670 Ugly Notches and Bad Decisions. Target Range Build. Part 2. Establishing A Line of Sight. 4K
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- First day back in the forest Felling trees. There was good. There was bad. And there was ugly. Today we are back out to establish a clear line of sight. A job for both my STIHL MS 261 and MS 462 chainsaws. Mission accomplished but not without a few hiccups along the way. Hope you will join me back in the forest.
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Thanks Guy, and GP. I’ve pinched the bar many times- never thought to take the power head off. I will now! You probably saved me a future $80.
Great day of learning. Both went home safe.
Thanks, G & G. Cheers! ✌
Learning is always part of the adventure. Thanks for sharing,
Nice video Guy! I grew up and have cut firewood for over fifty years but last summer my wife and I cut a 20’ wide driveway path over a thousand feet onto a new forested property and I very quickly learned the difference between hand selecting standing dead fir with a clear drop zone vs clearing Any Tree on the path, especially 2’ wide or bigger on a serious lean or twisted indeterminate fall line in thick stands. It’s a whole new game. Best advise I have is be patient and think each cut through before you start. If something goes wrong, reassess and have a buddy standing by. I consider your bar a cheap reminder…. 😎
So true- thanks Rob! Cheers!
I greatly appreciate this video. Thank you.
Cheers Mark!
One can learn from your good attitude Gordon. Sorry about the saw though. I think the powerhead will be okay. Take care in the woods.
You continue to teach me in every video THANKS
Oh my GP, I learned a great lesson today watching this . Always listen to Guy. Lol Cheers!!!
Looking forward to seeing the range completed
LOL I can remember my grandfather using the stick and 2 nails with a compass in the center point. When logging it was quick and simple to make sure you did not wonder too far and end up cutting on your neighbours wood lot.
Appreciate you willing to share the mistakes as well as the sucesses.
Cheers!
Try a open face cut. Start with the top angle cut and then the bottom flat cut. It is easier to line up cuts . Open face notch allows for the hinge to work and hold on longer. Great video’s.Safety #1
Live and learn, without stiches when possible. Good vid.
Good job gp we have all been there
We all keep learning GP.
Morning GP. One thing I took from my tree felling learning is that the hinge is the most important part. ( I have no more experience than you) Your one subscriber suggested Macphail woods videos. They are amazing, Quick and to the point. Husqvarna has good training videos but are lengthy.
Stay safe and keep learning and adventuring.
Good morning GP
Yup.. You bent your bar.. But… No one was hurt.. Only your pride.. That’s ok..
I have done the same thing..
stuck my saw.. but never bent my bar.. Had to do a little head scratching to get it out and finish getting the tree down.. I was able to cut a little notch and put a wedge in and that worked..
I am only speaking for me.. I make my notches wider.
I learned that from working for a Tree service back when I was young.. He taught me a lot..
I wish I could remember all the tricks of the trade..
Guy is full of knowledge..
Thanks for sharing your adventures with us..
As always stay safe and always be kind.
Cheers..
We have all been there,,, Good that your out practicing 👍.
You can take solace in that every day will present new good advice to ignore.
Thanks Guy for the heads up!
Thanks for the video Gord. A lesson well learned, and the most important thing is you both got to go home uninjured.
Great videos.
I'd like to see a video on how you deal with the trees that got hung up. Thanks for the video GP.
Morning DD. I"ll film it - have a great day!
Ouch! That one hurt Gord! You may not be perfect but you're a lot better than me!
LOL! Morning Chris!
backleaners get the backcut before the face cut 🤠 pop wedge in there and bang it a few times, then you can go ahead and do the face cut. be aware and have a good time! maan what a fun project 😄
Thanks so much Emil. My biggest challenge is trying to figure out which way it is leaning. LOL. Thanks again - very much appreciated. :))
Gord! Sorry for your loss! At least it was only the bar! Be interesting to see what my new wood cutting season will be like! Yikes!
Cheers Bob!
