I've also got a pre-1911 Remington Model 11 "Auto-Loading Shotgun." The wood on it is beautiful (pretty sure the handguard is a replacement though) and the blueing is in fantastic condition. And I got it for a screaming deal to boot. Love that shotgun.
I have my Grandfathers, then Fathers Remington Model 11. From what I've been told by older family members, my Grandfather bought it brand new, back in 1935. My Dad took possession of it in 1971 (IIRC), after my Grandfather passed. I found out back in 1988 after I got out of the Army, that my Dad gave up hunting, and gave his 3 guns to my little brother. I asked him if he would sell it to me. He wouldn't. Yes, I was pissed to say the least! After my Dad passed in Sept. 2017, two months later, we went to Thanksgiving dinner at my brothers place. As we were leaving, my brother called for me to come back downstairs to the family room. I did. He reached into his gun safe, and handed me, the Model 11 and said, "Dad told me to give this to you after he died, and asked my brother to give it to me, after Dad passed. It is now my most prized firearm that I currently own. With the exception of a couple minor scratches in the finish of the stock,, everything else is in pristene condition! Like dang near brand spankin' new! My most favorite, easiest to aim, shotgun I own! Good video! Thank you.
That's a fine old pre-Model 11 in good working condition. I'm always fascinated with videos of anyone hitting flying targets -- actual doves or clays. Hitting a flying target is such an instinctive Zen magic that for many of us cannot be taught or learned. Your eyes, brain, and hands must instantly and instinctively calculate speed, distance, angle, and lead . . . and if you try to do that consciously, you've missed the target or the bird already!
You have a nice example there of a Remington Autoloading shotgun! I have a 1928 Model 11 in 12 ga. (30'' full choke, plain barrel) and a 1947 Sportsman 3-shot in 16 ga. (28'' full choke, plain barrel). These were great guns!
Another great video Ivan, really loved the slow motion shot from the side. Years ago I saw a similar slow-mo on Forgotten Weapons, fell in love with long recoil and had to have one of these shotguns. You do a great job presenting these and I hope as you have time that you continue to make these videos. Really appreciated editor Ivan popping in to give proper credit to Remingtons role in the popularization of autoloading shotguns.
I didn't know I needed this series but I clicked on the video as soon as I saw it in my feed. Cannot wait for the next one. I also hope the printed airsoft trigger comes out soon
Mine is a 1907 made Autoloader with a replacement barrel from about the late 50's and a new Numerichs friction ring as the one it had was broken and as a kid the gun was the worst feeling shooting shotgun on earth. You did a great job on the history Ivan there isn't much on these guns concidering Remmington carried the A5 to where it is today. The "Suicide" safety is weird but even as under 10 year old kids we never had a Negligent discharge with that safety its not the biggest deal as long as you make the user aware.
I have one exactly like yours excpt for the thicker reinforced wood stock area. Stamped Remington UMC. Need a replacement magazine retaining screw for it. I believe my g-grandfather bought it new. Been shot a million times.
Hey Ivan, curious if you'd know but do most of the Auto-5 copies have different magazine caps? I (think) I have one of the ones marked Browning but produced by Remington during the 40s, and I've been trying to find a sling swivel cap that will actually fit but the 3 I've bought so far are all just off on length or some little difference. Thanks for these videos by the way!
The Browning and Remington magazine caps are one of the parts that are different. I seem to recall it being possible to modify one to work with the other, but it required some machine work.
Understandable. Sounds like not much you can do about it. I only recently found your channel and I'll watch you here while you're here. But if Player ever fixes their system, you'll get at least one view over there.
@20:45 "Of course this gun is choked full". Ahh! So, "Mohawk 48-11 guy" here again. I was told "older shotguns there were full chocked are very very choked, so don't shoot slugs or buckshot through them." What say you? My Mohawk is a 28" FULL Choke, and I've not shot buck or slugs through it due to that warning.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic regardless of how old it is, the rule of thumb is anything tighter than modified shouldn't have slugs shot through it, and probably shouldn't have buckshot through it either. Old shotguns aren't tighter constriction, but they do typically have softer steel barrels (which is why you shouldn't shoot steel shot through them) - so the rule of thumb definitely applies to them when it comes to slugs and buck. You can find slug-specific or cylinder/skeet bore barrels for shooting slugs/buck safely from older shotguns. I've definitely seen spare 11-48 / 48 sportsman/ Mohawk 48 barrels around, even on ebay.
