"The stones" of Stonehenge did not originate in Dyfed. SOME of them did. The smaller bluestones were transported from the Prescelli mountains. However, the huge "hanging" sarsens which everyone associates with the monument, come from up the road in Wiltshire.
Ah thank you for the correction, it seems I misread my source! It seems like many people call the smaller stones “stones” and the larger ones “sarsens”, my source only mentioned the Pembrokeshire “stones” and I read that as ALL of the stones originating in Pembrokeshire, thank you again for pointing that out
@@Shin_Lona According to Sumerian accounts Thoth used his vimana to build and then later correct Stonehenge, then added the outside circle after that... greets from my Stuart side :)
I learned about this kingdom in my Irish archaeology class at UCC. The first records of the Irish language were found in wales if I remember correctly.
@@CambrianChronicles You did man! We also have evidence of the Irish in wales going back to Ireland for various occasions. My lecturer compared the déise to Irish Americans and the diaspora. He said they likely maintained some kind of “Irish” identity. But were also their own thing. I have to double check my notes first to make sure. Which as an American Irish person, I agree with that assessment because I feel similar about my own “Irishness”.
Today we are told the Llyn Peninsular was an Irish kingdom of the Laighean, but when I was young I read Leinster was a welsh colony in Ireland. Everything is politics. Probability was all coastal kingdoms had colonies on shores of (today) opposing countries, as the sea united as much as divided.
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Good effort on the pronunciations , I'm not gonna deduct any points for mispronouncing anything, I'd be hard pressed to find an Irish person who can properly pronounce old Irish names. And as an Irish person living in Wales this was really interesting, thank you!
So glad I came across this channel, great videos and very well put across. As a Scot, always nice to see more media on my Celtic brothers and sisters too.
I think it's very interesting that there were so many small and separate kingdoms so long ago. The Welsh language is quite complex, especially when you see the words spelled out
I Agree, from Greenock Scotland, live In Oregon USA. It's great to see all the comments from and enjoy anything on the history . We're all quite the mash up there
An interesting fact about Hywel Dda: He is the only Welsh king before the Norman Conquest for whom a coin type is known. Although it is probably an English coinage with a mintmaster from Chester, the unique specimen names Hywel as king.
I also believe that Hywel Dda declared that an illegitimate son had to be provided for by his father after his death. A woman could divorce her husband in the 10th Century! If a man got into debt and had his goods seized, the only possession he was allowed to keep was his harp so he could earn his living
Greetings from Waterford, ancestral home of the Deise. Congratulations on an excellent video outlining that part of your and our shared history. Unfortunately many Irish people are not aware of that part of their history. Congratulations again, and thank you so much for such an excellent presentation.
I'm intrigued, I've only visited Pembrokeshire once, which was back in the 90's. Beautiful part of the country, (I was in the Tenby/Castlemartin area) and the friendliest people I've ever met in the UK. I wasn't aware of the Irish connection at the time, perhaps that shared heritage was, in part at least, the reason for such a warm welcome. Looking forward to catching up on your other work, I also love your style of narration. Thank you.
Very very nice video! Here in Ireland we still call Co. Waterford the Déise, the dialect of Irish spoken is called "Gaeilinn na nDéise", or "the Irish of the Déise". The county I'm from (Co. Laois) originally spoke a very similar dialect to what is spoken in Irish-speaking areas in the Déise (such as An Rinn).
Most of the septs of Laois were originally cruthin or crithini people different to the Gaels especially the Lawlors and O'Moores they came from Ulster as mercenaries to expell and invasion form the Eonacght from the south . A passage in the book of Lecan gives reference to them being crithini or Pictish. From the line of ir .
THIS! This is the content I’ve been looking for, for years! Welsh history is so fascinating. Thank you for all the research and detail you’ve included in this video. I hope this channel blows up.
These (limited) Welsh videos are hurting my head - the names, cities and kingdoms seem impossible to pronounce and difficult to spell, AND it’s ALL brand new to me. Quite familiar with Brit history, and some Scot/Irish history, but NOT Welsh history at all. VERY glad to see these videos, though they’re rather fast-paced (I’M OLD). Anyway, thank you for posting them and for teaching me totally new stuff!
Ah, the mighty touch of The Poets and The Poems are never outdated, meant to survive. Thanks dear sir for going on the hunt, and a deep dusty earthy one it is. A smashing production. Peace and Vitality, Geraldine
@@CambrianChronicles Ifor one would like to know how Hughes ( aka Lugh...) ..became Yozza ,Hughes, I attended Saint Hugh's school in Birkhenhead....a bit tough ...for anyone of any background...of course The Boys from the Blackstuff....depicting us Irish / Welsh /English/Scottish/ ...indeed...the hybrid Scouse as something to be depicted negatively..?..Despite everything it appears John Lennon apart from being Irish is also descended from Owain Glendower...stunning
Thank you for this wonderful teaching. My great grandfather was born in Glamorganshire early 1700’s. He came to 🇨🇦 and married a full native ( orphaned) woman. My aunt flew from Winnipeg, MB to Wales to record our history back to 1672. In our province Manitoba (Manitobah) offered a Registration status called Métis. I always felt Irish. My family dined on Irish/Scottish/English food. I received my status in 2004. 🇨🇦 had given all Métis status off the Reserve (Sagkneeg) for me. When our history was printed out I noticed that St. Peter’s church near Selkirk had my past relatives buried there. It was why (finally) that every time my friend wanted to visit there and walk around the graveyard I was emotionally affected. After I received my status number and Script; I went back to read the half buried plates where my ancestors lay. 🌹🇨🇦
Funny too that my parents belonged to a banking system called Cambrian. My dad’s mum was a WW1 war bride. She was from London, England. She met my grandfather (or Pepere)🇨🇦 working at Windsor Castle as a cook. Her sister was the ?Head Mistress’ of hiring, training, and firing. My deep connections to Wales, England & France are deep. We carried the traditions forward. I will be watching all your lectures here and subscribed. I wish you well.
@@CambrianChronicles thank You. I’ve been told to write a book. If you only knew the half of it; from ‘locals’ leaving home-brew hidden by smugglers near the first General Store opened by a Welsh/First Nation man, ( my great-grandfather )in a ‘tourist town’ with a fly-in fishing airport in the 1920’s. Frontier life. 🙂🇨🇦 Good Day Sir.
Absolutely amazing. I am Welsh and I love the level of detail you went into. You pronounced Gwyr a little bit not quite right. ŵ is pronounced differently to just standard w. It sounds more like an 'oooh' so Gŵyr sounds like g oooh eee rrr. ŵy, meaning egg, is also pronounced oooh yeee: ooohyeee. But the rest of your welsh pronunciation was really good, you can get your tongue around the lls really well
Thank you! My Welsh teacher spent ages trying to get me to pronounce LL and roll my Rs correctly (although I still can’t do the last one), thank you for the correction, I haven’t had a lot of practice with ŵ but hopefully I can manage it a bit better next time
@@CambrianChronicles wow... well I didn't want to assume you're English, but if you are, then absolutely and especially da iawn am dysgu Cymraeg! I have subscribed and am looking forward to more. It must have taken you a very long time to research but the end product is really impressive.
@@stephrichards4611 Ah no I am Welsh I was just terrible at it in primary school so I needed a lot of help in high school haha, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos
Dw i newydd ddod o hyd at eich sianel chi ac dw i’n ei charu hi. Mor addysgiadol âg ymchwil ardderchog. Allech chi wneud pennod am deyrnas Went rhywbryd? Diolch o’r galon a parhewch beth rydych chi’n gwneud! I have recently found your channel and I love it. So informative and well researched. Could you do an episode on the Kingdom of Gwent one day? Many thanks. Continue what you are doing!
