Hi Jamie. Thanks for making these educational videos. I’m a new curler, and would like to know how do you decide to rotate to 10 or 2 o’clock? Thank you
Great stuff Jamie! I would love to see videos focused around more advanced concepts. So like strategies, timing and rock location, etc. I know you are sticking to the basics, but maybe something to consider? Thanks for the great videos!
+rman272 Thanks for the input! I have a video on timing that you could check out (Tip #7 - slide) but stay tuned because mid march i will start to put out videos on strategy!
I came back to this video to see how much rotation to apply....some vids seem to say 4 rotations to the house, others say 2 or 3....but you didn't mention it in this video...
Sorry about that. I would say for typical curling club ice you should be between 3 or 4 rotations. But you might notice that at the higher level (if you watch curling on TV) some teams are starting to aim for about 6 rotations!
@@CurlUpWithJamie I actually didn't notice...I'm new to the sport and only very recently starting watching competitive play. Thanks for the info and the reply....I didn't expect one on a vid this old. :)
Jamie, thank you kindly for the tips. I just got into this at my old age of 69, out of shape and have a bad left knee. Being that as it may, do you have any tips on stick curling? I just moved to Midland, MI which there is a community curling centre and I just got involved. Your tips and explanations really helped. I was suggested to use the stick. So I was just wondering with the stick do I walk out with the rock in the in turn or out turn position then release it in the noon position or does one walk out in the 12 o clock position then turn the rock to the desired turn? Also, does one give an extra push prior to release? In other words, do you have any tips for us seniors or handicapped that use a stick. Pace of walk? Etc.
Jamie, I'm not sure if one of your videos covers this but when do you know when to release the stone? When I'm playing I will typically try to release before the hog line, but I hear there are different strategies such as releasing earlier (just right after the house) if you are setting up a high-guard (zone 1 - 2). Thoughts or comments on this?
Im actually going to be talking about this in an upcoming video but my biggest recomendation is to always release at the same spot. No matter the shot. This makes your skips job calling line so much easier.
How many rotations should we be looking for if we are throwing a draw to the button? I've been told 3-4, but I've seen everything from 1 to 10 (aside from a spinner, that is).
I would say 3.5 is good on curling club ice. When you get to playing on an arena on championship ice then it curls more so having a bit more rotation is better (maybe 4-4.5). You definitely should never have less than 3... the rock will be unpredictable, go sideways and slow down faster.
Just trying to clarify for myself here: if the stone tends to curl more on championship ice so you increase the rotation.. then that means the more rotations the straighter it will go? I always thought the rotation would make it curl, not go straight? Could you please elaborate? Thanks!
Hopefully this will help in my out turns where I think I'm pulling the stone "tight" or even inside the brush? Would that be the cause of pulling the stone inside?
That could be the cause, yes. Make sure that you are letting go of the rock at the 12 noon position and that you don't go past that. Going past it could result in you "starting" the rock (which means making it curl early, or being tight to the broom)
@@CurlUpWithJamie thanks for this. Ironically I'm a recently qualified coach at my club and rink in Scotland but couldn't figure this one out. I knew that I lacked +ve rotation especially on lighter shots and have been trying to encourage the stone to rotate more. Makes sense and gives me something to practice now. Great series and I share some of your videos with my own club members on our Fettercairn Curling Club Facebook page. Hope thats okay with you🤔
hey Jamie, thanks for videos. Is it always at 10 and 2? if you take it further to 9 and 3 will it rotate more? Alternatively if I have a take out straight down center line would you keep it just at 12?
I would keep it at 10 and 2... any more and you risk starting or dumping the rock. And this applies to every shot no matter where it is reference the center line. You always want to be consistent with your release.
I'm a new curler. My teammates are telling me to keep my arm extended through the slide and delivery. Your #8 tip shows your arm bent and extending with a rotation of the wrist for either the in turn or out turn. Thoughts?
Im a big fan of sliding out with a slight elbow bend... that way if you need to make an adjustment, you have the room to simply extend your arm slightly. You also have more feel and control over the rock that way.
