For groups not in the uknown regions it wouldve been hard. If a star destroyer had been seen theNew Republic would freak out but a light cruiser? They would do something but they would not take it as seiously
In the unknown regions I think its OK to have them , but they are logistically not worth it. I would make either the Accimator or the Victory class my flagship and have arquitens supporting them
Ah it probably wasn't the case that they didn't know that something was happening out there, it probably was more the case that they didn't know exactly what was going on and didn't really care, cause lets be honest they were a bunch of extremist out in the sticks and the most probable line of thinking would probably lead you to think they were colonizing, fortifying, and building a fleet that realistically wouldn't have posed a threat to the republic's fleet and military
They didn't abandoned them...Many remainder fleets hyperspaced to the Unknown Regions. Other Remnants decided to use smaller fleets to prevent New Republic forces to take down or acquire Star Destroyers for their own fleet.
tl;dr, the appearance of a star destroyer would trigger a "Hunt the Bismarck" scenario. Even if they could man it, it would cause the New Republic to muster an entire fleet to take it down.
Most definitely ... Also many were lost in the remaining year of the Galactic Civil war and in the internal power struggles of the Imperial Remnates or quietly slipped into the unknown regions to become the First Order.
The seventh fleet wasn’t destroyed at the end of rebels, it was taken into hyperspace, likely where thrawn was taken, meaning he will probably still have it at his disposal, not to mention I would be surprised if he also happens to come back with a few chiss ships.
Im from the future and i can tell you yes he has the Chimera but its very damaged and messed up and he will prob have to abandon it because i doubt he has enough resources to fix it and even more i doubt he has enough men to manage it at its full potential he was barly managing the thing as it is in Ahsoka show
personally i think that Giddian is perilously operation a skeleton crew on a small ship with Thrawn still being alive and being active any large ships like ISD's would be retained under him where they could be used most effectively though id imagine Thrawn would have more droids or otherwise try and automate as much of the workings of an ISD as possible to help with the manpower shortage.
I guess they would use their Star Destroyers to defend the remaining planets under their control, because they are not able to supply them anymore when they are outside their planets.
Just about NOTHING in the canon sequels makes sense. This was one of the few that did. The 1st order could not have acquired the resources they did if the New Republic hadn't disarmed so quickly, and anyone who was at war knows you do not disarm while you still have an enemy, no matter how small or defeated that is just trying to overtake you. Luke, Leia, Han... I'm not going into. It's too heartbreaking. If Palpatine was alive or ruling by proxy at least, why did he let the Rebels win so much when he can still bring forces to bear? Ultimately, the Imperials abandoning Star Destroyers for more manageable, cheaper and less crew intensive designs as their fortunes turned was one of the few things that made sense.
If I remember correctly from the Aftermath trilogy, many Star Destroyers and a huge part of the navy was sent to the Unknown Regions for Darth Sidious' Contingency.
Yeah but the year after the battle of jakku alot of star destroyers were destroyed or taken by other imperial remnants either trying to be warlords or trying to start there own little empire
Jakku was what really marked the end for the empire. They lost loads of troops and equipment as well as a super star destroyer and many other vital ships. As well as that many other remnants had gathered there to join in so when they were defeated a big chunk of the remaining imperial resources were lost
The only way I can see the imperial remnant or imperial warlords having star destroyers is if the retreated to the unknown regions and Wildldspace away from the new republic and found some resources there like the first order.
I wonder if we’ll see more of Moff Gideon’s remnant in the coming seasons. I can’t imagine that it consists of a single ship, a few outposts, and a couple hundred soldiers and officers. No way a moff has survived this long with so little by way of resources. I imagine that the nature of his operation call for smaller fast ships most of the time and the few Star Destroyers he has are used for primarily defensive operations or only in the most dire situations.
Large, slow, and a waste of resources without proper infrastructure to support it. It was not a great ship to begin with, but the death of the Emperor it became obsolete.
Plus the territory the Empire controlled was largely reduced at the end of the war so there was no need to build these colossal Star Destroyers anywhere
Large, yes. Slow, actually not any slower then compared to other capitol scale star fairing vessels. waste of resources, not necessarily, the problem with the vessel is that it was in itself a lot of resources, during the days of the empire it was inefficient yes but the terrifying power it brought to bear wasnt wasteful, post imperial their use was....limited. protecting military instillations or used to attack other instillations it was perfect for the job.
@@double0bigby I have no idea how canon this is/was, but the old RPG mentioned that the Empire put a limit to the mass/thrust ratio on civillian ships, essentially ordering a speed limit so the best they could do was keep the distance to a Star Destroyer. With the TIE Fighters being much faster, it was difficult to impossple to escape a Star Destroyer. That led to problems as the Rebel Alliance had no qualms to boost their ship's engines or get older ships that haven't been modyfied to match the current regulations because they came from scrap yards. Smugglers often had to use bribery and forged papers anyway to operate, so they weren't affected much either.
It was a fantastic ship. The weaknesses in an awful bridge and shield generator positioning and barely any rear coverage for firepower are made up in sheer firepower when positioned correctly and a screening of fast fighters.
An undermanned ISD is in alphabet squadron part 2. It's turbolasers where all tied to one fire director so it couldn't engage more than one target and it's point defense was inactive because they didn't have the Gunners to man them. It ended up being a fair fight for an acclimamor to take on.
Plus after the New Republic assault of Kuat Drive Yards the Empire's main producer of their battleships they didn't have the resources or materials to build these kind of ships
Star Destroyers were abandoned for the same reason battleships became obsolete in real life. They're bottomless pits you dump time, money, people, and resources into.
No because if it were the case so would tanks and jets would be out to not to mention supercarriers. It was because of range a destroyer could spam missiles and out of range and destroy a battleship... Remember they were brought back and used effectively not more than 20 years ago to bombard beaches in the middle east at 100,000,00th of the cost of using tomahawks and scare the soviets with there armor surrounds by weaker destoriers. Today if we made new ones that used ramjet shells or Railguns then they could fight the modern threat of hypersonic missiles at a 100,000,00th of the cost to defend the outranged supercarriers.
@@TheAKgunner ...I come from Florida and we have something from that era called an Alligator or in Spanish, it is called The lizard. And like the alligator Battleships have a niche in the modern world unless you like to waste million clearing a beachhead when hundreds will do. Or what about hypersonic missiles? Would you prefer all surface ships go exint? What about transfering troops or scouting or humanitarian reasons unless you want marines to be submariners and get hazard pay as such.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Now you're just being overly dramatic. Surface ships can never go "extinct", as you say. Aircraft carrier are irreplacable in modern warfare. They have range even a battleship equipped with your vaunted railguns can't hope to match. Plus, only a fleet of surface ships can carry the raw tonnage to move an armored division.
Russia has a battleship sized ship still. Though it proves your point, because its an old soviet model that they mostly operate still in order to make people remember the Russian Navy is a thing that still exists.
