Nice vid mate keep it up. I am a policeman in Europe and where I work we do not routinely carry firearms but we do get issued a 16inch wooden truncheon similar to the billy club you have. In my opinion these types are better as like you say there is nothing to go wrong with it ss its a solid stick and because it is compact its more versatile to use in a confined space. Once again keep up the good work!!!
Here in Brazil, the name for police baton is "cassetete", from French "casse-tête", that means "head breaker". This is because our State Police was trained by French Army instructors up to when WWI beginned. They returned to France in 1914 to fight in the trenches. So, French terminology was incorporated to Brazilian police language. Usually our LE uses a bit shorter version of PR-24 (23"), because the average Brazilian is not too tall like an average American, or hard rubber 23-inch baton. Wooden batons were abolished in most states. Expandable batons are forbidden by internal regulations in some PD's, as well for private security (only wood and rubber batons are allowed by Private Security Law, from 1983 and still vigent).
To my knowledge a lot of the cam lock style batons will “fail safe” in the locked out position if the internals fail, so despite being silly long even when closed it should be ok. Personally I still prefer my old acrylic 24”. I know that is really unlikely to break or do anything weird.
A buddy of mine got rushed by an Inmate at close quarter. He had the short version of the baton, which he drew, extended and struck the inmate in the leg. Almost as if he used a light Saber. Utter destruction.
In my police equipment i have a riot baton, made of some kind of hard rubber, and some metal inside i think, its really heavy and flexible, that shit hurt af, and it is more intimidating than the retractable one, it disencourage any threats... Much better than the light plastic standard issue T baton, that let us down when needed...
I’m 6’4” and a cop and still wouldn’t carry that big ass black baton on regular patrol. Seems like it would be a huge pain in the butt. I have my grandfather’s baton from his State Police days (1950s-60s) and it’s my favorite. It’s around 26” long, oak with and literally just a hardened club. Resembles a longer version of that little black billy club.
2:16 earlier this year I bought a polycarbonate Monadnock brand TPS-36 riot baton, built largely like this wooden one with moulded grenade grips on each end. I had no idea until I saw your video that they were intended for holding people back. I thought they were designed that way so it didn't matter which end you grabbed and swung.
You may like the book basic stick fighting for combat by michael d. Echanis. The book teaches techniques for the batons you have and has a section for that little one they call it the bone breaker. The book was made rangers and seals but I think police would find value in it also.
You think any of these would be more practical for vehicle extraction or window punching so I don't have to sling open my asp baton? Maybe the tiny stubby one? Maybe I'm overthinking it and I should stick with my asp?.. Idk any old head insight would be greatful.
Nextool has pleasantly surprised me with their quality, what being made in China and all, another solid choice, [pun intended] is bonowi. Some say they are better than asp, another one I've ran into is united terra technologies [UTT] batons, I've read that someone branched out from monadnock and formed that company
The other main benefit for a short Billy club is that you can fight at long or close range without needing to change techniques.Someone can close in on you to neutralize a longer batons striking capabilities,forcing you to switch to grappling locks and butt strokes.
The pushback baton blows my mind. How does that work when people get agressive and start kicking and hitting you with objects or start throwing rocks bricks.. ? I'd prefer a good shield and a long striking baton (or asp baton would do the trick) You can close the line with the shields and start striking when people don't back off. Mace can be apllied where needed. Watercanons are highly effective in support. The views on crowd controle in US are so different from Europe. Check the streetbattles in Paris with the "Gillets Jaunes", those battles were ruthless..
