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How To Get Duck Hunt to Work on HDTV's Right NOW! | ConsoleKits
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2018
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This is the Zapper I got. Looks like they are only $6 on Amazon amzn.to/2QVaqRe
There appears to be 2 problems getting Duck Hunt To work on an LCD:
1. Display Lag.
2. Zapper and LCD compatibility.
The fix?
The problem with the lag in modern displays is handled by using a modified from provided by neslcdmod.com.
The second problem is fixed by using an aftermarket Zapper which is evidently able to detect the change in lighting on an LCD better than the one made in the 80s by Nintendo.
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Absolutely amezing, now the next step is to make yoshi safari patchible aling with the right lightgun to make it work on a lcd/plasma hdtv!!
This is just incredible!!
Not that Zappers aren't sensitive enough, they're too sensitive. The reason they don't work on LCDs is because LCDs have a very miniscule amount of lag (some are worse in fact). It throws the sensor in the Zapper for a loop in 2 duck game because (only if you're lucky) you can shoot one duck and the other duck dies because of a one or two frame latency.
Awesome insight.
No, it’s because the nes zapper is like a camera. It takes a picture of the screen but only works on a crt by way of reflection on a glass screen.
@@michaeldavis6473 Yeah, you could compare the Zapper to a camera; a camera that only has one pixel. And you're right about the lighting, it's also a key factor since the backlight in LCDs don't shine directly out unlike the beam of a CRT, but there are very rare instances where you can actually get it to work on a plasma or LED TV
But the timing of the video is the crucial part though. The game acts in real time to check if what the Zapper sees is the white square, and on what frame, to determine A. if a duck was hit, and B. which duck. If there is even one frame of input lag, the game will count it as a miss (or like I said, the other duck will die)
@@Wflash00 "First, let’s reframe the question slightly so we’re using more precise terms. The issue you’ve uncovered isn’t about the difference between CRT and HDTVs (because there were, in the early days, consumer HDTVs built around CRT technology). It isn’t about resolution, it’s about how the display is rendered. To frame it more accurately would be to say that it’s about the difference between CRT/analog video and LCD/digital video.
Before we look at the core of the issue, however, let’s look at how the Zapper functions and interacts with the NES and television. A lot of people, and certainly most of the kids that played the NES back in the day, were under the impression that the Zapper actually shot something towards the television, much like a TV remote sending a signal to a television set. The Zapper does nothing of the sort (and what, exactly, on the television would be able to receive the signal and send it to the NES?). The only connection between the Zapper and the NES is the cord, and for good reason. The Zapper isn’t as much a gun as it is a sensor, a very simple light sensor. The Zapper doesn’t shoot anything, it detects patterns of light on the screen in front of it. This was true of all light-gun accessories for all video game systems of the era (and preceding it). They were all just simple light sensors housed in deceptively gun-like cases."
www.howtogeek.com/181303/htg-explains-how-the-nintendo-zapper-worked-and-why-it-doesnt-work-on-new-tvs/
right and wrong, the reason why it only works on a CRT TV is because it had a CRT filter inside the gun. Or in other terms, the zapper detected the infrared light coming from the CRT TV's to make it more accurate, and lcd tvs don't have inferred light coming out of the display, and lcd tvs don't have a fast enough input delay for it to capture so it detectsit as a miss shot.
Just starting my nes collection addiction. This is a must have! Thx Justin, funny you had the video I was looking for! Small TH-cam world!😂
I'm glad it works for you! Have you checked last version with auto delay? And if yes, then what delay is calculating for you? You can see it on pause in top left corner. Thanks!
Yeah, to have this confirmed on an NTSC NES with Hi-Def Nes Kit installed is great. Now I need to try it on my 55 inch ;)
With auto I am getting delay 2. Does that mean my panel has about 2 frames of lag. (that's been my unscientific estimation)
I think it is close to real. So if your console is 60Hz, then your setup delay is approximately 33 ms. But we need some confirmation from those who knows exactly :)
@@neslcdmod9121 what a time to be alive
How can I get your product?
I purchased this zapper and unfortunately it doesn't work on my flat screen TV. I have an old 42inch LG TV
I got a new tv back in 2018 and I was playing Duck 🦆 Hunt and was using the gun for it and it wouldn’t shoot the Duck 🦆. Does my tv 📺 need to be on a different picture mode to play with the gun on Duck 🦆 Hunt?
Same here iam on a roku tv and it does not shoot iam starting to think it’s the tv
Cool. Any chance we could get this to work on the NES classic? I'm pretty sure you are using a modded version of Duck Hunt when you said delay 3 or something? So even w/ a modded rom of Duck Hunt the original zapper doesn't work?
Any comments on this?