Short Answer: Star Destroyers are like the Death Star in a way. They took up huge resources to maintain and produce, not to mention it was a symbol of the Empire too. These things were like the AT-ATs of the skies, meant for inspiring fear into enemies of the Empire.
Same as what happened in legends, most Imperial admirals and Moffs would never follow a Captain. Some would still be loyal to the imperial ruling council and Grand Vizier Pestage but most went off to establish their own small warlord territory or join up with the bigger warlord factions like the Warlord Zsinj, the Pentestar Allignment or Greater Maldrood. Until his time with Thrawn Pellaeon was a footnote in galactic events, and Pellaeon couldn't unifiy the Imperial remnant until he allied with Daala and killed the remaining warlords.
@@avenge2168 That's the point. There is no Daala in the Canon. Instead, there is Admiral Rae Sloan. So is it still possible to him to unify the Imperial remnant?
The thing is the light cruiser bring less attention and is easy to replace ( they were being produced during and after the clone wars) above that it makes more sense to give your big ships to a dedicated fleet such as thrawns fleet (if that’s where their going) and it would also never go on important stealth missions such as capturing a Jedi
A star destroyer may be a bit harder to find if they keep on the move, but ports for it are much easier to find. Like defeating an army in the desert, you don't need to face it head on, track down the watering holes and secure them so the enemy is too afraid to attack them. Eventually it'll get so worn down you can attack it for an easy kill. Same with a star destroyer, it's so massive and resource intensive the Republic could figure out ports that could feasibly accomodate such a ship, secure them, and starve out the destroyer. The longer it waits to strike the weaker it gets, and whenever it does strike the forces at that station can notify the Republic where they are and reinforcements can arrive to deliver the killing blow.
The First Order and Palpatine had the luxury of hiding out in the unknown regions, which is how the First Order managed to terraform a planet into a super weapon without drawing the wrath of the New Republic.
They also had the manpower to operate those ships. The Imperial Rements who stayed behind lacked the crew needed to operate a Imperial class star destroyer. The smaller ships based on the Clone wars era star distroyers required less manpower and were better armed.
The Conquer-class star destroyer was fitted with a Death Star laser canon being able too destroy entire moons/ decimate planets not destroying them but reacting havoc and destruction and yes it wouldn’t be wise for the Empire too pilot/ operate a Conquer-class star destroyer (considering how much resources/ crew they need too operate and would gather a lot of unwanted attention by not only The New Republic but by the multiple factions in the galaxy) it would be very intimidating against The New Republic fleet/ military though but would ultimately bring itself down it would need too hide in the outer rim and not be seen like the emperors super star destroyer which was huge while also having a Death Star laser canon.
Even considering the possibility of hiding out on a fresh ISD somewhere in deep space, you only have so long before you need to resupply and refuel. Though the idea of a lone, or even packs of Star Destroyers raiding New Republic space is kinda neat, chances are those days are long gone by the time of the Mandolorian TV show, if those days ever existed at all.
Imagine if Disney made it so that grand Admiral thrawn was behind the rise of the first order and the cloning of Palpatine. And used them as bait for the imperial remnant leaders who were against him.. and to send the galaxy into chaos. Only for thrawn to sweep in
The reason was that the Mandalorian was not about huge heroes, but relatively ordinary people. It wasn't appropriate to have an enemy in a Star Destroyer (moreover, taking a Star Destroyer would necessarily involve a larger group of characters helping Mando, maybe a small army). Moff Gideon doesn't *rate* a full Star Destroyer. He's a mid- ranking bureaucrat with secret police connections. In a backwater part of space. And, yes, the Empire is reduced to various remnants. Plus Disney want to sell new toys.
The remnants destroyers was pulled back to Bastion or other Imperial planets, and used smaller ships when operating in New Republic space to not draw to much attention to them self make sense. The imps was on withdrawal and was not in open war until Thrawn took charge of the navy.
It would be cool in future media if we see the new republic fleet go up against some of the imperial remnant fleet. Would love to see the NR Starhawk being the biggest ship for once instead of the empire always having the bigger ships.
I think if a ISD or a fleet of them were seen the new republic would send a strike group and blast them into dust to capture them or destroy them, its like a current US navy carrier battle group, its powerful and can kick anybody's ass with no trouble but is big and can't be hidden at all, a giant bullseye on a massive powerful but slow ship.
I agree with your point on star destroyer classes such as the imperial one but what the move don’t rly show is that there are plenty of intermediate size warships like the victory or procurator, these “poket star destroyers” would be the good balance of size, imposing presence, resource management etc, I understand not everyone would run around with them but a moff with a ongoing high priority scientific operation based on board would certainly be worth of one , hell if you rly want you can use the dreadnought cruisers which since the republic era have been highly automated, the arquintens is simply too weak in my opinion to be entrusted to carry out such a important operation and transport such important personal
Even before the fall of the Empire, I don't think Gideon would have commanded a Star Destroyer. He's an ISB agent, after all. He doesn't need a massive warship like that to do his job.
It’s very reminiscent of the German army using heavy and super heavy tanks in 1944, they had little to no fuel so majority of the time they abandoned them, not a lot of trained soldier who could use those more complicated vehicles, took to much resources to make 1 heavy tank like a King Tiger than a few Panzer 4s and with the allies having air superiority it was really easy to pick off a big slow moving target that had no way to protect itself from air attacks.
I think there is also mention written somewhere in Canon that all star destroyers stationed in the inner rim and core worlds surrendered or were destroyed.
What about the vastness of the unknown region? Isn't that how the Sith Empire massively rebuilt their strength? Could it be possible that only a small portion of the Imperial navy was at Jakku? The disappearance of Imperial assets across all of known space does not build the fleet at Jakku. The fleet at Jakku was not small but I find it difficult to believe the Empire was, in its entirety, there. I think the Empire is alive and waiting. The Grand Admiral needs only time.
ISDs require massive crews,cost a ton to maintain,requires more fuel,and are also massive targets for both rival Imperials&Republic forces. It would be better to replace with a few light cruisers or gozantis.
To be fair though there are like several classes of imperial ships in between a light cruiser and a star destroyer, such as a Victory Class frigate for one.
Likely they would be massive targets that would be destroyed. But on the other hand, it could have been scrapped to build smaller ships that had that star destroyer look. But being far smaller up close.
If the game 'Foxhole' taught me anything, Logistics wins wars. If you don't have the logistics, you can't run a tank. The problem is far bigger when scaled up to a Star Destroyer.
30,000 might be needed for a Super Star Destroyer, but I'm pretty sure the staple for a normal Star Destroyer is 5,000. Still an astronomical number really - even today we are making ships that require less crew to run. A ship from the future requiring even a 1,000 crewman should be considered quite unwieldy.
