4:02 "the opposing force will attempt to destroy our electronic nets in the first minutes of battle." "Emitters which cannot be destroyed by suprressive fires will be subjected to jamming with an intensity never before encountered in battle."
I was USAF in the 80s. We fought that war every ORI and practice ORI. We, NATO, lost every ORI, and went hot. It was disheartening sometimes to see the authorities didn't figure it would end any other way. However looking at these animations it would take a large tactical nuke to stop each battalion. We play launched everything we had with 2 or 3 each. What a mess.
Ironically I remember training against this, but 40 years later the current Russian commanders have evidently never seen this. I've not seen videos demonstrating any massed fires or tanks and zero use of obscurants to hide from drones.
@@Matt-h8x4uwell, the Russian race has undergone tremendous corruption and depletion of morale through alcoholism and genetic contamination by pollution
@@canthide2153 there are several pieces. the song at the very beginning is prokofiev's "battle on the ice". there is also the sacrificial dance from stravinsky's "rite of spring" around 12:08.
I served in the U.S. Army in Germany for 6 years in the 1970's. I served in Cavalry and Armor and patrolled the West Germen border with East Germany and Czechoslovakia. I was also my unit's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare NCO. At the collapse of the Soviet Union much of the Soviet tanks, armor and equipment in the Warsaw Pact countries fell into the hands of the West. Intelligence experts from Nato and the U.S. were shocked at the inferiority of this equipment. The Soviet equipment was so crude and badly engineered that operating it was a challenge to the average serviceman to use effectively. The NATO forces were armed with the most advanced military equipment currently available and technologically advanced NBC warfare equipment. A fact often overlooked was the ability to fight in hours of darkness. I served in 1st Battalion, 35th Armor, 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division (7th Corp). When I departed that unit in December 1979 the entire Brigade had been equipped with 3rd generation night vision goggles (including an entire battalion of mechanized infantry} and had the ability to operate in total darkness unlike the Warsaw Pact which had no such ability. The entire U.S. Army in Europe was similarly equipped at a great advantage. 7th Corp was the unit that engaged the Iraqi Army in the now famous western sweep in the Iraqi war and my Brigade did not lose a single armored vehicle in the entire engagement. The Iraqi army at the time was completely equipped with Soviet armor and artillery and they were completely annihilated. It is no surprise to me that the Russian army is having such a hard time defeating the Ukrainian army. The Warsaw Pact should thank its lucky stars they did not challenge NATO as they would have been handed their asses on silver platters and defeated handily.
freeze at 1:04 or 1:05, i count at least 13 soviet helicopters. reply here. if this reminds anyone of the chapter of the air assault in Ralph Peter's Red Army by the character Gordunov, p153 "As the helicopters carrying the air assault battalion passed over- ( head soldier and citizen looked up in astonishment, shocked by this new dimension of trouble. Some of the more disciplined soldiers along the road opened fire at the waves of aircraft, but the small-arms fire had no effect beyond exciting the pilots. The aircraft returned the fire, nervous pilots devastating the mixed traffic with bursts from their Gatlings.... Olive-painted transport trucks and fine, brightly colored A German automobiles exploded into wild gasoline fires. r Drivers turned into fields or steered desperately over embankments. Others smashed into one another. Gordunov's rain-drenched face never changed expression."
Picked it up and dropped it! Hes writing make him appear as a tiny, petty, cucky, civicy, overly emotional, make believe, chad hating beta honorary jew gay boy! :-/ That's NOT OK! Still, if someone rewrites the book with less of the gay feels stuff.. its gonna be a great reading (Y)
@@danyvarna5094 i can understand - he did a very deep dive into the minds of his characters, much more than tom clancy, and you wonder if Peters had an ax to grind , and that definitely put people off. every other facet of the book is perfect
"soldiers.... don't give yourselves to these men!!! machine men with machine minds and machine hearts!!!! you are not machines you are men...you have the love of humanity in your hearts.-Charles chaplain.
