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We’re on our 4th motor home, second Monaco. We bought a 2008 Monaco Camelot 42pdq five years ago after looking at many brands. One thing that sold us on Monaco, particularly a pre-def unit, was me calling four of the top rated aftermarket RV “warranty” companies and asking them “Which manufacturer and model RV have you had the least amount of claims on?” Monaco, Newmar and Tiffin all about even with substantially less repair claims than other companies.
@Richard, We are on our first home-built ExpeditionVehicle. Nearly two decades full-time live-aboard. . Like you, we resist the Exhaust Fluid debacle. Fact is, we resist computers... our 1996 Ford CF8000 with Cummins 505ci/8.3-liters is mechanical. No fragile gizmos and gadgets. . For sharts and giggles, we read RecreateVehicle forums such as IRV2. Apparently, the latest fad is Exhaust Fluid failures, often on the way home from the dealer. The rig is towed back, parked in the weeds at the back fence, and waits for non-existent parts.
I don't have the funds to buy and operate a motor home. I watch these videos in case I win the lottery (never will happen). I guess I'll buy a pup tent.
Bought a brand new 2022 Newmar Dutch Star last October. After my first trip, Two weeks of ownership, the Girard awning just unreeled open and nothing could make it reel back in. I had to manually push it back up to the top of the RV with a ladder and mulitple ropes. I took it back to the RV dealer which was 2 hours away, and as I was driving the coolant line popped off and lost all my coolant and had to be towed in. The Chassis was a Spartan and the mechanics found the line popped off because the hose clamp was not tightened down. They also found another hose with a loose clamp. It took 3 months to get the Girard awning repaired. Everytime they mailed a new awning, it was damaged or didn't work. Now I am having problems with the electircal system. Everytime I drive the coach the GCFI breakers on all the plug in's on the passanger side goes off. Our dealer replaced the Alternator but did not help. Now I have another leak in the coolant where the line goes into the engine. i have been on 3 trips with this rv , owned it for 9 months and its been in the shop for 4.5 months. I'm not a happy Camper.
OUCH😳 not what i wanted to read while waiting on my 2024 to be delivered.... i know it is a crap shoot but if it was me in your shoes i would lose it at the dealer and probably would have a few jail bail bonds by now, hope it gets better for you 🤠
Bought a 2021 Fleetwood bounder 36F with ford V8 Godzilla chassis in Dec 2020. Zero problems with the engine, 10K+ miles, flat towing a Jeep. Had a few house issues, which were fixed reasonably quickly. Biggest problem was the Sony entertainment center which they eventually replaced under warranty and a few other electronics issues. Added liquid springs front and back and it made a huge difference in sway plus it goes lower than before when parked so we don't have to use wood blocks under the leveling jacks nearly as often. Came with truma on demand hot water heater, which we love. It's our favorite of all the RVs we've seen with 2 full baths and sleeping for 6 adults and 4 kids, combo washer dryer, etc. Love the layout and massive storage. We have thoroughly enjoyed it so far!
Good advice. We just went and looked at a 2024 Newmar. I liked the 3629 model but we did the walk through on your model. We both really appreciated the solid build and how quiet it was inside. After watching your video I might try to fined an older model. I know I don’t want anything from 2020 through 2023 after reading some of the issues from the manufacturer having to put them together so quickly during the COVID ordeal. But a big thank you for sharing your personal review.
Love the information. We own a 2018 Newmar 35ft DP. With a 360hp. Bought it used in 2019. We love the coach. No issues crossing the Rockies towing 4 on the ground. Maintenance is a bit expensive but was expected.
Recently picked up a 2005 Tiffin Allegro Bus 40QDP and we love it. It definitely needs some A/V updates (which are in progress), changing out halogen lighting to LED is required. Installing a Safe-T-Plus also. This coach was always stored indoors and is pristine. 8100 miles on the clock. All fluid analysis came back great. Maiden voyage was completed last week and we’re in love.
We agree with you guys. Becky and I have a 2017 Canyon Star with 17.5k miles, our first MH, that we ordered from NIRVC Atlanta that has been a great coach with only minor issues. 2022 was going to be our trade up year but after covid, supply chain issues, quality problems, massive price increases, etc. etc. We will now zero in on slightly used and loved 2019 Dutch Stars. We will be waiting until 2023 to make a purchase. Safe travels and keep up the good work.
We have a diesel 36ft 1990 Country Coach with ninety-six thousand miles on him. He is beautiful and is built like a tank! He glides down the highway and it's wonderful to drive. We have no slide-outs but plenty of room for the two of us. We have solid oak cabinets throughout the bus and hardwood floors in the kitchen with a stainless steel refrigerator. Our bathroom has ceramic tile with a spacious shower. Our bedroom is comfortable with unique lightening. We have some work to do on him this winter but no big issues. Enjoy your TH-cam Channel and all your great information that you share with all of us. Thank you and you both are the best!! Happy Camping!! Laurie
We looked at the Baystar a few years ago at Hershey. We decided to go smaller. Way smaller. Like a 21’ Phoenix cruiser or Coach House. To FT in 😳 and people say we are nuts but it’s our road to travel and I’m checking out of the debt living and consumerism. Going for the minimalist lifestyle. The big ones are nice and roomy but we really did some searching and decided to go small and live large. Yes I stole that line from Scott ✌🏼
Great choice! When i keep debt to a minimum or none at all in my case, my expectations are usually lower. Yet, my experiences usually exceed my expectations. It's a win win 👍🏼 Hope you found a good unit to explore the country in!
We baught a 2023 Thor with a Ford ingine it has been a total Lemon. We put it in the RV shop. We had a total of 42 problems. The Ford did really good on the trip to Mississippi from South Carolina. We are hoping that Thor will take the whole RV back. I glad both of you he’d better luck than we did. We are now looking for a better constructed RV. We need a second bedroom and that is not easy to find . Enjoyed your video.
Hi guys - we have the 2019 Tiffin Class A Open Road 36LA gas motorhome. We have had minimal issues with our house and so far nothing with the For F10. We are full time RVers for almost 4 years have around 38,000 miles. Yes we would buy Tiffin again. The customer service agents have been wonderful when we have had any questions, can’t say enough on how helpful they are. We’ve done some upgrades, but not the Liquid Springs. Sounds like we need to take a test drive 😄. Enjoyed your candid review of your experiences. Safe travels 😊❤️🇺🇸
We just ordered a 2023 Dutch Star -Already owned a Thor and never again-the 2023 Dutch Star has a lot to offer-Solar and lithium package -All electric-Oasis system-Not to mention the construction-We can’t wait-Hoping we get it in October-We went with NIRVC and so far they have been fantastic 🎉🚌🇺🇸
Hey guys great video, we have a 2022 Newmar DS 4369 and love it. Not only does Newmar build a Great RV there Service center at the mother ship is over the top. I also think what needs to be added to your over view of Newmar RV’s is where you buy your RV and if they Stand behind what there sell. We were very luck to be induced to NIRVC and team during our RV search and let me say WOW what a great experience. We could not be happier with both organizations..
I bought my BayStar used (2013 / floor plan 2901) and it suits us perfect. I have had some issues but resolved many of them ourselves. Just recently replaced slide rollers on living room slide, not a difficult job but was happy to do it ourselves. I have had 3 MH, all used and have done well with them. Great video and always great to hear your experiences and trust your suggestions, Thank You!!!
We have a 2020 Newmar BayStar 3626 and we love it. All of my RV service has been at the factory. The BayStar is our 3rd gas Class A and I found out quickly that you never go wrong returning to the manufacturer to repair any items. My only "complaint" is with Ford. Attempting to find Ford dealers willing to work on RV's is getting very difficult in the Northern Virginia/DC area. Many dealers that did work on them in 2020 do not now. The only reoccurring issue is the cab AC. We are taking it in today for the third time to find the problem/leak. I really had to sweet talk the commercial side of the Ford service to look at it. It helped that I also have a Ford truck and get my service there all the time. Wish me luck, 3rd time should be the charm!
We have a 2013 Thor Windsport 33A gas coach. Bought last year that was garaged stored and 6k miles. We launched full time. Great fit and finish, sturdy and the only main issue was our leveler pump seal started leaking couple months ago. Extended warranty covered the new pump and reservoir, with labor was $3200. We are currently in Texas to install our Liquid Springs next week. We are excited to say 🤗. We contacted Wayne on your recommendation as well as other reviews with the system. We did pros and Cons on diesel pushers and newer gas models, financially this was the best option. We love this unit, floor plan and build quality. So the best option for us since we are going to keep it and use it. Thanks again 🤙
Agree with your opinions about Newmar, we draw our opinions based on experience. We have a 2020 4369 Dutch Star and we love it. Since we purchased ours as a model year leftover in December of that year, we have been shocked at the price increases on newer models. We would most likely not be in the market for a newer model at current prices and consider ourselves fortunate to have bought when we did. We plan to keep up with maintenance so that it lasts.
Totally agree with NOT purchasing a NEW RV anytime soon. We own a 2018 and if and when we trade, it will be another 2018 or older. Thanks for the video.
