How the Soviets Fight: Capabilities of Soviet Helicopters || Vintage US Army Video
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ASP Presents: How the Soviets Fight, Capabilities of Soviet Helicopters
This is an US Army descriptive and informative video of the different types of Soviet helicopters that US and NATO Forces might have faced during the Cold War.
The Soviet Helicopters consist of Mi-2 Hoplite, Mi-6 Hook, Mi-26 Halo, Mi-8 Hip, Mi-17 Hip H, Mi-24 Hind, and Mi-28 Havoc. The Soviets expect a lot from their helicopters and their helicopters are designed for multiple missions.
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Hind is still the best looking and most scary attack helo till date
Ever heard of havoc?
Scariest one is the one you don’t notice in time.
The Mi-24 is a freaking beast.
@Randy Reneau I'm from the United States, and old enough to remember the Berlin wall being being broken down and the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union. We didn't have air raid drills where we hid under our desks after that.
I know the era this video is from.
Randy Reneau ok...
Hind is scary looking helicopter.
MsLampalampa the only helicopter bad guys should want
Look at the Ka-52 Alligator
Aligator kind of looks like toy to me, hind is way more scary looking
not according to gta online. as much as i like the explosive machine gun it takes 12 pistol pops anywhere on the helicopter and it smokes and engine dies in 4 minutes after shutting on and off for a few seconds (even if you shoot the hind through the windows without touching the main helicopter)
The Afghani Mujahideen called it the "Devils Chariot"
Back in the days when Americans had no information on mi-28 design lol
You should’ve seen the Soviet concept of what the f117 looked liked in the mid 80s. They literally put wings on a diamond and called it a day. I mean they weren’t far from the truth.
@@manofcultura Do you have a link to an image or video? I would love to see that. lol
@@manofcultura in reality they put wings on a romb
indyjons321 no images or links. I remember this from an early Janes magazine article on how the soviets reacted to desert storm and the effectiveness of the F117. Basically the comment was along the lines of we know how they do it and we have ways to defeat it etc etc, stating the fact that the basis of the shape of the aircraft was postulated by a soviet physicist. From here I can only guess at what place holder silhouette drawings they used in the mid 80s. LoL
Rana Ali Akhtar Alam Khan MI-28 was in service, but wasn’t deployed in the Afghanistan war.
It’s ok, they can be downed by a bow and arrow, Rambo did it
Don't forget, explosive tips...
@The Outlaw Torn The communist government of Afghanistan which the US was trying to overthrow, had requested help from the USSR twenty (20) times, in order to fight the mujaheddin.
The USSR did see at the time, that if the taliban had it their way, Afghanistan would become a terrorist heaven. Exactly as it happened. Still, it was only after the murder of Nur Muhammad Taraki by the CIA co-operatives Hafizullah Amin and Babrak Karmal, that the USSR decided to intervene.
However, the US did not care about terrorism, since giving the USSR a big headache right next to its borders, was exactly the intention. So the US aimed specifically at overthrowing the legitimate government of the country and kept arming the "moderate rebels" (The US always works with "moderate rebels"):
2.bp.blogspot.com/--8Fc9WI0VOA/VBuPHxGbISI/AAAAAAAABDo/8GfAA5xyITg/s1600/taliban-reagan.jpg
Here is an article of a 100% Western media, acknowledging in effect how the country was before the US planted the taliban regime:
www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3404803/Life-Taliban-Fascinating-photographs-idyllic-Afghanistan-1960s-residents-free-enjoy-outdoor-picnics-colourful-markets.html
As you can see, it was a perfectly legitimate and normal Asian country.
The length to which the US went to arm the "moderate rebels" and the huge volumes of weaponry provided to them is proven by the fact that the taliban still fight the US for so many years after the US itself invaded Afghanistan in 2001, and still down US helicopters to this day.
@Trey Stephens or red dead online. players will use it on you to cheap KO you before you can do anything
They used a fake Russian helicopter for Rambo.