You have uploaded videos on 2 out of 3 of the offensive tactics used by red army, meeting engagement and breathrough. Is there a video on pursuit? can you upload it?
@@danieldefilippo9355 Just say that's when the nukes fly. Though I think they'd be flying at the masses of WP armour long before they could reach a NATO country's border. This is why the US and NATO would never agree to no first use of nukes.
@@taylorc2542 from the 1950s until the fall of the Berlin Wall, the East Germans were highly devoted to the Socialist regime in power, highly motivated, and well equipped in greater numbers than the Bundeswehr. You have to remember that the West Germans were only starting to rebuild their army in 1959, they had to rebuild from the bottom up. We Americans were woefully under equipped and until the Abrams and Bradley arrived in Europe in the 1980s, we always lagged in numbers and would rely heavily on ATGMs and tactical aircraft.
East Germany NVA Troops and size are less than Bundeswehr on reality. but once they backed up by Soviet army and other Warsaw pact forces that already tell different. while moment Bundeswehr will back up by Other NATO members and US Forces
@@FN_FAL_4_ever West Germans had 3000 tanks at the end of the Cold War. The Bundeswehr was very formidable. What’s not generally accounted for in this era is that most Warsaw Pact countries were not near peer allie’s of the Soviets. There was division between the countries with various levels of competency. Moscow didn’t trust ma y of them to be reliable military forces. Even the East Germans were distrusted by the Kremlin. The Soviets were themselves a formidable force. But then the US had about 200,000 men in Germany alone. And a sizable armor force there. In West Germany were also British and Belgian military forces.
You Tube Number 1. It was a fucking joke. Number 2. You are a great keyboard warrior. Number 3. If you don't respect the troops and respect our country get the fuck out.
My good sir I highly don't you have any skills fighting with a random person you don't know on the internet. I am not a hypocrite because I know I have no skills. Plus I never said I agree with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq but do you think there was people like you in ww2? When thousands of bombs where dropped on while cities by the U.S. How about we stop arguing and we stay calm and keep going along.
WP bounces off steel. You're thinking of WCDMs like the CBU-97 or CBU-105. Back in the day, it was dumb cluster like CBU-87, dropped in strings at low-medium altitude, say 3000 ft, to permit correct bomblet spread. The danger was always SA-7 and SA-6. If you did not catch the enemy before they had deployed to line formation, you often had to climb from ingress altitude to reposition for that one crucial pass. Meanwhile, the sky would be filled with mutiple batteries' worth of anti-air artillery fire, and SAM, while air superiority was not assured. Meanwhile, Soviet frontal aviation would face minimal threats from NATO ground based anti-aircraft weapons. The only three weapons at the divisonal level available were Hawk, M167 VADS and Stinger, or Chapparal. Hawk was a good system, but deployed in too few numbers and frequently did not follow the advance force. VADS did not receive a radar system until very late, and in any event, the radar could not overcome ground clutter, and had a slow automatic engagement time, that could not deal with fast jets, or pop-up helicopters. The West did not truly plan to fight, but merely threatened to fight. Westerm militaries were motivated chiefly by their political and industrial function, and many weapons systems developed to fulfil roles were not integrated into large scale conops as effectively as the Soviets', until the Persian Gulf War. The Soviets had great technology disadvantages, however, on basis of their operational organisation and emphasis on units independently operating according to drill and plan, would have won most opening engagements with NATO forces. The only hope for NATO victory was some collapse on the Soviet side, the employment of tactical nuclear weapons, (à la Reagan), or a first-strike, which was likely to escalate or fail to achieve political objectives the long run. All of these were likely outcomes, which tells us why the Soviets were deterred eventually lost - they were unable to keep up the pace of military organisation in peacetime, as the west advanced economically. We know who made the right decision, but we also know who would have won.
2:24 damn soviets are jamming out training video!
I want to eat jelly now
Had to find my "rabbit ears"!
