when you're looking for distraction and you're mouse wheel's takin action _acedia_ _acedia_ when you know it's working time but you're coming up with rhymes _acedia_ _acedia_
It's totally the thing a stereotypical monk from the mountains would say haha! I think it goes to show how true it is. Perhaps we all know what we must do?
No, it isn't like that, at all... there are so many ways, and so many things to do. If you want, I can translate you from my language some parts of orthodox Holy Fathers about ,"being patient". 👍😃
There is one joke about this topic: 1-How can I be patient? 2-There is one way, boy. 1-Can you tell me how to, please? 2-I will tell you tomorrow 😉 Nevertheless, I will really send you a message haha.
For me, it's not a lack of a hierarchy of priorities, it's neglecting the most important things at the top of that hierarchy. My priorities are coherent and stable: God at the top, my family, my health, my business, and on down the line. It's when I watch youtube instead of spending time with my family, scroll twitter instead of working, or take a vacation on Holy Week instead of attending services, that is acedia.
Dopamine addiction. The average person checks their phone every five minutes with five percent checking at least once a minute. Gambling is the worst addiction and same brain reward.
@@sdrc92126 At least many forms of gambling afford an opportunity for manly bonding and socializing between buddies. You don’t get that from reading Facebook all day.
I have been increasingly coming to believe that Mark 9:47 is directly applicable to smart phones. ‘And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell’
I think the problem with characterizing sins as “something I do” as opposed to “something that manifests in the world” is that it doesn’t allow for the proper grace knowing that our modern world is constructed in a way that puts people in these sinful states almost automatically. We still have to take personal responsibility as Christians, but let’s not pile on self-shame for being in a society that’s set up for us to fail!
Noooo how dare you even consider striving to be more!!! The Almighty God didn't create you to live in harmony with Him, worshipping Him for all eternity, He created you to order product from product buying website and consooooooooooom.
It feels like another piece of the puzzle is falling into place within me. God has been working wonders for me. Thank the Lord and thank you Mr Pageau for working for God’s kingdom!
We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.
My takeaways: -the solution to acedia, the fathers say it is patience and stillness -a capacity to attend -a capacity to pray (often a lot of distractions are there to stop us from praying) -develop discipline in prayer, discipline in solitude
That’s so much for putting these out Jonathan. One of the things the Vodolazkin gets at in his book Laurus is that it’s very difficult to imagine saints in the modern day world. In large part due to this. I was raised a Methodist and have recently been learning more about Christianity from orthodox Catholic and Orthodox traditions. It’s absolutely insane how little of this our culture understands. It’s hard to put into words.
Interestingly enough, one of the fruits of the Reformation was the emphasis on individual productivity and a dismissal as "waste of time" or "useless" of any form of consacrated contemplative life. Keeping busy, and the accumulation of materials goods as a sign of God's blessings can really be a sign of asedia that looks like virtue.
@@silvinasi Yeah, and I am sure they are partially right (man wastes a lot of time and always will), but their priorities are not in order. Religion should come first, serve as the bedrock and the highest goal, then work, etc. should follow.
Working with purpose would be easy if there was community, I think. The danger of being lazy is when you're alone. The solution is to solve alienation.
@@improvisedchaos8904 imagine you are a spectator (a brother, wife, sister, etc) at your own funeral. Write down what you see, hear, think. Imagine what how you would like to be remembered ("this man was a famous youtuber") for instance. Repeat it every 6 months, read the previous one and write a new text. You will be getting closer to knowing your Telos.
@@improvisedchaos8904 Stop running from life and let it find you in stillness, solitude. Let go of your dreams and allow your next step to be revealed to you
If acedia is connected to impatience, is it also expressed as discontent and ingratitude? I'm persuaded that it is. This would also suggest that utopian demands are also an expression of acedia.