I think opinions/experience/advice changes. I think 30 years ago when I was a kid I was told to keep arm straight but now it is more commonly taught to keep arm as Jamie has it. I have adjusted my delivery over the decades slightly and I think Jamie is correct and it's easier to adjust weight and to get good positive release with sufficient rotation with a sight bend in arm.
Most people add a little i would say. Having a little bend in your elbow allows you to control the weight and if you don't kick out hard enough then you have room to add some speed with you extension
Jamie: Great stuff, as always. This is one of the single most overlooked, but critical, parts of the shot. Remember, everyone - ChickenGrip is bad! IMHO, the only thing worse is the "Death Grip", followed by the "Oh-*&$%! Shove".
Hi Jamie When the pro curlers release they tend to give a little nudge before letting it go ...by doing so doesn't it screw up their line and rock timing ?
So thats called an extension. The Pros are so consistent that this extension is done on the same line of delivery. And as long as they extend the same way every time and extend the same amount as their team mates... then its no problem with reference to the rock timing.
There are 2 basic shots in Curling. A draw and a takeout. A draw is a shot where the stone comes to a stop in the rings. A takeout removes another stone from the rings by hitting it. Hope that helps!
Hmmm... as a spectator only, I always thought that curlers had the ability to control the amount of curl (arc) through their release. But you're pointing out that every release should be the same. So that means that given identical ice conditions, every curl will (or should) exhibit the exact same arc? No matter the tactical situation of the game?
Correct. In general, more rotation will cause the rock to travel a little further and "dig in" less. Meaning, if anything a slightly straighter rock. In curling though, this is too hard to account for and isn't worth the inconsistencies. It's more valuable to take that variable out of the equation and release the same every time. Adjusting for curling then comes down to weight of the shot and sweeping.
So there's no such thing as a straight push, for when there's no need for the rock to curl (around an obstacle)? I thought the whole point of this sport which differentiates it from other "shuffleboard" type sports is the ability to curl in behind an obstacle, but only when *desired*. Otherwise I just assumed that doing a straight push is a good option when there's not an obstacle in the way. Thanks!
It's too difficult to try to throw a rock straight. It will almost always pick up some rotation eventually on the way down which makes it hard to predict. So EVERY shot is purposely thrown with rotation and curl.
Hey! when I throw my takeout weights i just don't get enough force to hit the target before the rock curls too much. Should I ask for more ice? Give it a hand push? Play nothing but draws :P?
Dan Toolsie I don't recommend giving it a hand push because that will throw off your line. Practice kicking out with more weight and having a slight extension. In the mean time, giving yourself more ice to make the shot is perfectly fine!
OK I have watched them all, ready for my first league game tomorrow. Thanks Jamie! Vancouver Island
Hope your league game went well!
Jamie, that was awesome! Thanks as always. I really like the different close-up looks. The use of multiple angles helps a lot.
HI Jamie, thank you very much for spending time with the RCN (Navy) Colts Team at the RCMP last night talking about grip and release.
I'm getting into curling because of you! Can't wait to see you tear it up in South Korea
+MIZ-SEC Thats awesome! Thanks!
Your vid's are great. Thank you for your efforts to share and explain. Hope your channel grows and grows!
+ibemeubu 2 You are very welcome! I hope it grows too! :)
Thank you awesome video!
Thank you! First day out today and that video was extremely helpful!
Hi Jamie. Thanks for making these educational videos. I’m a new curler, and would like to know how do you decide to rotate to 10 or 2 o’clock?
Thank you
Great stuff Jamie! I would love to see videos focused around more advanced concepts. So like strategies, timing and rock location, etc. I know you are sticking to the basics, but maybe something to consider? Thanks for the great videos!
+rman272 Thanks for the input! I have a video on timing that you could check out (Tip #7 - slide) but stay tuned because mid march i will start to put out videos on strategy!
+rman272 th-cam.com/video/yk-NXfOHBk4/w-d-xo.html The first of many on strategy!
Great video Jamie! Keep it up!