They were that serious.
@@M8143K Funnily enough I just ate jelly
Damn commies!
This is exactly why the US Army developed the AH-64.
Yes, and the Abrams, and why we also had hundreds of thousands of TOW and Dragon ATGMs.
The formations of RC models look cute.
Sure didnt stand up well
Lol yes, I wonder how they're propelled either by strings or by magnets moving underneath? That must have been a lot of fun to design and set up
4:02 "the opposing force will attempt to destroy our electronic nets in the first minutes of battle."
"Emitters which cannot be destroyed by suprressive fires will be subjected to jamming with an intensity never before encountered in battle."
Early 80's goodness
I was USAF in the 80s. We fought that war every ORI and practice ORI. We, NATO, lost every ORI, and went hot. It was disheartening sometimes to see the authorities didn't figure it would end any other way. However looking at these animations it would take a large tactical nuke to stop each battalion. We play launched everything we had with 2 or 3 each. What a mess.
NATO Won't fool enough to put warhead. only red tide want that first.
I want to say that is so cool, but I can’t imagine that burden weighing on you. At least you were front and center in history.
Same-same with me, only I was stationed at Offutt AFB, SAC headquarters. I was in POL, refueling Looking Glass and NEACP E-4B's.
Ironically I remember training against this, but 40 years later the current Russian commanders have evidently never seen this. I've not seen videos demonstrating any massed fires or tanks and zero use of obscurants to hide from drones.
They simply forgot their own doctrine.
@@Matt-h8x4uwell, the Russian race has undergone tremendous corruption and depletion of morale through alcoholism and genetic contamination by pollution
The music on this is excellent
What's name of this music?pls.
@@canthide2153 there are several pieces. the song at the very beginning is prokofiev's "battle on the ice". there is also the sacrificial dance from stravinsky's "rite of spring" around 12:08.
and at 7:00 it's a part from Igor Stravinsky's: Le Sacre du Printemps
i wish Playmobil did a line of 80s cold war themed toys. why not!!
I would definitely hate defending against a soviet column formation.The only thing you could do is slow them down but eventually you will be overrun.
i surely hate to become stinky soviet forces to attacking NATO Defender.
This is one reason the A-10 was developed
Yes, various Soviet Shoraad systems were developed as to saturate battlefield with AA
Gotta love the use of Battle on the Ice from Alexander Nevsky in the soundtrack.
A model attack!
I see what you did there. High five lol. Yes models
I served in the U.S. Army in Germany for 6 years in the 1970's. I served in Cavalry and Armor and patrolled the West Germen border with East Germany and Czechoslovakia. I was also my unit's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare NCO. At the collapse of the Soviet Union much of the Soviet tanks, armor and equipment in the Warsaw Pact countries fell into the hands of the West. Intelligence experts from Nato and the U.S. were shocked at the inferiority of this equipment. The Soviet equipment was so crude and badly engineered that operating it was a challenge to the average serviceman to use effectively. The NATO forces were armed with the most advanced military equipment currently available and technologically advanced NBC warfare equipment. A fact often overlooked was the ability to fight in hours of darkness. I served in 1st Battalion, 35th Armor, 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division (7th Corp). When I departed that unit in December 1979 the entire Brigade had been equipped with 3rd generation night vision goggles (including an entire battalion of mechanized infantry} and had the ability to operate in total darkness unlike the Warsaw Pact which had no such ability. The entire U.S. Army in Europe was similarly equipped at a great advantage. 7th Corp was the unit that engaged the Iraqi Army in the now famous western sweep in the Iraqi war and my Brigade did not lose a single armored vehicle in the entire engagement. The Iraqi army at the time was completely equipped with Soviet armor and artillery and they were completely annihilated. It is no surprise to me that the Russian army is having such a hard time defeating the Ukrainian army. The Warsaw Pact should thank its lucky stars they did not challenge NATO as they would have been handed their asses on silver platters and defeated handily.
