Love this guy's demeanor, he is such a pro yet comes across so humble and kind. I've been mixing for several years but have never used multiband compression over simple EQ cuts. Maybe it's time I should give it a try?
Multiband compression changed the game for me. I was the same as you for a long time and I think it was wise of you to not touch a multiband compressor for so long because if you don’t know eq, it can easily be overdone. But I say go for it. He uses a waves c6 & you can get it for like $30
Yup same here I was having the biggest issues EQing vocals as I would need to take out soo much to make them ok and it would just end up sounding hollow, until I discovered multiband compression and instead of regular eq I now do dynamic eq
I don't know why or how but hey, I'll take it. I actually showed someone else the bit about not worrying so much about a perfect recording if it's a great take/song, re the guitars in this track like two days ago too, so I'm definitely grateful. Thank you audio gods.
Looking through a bunch of tutorials of guys trying to convince me that their eq is doing anything worth noting in logic. I saw this guy using ProTools and I knew he knew what he was talking about straight away. Couldn't believe this was actually mixing the og song!
I've been recording live bands in basements, backyards, clubs, garages using inexpensive audio equipment, while AC's, Fans, were running at full speed, and never have 2k tone so loud on any on my tracks. Tour bus is not excuse!
Clearly it worked out just fine and sounds great. There's a lot of variables in signal processing and inspiration doesn't wait! Back in the day before spectral analysis plugins that was probably a bigger deal...
@@LogansLessons Josh knows what hes doing. You could clearly see how much processing there was done to the parts. Sepcific multiband, specific compression, eqing very specific areas. I would say he had to do a lot still even though everything was recorded through +40k equipment
@@HandsUpDK this is very true. He is very skilled and his editing is very precise. All I was saying is that it is a bit easier to make 40k+ equipment sound good vs what most of us home studio nerds get to run through 😂
Why does he have subtractive EQ on the C6 before the compression on the LA-2A? I would've thought you'd always want to control the frequencies you don't want before you accentuate them with regular compression
@@TheOgruffydd c6 is great at CONTROLLING vocals, hes using it for tone balance and clarity. Your vocal should be sounding half way decent before going into a 6 band compressor. He’s not trying to completely take away certain frequencies like with EQ.
These people record through expensive outboard gear, which causes the file to already smooth out the rough transients. Without this gear, try to use multiple compressors in your DAW that all do a bit instead of one doing it all. First use a clean (not an emulation of gear) compressor that’s really taking care of ducking the transients, but not the rest of the track. You can do this with a very fast release and to find the sweet spot for as fast as an attack possible without it sounding bad. Optionally you can bounce the track to visually compare if the transients got less. When you have more of a smooth source, you can then use a compressor like the LA2A to give it character and the smooth compression it’s known for. The LA2A specifically has a permanent attack and release setting. So when you feed that compressor a heavy transient, it’s gonna make a huge dip and take some time to get back, which gives the pumping effect. With a more controlled signal coming in, it won’t do that :) Hope that helps!
Emiel van den Berg It does. I tremendously underuse digital non-emulation compressors. I’ll be sure to use your advice on my next mix. I notice the same rough transient effect with 1176’s as well. I’m sure the same is true
@@SjimDeKat amazing piece of advice there, really helpful! I'm a huge fan of the LA2A at the end of the chain with some subtle compression happening before it but yeah it took months of bad mixes before I figured that out.
@@DaviPedrosa yes here in the minute 1:37 I think. They use both. After melodyne they use autotune but smoothly th-cam.com/video/D3cwAkeNGUU/w-d-xo.html
Because it's the industry standard. It's also easier for the engineers as they use the same DAW thus mixing and mastering through different engineers will be much easier.
Yes, its all in the music, but the engineer that recorded this is a little less than detail oriented. how does that obnoxious squeal get into a final cut? so easy to fix BEFORE you hit record.
Well, it’s such an easy part, couldnt it have been re-recorded in about 20 minutes? I get that he took it out, and that is a great example of making the best of what you have been handed. My only point is that it’s not like its a epic one-off vocal performance. Personally, I’d have taken the time and got a pure part.