How to cut down costs on a Star destroyer: Cut down crew to 1/3rd You have 30thousand peeps on board, but they are likely in a three or four shift system. So if you cut that down to one or two groups that are simply always on standby you can certainly cut down a lot there. Now this obviously has the downside that many systems will be ignored whilst these men are sleeping, BUT in an emergency you can wake them up and have the ship at full combat readyness in 15 to 20 minutes (25% longer than usual) Cut down on ship security, you don't need 10000 soldiers on board, your crew already has basic combat training, so having enough security to keep any hangar and airlocks secure with a few in reserve should suffice. Next, automate many systems, yes, the initial cost will grow, but once done you can further cut down on crew, there is no reason why roughly ten thousand peeps should be required to run ~30 turrets, ~tractor beams, the engines, scanning, comms, repairs, tech, medical compartment etc. You can cut down in many areas letting you propably only need 2-4 thousand on duty crew to fully run the ship. Cutting down fuel is gonna be hard, best thing to do is to decide where you wanna fly, go to the speed you'd like to use and then shut off the engines. You'll keep your velocity, so there isn't too big a downside. Given all the crew cut downs, keep two anti-fighter screening ships around you at all time. So even if you are attacked you can delay fighters and are screened against them, or are protected until you can jump away. Yes, using smaller ships is certainly more sensible, but, use more of them, cut down on crew and security on each one and instead get more, as well as more variety, (many different ships will make it hard for the enemy to understand each one's role.) A single light cruiser with no Escort at all is quite stupid, go for two light cruisers and three or four screening ships as well as a carrier and you're good.
He should be lucky he was even able to get that ship. I recall in Spacedock's video covering that class of cruiser. The ship yard that built them had been destroyed. The Empire saw no reason to convert a ship yard to build more.
It would make sense for any rebel Imperial commanders to shift in using smaller command vessels to continue their campaign against The Rebellion..er, I mean, the New Republic. The Arquintens-class command cruiser is just one example and the Empire had thousands of smaller warships in the Imperial Navy. What about ships like the Vindicator-class cruiser? That class is basically a tiny Star Destroyer with even more firepower than an Arquitens command cruiser. Or if some fleet admiral or another former sector moff is lucky, what about Victory-class Star Destroyers or a even an aging Rendilli Stardrives Dreadnaught? Sure, they're bigger and despite being old Clone Wars era warships they could be modified with autonomous systems to help run the ship with a reduced crew size and given more extensive modifications like increased fuel tanks to keep these ships running past the original mileage. If breakaway Imperial commanders were any smarter and were not present with the disaster that is Jakku and not partake Operation:Cinder, they'd be smarter to just ditch the Imperial-class ISD and switch to smaller less crew intensive ships and add more automated systems. Also here's a big question: I thought moffs were civilian and were only sector administrators in the Empire. How the heck do they command naval and ground assets that would normally be under the command of high ranking admirals and generals? And if a moff is just an administrative title and they're not civilian, shouldn't they include a military rank with it like fleet admiral or general depending on what branch they served in?
@@LoreGuy New Rethink Videos Please Lore Guy: What if the empire mass produced Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite Star Fighter program? What if the Rebellion stole and used Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite star fighters against the empire? What if the Republic had and used Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite throughout the clone wars? What if the Separatists had and used Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite during the clone wars? What if the First + Final Orders used Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite star fighter? What if the Resistance used Thrawn's Tie Defender Elite against the first + final orders?
I think for the most part all the star destroyers would've been caught captured or otherwise accounted for if he got awsy with one of these older Cruisers ,what 20-25 year old ship it qas probably part of the mothball Reserve Fleet in storage somewhere out of the side yard or Shipyard and it just wasn't being watched itswhat they can get away with. Like the movie battleship or the Battlestar series reboot. Its museum or training vessel.
I have an alternative theory. Most planets didn’t have large standing forces, so the Remnant forces could control far more of the outer rim territories, with the same resources needed for the one Star Destroyer...
Because of plot armor. Since you can pop out star destroyers with planet killer weapons and a full crew from nowhere by just calling it, hidden and unknown. The only reason Moff Gideon had it because Din is a side character in saga and Moff's power was reduced to his level.
IF there was any star destroyers remaining, my best guess is that most, if not all the internal components, especially the halls, the rooms, & such, were gutted out & removed. What we’d get is an interior that is as open & spacious as a venator’s central hangar spine, or even a lucrehulk’s hangar arms. IF Gideon had any remaining Imperial class star destroyers, I’m more inclined to believe that he’d use ‘em as nearly immobile storage containers that held any & all remaining assets that he’d keep, but most likely would never use because he is lacking the resources needed to make ‘em fully functional & such. You can even imagine one being more stuffed than a turkey on tanks-giving because of all the secrets that Palpatine wanted to keep away from the rest of the galaxy & such… TIE Defenders included…
On one hand such "refit" would be resource and time intensive, but on the other hand, if you removed/shipped elsewhere facilities used to house and deploy ground forces you have quite a bit of volume for other uses, that could be used to for example increase fighter compliment of ISD up to about 144, or as additional storage
Valid, @@Jfk2Mr, but I was thinking more in lines to an Imperial version of the Gallofree transports, such as the ones seen fleeing Hoth in the Empire Strikes Back, took part in the Battle of Endor, and even the battle over Scarif (the one that crashed into the Imperial Star Destroyer that exited hyperspace & such). And I did say nearly immobile because should they ever be discovered, it’ll get into position & jump into hyperspace to a different predesignated hiding spot. Thus, you have to wonder, where are the Imperial Star Destroyer’s Innards? (Insert cutscene of Deadpool cutting a deal with Gideon on the Milano and saying it’ll be useful for the future of a galaxy far fa~ar away, and probably mentioning that they’re in the same comic book universe… and Star Trek will be joining them soon…)…
For ships crew, I think the "enlisted personnels" are mostly droids rather than actual humans. Even in the original trilogy you mostly see more droids in the maintenance sections than humans. Especially the mouse droids.
Sense yes and no . The light cruiser is a good ship to use even in the old days . She is better armed than most fast manuvrable. I believe the imperial remnant had more manpower as a home but gideon only commanded part of there combined military. Remember how large the empire was 10 percent full manpower is still millions
There's actually real-life precedence for this. Generally, you don't want your commanders actually engaged in combat. They need to be near the front, but remain safe enough to command. As such, smaller, faster ships are often used by admirals and the like. This helps them to get where they need to be faster, helps them stay of trouble and retreat faster, and means that ships that are needed in the fight aren't kept out because of their important passengers. Speed and a good communications suite will always be more important to high-ranking officers than having a ship that's super powerful.
The light cruisers are a far more operationally effective ship and could be built in far greater numbers. Imperial Star destroyers are like WW2 battleships. Big spectacle but a waste of resources with a big target on their back.