Diolch! I will definitely cover the kingdom of Gwent one day, it's succession and history with Morgannwg is quite complicated and I still don't have my head wrapped around it
Really enjoying these. Would love to see on on senghenydd and their interactions with the de clare family. Once a kingdom from. Merthyr to cardiff and now a tiny village
Excellent teachings. As an old Cornishman, we were taught our Ancient through to our Celtic history at second school, but no more. In those days we were still very insular in the far SW, in fact I still no very little Sowsnek history after the arrival of the Conqueror. In my village, Mylor, my school mates and I flocked to our village grocers in 1969 after our grocer Esketh Williams retired. English people from Birminham had bought it. Their accent was alien to us. Now, Mylor is a place infected with: "Those Sowson folk, with an addiction to crossing the Tamar and moving in". Bit like The Great Heathen Army, that left their axes at home.
My granny is Irish her last name is of a clan of the tribe Deisi, she once told me my her father couldn't read but was a farm vet and could tell if a cow was ill by looking at it. I'll have to read the poem you mentioned now lol.
@@Tailtiu3 Colonial bigotry is why he couldn't read, schooling for catholics was restricted and what schools they had weren't good, especially because he spoke Irish and lived in the countryside.
Amazing video. The Irish connection to a kingdom in Wales is fascinating. Perhaps that's why I, an Irish-American, was so drawn to St Davids when I first visited the UK more than 2 decades ago. Almost certainly not, lol. But there's something uncanny about the place, something a tad mystical, despite the prosaic charm to Brits as a great hiking destination for summer vacation.
This absolutely fascinating! It is very intense, full of info and interpretation of the sources but from what I know hard to argue with! And I like a good argument.
Thank you for this video. I really like your excellent editing, slow pacing and speech, and music, which gives the videos a really contemplative style. It makes it perfect for me to watch your videos before bed, as unusually for educational or informative content, your videos allow me to learn while also not being overstimulated; having the opportunity to sit down in bed, discover new facts and elements of histories I'd never know otherwise, and reflect on the rich history of peoples who are now invisible or gone, but who in their own time lived, laughed, and loved just as we do now. Thank you again from a Coptic Christian fan of your work.
I live literally on the Preseli Hills, with a proper photography Drone, I'd be more than willing to get footage of anything you need in the area, if need be.
This is really interesting stuff, the British Isles are packed full of fascinating stories and history, thank you for shining a light on a period that doesn't often get much attention.
As an Irish man, I can with absolute assurance, assure you that Ireland is not part of the British Isles - This is an antiquated British colonial term and ceased to apply to Ireland once the Act of Union ended in 1922 with the then creation of the Irish Free State ( Republic of, in 1949) The term is not used at an official State level by either the Irish or UK governments or at E.U. level due to the offensive nature of the term for for Irish Citizens. As it implies that Ireland is British. Ireland was never British. The view is held that this term British Isles is controversial in Ireland, where there are objections to its usage due to the association of the word British with Ireland. The Government of Ireland does not recognize or use the term and its embassy in London discourages its use. As a result, Britain and Ireland is used as an alternative description, and Atlantic Archipelago has had limited use among academics. Also in use is the acronym IONA which stands for the Islands of the North Atlantic. The term Celtic Isles was also considered, however because England is not Celtic but rather, Saxon, this term has not been used. They are also sometimes referred to as these islands. Or The British Isles and Ireland. You will not here mention of the term in Irish schools during geography or history lessons. You will never here a person use the term, The term however, is used on the UK among a very post-colonial insensitive ignorant populace, whom don't even see Ireland as a foreign country. The truth being, Canada, New Zealand, Australia are more British than Ireland could ever be, seeing as they are all members of the British Commonwealth with a British Monarch as the Head of their States. The British need to realize that their Empire is long over. Unfortunately their colonialist language still exists. Ireland is not a part of the Isles (no matter what you British or Anglo Irish seem to think) Mumbai is the capital of India, not Bombay, Myanmar is the name of the country in Asia, Burma. When you are wrong, it doesn't matter how many times you say it or how strongly you believe it - Your still wrong, and if corrected, you still revert to your original understanding, well then this is pure ignorance and false belief. British Isles has no official status.
Thank you for this. Very interesting. I do reckon the true original relationship between the languages of the “Q-Celtic” and “P-Celtic” peoples is yet to be fully realised. And on going back into the Bronze Age, it is mostly now accepted that the original “Proto-Celtic language” was “Q-Celtic” in form. And I reckon the entire coast of Western Britain from the Western Scottish Highlands to North West England to Wales to Cornwall and Devon and originally “Q-Celtic” in the Bronze and Iron Ages. And evidence can be found in the Irish and Welsh languages. Really Irish is a conservative “pure Q-Celtic” form but Welsh actually a hybrid “P-Celtic” and “Q-Celtic” language. This can be seen in the very name for Wales in Welsh, “Cymru”, which etymology is “Q-Celtic”, having a “C”. But with the older original Irish language form, strictly never having any words with “P”. Evidence can also be found in places names. In Devon, the River Exe, which gives its name to Exeter and Exmouth really stands out. Where the “River Exe” means “Fish River”. With there being no “P”at the beginning for fish like in Welsh and Cornish. And note the Irish for Fish which is “Iasc”. The River Exe is etymologically “Q-Celtic”. And I reckon the older original “Celtic” language of Western Britain from North East Scotland all the way to Kent was a much “purer P-Celtic” form, including the “Pictish” language of North East Scotland. I have also come to thinking that the arrival of the Romans brought migrations from Eastern Britain, into whats now Wales, Devon and Cornwall, which had a great “P-Celticisation” of the languages there. This for me, explains an ancient connection on both sides of the Irish Sea which re-kindled after the Romans left. And why also, so many Ogham Stones are found in Wales, Cornwall and Devon which have a “Q-Celtic” writing form.
There has always been historic "battle" between the "Q" & "P" Celtic languages.The Dal Riata kings of ancient Ireland brought their Gaelic language to Scotland and destroyed the previous Brythonic language(s) spoken there. The Brythonic language(s) spoken in Wales survived the onslaught of the Gaelic language brought across by the Irish immigrants. My theory is where people are IMMIGRANTS they tend to lose their languages and adopt the languages of their new home whereas CONQUERORS tend to impose their languages on the conquered people.
Also, DNA study of ancient Britons indicates that Britain was primarily populated by two major waves of Indo-European migration from the continent during the Bronze Age with minimal change until the Anglo-Saxon migrations. If consider Goidelic as the language of the first wave and Brythonic as the language of the second that would explain the lack of a known dialect continuum between Welsh and Gaelic. That pattern of migration also parallels the Romanization and Anglicization of Britain during the historical era: starts in the southeast then moves north and west. It also could explain why there is confusion as to what languages the Picts spoke if we consider Pictland being in a transition phase between being Goedelic and Brythonic during the Roman era.
Cymru starts with a C thanks to William Salesbury. And as for the exe, the proto celtic Uisk reflects a common root word rather than 'Q type'. You find uisk becoming Wysg in Welsh. You aslo find the 'clyst' right by the Exe which is likely derived from either Uisk or Wysg. I think the premise of 'pure' is incredibly problematic. It also ignores the gaelic raiding and colonisation attempts of the west coast - the q type being introduced to Britain
I have thoroughly enjoyed this video! The proximity to Ireland was borne out during our recent walking holiday to St Davids and we kept picking up Irish radio more than local. You mentioned a video about Deheubarth, where can I find it please?
Ah that's really interesting, definitely proves how close they are then! The video on Deheubarth hasn't been made yet as these kingdom videos take a very long time, it'll be made eventually but I've been focusing on other topics for the time being
In his "War Song of Dinas Vawr" the author Thomas Love Peacock relates the demise of Ednyfed, King of Dyfed following a cattle raid. It's a rollicking sort of poem and probably has no claims to any degree of authenticity. However, in its description of a violent and bloody incursion it fits well with the theme running through this excellent video. Poor old Ednyfed had his head carried in front of the departing raiders.