Matthew 6:25-34 "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? [26] Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? [27] And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? [28] And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; [29] yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. [30] But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? [31] Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' [32] For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. [33] But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well. *[34] "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.* Essentially, I think the idea is don't get caught in obsession with improvement, where you are going, or trying to discern God's plans for you. It's easy to make an idol of whatever you imagine your destination to be, it's better to take advice from the Buddhists and "become present." It's kind of like the problem I see with peterson, he seems to live so much in the potential world, "what we could be if we got our act together," and takes all the responsibility on himself to the point that the weight crushes him. He bears all the judgement of God, while feeling none of the grace. But I'm rambling I think It's like when pageau talks about the sin of judas with the woman and the expensive perfume. Right worship comes first, then let whatever action you take follow from that
To accurately apply our modern vernacular: patience is not waiting; everyone must wait. It's being okay with how things are. Patience is being at peace with the reality that people are acting out of brokenness. It's saying "I am in a queue, I'd prefer to be done, but I am not. I am okay with that." It's the Fred Rogers philosophy of "I like you just the way you are, because you are you and I like who you are. Not what you are, or will be, or could be, or act like, or think you are, or should be, or remind me of...but who you really are, right here and now, I accept you." He was battling the great wave of growing Acedia in his time and he was correct about what the treatment is.
From the video: Acedia is the sin that represents the modern world The sin of acedia is something like “the incapacity of paying attention” It is not only laziness, it is also the busy-body; boredom, sloth, incapacity of doing the things we need to do. The monk which cannot bear loneliness and wishes to see people. Being unable to stop in silence and prayer. A desire to be constantly distracted. Looking at your phone every 5 minutes; every time you can’t help but check you phone, you are manifesting acedia. When you’re bored and you don’t know what to watch, or you feel like you absolutely need to watch something. The kind of over-powering fatigue that you get when you need to do something. It is often called the noon fatigue demon. A relentless need for change; I need a new car, new clothes, to go somewhere, etc. We need to develop discipline in prayer, discipline in solitude, the capacity to attend.
Me: can't help myself, checks my phone, and opens up TH-cam. Immediately, Jonathan Pageau yells at me and says: constantly checking your phone, that's the sin of Acedia!
Apparently in Hebrew and Greek to sin is "to miss the mark". So the sin of acedia could be understood as not paying attention to the mark, like Jonathan says to not be paying attention - no wonder the sin of acedia can sneak up on you and be so prevalent, attention is a volatile thing
0:59s "The sin of Acedia is the incapacity to pay attention." The Sin of Acedia is the forgetting of how to work. During badtimes, the ones who may be afflicted most are Academics, Ascetics, and the destitute. During goodtimes, all may be afflicted in the form of Luxus and is the downfall of civilizations. . Oh look! A Squirrel! .
How does one remember how to work? Work is purpose. Look to our ancestors (Stay focused, keep it steady) (*See "Persistence hunt' on TH-cam*) No matter how dull, no matter what else is in this 'Cave of Wonders' that you stride through, do not lose focus on the prize: (*See 'Aladdin Cave of Wonders scene' in the movie "Aladdin" on TH-cam*) .
This is very true. I personally pronounce it 'a-kid-ia', but I don't know if 'acid-ia' as Mr Pageau says it is also a viable pronunciation. Either way, it's definitely a deeply underestimated logismos.
Here here. So I'm asking questions. Primarily - paying attention to WHAT? Because we are pretty oblivious/non conscientious to the sensory world BECAUSE we are too distracted by/ conscientious of questions/meaning (heaven in this sense) right? WHICH ONE IS ACEDIA? I wish he'd speak on this.
@@NicklasNylander87 Man, reading that hurt my heart. ❤ You know what: I needed you. I needed to see my own fear reflected in someone else to know I'm full of it and need to stop worrying. We are wonderfully and fearfully made my friend, and yes - that grace is enough. 🙏 That IS what I believe - just had to see it from a stranger. Thank you. Let's not question his handiwork, shall we? ❤
There is a great book on this for those interested called "The Noonday Devil : Acedia, the Unnamed Evil of Our Times" it's probably one of the best books on depression and overall human nature I highly recommend picking it up for a read. I am going to assume that Jonathan is referencing the book a lot from this video.
No, because procrastination is a strategy for getting things done under pressure for brains that don't regulate dopamine well. Procrastination is a movement towards action, weirdly.