We like our Newmar and it's enduring style, fit and finish, drivability, storage, and quality from top to bottom, front to back. This is our third motorhome, a 2000 38' Dutch Star we bought used in 2003. We like: single-piece roof; two ducted heat pump A/C's; ducted furnace; ISC 8.3 Cummins on a Spartan chassis with airbag suspension all around and independent front suspension; north-south 60x80 bed with full-time access on three sides (no bedroom slide); large shower aft of toilet room, across from lavatory; dinette table and sofa in traffic-side slide; light oak wood which keeps the inside bright; solid-surface counter with cover over range; many handy electric receptacles; leather for sofa, recliner, driver and passenger; dual-pane windows; easy, quiet ride all day; spacious basement storage; 7500 Quiet Diesel. We converted all inside lights to LED, replaced both TV's with LCD, and replaced radio with bluetooth capable. Wish we had: an engine brake for mountains.
Interesting series of events you have gone through with your Baystar. We had upgraded to a new 2019 Tiffin 32SA ( very similar to Baystar) and had that for 2 years. We dumped a lot of money into the suspension upgrades in 2019 because of how poorly the F53 chassis was (shame on Ford for never really improving it). After our last long trip in the fall of 2021, we decided we had had enough and went and traded in for a 2017 Tiffin RED 33AA DP. This is what we should have bought to start with! Better ride, more room, better MPG, better handling, annual maintenance is not that much more than the 32SA,. The only negative I can come up with is that the 33AA has less stage in the bays than the 32SA had, but has plenty of interior storage in the same footprint of, basically, 35 feet as we did not want to go above that. Oh, and I don't miss the screaming engine that never seems to redline, either pulling grades along the continental divide.
I have worked at a Midway RV for 32 years. Most of those years have been in sales. I can tell you that your experiences with the Ford chassis shocked me. I have found the opposite to be true. That chassis has been absolutely bullet proof. Usually if someone wants their best chance of having minimal problems I would point them toward a Bay Star every time. For what it’s worth, we have also seen shockingly little change since the purchase by Winnebago. There has been zero influence on the products. It’s human nature when you have problems with a coach to point at the change in ownership as the reason. If there had never been a change in ownership that customer still would have had those same problems and found some other “reason” for them. Usually when a problem occurs there is a balance of blame between Newmar, vendors, dealer, and even the customer in regard to how it is handled. If we all work together for the hood of the customer, it’s a win.
Have a 2022 Bay Star 3609. Ordered it with Truma, egress door, washer/dryer, bunk over cockpit, residential refrigerator. Very pleased with it. Few minor adjustments like Fantastic fan lids raising arm mount breaking being the worst. Newmar sent new lids and dealer replaced. Did upgrade chassis suspension, steering stabilizer, Koni shocks, rear Trac bar, noticeable difference. Overall pleased with 1400 miles and @ 40 days camping.
Great video. I was doing some Class A MH research and the 3 that kept coming up as good brands was the Newmar, Tiffin and Integra. As far as floor plans the Newmar was my 1st choice. As they say there is no perfect RV. I still can't understand y why not take a best floor plan of each area in the rv from several brands and build. I see some great floor plans to only be disappointed by exposed cabinet hinges, no power theater seats, tv not in a straight viewing position, no pantry. After having several RV of the last 24 years it's hard to find a great rv. I hate spending a few thousand extra to replace new things in an rv.
Your commentary is appreciated. The powertrain issues reinforces our belief that Ford quality control is unacceptable and we won't consider buying a unit with Ford product installed.
We have a 2001 Newmar Kountry Star Diesel Pusher. It's been great. My husband has fixed a few things himself and does the oil filter changes at home , we have put 20,000 miles on it. I'd love a Dutch ☆ though .😍 We have a queen bed and only one super slide so we'd consider a king bed a quad slides in a minute. We got a great deal on her in April 2020 and already got our 💰 worth out of her in 2.5 years. Glad we bought a Newmar Diesel Pusher out of the gate. We lucked out .
I’m in the “researching” phase of RVing. I plan to start full time after New Year 2023 & I’m 99% sold on a diesel. It seems u really can’t go wrong. Happy Travels to u:)
Great video. Glad you are sticking to New Mar but with older ones I would too not with the issues they are having with the new ones. Glad you have Nelli back up and running good. At least I hope she is. Hope you have a great day. See you soon!
I know no one wants a Thor, but we love our Venetian. Owned it a year and it was 3 years old when we got it. No major issues, just normal house moving stuff. No chassis issues at all. Our biggest issue is the TV’s.
Wow, I didn't know Winnebago brought out Newmar. Well thought out review of your decision if you will purchase another Newmar coach. By the way, your Nellie is still looking mighty lovely. 💖💝❤️😊 And your so right about the rug in slide floors. Annoying! You cannot vacuum those areas and rugs have odors when damp. Sorry to hear that you had to repair some issues with her. That is pretty expensive. Lucky you saved enough funds for those repairs. I recall some of them. All the best. Have a blessed and good night. 💖💝❤️🙏
as many know, Big Blue is a 2019 Bay Star 3414 with the same paint job as Nelli (damn that paint scheme is sweet!) Our first coach was also a Bay Star 2014. The 2014 we bought new off the lot, Big Blue we ordered as Lyn loved the 3414 floor plan that came out in 2018. Since she HAD to have the 3414 floor plan we had to order new since not any used 2018 to be found, and we are SO glad we didn't find a used one as our paint scheme was not available the first year, and as it turns out was only done 2019. And as everyone knows you ALWAYS have some problems with new production coaches no matter the make, model, or price point, and we have had some, thankfully nothing that has taken us off the road. And Newmar has been great in taking care of things, even couple little items after out of warranty . Since I'm an old fart hopefully Big Blue will last as long as I should be driving so we never plan on getting a different one. But personally IF we were going to get a different one it would be something used and most likely another Newmar. But also personally, I would never buy ANY coach 2020-2023 ANY make.
@Jim, The factory RecreateVehicle industry is run by committees of accountants. You are their target purchaser. . This's not a bad thing. By buying a factory RecreateVehicle, you are helping employ thousands of other-wise home-bound televisionprogramming watchers. Thank you for keeping them off the streets for a few hours every day!
The head units on all RV’s are “cheap”. We had the Sony one on ours and we just replaced it, with zero regrets. I totally agree on the carpets, just not acceptable on a 2019 or newer coach. Also the liquid springs, should be on every F53 chassis used on an RV. For just safety reasons alone! Great video again.
We have a 2021 Jayco Pinnacle fifth-wheel. A mechanic called it a "Covid Camper." I truly believe all of quality control department was not working when they finished building ours. They didn't even have a hose from the Black Tank Flush TO the Black Tank!!!! So, we had a TON of water damage. Now we will be taking our fifth wheel to the factory for many different things and we will have to fork out a hotel for, at least, THREE WEEKS!!! It's all insane. The same mobile mechanic told me that they work on 2022's, 2021's and 2020's more than any year put together.
Yours is not the only one that has substantial issues with virtually every aspect of the coach. I’m following some friends who are on their second in as many years. Sloppy workmanship and missing parts that could have caused fatalities. I’d avoid this make no matter how much they reduce their prices. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and it will.
Ya, almost all motorhomes have horrid headlights. I belong to a huge Newmar owner's forum and I haven't seen that many complaints or repair issues, except one dealership related. Newmar is less likely to make good on out-of-warranty problems after the 2nd or 3rd year than in the past. The biggest issue I have read are supply chain ones, but I have heard complaints about "Substituted" things like water pumps and such. They used what they could get.
I've read some stuff on RV build quality. Once the pandemic hit, so many people went to RVs...all of them from pop-ups to diesel pushers...that the manufacturers were just cranking them out as fast as they could. Things got sloppy and that was with everybody. So I've heard that many people who do their research out there are looking for pre-pandemic models. For one, the kinks have been worked out and there were always things that needed to be addressed on RVs, even 3+ years ago. The best rule of thumb though is to have any RV you're interested in purchasing be professionally inspected before you buy it. That includes new models. There will always be something that needs addressed.
@Tom, We delivered RecreateVehicles manufacturer-to-dealer and dealer-to-shows. Some might call us 'industry insiders'. . We would *NEVER* trust a factory RecreateVehicle. One word: * staples into particle-board. Another word: * Holes! In! The! Roof!.
@@largemarge1603 You'll find that stuff in the lower end RVs but Newmar does not use staples and particle board. That's the stuff you find in Thor and lower end. But if you want to go custom it can be done. Thing is that even for say a Class B..ARV near Cleveland, OH builds them and you're looking at around $400k. You do a Prevost custom job and you're starting at a million. So the nice stuff that's still expensive is made by Newmar and Tiffin.
Owned three Newmar Dutch Star and would NOT have anything else. We had a Tiffen and it was a great couch but the Newmars have more storage and cabinets are much better. Just my two cents worth.
Thank you for the revue of “Nellie” as I truly enjoyed hearing about the good, the bad and the ugly. I have owned four RV’s which have all been trailers or 5th wheels manufactured by Jayco, and Keystone. My favorite Class A RV was the Dutch Star by Newmarket except for the cost. Love the layouts and the finish of the units but the cost was just too great. I also liked the Thor Class C Quantum PD31 which they have discontinued. Now like you have said, I am hearing horror stories about all manufacturers and the issues that people are having. With the newer units as my RV presently is a 2013 Keystone Montana 5th wheel which I have only had minimal issues with and they were covered under the warranty. Other than that, the unit has been great and have put a lot of miles on it. Now I would buy a Class A , Class C or possibly Class B except everything I like is too expensive.