@@Tailtiu3 Anglo-Saxons interbred with native Britonic Celts. English traditiona of the green man, Celtic Knots, and much more can be traced back to Germanic and Celtic intermixed cultures. Kent England being named after the Celtic name of the region and numerous English towns and rivers still bearing Celtic names.
@@LesNouvelle-Angleterreur the Greeks called the irish keátoi& different tribes , the cruthin as WE call ourselves because I know my history can be traced to Uladh . Like all good English your try to claim & steal what doesn't belong to you, fine germanic saxons we've put up with you as neighbours for years, & so has our European friends& family
Fantastic video, I don't envy you reading the various epistolae and chronicles or secondary sources mentioning the word "Déisi" (which was an extremely common noun used to describe various peoples, where I live the Déisi Teamair were tributaries of the other tuaths) lol, there's so many of them.
Just one little thing, the Irish version of Voteporigis is rendered in Ogham as Fotecorigas - the F would have been the closest thing to a V in Ogham. Fascinating video.
Eochaid (a name derived from the early Irish word 'Each' a horse or steed) is pronounced Eochy in modern lrish where it survives as the surnames (among others) MacEochaidh or Ó hEochaidh. (anglicised as Keogh, Kehoe, or Haughey and other variants). Eochaid was a relatively common name in Irish society during the so-called dark ages and the mediaeval period and reaches back into the Gaelic pantheon as Eochaid Ollathair (the All-Father) one of the names of The Dagda, the god whose cauldron was never empty and whose club had the power to to kill at one end and restore to life with the other.
What were any effects of Saxon incursion into the Irish Dyfed kingdom, and the the other Welsh kingdoms as a whole? This would be of significant information to all I believe.
There were many more Viking settlements in wales which simply have not been found. If there was a serious investigation into this topic then I am sure Wales would hold some more significance in the Viking story in Britain.
@Cambrian Chronicles 12:51 he describes the man as a Leopard. Looking in to it, Leopards are from Africa and Asia, and while they used to live in Europe, they're supposed to have gone extinct 12,000 years ago. Wikipedia says the leopard was first "described" in 1758, but the way they're using described is lexicon of the scientific method. So, were leopards known about in Britain at the time? Or was leopard the common word for a cat? That'd seem to match the description of the man more aptly, too.
Man, although I'm a big Welsh enthusiast, I always thought we know basically nothing about this period, and am quite awestruck by just how much can be infered! Such a fascinating topic. Thank you for presenting this information! Diolch! Ps.: I'll count a guy called 'Cupbearer and Mixer' among my ancestors as well from now on :D
I recently discovered I have ancestral roots to Dinas in Pembrokeshire through my Gronow/Grono/Gronwy line. May explain my trace Irish DNA. Still trying to understand the trace Melanesian DNA on the same branch.
Hiya mate I've only just found your channel and really enjoying the content, something I found very interesting was the word Arfon as mentioned on the Cantrefi which became the medieval administrative area of Wales, I find it interesting because my grandfather who came from somewhere in North Wales he never really talked about his Welsh family so hardly know anything about them, anyway his middle name was Arfon, so wondering if you will be doing videos on the medieval administrative areas like Arfon in the future mate.
Thank you for watching, and I’ll definitely cover the Cantrefi one day as they’re super interesting! I was going to mention Arfon in particular in one of my upcoming videos as it was one of the most import cantrefi in Gwynedd, so you will definitely see it there!
@@CambrianChronicles No problem mate it's very good content and will definitely look forward to hearing more about Arfon and the rest of the Cantrefi areas.
Nice, I’m glad you mentioned the Ystrad Tywi as a separate dimension cantref rather than placing it as Glywysing which is likely historically inaccurate.
14:04 having studied latin (and remembering a few things from it), wouldn't "Voteporigis" be the genitive case of (presumably) Voteporix? Also, it's interesting, the original latin adjective should be "protEctoris", but I guess with time it was changed to "protIctoris" due to the trilingualism mentioned in the video :)
I'm not sure on the Latin sorry, T. Charles-Edwards's book is the one that covers that in a ton of detail, I wouldn't be too surprised by mistakes in the Latin though, the Romans had been gone for centuries by then
This is fascinating! I learned a lot from your history here, thanks for making it. On the pronunciation of Eochaid: Francis J. Byrne's book "Irish Kings and High Kings" has a pronunciation guide that I found indispensable for Old Irish. He lists Eochaid as pronounced both as "Ech-idh" and "O-chí" (O-Kee). Im inferring from his guide that he would pronounce Allmuir as "Al-vir" Your pronunciation was very good, you pronounced it how most speakers of modern Irish would pronounce it. I say this not as a correction, the video is excellent. Just a minor point about Old Irish pronunciation for if youre curious.
honestly after watching all your videos, it inspired me to actually learn more about medieval history in general, considering my only knowledge about anything medieval is just those crusader kings games lol
Welsh parents- Pembrokeshire region. Ancestry DNA shows a lot of Irish and welsh DNA👍 traced Welsh back as far as I can but need to skip over the water into Ireland ❤️ wars, famine, employment attracted people to new places.
24:00 Owain was possibly regent for Tryffin as Tryffin was likely still a child - That's a common occurence in history afterall. And Owain's death after 3 years could have coincided with Tryffin being considered old enough to rule by himself rather than having to find another regent.
That’s definitely a good theory, but I’m not certain if we have any records of a Welsh regency. The kingdoms of Wales were much less legalistic than their neighbours, and the historian Kari Maund Describes the two most legitimate ways to achieve kingship in Wales as being either through royal descent or through violence
@@CambrianChronicles We don't have many records from that era at all. And the records you're working from are by no means guaranteed to be exact. BUT It could simply be that the Kings brother {Owain} took the throne, died himself three years later and the kings son {Tryffin} then replaced Owain and we're back to the true heir. Or Owain could have been acting as a regent for Tryffin and passed the throne back to his nephew upon Tryffin's 12th, 15th or even 21st year.....We don't know Owain DIED that year, just that he lost the throne that year. Or Owain could have usurped the throne before being defeated in battle by the true heir {Tryffin} three years later. OR With neither Owain nor Tryffin being called Rex Demetorum, it's possible both were kings in exile.....Claimants to a throne now nominally under Mercian rule. Perhaps Bledri held on to Tenby and its environs as a last enclave before his son built Dyfed back up after Mercia's fall to the Vikings in 874....Which actually ties in with Hyffaid's supposed reign. It's also possible Hyffaid had Viking help given Milford is not far from Tenby.
@@franohmsford7548I would rather take sources (despite being unreliable, there is enough that matches up, after all, that is what academic research is about), than mere speculation. Yes, technically it is possible, but without any mention of any of this, speculation is all it is.
@@garymaidman625 The sources available clearly don't give an answer - I'm just providing possibilities for what that answer could be. It's up to you which you find most likely or maybe it could be a combination of them or whether you can't decide between them or even other possibilities. If you were writing a historical novel or screenplay which possibility would you go with? Would that be because you found it the most likely or the best for the story?
@@franohmsford7548they don't give a definitive answer, but with investigative work, which is what academic historical research is, we can find certain things in different independent sources that match up and therefore build a circumstantial case. Most of ancient history is about circumstantial evidence as sources get lost through time or only certain portions of the source survive or sources get mistranslated. A case built on many pieces of circumstantial evidence is a very strong case. What you are doing though is pure speculation without any evidence at all. That is in the very literal sense incredible. In other words, it's not credible at all. The creator of this video however is using many sources to paint a picture, while using disclaimers and saying some sources aren't credible, snippets of information in the sources line up with other sources, to lend weight.
Milford Haven doesn't mean a Mill on a Ford but from Scandinavian Meol fjord. Something like Sandy inlet. Similar to Meols,. Nth. Wirral peninsula . . Lots of Scandi names in my area, Liverpool
very interesting - the Irish also settled in Devon and parts of Cornwall around this time and left similar multiligual ogham stones - did they come from Ireland or Wales? St samson is one of many Irish saints that travelled through Wales over the water to Dumnonia ending his days in the new colonia of Brittany.