I think I miss the bigger picture. But which is it, sloth or wanting to see change? Cause they are almost opposites. Also, what's wrong with wanting change? Isn't it kind of the whole point of existing and the only thing that drives us to improve?
I am so familiar with it but interesting when you say it's the incapacity to pay attention you hit the nail on the head - essentially the opposite of hesychasm/Philokalia. Presumably that's the antidote.
Everyone born with ADHD: straight to hell (this is extremely depressing when you truly believe you never had a choice in how your brain processes dopamine)
I agree with the sin, idk if I agree with solution. When the solution is just” don’t do this or be more disciplined and focused because you are not”, I think this misses the why. Why this is happening, I’m not gonna try to say I know why to this largely widespread problem, but my theory is most people have lost the desire/encouragement/incentive to become strong. Could this be from our lack of Fathering in society, that we have no encouragement or spurring on, that our troubles will make us more into the ideal, and an ideal that we actually want. We have Fathers who do not care to have more health, to build, to maximize potential, we need a connection to God to father this into us. Our imaginations must be encouraged for more
If the only way you can wake the masses, is to shake the masses…you might be missing the mark. (It’s what’s inside that counts…but, by all means, divorce your wife, go buy that car, go get that kitchen aid…and, remember, “zoom zoom-a-boom boom brrraaap bap bap and wonk!”) 🖕 “I’m ‘committed’ to keeping this love alive.” - Third World
Have you never read Romans 6? "We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" Indeed the whole chapter goes on about finally getting sin AND law behind us! Too much of this video borders on another Pharisee micromanaging law (so where IS that commandment about acedia?). The solution isn't patience and discipline-that only amounts to more law. Prayer is the better answer. Stated in the subsequent chapters of Romans the solution is to no longer be mindful of the law, but be mindful of the Spirit living in us. So keep talking to him.
All great artists/thinkers struggled with melancholy/boredom aka akedia. It's only the ones with an intense complex inner life that can fall prey to akedia. I find it irritating that being bored with your stupid tedious job and being fed up with a soul crushing routine is a sin in the eyes of the church. I guess we weren't meant to be anything else then illiterate obtuse peasants who only know the eternal rythm of nature and yearly church holidays? Is that the idea or what ? Being excited to do the same thing every day is as natural and truthful as someone saying that he finds his wife to be as hot and desirable as she was 20 years ago when she was in her early 20's and didn't went through 4 pregnancies. Such wishful naive thinking but I guess that everything boils down to the truly terrible and grave sin of having free will and refusing to be an automaton.
@@chrisc7265 could you tell me why do you think I'm wrong ? I'm glad to be proven wrong, it's with great torment that I'm bashing on my orthodox faith sometimes.
@@fyodordostoevsky4290 ah okay, I was pretty sure you were intentionally playing a part because your namesake writes this character extremely well (underground man, Stavrogin, Dimitri etc) not a matter of right or wrong here --- I'll just say that in my own life, it has helped me to be vigilant for "special boy" type thinking --- I'm too good for this mundane task --- I understand things so much better than these boring people --- I shouldn't have to be low in this hierarchy --- I should have the power, why can't people see that? any time I start going down one of these paths I try to quickly correct to being grateful and finding meaning in the small and humble things, not dismissing them the alternative is a path that leads to resentment it's especially tough for artists, because mainstream culture fosters the idea that artists _are_ special boys and acting as such allows them to create better art --- in my experience not true
@@chrisc7265 well, yes, I'm very familiar with Russia literature and with the underground man syndrome, of course your point is valid, one should be grateful for the little things in life and abandon entitlement. What I'm trying to say is that I've encountered akedia/ennui in all the great writers and poets that I admire and one has to admit to the fact that sin plays a big part in the creation of truly magnificent art. I know it sounds cliche as hell the whole dilema around should we cure Van Gogh of syphilis if that would make him lose his genius ? If Dostoevsky had treatment for his epilepsy and sexual problems would we know of him today?? And the list goes on and on. What irritates me in church teaching sometimes is that I get the feeling of a total war against individuality. I've read Soljenitin and Varlam Shalamov, I know how the individual was treated under Communism, I'm not advocating the replacement of the judeo Christian values with anything else, but I can't shake the feeling that in my own Christian church and in christianity in general there is a strong contempt for individuality, the only Christian thinker that I've found so far that speaks to me is Kierkegaard, but he was also "excomunicated" by the state church in his time. So that's my "problem "