CC you need a special modded rom
I ordered that Zapp gun and mine still doesn't work I delayed the TV also I don't know what to do now I wanted to play it so bad 😢
“Not sensitive enough” is not the issue the issue is the analog CRT TV’s have scan lines that form the picture and the Nintendo gun is calibrated to the refresh rate of crt screens. Since the modern flat screen is progressive scan the gun can’t pick up the colors like it does on an old CRT screen. The aftermarket zapper must just be calibrated to pick up progressive images. Good tip on that though I’ll have to get myself one do these for the NES I just bought
how do you put it on the cartridge?
Yea works on “hdtv” but on the product disc it says does not work with hdtv
mine works same way but even works if I hold the gun backwards or cover the lense.
Not me already bought a original zapper gun for it not to work and now about to order a non original zapper gun 😅
does this have to run on original hardware? I bought 2 different zappers, one you recommended and another one, patched the rom on a N8 cartridge with links provided and it doesn't work. I am using a HDMI dual loader console.
so all I need is the gun? or a special copy of the game as well
Wow!! Is that better than a wii or ps move? 😀
Darshe more options. It’s great to have more options.
We’re do I got the duck hunt that you have ?
I got scammed the one in his description doesn’t work a lcd tvs
We’re can I get that version of the game ?
So I have a hyperkin Retrotron 5, which has the ability to install patches via sd cards, am I able to install this mod and run it, I only have the Mario/duck hunt cart.
Witchcraft!
What does delay mean does a Roku tv have delay ??? Anyone know
All LCDs have some delay compared to a CRT. If you slowed down a CRT and RokuTV on exactly the same content, the RokuTV would probably be 16ms to 50ms delayed from the CRT. That’s enough delay for DuckHunt to think you always missed the bird.
Duckhunt expect no delay. However, the LCDMod allows you to adjust the delay of the game logic to attempt to synchronize the game logic with the delay from an LCD.
Hi Justin console kits where can I buy the aftermarket nes zapper ? Will it work with any nes shooting game ? All you need is that aftermarket zapper and that’s it ? Wish there was aftermarket ps1 ps2 and sega Saturn guns that work on lcd screens , please let me know thanks
Hyperkin turned this into a product:
amzn.to/3ELaOx5
This works with the original NES console and Mario/duck hunt. The aftermarket zapper can detect light changes on LCD, and the cartridge adapter modifies the timing of the game like a game genie.
If you have an everdrive, there are rom patches for a few more games on neslcdmod.com
The Hyperkin gun is junk and the adapter doesn't work. Best stick to the Tomee light gun and the patched NESLCDMOD ROMs.
How are people getting this rom on to a cartridge? The dev cartridges I found are almost $200. Is there anything cheaper?
Here is $24 solution. Works with original hardware like a game genie.
amzn.to/3qh0N5S
how do you get the original screen size? Whenever I play my NES games, they come out stretched and blurry.
Look into the RetroTink 5x. It takes in analog signal from retro consoles and outputs HDMI with zero lag, scales the image without stretching, with full control of signal, and easy to use.
Just remember to put you console in game mode for the least lag.
Hi, did you make any modification to the zapper?
Ricardo Cruz no. I didn’t make any mods to the $6 hyperkin zapper.
This works but only if I am less than one foot from the TV :(
my screen looks nothing like your does . no option for clays and ducks is spelled different. and no shoot here. what did i do wrong?
Are you using a romcart with the patch found at neslcdmod.com?
@@ConsoleKits right now im keeping my rom on my computer untill it looks right demoing it on a "JNES" I did find a better worldwide rom i think my patching program and computer don't agree.
should i be patching a zip or nes format?
i got it!!!!!! i needed to patch the .nes not the .zip
What console are you using? Can upscale for 4k TVs?
This was a modded nes with Hi-Def NES mod kit. Only does 1080p upscaling. If you’re interested in 4k scalers, look into RetroTink 4k. It should come out later this year.😊
So... I need a 3rd party zapper, AND a hacked rom image? There's no way of getting it to work on an original cart?
NaturalGus look into the Hyperkin Blaster HD. It’s cheap $24 kit that works with original cart. Only works with the popular Mario/duck hunt cart.
Does it work with other zapper games
How do you add delay to your tv?
Ariel_flames_17 The delay has been added to the game. So you have to play a modified version of Duck Hunt.
@@ConsoleKits oh okay, thanks for telling me
@@ConsoleKits Can we get the link to that version of Duck hunt?
Ur2ez4me81 I can’t share roms, but here is where the developer shares the ips patch files. neslcdmod.com
*laughs in CRT-Elitist....
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Total piece of crap it falls right out of the plug had to return it 3 times each one didnt work at all
Such a stupid game but the tech aspect of the pistol-console-tv is interesting. Like way ahead of its time.
We’re can I get that version of the game ?
You need a patched rom and a 3rd party light gun.
neslcdmod.com