slid the shroud back on, and the felt stayed in place. BTW are there supposed to be 2 vent holes? mine has one slightly to the side that you can see, then another slightly larger, half covered by the barrel band. I got the gun new, so no mods or anything previous.
@@realtalkrealtawhid6677 cool glad you got something worked out. I've never seen one with more than one vent hole. All four of my QE shrouds have one vent hole. They all fall in a place that leaves them unobscured by the barrel band or anything else so I wonder if they didn't drill one in the wrong spot and then instead of scrapping it they just drilled it in the correct spot so now there are two? Or maybe they just do two holes now I'm not sure brother.
How’s i it going. I have an flash pup .25 and today I was shooting it and all the air came out the back of the barrel the end where the pellets go in. Me and my brother changed the the two O rings that are outside the barrel and the one o ring inside the barrel and put it back together and it’s still not working while we was trying to put air in it the air is coming out the barrel like something isn’t sealed do you have any idea what could be wrong
If you shoot the gun too low into the yellow the hard smack of the hammer will unseat the valve with enough dwell to let all of the air escape past it. Then there is not enough air pressure behind it to slam the valve shut and it remains unseated. Assuming you're filling from a hand pump you probably will not get it to go. Some air reservoirs are impossible to fill with a hand pump once completely empty like the old air Force guns because the valve was a two-way valve inlet and outlet. If you had a SCUBA tank or other high-pressure air source this usually isn't the problem as the air fills the reservoir so fast it seats the valve and holds its shut. this happened to me while letting someone else shoot the gun and I was in the house I did not warn them not to shoot it far into the yellow on the manometer. I do not have a high-pressure source and use a hand pump so I had to remove the air reservoir, unscrew the end cap valve body, and take a light brass hammer tapping the valve pin lightly to seat it nice against the delrin valve seat. Then i carefully assembled everything as to not unseat the valve by bumping or jamming the pin. After doing this I was able to fill the gun once again with a hand pump. It's really something that should be in big bold red letters on the front cover or first page of the manual. let me know if you get her and if you have any questions I'm always around.
BROTHERS IN AIR thank you we going to try it but I was using an air tank
@@coreyjoeriley in that case I would just remove the gun from the stock make sure the air cylinder is degassed(obviously it is as it will not hold air) and remove it. You have to remove the manometer or you will not be able to slide it all the way out through the barrel band but as you are using high-pressure air tank to fill you may be able to just back it out a few inches so you can access the valve pin. Or you can remove the optics rail and detach the trigger linkage and just slide the whole barrel band off. Then while trying to fill from your air tank you can push or pull on the valve stem trying to reseat the valve if you have an air tank. push it or tap it with a hammer lightly a few times while the air is escaping out the port of the valve you should be able to get it to seat and grab hold nice. Occasionally debris or some other matter will get in there between things also. this can help to free up debree and push it past and off of the valve seat. Even a small fragment of something as thin as a piece of hair will cause the valve to not seat or seal correctly. Either way you should be able to get it seated once you have it off the gun and are pushing pulling etc on the valve pin while throwing air in with the tank. Hope that helps. Always be careful
BROTHERS IN AIR ok thanks we about to give it a try and let you know
Bom dia como faço pra comprar esse supresor para minha carabina Flash pup
Good morning to you as well! I am not certain whether donnyfl suppressors are available outside the USA but here is the link to their website. Any suppressor with 1/2 X 20 threads will work donnyfl.com/
What is the amount of torque used in pounds please.
The amount of torque applied to what exactly? As far as I know there are no specified or listed torque settings for reference. I generally don't find a need to go above 20 inch pounds on anyting on the guns.
You can reference torque charts based on materials and fastener diameter and come up with some numbers but it would take some research. With pcp's I would say 15-20 inch pounds for most everything from set screws to scope rings.
I believe your thinking is backwards on the 2nd set of baffles. They should be turned with the little hole toward the front just like the solid baffles. This way it cups the air and it stays back and is slowed down by the felt. Putting the small end up next to the solid baffles small end does absolutely nothing. I even drilled four holes into the solid baffles for even more expansion,
Do you know the thread pitch? 1/2x20?