@@fyodordostoevsky4290 yeah fair enough, I'm more sympathetic to the romantic artist than I'm letting on. But I think you're missing a step in your analysis --- if mere resentment towards one's station in life produced great artists we'd be in a golden age. There's something supremely humble in Beethoven, after suffering such personal troubles in his life, never lost sight of love. While losing his connection to the world to lead poisoning, he wrote one of the iconic expression of joy and beauty in music. The suffering is an opportunity, one which great artists have overcome. In doing so, they avoid the resentment trap, at great difficulty, especially if they're naturally talented. You ask what would Dostoyevsky be if not for epilepsy and other troubles --- I'd add, what would he be if years of prison work ground him down to nothing, and he lost his connection to beauty and the divine? That would be the path of least resistance. I do understand your first post better now that you've elaborated, but I don't think that mindset leads to anything positive, artistic or otherwise. It takes focus and discipline to put pen to paper. It takes persistence to be good at anything, let alone great. There is a dissatisfaction with one's lot in life that prompts the call to greatness, but accepting that call requires submission, it requires starting at the very bottom, it requires kneeling in the dirt. It's far easier to skip getting dirty, to skip humbling oneself, and that's when you hit the dead end of resentment which is anathema to art.
Listening to a video while scrolling the comments section: acedia.
YES lol
How dare you.
Diiiiiieeeeeeee heretic
when you're looking for distraction
and you're mouse wheel's takin action
_acedia_
_acedia_
when you know it's working time
but you're coming up with rhymes
_acedia_
_acedia_
@@christophercarlson8691 ikr!!!
"Whats the solution to being impatient?"
"Be patient"
Thanks church fathers.
It's totally the thing a stereotypical monk from the mountains would say haha! I think it goes to show how true it is. Perhaps we all know what we must do?
No, it isn't like that, at all... there are so many ways, and so many things to do.
If you want, I can translate you from my language some parts of orthodox Holy Fathers about ,"being patient". 👍😃
@@todormia that would be awesome!
@@anothercat1300 All right, after the Pasha (Ister), I will translate you here. Greetings, brother.
There is one joke about this topic:
1-How can I be patient?
2-There is one way, boy.
1-Can you tell me how to, please?
2-I will tell you tomorrow 😉
Nevertheless, I will really send you a message haha.
I feel like the chief of sinners for this.
Lack of initiative. Lack of drive. Lack of purpose. It's a lack of a coherent and stable hierarchy of priorities.
Perhaps also a lack of courage to accept responsibility?
@@gomertube What use is accepting your responsibilities, if you can't put them in the right order?
For me, it's not a lack of a hierarchy of priorities, it's neglecting the most important things at the top of that hierarchy. My priorities are coherent and stable: God at the top, my family, my health, my business, and on down the line. It's when I watch youtube instead of spending time with my family, scroll twitter instead of working, or take a vacation on Holy Week instead of attending services, that is acedia.
Thank you for addressing this!!! Spot on. And thanks for hitting the two opposites, total boredom and busy bodies (needing distraction).
Dopamine addiction. The average person checks their phone every five minutes with five percent checking at least once a minute. Gambling is the worst addiction and same brain reward.
@@sdrc92126
At least many forms of gambling afford an opportunity for manly bonding and socializing between buddies. You don’t get that from reading Facebook all day.
So avoiding the difficult work that needs to be done. This is great.
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I have been increasingly coming to believe that Mark 9:47 is directly applicable to smart phones. ‘And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell’
But I'm watching this video on my phone
@@WiscoDrinks you read scripture with your right eye too...
In what way are you suggesting that this is applicable to smartphones?
@@larrygoatfish1000wouldn't a better question be: Do the blind doom scroll?