5:06 „that‘s basically Justin right there“. Used hundreds of plugins for a simple vocal. Now I know why it sounds so lifeless and generic. However, I have to say it works because the singer is great and the recording is good in the first place.
if that "lifeless and generic" vocal turns out to have 1.8 billion streams then idk about you but screw lifefull and non generic vocals im staying with justin
you know i have to say with all due respect justin definitely needs a new team. i mean loads of these songs, eg 'been you' couldve been number ones but the noises are mastered in such a lifeless overly saturated way and so cramped together that it just sounds like a big clash of noise. a perfect example of this is that skrillex mastered the song 'sorry', and those odd drums and rolls at the end of a sentence are so unique and rubbing against the ear in such an interesting way, and the song was massive. by comparison, the song 'the feeling' which skrillex also produced and which has equally interesting noises etc is so lifeless and dull. like theres a really interesting - booming drum, rolling click click- that makes up every verse but theyve been mastered so flat so it has no impact. or even the humming bass for the chorus and the drum are just shallow like they dont hit in an impactful way on the ear, and theyre not spread out enough or loud enough and they dont rumble enough
Lol that guitar part sucked. If he couldn’t play such a simple riff again, then whats he doing as a guitar player? Seriously. The real gat players of the good ol days would be laughing at this...
I actually had to stop watching a minute into the vid because every time he smacked the guitar after he played a note I had a physical reaction of annoyance.
"We're gonna run Justin through a $25K vocal chain and pair it with this iphone guitar demo that has a fighter jet flying overhead"
That Last EQ makes me feel so good about myself. I needed that today. Thanks
"The mix helps but it's all in the music"
Really all you need to know
💎
Love that, everybody talks about the mix all the time and it scares us the young bedroom producers with very little knowledge
Clearly true
What comes outta speakers is all what matters!
Wow that final EQ really does it
"I dunno where that came from, but--"
Justin: "BUT--"
"--we work around that."
Hahaha he should've let it play out: I don't know where that came from but you still hit my phone up
That was weird😂
@@rebinu Weirdo
Love this guy's demeanor, he is such a pro yet comes across so humble and kind. I've been mixing for several years but have never used multiband compression over simple EQ cuts. Maybe it's time I should give it a try?
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Multiband compression changed the game for me. I was the same as you for a long time and I think it was wise of you to not touch a multiband compressor for so long because if you don’t know eq, it can easily be overdone. But I say go for it. He uses a waves c6 & you can get it for like $30
Watch Tony Maserati multiband compression for vocals video on Waves channel as said in another comment its a game changer
Yup same here I was having the biggest issues EQing vocals as I would need to take out soo much to make them ok and it would just end up sounding hollow, until I discovered multiband compression and instead of regular eq I now do dynamic eq
I can't unheard that frequency now Haha
Unlisted. I feel lucky to get this recommended.
SSAAAAAAAME
I don't know why or how but hey, I'll take it. I actually showed someone else the bit about not worrying so much about a perfect recording if it's a great take/song, re the guitars in this track like two days ago too, so I'm definitely grateful. Thank you audio gods.
He just started to stream on twitch for free so that might have something to do with it
Me too looh!
Thanks for linking this through! Great stuff!
He makes it look so easy
man these guys have such positive mindset when mixing lmaoo
i need that positivity in my life :(
Looking through a bunch of tutorials of guys trying to convince me that their eq is doing anything worth noting in logic. I saw this guy using ProTools and I knew he knew what he was talking about straight away. Couldn't believe this was actually mixing the og song!
One of the best episodes 💯👍✨
Nice work. Very inspiring and learned lots of game from this. Thank you!
0:43 like it was calculated😂
I've been recording live bands in basements, backyards, clubs, garages using inexpensive audio equipment, while AC's, Fans, were running at full speed, and never have 2k tone so loud on any on my tracks. Tour bus is not excuse!