I came back to this video to see how much rotation to apply....some vids seem to say 4 rotations to the house, others say 2 or 3....but you didn't mention it in this video...
Sorry about that. I would say for typical curling club ice you should be between 3 or 4 rotations. But you might notice that at the higher level (if you watch curling on TV) some teams are starting to aim for about 6 rotations!
@@CurlUpWithJamie I actually didn't notice...I'm new to the sport and only very recently starting watching competitive play. Thanks for the info and the reply....I didn't expect one on a vid this old. :)
Can you make a video of your off season training??
+Mary Curler Most definitely! Stay tuned for a video on "A day in the life" coming soon!
Great video Jamie! Disappointed I didn't make it to Jacksonville to cheer your team on, but am attending a learn to curl event in Tampa next month! :)
+Quack Thats awesome! Good for you!
Hi Jamie! My skip tells me I’m setting my release back. Any tips to correct it?
Jamie, I am putting together a learn to curl class and would like to use some of your videos but not without your approval. Is it OK to use them?
as long as they are still played through my youtube thats totally fine by me!
Jamie, thank you kindly for the tips. I just got into this at my old age of 69, out of shape and have a bad left knee. Being that as it may, do you have any tips on stick curling? I just moved to Midland, MI which there is a community curling centre and I just got involved. Your tips and explanations really helped. I was suggested to use the stick. So I was just wondering with the stick do I walk out with the rock in the in turn or out turn position then release it in the noon position or does one walk out in the 12 o clock position then turn the rock to the desired turn? Also, does one give an extra push prior to release? In other words, do you have any tips for us seniors or handicapped that use a stick. Pace of walk? Etc.
So…you grab the rock at 12 o’clock in the back and then turn it to 10 or 2?
Thanks for video
Thanks for watching!
Jamie, I'm not sure if one of your videos covers this but when do you know when to release the stone? When I'm playing I will typically try to release before the hog line, but I hear there are different strategies such as releasing earlier (just right after the house) if you are setting up a high-guard (zone 1 - 2). Thoughts or comments on this?
Im actually going to be talking about this in an upcoming video but my biggest recomendation is to always release at the same spot. No matter the shot. This makes your skips job calling line so much easier.
@@CurlUpWithJamie Perfect. Thanks for the information! I've been working on getting my hip opened up more for a better delivery slide.
How many rotations should we be looking for if we are throwing a draw to the button? I've been told 3-4, but I've seen everything from 1 to 10 (aside from a spinner, that is).
I would say 3.5 is good on curling club ice. When you get to playing on an arena on championship ice then it curls more so having a bit more rotation is better (maybe 4-4.5). You definitely should never have less than 3... the rock will be unpredictable, go sideways and slow down faster.
Just trying to clarify for myself here: if the stone tends to curl more on championship ice so you increase the rotation.. then that means the more rotations the straighter it will go? I always thought the rotation would make it curl, not go straight? Could you please elaborate? Thanks!
Hopefully this will help in my out turns where I think I'm pulling the stone "tight" or even inside the brush? Would that be the cause of pulling the stone inside?
That could be the cause, yes. Make sure that you are letting go of the rock at the 12 noon position and that you don't go past that. Going past it could result in you "starting" the rock (which means making it curl early, or being tight to the broom)
@@CurlUpWithJamie thanks for this. Ironically I'm a recently qualified coach at my club and rink in Scotland but couldn't figure this one out. I knew that I lacked +ve rotation especially on lighter shots and have been trying to encourage the stone to rotate more. Makes sense and gives me something to practice now.
Great series and I share some of your videos with my own club members on our Fettercairn Curling Club Facebook page. Hope thats okay with you🤔
Watched that fantastic shot you played in the WCF against Canada to take a 5 all the way from Scotland. Don't do the same to our girls please 🥌😅😅
So good
can u make a vid where u show how to order the rocks
hey Jamie, thanks for videos. Is it always at 10 and 2? if you take it further to 9 and 3 will it rotate more? Alternatively if I have a take out straight down center line would you keep it just at 12?