I think the problem with characterizing sins as “something I do” as opposed to “something that manifests in the world” is that it doesn’t allow for the proper grace knowing that our modern world is constructed in a way that puts people in these sinful states almost automatically. We still have to take personal responsibility as Christians, but let’s not pile on self-shame for being in a society that’s set up for us to fail!
So the endless need to be "entertained" and get our five-minutely dopamine fix is acedia? The endless need to consoom.
Noooo how dare you even consider striving to be more!!! The Almighty God didn't create you to live in harmony with Him, worshipping Him for all eternity, He created you to order product from product buying website and consooooooooooom.
@@tomhudson4719
yes! Consoooooom......😱
I-im.... Going to consooooom
It feels like another piece of the puzzle is falling into place within me. God has been working wonders for me. Thank the Lord and thank you Mr Pageau for working for God’s kingdom!
I often find myself watching these videos instead of finishing my work ... acedia lol
luckily this was a short clip
A C E D I A
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We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.
Dude 🤦♂️
Dude
Dude.
Abso-fucking-lootely.
Fight club 💯
My takeaways:
-the solution to acedia, the fathers say it is patience and stillness
-a capacity to attend
-a capacity to pray (often a lot of distractions are there to stop us from praying)
-develop discipline in prayer, discipline in solitude
"My weariness amazes me..." -- Bob Dylan
I needed this. Thanks!
So to live without purposes
That’s so much for putting these out Jonathan. One of the things the Vodolazkin gets at in his book Laurus is that it’s very difficult to imagine saints in the modern day world. In large part due to this.
I was raised a Methodist and have recently been learning more about Christianity from orthodox Catholic and Orthodox traditions. It’s absolutely insane how little of this our culture understands. It’s hard to put into words.
Keep going! Hope you join The Orthodox Church!
Interestingly enough, one of the fruits of the Reformation was the emphasis on individual productivity and a dismissal as "waste of time" or "useless" of any form of consacrated contemplative life. Keeping busy, and the accumulation of materials goods as a sign of God's blessings can really be a sign of asedia that looks like virtue.
@@silvinasi Yeah, and I am sure they are partially right (man wastes a lot of time and always will), but their priorities are not in order. Religion should come first, serve as the bedrock and the highest goal, then work, etc. should follow.
Working with purpose would be easy if there was community, I think. The danger of being lazy is when you're alone. The solution is to solve alienation.
When alone, work with purpose of building community.
I can relate to this way too much
Glad you clipped this, it stuck out when I heard you answer the question the first time
The sin of Acedia means you're not doing your purpose in life.
How can I find my purpose? I feel pulled in multiple directions and idk what to do
@@improvisedchaos8904 I would suggest pitting every possibility against each other in an imagined cage match.
@@improvisedchaos8904 imagine you are a spectator (a brother, wife, sister, etc) at your own funeral. Write down what you see, hear, think. Imagine what how you would like to be remembered ("this man was a famous youtuber") for instance. Repeat it every 6 months, read the previous one and write a new text. You will be getting closer to knowing your Telos.
@@improvisedchaos8904 Stop running from life and let it find you in stillness, solitude. Let go of your dreams and allow your next step to be revealed to you
@@nickmatthews7600 Thank you for this
This is pure gold, Pageau! I'm a study person and watch a lot os genius who talk about this things, but I never saw this description so clearly!
If acedia is connected to impatience, is it also expressed as discontent and ingratitude? I'm persuaded that it is. This would also suggest that utopian demands are also an expression of acedia.
Good point my dude
This is absolutely a sin I suffer from and something I try to overcome and pray for the strength to overcome it, thanks for the video and God bless
Amen! Christ is Risen ! Indeed He is Risen !
How do we balance that patience and being content with what we have with seeking to make our lives better?
Prayer and fasting.
Charity
Matthew 6:25-34
"Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? [26] Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? [27] And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? [28] And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; [29] yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. [30] But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? [31] Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' [32] For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. [33] But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.