@IvanPrintsGuns I've got it loaded with #4 birdshot/darn near bbs, which I'm sure would turn that unwelcome noise at the bottom of the stares into hamburger without too much trouble. 👍
please do the new A5 after the Auto 5 videos. I've seen some things about inertia being an advancement from the long recoil system, but I can't find any definitive info on where rotating bolt inertia shotguns come from. I know the Sjögren Inertia Shotgun was early, but it really seems to operate more like Garand's Primer-Activated action in the primer pressing the firing pin unlocks the bolt. I'm curious about the combination of inertia and a rotating bolt.
It was Bruno Civolani, who studied under Sjrogren, that developed it. He designed what is today known as the Benelli inertia system on his own, tried to sell it to Beretta, Franchi, Breda, etc, and eventually was able to strike a deal where Benelli would sell the guns and Breda would make most/all of the parts. Most of this history was documented by a Mister Andreev, you can find translated snippets of his biography of Civolani with Google.
I rebuilt one that had lawman on the barrel and it has a setting for high power shells or low power I think I set it on low power since I was going to shoot a low brass bird shot just to see how it would do it kicked so hard I put it up and never shot it again.
Hey Ivan just checking out the spreadsheet, just out of curiosity what was the reason that the super-lightweight auto-5 had a slightly lower score than the regular and lightweight in terms of the Ease of Detail and Field Strip, did something change in that model?
You should be able to click on the cells and see notes - some SLWs don't have the hole to remove the pin holding the locking block latch. So you have to remove the shell stop, then have a custom semicircular punch to get the bolt out of the gun. Took me about 6 hours to make the tools I needed to do it without boogering anything up.
Charles Daly also made one called the ''Pointer'', Western Field made one and there was a Japanese version as well whose name escapes me! All in 12 ga. only!
model 11s are remarkably affordable as far as semi-auto shotguns go. I like the ones with the suicide safety as i'm left handed. mine doesn't like light recoil birdshot shells no matter what config i have it the friction rings in
Does yours have a polychoke/brake on it? If not, are you already using grease on the tube? You can definitely get it to cycle light loads. I've had guns with really stiff friction systems where taking the steel tension ring off the brass ring was needed to get it to cycle 7/8oz loads.
@IvanPrintsGuns I do not have a choke/brake on it. I oiled it after purchasing it but I can give it a thorough greasing. I was using winchester AA low recoil/low noise shells. Normal birdshot ran flawlessly The magazine follower on mine also pushes too far forward after the gun is empty and rubs against the carrier latch/spring preventing the button that closes the bolt from working until the magazine follower is pushed back in the tube
i blame you for my rapidly expanding old shotgun collection. lol
nice to have a bunch of old shotguns. take non gun owner friends trap and skeet shooting. a great intro to the lifestyle
I've also got a pre-1911 Remington Model 11 "Auto-Loading Shotgun." The wood on it is beautiful (pretty sure the handguard is a replacement though) and the blueing is in fantastic condition. And I got it for a screaming deal to boot. Love that shotgun.
I have my Grandfathers, then Fathers Remington Model 11. From what I've been told by older family members, my Grandfather bought it brand new, back in 1935. My Dad took possession of it in 1971 (IIRC), after my Grandfather passed. I found out back in 1988 after I got out of the Army, that my Dad gave up hunting, and gave his 3 guns to my little brother. I asked him if he would sell it to me. He wouldn't. Yes, I was pissed to say the least! After my Dad passed in Sept. 2017, two months later, we went to Thanksgiving dinner at my brothers place. As we were leaving, my brother called for me to come back downstairs to the family room. I did. He reached into his gun safe, and handed me, the Model 11 and said, "Dad told me to give this to you after he died, and asked my brother to give it to me, after Dad passed. It is now my most prized firearm that I currently own. With the exception of a couple minor scratches in the finish of the stock,, everything else is in pristene condition! Like dang near brand spankin' new! My most favorite, easiest to aim, shotgun I own! Good video! Thank you.