Good video Gord enjoyed watching hopefully your saw is fine the bar needs a little maintenance for sure we all do things and look back and say I should have did that different I know your pain lol you could have left that part out of the video and we wouldn't have knew the differences but that's not the way you roll and good on you and thanks to you and Guy for the interesting video take care have a great week
Hey good morning and thanks Tom. Yup, the powerhead is a ok. Have a good one!
Gord thanks for the tip on removing the engine. I was in your exact same situation with my 261 in the winter. We were able to use the skidder winch to pull the tree over and the saw was fine but could have ended up like yours. I struggle with lining up notches. What’s helped me recently is to make my angled top cut first. Then I walk in front of the tree, squat down and line the bar up with the ends of that first cut. Then I just tweak the throttle and scribe a line of sorts. Then I go back to original position and make my bottom notch cut by following that scribe line. Seems to help a lot with making my corners meet. Hope that makes sense. Cheers!
You did better than you think. No one got hurt. It looks like no one even came close to getting hurt, which is a bonus. No one cares about the bar. In fact, write the date on it and hang it up in the garage as a trophy!!! I hate hang-ups too, as you now have to undercut it every 6' and take it down bit by bit until it is light enough to be moved by your tractor, or in my case my little Cub Cadet. Work on making thicker (higher, not wider) v-notches, especially that undercut and you'll be better off, so I suggest watching about 30-40 of Bucking Billy's videos as he goes into great depth about it, of course. Can't wait for Part 3.
Hey thanks Andrew. LOL. Guy has already hung it on the workshop ( so he can keep ribbing me I think). :)) Cheers and thanks!
How's she goin'? You did a good job getting the line of sight. It looks real good. Too bad about the bar on your saw but it should be OK. Hello there guy!! Take care!!
Morning Grampie!
You're not alone Gord! I am horrible at reading the lean and hanging up saws! At least you didn't hang one on a house! True story. LOL Cheers
LOL! Cheers Patrick! I'll bet that is a good story. :)
Thanks for sharing GP. Lifes not always perfect, as they say. Appreciate your honesty and sharing. Cheers!
Morning and thanks Doug! Hope you are keeping well!
My advice, as a tree feller for most of my adult life,
Work on your aim. Make it so your cut goes to and ends where you are aiming for. You had several misses by a half inch. Look when you miss, see the results.
This is especially true when working to curb a lean. Try to make the saw hit where you are aiming. Accuracy counts.
Morning and thanks very much JB. I appreciate your advice - anytime. I had quite a few misses. I think I could see that i am not coming full through the undercut, among other things. Lots to work on - thanks again for taking to the time to help. Cheers!
You haven't spent enough time with a saw untill you bend a few bars and can still talk about it.
Keep safe Gord!
Main thing is that at the end of the day everybody goes home with all of their fingers, toes, and extremities.
From here on out, I'm going to refer to you as "Dutchman". LOL. 🙂 Good camera effects though. I'm still learning how to take the best shots, and how to edit them in the best ways.
By the way, I've got two of the same saws that you have. I've got the 261 and the 462. I've also got a 260 Pro (older version of the 261), and the 500i coming in the next few weeks. I've already paid for it, I'm just waiting for it to come in. All good saws.
And when I talk about your felling, and calling you "The Dutchman", I DO mean in all in jest. We've all had days where nothing goes right, and our notches are terrible etc....
LOL! Hey that's great - I am sure you are going to enjoy the 500i. Cheers and thanks Jeff!
Hi Gord , well done just having fun with a little expense. I am pleased the first thing you did was look up…🇦🇺🍺
Part of the getting hung up is due to the density of the woodlot and no amount of experience changes that ;) I wound up clearing one hung up tree by cutting up first the one it was hung in, and then the one holding That tree up. Three came down as one, because of the stand density.
Interesting! As they say, learn from other mistakes, you will never live long enough to make them all! 😀 Cheers!
Thanks for sharing. Don’t ever worry about the saw. It’s the person that matters. Try bore cutting with wedges. It should stop the chainsaw from getting pinched. Not trying to tell you what to do by no means. I think your doing great. Just an idea.