Clearly it worked out just fine and sounds great. There's a lot of variables in signal processing and inspiration doesn't wait! Back in the day before spectral analysis plugins that was probably a bigger deal...
Thanks for the video!
Denoising eq cut and noise supressor after GTR Amp is "great" mix engineering desidion... What can you teach?
LOL - yep, like using gate after heavy compression :D
Aka - if it’s recorded by pros, you don’t have to do much but basic editing.
True...part from that guitar part 😬
Lol I know... when you record Thru like a Neumann and a neve
There isn’t much processing that needs to be done
The most difficult thing to learn is what to do and what not to do to a great recording. It's not just "basic" editing
@@LogansLessons Josh knows what hes doing. You could clearly see how much processing there was done to the parts. Sepcific multiband, specific compression, eqing very specific areas. I would say he had to do a lot still even though everything was recorded through +40k equipment
@@HandsUpDK this is very true. He is very skilled and his editing is very precise. All I was saying is that it is a bit easier to make 40k+ equipment sound good vs what most of us home studio nerds get to run through 😂
Nice vid!
Wonder what setting he is using on the Waves GTR plugin?
Muy duro💪🏻
Wow thats a lot of multiband on the vocal. Don't be shy I guess!
well spoken though Josh.. The better the artist the less ones gotta do.. well done
lol are those dollar $igns on his LV buss - hahah love that.
I would've redone that guitar part, 18db cut 😉
Doing the same work as I am doing 🙂 But the point is the vocals has to be good recorded from the beginning 🙂
Incredible
Plz make full video on it
Plzz plzz
Did the SSL do no compression at all?
MASTER JOSH
Hi to everyone!
Someone already has it written the signal chain of Justin’s vocals when recording? Thank you!
He said in the video: Sony C800G -> Neve (didn't specify but we can assume 1073) -> tube tech CL1B -> GML eq (assuming 8200, cuts only)
@@majormoody there's a diagram floating around online of josh's vocal tracking setup
@@noahmusicnzcan you help me find that
The Justin Bieber preset. Now everyone will be able to sound just like Justin ;)
Did he duplicate the vocal with reverb, and put both on top ? 🤔🤔🤔
Why does he have subtractive EQ on the C6 before the compression on the LA-2A? I would've thought you'd always want to control the frequencies you don't want before you accentuate them with regular compression
He doesnt.. the C6 is after the 2a
@@yule41 I meant after sorry. Why does the C6 come after?
@@TheOgruffydd c6 is great at CONTROLLING vocals, hes using it for tone balance and clarity. Your vocal should be sounding half way decent before going into a 6 band compressor. He’s not trying to completely take away certain frequencies like with EQ.
Why does it always sound so bad when I use an LA2A? Sounds like pumping, doesn't do well on transients. Is there a technique I should be using?
These people record through expensive outboard gear, which causes the file to already smooth out the rough transients.
Without this gear, try to use multiple compressors in your DAW that all do a bit instead of one doing it all. First use a clean (not an emulation of gear) compressor that’s really taking care of ducking the transients, but not the rest of the track. You can do this with a very fast release and to find the sweet spot for as fast as an attack possible without it sounding bad.
Optionally you can bounce the track to visually compare if the transients got less.
When you have more of a smooth source, you can then use a compressor like the LA2A to give it character and the smooth compression it’s known for. The LA2A specifically has a permanent attack and release setting. So when you feed that compressor a heavy transient, it’s gonna make a huge dip and take some time to get back, which gives the pumping effect. With a more controlled signal coming in, it won’t do that :)
Hope that helps!
Emiel van den Berg It does. I tremendously underuse digital non-emulation compressors. I’ll be sure to use your advice on my next mix. I notice the same rough transient effect with 1176’s as well. I’m sure the same is true
@@SjimDeKat amazing piece of advice there, really helpful! I'm a huge fan of the LA2A at the end of the chain with some subtle compression happening before it but yeah it took months of bad mixes before I figured that out.