@@Ekztabar Same thing in TOP GUN they said that they were fighting against MIG 29, in fact they were F-5 Tiger, totally agree with you
"A Hind-D?!?!? What's a Russian gunship doing here?"
Dunkey: Say hello, to SHADOW JESUS fo' me!
Shadow Moses island, the Patriots needed real world data on nuclear mobile attack gear Rex
Hahaha that game is still amazing. One of my all time favorites!
"I don't know, but it looks like our little diversion got their attention"
SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that is the kind of helo support I can get be-Hind
Lol!
@@rexluther9721 Come now don't cause Havok.
5:30 - wow i never knew helicopters could lay anti-tank mine by a rear door chute
Konrad Ford the ifamous barrel bombs , yeah. crazy
Got to hand it to the Syrian Govt for making due with what they have. They even went so far as to take near out of commissioned mig 21s full of armed missiles and used them as improvised explosives as unmanned missiles!
Actually there were two Mi-8 variants dedicated into mine laying roles. Mi-8AD and Mi-8AV. Those could be also with minimal inteventions be placed on any Mi-8 helicopter tho.
Americans for an example used M139 Volcano on their helicopters too.
It looks like an upside-down Pez dispenser.
I never knew helicopters dropped bombs.
Great video. At 1:39 check out the Artists Concept drawing of what we thought the Mi-28 Havoc would look like. It looks very close to the Apache for the time. I still have all the respect in the world for the Hind. That helicopter terrifies me.
Remind me to rewind this after its over...i don't want blockbuster charging me another .75 cents for the rewind fees.
I love seeing the artists concept of the havoc and seeing how it is today... I love Russian engineering
It looks like a fucking Apache versus a Havoc. Lmao 😆
Russian engineering is mostly trash.
I love the Hind gunships, no thanks to 80s ridiculous anti-Soviet action movies.
helicopter gunship probably isn't as powerful as it was made out to be in the wake of its performance in gulf war, which was a war fought under a combination of factors not likely to replicate itself in later conflicts. Hind got slaughtered by stinger in Afghanistan while even today you hear the US army bitching about airforce's plan to ditch the A10: proliferation of anti-air missiles just make gunship too vulnerable in all but the biggest combined offensives against equal opponent where higher tolerance for casualty and more cover from other platforms might enable it to play its offensive role.
It has its achelies heel,
@@eatfastnoodle exactly and it had its weak points,
@@eatfastnoodle Ditch the A-10, are they nuts?!?
I watched those movies and still loved the Hind as well. Ah, if the USSR had a booming movie industry it would have been just as bad if not worse.
Wow the Mi-6 was still in service...and the MI-28 wasn't there yet!
Now I know how to fight the soviets.
Soviets 1970s: ok America’s weakness in Vietnam was lightly armored helicopters, so we will make ours large, armored and fast.
USA 1980s: what do we do with this portable SAM battery?
That's pretty much just an example of the constant evolution of military technology and tactics in response to one another.
@@LordGrandKaiser yea and then they used flares and all of these became useless
Soviets had Strella-2 and Igla-1 portable SAM batteries. Strella-2s put Cobras in the trashcan at end of the vietnam war. Also Mi-24 losses were light in the afghan war.The earlier Stingers had such light warheads, it only damaged the aircraft. Many put back into service.
@@vindicare9636 yeah I remember reading that stinger losses were greatly over exaggerated in Afghanistan. They lost a few choppers when the stingers first appeared but they quickly adapted and changed tactics, plus like you say, most were still flyable after taking a bit from those early stingers.
Imagine if Russia did this to US in Afghanistan!
Supplying Afghans with Igla system and other shit! Lots of body bags!
I like how the 'artist's depiction' of the MI-28 was just a slightly modified dinky little Cobra. If only they'd known...
It looks like a crappy prototype Apache.
everyone
everyone
MI-28 is literally flying tank, armed with bmp-2 37 mm cannon in turret and capable of withstanding serious ground fire 12.5-12.7 and even 14.5, 25 mm cannons can’t defeat his armor.
Can you tell the same about Apache ?