Yeah the Hatsan barrels are 1/2 × 20 UNF
Small hole what? I’m putting mine back together
Is it OK to clean the barrel with the qe shroud on it?
I've done it many times with a cleaning rod and patches just being careful when going through the internals of the shroud. One way to make it very easy without removing the shroud it's to remove the end cap and the guts and then just stick it all back in when you're done cleaning
@@brothersinair2064 that makes sense.I'll take it the guts of the shroud and do it that way, for now anyways.man this thing is fun.I can't wait to go hunting with it.I want to get more acquainted with my pup before I go hunting.if you're ever in Hawaii we can do some pretty cool things maybe even a hunt,who known.thanks again brother!
@@50thstateofmind37 np👍✌🇺🇸
Just got one in .22 today. Mine is loud. You say the hair roller baffles small end toward breach. What direction do the plastic ones go? Thanks!
The two plastic clear ones face with the open end towards the breach and the small hole facing forwards. The tune on the gun can make a big difference as well. Just as an example..... say your 22 is shooting around a 1000fps. It would produce a much quieter shot if you tuned it down some. Sometimes even 50fps can make a noticeable difference. Hope that helps
@@brothersinair2064
Thanks brother! Mine are in backwards then if the smaller hole on the clear ones is toward the muzzle and open end toward the breach. I've got it tuned to 31fpe around 870'ish with 18.3 gr JSB's and 18gr crow magnums. Those crow mags have some serious expansion but not as accurate as the JSB. Also had to clean out the trigger sear and the hammer area. It was gunked with grease galore and had metal shavings in it. Went ahead and polished those contact points also.My trigger area itself had zero lube so took care of that also.
Thanks Again!
I can't find any reference to an O Ring Size A114 or is it A1-14? or ?..Thanks
114 is the size based on the US standard sizing charts. The metric dimensions of the o-ring are...... C.S. O.D.
2.62mm 15.54mm
Hope that helps
@@brothersinair2064 the 114 size is 5/8" ID, 13/16" OD and 3/32" CS this is too thick and the barrel nut will not go inside the shroud. Also, my shroud has an integrated sleeve at the breech end so can't get the felt to fit...
@@charlesgreen5077 I have installed this size o-ring on the barrel nut of three different flashpups and one Flash and although it is a very tight fit and requires a wooden dowel or something to push the nut, they all fit. I wonder why it will not fit in yours? Also of the shrouds I have had my hands on all of them had a removable collar at the end of the shroud. The collar seemed to be machined to different sizes and unlike mine that falls right out the others had to be pulled out. How is yours integrated? Is it crimped or glued? Possibly something like loctite holding it in? The last flashpup I worked on had a manufacturing date of a couple months ago and the collar was removable so I am wondering what they have changed.
@@charlesgreen5077 also..... If you are using actual 5/8 I.D. that is equivalent to .625. The actual size of a 114 I.D. is .112. That is a difference of 13 thousands of an inch which is huge when considering fitting the barrel nut back in the shroud. This might be where your problem lies I am not sure unless they are making the shrouds with different I.D.'s
@@charlesgreen5077 more than anything you just want a tight-fitting o-ring in there rather than nothing. It takes away the shroud ping and partially blocks the pass through holes of the barrel nut changing the pitch of the shot in a good way.
Most phones have a db app...
Yeah I've tried several of them. They're decent to form some contrast data for myself but the readings are so far from actual that I just don't feel comfortable sharing the data.
@@brothersinair2064 got ya. Yet it should give you some place for your records as a base line without a real db meter. good videos keep them coming. I just got the flash .25 haven't played with it yet. air compressor is on the way. figured why waste 50-125 $ on a hand pump I'm getting older....... lol
@@bobbennett790 after a few years of hand pumping me and you are thinking just alike LOL! I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and get one. Pumping a bottle Gun is absolutely no fun anymore! Which compressor did you purchase? Please keep me posted on how it performs and how you like it. I may just get the same one. Thanks for the compliments too brother. I try....
Engineered buy Genius ! At the factory, Put together by Monkeys. LOL
Labor cost are cheap though LMAO