The arrogance of the modern person is a huge problem. The thought that we are so much smarter and morally better than people used to be is so pervasive.
I went to a rock concert just a few weeks ago. I had a great time, was really into it, singing along to most of the songs, but nonetheless it still struck me how much of a ritual it really was. Looking around me, seeing everyone singing along, giving their full attention to the band/stage…The next morning it was Sunday and I was at Mass and thought to myself with glee, now this, this is a concert. Again I had a great time at the concert the night before, but realized that it’s place on the hierarchy of ritual/worship/attention was far lower than celebrating the Mass…3-4 years ago I would not have had this reaction or perspective on things because I was not religious at that time. It’s great how I now see things from a much higher vantage point than how I used to.
Thank you, Re F. Well that’s true BiaMeese. I wasn’t referring exclusively to music during the Mass per se, but I agree. The act alone of worshippers in “concert” / together at the same time giving their attention to the highest thing (that I at least can imagine) was what struck me. However I do agree with you the lack of chanting / singing since the government/covid take-over does indeed impact ones expression of love during the Mass which in my opinion makes for a lesser exchange between us and God. As the Bible (and our intuition) teaches us one aspect of giving glory to God comes from song.
Transcript from video: In cognitive science right now, there is a whole movement which is realizing how, let’s say, even human perception works […]. Combinatorial explosion, which is the problem that there are too many facts out there, that in fact, the world ¬- there is too much; everything around you is indefinite in detail. Despite that, we are able to perceive unity, where we can see that in front of me I have a microphone, a screen, but that one thing is made of millions and millions of details; even cognitive science right now is realizing that without meaning, patterns, you cannot perceive the world - its actually flipping back to an almost ancient worldview, which is that you cannot see the world without meaning. So, from nihilism of late modernism, we actually realize that meaning is inevitable, that without it we can’t actually see or be able to walk through a room, because there is so much information coming to you - and everything you do is purpose-oriented, all the actions you pose are purpose-oriented. The idea of a just neutral reality is not possible, there is no actual access to it, and you wouldn’t want to, because you need to live a life that’s meaningful or else you’re going to die. So once you get that, you can re-engage patterns once again, you can understand, for example, that human interactions are always ritualized, that you can’t avoid rituals. We cannot engage the world without rituals. That’s what stories are; facts brought into rituals. You take all these facts and you put them into a pattern, and now they become meaningful.
When people say "I'm not religious, I'm too scientific after all" and you can see them looking down, I wonder wether they forgot was science was meant to be - acquiring knowledge. When you don't understand something, you take another approach until you get it. I wonder why people then stop at religion and just call it stupid
How come these scientists have no interest in learning about the history of human culture? Wouldn’t people want to learn where science comes from and the rich tradition of intellectual development fostered by the intermingling of these religions? Good science wouldn’t throw out old data. It seems like an excuse for ignorance more than anything IMO.
@@phonepunk7888 Specialization has ruined the sciences. Universities now train cohorts of people who only have one piece of the puzzle and are taught to extrapolate that singular piece onto the entire image. It produces a form of fractured knowledge.
"... and you can see them looking down. I wonder whether they forgot what science was meant to be - acquiring knowledge." Reminds me of the painting, "Newton," by William Blake. Spot on observation of the typical "science-worshipper." Note that in the painting, "Newton," is at the very bottom of the ocean... I'd think Jonathan Pageau would also find the painting amusing.
Whenever we think we’re smarter than prior generations we need only look at the warnings they put in things nowadays. Car manuals used to tell you how to change break pads, now they say don’t drink the battery fluid. 🤣 I got that from a meme but there’s some truth.
O como dice el dicho "el diablo está en los detalles". La fijación en los detalles es lo que podría definir a un autista: El quedar atrapado en ese hiper-materialismo, no poder escapar de la "realidad" para poder vivir en el mundo del significado. Nuestros "prejuicios" nos dan el significado que necesitamos en la vida, para poder vivirla. Dios es el último (y/o el primer) gran prejuicio, quien significa todo.