Early Christian monks from Ireland travelled over large parts of the island of Britain and on the continent - and in those travels they invariably left behind various cultural artifacts - some of which have survived to this day
The patron saint of Cornwall, St Piran, was Irish. His Irish name was Ciaran. Saints across Cornwall and the West and North of Devon were either Welsh or Irish. Legends say that many were the sons and daughters of a Welsh king and his Irish queen who travelled from West Wales. Could the legends be echoes of historical facts, changed in the telling between languages and before the general public were fully literate? This is a very interesting and thought provoking video. Nice to watch.
I've lived in Dyfed. Beautiful place. Great people. It almost seems like a dream now. But as a young man, stepping out of the Irish troubles to go to college in Wales - it was the perfect place to be. The Welsh may have lived under British rule for a few centuries, but they are still very much their own people.
King Seisyll of Ceridigion's conquest just happens to be an almost exact replica of the Asda Swansea delivery area I used work in. Swansea to Aberystwyth.
Kings from neighbouring kingdoms often had childen marry, and sometimes ap (or Ó in Irish) could indicate relationship via an unnamed daughter of a king... possible there was Deise and Roman ancestry to Dyfedd kings... Brian Ború in Ireland was married multiple times... one of his wives as a daughter of a Saxon king!
@@CambrianChronicles Well I'm from Pembrokeshire and I'm very interested in her history. I wonder if I know anyone related to this line of kings... maybe I am! So thanks for the work you do, love your channel.
@@T_Kelso If you have a long family history in Pembrokeshire then statistically speaking you are almost certainly related in some way to the original kings of Dyfed! Thank you for watching, I’m really glad you’re enjoying it.
@@CambrianChronicles Well I'm pretty sure my father's father's blood sprang straight from the soil around here so I think you're right, and hopefully you are.
Could you please do a video on Hughes of gwerclas? The Hughes line is massive and I think my family might be first in line for the empty place of something. I'm Canadian, I'm so far removed from this stuff I don't know what I'm talking about but I have to know!
It was not the large stones on Stonehenge that came from Wales, for these stones were built much later. It was the small circle stones (that was blue inside)in the centre which is a henge that from Wales.
Hi! Thank you for this video, it's a perfect source for research for my novel and short stories. Just had one question - I wanted to set one story in around 793 AD Dyfed. Which "capital" would suit it the most? I thought about Narberth (because of Mabinogion), but now I'm not so sure. Would it fit?
I think that would be a good fit personally, especially with the Mabinogion connection! Or you could use any of the royal courts that I listed, kings often moved between them for various reasons so don't feel you have to be too rigid in your choice.
Thank you so much for you excellent video on this very interesting part of history. As an Irish man with extensive knowledge of my islands history,it explains a lot of how my ancestors were capable of settling and holdings on to lands far from their native homeland and thus playing their part in shaping part of Britons history. Thanks again. Or go raibh maith agat. In irish,as gaeilge. Slán.
Your comment on Stonehenge saying that the stones came from the Preselli Hills in Pembrokeshire is only partially correct the Blue Stones came from there the large Sarson stones were local stones in Wiltshire
Yeah I messed up the phrasing, my source referred to "stones" and I assumed that meant the whole thing, not knowing that that was only referring to the smaller rocks.
I recently bought the latest version of Pendragon, a fantasy role-playing game set in Arthurian Britain. One of the characters is Irish, from the kingdom of Estragales. Looking at the map, this is Pembrokeshire. Looks like the game designers did their homework!
"The stones" of Stonehenge did not originate in Dyfed. SOME of them did. The smaller bluestones were transported from the Prescelli mountains. However, the huge "hanging" sarsens which everyone associates with the monument, come from up the road in Wiltshire.
Ah thank you for the correction, it seems I misread my source! It seems like many people call the smaller stones “stones” and the larger ones “sarsens”, my source only mentioned the Pembrokeshire “stones” and I read that as ALL of the stones originating in Pembrokeshire, thank you again for pointing that out
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It was Druids though, right? That floated them to the site.
@@Shin_Lona By magic? 😁
@@Shin_Lona According to Sumerian accounts Thoth used his vimana to build and then later correct Stonehenge, then added the outside circle after that... greets from my Stuart side :)
I learned about this kingdom in my Irish archaeology class at UCC. The first records of the Irish language were found in wales if I remember correctly.
That's really cool, I hope I did it justice! That's also very fascinating, I hadn't heard that the first records of Irish were found here
@@CambrianChronicles
You did man! We also have evidence of the Irish in wales going back to Ireland for various occasions. My lecturer compared the déise to Irish Americans and the diaspora. He said they likely maintained some kind of “Irish” identity. But were also their own thing. I have to double check my notes first to make sure. Which as an American Irish person, I agree with that assessment because I feel similar about my own “Irishness”.
Today we are told the Llyn Peninsular was an Irish kingdom of the Laighean, but when I was young I read Leinster was a welsh colony in Ireland. Everything is politics. Probability was all coastal kingdoms had colonies on shores of (today) opposing countries, as the sea united as much as divided.
Wait, so the Irish colonised Great Britain first?!?!
@@charlespirate1 there was forth and back on individual kingdoms, some say the Brothers Coll were British (pre Saxon)
See this is where TH-cam and internet is at its best with people adding what they know and discussing learning grieving and sharing. ❤
The Déise is a common nickname for County Waterford and it’s city to this day.
Déise nuts
I'm i live in Liverpool and I'm of welsh decent and its so nice to see videos like this especially because my mum is of irish decent
I’m glad you enjoyed, and that’s it’s good mix of Irish and Welsh history!
@@CambrianChronicles indeed
Hello again, I apologise for such a long wait, hopefully it will have paid off! I spent a lot of time trying to improve the audio, so I hope it sounds a lot better than my last video.
If you enjoyed this video make sure to like/subscribe/email your neighbour about it/share it around! Thanks
audio is wayyy better 👍👍
@@Stu161 thank you!
It was worth the wait! For a video of this length and detail it's amazing how quickly your video was uploaded. I really hope your channel gets more attention soon, truly a hidden gem.
Thank you so much, that’s really appreciated!
@@CambrianChronicles you are doing fine....truly a Welsh Bard..that would be welcome here on the wirral peninsula...well done for your generosity...E
Good effort on the pronunciations , I'm not gonna deduct any points for mispronouncing anything, I'd be hard pressed to find an Irish person who can properly pronounce old Irish names.
And as an Irish person living in Wales this was really interesting, thank you!
Love from Ireland to our Celtic brothers across the sea🇮🇪❤🏴
Iechyd da! 🏴 🍻 🇮🇪
As an American descendent of Welsh and Irish heritage. Thank you
Irish colonising bastards 🏴🇬🇧💪🏻
So glad I came across this channel, great videos and very well put across. As a Scot, always nice to see more media on my Celtic brothers and sisters too.
I think it's very interesting that there were so many small and separate kingdoms so long ago. The Welsh language is quite complex, especially when you see the words spelled out
nice to see irish and scots comments here mutual history being kept alive.
I agree!
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Watching a video about Wales in Scotland, and I’m Irish
For too long our history has been trampled on and forgotten. It makes me happy to see ancient links being rediscovered.
I Agree, from Greenock Scotland, live In Oregon USA. It's great to see all the comments from and enjoy anything on the history . We're all quite the mash up there
An interesting fact about Hywel Dda: He is the only Welsh king before the Norman Conquest for whom a coin type is known. Although it is probably an English coinage with a mintmaster from Chester, the unique specimen names Hywel as king.
That's very interesting, I didn't know he was the only one
I not 100 % ,heard a rumour of a coin with both kings of Celts and king of England, just lately...
Chester was Welsh, in effect, at that time, surely?
I also believe that Hywel Dda declared that an illegitimate son had to be provided for by his father after his death.
A woman could divorce her husband in the 10th Century!