I would keep it at 10 and 2... any more and you risk starting or dumping the rock. And this applies to every shot no matter where it is reference the center line. You always want to be consistent with your release.
I'm a new curler. My teammates are telling me to keep my arm extended through the slide and delivery. Your #8 tip shows your arm bent and extending with a rotation of the wrist for either the in turn or out turn. Thoughts?
Im a big fan of sliding out with a slight elbow bend... that way if you need to make an adjustment, you have the room to simply extend your arm slightly. You also have more feel and control over the rock that way.
I think opinions/experience/advice changes. I think 30 years ago when I was a kid I was told to keep arm straight but now it is more commonly taught to keep arm as Jamie has it. I have adjusted my delivery over the decades slightly and I think Jamie is correct and it's easier to adjust weight and to get good positive release with sufficient rotation with a sight bend in arm.
When you release, are you adding a little push to the rock or are you just gently letting go?
Most people add a little i would say. Having a little bend in your elbow allows you to control the weight and if you don't kick out hard enough then you have room to add some speed with you extension
gently
As a sweeper, it's difficult when teammates give too much push because the weight is hard to judge. Also, the line will usually be compromised
It would be cool if you could do a 'behind the scenes' at one of the events you're playing -- that would be interesting.. Is that possible?
+Ned Harper I've thought about doing that but then once i get to the event i get caught up in the competition and forget to film!
Jamie: Great stuff, as always. This is one of the single most overlooked, but critical, parts of the shot. Remember, everyone - ChickenGrip is bad! IMHO, the only thing worse is the "Death Grip", followed by the "Oh-*&$%! Shove".
+Mark Olson haha too funny!
Hi Jamie
When the pro curlers release they tend to give a little nudge before letting it go ...by doing so doesn't it screw up their line and rock timing ?
So thats called an extension. The Pros are so consistent that this extension is done on the same line of delivery. And as long as they extend the same way every time and extend the same amount as their team mates... then its no problem with reference to the rock timing.
What is a draw shot?
There are 2 basic shots in Curling. A draw and a takeout. A draw is a shot where the stone comes to a stop in the rings. A takeout removes another stone from the rings by hitting it.
Hope that helps!
Wait, where do you curl out of ?
+Bricks n' Bricks This was filmed in Manotick but now I curl out of the four seasons curling club.
Hmmm... as a spectator only, I always thought that curlers had the ability to control the amount of curl (arc) through their release. But you're pointing out that every release should be the same. So that means that given identical ice conditions, every curl will (or should) exhibit the exact same arc? No matter the tactical situation of the game?
Correct. In general, more rotation will cause the rock to travel a little further and "dig in" less. Meaning, if anything a slightly straighter rock. In curling though, this is too hard to account for and isn't worth the inconsistencies. It's more valuable to take that variable out of the equation and release the same every time. Adjusting for curling then comes down to weight of the shot and sweeping.
I'm new to curling. so u always start at 10 or 2. even say on the first rock of the game when your trying to stay in the middle?
Yes. Regardless of shot, always 10 or 2.
So there's no such thing as a straight push, for when there's no need for the rock to curl (around an obstacle)? I thought the whole point of this sport which differentiates it from other "shuffleboard" type sports is the ability to curl in behind an obstacle, but only when *desired*. Otherwise I just assumed that doing a straight push is a good option when there's not an obstacle in the way.
Thanks!
It's too difficult to try to throw a rock straight. It will almost always pick up some rotation eventually on the way down which makes it hard to predict. So EVERY shot is purposely thrown with rotation and curl.
Sam Brown thanks for the great replies!
Doesn't anyone start with grip rotated past 10 and 2
Hey! when I throw my takeout weights i just don't get enough force to hit the target before the rock curls too much. Should I ask for more ice? Give it a hand push? Play nothing but draws :P?
Dan Toolsie I don't recommend giving it a hand push because that will throw off your line. Practice kicking out with more weight and having a slight extension. In the mean time, giving yourself more ice to make the shot is perfectly fine!
Perhaps most people release the rock too early are afraid of it being too late and get called on 'hogline violation' ?
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