You helped us make up our mind, my wife doesn’t want a class A, I was debating between a Holiday Rambler Vacationer 36F (we need the bunk room) and the Nexus Rebel 35R or Wraith 36W with bunks I think. After the confirmation that Ford sucks in RVs as well, it looks like Nexus will be the direction we go. Whatever model we choose, it will have Liquid Spring. The only difference between us is we will go new, at least for our first one. Thank you for all your tips and ride-a-longs. Stay SAFE!
I can't confirm that Ford sucks. Like any production vehicle manufacturer, some units will have issues, but many more won't. From my own experience, I've owned 5 motorhomes on Ford chassis over the last 30 years and only one major issue and zero minor issues in all those years. The one failure was a poor weld on the torque converter which ultimately failed after 6 years. This could have happened with any vehicle and torque converters are often supplied by a Tier 1.
I bought the 2021 3927 new with garage/toy hauler, I have logged 9K miles. Yep I blew it and once the many issues are "fixed" I am selling it. Hey I'll make ya deal on a great low mileage RV!
Just a quick note. I hope you read this. I noticed in this video that your windshield wipers are overlapped incorrectly. If you turn them on, one blade will interfere with the other! BTW, we own a 2018 Newmar Ventana and the quality (both house and chassis) has been very nearly perfect.
We agree about the pandemic production. Wouldn't own one, too many supply chain issues. I saw mismatched appliances, on a W/D stack no less. However, our Tiffin had us gun shy due to the model we purchased 2012, so we upgraded? We think to a 2017 Ventana 3436. Had 25k on it and we are on our first extended trip. So far very happy! Also love the Dutch Star 4018 as well as Allegro Bus, but just couldn't justify the reach. Thanks for the honest review. We will be going to The Tampa Show in January after home for the Holidays. Liquid Spring is a vendor on our list. Not even sure if they do Freightliner Chassis.
We purchased a 2015 Thor hurricane 34e. It had 5500 miles 5 years ago. Knock on wood we haven't had many issues. We did buy a extended warranty when we bought it which has come in handy for a few big items. Overhead bunk motor and currently the main slide motor. Anybody reading this.....you need to make sure you do regular maintenance on any rv, and you you can do 80% yourself. That will save you money in the long run. As to a Thor hurricane I would buy it again.....maybe not new. Seeing i have seen TH-cam videos where new hurricanes have had issues. If we were to purchase another motor home we would definitely look at something prior to covid. P.s we just completed a 6,000 mile trip out west and everything went well my coach even handeled climbing the continental divide in Colorado.
@Tom, "... my coach even handled the [mountains]..." That is the job of any vehicle of any type. . You sound surprised at the ability of your 'coach' to accomplish the actions every other vehicle does daily. This speaks volumes about the factory RecreateVehicle industry. "None of the cabinets danced across the floor, none of the appliances caught fire... a major 'win' right there!"
Thanks for this again! So appreciate your transparency. I probably would not opt for the Ford chassis. Something with a Freightliner or perhaps the GM Super C. Thanks again!
I always buy a used RV that is a few years old. Bugs are worked out ahead of time. Sure, being that it's a little older, equipment is getting older. Plus, buying used from an owner, you know more of the history on their maintenance and any issues. Plus no depreciation as you drive it off the dealer lot. Go to the dealer, look around and then shop for used to your options.
We own a Tiffin Open Road gas and wouldn’t recommend it if you’re going to be in hot weather. The insulation is poor and you’re lucky if you can keep it 10 degrees cooler than outside at the high of the day. However, storage is awesome and that’s what keeps us in ours. If we could find a Newmar with the Tiffin’s storage - I would be all over it.
It makes a lot of sense buying a used motorhome. The brands that you are looking at are amongst the best available. I’m in total agreement that as far as new vehicles are concerned you are looking at problems no matter what they say. I believe you are far better off buying a low mileage built prior to the pandemic. They are starting to appear in most dealerships or on consignment as people have to decide what they can afford going forward. Just one suggestion is that no matter where you buy your motorhome have an independent inspection for peace of mind and if something shows up make sure that it’s fully repaired prior to parting with your money. You may want the work inspected by your individual who carried out the initial inspection. For a few hundred dollars you will have peace of mind beyond any guarantees that accompany your purchase. Safe travels to all 💕💫
First of all, love you guys. I look forward to every video. I am a tiffin guy first, but love Newmar also. In many way, I think it is preference. Honda vs Toyota . Cannot go wrong either way
Izzy, I tell people the same thing about driving the rig after the liquid spring, just like driving a 3500, actually a little smoother then some 3500’s I’ve been in. Love our rig as well. I do want to swap out our sleeper sofa, would love to talk Missy into nice recliners.
We've been looking at Class Cs lately and would prefer used. We realized we are in a weird timing spot. If we go diesel, we want the newer Mercedes chassis which started in 2021 or if gas, the new Ford V8 and not the V10. But 2021 and newer are the "Covid Coaches" , so not really sure what to do, maybe wait a few more years.
Thank you for the great information. I have just made a deal with a 2018 Newmar Ventana LE. I will be picking it up the middle of September in Arizona and driving it back to Florida. I can't wait.
Sure would be nice to know how much all of these upgrades cost even the ones from a couple years ago? We did look at a used Newmar but when test driving it was all over the road and I mean “scary” all over the road! It also had little strawberry air fresheners in every A/C outlet??? We ended up going with a new Thor A.C.E. F53 chassis with the 7.3 Godzilla engine. So far so good!
I think you just echoed my research results. Don’t buy any new rvs that where produced in the las 2-3 years production problems across the board have been reported by numerous other TH-camrs and other campers I’ve run into while camping. Don’t buy new until they get there act together. Thanks for reinforcing my hard work and I will be referring your channel to others so they can hear it straight from you
Good video once again... As a very experienced overlander and an engineer in the outdoor recreational industry, I do have some input on your points. - Headlights update: While this is a very popular trend in the auto / truck / Motorhome arena to replace the halogen bulbs with LED bulbs, this is a serious mistake. Headlight housing units with halogen bulbs are designed specifically for halogen bulbs and NOT LED bulbs. Yes, they are brighter for you, but they are also very dangerous to oncoming vehicles. The LED light pattern does not reflect correctly in halogen housing units. A bit of a pet peeve of mine, but no, not a good recommendation. - Liquid Springs: Yes, liquid springs are the absolute best suspension option for the F53 chassis. They are phenomenal. However, the aftermarket upgrade for installing front and rear liquid springs is around $24 - $26K. In my opinion, not a cost affective upgrade for a gasser RV. This price point gets you in range of a diesel with an equal suspension. The new F53 V8 chassis was significantly improved over the later. The following 4 upgrades to the new F53 makes it ride very nice and makes a world of difference: 1) KONI shocks all around 2) Front Sumo springs (not rear, the new rear bump stops are suffice without stiffening the rear Koni's ) 3) Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer 4) Rear Trac bar (Super Steering) - COVID Quality Issues: COVID and coming out of COVID caused a world of hurt in ALL manufacturing industries and not just in the RV world. Primarily affected by the high demand, lack of personnel, and supply chain shortages. The 2020 and 2021 year productions were primarily affected and honestly, I would not touch a '20 or '21 RV.. However, there is some good news: 1) The RV manufactures have recognized their problems for the past 2 years and made conscious efforts to correct them. Most have slowed down production and concentrated on making better products. 2) While Ford is not perfect, they have worked out the kinks in the new F53 V8 platform. The new godzilla engine is a beast and a nice improvement over the older v10. The suspension upgrades are also nice. In summary, I think Newmar is a good option as well as several others. While there is nothing wrong in looking at a used RV, personally, I would not do so. Particularly with drivable motorhomes, the amount of stress put on them from use is very high. This stress ultimately weakens the structure which is why I look for new. But again is my personal viewpoint. Me personally, I evaluated several units while shipping for my latest MH.. I ended up selecting a Fleetwood Bounder for it checked all the boxes. It was manufactured in June '22 and is solid. I spent a great deal of time inspecting and analyzing it from an engineer's standpoint. The quality was solid and I only found 2 very minor issues that ware corrected in a matter of minutes. Did the suspension upgrades immediately and put some decent miles on it already. So far, solid a s a rock and a joy to drive. I would've preferred a DP, but the Mrs did not want to spend the extra $ for one. When I retire, I'll most likely move up to a Mega/Super C for the support infrastructure is much better.
@@EndlessRVing I hear you and have no doubt. Most halogen headlights suck and are typically only used as cost savers. This is true for many type of vehicles, however replacing with LED bulbs is not the answer. This may be dangerous and cause a blinding affect to oncoming traffic. If an incident occurs, there may also be a liability issue related as well. I would suggest not changing the bulbs and adding additional after market "fog" style lights in the amber color. Diode Dynamics and Baja Designs both make SAE/DOT approved aftermarket fog lights for this exact purpose. The Diode Dynamics in Amber are particularly nice and useful for they offer different brightness levels, can be property aimed, and provide a distinct lighting path line so that oncoming drivers are never blinded (if aimed properly). The ambers are fantastic for they really light up the road in an eye pleasing manner without over bright white light. Note: I have no affiliation with Diode Dynamics or Baja Designs. I have purchased and used Diode Dynamic lights on several vehicles for this exact reason. Note 2: Before adding any forward facing lights, be aware of your state's vehicle lighting laws. Some states have funny rules on adding lights. Note 3: Hoping to be helpful and not argumentative🙂
I have a '21 3408 Baystar and have paint chipping under the slide - small detail but Newmar paint has lost its luster with me. A word of advice - live near your dealer (for future Rv purchasers) The new engine will move the beast well. Issues fixed at Ford were new wires and plugs on 2 cylinders - engine light came one going over the mountains in BC. Going downhill with the new transmission and engine is not too bad. Going uphill is just a question of fuel conservation - but she goes. Being a gasser - toads are limited but we pull a bike so no problemo. I would buy a Newmar again - and like you would search for older RVs with a Cadillac ride and a big motor. Cheers
I have had my 2004 Kountry Star DP 3904 for 19 years and just replaced my first house item, Dometic fridge so no complaints...Newmar has definitely changed since 2004 and since Winnebago took over...Their customer service is average at best now...I totally agree on never another new rv.