If a man got into debt and had his goods seized, the only possession he was allowed to keep was his harp so he could earn his living
Greetings from Waterford, ancestral home of the Deise. Congratulations on an excellent video outlining that part of your and our shared history. Unfortunately many Irish people are not aware of that part of their history. Congratulations again, and thank you so much for such an excellent presentation.
Thank you so much for watching, I’m really glad you enjoyed and I’m happy to have introduced people to a bit of unknown shared history!
@waterfordviking Bear in mind that the Deisi were expelled from Tara! They were exiles and not a dynasty.
I'm intrigued, I've only visited Pembrokeshire once, which was back in the 90's. Beautiful part of the country, (I was in the Tenby/Castlemartin area) and the friendliest people I've ever met in the UK. I wasn't aware of the Irish connection at the time, perhaps that shared heritage was, in part at least, the reason for such a warm welcome. Looking forward to catching up on your other work, I also love your style of narration. Thank you.
On my to do list too...
Thank you, I really appreciate it! I agree Pembrokeshire is very beautiful and I’m really glad you enjoyed the video
My mum is from Dyfed (Caerfyrddin), Dad Munster Irish (Nenagh). Much closer cultures than I thought!
NENAGH MENTIONED
Nenagh East munster...of course our culture's are similar
Me too lol 😂 Dyfed and Munster Irish
@@crimsoncockatoo461 do you speak gaelic & Welsh?
Thoroughly enjoying your videos mate! Nice to see someone else telling the story of Wales
Thank you, I'm really glad you're enjoying them!
Very very nice video! Here in Ireland we still call Co. Waterford the Déise, the dialect of Irish spoken is called "Gaeilinn na nDéise", or "the Irish of the Déise".
The county I'm from (Co. Laois) originally spoke a very similar dialect to what is spoken in Irish-speaking areas in the Déise (such as An Rinn).
Most of the septs of Laois were originally cruthin or crithini people different to the Gaels especially the Lawlors and O'Moores they came from Ulster as mercenaries to expell and invasion form the Eonacght from the south .
A passage in the book of Lecan gives reference to them being crithini or Pictish.
From the line of ir .
THIS! This is the content I’ve been looking for, for years! Welsh history is so fascinating. Thank you for all the research and detail you’ve included in this video. I hope this channel blows up.
Thank you, I’m really glad you enjoyed!
@@fieldagentryan found a 5 thousand year old Brehon Law school in the Burren in County Clare...
These (limited) Welsh videos are hurting my head - the names, cities and kingdoms seem impossible to pronounce and difficult to spell, AND it’s ALL brand new to me. Quite familiar with Brit history, and some Scot/Irish history, but NOT Welsh history at all. VERY glad to see these videos, though they’re rather fast-paced (I’M OLD). Anyway, thank you for posting them and for teaching me totally new stuff!
Absolutely fascinating. Excellent work yet again!
Thank you for your support, it’s always appreciated!
Delighted to have to come across this channel. Very interesting, well researched and well produced.
Thank you so much, I appreciate it!
Interestingly, the Normans who invaded Ireland in 1169 came from Wales. The links between Ireland and Wales are deep.
@BrianT they occupied wales
These weren't Normans there Gaels
Maelgwn was a Fir Domneii
Flann Sinna basically got the Vikings out of Ireland by using them to fight his battles around 900s when they started leaving after
I mean, it is probably because it is a shorter way to travel than anything else
Ah, the mighty touch of The Poets and The Poems are never outdated, meant to survive. Thanks dear sir for going on the hunt, and a deep dusty earthy one it is. A smashing production. Peace and Vitality, Geraldine
You’re welcome, thank you for watching!
@@CambrianChronicles Ifor one would like to know how Hughes ( aka Lugh...) ..became Yozza ,Hughes, I attended Saint Hugh's school in Birkhenhead....a bit tough ...for anyone of any background...of course The Boys from the Blackstuff....depicting us Irish / Welsh /English/Scottish/ ...indeed...the hybrid Scouse as something to be depicted negatively..?..Despite everything it appears John Lennon apart from being Irish is also descended from Owain Glendower...stunning
Thank you for this wonderful teaching. My great grandfather was born in Glamorganshire early 1700’s. He came to 🇨🇦 and married a full native ( orphaned) woman. My aunt flew from Winnipeg, MB to Wales to record our history back to 1672. In our province Manitoba (Manitobah) offered a Registration status called Métis. I always felt Irish. My family dined on Irish/Scottish/English food. I received my status in 2004. 🇨🇦 had given all Métis status off the Reserve (Sagkneeg) for me. When our history was printed out I noticed that St. Peter’s church near Selkirk had my past relatives buried there. It was why (finally) that every time my friend wanted to visit there and walk around the graveyard I was emotionally affected. After I received my status number and Script; I went back to read the half buried plates where my ancestors lay. 🌹🇨🇦
Funny too that my parents belonged to a banking system called Cambrian. My dad’s mum was a WW1 war bride. She was from London, England. She met my grandfather (or Pepere)🇨🇦 working at Windsor Castle as a cook. Her sister was the ?Head Mistress’ of hiring, training, and firing. My deep connections to Wales, England & France are deep. We carried the traditions forward. I will be watching all your lectures here and subscribed. I wish you well.
Thank you so much for sharing, you have a fascinating history and I'm really glad you're enjoying the channel!
@@CambrianChronicles thank You.
I’ve been told to write a book. If you only knew the half of it; from ‘locals’ leaving home-brew hidden by smugglers near the first General Store opened by a Welsh/First Nation man, ( my great-grandfather )in a ‘tourist town’ with a fly-in fishing airport in the 1920’s. Frontier life. 🙂🇨🇦 Good Day Sir.
This is extremely detailed and I never heard of this kingdom before thank you for this
Thank you for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed!
@@CambrianChronicles I can’t wait to see more content by the way you should have a million subscribers
Absolutely amazing. I am Welsh and I love the level of detail you went into. You pronounced Gwyr a little bit not quite right. ŵ is pronounced differently to just standard w. It sounds more like an 'oooh' so Gŵyr sounds like g oooh eee rrr. ŵy, meaning egg, is also pronounced oooh yeee: ooohyeee. But the rest of your welsh pronunciation was really good, you can get your tongue around the lls really well
Thank you! My Welsh teacher spent ages trying to get me to pronounce LL and roll my Rs correctly (although I still can’t do the last one), thank you for the correction, I haven’t had a lot of practice with ŵ but hopefully I can manage it a bit better next time
@@CambrianChronicles wow... well I didn't want to assume you're English, but if you are, then absolutely and especially da iawn am dysgu Cymraeg! I have subscribed and am looking forward to more. It must have taken you a very long time to research but the end product is really impressive.
@@stephrichards4611 Ah no I am Welsh I was just terrible at it in primary school so I needed a lot of help in high school haha, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos
@@CambrianChronicles oh dear, I'm sorry for saying that then! Thank you anyway, well done 👏
@@stephrichards4611 don’t worry it’s not an insult! You’re welcome, I’m glad you enjoy the videos
Welsh history is fascinating.
'Celtic' history is fascinating, and vast.
Dw i newydd ddod o hyd at eich sianel chi ac dw i’n ei charu hi. Mor addysgiadol âg ymchwil ardderchog. Allech chi wneud pennod am deyrnas Went rhywbryd? Diolch o’r galon a parhewch beth rydych chi’n gwneud!
I have recently found your channel and I love it. So informative and well researched. Could you do an episode on the Kingdom of Gwent one day? Many thanks. Continue what you are doing!
Diolch! I will definitely cover the kingdom of Gwent one day, it's succession and history with Morgannwg is quite complicated and I still don't have my head wrapped around it
Really enjoying these. Would love to see on on senghenydd and their interactions with the de clare family. Once a kingdom from. Merthyr to cardiff and now a tiny village
The De Clare family were a big deal in Ulster and with Robert the Bruce...