@@bastionaudio The artist's drawing, you dumbass.
@@bastionaudio No aircraft is a flying tank. Youl never be able to put on enough armor to make it immune from ground fire. You’re exaggerating how protected these machines are. The hind, with all its armor, has a completely un armored rudder and tail.
Nothing can be armored as much as you think and still fly.
By God, the Hind looks threatening. No wonder the NATO tankers called it 'bogeyman'. Imagine it coming your way, firing its cannon and launching its AT-6 missiles. The NBC filtered, depressurized interior is a cool thing, too.
I am from Poland and I saw many Mi-24D and Mi-24W on air shows. When these machines fly towards you you feel strange emotion..something like fear.. just because of the Looks. You know these ma hines are piloted by your countrymen but still you feel fear.
@Captain Germany This would be true for any helicopter. But also depends on countermeasures, like the footage of Mi-24s in Syria showed, firing constantly flares premptively over enemy territory while operating.
What happens without countermeasures shows this Turkish US-"Supercobra" downed by a Russian Igla AA missile by Kurds:
th-cam.com/video/yDNKFHP4nbE/w-d-xo.html
@Captain Germany there were several incidents of Hinds surviving Stinger impacts in Afghanistan.
Faith defeated this threath in afghanistan.
You can definitely tell the sound was over-dubbed: A Hip helicopter does sound like a UH-1 ;-)
Yeah right
Mi-26 is a beast!
Huge
This Video Is Awesome!
Good information...
Don't have too know about the Hind-D. A while back in the year of 2000, the Army National Guard did a 3 week tour in Ukraine and train with the Ukrainian Soldiers. I actually got a chance to see BRDM, BMP-2, and Hind-Ds. The Hind-Ds are really flying tanks and able to transport troops. But if maintenance is not perform properly, they can be a handful.
what did american military specialists do near russian borders in ukraine?
nothing
"Fire at it with everything you've got" That's how superior to everything else it is xD
Mutual of Omaha's How The Soviets Fight...
7:11 I have something in common with the Hind
@@DrTiggy666 ☠️☠️☠️
Video renamed “Things to shoot your stinger missile at.” In 1981.
Lol
But imagine that they had flares for days, especially after Afghanistan and that stinger isn't known for its flare rejectiom
@mind fornication show me your source pls.
@mind fornication np
I don't know the details could u tell me more pls?
Nice video you got here mate! Some of their helicopters are also good looking :D +1 this video, I hope you have more about other Soviet military videos that you might have :)
But before all, the ending music of this video, what is its name? I've heard the same music from an online video game called Navy Field. Here is it if you wanna know : Navyfield Music: login menu . Not only that, I've heard the same music at documentary about world navy history and few other documentary about military too. So I'm kinda wondered, might be the music was part of naval tradition? Or might be just a coincidence...
Anyway, keep up the good work!
I like the fact that they used metric system back then.
Denis Polyakov The US military uses metric, not its civilian culture.
@@rogermcbadlad2812 We use both systems interchangeably. It's not a big deal.
You really had to hand it to the Soviets for their helicopter designs.
1:39 Oh my the troops would have been in for a shock if that's what they believed the Mi-28 looked like.
Looks like Ritchie Cunningham by comparison to the real one.
It’s Apache!
(sees the US AH-64 apache)
(opens up with all available firearms at it)
Can anyone name the song that gets played at the end? Its more of a jingle but it was on the Iron sheikh abomination mixtape and i'd like to know.
Those pixels in sequence were awesome.
Do you prefer to be rescued from hostile area by heavily armored and fully armed Mi-24 or by paperbag UH60A with machineguns (transport version)?
Same era, about the same personel carrying capability.
Nah, first helicopter to use missiles was Mi-24...
And funny thing - almost the whole footage is from Czechoslovakia
"slavestate" yea... totally... Aren't you mistaking it with Germany? ))
"occupied"
Sure. Learn the history.
"Tried to quit"
No, it's called "revolution".