*[34] "Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day.*
Essentially, I think the idea is don't get caught in obsession with improvement, where you are going, or trying to discern God's plans for you. It's easy to make an idol of whatever you imagine your destination to be, it's better to take advice from the Buddhists and "become present." It's kind of like the problem I see with peterson, he seems to live so much in the potential world, "what we could be if we got our act together," and takes all the responsibility on himself to the point that the weight crushes him. He bears all the judgement of God, while feeling none of the grace. But I'm rambling I think
It's like when pageau talks about the sin of judas with the woman and the expensive perfume. Right worship comes first, then let whatever action you take follow from that
@@papercut7141 Made perfect sense to me. Thank you for taking the time to write it down.
@@elektrotehnik94 I'm always happy when my ramblings are appreciated, thank you 👍
pray and make something with your hands. good advice
Very interesting topic.
AVOIDANCE of our SOULS
CS Lewis tabbed Pride as the chief sin of our age. We are afflicted by many sins.
To accurately apply our modern vernacular: patience is not waiting; everyone must wait. It's being okay with how things are.
Patience is being at peace with the reality that people are acting out of brokenness. It's saying "I am in a queue, I'd prefer to be done, but I am not. I am okay with that."
It's the Fred Rogers philosophy of "I like you just the way you are, because you are you and I like who you are. Not what you are, or will be, or could be, or act like, or think you are, or should be, or remind me of...but who you really are, right here and now, I accept you."
He was battling the great wave of growing Acedia in his time and he was correct about what the treatment is.
Helpful, thank you ❤
From the video: Acedia is the sin that represents the modern world
The sin of acedia is something like “the incapacity of paying attention”
It is not only laziness, it is also the busy-body; boredom, sloth, incapacity of doing the things we need to do. The monk which cannot bear loneliness and wishes to see people. Being unable to stop in silence and prayer. A desire to be constantly distracted. Looking at your phone every 5 minutes; every time you can’t help but check you phone, you are manifesting acedia. When you’re bored and you don’t know what to watch, or you feel like you absolutely need to watch something. The kind of over-powering fatigue that you get when you need to do something. It is often called the noon fatigue demon. A relentless need for change; I need a new car, new clothes, to go somewhere, etc. We need to develop discipline in prayer, discipline in solitude, the capacity to attend.
Me: can't help myself, checks my phone, and opens up TH-cam.
Immediately, Jonathan Pageau yells at me and says: constantly checking your phone, that's the sin of Acedia!
Your accent is so nostalgic for me. I grew up in New Brunswick, so it’s so familiar. I love it.
This showed up in my feed right after watching Odd Taxi, a tv show about modern day addictions...
Apparently in Hebrew and Greek to sin is "to miss the mark". So the sin of acedia could be understood as not paying attention to the mark, like Jonathan says to not be paying attention - no wonder the sin of acedia can sneak up on you and be so prevalent, attention is a volatile thing
0:59s "The sin of Acedia is the incapacity to pay attention."
The Sin of Acedia is the forgetting of how to work.
During badtimes, the ones who may be afflicted most are Academics, Ascetics, and the destitute.
During goodtimes, all may be afflicted in the form of Luxus and is the downfall of civilizations.
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Oh look! A Squirrel!
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How does one know if afflicted?
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You are busy all the time and nothing gets done.
How does one remember how to work?
Work is purpose. Look to our ancestors (Stay focused, keep it steady)
(*See "Persistence hunt' on TH-cam*)
No matter how dull, no matter what else is in this 'Cave of Wonders' that you stride through, do not lose focus on the prize:
(*See 'Aladdin Cave of Wonders scene' in the movie "Aladdin" on TH-cam*)
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God help us from this sin. I am guilty of it.
I can only watch half this video on to next Acedia
This is very true. I personally pronounce it 'a-kid-ia', but I don't know if 'acid-ia' as Mr Pageau says it is also a viable pronunciation. Either way, it's definitely a deeply underestimated logismos.
A-see-dee-uh is how I say it.
Thankfully we are not saved by works.
As a guy with ADHD this scares me... 😧
Here here. So I'm asking questions. Primarily - paying attention to WHAT? Because we are pretty oblivious/non conscientious to the sensory world BECAUSE we are too distracted by/ conscientious of questions/meaning (heaven in this sense) right? WHICH ONE IS ACEDIA? I wish he'd speak on this.