Morning Tom. Your advice is always welcome good sir. Thanks!
Aww great point GP. Hey at least your safe. You can buy a new blade. But we can’t get another GP. Cheers
LOL! Cheers Sam!
IT HAPPENS SH!!!! Hard knocks schooling will stick with you longer. The day started out so good then the saw got heavier and tilted the wrong direction. Watch the positioning how the saw angles changed and see the wrong roll and angle of the saw. You definitely got better at hanging trees today though (lol) but that happens too. You both made it out of the woods safely and that's the most important thing. Great job all in all. Fred.
Morning Fred! Yes you are right. I was getting very tired so we stopped for the day after this end was done. Lots to learn from looking back at the video footage. One great benefit of recording it is to be able to se the errors and learn from them. Thanks for tuning in - have a great week!
Always wondered what would happen if they let you guys loose in the forest. A whole lot of trees suddenly fall and chainsaw sawdust flying everywhere. A Canadian tradition.
LOL!
Sorry for you. Thanks for sharing.
Love this series, always enjoy your vids.
Bummer on the broken saw bar, but indeed a lesson learned. Once I started using the aiming sights on my saw, I was amazed how accurate they can be! If your notching is level and clean, the saw sights will put a tree exactly where you aim it. Cheers!
Hey thanks !
Don't feel too bad about the bent bar. It's happened to all of us at one point or another. I've got a video on my channel (the video quality is not as good as yours) of where I pinched my 261, and cut it out with the 462. I left the power-head attached to the 261, but I was fortunate enough to not damage that saw when dropping the tree to get the 261 out of the pinch.
Man, you guys are clipping right along, GP. I've never had a tree bend my chain bar. I read a lot of good advice in the comments from viewers. See you in Part 3. Don 👍🏽🤠 4/25/23.
Hi GP,
Instead of cutting your notches so close to the ground, pick a point 16-18" higher. It will be less bending and you can always shave off the stump later, and then split the chunk for firewood. It might help with cutting your notches more consistent and straight.
I started out my chainsaw adventures cutting pulpwood so I learned to make the cut as low as possible to get the most wood. I only had that job one summer. Then for 40 years I continued to cut my firewood that way. It didn't occur to me to do it any other way. When I finally got so old that I had to kneel to make the cuts and couldn't quickly spring up to get out of the way, I finally figured it out. Fell the tree at waist height for safety. I nick the tree bark at my lowest cut point, up 18", nick again, then up another 18" for my notxh.Once its down, cut the stump low and flat.
@@GaryGreenway Cutting low to the ground is fine for young people, but us older folks have a challenge of getting back up!
Thanks Tom! A good idea. I was trying to cut lower to see if it worked better. Many days the 'ol back won't let me bend that far so I figured I would try it while the going was good. LOL. Cheers and thanks again!
@@GaryGreenway Cheers and thanks Gary! Some great advice as always. Have a nice week!
Good tip, take the powerhead off, have been lucky and only pinched one, bent the chain but not the bar. Lucky. Stay safe Gord.
I have found that I am actually more accurate making humbolts, I make my strait cut first and then I have found using the top side of the bar works better then the bottom for the angled cut. Not sure why but maybe worth a try.
I know you're wearing gloves however, I have a very distinct scar ( slippery surface while moving)on my right hand from applying the chain brake as you were. Always use the wrist that is holding the top handle to apply the chain brake. I've found that it is more control able releasing the brake with the same hand that is not the throttle hand. Glad you knocked the rust off felling. Not sure because I wasn't there doing it but, looked like the hinges you left were a bit fat, maybe stay in that back cut 30 seconds longer or 1/3 of the bar thickness top to bottom, let the top of the tree lean into the direction of felling a little bit more, if it's safe to do so. A little less hinge may have increased the fall speed to get the trees past hanging up... one cracked, it may barber-chair & kickback, may wrap the log with a chain or strap a few feet up from the hinge to keep it from spreading up the tree to get it on the ground. Nice work
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Always interesting and always learning something from you GP. Thanks!