As for occupation, there was no Soviet contingent in Czechoslovakia until 1968, which was done for reasons unknown, all reasons you are going to find on the internet are just pure estimations and guesses.
LMAO, it would be the same as saying that western Europe was occupied by USA. Let's be real.
19Koty96 I think *you* should learn the history. Almost all of Eastern Europe was annexed by the Soviet Union after the second world war. They installed their own governments, occupied the countries with troops and imprisoned and/or murdered all political opposition. There's no arguing, we live in the information age, and it's all out there. There's no excuse for ignorance
DUDE, I LIVE HERE.
Your information is flawed.
Yes, there was heavy influence, but overall, your informaiton is flawed.
Yes, there was military presence of Soviet Union in our countries. Not an "occupation" - not any more than current USA forces in NATO countries. Unless we are talking about surpressing uprisings in Berlin and Hungary - as well as 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia - note - before 1968 there was *no military presence* in here. While you all state that it was since 1945. Also - there is no real information about the reason for 1968 invasion, so you cannot use that as an argument.
Also, learn the meaning of the word "annex".
Soviets, at least here, never had *direct* influence in this country. You might want to revise that.
No, I am not comparing "one of the most tyrannical terror regimes". I am comparing the "military presence". You might want to learn to read.
To conclude, stop being ignorant and believing in flawed stereotypes. Eastern bloc countries were not "slave countries". Yes, there was heavy influence. But not slave-ship.
" Almost all of Eastern Europe was annexed by the Soviet Union after the second world war"
LOL WHAT? God, the american ignorance truly amaze me sometimes. So by that logic America annexed western Europe after WW2 too. Oh, wait, the Warriors of Freedom don't do that, right?
This video is so early 80s
Starting 2020 with something random 😏
It's the Mi-24 Hind! Its big, its armored, its armed to the teeth, it can carry troops and lay waste to Afghan Villages with ease! Be warned!
For some reason the Afghans got FIM-92 Stingers from someone. After that the mujahideens started winning.
@@laurilaakso30 hahahahaha🤣🤣🤣
@@laurilaakso30 Then they turned around and used it on the people who gave the rockets to them in the first place it’s insane
A giant stands on the shoulders of those who came before him and builds greater pillars with those which others can stand on, the true test and measure of a giant.
Basically, flying IFV
The Hind D. Can hold cargo or troops. And also an attack helo
So were the "Red Dawn" helos mockups or actual Soviet birds acquired from allies etc . ?
Mock ups made from pumas
Those Hinds from Red Dawn were scary.
Impresive
As a young Infantry Soldier in 1983, the Hind-D was a threat to respect, that beast can take some punishment as well as deliver troops or heavy cargo.
Anyone else got this recommended?
Да (Yes)
Instruction video of how to play a piano or Soviet military. In the 70-80s they all had the same style. It should also be rolled in to the room on a video rack for correct measure.
Now we have been fighting guys in flip flops with no air power and maybe a few tanks cobbled together
When I see the hind I always think of star wars
Hind ! 1000 meters ! brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt !!!!!
Damn 1 is down!
Oh no ! 2 is down !
3 is down !
4 is down !
5 report status !
6 report status !
7 is down !
8 is down !
damn 9 is down !
10 report status !
damn 11 is down !
12 is down !
Operation flashpoint
Oh no 28 of our a10 our downed by tunguskas 56 of our helis and 134 tanks by russians they know that all of our information about our army is propaganda
16:24 the BGM ... haha
Any idea on whos the narrator ?
What year is this from?
Looks to be from I would say 1983 judging by the film quality.
Know what year this is from? Guessing early-mid 80s
That sounds about right.
1977
What's more dangerous than an Mi-24? An Mi-24 manned by Soviet pilots!
A stinger used by farmers. Checkmate B)
@@madlad2819 That would scare an Mi-24 pilot, if I were inside a tank a Stinger would do nothing to scare me :/
How did the capitalist get the footage? Did they hired the soviets?