Huh if i was running a Medium sized imperial remnant army (say 27'000) i would go with a Venator mk 2 Defender class and also running our own control point planet outside the republic space doing low tier imperial technologies with the scientist we have been "re-recruiting" or just plain kidnapping with Imperial spy/assassins The StormTroopers will be renamed as Remnant Troopers and outfitted with the republics unused/scrapped armour the phase 3 Trooper Armour with bondoilers for ammo mags on the chest, triple glazed plastoid over a thin durasteel plating alloy allowing the armour better protection on all gear except the foot wear and gloves (boasting better then the standard plastoid Storm Trooper gear). The legs are outfitted with knee and thin shin absorbtion pads for crouching and prone in battles the armour is also outfitted with a pouch on the back of the waist belt (belt can be shifted even when on for ease of use) consisting of rations, two water portions, and a miniture pack of bacta aid for squad member or wound, amongs others a thermal grenade belt is also added to carry a extra thermal then the standard 1 when out on patrols or in a fight. The Troopers be armed with a new more robust Rifle then the standard E-1 Rifle (a improved version of the Carbine DC-15S used by Clones now renamed by Remnant Armaments Division the DC-18S ( dubbed Battle Rifle by Troopers) with a stock and foregrip for better aim (Laser mags consist of 200 rounds of blaster bolts) retaining a semi fire function for accuracy it also has a full auto function by eiither tap fire for a control 5 round burst or full hold for pray and spray in close range combat. Can be refitted with a Thermal Grenade launcher instead of a foregrip though still the launcher is still in a working phase, the ironsight can be given a holosight or a 2x sight. Has a standard light feature on the rifle much like the E-1 counterpart intergrated inside the foregrip a simple button on the side to activate the function The helmet of the phase 3 Trooper Armour was in protophase when the kamino armnants was producing it before being dumped for the standard Storm Trooper Armament the phase 3 helmet has been revitalised by the Remnant Division and is outfitted with the standard issue tech from the Storm Trooper helmets (Rebreathers, Air filters and life support systems for easy outgoings in harsh enviroments and a com link to Remnant Command) it also has been implemented with a on board "Target Aim Assist " to help Remnant Trooper recruits in hitting the targets the system has a target heat sync to help Soldiers in combat against combatants at night it also has a upgraded system to identify civilians when on patrol duties in cities. like its armour counterpart has been intergrated with a light weigth thin Durasteel alloy for extra protection except for certain areas like the frontal visor and lower neck section (padding on lower neck for both comfort and ease of removal) the visor has also a onboard cleaning system (only the visor manual cleaning still mandatory) and intergrated a night vision for (night shift or night time raid) or can just use the standard light function on the DC-18S Rifle (it's recommended to use the light due to the night vision consumption on the helmet battery supply but not mandatory). Id do more but be a LONG read like the abandoned Republic Clone base being refurbished from a decommissioned Venator MK 2 Defender and also extensions upon the base, using other parts from the decommissioned ship to build new areas like barracks, housings and Science/technology hub and a major militarized planet after years outside the republic space yeah be pretty much a non-canon Remnant Imperial faction
The majority of the Imperial Star Destroyers regrouped to the Unknown Regions. Light Cruisers were a better option because they were agile, and required less manpower.
I think it’s a little too close to call personally because bo Katan is trying to get as many ships as she can I’m sure there are some still around no matter how high profile they would be. I guess we will see
Imperial Remnants in Canon só far dó not dissapoint me. They go for ooerational effectiveness and don't put all eggs in one basket. Unlike this other remnant of the Empire "cough, cough, First Order, cough", they actually did learn.
I think moth gid was using a smaller ship because he wanted to stay under the radar. a SD is big and leaves a huge trail if having to travel back and forth. but the moth probably did have a SD anchored somewhere. the galaxy is a large place and while many of the loyalist where destroyed. during this time. plenty remained around as well as sd factories where still operational. just in secret. the moth was on a secret mission thus a small finger print is needed. this is why he did not have any use for a SD. his mission was not meant to be a bad ass and destroy everything or take out a few cities. his mission in the sense was to get the project and go back to his base of operations where he was given his mission. the moth still had plenty of personnel and i am sure he kept a SD at his main base of operations. The mission did not require a SD so why use one.
I'm sure they still have them, but they are not going to take them out of mothballs unless there is a job where only a Star Destroyer will do. They burn too many resources and draw too much attention to galivant around looking for Force blood.
If the Rebel Alliance could operate MC80 cruisers, why couldn't the Imperial Remnant operate ISDs? Or do the Mon Calamari cruisers need lot less crew and fuel to operate?
I would argue something else. One question has always bothered me. How the hell did the Galactic Empire lose nearly 25,000 star destroyer in 4 years. Maybe a quarter, maybe one half, but how could they lose nearly 100%. And we know that the First Order was formed with a limited amount. My belief that there are many, very powerful warlords operating in the Core Worlds and the Unknown Regions. One of those warlords could be Grand Admiral Thrawn. However, like in legends, these warlords aren't loyal to the Empire in general. They were there own splinter groups that had fragmented after the death of the Emperor. And, this would work, as the Core Worlds are dangerous to travel in, not least moving a starfleet to destroy any holdouts, and the New Republic has barely any control over the unknown regions, nor cares due to its policy of demilitarization. How could the First Order rise the the New Republic care about the Unknown Regions Of coarse, it could be something different, but I am just hoping for the Sequel Trilogy erasing theory, so we can pretty much get a retelling of the Post-Imperial era in Legends, instead of the Empire just disappearing from existence as soon as the Emperor died. If anybody else has thoughts, I'd love to hear them.
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"You can't hide a star destroyer for very long"
Sheev laughs maniacally in the distance
For groups not in the uknown regions it wouldve been hard. If a star destroyer had been seen theNew Republic would freak out but a light cruiser? They would do something but they would not take it as seiously
In the unknown regions I think its OK to have them , but they are logistically not worth it. I would make either the Accimator or the Victory class my flagship and have arquitens supporting them
*Looks at Lusankya which was buried in courscant for YEARS*
Yeah about that
the sequels don't make any sense.
@@darthtrooper9897 the new republic ignored sighting of first order ships that were almost twice the size of star destroyers
"You can't hide a Star Destroyer"
But turning an entire planet into a Death Star is no problem!?!?
Uhm....
Illum/Starkiller is in the Unknown Regions. Where the New Republic is afraid of and is dangerous.
The unknown regions wasnt checked on by the new republic
They would have picked up on the activities going on their. Don’t make excuses, guys.
Ah it probably wasn't the case that they didn't know that something was happening out there, it probably was more the case that they didn't know exactly what was going on and didn't really care, cause lets be honest they were a bunch of extremist out in the sticks and the most probable line of thinking would probably lead you to think they were colonizing, fortifying, and building a fleet that realistically wouldn't have posed a threat to the republic's fleet and military
Clearly that's why the death stars were destroyed.
It would bring too much attention and use too much resources. Great video
Fast and easy like killing the kids
@@anakinskywalkercrappyprodu2205 LOL 😆
Also don’t they need like close to 15k people to full man it
Edit: Stand corrected. 30k holy shit lol
They didn't abandoned them...Many remainder fleets hyperspaced to the Unknown Regions. Other Remnants decided to use smaller fleets to prevent New Republic forces to take down or acquire Star Destroyers for their own fleet.
tl;dr, the appearance of a star destroyer would trigger a "Hunt the Bismarck" scenario. Even if they could man it, it would cause the New Republic to muster an entire fleet to take it down.