O man 🤦♂️🏆🏆ty Gordon
Hey GP, looks like you need more training videos from buckin billy ray! But at least your trying to get the job done. Good luck and stay safe. Those learners are going to be tough to get down. Thanks much for sharing!
When I have a tree that is leaning the wrong way or that I want to drop percisely with wedges, I measure and draw my cut lines on the tree with chalk before I start cutting. This saves you from getting a bad notch when you are working in a bad position and can't see around to the other side. When you have a perfect notch , you can overcome a lot of lean with a few wedges.
Thanks Malcolm. That sounds like a good idea. Cheers sir!
Take your time with the notch and that'll also help your aim some I'd think, don't be afraid to stop mid cut and have a glance to the far side to see how your cuts are lining up, and don't be afraid to clean up your notch either, if your half way through a cut and you can tell its not going to line up, just adjust your saw and recut, You'll get it down in no time at this rate!!
Thanks very kindly. Some great advice. Thanks again - Cheers!
Your Humboldt notch was way too small, it needs a bigger mouth. Do your top cut 10" higher off the ground and you need an opening angle of 45 degrees minimum.
It’s hard not to slow down at times. Everything is replaceable but you and your friends. Being productive sometimes has its added costs. You’ll be back at it in no time
Well GP that was interesting. Nice to see you try new things. You are in the perfect practice area to test and enhance your skills, surrounded by nothing but bush. I can see that you're a bit tense, just take your time and think things through as you go. It's like playing all the steps in your head before you act. Before long you'll become more comfortable and skilled. Was that a Stihl ES Light guide bar on your 462 that got bent?Happy sawing GP!
Notches and aiming are something I’ve been working on….I just don’t do enough of it….😮
Use it or lose it absolutely applies to these skills!
Boy are you having a bad day you’re not dropping those trees too good.
LOL! Yup, should have gone back to bed and tried again. Cheers Ron!
Well if it’s for entertainment purposes, Gordy, you succeeded! Lol
When I cut my notch, I always start with the bottom cut first, then cut down to it. Have to drop a dead tall thin cottonwood today, before it begins to fall apart & drop branches. Had my chain come loose yesterday & after noticing chain sag, I stopped & went back to the shop to re-adjust the bar. Seems it stayed put for the rest of that job cutting up a half dead pine I pushed over with the Kubota 2610 loader. Root ball, I may dig it back out of the brush pile where I dumped it with the branches & burn it, by making it into a Swedish torch?
Well done gp
Unless you are milling, I would cut 12 to 15 inches higher so you don’t have to bend over and will also improve your cuts
Also, what are you doing a humble or conventional do the angle cut first as it’s much easier to hit the intersection with the level cut then the other way around
Good morning and thanks very much- I will give it a try. Cheers!
Just a suggestion, but what if you did your straight cut and the take your beveled cut down into instead of from ground up into ? looks on camera that your fighting against yourself.
Morning David. Yes it kind of felt awkward too. I'll keep at it though. Have a good week!
Good day! Where could I pick up the Canadian chainsaw helmet. Can’t seem to find it
Learning at the school of hard knocks sometimes teaches the best! A couple of AW CRAP moments will teach you fast! Now, make new mistakes not the same ones over again 😁
:)) Cheers Randy!
Are you liking your 462?
I honestly didn't think Canadians could shoot guns on their own property. I watched a youtuber years ago from Canada say you had to take your guns to a licensed gun range. I'm glad to see your able to do this on your own property.
All depends on what province you live in and local bylaws.
@@sherpa972 thanks for the reply and clarification. Have a great day.
Good morning GP, It looks that you have problem making your noch cut. 😂 If your cut is not level horizontaly, the three falling direction will be affected. To help you, you could install buble level on your chainsaw handle.
I might send Guy a red flag on a stick to hold high in the air with his right hand when play needs to be stopped 😊
And
A wiffle bat for his left hand when an infraction
causes damage or health issues.
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I have a.d.d. and dyslexia,
I've made more mistakes than hairs on my head..
