As I was reading The Ecstatic Soul in a coffee shop today, I was determined to understand my difficulties of socializing with others. Reading up on evasive and dismissive Ni and now watching this video, I realize now I may be solipsistic with repressed Fe. At the coffee shop, I had many moments to engage in conversation, almost as if provided by the universe. I had the chance to give my seat to another who needed it. The place was packed, and I was overwhelmed by all the sensory information. I failed to make any meaningful interactions. I guess it's a work in progress. I'll have to overcome this fear that I won't be understood. I still have a long way to go till I'm liberated into the spiritualized INFJ. I suppose failure is key to success. I'm hopeful to one day escape this loneliness. I appreciate your work in what seems to be destiny for most of us other INFJs.
I love this new addition of subtyping Fe into projective and introjective use. I still shudder sometimes when I noticed an ENFJ use their projective Fe to enforce their understanding of the groups rules. Certainly, they mean well, but it comes off as quite heavy handed to me, sometimes. I clearly feel more comfortable with introjective Fe for the most part. But when I know a group well, I start to change my behavior in the hopes of nurturing some insights. Maybe I try to showcase the use of empathy to create trust with someone, and a more overlooked and scared part within them comes forward - they may start to share something vulnerable. Then they may go on to discover what experience in their past might have lead to their current struggles due to that vulnerability. Others hopefully learn by that example that showing up vulnerable is scary, but also nurturing, and can be safely used. Others may also pick up that they can choose to dig into their vulnerabilities for themselves in their own time. That would be my version of projective Fe use. And as you said, that type of Fe use works quite well with storytelling, writing, filmmaking, and so on. I am quite happy with that new nuance to the Fe use. It was a pleasure for me to listen and learn about a new friendly concept.
Spot on. It's something I've realized when I was on shrooms haha, I was kind of observing my friend who I've figured through time that he was an ESFJ (and later did the test and got the same result), and recognized how his way of "pushing the norms" isn't always verifiable or thought through (such as "What the fuck are you wearing?", "Look at what he's doing" and similar), which were some conditions I thought were necessary to correctly "asses the norm". Almost as if it doesn't matter what the norm/judgement is about, everyone has the power to start their own norm at any point in time. Of course, more power to it if the norm considers in some sense security/safety/well-being of the people it is placed upon, but more often it's about assessing the courage to say "I am the norm here", and believing that ones own faith in the norm will overflow the others. Thank you for the video! Put a lot of it into words
Your concepts you are presenting remind me a little of Lenore Thomson’s model, where she mentions that Introverts often use their Auxiliary Function defensively, not using it in a manner that is truly extraverted in orientation. So I suppose a potentially more defensive manner might match introjective use?
I’m definitely projective with my Fe, but knowing that this will often be rejected, this makes me frustrated or melancholy/angry. The world will never be INFJ friendly. That’s just how things are. If we are accepted/loved it can only ever be via a few individuals or in a general way due to fame (Roger Waters is a good example). If Roger had not been successful with PF he would probably be quite miserable imo.
It would probably depend on the situation and the role the INFJ is fulfilling in that particular situation. Where the INFJ is in a leading role (whether they want to be is another question 😂), it's probably going to be projective, and vice versa in a situation where they don't have enough experience/"seniority".
I think I explained it in a video 2 months ago, for the 8 functions 😢 For me it's the same that : from Fe to Fi & from Fi to Fe. Same concept, explained in a different way ^^ Edit : maybe our Ni found the same concept at the same period.
I see high Te types really fall into the groups of the ones who want to lead and the ones who want to be the perfect student and follow perfectly, more in a Te way than an " emotional" Fe way of course, kind of like a student and professor.
As I was reading The Ecstatic Soul in a coffee shop today, I was determined to understand my difficulties of socializing with others. Reading up on evasive and dismissive Ni and now watching this video, I realize now I may be solipsistic with repressed Fe.
At the coffee shop, I had many moments to engage in conversation, almost as if provided by the universe. I had the chance to give my seat to another who needed it. The place was packed, and I was overwhelmed by all the sensory information. I failed to make any meaningful interactions. I guess it's a work in progress. I'll have to overcome this fear that I won't be understood.
I still have a long way to go till I'm liberated into the spiritualized INFJ. I suppose failure is key to success. I'm hopeful to one day escape this loneliness. I appreciate your work in what seems to be destiny for most of us other INFJs.
I love this new addition of subtyping Fe into projective and introjective use. I still shudder sometimes when I noticed an ENFJ use their projective Fe to enforce their understanding of the groups rules. Certainly, they mean well, but it comes off as quite heavy handed to me, sometimes. I clearly feel more comfortable with introjective Fe for the most part. But when I know a group well, I start to change my behavior in the hopes of nurturing some insights. Maybe I try to showcase the use of empathy to create trust with someone, and a more overlooked and scared part within them comes forward - they may start to share something vulnerable. Then they may go on to discover what experience in their past might have lead to their current struggles due to that vulnerability. Others hopefully learn by that example that showing up vulnerable is scary, but also nurturing, and can be safely used. Others may also pick up that they can choose to dig into their vulnerabilities for themselves in their own time. That would be my version of projective Fe use. And as you said, that type of Fe use works quite well with storytelling, writing, filmmaking, and so on. I am quite happy with that new nuance to the Fe use. It was a pleasure for me to listen and learn about a new friendly concept.
Spot on. It's something I've realized when I was on shrooms haha, I was kind of observing my friend who I've figured through time that he was an ESFJ (and later did the test and got the same result), and recognized how his way of "pushing the norms" isn't always verifiable or thought through (such as "What the fuck are you wearing?", "Look at what he's doing" and similar), which were some conditions I thought were necessary to correctly "asses the norm". Almost as if it doesn't matter what the norm/judgement is about, everyone has the power to start their own norm at any point in time. Of course, more power to it if the norm considers in some sense security/safety/well-being of the people it is placed upon, but more often it's about assessing the courage to say "I am the norm here", and believing that ones own faith in the norm will overflow the others.
Thank you for the video! Put a lot of it into words
Your concepts you are presenting remind me a little of Lenore Thomson’s model, where she mentions that Introverts often use their Auxiliary Function defensively, not using it in a manner that is truly extraverted in orientation. So I suppose a potentially more defensive manner might match introjective use?
I’m definitely projective with my Fe, but knowing that this will often be rejected, this makes me frustrated or melancholy/angry. The world will never be INFJ friendly. That’s just how things are. If we are accepted/loved it can only ever be via a few individuals or in a general way due to fame (Roger Waters is a good example). If Roger had not been successful with PF he would probably be quite miserable imo.
Astute theory Ren, however, I’m curious as to the fluidity of this dynamic, can one change from a projective to introspective and vice versa?
It would probably depend on the situation and the role the INFJ is fulfilling in that particular situation. Where the INFJ is in a leading role (whether they want to be is another question 😂), it's probably going to be projective, and vice versa in a situation where they don't have enough experience/"seniority".
I think I explained it in a video 2 months ago, for the 8 functions 😢
For me it's the same that : from Fe to Fi & from Fi to Fe. Same concept, explained in a different way ^^
Edit : maybe our Ni found the same concept at the same period.
Is this projective/introjective dichotomy applicable to Te as well?
Totally.
I see high Te types really fall into the groups of the ones who want to lead and the ones who want to be the perfect student and follow perfectly, more in a Te way than an " emotional" Fe way of course, kind of like a student and professor.