Most definitely ... Also many were lost in the remaining year of the Galactic Civil war and in the internal power struggles of the Imperial Remnates or quietly slipped into the unknown regions to become the First Order.
That sounds like an awesome episode of the mandalorian
When thrawn comes back, if he doesn’t have at least 1 isd imma be mad
I’m sure he still has the Chimaera
The seventh fleet wasn’t destroyed at the end of rebels, it was taken into hyperspace, likely where thrawn was taken, meaning he will probably still have it at his disposal, not to mention I would be surprised if he also happens to come back with a few chiss ships.
Plus Katana fleet is till some out there.
Im from the future and i can tell you yes he has the Chimera but its very damaged and messed up and he will prob have to abandon it because i doubt he has enough resources to fix it and even more i doubt he has enough men to manage it at its full potential he was barly managing the thing as it is in Ahsoka show
personally i think that Giddian is perilously operation a skeleton crew on a small ship with Thrawn still being alive and being active any large ships like ISD's would be retained under him where they could be used most effectively though id imagine Thrawn would have more droids or otherwise try and automate as much of the workings of an ISD as possible to help with the manpower shortage.
I guess they would use their Star Destroyers to defend the remaining planets under their control, because they are not able to supply them anymore when they are outside their planets.
Just about NOTHING in the canon sequels makes sense. This was one of the few that did.
The 1st order could not have acquired the resources they did if the New Republic hadn't disarmed so quickly, and anyone who was at war knows you do not disarm while you still have an enemy, no matter how small or defeated that is just trying to overtake you.
Luke, Leia, Han... I'm not going into. It's too heartbreaking.
If Palpatine was alive or ruling by proxy at least, why did he let the Rebels win so much when he can still bring forces to bear?
Ultimately, the Imperials abandoning Star Destroyers for more manageable, cheaper and less crew intensive designs as their fortunes turned was one of the few things that made sense.
Tl;dr: the tables turned and now the bucketheads need to be nimble and focus on subterfuge
i think Grand Admiral Thrawn still has the Chimaera and other star destroyers
If I remember correctly from the Aftermath trilogy, many Star Destroyers and a huge part of the navy was sent to the Unknown Regions for Darth Sidious' Contingency.
Yeah but the year after the battle of jakku alot of star destroyers were destroyed or taken by other imperial remnants either trying to be warlords or trying to start there own little empire
Jakku was what really marked the end for the empire. They lost loads of troops and equipment as well as a super star destroyer and many other vital ships. As well as that many other remnants had gathered there to join in so when they were defeated a big chunk of the remaining imperial resources were lost
They should have sold the Star Destroyers in Amazon. They sure would have get some money.
The only way I can see the imperial remnant or imperial warlords having star destroyers is if the retreated to the unknown regions and Wildldspace away from the new republic and found some resources there like the first order.
I wonder if we’ll see more of Moff Gideon’s remnant in the coming seasons. I can’t imagine that it consists of a single ship, a few outposts, and a couple hundred soldiers and officers. No way a moff has survived this long with so little by way of resources. I imagine that the nature of his operation call for smaller fast ships most of the time and the few Star Destroyers he has are used for primarily defensive operations or only in the most dire situations.
Giddeon also went to Thrawn's school of smart fleet management.
Its also likely if there are remaining star destroyers that they are part of Thrawns fleet, being kept in reserve for strategically crucial missions.
Then there's Thrawn, with six/seven ISD's
The light cruiser is probably my favourite ship in Star Wars so seeing them in anything is welcomed by me
Large, slow, and a waste of resources without proper infrastructure to support it. It was not a great ship to begin with, but the death of the Emperor it became obsolete.
Plus the territory the Empire controlled was largely reduced at the end of the war so there was no need to build these colossal Star Destroyers anywhere
Large, yes. Slow, actually not any slower then compared to other capitol scale star fairing vessels. waste of resources, not necessarily, the problem with the vessel is that it was in itself a lot of resources, during the days of the empire it was inefficient yes but the terrifying power it brought to bear wasnt wasteful, post imperial their use was....limited. protecting military instillations or used to attack other instillations it was perfect for the job.
@@double0bigby I have no idea how canon this is/was, but the old RPG mentioned that the Empire put a limit to the mass/thrust ratio on civillian ships, essentially ordering a speed limit so the best they could do was keep the distance to a Star Destroyer. With the TIE Fighters being much faster, it was difficult to impossple to escape a Star Destroyer.
That led to problems as the Rebel Alliance had no qualms to boost their ship's engines or get older ships that haven't been modyfied to match the current regulations because they came from scrap yards.
Smugglers often had to use bribery and forged papers anyway to operate, so they weren't affected much either.
It was a fantastic ship. The weaknesses in an awful bridge and shield generator positioning and barely any rear coverage for firepower are made up in sheer firepower when positioned correctly and a screening of fast fighters.
Yeh Moff Gideons faction is to small, but their are probably larger factions out there that could service a couple
An undermanned ISD is in alphabet squadron part 2. It's turbolasers where all tied to one fire director so it couldn't engage more than one target and it's point defense was inactive because they didn't have the Gunners to man them. It ended up being a fair fight for an acclimamor to take on.
"Well why don't we just bury them?"
-Some weird old guy in a bathrobe
Plus after the New Republic assault of Kuat Drive Yards the Empire's main producer of their battleships they didn't have the resources or materials to build these kind of ships
What if Chancellor Valroum led the Republic instead of Palpatine during the Clone Wars?:Star Wars Rethink
Oponent for Palpatine was Antillies from Alderaan, it will be interesting one
Star Destroyers were abandoned for the same reason battleships became obsolete in real life. They're bottomless pits you dump time, money, people, and resources into.
No because if it were the case so would tanks and jets would be out to not to mention supercarriers. It was because of range a destroyer could spam missiles and out of range and destroy a battleship... Remember they were brought back and used effectively not more than 20 years ago to bombard beaches in the middle east at 100,000,00th of the cost of using tomahawks and scare the soviets with there armor surrounds by weaker destoriers.
Today if we made new ones that used ramjet shells or Railguns then they could fight the modern threat of hypersonic missiles at a 100,000,00th of the cost to defend the outranged supercarriers.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough You've seen way too many sci-fi movies. Battleships are as dead as the dinosaurs.
@@TheAKgunner ...I come from Florida and we have something from that era called an Alligator or in Spanish, it is called The lizard. And like the alligator Battleships have a niche in the modern world unless you like to waste million clearing a beachhead when hundreds will do. Or what about hypersonic missiles? Would you prefer all surface ships go exint? What about transfering troops or scouting or humanitarian reasons unless you want marines to be submariners and get hazard pay as such.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Now you're just being overly dramatic. Surface ships can never go "extinct", as you say. Aircraft carrier are irreplacable in modern warfare. They have range even a battleship equipped with your vaunted railguns can't hope to match. Plus, only a fleet of surface ships can carry the raw tonnage to move an armored division.