The arrogance of the modern person is a huge problem. The thought that we are so much smarter and morally better than people used to be is so pervasive.
the kind of thing that gives the ancient man inside chills
It`so pervasive we got it from the ancient people :D
I went to a rock concert just a few weeks ago. I had a great time, was really into it, singing along to most of the songs, but nonetheless it still struck me how much of a ritual it really was. Looking around me, seeing everyone singing along, giving their full attention to the band/stage…The next morning it was Sunday and I was at Mass and thought to myself with glee, now this, this is a concert. Again I had a great time at the concert the night before, but realized that it’s place on the hierarchy of ritual/worship/attention was far lower than celebrating the Mass…3-4 years ago I would not have had this reaction or perspective on things because I was not religious at that time. It’s great how I now see things from a much higher vantage point than how I used to.
I enjoyed reading your experience, very insightful
So true! When churches stopped singing during the beginning of pandemic it just felt so wrong, and this is why.
Thank you, Re F.
Well that’s true BiaMeese. I wasn’t referring exclusively to music during the Mass per se, but I agree. The act alone of worshippers in “concert” / together at the same time giving their attention to the highest thing (that I at least can imagine) was what struck me. However I do agree with you the lack of chanting / singing since the government/covid take-over does indeed impact ones expression of love during the Mass which in my opinion makes for a lesser exchange between us and God. As the Bible (and our intuition) teaches us one aspect of giving glory to God comes from song.
Just curious, which form of the Mass?
“Ritual is not only important, it’s inevitable. We cannot engage the world without ritual.”
Transcript from video: In cognitive science right now, there is a whole movement which is realizing how, let’s say, even human perception works […]. Combinatorial explosion, which is the problem that there are too many facts out there, that in fact, the world ¬- there is too much; everything around you is indefinite in detail. Despite that, we are able to perceive unity, where we can see that in front of me I have a microphone, a screen, but that one thing is made of millions and millions of details; even cognitive science right now is realizing that without meaning, patterns, you cannot perceive the world - its actually flipping back to an almost ancient worldview, which is that you cannot see the world without meaning. So, from nihilism of late modernism, we actually realize that meaning is inevitable, that without it we can’t actually see or be able to walk through a room, because there is so much information coming to you - and everything you do is purpose-oriented, all the actions you pose are purpose-oriented. The idea of a just neutral reality is not possible, there is no actual access to it, and you wouldn’t want to, because you need to live a life that’s meaningful or else you’re going to die. So once you get that, you can re-engage patterns once again, you can understand, for example, that human interactions are always ritualized, that you can’t avoid rituals. We cannot engage the world without rituals. That’s what stories are; facts brought into rituals. You take all these facts and you put them into a pattern, and now they become meaningful.
When people say "I'm not religious, I'm too scientific after all" and you can see them looking down, I wonder wether they forgot was science was meant to be - acquiring knowledge.
When you don't understand something, you take another approach until you get it. I wonder why people then stop at religion and just call it stupid
How come these scientists have no interest in learning about the history of human culture? Wouldn’t people want to learn where science comes from and the rich tradition of intellectual development fostered by the intermingling of these religions? Good science wouldn’t throw out old data. It seems like an excuse for ignorance more than anything IMO.
@@phonepunk7888 Specialization has ruined the sciences. Universities now train cohorts of people who only have one piece of the puzzle and are taught to extrapolate that singular piece onto the entire image. It produces a form of fractured knowledge.
"... and you can see them looking down. I wonder whether they forgot what science was meant to be - acquiring knowledge."
Reminds me of the painting, "Newton," by William Blake. Spot on observation of the typical "science-worshipper."
Note that in the painting, "Newton," is at the very bottom of the ocean... I'd think Jonathan Pageau would also find the painting amusing.
@@kyledonahue9315 I didn't know specialization is a recent development. Did science degrees used to be all encompassing?
Another bump bc I love this stuff.
Whenever we think we’re smarter than prior generations we need only look at the warnings they put in things nowadays. Car manuals used to tell you how to change break pads, now they say don’t drink the battery fluid. 🤣 I got that from a meme but there’s some truth.
O como dice el dicho "el diablo está en los detalles". La fijación en los detalles es lo que podría definir a un autista: El quedar atrapado en ese hiper-materialismo, no poder escapar de la "realidad" para poder vivir en el mundo del significado. Nuestros "prejuicios" nos dan el significado que necesitamos en la vida, para poder vivirla. Dios es el último (y/o el primer) gran prejuicio, quien significa todo.
Woah that's a cool liminal space in the thumbnail.
that basket behind is it from Rwanda? just curious?
Congo I think. He used to live there
@@petemaguire8677 ooohhh it looks Rwandan i can recognize it when i see it
@@lightsout630 Yes it is Rwandan