Absolutely correct. Since the pandemic hit…all RV manufactures have had major issues. I think it’s going to take another 2 to 3 years for things to level out and some of the quality to come back. Seems like RV manufactures have reduced the output of RVs…I am hoping that is in the direction to help with quality control. Also, since the free pandemic money has gone away…less demand for RVs…slows down dealership orders and people ordering. We have a 2018 Open Road 36UA - we love it. We have had some minor issues, all covered by Tiffin. This is also under Tiffin and not under the new ownership - Thor / Rev Group. We are looking at a DutchStar or Ventana…same boat…will probably be used…and not for another 6ish years - our retirement gift from the PD and Military. The 2020 to 2022 models seem to have a lot of horrific issues - that is sad. I did see with the lower demand and the interest rates rising…the discounts have come back. We got 30% off MSRP on our Tiffin from General RV in August of 2018. We will see. Stay safe, safe travels, best of luck with Nelly!
2005+ Country Coach totally updated and remodeled in the low to mid $300,000 is kind of where I’m heading. One with the large living windows and fewer upper cabinets in the front living space so it looks more like a Newell and have built a custom office area for working from home. 😃👍
I own a 2016 ventana le 4037 it has the Cummins 360 if you get a Newmarket I recommend you get the 400 or 450 Cummins cause the 360 is a bit slow on hills other than that it is a great vcoach
Ya'll sure had more luck getting issues fixed out of warranty than we did. Guess it pays to have a vlog..... might have to start one next time a buy new rv.
We didn't bought new or high-quality rv for first timer. I am totally looking to buy an older short disel. Anything 2009 up will be a quality nightmare that I don't want to repeat .
well best advice ill give ya is well..... i been full time class A living since 1971 so first always buy used as u well know but stay within the years of 1999 to 2008 they were the best built and the people that really cared about high quality were still alive in family owned businesses back then. we bought a 2004 tiffin phaeton DPusher her name is war machine cuz she is a beast!! anything newer than 2008 ya need that diesel additive wich is crazy to me and your just askin for trouble so any class A before 2008 your golden buy newer at your own risk . i had a choice between a 2023 an a 2004 i chose the 2004 newmar is great....TIFFIN is beast.
I so wish we had listened to our little voice in the (back of your brain), and NOT purchased our Fleetwood Bounder. I wish we had held out a little longer, and got a diesel pusher. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, the Newmar Ventana 4369 (I think that's that floorplan, bath and a half)💖, the difference between the Dutch Star and Ventana, are not worth the price difference to me. I love that they have the escape door in the rear bath! I don't see us ever purchasing new again! LOL You know what I'm talking about! We previously had an Itasca, which we had purchased new, and traded for the Bounder. (HUGE mistake!)☹
After working for Ford for over 30 years, I find it disheartening to discover they won't service their own product. It makes me want to call Dearborn and ask them what on earth from a sales perspective they are thinking! When you pay what you have to pay for a motorhome, you would THINK the 2 manufacturers who produce it would work in harmony to resolve your issues so as you return again for another purchase down the road.
We did call their corporate office. The answer was they cannot force private dealers to service Ford products even if it’s covered under warranty. It’s terrible
@@EndlessRVing I hope this makes RV Manufactures look at alternatives to Ford. I know there isn't many, but there are some, and perhaps if they all begin to collectively work together to bring their clients a better product, Ford will respond.
@@robhilgert1550 Rob, are you in the dictionary under 'optimist'? The factory RecreateVehicle industry is run by committees of non-camping accountants. . As long as enough new -- inexperienced -- buyers are wowed by swoopy decals, cheap disposable junk will continue to be built.... and bought.
@@EndlessRVing I am not a lawyer, but if my recollection serves me correctly, ALL Ford vehicles have a 3 year, or 36,000 ml warranty on their total drive train, electronics, and emission control systems as standard. In fact, emission control by federal law was, and probably still is, 50,000 mls. These warranties are baked into the price of the vehicle, and it is their responsibility to service it. I am in no way doubting your word on what you were told, but I am shocked that they had the absolute nerve to tell you, or any other customer, that you are basically on your own. Heck of a way to run an auto business. They should be ashamed of themselves, and if they don't want to service them, get out of the business of offering a platform for RVs to be built on, or at the very least, give purchasers an aftermarket warranty in the place of theirs who will service the rigs! When I worked there, the cost of any new vehicle had as a cost baked in at the very least 4.3% hike BECAUSE of the expected warranty service on said vehicle. Nice of them to keep that profit, and just pass the cost on down to the consumer that purchases an RV.
@@dangarcia1989 if you have time call local Ford commercial service centers and tell them you need a motorhome serviced. See how many are willing to service your Motorhome.
I wouldn’t buy new, depreciation and the small glitches being ironed out while trying to get warranty work is too much for me. I am looking at country coach and Newell. Also I am only interested in diesel pusher. Don’t like all the noise upfront while driving a gasser and need the power when out west in 10,000 foot elevation. Country coach has great support still even though they are almost all over 10 years old and they were built so well to begin with. Newell also have a lot of support and the interiors are next level.
When you bought the Miller's were in control (class act). You probably would be paying the full $1900 these days:) Newmar was a great coach in the day but times have changed:)
@@EndlessRVing It must be the Miller's "spirit" then...lol. All things considered Newmar is the best out there as far as I am concerned though I am really glad I didn't pull the trigger (was really close to signing with all specials approved including the 26,000 chassis) on the 2022 Bay Star 3401 last July 2021. Things are a changing and for 2023 they started with all that computer/digital electrical crap...lol
Y’all need to look at an older Prevost there really is no other coach don’t be afraid to go back 15 years get one that’s been loved. They are so much better the ride and feel is unbelievable I owned serval production coaches for well 20 years and they just don’t hold up. Going into year three on my Prevost never been on the side of the road. I have spent some money upgrading TV’s new hardwood floor and well just making it mine. I do all my own work inside and outside I don’t think anyone needs a coach that doesn’t work on them. IMO anyway good travels and stay safe.
I'm hanging out with you folks cuz I'm really getting used class a newmar. You guys are pretty sweet couple I must say. I guess my fear is going with a gas engine and all of the typical built to break type of issues I think more common than diesel. What do you folks think?
I’d like to know if you think this vehicle will have a problem pulling an F150? I really enjoy your videos and great information. We’re looking at a 22 33HB Invicta and I would love your opinion on the coach and tow vehicle. We’re not full timers nor ever weekenders. We’ll probably just be doing a few big trips a year and hanging with friends every few weeks or so, but still want to bring a vehicle most of the time. We have a few more years until full retirement and will be upgrading then. Thank you.
If shopping class A I would buy a 2000-2006 Country Coach, Beaver, Newmar, or Monaco long before I bought any of the junk they have churning out post 2008 GFC.
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If your looking for a great ride buy a used diesel coach
We’re on our 4th motor home, second Monaco. We bought a 2008 Monaco Camelot 42pdq five years ago after looking at many brands. One thing that sold us on Monaco, particularly a pre-def unit, was me calling four of the top rated aftermarket RV “warranty” companies and asking them “Which manufacturer and model RV have you had the least amount of claims on?” Monaco, Newmar and Tiffin all about even with substantially less repair claims than other companies.
@Richard,
We are on our first home-built ExpeditionVehicle.
Nearly two decades full-time live-aboard.
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Like you, we resist the Exhaust Fluid debacle.
Fact is, we resist computers... our 1996 Ford CF8000 with Cummins 505ci/8.3-liters is mechanical.
No fragile gizmos and gadgets.
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For sharts and giggles, we read RecreateVehicle forums such as IRV2.
Apparently, the latest fad is Exhaust Fluid failures, often on the way home from the dealer.
The rig is towed back, parked in the weeds at the back fence, and waits for non-existent parts.
I don't have the funds to buy and operate a motor home. I watch these videos in case I win the lottery (never will happen). I guess I'll buy a pup tent.
Bought a brand new 2022 Newmar Dutch Star last October. After my first trip, Two weeks of ownership, the Girard awning just unreeled open and nothing could make it reel back in. I had to manually push it back up to the top of the RV with a ladder and mulitple ropes. I took it back to the RV dealer which was 2 hours away, and as I was driving the coolant line popped off and lost all my coolant and had to be towed in. The Chassis was a Spartan and the mechanics found the line popped off because the hose clamp was not tightened down. They also found another hose with a loose clamp. It took 3 months to get the Girard awning repaired. Everytime they mailed a new awning, it was damaged or didn't work. Now I am having problems with the electircal system. Everytime I drive the coach the GCFI breakers on all the plug in's on the passanger side goes off. Our dealer replaced the Alternator but did not help. Now I have another leak in the coolant where the line goes into the engine. i have been on 3 trips with this rv , owned it for 9 months and its been in the shop for 4.5 months. I'm not a happy Camper.