Excellent teachings. As an old Cornishman, we were taught our Ancient through to our Celtic history at second school, but no more. In those days we were still very insular in the far SW, in fact I still no very little Sowsnek history after the arrival of the Conqueror. In my village, Mylor, my school mates and I flocked to our village grocers in 1969 after our grocer Esketh Williams retired. English people from Birminham had bought it. Their accent was alien to us. Now, Mylor is a place infected with: "Those Sowson folk, with an addiction to crossing the Tamar and moving in". Bit like The Great Heathen Army, that left their axes at home.
My granny is Irish her last name is of a clan of the tribe Deisi, she once told me my her father couldn't read but was a farm vet and could tell if a cow was ill by looking at it. I'll have to read the poem you mentioned now lol.
Are you actually implying Irish can't read even when they're a vet? So utterly sick shit of colonial bigotry
@@Tailtiu3 Colonial bigotry is why he couldn't read, schooling for catholics was restricted and what schools they had weren't good, especially because he spoke Irish and lived in the countryside.
Gaelic he spoke Gaelic @@jooseppielleese7156
@@jooseppielleese7156 hedge schools they were called, educated was denied to indigenous communities, why are you trying to tell me my history
@@jooseppielleese7156 he spoke gaelic
Amazing video. The Irish connection to a kingdom in Wales is fascinating. Perhaps that's why I, an Irish-American, was so drawn to St Davids when I first visited the UK more than 2 decades ago. Almost certainly not, lol. But there's something uncanny about the place, something a tad mystical, despite the prosaic charm to Brits as a great hiking destination for summer vacation.
This absolutely fascinating! It is very intense, full of info and interpretation of the sources but from what I know hard to argue with! And I like a good argument.
Thank 🆙 CYMRU ❤️🏴
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you!
Fun going back and watching this after having watched the episode on Rheinwg
Thank you for this video. I really like your excellent editing, slow pacing and speech, and music, which gives the videos a really contemplative style. It makes it perfect for me to watch your videos before bed, as unusually for educational or informative content, your videos allow me to learn while also not being overstimulated; having the opportunity to sit down in bed, discover new facts and elements of histories I'd never know otherwise, and reflect on the rich history of peoples who are now invisible or gone, but who in their own time lived, laughed, and loved just as we do now.
Thank you again from a Coptic Christian fan of your work.
Thank you so much, that's very kind of you and I'm really glad you enjoy my work!
I live literally on the Preseli Hills, with a proper photography Drone, I'd be more than willing to get footage of anything you need in the area, if need be.
And have another place near Llandeilo
This is really interesting stuff, the British Isles are packed full of fascinating stories and history, thank you for shining a light on a period that doesn't often get much attention.
Thank you for watching, the lack of attention given to Wales is precisely why I’ve made this channel!
@@CambrianChronicles good stuff...hoping to ride the rails on the Bidston _Wrexham line
British Isles? How do I get there from Burma?
@@polomis27 I will not
As an Irish man, I can with absolute assurance, assure you that Ireland is not part of the British Isles - This is an antiquated British colonial term and ceased to apply to Ireland once the Act of Union ended in 1922 with the then creation of the Irish Free State ( Republic of, in 1949)
The term is not used at an official State level by either the Irish or UK governments or at E.U. level due to the offensive nature of the term for for Irish Citizens. As it implies that Ireland is British. Ireland was never British.
The view is held that this term British Isles is controversial in Ireland, where there are objections to its usage due to the association of the word British with Ireland.
The Government of Ireland does not recognize or use the term and its embassy in London discourages its use.
As a result, Britain and Ireland is used as an alternative description, and Atlantic Archipelago has had limited use among academics. Also in use is the acronym IONA which stands for the Islands of the North Atlantic. The term Celtic Isles was also considered, however because England is not Celtic but rather, Saxon, this term has not been used. They are also sometimes referred to as these islands. Or The British Isles and Ireland.
You will not here mention of the term in Irish schools during geography or history lessons. You will never here a person use the term, The term however, is used on the UK among a very post-colonial insensitive ignorant populace, whom don't even see Ireland as a foreign country.
The truth being, Canada, New Zealand, Australia are more British than Ireland could ever be, seeing as they are all members of the British Commonwealth with a British Monarch as the Head of their States.
The British need to realize that their Empire is long over. Unfortunately their colonialist language still exists. Ireland is not a part of the Isles (no matter what you British or Anglo Irish seem to think) Mumbai is the capital of India, not Bombay, Myanmar is the name of the country in Asia, Burma.
When you are wrong, it doesn't matter how many times you say it or how strongly you believe it - Your still wrong, and if corrected, you still revert to your original understanding, well then this is pure ignorance and false belief.
British Isles has no official status.
Thank you for this. Very interesting.
I do reckon the true original relationship between the languages of the “Q-Celtic” and “P-Celtic” peoples is yet to be fully realised. And on going back into the Bronze Age, it is mostly now accepted that the original “Proto-Celtic language” was “Q-Celtic” in form.
And I reckon the entire coast of Western Britain from the Western Scottish Highlands to North West England to Wales to Cornwall and Devon and originally “Q-Celtic” in the Bronze and Iron Ages.
And evidence can be found in the Irish and Welsh languages. Really Irish is a conservative “pure Q-Celtic” form but Welsh actually a hybrid “P-Celtic” and “Q-Celtic” language. This can be seen in the very name for Wales in Welsh, “Cymru”, which etymology is “Q-Celtic”, having a “C”. But with the older original Irish language form, strictly never having any words with “P”.
Evidence can also be found in places names. In Devon, the River Exe, which gives its name to Exeter and Exmouth really stands out. Where the “River Exe” means “Fish River”. With there being no “P”at the beginning for fish like in Welsh and Cornish. And note the Irish for Fish which is “Iasc”. The River Exe is etymologically “Q-Celtic”.
And I reckon the older original “Celtic” language of Western Britain from North East Scotland all the way to Kent was a much “purer P-Celtic” form, including the “Pictish” language of North East Scotland.
I have also come to thinking that the arrival of the Romans brought migrations from Eastern Britain, into whats now Wales, Devon and Cornwall, which had a great “P-Celticisation” of the languages there.
This for me, explains an ancient connection on both sides of the Irish Sea which re-kindled after the Romans left. And why also, so many Ogham Stones are found in Wales, Cornwall and Devon which have a “Q-Celtic” writing form.
V interesting Bernard, great read.
There has always been historic "battle" between the "Q" & "P" Celtic languages.The Dal Riata kings of ancient Ireland brought their Gaelic language to Scotland and destroyed the previous Brythonic language(s) spoken there. The Brythonic language(s) spoken in Wales survived the onslaught of the Gaelic language brought across by the Irish immigrants. My theory is where people are IMMIGRANTS they tend to lose their languages and adopt the languages of their new home whereas CONQUERORS tend to impose their languages on the conquered people.
Also, DNA study of ancient Britons indicates that Britain was primarily populated by two major waves of Indo-European migration from the continent during the Bronze Age with minimal change until the Anglo-Saxon migrations.
If consider Goidelic as the language of the first wave and Brythonic as the language of the second that would explain the lack of a known dialect continuum between Welsh and Gaelic.
That pattern of migration also parallels the Romanization and Anglicization of Britain during the historical era: starts in the southeast then moves north and west.
It also could explain why there is confusion as to what languages the Picts spoke if we consider Pictland being in a transition phase between being Goedelic and Brythonic during the Roman era.
Cymru starts with a C thanks to William Salesbury.
And as for the exe, the proto celtic Uisk reflects a common root word rather than 'Q type'. You find uisk becoming Wysg in Welsh. You aslo find the 'clyst' right by the Exe which is likely derived from either Uisk or Wysg.
I think the premise of 'pure' is incredibly problematic. It also ignores the gaelic raiding and colonisation attempts of the west coast - the q type being introduced to Britain
Good inferential work. But a side note: did Q-Celtic speakers in Ireland arrive on the Island from Britian or the Continent?