Very good vid today ,the extra time and effort you take to share is appreciated.
And thanks to Guy for trying😊
Nice one again GP! Take it off mate!, that’s standard procedure or maybe you just left it on so you can ask Carol for a new saw!, Have a good day
LOL! but I like this saw. :)) Cheers and thanks 690!
At least you didn't break the engine 😎👍
Sorry about your saw Gord.
Morning SD! Powerhead is ok. Thanks!
How you learn GP sucks about your bar. Good work out though
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Bummer on the bar. Been there before and worst haha
Morning Kev. The first thing I thought of was that picture you sent me last month. LOL! We should start a club. Cheers!
Bonjour Gord ! i have a Can am Outlander 650 XT Max (It's yellow too, but2011) and want to save some $$ by doing my differential oil changes... can't seem to see a good one on YT ?!? If you ever do yours, please show us how you do it ? Your accurate and calme way of showing thing is greatly appreciated !!!
Thanks very much. I certainly will if I do. Have a nice week!
A Can Am and saving $$ in the same breath 😂😂😂
@@ibMoose2u Well it's a 2011 and never had any issues, it even has the original battery, start great at -25 C every year ! Like Gord says all the time, good maintenance is everything !
@@frenchyqbec I was totally joking! Can Ams are amazing. They’re also the most expensive atv on the market :^) I was going to Polaris to buy an 850 in 2018 for around $13k, stopped at the Kawasaki dealership for grins and giggles and bought a new 2017 750 Brute Force for $6,500. Just couldn’t justify doubling the price. My Kawasaki 650 Prairie is a 2006 and still running extremely strong. It gets sub zero here in NW Montana regularly and I’ve never had an issue with either. I ride my 750 incessantly here, run solo in the mountains atv camping and belong to an atv riding group. Zero issues with it. If I had a ton of spare $, I’d consider the Can Am Outlander X XC, starting at around $15,500. I’d rather sink that into gear for my Kubota lol.
@@ibMoose2u Yes you are absolutly right as for the acquisition... All my friend at the pointing dog club have Honda (they say for durability) or Polaris (for price...) With the trouble I'm having with doing the maintenance my self, I will be looking around at different option for sure next time... I was just saying that for durability Can am is I thing as good as anything else out there...
Be careful about what you are doing. I hope that you will be able to get the widow makers down safely
You bet William. Cheers!
@@GPOutdoors Great to hear.
We may have to cut your coffee consumption in atleast half on felling days! Just take your time, Gord!🙄
Now you know why you take off the powerhead
I've only cut down 20/25 trees or so.....I don't find it to be that difficult
Your face cut notch angle is way too tight. It's closing during the fall and tensioning your hinge holding wood to the point of separation and once that happens the fall is uncontrolled. You need to open that face up more. Uncontrolled felling is pretty dangerous.
Cuting trees ????? Hum .,,,,,,,,😢😢
GP just put up shooting targets, over the years guys I took in 709 for moose hunting from Ontario are RAMBO shooter there will shoot the trees down in a safe ways towards the the target. GP why you wedges your trees so far off the ground ? Wedge you are cutting out is for soft wood logging! Check It out boys my GOD THINK SAFETY and always put SAFETY FIRST in the forest . GP I’m not pick on you , cutting the trees the wrong ways will get hurt someday , please keep the chainsaw at ground level . Kick back are faster them your eyes can pick it up 😮 carry on boys 😊. Chainsaw are not toys , will put marks over your eye that soap won’t wash off GP . 😮 PLEASE BE CAREFUL, THINK before you CUT .
Looks like you are still dropping the tip of your 462 when you notch. What about notching at waste level? It might be more accurate.
Cutting the hinge and back cut from the same side would help matching the angles.
Athletic note. It looks like you have a flat back when bent over sawing. An arch in your back and firing the glutes will help with strength, stability, and end of day back pain.
Sorry about the blade. But at least it wasn't you or Guy.
GP...your aim is terrible!!!.....Start using the aim mark that is on the Saw and take your Time with the cut!!!