OUCH😳 not what i wanted to read while waiting on my 2024 to be delivered.... i know it is a crap shoot but if it was me in your shoes i would lose it at the dealer and probably would have a few jail bail bonds by now, hope it gets better for you 🤠
Bought a 2021 Fleetwood bounder 36F with ford V8 Godzilla chassis in Dec 2020. Zero problems with the engine, 10K+ miles, flat towing a Jeep.
Had a few house issues, which were fixed reasonably quickly. Biggest problem was the Sony entertainment center which they eventually replaced under warranty and a few other electronics issues.
Added liquid springs front and back and it made a huge difference in sway plus it goes lower than before when parked so we don't have to use wood blocks under the leveling jacks nearly as often. Came with truma on demand hot water heater, which we love. It's our favorite of all the RVs we've seen with 2 full baths and sleeping for 6 adults and 4 kids, combo washer dryer, etc. Love the layout and massive storage. We have thoroughly enjoyed it so far!
Good advice. We just went and looked at a 2024 Newmar. I liked the 3629 model but we did the walk through on your model. We both really appreciated the solid build and how quiet it was inside. After watching your video I might try to fined an older model. I know I don’t want anything from 2020 through 2023 after reading some of the issues from the manufacturer having to put them together so quickly during the COVID ordeal. But a big thank you for sharing your personal review.
Glad it was helpful!
Love the information. We own a 2018 Newmar 35ft DP. With a 360hp. Bought it used in 2019. We love the coach. No issues crossing the Rockies towing 4 on the ground. Maintenance is a bit expensive but was expected.
Recently picked up a 2005 Tiffin Allegro Bus 40QDP and we love it. It definitely needs some A/V updates (which are in progress), changing out halogen lighting to LED is required. Installing a Safe-T-Plus also. This coach was always stored indoors and is pristine. 8100 miles on the clock. All fluid analysis came back great. Maiden voyage was completed last week and we’re in love.
We agree with you guys. Becky and I have a 2017 Canyon Star with 17.5k miles, our first MH, that we ordered from NIRVC Atlanta that has been a great coach with only minor issues. 2022 was going to be our trade up year but after covid, supply chain issues, quality problems, massive price increases, etc. etc. We will now zero in on slightly used and loved 2019 Dutch Stars. We will be waiting until 2023 to make a purchase. Safe travels and keep up the good work.
We have a diesel 36ft 1990 Country Coach with ninety-six thousand miles on him. He is beautiful and is built like a tank! He glides down the highway and it's wonderful to drive. We have no slide-outs but plenty of room for the two of us. We have solid oak cabinets throughout the bus and hardwood floors in the kitchen with a stainless steel refrigerator. Our bathroom has ceramic tile with a spacious shower. Our bedroom is comfortable with unique lightening. We have some work to do on him this winter but no big issues. Enjoy your TH-cam Channel and all your great information that you share with all of us. Thank you and you both are the best!! Happy Camping!! Laurie
We looked at the Baystar a few years ago at Hershey. We decided to go smaller. Way smaller. Like a 21’ Phoenix cruiser or Coach House. To FT in 😳 and people say we are nuts but it’s our road to travel and I’m checking out of the debt living and consumerism. Going for the minimalist lifestyle.
The big ones are nice and roomy but we really did some searching and decided to go small and live large. Yes I stole that line from Scott ✌🏼
Great choice! When i keep debt to a minimum or none at all in my case, my expectations are usually lower. Yet, my experiences usually exceed my expectations. It's a win win 👍🏼 Hope you found a good unit to explore the country in!
As usual, first class honest review, especially for the newbees looking to buy for the first time. Be safe and keep up the great videos.
We baught a 2023 Thor with a Ford ingine it has been a total Lemon. We put it in the RV shop. We had a total of 42 problems. The Ford did really good on the trip to Mississippi from South Carolina. We are hoping that Thor will take the whole RV back. I glad both of you he’d better luck than we did. We are now looking for a better constructed RV. We need a second bedroom and that is not easy to find . Enjoyed your video.
Hi guys - we have the 2019 Tiffin Class A Open Road 36LA gas motorhome. We have had minimal issues with our house and so far nothing with the For F10. We are full time RVers for almost 4 years have around 38,000 miles. Yes we would buy Tiffin again. The customer service agents have been wonderful when we have had any questions, can’t say enough on how helpful they are. We’ve done some upgrades, but not the Liquid Springs. Sounds like we need to take a test drive 😄. Enjoyed your candid review of your experiences. Safe travels 😊❤️🇺🇸
We have a 2020 Newmar Kountry Star 4037 bought in Mar 2020 just before Covid. WE ARE VERY HAPPY!
We just ordered a 2023 Dutch Star -Already owned a Thor and never again-the 2023 Dutch Star has a lot to offer-Solar and lithium package -All electric-Oasis system-Not to mention the construction-We can’t wait-Hoping we get it in October-We went with NIRVC and so far they have been fantastic 🎉🚌🇺🇸
How is the RV done in the past 5 months?
Hey guys great video, we have a 2022 Newmar DS 4369 and love it. Not only does Newmar build a Great RV there Service center at the mother ship is over the top. I also think what needs to be added to your over view of Newmar RV’s is where you buy your RV and if they Stand behind what there sell. We were very luck to be induced to NIRVC and team during our RV search and let me say WOW what a great experience. We could not be happier with both organizations..
I bought my BayStar used (2013 / floor plan 2901) and it suits us perfect. I have had some issues but resolved many of them ourselves. Just recently replaced slide rollers on living room slide, not a difficult job but was happy to do it ourselves. I have had 3 MH, all used and have done well with them. Great video and always great to hear your experiences and trust your suggestions, Thank You!!!
We have a 2020 Newmar BayStar 3626 and we love it. All of my RV service has been at the factory. The BayStar is our 3rd gas Class A and I found out quickly that you never go wrong returning to the manufacturer to repair any items. My only "complaint" is with Ford. Attempting to find Ford dealers willing to work on RV's is getting very difficult in the Northern Virginia/DC area. Many dealers that did work on them in 2020 do not now. The only reoccurring issue is the cab AC. We are taking it in today for the third time to find the problem/leak. I really had to sweet talk the commercial side of the Ford service to look at it. It helped that I also have a Ford truck and get my service there all the time. Wish me luck, 3rd time should be the charm!
We have a 2013 Thor Windsport 33A gas coach. Bought last year that was garaged stored and 6k miles. We launched full time. Great fit and finish, sturdy and the only main issue was our leveler pump seal started leaking couple months ago. Extended warranty covered the new pump and reservoir, with labor was $3200. We are currently in Texas to install our Liquid Springs next week. We are excited to say 🤗. We contacted Wayne on your recommendation as well as other reviews with the system. We did pros and Cons on diesel pushers and newer gas models, financially this was the best option. We love this unit, floor plan and build quality. So the best option for us since we are going to keep it and use it. Thanks again 🤙
You will be very happy with LS. Congrats
Agree with your opinions about Newmar, we draw our opinions based on experience. We have a 2020 4369 Dutch Star and we love it. Since we purchased ours as a model year leftover in December of that year, we have been shocked at the price increases on newer models. We would most likely not be in the market for a newer model at current prices and consider ourselves fortunate to have bought when we did. We plan to keep up with maintenance so that it lasts.
You may wish to read my comment on our 2000 Dutch Star which we've maintained, and with which we're very happy.
If it was me I'd get a super C because of the safety and ease of fixing and towing.
Totally agree with NOT purchasing a NEW RV anytime soon. We own a 2018 and if and when we trade, it will be another 2018 or older. Thanks for the video.
We like our Newmar and it's enduring style, fit and finish, drivability, storage, and quality from top to bottom, front to back. This is our third motorhome, a 2000 38' Dutch Star we bought used in 2003. We like: single-piece roof; two ducted heat pump A/C's; ducted furnace; ISC 8.3 Cummins on a Spartan chassis with airbag suspension all around and independent front suspension; north-south 60x80 bed with full-time access on three sides (no bedroom slide); large shower aft of toilet room, across from lavatory; dinette table and sofa in traffic-side slide; light oak wood which keeps the inside bright; solid-surface counter with cover over range; many handy electric receptacles; leather for sofa, recliner, driver and passenger; dual-pane windows; easy, quiet ride all day; spacious basement storage; 7500 Quiet Diesel. We converted all inside lights to LED, replaced both TV's with LCD, and replaced radio with bluetooth capable. Wish we had: an engine brake for mountains.
Thanks for sharing
Interesting series of events you have gone through with your Baystar. We had upgraded to a new 2019 Tiffin 32SA ( very similar to Baystar) and had that for 2 years. We dumped a lot of money into the suspension upgrades in 2019 because of how poorly the F53 chassis was (shame on Ford for never really improving it). After our last long trip in the fall of 2021, we decided we had had enough and went and traded in for a 2017 Tiffin RED 33AA DP. This is what we should have bought to start with! Better ride, more room, better MPG, better handling, annual maintenance is not that much more than the 32SA,. The only negative I can come up with is that the 33AA has less stage in the bays than the 32SA had, but has plenty of interior storage in the same footprint of, basically, 35 feet as we did not want to go above that. Oh, and I don't miss the screaming engine that never seems to redline, either pulling grades along the continental divide.
Wow. This is a killer for the f53,
Spent $1800 on my aqua go and love it, next to the mattress and 1200 watts solar it’s the best thing we have done to our travel trailer.