I remember watching these films on Squad Leader's Time on Thursdays.
Commanders call at beer-thirty on a Friday.
freeze at 1:04 or 1:05, i count at least 13 soviet helicopters.
reply here. if this reminds anyone of the chapter of the air assault in Ralph Peter's Red Army by the character Gordunov, p153
"As the helicopters carrying the air assault battalion passed over- ( head soldier and citizen looked up in astonishment, shocked
by this new dimension of trouble. Some of the more disciplined soldiers along the road opened fire at the waves
of aircraft, but the small-arms fire had no effect beyond exciting the pilots. The aircraft returned the fire, nervous pilots devastating the mixed traffic with bursts from their Gatlings....
Olive-painted transport trucks and fine, brightly colored A German automobiles exploded into wild gasoline fires. r Drivers turned into fields or steered desperately over embankments. Others smashed into one another. Gordunov's rain-drenched face never changed expression."
Picked it up and dropped it! Hes writing make him appear as a tiny, petty, cucky, civicy, overly emotional, make believe, chad hating beta honorary jew gay boy! :-/ That's NOT OK! Still, if someone rewrites the book with less of the gay feels stuff.. its gonna be a great reading (Y)
Dany Varna lol
Yes, that book is gold. Very well written.
@@danyvarna5094 i can understand - he did a very deep dive into the minds of his characters, much more than tom clancy, and you wonder if Peters had an ax to grind , and that definitely put people off. every other facet of the book is perfect
11:35 soviet regiment can close 1km in 5-6 minutes. 12000 rounds per hour per sector - 540 tons of explosives!
Ah, the good old days.
And now Russia is the second strongest army in Russia
"soldiers.... don't give yourselves to these men!!! machine men with machine minds and machine hearts!!!! you are not machines you are men...you have the love of humanity in your hearts.-Charles chaplain.
Very good soundtrack
yeah i like the background buzzing BZZZZZGGHHZHHZZZZHZHZHZHZHZ
*Derek Zoolander Voice*
"What is this? AN ARMY FOR ANTS!?"
Great upload thank you!!! were the T62 models being pulled along on a cable? great visualization of a soviet armor regiment
Ukrainian tractors
Somebody adjust the tracking.
M-60 Pattons? M-113 armored vehicles? G-yaads, I feel old!
You have uploaded videos on 2 out of 3 of the offensive tactics used by red army, meeting engagement and breathrough. Is there a video on pursuit? can you upload it?
I may have the video, but I need to double check. Thanks for commenting!
thanks for these videos. Rescued before they are lost to history forever. Great historical duty you have done >=-)
US Forces respond to pursuit employed by combined arms force with non-conventional tactics. A brief for pursuit scenario is not necessary.
@@danieldefilippo9355 Just say that's when the nukes fly. Though I think they'd be flying at the masses of WP armour long before they could reach a NATO country's border. This is why the US and NATO would never agree to no first use of nukes.
Socially Distant Thanks for picking up on that
Try the tracking buttons.
Pact doctrine makes WH40K look like amateur night.
Very interesting, thank you for uploading
You must clean this tape
A-10 pilots watching this will perk up at about 5 minutes in.
We definitely would have lost Europe if things went hot.
Taylor C The NVA would have completely steamrolled over the Bundeswehr. The only hope would have been quickly dispatched reforger units.
@@jackmckibben2623 What makes the NVA better than the Bundeswehr? I imagined them turning against the Communist and saying get out of my country.
@@taylorc2542 from the 1950s until the fall of the Berlin Wall, the East Germans were highly devoted to the Socialist regime in power, highly motivated, and well equipped in greater numbers than the Bundeswehr. You have to remember that the West Germans were only starting to rebuild their army in 1959, they had to rebuild from the bottom up. We Americans were woefully under equipped and until the Abrams and Bradley arrived in Europe in the 1980s, we always lagged in numbers and would rely heavily on ATGMs and tactical aircraft.