That's a fine old pre-Model 11 in good working condition. I'm always fascinated with videos of anyone hitting flying targets -- actual doves or clays. Hitting a flying target is such an instinctive Zen magic that for many of us cannot be taught or learned. Your eyes, brain, and hands must instantly and instinctively calculate speed, distance, angle, and lead . . . and if you try to do that consciously, you've missed the target or the bird already!
You have a nice example there of a Remington Autoloading shotgun! I have a 1928 Model 11 in 12 ga. (30'' full choke, plain barrel) and a 1947 Sportsman 3-shot in 16 ga. (28'' full choke, plain barrel). These were great guns!
Another great video Ivan, really loved the slow motion shot from the side. Years ago I saw a similar slow-mo on Forgotten Weapons, fell in love with long recoil and had to have one of these shotguns.
You do a great job presenting these and I hope as you have time that you continue to make these videos. Really appreciated editor Ivan popping in to give proper credit to Remingtons role in the popularization of autoloading shotguns.
I didn't know I needed this series but I clicked on the video as soon as I saw it in my feed. Cannot wait for the next one. I also hope the printed airsoft trigger comes out soon
Thanks for helping me fix my broken one IvanN
Happy to hear that it's working!
Moving barrels, large springs, long recoil. I am a happy boy
Your making Othias cry, he wanted to do a shotgun series.
Love how when I Google browning auto 5, ivans short is one of the first images you see.
@@stonehalo1632 and it's not even actually an auto 5 at all in that video 😭
@@IvanPrintsGunstypical google.
You remind me of Ian McCollum from “Forgotten weapons”. Great review!
have one made in '32 in 20 gauge that I got for $200, love it.
Very very reliable and fun
Great video, sir! Thank you!
FWIW, a few drops of light motor oil on the magazine tube, works really well for mine.
Mine is a 1907 made Autoloader with a replacement barrel from about the late 50's and a new Numerichs friction ring as the one it had was broken and as a kid the gun was the worst feeling shooting shotgun on earth. You did a great job on the history Ivan there isn't much on these guns concidering Remmington carried the A5 to where it is today. The "Suicide" safety is weird but even as under 10 year old kids we never had a Negligent discharge with that safety its not the biggest deal as long as you make the user aware.
i highly recommend casiopea for more funky shooting segment background music jams
Not gonna lie. I was grooving to it.
Thank you for the video.
a friend has the military mod 11 has the flaming 💣 stamp on barrel & receiver
I have one exactly like yours excpt for the thicker reinforced wood stock area. Stamped Remington UMC. Need a replacement magazine retaining screw for it. I believe my g-grandfather bought it new. Been shot a million times.
Ivan would you consider making videos on gas shotguns and their development? Really loving this series of videos so far.
Is the browning gun the only one with the 2 piece lifter/elevator/carrier?
@@spuds3986 from the factory yes, but it can be installed into the clones still
Ppl say they jam bc they dont realize the brake ring can be repositioned for higher reliability at the expense of recoil 😒
Well, moreso that the brake system can be adjusted to account for the desired loads - most standard loads fall into "light" or "heavy" categories.
Hey Ivan, curious if you'd know but do most of the Auto-5 copies have different magazine caps? I (think) I have one of the ones marked Browning but produced by Remington during the 40s, and I've been trying to find a sling swivel cap that will actually fit but the 3 I've bought so far are all just off on length or some little difference. Thanks for these videos by the way!
The Browning and Remington magazine caps are one of the parts that are different. I seem to recall it being possible to modify one to work with the other, but it required some machine work.
This is great!
So many of these older shotguns have been very neglected. Have you posted any files for stocks and forearms for them?
Great video. I wish you still used your Playeur channel.
For some reason the integration/sync broke, and I've been unable to get in contact with them to get it fixed.
Understandable. Sounds like not much you can do about it. I only recently found your channel and I'll watch you here while you're here. But if Player ever fixes their system, you'll get at least one view over there.
@20:45
"Of course this gun is choked full".