@@kaylenebrown5528 I mean, I hope that Gods grace will suffice in the end... I cant help that I'm born with this brain...
@@NicklasNylander87 Man, reading that hurt my heart. ❤ You know what: I needed you. I needed to see my own fear reflected in someone else to know I'm full of it and need to stop worrying. We are wonderfully and fearfully made my friend, and yes - that grace is enough. 🙏 That IS what I believe - just had to see it from a stranger. Thank you. Let's not question his handiwork, shall we? ❤
Brother although this is 3years old I relate so much.
really good
There is a great book on this for those interested called "The Noonday Devil : Acedia, the Unnamed Evil of Our Times" it's probably one of the best books on depression and overall human nature I highly recommend picking it up for a read. I am going to assume that Jonathan is referencing the book a lot from this video.
Who wrote this?
It helped me nothing
So, procrastination is the sin of Acedia.
I don't think so
No, because procrastination is a strategy for getting things done under pressure for brains that don't regulate dopamine well. Procrastination is a movement towards action, weirdly.
I think another sin of acedia might be wanting to automate many things, or that many things are automated
I think I miss the bigger picture. But which is it, sloth or wanting to see change? Cause they are almost opposites.
Also, what's wrong with wanting change? Isn't it kind of the whole point of existing and the only thing that drives us to improve?
Clicked on this video in the middle of acedia
So it has a name, huh...
Please do a video on all the Seven deadly Sins.........
I almost flicked to another vid before Jonathan had finished….. but then ……
I am so familiar with it but interesting when you say it's the incapacity to pay attention you hit the nail on the head - essentially the opposite of hesychasm/Philokalia. Presumably that's the antidote.
Found this video after checking my phone.
Straight to jail!
It’s also pronounced with a hard k, a-media, it’s a Greek word, and could be encapsulated as a lack of conscientiousness.
The headline and picture caught my attention because Sheikh Hamza Yusuf of Zaytuna College has said the same thing. Interesting.
so true
If I take a shot every time Pageau says “the sin of acedia” is that the sin of acedia?
lol that would be the sin of gluttony
Is the hole "Clips" TH-cam sub-channel a super spreader of acedia?
Things and stuff
Everyone born with ADHD: straight to hell (this is extremely depressing when you truly believe you never had a choice in how your brain processes dopamine)
every time you watch a yt video
There are no multiple sins. There's only one sin.
I agree with the sin, idk if I agree with solution. When the solution is just” don’t do this or be more disciplined and focused because you are not”, I think this misses the why. Why this is happening, I’m not gonna try to say I know why to this largely widespread problem, but my theory is most people have lost the desire/encouragement/incentive to become strong. Could this be from our lack of Fathering in society, that we have no encouragement or spurring on, that our troubles will make us more into the ideal, and an ideal that we actually want. We have Fathers who do not care to have more health, to build, to maximize potential, we need a connection to God to father this into us. Our imaginations must be encouraged for more
Am I engaging in "Acedia" by listening to this as I make lunch?
Acedia led me here
Can't wait for the meme version
sounds like a want for slumber or distraction.
this feels uncomfortably to familiar to me..
Kings 🤴 of acedia comment down pls
Danggggggg
I watched this video because of acedia
If the only way you can wake the masses, is to shake the masses…you might be missing the mark.
(It’s what’s inside that counts…but, by all means, divorce your wife, go buy that car, go get that kitchen aid…and, remember, “zoom zoom-a-boom boom brrraaap bap bap and wonk!”)
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“I’m ‘committed’ to keeping this love alive.” - Third World
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Have you never read Romans 6? "We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" Indeed the whole chapter goes on about finally getting sin AND law behind us! Too much of this video borders on another Pharisee micromanaging law (so where IS that commandment about acedia?).
The solution isn't patience and discipline-that only amounts to more law. Prayer is the better answer. Stated in the subsequent chapters of Romans the solution is to no longer be mindful of the law, but be mindful of the Spirit living in us. So keep talking to him.