East Germany NVA Troops and size are less than Bundeswehr on reality. but once they backed up by Soviet army and other Warsaw pact forces that already tell different. while moment Bundeswehr will back up by Other NATO members and US Forces
@@FN_FAL_4_ever West Germans had 3000 tanks at the end of the Cold War. The Bundeswehr was very formidable. What’s not generally accounted for in this era is that most Warsaw Pact countries were not near peer allie’s of the Soviets. There was division between the countries with various levels of competency. Moscow didn’t trust ma y of them to be reliable military forces. Even the East Germans were distrusted by the Kremlin.
The Soviets were themselves a formidable force. But then the US had about 200,000 men in Germany alone. And a sizable armor force there. In West Germany were also British and Belgian military forces.
62 tanks...damn imagine that
Whilst our countries focussed on these threats our countries faced much worse social problems which crippled us from within. Thanks for upload, liked.
@2:21+ I’m tripping balls!
Tracking...tracking ! Press VCR button uselessly
30p
Hurray to the Soviet army!
and all of them were dead.
back in nam
first!
Wow congrats! I have never been first and have been trying for years......... I work at McDonald's and love the anime Bleach
You Tube Number 1. It was a fucking joke. Number 2. You are a great keyboard warrior. Number 3. If you don't respect the troops and respect our country get the fuck out.
Like I said. You are a great keyboard warrior. How about you take your complants to someone who care my good sir.
My good sir I highly don't you have any skills fighting with a random person you don't know on the internet. I am not a hypocrite because I know I have no skills. Plus I never said I agree with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq but do you think there was people like you in ww2? When thousands of bombs where dropped on while cities by the U.S. How about we stop arguing and we stay calm and keep going along.
+You Tube Please stop friend I am done
🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟😀
I say we take some F-35's and White Phospherus the whole effing column. It's the only way to be sure.
William J Greklek III Perhaps today, but at the time this clip was made the F-117 was the stealth aircraft of choice
WP wont do any thing to a armored force.
WP bounces off steel.
You're thinking of WCDMs like the CBU-97 or CBU-105. Back in the day, it was dumb cluster like CBU-87, dropped in strings at low-medium altitude, say 3000 ft, to permit correct bomblet spread.
The danger was always SA-7 and SA-6. If you did not catch the enemy before they had deployed to line formation, you often had to climb from ingress altitude to reposition for that one crucial pass. Meanwhile, the sky would be filled with mutiple batteries' worth of anti-air artillery fire, and SAM, while air superiority was not assured.
Meanwhile, Soviet frontal aviation would face minimal threats from NATO ground based anti-aircraft weapons. The only three weapons at the divisonal level available were Hawk, M167 VADS and Stinger, or Chapparal. Hawk was a good system, but deployed in too few numbers and frequently did not follow the advance force. VADS did not receive a radar system until very late, and in any event, the radar could not overcome ground clutter, and had a slow automatic engagement time, that could not deal with fast jets, or pop-up helicopters.
The West did not truly plan to fight, but merely threatened to fight. Westerm militaries were motivated chiefly by their political and industrial function, and many weapons systems developed to fulfil roles were not integrated into large scale conops as effectively as the Soviets', until the Persian Gulf War. The Soviets had great technology disadvantages, however, on basis of their operational organisation and emphasis on units independently operating according to drill and plan, would have won most opening engagements with NATO forces.
The only hope for NATO victory was some collapse on the Soviet side, the employment of tactical nuclear weapons, (à la Reagan), or a first-strike, which was likely to escalate or fail to achieve political objectives the long run. All of these were likely outcomes, which tells us why the Soviets were deterred eventually lost - they were unable to keep up the pace of military organisation in peacetime, as the west advanced economically.
We know who made the right decision, but we also know who would have won.
Aaron is right Nato was very lacking in ground based Air Defenses. They were also outnumbered in Fighter Aircraft pretty badly.
Fuckin A.
You must clean this tape