Ahh! So, "Mohawk 48-11 guy" here again. I was told "older shotguns there were full chocked are very very choked, so don't shoot slugs or buckshot through them." What say you? My Mohawk is a 28" FULL Choke, and I've not shot buck or slugs through it due to that warning.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic regardless of how old it is, the rule of thumb is anything tighter than modified shouldn't have slugs shot through it, and probably shouldn't have buckshot through it either. Old shotguns aren't tighter constriction, but they do typically have softer steel barrels (which is why you shouldn't shoot steel shot through them) - so the rule of thumb definitely applies to them when it comes to slugs and buck. You can find slug-specific or cylinder/skeet bore barrels for shooting slugs/buck safely from older shotguns. I've definitely seen spare 11-48 / 48 sportsman/ Mohawk 48 barrels around, even on ebay.
@IvanPrintsGuns I've got it loaded with #4 birdshot/darn near bbs, which I'm sure would turn that unwelcome noise at the bottom of the stares into hamburger without too much trouble. 👍
please do the new A5 after the Auto 5 videos. I've seen some things about inertia being an advancement from the long recoil system, but I can't find any definitive info on where rotating bolt inertia shotguns come from. I know the Sjögren Inertia Shotgun was early, but it really seems to operate more like Garand's Primer-Activated action in the primer pressing the firing pin unlocks the bolt. I'm curious about the combination of inertia and a rotating bolt.
It was Bruno Civolani, who studied under Sjrogren, that developed it. He designed what is today known as the Benelli inertia system on his own, tried to sell it to Beretta, Franchi, Breda, etc, and eventually was able to strike a deal where Benelli would sell the guns and Breda would make most/all of the parts. Most of this history was documented by a Mister Andreev, you can find translated snippets of his biography of Civolani with Google.
I rebuilt one that had lawman on the barrel and it has a setting for high power shells or low power I think I set it on low power since I was going to shoot a low brass bird shot just to see how it would do it kicked so hard I put it up and never shot it again.
Hey Ivan just checking out the spreadsheet, just out of curiosity what was the reason that the super-lightweight auto-5 had a slightly lower score than the regular and lightweight in terms of the Ease of Detail and Field Strip, did something change in that model?
You should be able to click on the cells and see notes - some SLWs don't have the hole to remove the pin holding the locking block latch. So you have to remove the shell stop, then have a custom semicircular punch to get the bolt out of the gun. Took me about 6 hours to make the tools I needed to do it without boogering anything up.
Thanks for the reply, I was unable to open the notes on the phone version, but pulled them up on my laptop and was able to peruse them.
Weird that there is only 3 companies that ever made the auto fives. Or is that one only ones worth looking at?
Charles Daly also made one called the ''Pointer'', Western Field made one and there was a Japanese version as well whose name escapes me! All in 12 ga. only!
@ also something I found while looking is savage made a alloy auto-5 by the name of the savage 745.
model 11s are remarkably affordable as far as semi-auto shotguns go. I like the ones with the suicide safety as i'm left handed. mine doesn't like light recoil birdshot shells no matter what config i have it the friction rings in
Does yours have a polychoke/brake on it? If not, are you already using grease on the tube? You can definitely get it to cycle light loads. I've had guns with really stiff friction systems where taking the steel tension ring off the brass ring was needed to get it to cycle 7/8oz loads.
@IvanPrintsGuns I do not have a choke/brake on it. I oiled it after purchasing it but I can give it a thorough greasing. I was using winchester AA low recoil/low noise shells. Normal birdshot ran flawlessly
The magazine follower on mine also pushes too far forward after the gun is empty and rubs against the carrier latch/spring preventing the button that closes the bolt from working until the magazine follower is pushed back in the tube
WOOOOOOOOOOOO MORE SHOTGUN NERD CONTENT. LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
auto 6 when???
First one I had of these I got it for 90 bucks. Thought I got a deal.
The Samsara Shotgun.
I am so happy that millennials have showed us how us born before 1975 never knew. Geeezzzzz
I disagree with you on the suicide safety. Used my father's for years now and love them.
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Please buy a shop microphone 😭Your longform videos all sound like you are speaking from the shower