I have worked at a Midway RV for 32 years. Most of those years have been in sales.
I can tell you that your experiences with the Ford chassis shocked me. I have found the opposite to be true. That chassis has been absolutely bullet proof. Usually if someone wants their best chance of having minimal problems I would point them toward a Bay Star every time.
For what it’s worth, we have also seen shockingly little change since the purchase by Winnebago. There has been zero influence on the products. It’s human nature when you have problems with a coach to point at the change in ownership as the reason. If there had never been a change in ownership that customer still would have had those same problems and found some other “reason” for them. Usually when a problem occurs there is a balance of blame between Newmar, vendors, dealer, and even the customer in regard to how it is handled. If we all work together for the hood of the customer, it’s a win.
I would also look at the Fortravel line and Newell. There are some amazing coaches getting old enough I could afford them.
Two beautiful coaches
Have a 2022 Bay Star 3609. Ordered it with Truma, egress door, washer/dryer, bunk over cockpit, residential refrigerator. Very pleased with it. Few minor adjustments like Fantastic fan lids raising arm mount breaking being the worst. Newmar sent new lids and dealer replaced. Did upgrade chassis suspension, steering stabilizer, Koni shocks, rear Trac bar, noticeable difference. Overall pleased with 1400 miles and @ 40 days camping.
Great video. I was doing some Class A MH research and the 3 that kept coming up as good brands was the Newmar, Tiffin and Integra. As far as floor plans the Newmar was my 1st choice. As they say there is no perfect RV. I still can't understand y why not take a best floor plan of each area in the rv from several brands and build. I see some great floor plans to only be disappointed by exposed cabinet hinges, no power theater seats, tv not in a straight viewing position, no pantry. After having several RV of the last 24 years it's hard to find a great rv. I hate spending a few thousand extra to replace new things in an rv.
Your commentary is appreciated. The powertrain issues reinforces our belief that Ford quality control is unacceptable and we won't consider buying a unit with Ford product installed.
Every company has issues but when you refuse to repair Ford products at Ford commercial dealers that is a really big problem
We have a 2001 Newmar Kountry Star Diesel Pusher. It's been great. My husband has fixed a few things himself and does the oil filter changes at home ,
we have put 20,000 miles on it. I'd love a Dutch ☆ though .😍
We have a queen bed and only one super slide so we'd consider a king bed a quad slides in a minute. We got a great deal on her in April 2020 and already got our 💰 worth out of her in 2.5 years.
Glad we bought a Newmar Diesel Pusher out of the gate. We lucked out .
I’m in the “researching” phase of RVing. I plan to start full time after New Year 2023 & I’m 99% sold on a diesel. It seems u really can’t go wrong. Happy Travels to u:)
Great video. Glad you are sticking to New Mar but with older ones I would too not with the issues they are having with the new ones. Glad you have Nelli back up and running good. At least I hope she is. Hope you have a great day. See you soon!
I know no one wants a Thor, but we love our Venetian. Owned it a year and it was 3 years old when we got it. No major issues, just normal house moving stuff. No chassis issues at all. Our biggest issue is the TV’s.
Wow, I didn't know Winnebago brought out Newmar.
Well thought out review of your decision if you will purchase another Newmar coach. By the way, your Nellie is still looking mighty lovely. 💖💝❤️😊
And your so right about the rug in slide floors. Annoying! You cannot vacuum those areas and rugs have odors when damp.
Sorry to hear that you had to repair some issues with her. That is pretty expensive. Lucky you saved enough funds for those repairs. I recall some of them.
All the best. Have a blessed and good night. 💖💝❤️🙏
This is why I chose the 2012 Baystar, Preloved, with no problems the first year I have owned it.
as many know, Big Blue is a 2019 Bay Star 3414 with the same paint job as Nelli (damn that paint scheme is sweet!) Our first coach was also a Bay Star 2014. The 2014 we bought new off the lot, Big Blue we ordered as Lyn loved the 3414 floor plan that came out in 2018. Since she HAD to have the 3414 floor plan we had to order new since not any used 2018 to be found, and we are SO glad we didn't find a used one as our paint scheme was not available the first year, and as it turns out was only done 2019. And as everyone knows you ALWAYS have some problems with new production coaches no matter the make, model, or price point, and we have had some, thankfully nothing that has taken us off the road.
And Newmar has been great in taking care of things, even couple little items after out of warranty .
Since I'm an old fart hopefully Big Blue will last as long as I should be driving so we never plan on getting a different one. But personally IF we were going to get a different one it would be something used and most likely another Newmar. But also personally, I would never buy ANY coach 2020-2023 ANY make.
@Jim,
The factory RecreateVehicle industry is run by committees of accountants.
You are their target purchaser.
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This's not a bad thing.
By buying a factory RecreateVehicle, you are helping employ thousands of other-wise home-bound televisionprogramming watchers.
Thank you for keeping them off the streets for a few hours every day!
The head units on all RV’s are “cheap”. We had the Sony one on ours and we just replaced it, with zero regrets. I totally agree on the carpets, just not acceptable on a 2019 or newer coach. Also the liquid springs, should be on every F53 chassis used on an RV. For just safety reasons alone! Great video again.
We have a 2021 Jayco Pinnacle fifth-wheel. A mechanic called it a "Covid Camper." I truly believe all of quality control department was not working when they finished building ours. They didn't even have a hose from the Black Tank Flush TO the Black Tank!!!! So, we had a TON of water damage. Now we will be taking our fifth wheel to the factory for many different things and we will have to fork out a hotel for, at least, THREE WEEKS!!! It's all insane. The same mobile mechanic told me that they work on 2022's, 2021's and 2020's more than any year put together.
Yours is not the only one that has substantial issues with virtually every aspect of the coach. I’m following some friends who are on their second in as many years. Sloppy workmanship and missing parts that could have caused fatalities. I’d avoid this make no matter how much they reduce their prices. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and it will.
Ya, almost all motorhomes have horrid headlights. I belong to a huge Newmar owner's forum and I haven't seen that many complaints or repair issues, except one dealership related. Newmar is less likely to make good on out-of-warranty problems after the 2nd or 3rd year than in the past. The biggest issue I have read are supply chain ones, but I have heard complaints about "Substituted" things like water pumps and such. They used what they could get.
I've read some stuff on RV build quality. Once the pandemic hit, so many people went to RVs...all of them from pop-ups to diesel pushers...that the manufacturers were just cranking them out as fast as they could. Things got sloppy and that was with everybody. So I've heard that many people who do their research out there are looking for pre-pandemic models. For one, the kinks have been worked out and there were always things that needed to be addressed on RVs, even 3+ years ago.
The best rule of thumb though is to have any RV you're interested in purchasing be professionally inspected before you buy it. That includes new models. There will always be something that needs addressed.
@Tom,
We delivered RecreateVehicles manufacturer-to-dealer and dealer-to-shows.
Some might call us 'industry insiders'.
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We would *NEVER* trust a factory RecreateVehicle.
One word:
* staples into particle-board.
Another word:
* Holes! In! The! Roof!.
@@largemarge1603 You'll find that stuff in the lower end RVs but Newmar does not use staples and particle board. That's the stuff you find in Thor and lower end. But if you want to go custom it can be done. Thing is that even for say a Class B..ARV near Cleveland, OH builds them and you're looking at around $400k. You do a Prevost custom job and you're starting at a million. So the nice stuff that's still expensive is made by Newmar and Tiffin.
Owned three Newmar Dutch Star and would NOT have anything else. We had a Tiffen and it was a great couch but the Newmars have more storage and cabinets are much better. Just my two cents worth.
Thank you for the revue of “Nellie” as I truly enjoyed hearing about the good, the bad and the ugly. I have owned four RV’s which have all been trailers or 5th wheels manufactured by Jayco, and Keystone. My favorite Class A RV was the Dutch Star by Newmarket except for the cost. Love the layouts and the finish of the units but the cost was just too great. I also liked the Thor Class C Quantum PD31 which they have discontinued. Now like you have said, I am hearing horror stories about all manufacturers and the issues that people are having. With the newer units as my RV presently is a 2013 Keystone Montana 5th wheel which I have only had minimal issues with and they were covered under the warranty. Other than that, the unit has been great and have put a lot of miles on it. Now I would buy a Class A , Class C or possibly Class B except everything I like is too expensive.
You helped us make up our mind, my wife doesn’t want a class A, I was debating between a Holiday Rambler Vacationer 36F (we need the bunk room) and the Nexus Rebel 35R or Wraith 36W with bunks I think. After the confirmation that Ford sucks in RVs as well, it looks like Nexus will be the direction we go. Whatever model we choose, it will have Liquid Spring. The only difference between us is we will go new, at least for our first one. Thank you for all your tips and ride-a-longs. Stay SAFE!
Talk to some Nexus owners prior to making that decision, then go from there
Keep in mind class A's and 5th's mostly have larger holding tanks and higher weight carrying capacities...
I can't confirm that Ford sucks. Like any production vehicle manufacturer, some units will have issues, but many more won't. From my own experience, I've owned 5 motorhomes on Ford chassis over the last 30 years and only one major issue and zero minor issues in all those years. The one failure was a poor weld on the torque converter which ultimately failed after 6 years. This could have happened with any vehicle and torque converters are often supplied by a Tier 1.
I bought the 2021 3927 new with garage/toy hauler, I have logged 9K miles. Yep I blew it and once the many issues are "fixed" I am selling it. Hey I'll make ya deal on a great low mileage RV!