Russia has a battleship sized ship still. Though it proves your point, because its an old soviet model that they mostly operate still in order to make people remember the Russian Navy is a thing that still exists.
Real reason: Disney wanted to sell a new line of toys
ISDs using 30k crew to operate, Imperium of Man scoffs at this as even the smaller "frigates" still have crews in the hundreds of thousands.
Lore Guy, I love the Moff’s use of the light cruiser. He needed an escort though, like a Nebulon-B and a Carrack.
Short Answer: Star Destroyers are like the Death Star in a way. They took up huge resources to maintain and produce, not to mention it was a symbol of the Empire too. These things were like the AT-ATs of the skies, meant for inspiring fear into enemies of the Empire.
He probably scraped his it to build a few smaller ship.
What if Gilad Pallaeon led the Empire after the Emperor's death at the Battle of Endor?
Same as what happened in legends, most Imperial admirals and Moffs would never follow a Captain. Some would still be loyal to the imperial ruling council and Grand Vizier Pestage but most went off to establish their own small warlord territory or join up with the bigger warlord factions like the Warlord Zsinj, the Pentestar Allignment or Greater Maldrood. Until his time with Thrawn Pellaeon was a footnote in galactic events, and Pellaeon couldn't unifiy the Imperial remnant until he allied with Daala and killed the remaining warlords.
@@avenge2168 That's the point. There is no Daala in the Canon. Instead, there is Admiral Rae Sloan. So is it still possible to him to unify the Imperial remnant?
The thing is the light cruiser bring less attention and is easy to replace ( they were being produced during and after the clone wars) above that it makes more sense to give your big ships to a dedicated fleet such as thrawns fleet (if that’s where their going) and it would also never go on important stealth missions such as capturing a Jedi
A star destroyer may be a bit harder to find if they keep on the move, but ports for it are much easier to find. Like defeating an army in the desert, you don't need to face it head on, track down the watering holes and secure them so the enemy is too afraid to attack them. Eventually it'll get so worn down you can attack it for an easy kill. Same with a star destroyer, it's so massive and resource intensive the Republic could figure out ports that could feasibly accomodate such a ship, secure them, and starve out the destroyer. The longer it waits to strike the weaker it gets, and whenever it does strike the forces at that station can notify the Republic where they are and reinforcements can arrive to deliver the killing blow.
The First Order navy had about 100 ISDs in its navy.
The First Order and Palpatine had the luxury of hiding out in the unknown regions, which is how the First Order managed to terraform a planet into a super weapon without drawing the wrath of the New Republic.
They also had the manpower to operate those ships. The Imperial Rements who stayed behind lacked the crew needed to operate a Imperial class star destroyer. The smaller ships based on the Clone wars era star distroyers required less manpower and were better armed.
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The Conquer-class star destroyer was fitted with a Death Star laser canon being able too destroy entire moons/ decimate planets not destroying them but reacting havoc and destruction and yes it wouldn’t be wise for the Empire too pilot/ operate a Conquer-class star destroyer (considering how much resources/ crew they need too operate and would gather a lot of unwanted attention by not only The New Republic but by the multiple factions in the galaxy) it would be very intimidating against The New Republic fleet/ military though but would ultimately bring itself down it would need too hide in the outer rim and not be seen like the emperors super star destroyer which was huge while also having a Death Star laser canon.
Even considering the possibility of hiding out on a fresh ISD somewhere in deep space, you only have so long before you need to resupply and refuel. Though the idea of a lone, or even packs of Star Destroyers raiding New Republic space is kinda neat, chances are those days are long gone by the time of the Mandolorian TV show, if those days ever existed at all.
Yeah I agree and I guess star wars squadrons also shows the struggles for the imperials to upkeep a star destroyer and TIE fighters
Imagine if Disney made it so that grand Admiral thrawn was behind the rise of the first order and the cloning of Palpatine.
And used them as bait for the imperial remnant leaders who were against him.. and to send the galaxy into chaos. Only for thrawn to sweep in
The reason was that the Mandalorian was not about huge heroes, but relatively ordinary people.
It wasn't appropriate to have an enemy in a Star Destroyer (moreover, taking a Star Destroyer would necessarily involve a larger group of characters helping Mando, maybe a small army).
Moff Gideon doesn't *rate* a full Star Destroyer. He's a mid- ranking bureaucrat with secret police connections. In a backwater part of space. And, yes, the Empire is reduced to various remnants. Plus Disney want to sell new toys.
The remnants destroyers was pulled back to Bastion or other Imperial planets, and used smaller ships when operating in New Republic space to not draw to much attention to them self make sense.
The imps was on withdrawal and was not in open war until Thrawn took charge of the navy.
It would be cool in future media if we see the new republic fleet go up against some of the imperial remnant fleet. Would love to see the NR Starhawk being the biggest ship for once instead of the empire always having the bigger ships.
I think if a ISD or a fleet of them were seen the new republic would send a strike group and blast them into dust to capture them or destroy them, its like a current US navy carrier battle group, its powerful and can kick anybody's ass with no trouble but is big and can't be hidden at all, a giant bullseye on a massive powerful but slow ship.
I agree with your point on star destroyer classes such as the imperial one but what the move don’t rly show is that there are plenty of intermediate size warships like the victory or procurator, these “poket star destroyers” would be the good balance of size, imposing presence, resource management etc, I understand not everyone would run around with them but a moff with a ongoing high priority scientific operation based on board would certainly be worth of one , hell if you rly want you can use the dreadnought cruisers which since the republic era have been highly automated, the arquintens is simply too weak in my opinion to be entrusted to carry out such a important operation and transport such important personal
Even before the fall of the Empire, I don't think Gideon would have commanded a Star Destroyer. He's an ISB agent, after all. He doesn't need a massive warship like that to do his job.
It’s very reminiscent of the German army using heavy and super heavy tanks in 1944, they had little to no fuel so majority of the time they abandoned them, not a lot of trained soldier who could use those more complicated vehicles, took to much resources to make 1 heavy tank like a King Tiger than a few Panzer 4s and with the allies having air superiority it was really easy to pick off a big slow moving target that had no way to protect itself from air attacks.
I think there is also mention written somewhere in Canon that all star destroyers stationed in the inner rim and core worlds surrendered or were destroyed.
What about the vastness of the unknown region? Isn't that how the Sith Empire massively rebuilt their strength? Could it be possible that only a small portion of the Imperial navy was at Jakku? The disappearance of Imperial assets across all of known space does not build the fleet at Jakku. The fleet at Jakku was not small but I find it difficult to believe the Empire was, in its entirety, there. I think the Empire is alive and waiting. The Grand Admiral needs only time.
ISDs require massive crews,cost a ton to maintain,requires more fuel,and are also massive targets for both rival Imperials&Republic forces. It would be better to replace with a few light cruisers or gozantis.
I'm surprised they didn't just ground ships and just made them into makeshift fortifications. I mean they're big enough to be a small town anyway.