"Hey Congress! Look! We need assets and resources to deal with this soviet threat. No, it's not for destabilizing the middle east! Look! They got some scary halos"
It would explain the narrator's choice of words.
probably spies implanted in the ussr or footage obtained by reconnaissance by us special forces or a traitor or defector among ussr that leaked footage to the west all are likely scenarios.
They are from soviet training propaganda video
Good old days of the USSR
American in the 60s knew kilometres,
What's a kilometer?
@@alanhowitzer 2.2 miles just like a kilogram is 2.2 lbs
1 mile is 1609m
Man they undersold the hind. Next to an apache the best helo.
*le hip takes off*
Stinger missiles: food, glorious food!
Well mi28 can carry 2 well armed troops or 3 unarmed soldiers
Hind super
There may be many Mi-24 Hind helicopters..but you only need one John Rambo.
Nice 4K 60 FPS DTS 7.1 surround sound!
Everybody Mullah... er... I mean gansta.. until the Comrade Hind shows up.
Think god you didn't face off with our Soviet Union
kgb85MD thank god you did not face off with the U.S.
Could you imagine showing this to say, Napoleon Bonaparte?
He'd be like: "Que c'est un Soviet? Je ne parlez Anglais."
Any american troops in specific this film was made for? Like air crews? Or just everyone in general?
Supes Me I was a 13B10 cannon crewman 85-87. They used to push identification of NATO vs. Warsaw pact so you didn't shoot at your guys and so you knew where to aim at em. Tanks to. Had cards they would question you on while in the field from time to time. Also in Basic they'd have those cards in the chow line. If you didn't know you had to go to the back of the line.
*WOLVERINES* !!!!!!
Afghanistan grave yard of Soviet helicopters
Could've been american as well.
Neither USA nor USSR got nothing . Even Afghan got nothing. Only pakisthan got frrebies to their mercenaries.
Afghanistan is a tough place to fly helicopters because it is "hot, high & dusty", the three things that suck the lifting capacity out of a chopper. During the Soviet invasion, the Hind had such trouble with the environment it couldn't hover while carrying weapons or infantry, and it needed a running start & rolling landing to safely operate. This meant it had to attack ground targets like a plane--in a big long bombing run--and couldn't dodge ground fire or missiles worth a damn while doing so.
I am absolutely not suggesting the Huey or the Cobra (or even the Apache) would have done much better with 70's technology. Even today the US struggles with their helicopters in Afghanistan. But you are 100% correct: once Stinger missiles came into theatre, the Hind became a flying coffin and the pilots were angry, demoralized and ineffective.
@@gastonbell108 Yeah, it's kind of non-intuitive, speaking as someone who's never dealt with a similar situation personally or professionally. The thin air at high altitudes causes loss of power and control for aircraft and it affects rotary-wing craft performance first and most accutely. It's why people die on Mt. Everest even today, because it's not a simple operation to just send a helicopter to pick them up.
Makes perfect sense when you think about it though. You can think of it as the difference between swimming in water, or trying to swim in the air.
Water gives you something to bite into and push back against, while the air doesn't.
Well, it does, but it's so thin you'd need to move your arms at thousands of rpm to feel the traction.
If you straped a jet engine or a propeller to your ass, or perhaps consumed an appropriate quantity of taco-bell, you could produce thrust like a fixed wing aircraft and operate more effectively as an aircraft, at the expense of being able to tread water, aka hover.
@@gastonbell108 And not US companies are scamming the Afghan government by selling them MD-6 helos that are completely unfit to serve in Afghanistan. They can barely take of without any load at higher altitudes. Gib Cobra / Viper or G.T.F.O.
На что сняли?
Sovi-yet
Lot of ČSLA helicopters :-)
Czeck?
@@alanhowitzer still Czechoslovak :-D
@@saderuscz The Czech Republic is a nice place.
Their only weakness are sober pilots.
People dislike it saying talking about stingers this and that but I’m sorry but in a full large scale war with the Soviet Union 1970-80 the whole combination of combined arms the Soviet Union could wield would of been terrifying everyone knows that if the soviets invaded in Europe west Germany would of fell.