Just a quick note. I hope you read this. I noticed in this video that your windshield wipers are overlapped incorrectly. If you turn them on, one blade will interfere with the other! BTW, we own a 2018 Newmar Ventana and the quality (both house and chassis) has been very nearly perfect.
We agree about the pandemic production. Wouldn't own one, too many supply chain issues. I saw mismatched appliances, on a W/D stack no less. However, our Tiffin had us gun shy due to the model we purchased 2012, so we upgraded? We think to a 2017 Ventana 3436. Had 25k on it and we are on our first extended trip. So far very happy! Also love the Dutch Star 4018 as well as Allegro Bus, but just couldn't justify the reach. Thanks for the honest review. We will be going to The Tampa Show in January after home for the Holidays. Liquid Spring is a vendor on our list. Not even sure if they do Freightliner Chassis.
WE have a 2018 Bay Star and love it. Purchased used in 2020 and full time in it since 2021. We wouldn't have anything else.
We purchased a 2015 Thor hurricane 34e. It had 5500 miles 5 years ago. Knock on wood we haven't had many issues. We did buy a extended warranty when we bought it which has come in handy for a few big items. Overhead bunk motor and currently the main slide motor.
Anybody reading this.....you need to make sure you do regular maintenance on any rv, and you you can do 80% yourself. That will save you money in the long run.
As to a Thor hurricane I would buy it again.....maybe not new. Seeing i have seen TH-cam videos where new hurricanes have had issues.
If we were to purchase another motor home we would definitely look at something prior to covid.
P.s we just completed a 6,000 mile trip out west and everything went well my coach even handeled climbing the continental divide in Colorado.
@Tom,
"... my coach even handled the [mountains]..."
That is the job of any vehicle of any type.
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You sound surprised at the ability of your 'coach' to accomplish the actions every other vehicle does daily.
This speaks volumes about the factory RecreateVehicle industry.
"None of the cabinets danced across the floor, none of the appliances caught fire... a major 'win' right there!"
Thanks for this again! So appreciate your transparency. I probably would not opt for the Ford chassis. Something with a Freightliner or perhaps the GM Super C. Thanks again!
I always buy a used RV that is a few years old. Bugs are worked out ahead of time. Sure, being that it's a little older, equipment is getting older. Plus, buying used from an owner, you know more of the history on their maintenance and any issues. Plus no depreciation as you drive it off the dealer lot.
Go to the dealer, look around and then shop for used to your options.
We own a Tiffin Open Road gas and wouldn’t recommend it if you’re going to be in hot weather. The insulation is poor and you’re lucky if you can keep it 10 degrees cooler than outside at the high of the day. However, storage is awesome and that’s what keeps us in ours. If we could find a Newmar with the Tiffin’s storage - I would be all over it.
It makes a lot of sense buying a used motorhome. The brands that you are looking at are amongst the best available. I’m in total agreement that as far as new vehicles are concerned you are looking at problems no matter what they say. I believe you are far better off buying a low mileage built prior to the pandemic. They are starting to appear in most dealerships or on consignment as people have to decide what they can afford going forward. Just one suggestion is that no matter where you buy your motorhome have an independent inspection for peace of mind and if something shows up make sure that it’s fully repaired prior to parting with your money. You may want the work inspected by your individual who carried out the initial inspection. For a few hundred dollars you will have peace of mind beyond any guarantees that accompany your purchase.
Safe travels to all 💕💫
First of all, love you guys. I look forward to every video. I am a tiffin guy first, but love Newmar also. In many way, I think it is preference. Honda vs Toyota . Cannot go wrong either way
Appreciate the honest feedback
Izzy, I tell people the same thing about driving the rig after the liquid spring, just like driving a 3500, actually a little smoother then some 3500’s I’ve been in. Love our rig as well. I do want to swap out our sleeper sofa, would love to talk Missy into nice recliners.
We love the recliners
We've been looking at Class Cs lately and would prefer used. We realized we are in a weird timing spot. If we go diesel, we want the newer Mercedes chassis which started in 2021 or if gas, the new Ford V8 and not the V10. But 2021 and newer are the "Covid Coaches" , so not really sure what to do, maybe wait a few more years.
Thank you for the great information. I have just made a deal with a 2018 Newmar Ventana LE. I will be picking it up the middle of September in Arizona and driving it back to Florida. I can't wait.
Happy travels
Sure would be nice to know how much all of these upgrades cost even the ones from a couple years ago? We did look at a used Newmar but when test driving it was all over the road and I mean “scary” all over the road! It also had little strawberry air fresheners in every A/C outlet??? We ended up going with a new Thor A.C.E. F53 chassis with the 7.3 Godzilla engine. So far so good!
We love our 2002 Beaver Patriot Monticello! Looked at new Tiffins and Newmars-went with Beaver-one of the best built coaches! Country Coach was 2nd
I think you just echoed my research results. Don’t buy any new rvs that where produced in the las 2-3 years production problems across the board have been reported by numerous other TH-camrs and other campers I’ve run into while camping. Don’t buy new until they get there act together. Thanks for reinforcing my hard work and I will be referring your channel to others so they can hear it straight from you
U kids ROCK. As of late THANK YOU both for sharing. 🤗 🤗
Thanks for watching
Good video once again... As a very experienced overlander and an engineer in the outdoor recreational industry, I do have some input on your points.
- Headlights update: While this is a very popular trend in the auto / truck / Motorhome arena to replace the halogen bulbs with LED bulbs, this is a serious mistake. Headlight housing units with halogen bulbs are designed specifically for halogen bulbs and NOT LED bulbs. Yes, they are brighter for you, but they are also very dangerous to oncoming vehicles. The LED light pattern does not reflect correctly in halogen housing units. A bit of a pet peeve of mine, but no, not a good recommendation.
- Liquid Springs: Yes, liquid springs are the absolute best suspension option for the F53 chassis. They are phenomenal. However, the aftermarket upgrade for installing front and rear liquid springs is around $24 - $26K. In my opinion, not a cost affective upgrade for a gasser RV. This price point gets you in range of a diesel with an equal suspension. The new F53 V8 chassis was significantly improved over the later. The following 4 upgrades to the new F53 makes it ride very nice and makes a world of difference:
1) KONI shocks all around
2) Front Sumo springs (not rear, the new rear bump stops are suffice without stiffening the rear Koni's )
3) Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer
4) Rear Trac bar (Super Steering)
- COVID Quality Issues: COVID and coming out of COVID caused a world of hurt in ALL manufacturing industries and not just in the RV world. Primarily affected by the high demand, lack of personnel, and supply chain shortages. The 2020 and 2021 year productions were primarily affected and honestly, I would not touch a '20 or '21 RV.. However, there is some good news:
1) The RV manufactures have recognized their problems for the past 2 years and made conscious efforts to correct them. Most have slowed down production and concentrated on making better products.
2) While Ford is not perfect, they have worked out the kinks in the new F53 V8 platform. The new godzilla engine is a beast and a nice improvement over the older v10. The suspension upgrades are also nice.
In summary, I think Newmar is a good option as well as several others. While there is nothing wrong in looking at a used RV, personally, I would not do so. Particularly with drivable motorhomes, the amount of stress put on them from use is very high. This stress ultimately weakens the structure which is why I look for new. But again is my personal viewpoint. Me personally, I evaluated several units while shipping for my latest MH.. I ended up selecting a Fleetwood Bounder for it checked all the boxes. It was manufactured in June '22 and is solid. I spent a great deal of time inspecting and analyzing it from an engineer's standpoint. The quality was solid and I only found 2 very minor issues that ware corrected in a matter of minutes. Did the suspension upgrades immediately and put some decent miles on it already. So far, solid a s a rock and a joy to drive. I would've preferred a DP, but the Mrs did not want to spend the extra $ for one. When I retire, I'll most likely move up to a Mega/Super C for the support infrastructure is much better.
Halogen headlights are great when they light up the road. The factory headlights were terrible.
@@EndlessRVing I hear you and have no doubt. Most halogen headlights suck and are typically only used as cost savers. This is true for many type of vehicles, however replacing with LED bulbs is not the answer. This may be dangerous and cause a blinding affect to oncoming traffic. If an incident occurs, there may also be a liability issue related as well. I would suggest not changing the bulbs and adding additional after market "fog" style lights in the amber color. Diode Dynamics and Baja Designs both make SAE/DOT approved aftermarket fog lights for this exact purpose. The Diode Dynamics in Amber are particularly nice and useful for they offer different brightness levels, can be property aimed, and provide a distinct lighting path line so that oncoming drivers are never blinded (if aimed properly). The ambers are fantastic for they really light up the road in an eye pleasing manner without over bright white light. Note: I have no affiliation with Diode Dynamics or Baja Designs. I have purchased and used Diode Dynamic lights on several vehicles for this exact reason. Note 2: Before adding any forward facing lights, be aware of your state's vehicle lighting laws. Some states have funny rules on adding lights. Note 3: Hoping to be helpful and not argumentative🙂
I have a '21 3408 Baystar and have paint chipping under the slide - small detail but Newmar paint has lost its luster with me. A word of advice - live near your dealer (for future Rv purchasers) The new engine will move the beast well. Issues fixed at Ford were new wires and plugs on 2 cylinders - engine light came one going over the mountains in BC. Going downhill with the new transmission and engine is not too bad. Going uphill is just a question of fuel conservation - but she goes. Being a gasser - toads are limited but we pull a bike so no problemo. I would buy a Newmar again - and like you would search for older RVs with a Cadillac ride and a big motor. Cheers
Also I’m on the fence 1) Motorhome 2) fifth wheeler. Either most likely 3+ years old with extended service with maybe wholesale warranty.