Good job! I've been studying this region and period for over 40yrs. Very nicely done overall.
Thank you, I hope I covered most of it!
Really enjoyed that
Brought a lot of clarity to a murky pile of stuff that has always held interest for me :)
Thank you! I’m really glad you enjoyed it
I have thoroughly enjoyed this video! The proximity to Ireland was borne out during our recent walking holiday to St Davids and we kept picking up Irish radio more than local.
You mentioned a video about Deheubarth, where can I find it please?
Ah that's really interesting, definitely proves how close they are then! The video on Deheubarth hasn't been made yet as these kingdom videos take a very long time, it'll be made eventually but I've been focusing on other topics for the time being
@@CambrianChronicles Thanks, take your time and it will all turn out well!
In his "War Song of Dinas Vawr" the author Thomas Love Peacock relates the demise of Ednyfed, King of Dyfed following a cattle raid. It's a rollicking sort of poem and probably has no claims to any degree of authenticity. However, in its description of a violent and bloody incursion it fits well with the theme running through this excellent video. Poor old Ednyfed had his head carried in front of the departing raiders.
Great video. Really interesting stuff. I hope you make more.
Amazing work, love how in depth it is. Looking forward to seeing the rest of your work. Da iawn:)
Glad you enjoyed it!
What an amazing story, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
We're all Celtic in the end, I love your Draig and your beautiful mountains rival some of our finest hills ❤ ☘
We are far earlier than Celts
No all celt the english who live in England today are germanic saxons NOT celts
@@Tailtiu3 Anglo-Saxons interbred with native Britonic Celts. English traditiona of the green man, Celtic Knots, and much more can be traced back to Germanic and Celtic intermixed cultures. Kent England being named after the Celtic name of the region and numerous English towns and rivers still bearing Celtic names.
The greeks referred to the irish as the celt but as always the english trying to claim everything @@LesNouvelle-Angleterreur
@@LesNouvelle-Angleterreur the Greeks called the irish keátoi& different tribes , the cruthin as WE call ourselves because I know my history can be traced to Uladh . Like all good English your try to claim & steal what doesn't belong to you, fine germanic saxons we've put up with you as neighbours for years, & so has our European friends& family
RESPECT to you, a wonderful dictate of history
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
This is really cool. It's important to know your local history.
I agree!
@@CambrianChronicles I also hope your channel grows a bit more. It's great to have such a detailed breakdown of a region's history like this
@@isaweesaw Thank you! I’m hoping to cover all of the medieval Welsh kingdoms eventually but they take quite a while to make
Fantastic video, I don't envy you reading the various epistolae and chronicles or secondary sources mentioning the word "Déisi" (which was an extremely common noun used to describe various peoples, where I live the Déisi Teamair were tributaries of the other tuaths) lol, there's so many of them.
Just one little thing, the Irish version of Voteporigis is rendered in Ogham as Fotecorigas - the F would have been the closest thing to a V in Ogham.
Fascinating video.
Eochaid (a name derived from the early Irish word 'Each' a horse or steed) is pronounced Eochy in modern lrish where it survives as the surnames (among others) MacEochaidh or Ó hEochaidh. (anglicised as Keogh, Kehoe, or Haughey and other variants). Eochaid was a relatively common name in Irish society during the so-called dark ages and the mediaeval period and reaches back into the Gaelic pantheon as Eochaid Ollathair (the All-Father) one of the names of The Dagda, the god whose cauldron was never empty and whose club had the power to to kill at one end and restore to life with the other.
I read somewhere the name comes from a title given to clan studs that would be chosen to help infertile couples to procreate.
Thank you.
My Mom is a Morgan. I come by it honestly.P.S. Excellent presentation of our history.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
What were any effects of Saxon incursion into the Irish Dyfed kingdom, and the the other Welsh kingdoms as a whole? This would be of significant information to all I believe.
"He can be safely ignored like every middle sibling." Savage.
There were many more Viking settlements in wales which simply have not been found. If there was a serious investigation into this topic then I am sure Wales would hold some more significance in the Viking story in Britain.
@Cambrian Chronicles 12:51 he describes the man as a Leopard. Looking in to it, Leopards are from Africa and Asia, and while they used to live in Europe, they're supposed to have gone extinct 12,000 years ago. Wikipedia says the leopard was first "described" in 1758, but the way they're using described is lexicon of the scientific method.
So, were leopards known about in Britain at the time?
Or was leopard the common word for a cat? That'd seem to match the description of the man more aptly, too.
Man, although I'm a big Welsh enthusiast, I always thought we know basically nothing about this period, and am quite awestruck by just how much can be infered! Such a fascinating topic. Thank you for presenting this information! Diolch!
Ps.: I'll count a guy called 'Cupbearer and Mixer' among my ancestors as well from now on :D
I’m a history geek from America. My grandparents were all from Ireland. This was fascinating, and and excellent presentation. Thanks.🇺🇸🇮🇪🏴
I love these videos so much and besides the amazing history I love seeing cameos from my ancestors. Hi Alfred the great 47th great grandfather!
I recently discovered I have ancestral roots to Dinas in Pembrokeshire through my Gronow/Grono/Gronwy line. May explain my trace Irish DNA. Still trying to understand the trace Melanesian DNA on the same branch.
Hiya mate I've only just found your channel and really enjoying the content, something I found very interesting was the word Arfon as mentioned on the Cantrefi which became the medieval administrative area of Wales, I find it interesting because my grandfather who came from somewhere in North Wales he never really talked about his Welsh family so hardly know anything about them, anyway his middle name was Arfon, so wondering if you will be doing videos on the medieval administrative areas like Arfon in the future mate.
Thank you for watching, and I’ll definitely cover the Cantrefi one day as they’re super interesting! I was going to mention Arfon in particular in one of my upcoming videos as it was one of the most import cantrefi in Gwynedd, so you will definitely see it there!
@@CambrianChronicles No problem mate it's very good content and will definitely look forward to hearing more about Arfon and the rest of the Cantrefi areas.
I like you’re content, high quality, I hope you’re proud of it
Thank you so much, I definitely am although there’s a lot to improve, I’m glad you enjoyed!
Nice, I’m glad you mentioned the Ystrad Tywi as a separate dimension cantref rather than placing it as Glywysing which is likely historically inaccurate.
Of course! Ystrad Tywi is very interesting and I’m glad I got to cover it a bit in this video
14:04 having studied latin (and remembering a few things from it), wouldn't "Voteporigis" be the genitive case of (presumably) Voteporix? Also, it's interesting, the original latin adjective should be "protEctoris", but I guess with time it was changed to "protIctoris" due to the trilingualism mentioned in the video :)
I'm not sure on the Latin sorry, T. Charles-Edwards's book is the one that covers that in a ton of detail, I wouldn't be too surprised by mistakes in the Latin though, the Romans had been gone for centuries by then
This is fascinating! I learned a lot from your history here, thanks for making it.
On the pronunciation of Eochaid: Francis J. Byrne's book "Irish Kings and High Kings" has a pronunciation guide that I found indispensable for Old Irish. He lists Eochaid as pronounced both as "Ech-idh" and "O-chí" (O-Kee). Im inferring from his guide that he would pronounce Allmuir as "Al-vir" Your pronunciation was very good, you pronounced it how most speakers of modern Irish would pronounce it.
I say this not as a correction, the video is excellent. Just a minor point about Old Irish pronunciation for if youre curious.
Thank you, I'll take a look at that, much appreciated!
honestly after watching all your videos, it inspired me to actually learn more about medieval history in general, considering my only knowledge about anything medieval is just those crusader kings games lol
Awesome video, Sir!
Im glad you enjoyed!
Welsh parents- Pembrokeshire region. Ancestry DNA shows a lot of Irish and welsh DNA👍 traced Welsh back as far as I can but need to skip over the water into Ireland ❤️ wars, famine, employment attracted people to new places.