To be fair though there are like several classes of imperial ships in between a light cruiser and a star destroyer, such as a Victory Class frigate for one.
Likely they would be massive targets that would be destroyed.
But on the other hand, it could have been scrapped to build smaller ships that had that star destroyer look. But being far smaller up close.
Just imagine how much Dark Troopers can be made with the resources of making a single star destroyer
When I first saw them I was like damn if they made of beskar yall are fucked
If the game 'Foxhole' taught me anything, Logistics wins wars. If you don't have the logistics, you can't run a tank. The problem is far bigger when scaled up to a Star Destroyer.
30,000 might be needed for a Super Star Destroyer, but I'm pretty sure the staple for a normal Star Destroyer is 5,000. Still an astronomical number really - even today we are making ships that require less crew to run. A ship from the future requiring even a 1,000 crewman should be considered quite unwieldy.
Don't rely on the tech too much... You might end up with a 2001 Space Odyssey scenario.
In a cruel twist of fate, the Imperial remnants had to resort to Rebel tactics and indeed, logistics, to survive.
How to cut down costs on a Star destroyer:
Cut down crew to 1/3rd
You have 30thousand peeps on board, but they are likely in a three or four shift system.
So if you cut that down to one or two groups that are simply always on standby you can certainly cut down a lot there.
Now this obviously has the downside that many systems will be ignored whilst these men are sleeping, BUT in an emergency you can wake them up and have the ship at full combat readyness in 15 to 20 minutes (25% longer than usual)
Cut down on ship security, you don't need 10000 soldiers on board, your crew already has basic combat training, so having enough security to keep any hangar and airlocks secure with a few in reserve should suffice.
Next, automate many systems, yes, the initial cost will grow, but once done you can further cut down on crew, there is no reason why roughly ten thousand peeps should be required to run ~30 turrets, ~tractor beams, the engines, scanning, comms, repairs, tech, medical compartment etc.
You can cut down in many areas letting you propably only need 2-4 thousand on duty crew to fully run the ship.
Cutting down fuel is gonna be hard, best thing to do is to decide where you wanna fly, go to the speed you'd like to use and then shut off the engines. You'll keep your velocity, so there isn't too big a downside.
Given all the crew cut downs, keep two anti-fighter screening ships around you at all time. So even if you are attacked you can delay fighters and are screened against them, or are protected until you can jump away.
Yes, using smaller ships is certainly more sensible, but, use more of them, cut down on crew and security on each one and instead get more, as well as more variety, (many different ships will make it hard for the enemy to understand each one's role.)
A single light cruiser with no Escort at all is quite stupid, go for two light cruisers and three or four screening ships as well as a carrier and you're good.
He should be lucky he was even able to get that ship. I recall in Spacedock's video covering that class of cruiser. The ship yard that built them had been destroyed. The Empire saw no reason to convert a ship yard to build more.
Swarms of Cleveland class cruisers everywhere
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It would make sense for any rebel Imperial commanders to shift in using smaller command vessels to continue their campaign against The Rebellion..er, I mean, the New Republic. The Arquintens-class command cruiser is just one example and the Empire had thousands of smaller warships in the Imperial Navy. What about ships like the Vindicator-class cruiser? That class is basically a tiny Star Destroyer with even more firepower than an Arquitens command cruiser. Or if some fleet admiral or another former sector moff is lucky, what about Victory-class Star Destroyers or a even an aging Rendilli Stardrives Dreadnaught? Sure, they're bigger and despite being old Clone Wars era warships they could be modified with autonomous systems to help run the ship with a reduced crew size and given more extensive modifications like increased fuel tanks to keep these ships running past the original mileage.
If breakaway Imperial commanders were any smarter and were not present with the disaster that is Jakku and not partake Operation:Cinder, they'd be smarter to just ditch the Imperial-class ISD and switch to smaller less crew intensive ships and add more automated systems.
Also here's a big question: I thought moffs were civilian and were only sector administrators in the Empire. How the heck do they command naval and ground assets that would normally be under the command of high ranking admirals and generals? And if a moff is just an administrative title and they're not civilian, shouldn't they include a military rank with it like fleet admiral or general depending on what branch they served in?
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I think for the most part all the star destroyers would've been caught captured or otherwise accounted for if he got awsy with one of these older Cruisers ,what 20-25 year old ship it qas probably part of the mothball Reserve Fleet in storage somewhere out of the side yard or Shipyard and it just wasn't being watched itswhat they can get away with. Like the movie battleship or the Battlestar series reboot. Its museum or training vessel.
I like how the roles were swapped between the two
I would use a venator if there were any left.
Also the new republic would take notice of a star destroyer and make it more of a priority than a light cruiser
I have an alternative theory.
Most planets didn’t have large standing forces, so the Remnant forces could control far more of the outer rim territories, with the same resources needed for the one Star Destroyer...
i think it made total sense.
Big slow targets that are difficult to maintain.
Because of plot armor. Since you can pop out star destroyers with planet killer weapons and a full crew from nowhere by just calling it, hidden and unknown.
The only reason Moff Gideon had it because Din is a side character in saga and Moff's power was reduced to his level.
I think the Imperial Remnant hid their remaining Star Destroyers in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy so not to arose suspicion from the New Republic
IF there was any star destroyers remaining, my best guess is that most, if not all the internal components, especially the halls, the rooms, & such, were gutted out & removed. What we’d get is an interior that is as open & spacious as a venator’s central hangar spine, or even a lucrehulk’s hangar arms.
IF Gideon had any remaining Imperial class star destroyers, I’m more inclined to believe that he’d use ‘em as nearly immobile storage containers that held any & all remaining assets that he’d keep, but most likely would never use because he is lacking the resources needed to make ‘em fully functional & such.
You can even imagine one being more stuffed than a turkey on tanks-giving because of all the secrets that Palpatine wanted to keep away from the rest of the galaxy & such… TIE Defenders included…
On one hand such "refit" would be resource and time intensive, but on the other hand, if you removed/shipped elsewhere facilities used to house and deploy ground forces you have quite a bit of volume for other uses, that could be used to for example increase fighter compliment of ISD up to about 144, or as additional storage
Valid, @@Jfk2Mr, but I was thinking more in lines to an Imperial version of the Gallofree transports, such as the ones seen fleeing Hoth in the Empire Strikes Back, took part in the Battle of Endor, and even the battle over Scarif (the one that crashed into the Imperial Star Destroyer that exited hyperspace & such).
And I did say nearly immobile because should they ever be discovered, it’ll get into position & jump into hyperspace to a different predesignated hiding spot.
Thus, you have to wonder, where are the Imperial Star Destroyer’s Innards? (Insert cutscene of Deadpool cutting a deal with Gideon on the Milano and saying it’ll be useful for the future of a galaxy far fa~ar away, and probably mentioning that they’re in the same comic book universe… and Star Trek will be joining them soon…)…
For ships crew, I think the "enlisted personnels" are mostly droids rather than actual humans. Even in the original trilogy you mostly see more droids in the maintenance sections than humans. Especially the mouse droids.
if only there were robotic beings in this lore that could assist in the operations of a star destroyer.