I have had my 2004 Kountry Star DP 3904 for 19 years and just replaced my first house item, Dometic fridge so no complaints...Newmar has definitely changed since 2004 and since Winnebago took over...Their customer service is average at best now...I totally agree on never another new rv.
Carpet was why we went with a Bounder over Bay Star. Totally happy with our 2022 35K Bounder.
Absolutely correct. Since the pandemic hit…all RV manufactures have had major issues. I think it’s going to take another 2 to 3 years for things to level out and some of the quality to come back. Seems like RV manufactures have reduced the output of RVs…I am hoping that is in the direction to help with quality control. Also, since the free pandemic money has gone away…less demand for RVs…slows down dealership orders and people ordering. We have a 2018 Open Road 36UA - we love it. We have had some minor issues, all covered by Tiffin. This is also under Tiffin and not under the new ownership - Thor / Rev Group. We are looking at a DutchStar or Ventana…same boat…will probably be used…and not for another 6ish years - our retirement gift from the PD and Military. The 2020 to 2022 models seem to have a lot of horrific issues - that is sad. I did see with the lower demand and the interest rates rising…the discounts have come back. We got 30% off MSRP on our Tiffin from General RV in August of 2018. We will see. Stay safe, safe travels, best of luck with Nelly!
I own a Tiffin and I looked at Newmar I just didn’t find a floor plan I liked as much as my Tiffin. I had to have the Electric fireplace.
Thanks for the video!!
2005+ Country Coach totally updated and remodeled in the low to mid $300,000 is kind of where I’m heading. One with the large living windows and fewer upper cabinets in the front living space so it looks more like a Newell and have built a custom office area for working from home. 😃👍
Thanks again for sharing
I think you should consider sticking with Nellie for as long as possible. If you take care of her, she should be just fine!
I own a 2016 ventana le 4037 it has the Cummins 360 if you get a Newmarket I recommend you get the 400 or 450 Cummins cause the 360 is a bit slow on hills other than that it is a great vcoach
My dad would always say F O R D……Fix or repair daily 😉
Great info. We just bought a new mattress through RV mattress and used your TH-cam name for reference
Awesome what did ya get?
@@EndlessRVing dreamfoam hybrid
@@toddpressman5634 cool. Enjoy!!
Ya'll sure had more luck getting issues fixed out of warranty than we did. Guess it pays to have a vlog..... might have to start one next time a buy new rv.
Would you guys go with a gas engine again? Thanks for the 3 year review.
Our next coach would be diesel with the intention to put more traveling miles
We didn't bought new or high-quality rv for first timer. I am totally looking to buy an older short disel. Anything 2009 up will be a quality nightmare that I don't want to repeat .
Just found your channel. We’re new and actively looking at purchasing a rv. Would you buy another gas rig or move to a diesel pusher and why?
well best advice ill give ya is
well.....
i been full time class A living since 1971
so first
always buy used as u well know
but stay within the years of 1999 to 2008
they were the best built and the people that really cared about high quality were still alive
in family owned businesses back then.
we bought a 2004 tiffin phaeton DPusher her name is war machine cuz she is a beast!!
anything newer than 2008 ya need that diesel additive wich is crazy to me
and your just askin for trouble
so any class A before 2008 your golden
buy newer at your own risk .
i had a choice between a 2023 an a 2004 i chose the 2004
newmar is great....TIFFIN is beast.
Hey Izzy & MJ hope all is well Newmar did put a Sony system in our Canyon star for 2017.
Can you tell us what model head unit?
All in all Nelly really held up pretty good.
Great Video !!
We have American. Our service at Rev has been outstanding. We will get another American.
I so wish we had listened to our little voice in the (back of your brain), and NOT purchased our Fleetwood Bounder. I wish we had held out a little longer, and got a diesel pusher. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, the Newmar Ventana 4369 (I think that's that floorplan, bath and a half)💖, the difference between the Dutch Star and Ventana, are not worth the price difference to me. I love that they have the escape door in the rear bath!
I don't see us ever purchasing new again! LOL You know what I'm talking about! We previously had an Itasca, which we had purchased new, and traded for the Bounder. (HUGE mistake!)☹
We have a 2014 Winnebago View and love it.
You two are killing me. Just admit you want a used Prevost.
After working for Ford for over 30 years, I find it disheartening to discover they won't service their own product. It makes me want to call Dearborn and ask them what on earth from a sales perspective they are thinking! When you pay what you have to pay for a motorhome, you would THINK the 2 manufacturers who produce it would work in harmony to resolve your issues so as you return again for another purchase down the road.
We did call their corporate office. The answer was they cannot force private dealers to service Ford products even if it’s covered under warranty. It’s terrible
@@EndlessRVing I hope this makes RV Manufactures look at alternatives to Ford. I know there isn't many, but there are some, and perhaps if they all begin to collectively work together to bring their clients a better product, Ford will respond.
@@robhilgert1550
Rob, are you in the dictionary under 'optimist'?
The factory RecreateVehicle industry is run by committees of non-camping accountants.
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As long as enough new -- inexperienced -- buyers are wowed by swoopy decals, cheap disposable junk will continue to be built.... and bought.
@@EndlessRVing I am not a lawyer, but if my recollection serves me correctly, ALL Ford vehicles have a 3 year, or 36,000 ml warranty on their total drive train, electronics, and emission control systems as standard. In fact, emission control by federal law was, and probably still is, 50,000 mls. These warranties are baked into the price of the vehicle, and it is their responsibility to service it. I am in no way doubting your word on what you were told, but I am shocked that they had the absolute nerve to tell you, or any other customer, that you are basically on your own. Heck of a way to run an auto business. They should be ashamed of themselves, and if they don't want to service them, get out of the business of offering a platform for RVs to be built on, or at the very least, give purchasers an aftermarket warranty in the place of theirs who will service the rigs! When I worked there, the cost of any new vehicle had as a cost baked in at the very least 4.3% hike BECAUSE of the expected warranty service on said vehicle. Nice of them to keep that profit, and just pass the cost on down to the consumer that purchases an RV.
@@dangarcia1989 if you have time call local Ford commercial service centers and tell them you need a motorhome serviced. See how many are willing to service your Motorhome.
I wouldn’t buy new, depreciation and the small glitches being ironed out while trying to get warranty work is too much for me.
I am looking at country coach and Newell. Also I am only interested in diesel pusher. Don’t like all the noise upfront while driving a gasser and need the power when out west in 10,000 foot elevation.
Country coach has great support still even though they are almost all over 10 years old and they were built so well to begin with. Newell also have a lot of support and the interiors are next level.
When you bought the Miller's were in control (class act). You probably would be paying the full $1900 these days:) Newmar was a great coach in the day but times have changed:)
The refund was in 2022.
@@EndlessRVing It must be the Miller's "spirit" then...lol. All things considered Newmar is the best out there as far as I am concerned though I am really glad I didn't pull the trigger (was really close to signing with all specials approved including the 26,000 chassis) on the 2022 Bay Star 3401 last July 2021. Things are a changing and for 2023 they started with all that computer/digital electrical crap...lol
I have a 2012 tiffin and love it
Tiffin always wins for sure
Y’all need to look at an older Prevost there really is no other coach don’t be afraid to go back 15 years get one that’s been loved. They are so much better the ride and feel is unbelievable I owned serval production coaches for well 20 years and they just don’t hold up. Going into year three on my Prevost never been on the side of the road. I have spent some money upgrading TV’s new hardwood floor and well just making it mine. I do all my own work inside and outside I don’t think anyone needs a coach that doesn’t work on them. IMO anyway good travels and stay safe.
I'm hanging out with you folks cuz I'm really getting used class a newmar. You guys are pretty sweet couple I must say. I guess my fear is going with a gas engine and all of the typical built to break type of issues I think more common than diesel. What do you folks think?
They all break. All of them. Be prepared for it and you will be ready when it happens.
I’d like to know if you think this vehicle will have a problem pulling an F150? I really enjoy your videos and great information. We’re looking at a 22 33HB Invicta and I would love your opinion on the coach and tow vehicle. We’re not full timers nor ever weekenders. We’ll probably just be doing a few big trips a year and hanging with friends every few weeks or so, but still want to bring a vehicle most of the time. We have a few more years until full retirement and will be upgrading then. Thank you.
We cannot tow anything over 5000lbs, not sure what your f150 weighs
@@EndlessRVing I’m sorry, I thought you were rated for 8k.
We have a 2019 Winnebago Vista 29VE and so far no issues. Next will be a DP. Because we have a lot of crap we want to bring with us.
ya gots to go with the newer Ford motor V8 Godzilla... no comparison w the V10.. makes getting place to place much faster if lots of hills
A quick tune of the v10 works wonders 😀
Looking to buy a Newmar NewAire in spring 2024 when I retire. Definitely looking at 2018 or 2019….
If shopping class A I would buy a 2000-2006 Country Coach, Beaver, Newmar, or Monaco long before I bought any of the junk they have churning out post 2008 GFC.
Absolutely another (3rd) Newmar and absolutely used. Tired of debugging new RVs for someone else to enjoy at my depreciated expense.