24:00 Owain was possibly regent for Tryffin as Tryffin was likely still a child - That's a common occurence in history afterall.
And Owain's death after 3 years could have coincided with Tryffin being considered old enough to rule by himself rather than having to find another regent.
That’s definitely a good theory, but I’m not certain if we have any records of a Welsh regency. The kingdoms of Wales were much less legalistic than their neighbours, and the historian Kari Maund Describes the two most legitimate ways to achieve kingship in Wales as being either through royal descent or through violence
@@CambrianChronicles We don't have many records from that era at all.
And the records you're working from are by no means guaranteed to be exact.
BUT
It could simply be that the Kings brother {Owain} took the throne, died himself three years later and the kings son {Tryffin} then replaced Owain and we're back to the true heir.
Or Owain could have been acting as a regent for Tryffin and passed the throne back to his nephew upon Tryffin's 12th, 15th or even 21st year.....We don't know Owain DIED that year, just that he lost the throne that year.
Or Owain could have usurped the throne before being defeated in battle by the true heir {Tryffin} three years later.
OR
With neither Owain nor Tryffin being called Rex Demetorum, it's possible both were kings in exile.....Claimants to a throne now nominally under Mercian rule.
Perhaps Bledri held on to Tenby and its environs as a last enclave before his son built Dyfed back up after Mercia's fall to the Vikings in 874....Which actually ties in with Hyffaid's supposed reign. It's also possible Hyffaid had Viking help given Milford is not far from Tenby.
@@franohmsford7548I would rather take sources (despite being unreliable, there is enough that matches up, after all, that is what academic research is about), than mere speculation. Yes, technically it is possible, but without any mention of any of this, speculation is all it is.
@@garymaidman625 The sources available clearly don't give an answer - I'm just providing possibilities for what that answer could be.
It's up to you which you find most likely or maybe it could be a combination of them or whether you can't decide between them or even other possibilities.
If you were writing a historical novel or screenplay which possibility would you go with? Would that be because you found it the most likely or the best for the story?
@@franohmsford7548they don't give a definitive answer, but with investigative work, which is what academic historical research is, we can find certain things in different independent sources that match up and therefore build a circumstantial case. Most of ancient history is about circumstantial evidence as sources get lost through time or only certain portions of the source survive or sources get mistranslated. A case built on many pieces of circumstantial evidence is a very strong case. What you are doing though is pure speculation without any evidence at all. That is in the very literal sense incredible. In other words, it's not credible at all. The creator of this video however is using many sources to paint a picture, while using disclaimers and saying some sources aren't credible, snippets of information in the sources line up with other sources, to lend weight.
That was very interesting. Well presented. And I’ve subscribed.
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Excellent video.
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Milford Haven doesn't mean a Mill on a Ford but from Scandinavian Meol fjord. Something like Sandy inlet. Similar to Meols,. Nth. Wirral peninsula . . Lots of Scandi names in my area, Liverpool
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Fantastic work. Would love a piece on Gwent
Of course, although both Gwent and Morgannwg have quite a complex line of succession so it’ll take a while for me to wrap my head around it
@@CambrianChronicles and that is before the Silures...scourge of the Romans
28:57 the natural ancestor to "you are what you eat"
Good video I will watch all of your videos thank u for making them
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Fantastic knowledge and really appreciate it 👍
very interesting - the Irish also settled in Devon and parts of Cornwall around this time and left similar multiligual ogham stones - did they come from Ireland or Wales? St samson is one of many Irish saints that travelled through Wales over the water to Dumnonia ending his days in the new colonia of Brittany.
Early Christian monks from Ireland travelled over large parts of the island of Britain and on the continent - and in those travels they invariably left behind various cultural artifacts - some of which have survived to this day
The patron saint of Cornwall, St Piran, was Irish. His Irish name was Ciaran. Saints across Cornwall and the West and North of Devon were either Welsh or Irish. Legends say that many were the sons and daughters of a Welsh king and his Irish queen who travelled from West Wales. Could the legends be echoes of historical facts, changed in the telling between languages and before the general public were fully literate?
This is a very interesting and thought provoking video. Nice to watch.
I hope the Deheubarth video will be ready soon !
I'm making plans for it currently, it'll hopefully be included in a poll fairly soon
"...something more common in this time: like cholera..." XD excellent video!
In Ireland today, County Wexford (Closest point to Wales on the south east corner of Ireland) is still nicknamed "The Deise county"
No. Waterford.
I've lived in Dyfed. Beautiful place. Great people. It almost seems like a dream now. But as a young man, stepping out of the Irish troubles to go to college in Wales - it was the perfect place to be. The Welsh may have lived under British rule for a few centuries, but they are still very much their own people.
King Seisyll of Ceridigion's conquest just happens to be an almost exact replica of the Asda Swansea delivery area I used work in. Swansea to Aberystwyth.
Kings from neighbouring kingdoms often had childen marry, and sometimes ap (or Ó in Irish) could indicate relationship via an unnamed daughter of a king... possible there was Deise and Roman ancestry to Dyfedd kings...
Brian Ború in Ireland was married multiple times... one of his wives as a daughter of a Saxon king!
"sometimes ap" Wouldn't the Irish equivalent of ap or map be the Irish Mac.
This is brilliant 👏🏽
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Amazing video, thanks
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@@CambrianChronicles Well I'm from Pembrokeshire and I'm very interested in her history. I wonder if I know anyone related to this line of kings... maybe I am! So thanks for the work you do, love your channel.
@@T_Kelso If you have a long family history in Pembrokeshire then statistically speaking you are almost certainly related in some way to the original kings of Dyfed!
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@@CambrianChronicles Well I'm pretty sure my father's father's blood sprang straight from the soil around here so I think you're right, and hopefully you are.
Could you please do a video on Hughes of gwerclas?
The Hughes line is massive and I think my family might be first in line for the empty place of something. I'm Canadian, I'm so far removed from this stuff I don't know what I'm talking about but I have to know!
It was not the large stones on Stonehenge that came from Wales, for these stones were built much later. It was the small circle stones (that was blue inside)in the centre which is a henge that from Wales.
The inter reladness of the Celtic peoples runs deep
Superb stuff!!!
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Hi! Thank you for this video, it's a perfect source for research for my novel and short stories. Just had one question - I wanted to set one story in around 793 AD Dyfed. Which "capital" would suit it the most? I thought about Narberth (because of Mabinogion), but now I'm not so sure. Would it fit?
I think that would be a good fit personally, especially with the Mabinogion connection! Or you could use any of the royal courts that I listed, kings often moved between them for various reasons so don't feel you have to be too rigid in your choice.
@@CambrianChronicles Thank you very much!
I cross the river Neath daily. Since viewing this video, I enjoy knowing that at one time I would have been crossing a border.
Cant wait for you to cover the Kingdom of Alt Clut/Strathclyde
Such good work!
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Thank you so much for you excellent video on this very interesting part of history. As an Irish man with extensive knowledge of my islands history,it explains a lot of how my ancestors were capable of settling and holdings on to lands far from their native homeland and thus playing their part in shaping part of Britons history. Thanks again. Or go raibh maith agat. In irish,as gaeilge. Slán.
Your comment on Stonehenge saying that the stones came from the Preselli Hills in Pembrokeshire is only partially correct the Blue Stones came from there the large Sarson stones were local stones in Wiltshire
Yeah I messed up the phrasing, my source referred to "stones" and I assumed that meant the whole thing, not knowing that that was only referring to the smaller rocks.
@@CambrianChronicles that's ok easy mistake to make I I initially thought the same
Wonderful video. Southeast Ireland here thank you for educating me 🇮🇪🏴
I recently bought the latest version of Pendragon, a fantasy role-playing game set in Arthurian Britain. One of the characters is Irish, from the kingdom of Estragales. Looking at the map, this is Pembrokeshire. Looks like the game designers did their homework!
As a black person that has nothing to do with wales this is cool af