Azrakul Returns I said would off twice and there is nothing wrong with using it in the context I did.
14:52 - what the hell is happening to this Helicopter..😅😅
HAHAHAHAHA
2x 1500 Horse power.......well it was 2200 :)
back in the days when the Soviet had superior air and land power, aircrafts and tanks to the US
I’d still rather have an ah64 this thing looks nasty and it is .. but it’s not on the level of the Apache
Ok..how did us army get a hold of this video?
Someone in an eastern block country sold it for good money to CIA agents.
13:29
1:38 HAH So back then they totally thought the mi-28 havoc would look jut like the US Apache attack helicopter, I wonder if the apache was a response to the Hind? I guess this is what they thought before it was known that the mi-28 Havoc would look more or less like the Hind with upgraded angular cockpit instead of the bubble canopy,
that's what I was going to type but I do agree
What the... Mi-28 shares almost nothing whatsoever with Mi-24... actually it looks far more like the drawing rather than Mi-24... Are you sure you know what Mi-28 looks like?
The Hind and Mi-28 do not look alike at all other than the pilot sitting above and behind the gunner, which was borrowed from the AH-1 Cobra. The Hind has a capacity of troop carrying, which was almost never used, especially in Afghanistan, where the high altitude meant that the helicopter couldn't produce max power.
From which year is this?
late 70s or early 80s
before soviet union invaded afganistan
Venom Snake the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan started in 1979. So if your information is correct than should this video be from the 1970s.
@@loopdelooperlouis5541 yeah it look likes that
@@loopdelooperlouis5541 i didnt see any footage of the dessert or any mountain areas that looked like afganistan so it must before the invasion.
For comparison: here is the Soviet movie on helicopter combat - th-cam.com/video/zdH5kShvyYc/w-d-xo.html
I love Behind series but the Apache is so much more deadly and it's only 1/4 the size
For a war that never happened.
Fuerza Aerea Sandinista.
Ahhh, the helicopter that American stole with their helicopter lol
The Soviet helicopter threat was real, AND IT WENT AWAY!
Andrew Tubbiolo yea because today no Heli is safe
The Soviet threat never goes away. It just waits for the other side to get comfortable
And none of you have a combat patch. Good training though lol
Fighting fighting fighting need more fightingdot some people send blankets or water, just send your cash
OZNA!
The scary thing about the Mi24 hind, it had enough fire power to take out a tank column and any accompanying infantry, carry a squad of fully geared troops, enough armor to withstand heavy machine gun fire from even 12.7×108mm or 50 cals and even small auto cannons and able to fly over 320kmph , insane for 1970 technology. Most modern attack choppers cant do half of this reliably
It’s one of those Soviet era weapons that won’t disappear anytime soon.
no
Not a clue , Superior Russian Design.
Anyone know how the Chinese fight? We got a problem with them in Natuna islands
Вот это мощь
Soviet helicopters.... then showing 90%movie from Czechoslovakia :D
Well, they had soviet equipment
It was close enough to Germany, they could record them flying around over the border.
Us army ppl supposed to know how fast is 200km/h?
What's km/h?
India. Sport. Russia
Allway,s. Time.
Same thing brother, we can build something great together
They throw a lot of men at the enemy.
Each hind comes equipped with a vodka bottle holder.
425 km at 320 km/h? It sounds so not efficient!
Maybe not at 300
Tank size has nothing to do with efficiency.
@@JAnx01 ?? hes talking about the range of one of the transport helicopters
@Eric Sales tank? 320 km/h ?
The strongest army in the world. Glory to the Soviet Union.
The Afgans, Chechens, and Finnish would strongly disagree with that comment.
@@black10872 yeah the red army beaten the shit out of finland and the only reason they retreated from Afghanistan was because of social unrest. And look at Afghanistan now.
The red army didn't fight in chechnya, the Union already dissolved at that point.
@@elihentai8242 not according to the casualties.😂😂
Why do you glorify a dictatorical, tyrannical regime, in which people are mere peons, without freedom of expression and thinking?