7 deadly sins is Catholic reductionism, in Orthodox it is 8 deadly passions (born in early monastic context)
Oooof
This clip is 4 minutes long
No esta weno su platito ahi de acedia frita en un chiringuito de playa niño
All great artists/thinkers struggled with melancholy/boredom aka akedia. It's only the ones with an intense complex inner life that can fall prey to akedia. I find it irritating that being bored with your stupid tedious job and being fed up with a soul crushing routine is a sin in the eyes of the church. I guess we weren't meant to be anything else then illiterate obtuse peasants who only know the eternal rythm of nature and yearly church holidays? Is that the idea or what ? Being excited to do the same thing every day is as natural and truthful as someone saying that he finds his wife to be as hot and desirable as she was 20 years ago when she was in her early 20's and didn't went through 4 pregnancies. Such wishful naive thinking but I guess that everything boils down to the truly terrible and grave sin of having free will and refusing to be an automaton.
man I'm not sure if this is your intention or not, but perfect portrayal of the psychology of the special boy sloth here
@@chrisc7265 could you tell me why do you think I'm wrong ? I'm glad to be proven wrong, it's with great torment that I'm bashing on my orthodox faith sometimes.
@@fyodordostoevsky4290 ah okay, I was pretty sure you were intentionally playing a part because your namesake writes this character extremely well (underground man, Stavrogin, Dimitri etc)
not a matter of right or wrong here --- I'll just say that in my own life, it has helped me to be vigilant for "special boy" type thinking --- I'm too good for this mundane task --- I understand things so much better than these boring people --- I shouldn't have to be low in this hierarchy --- I should have the power, why can't people see that?
any time I start going down one of these paths I try to quickly correct to being grateful and finding meaning in the small and humble things, not dismissing them
the alternative is a path that leads to resentment
it's especially tough for artists, because mainstream culture fosters the idea that artists _are_ special boys and acting as such allows them to create better art --- in my experience not true
@@chrisc7265 well, yes, I'm very familiar with Russia literature and with the underground man syndrome, of course your point is valid, one should be grateful for the little things in life and abandon entitlement. What I'm trying to say is that I've encountered akedia/ennui in all the great writers and poets that I admire and one has to admit to the fact that sin plays a big part in the creation of truly magnificent art. I know it sounds cliche as hell the whole dilema around should we cure Van Gogh of syphilis if that would make him lose his genius ? If Dostoevsky had treatment for his epilepsy and sexual problems would we know of him today?? And the list goes on and on. What irritates me in church teaching sometimes is that I get the feeling of a total war against individuality. I've read Soljenitin and Varlam Shalamov, I know how the individual was treated under Communism, I'm not advocating the replacement of the judeo Christian values with anything else, but I can't shake the feeling that in my own Christian church and in christianity in general there is a strong contempt for individuality, the only Christian thinker that I've found so far that speaks to me is Kierkegaard, but he was also "excomunicated" by the state church in his time. So that's my "problem "
@@fyodordostoevsky4290 yeah fair enough, I'm more sympathetic to the romantic artist than I'm letting on. But I think you're missing a step in your analysis --- if mere resentment towards one's station in life produced great artists we'd be in a golden age.
There's something supremely humble in Beethoven, after suffering such personal troubles in his life, never lost sight of love. While losing his connection to the world to lead poisoning, he wrote one of the iconic expression of joy and beauty in music.
The suffering is an opportunity, one which great artists have overcome. In doing so, they avoid the resentment trap, at great difficulty, especially if they're naturally talented. You ask what would Dostoyevsky be if not for epilepsy and other troubles --- I'd add, what would he be if years of prison work ground him down to nothing, and he lost his connection to beauty and the divine? That would be the path of least resistance.
I do understand your first post better now that you've elaborated, but I don't think that mindset leads to anything positive, artistic or otherwise. It takes focus and discipline to put pen to paper. It takes persistence to be good at anything, let alone great. There is a dissatisfaction with one's lot in life that prompts the call to greatness, but accepting that call requires submission, it requires starting at the very bottom, it requires kneeling in the dirt. It's far easier to skip getting dirty, to skip humbling oneself, and that's when you hit the dead end of resentment which is anathema to art.