You should try the 670 from waves.. I'd recommend that over the 2a
@@SjimDeKat pro-c into a 2a works great for this technique
crazy that he didnt use an autotune and still sounded amazing
He did, there is shorter video of this song where he shows it
@@Marchuevoreal probably only a melodyne or something manual cause his voice sounds really natural
@@Marchuevoreal can you find it for me? i want to know what he does with the autotune settings on justin vocals
@@DaviPedrosa yes here in the minute 1:37 I think. They use both. After melodyne they use autotune but smoothly th-cam.com/video/D3cwAkeNGUU/w-d-xo.html
@@Marchuevoreal its actually a lot of autotune tbh, thank you for sharing it with me
where is the rest?
Why is it only protools on Mix With The Masters?😅
Because it's the industry standard. It's also easier for the engineers as they use the same DAW thus mixing and mastering through different engineers will be much easier.
I've seen mixing done on Logic, on film and electronic
Not only, the episode with Finneas is all Logic, since that is what he uses. But, yeah, Pro Tools is a standard, this guys would never use Studio One
Studio one is more easier than pro tools 😒
@@MFachrizalR LOL industry standard
Music software? Anybody know's
Lol pro tools?
Wow.
👍🏻
Sauce
Gonna need to auto tune that guitar 😂 Nick Jonas did you play guitar on this track?
I can really imagine charlie puth in this beat lol
Why don’t use « Waves Z-Noise » for kill this ugly buzz?
Yes, its all in the music, but the engineer that recorded this is a little less than detail oriented. how does that obnoxious squeal get into a final cut? so easy to fix BEFORE you hit record.
Listen to the final track. Definitely they took it out. The gtr is less bright and the “silences” are muted.
I thought he said that they recorded it on the tour bus? I don't think they ever meant for it to be the final take ;)
Well, it’s such an easy part, couldnt it have been re-recorded in about 20 minutes? I get that he took it out, and that is a great example of making the best of what you have been handed. My only point is that it’s not like its a epic one-off vocal performance. Personally, I’d have taken the time and got a pure part.
@@daveycmusic5150 I think I can agree with you there ;)
@@daveycmusic5150 you are right in a technical sense, but can you argue with the final success?
Who down votes this???!
yo why im not able to become a pro member? is it because i dont belong to america ?
How can a master get such a horrible amp noise? Mix with masters of hiding....
5:06 „that‘s basically Justin right there“. Used hundreds of plugins for a simple vocal. Now I know why it sounds so lifeless and generic. However, I have to say it works because the singer is great and the recording is good in the first place.
if that "lifeless and generic" vocal turns out to have 1.8 billion streams then idk about you but screw lifefull and non generic vocals im staying with justin
you know i have to say with all due respect justin definitely needs a new team. i mean loads of these songs, eg 'been you' couldve been number ones but the noises are mastered in such a lifeless overly saturated way and so cramped together that it just sounds like a big clash of noise. a perfect example of this is that skrillex mastered the song 'sorry', and those odd drums and rolls at the end of a sentence are so unique and rubbing against the ear in such an interesting way, and the song was massive. by comparison, the song 'the feeling' which skrillex also produced and which has equally interesting noises etc is so lifeless and dull. like theres a really interesting - booming drum, rolling click click- that makes up every verse but theyve been mastered so flat so it has no impact. or even the humming bass for the chorus and the drum are just shallow like they dont hit in an impactful way on the ear, and theyre not spread out enough or loud enough and they dont rumble enough
interesting video. lame song.
Lol that guitar part sucked. If he couldn’t play such a simple riff again, then whats he doing as a guitar player? Seriously. The real gat players of the good ol days would be laughing at this...
Yikes lol
Jealous?
I actually had to stop watching a minute into the vid because every time he smacked the guitar after he played a note I had a physical reaction of annoyance.
@@theorrymusic lol not in the slightest...
There was clearly a vibe and they captured it. Vocals were done to the guitar. Couldnt see why they should rerecord the guitar parts?
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