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Sense yes and no . The light cruiser is a good ship to use even in the old days . She is better armed than most fast manuvrable. I believe the imperial remnant had more manpower as a home but gideon only commanded part of there combined military. Remember how large the empire was 10 percent full manpower is still millions
There's actually real-life precedence for this. Generally, you don't want your commanders actually engaged in combat. They need to be near the front, but remain safe enough to command. As such, smaller, faster ships are often used by admirals and the like. This helps them to get where they need to be faster, helps them stay of trouble and retreat faster, and means that ships that are needed in the fight aren't kept out because of their important passengers. Speed and a good communications suite will always be more important to high-ranking officers than having a ship that's super powerful.
Thrawn probably has the only remaining ISD's left in the Remnant.
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The light cruisers are a far more operationally effective ship and could be built in far greater numbers.
Imperial Star destroyers are like WW2 battleships. Big spectacle but a waste of resources with a big target on their back.
Huh if i was running a Medium sized imperial remnant army (say 27'000) i would go with a Venator mk 2 Defender class and also running our own control point planet outside the republic space doing low tier imperial technologies with the scientist we have been "re-recruiting" or just plain kidnapping with Imperial spy/assassins
The StormTroopers will be renamed as Remnant Troopers and outfitted with the republics unused/scrapped armour the phase 3 Trooper Armour with bondoilers for ammo mags on the chest, triple glazed plastoid over a thin durasteel plating alloy allowing the armour better protection on all gear except the foot wear and gloves (boasting better then the standard plastoid Storm Trooper gear). The legs are outfitted with knee and thin shin absorbtion pads for crouching and prone in battles the armour is also outfitted with a pouch on the back of the waist belt (belt can be shifted even when on for ease of use) consisting of rations, two water portions, and a miniture pack of bacta aid for squad member or wound, amongs others a thermal grenade belt is also added to carry a extra thermal then the standard 1 when out on patrols or in a fight.
The Troopers be armed with a new more robust Rifle then the standard E-1 Rifle (a improved version of the Carbine DC-15S used by Clones now renamed by Remnant Armaments Division the DC-18S ( dubbed Battle Rifle by Troopers) with a stock and foregrip for better aim (Laser mags consist of 200 rounds of blaster bolts) retaining a semi fire function for accuracy it also has a full auto function by eiither tap fire for a control 5 round burst or full hold for pray and spray in close range combat. Can be refitted with a Thermal Grenade launcher instead of a foregrip though still the launcher is still in a working phase, the ironsight can be given a holosight or a 2x sight. Has a standard light feature on the rifle much like the E-1 counterpart intergrated inside the foregrip a simple button on the side to activate the function
The helmet of the phase 3 Trooper Armour was in protophase when the kamino armnants was producing it before being dumped for the standard Storm Trooper Armament the phase 3 helmet has been revitalised by the Remnant Division and is outfitted with the standard issue tech from the Storm Trooper helmets (Rebreathers, Air filters and life support systems for easy outgoings in harsh enviroments and a com link to Remnant Command) it also has been implemented with a on board "Target Aim Assist " to help Remnant Trooper recruits in hitting the targets the system has a target heat sync to help Soldiers in combat against combatants at night it also has a upgraded system to identify civilians when on patrol duties in cities. like its armour counterpart has been intergrated with a light weigth thin Durasteel alloy for extra protection except for certain areas like the frontal visor and lower neck section (padding on lower neck for both comfort and ease of removal) the visor has also a onboard cleaning system (only the visor manual cleaning still mandatory) and intergrated a night vision for (night shift or night time raid) or can just use the standard light function on the DC-18S Rifle (it's recommended to use the light due to the night vision consumption on the helmet battery supply but not mandatory).
Id do more but be a LONG read like the abandoned Republic Clone base being refurbished from a decommissioned Venator MK 2 Defender and also extensions upon the base, using other parts from the decommissioned ship to build new areas like barracks, housings and Science/technology hub and a major militarized planet after years outside the republic space yeah be pretty much a non-canon Remnant Imperial faction
The majority of the Imperial Star Destroyers regrouped to the Unknown Regions. Light Cruisers were a better option because they were agile, and required less manpower.
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I think it’s a little too close to call personally because bo Katan is trying to get as many ships as she can I’m sure there are some still around no matter how high profile they would be. I guess we will see
emperor palpatine built his sith fleet also i would get a venator which is awesome
Imperial Remnants in Canon só far dó not dissapoint me. They go for ooerational effectiveness and don't put all eggs in one basket. Unlike this other remnant of the Empire "cough, cough, First Order, cough", they actually did learn.
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I think moth gid was using a smaller ship because he wanted to stay under the radar. a SD is big and leaves a huge trail if having to travel back and forth. but the moth probably did have a SD anchored somewhere. the galaxy is a large place and while many of the loyalist where destroyed. during this time. plenty remained around as well as sd factories where still operational. just in secret. the moth was on a secret mission thus a small finger print is needed. this is why he did not have any use for a SD. his mission was not meant to be a bad ass and destroy everything or take out a few cities. his mission in the sense was to get the project and go back to his base of operations where he was given his mission. the moth still had plenty of personnel and i am sure he kept a SD at his main base of operations. The mission did not require a SD so why use one.
I thought this was on the OG remnant under Pelleon and was infinitely disapointed to be reminded that Disney Canon exists.
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Also more then likey a few star destroyers fled to the unknown regions.
Star Destroyers are hard to hide ummm the Lusankya was hidden pretty well.
I'm sure they still have them, but they are not going to take them out of mothballs unless there is a job where only a Star Destroyer will do. They burn too many resources and draw too much attention to galivant around looking for Force blood.
If the Rebel Alliance could operate MC80 cruisers, why couldn't the Imperial Remnant operate ISDs? Or do the Mon Calamari cruisers need lot less crew and fuel to operate?
What happen to the super star destroyer that got captured by pirates?
I would argue something else. One question has always bothered me. How the hell did the Galactic Empire lose nearly 25,000 star destroyer in 4 years. Maybe a quarter, maybe one half, but how could they lose nearly 100%. And we know that the First Order was formed with a limited amount. My belief that there are many, very powerful warlords operating in the Core Worlds and the Unknown Regions. One of those warlords could be Grand Admiral Thrawn. However, like in legends, these warlords aren't loyal to the Empire in general. They were there own splinter groups that had fragmented after the death of the Emperor. And, this would work, as the Core Worlds are dangerous to travel in, not least moving a starfleet to destroy any holdouts, and the New Republic has barely any control over the unknown regions, nor cares due to its policy of demilitarization. How could the First Order rise the the New Republic care about the Unknown Regions Of coarse, it could be something different, but I am just hoping for the Sequel Trilogy erasing theory, so we can pretty much get a retelling of the Post-Imperial era in Legends, instead of the Empire just disappearing from existence as soon as the Emperor died. If anybody else has thoughts, I'd love to hear them.