@@adamwilson7811 The european city where I work has a large unit which is trained and equiped (amost exclusively) for crowd controle. They have squad vehicles which are fire/impact protected. These riot/crowd controle duties are consitered a basic police service overhere. Trunk space and money are not an issue overhere, it's regarded as a basic police duty since the 1800's 😀
Thats was a good video, also great timing too. Just a few days ago, there were some riots that were happening in my area (I live in Australia). While looking out my window, I saw how the police equipped themselves. Most of the police officers who were attending to the riot were all carrying solid fixed batons. There were some who had expandable batons on their belt, but even they were going for fixed solid batons. The only ones who were carrying expandable batons (16 inch ones) were the rear line or back up police officers who were doing the arrest. I also noticed that if were close up or in a crowd, the tended to use shorter Billy Clubs or Maglites.
Would like to buy the billy club style baton. I am a level 3 security officer in Texas and work mostly Gentlemens clubs. I think it would work better than my 16 in asp. Thanks for any info you can give me .
I work downtown Dallas and switched to a 29 inch Peacekeeper. It's a beast lol. I'll never touch asp again. I do miss my old 26 inch cocobolo straight stick tho.
Thoughts on the new ASP Keyless Double lock cuffs? I think is a great concept but a concearn of mine is that they look like they coud double lock "accidentaly" just by carrying or wrestling a suspect. That would obviously be VERY VERY BAD
@@lefunnyN1 Peacekeeper only sells to police or security with a baton certification. Anyone can buy a Banowi but the only distributor I found who had a full stock was in Canada.
@@jason4453 HOW ABOUT A "BO" STAFF AS WELL...WE CAN MAKE IT TMNT🐢!...LOL.😅 BUT IN FACT MY Q? WAS SERIOUS...WOULD LIKE TO SEE SIDE HANDLE TACTICS/REVIEW.
Hello. I believe that the History of The Baton started with The Irish Shillelagh & The Irish Walking Stick since they were are original Police Officers.🤔
I am a CO in europe, and I carrie a hard rubber or a wooden baton. Better Inês are wood, Its cheaper, stronger, wont fail you. And people talk about the sound of the expandable batons….but when you get hit with wood…that sound stays in your brain to😉
Mounted units need to switch to blunt heavy cavalry savers for riot control or if your in Russia they use fully sharpened and have no issues cutting violent protestors
@@russhamilton3800 I want to take some classes that actually looks fun. I wanna learn some takedowns. ☹ Staying on topic they make holsters in nylon, basket weave, leather For your department?
I'm a WWII reenactor, and we have an original 1940-vintage military police baton that we carry in impressions sometimes. It's made of beautifully polished mahogany, and we're 95% sure it has a lead shot filling. It's absolutely gorgeous, and the idea of using it on another human being scares the hell out of me (it's just too heavy to be reliably safe in my clueless, civilian opinion). Still, holding it you understand the full implication of the expression "mahogany shampoo." :-/
The old rubber German police batons have a fearsome reputation as well. I'd love to get my hands on one just to have a sample. Lots of things that seemed like a good idea in to 40's and 50's you just couldn't use in our litigus society today.
@@freefieldtraining I've never encountered one of those, but find some reenactor groups in your area and ask around. I'm sure somebody has one they'll let you examine.
@@freefieldtraining If you're willing to drive to MA to collect it and then to return it after a month or three, I can hook you up. With the mahogany one, I mean. ^_^
@asdrubale bisanzio It does. A decent tap to my own leg hurts like a mother. It's not as bad as a mace (I've used several types of those), but it's leaning in that direction.
In my short 4 years experience of LE. I’ve never seen a baton used for anything other than as a door knocker or glass breaker. It seems like no one wants to use it. In my opinion it’s nothing more than a weight.
The coffee sip intro never gets old
Nice vid mate keep it up.
I am a policeman in Europe and where I work we do not routinely carry firearms but we do get issued a 16inch wooden truncheon similar to the billy club you have. In my opinion these types are better as like you say there is nothing to go wrong with it ss its a solid stick and because it is compact its more versatile to use in a confined space. Once again keep up the good work!!!
Could you do a video comparing rigid batons to the pr-24? Advantages and disadvantages of both?
That’s a good idea, would also like to see a review of the PR-24 Expandable which isn’t very common these days.
Here in Brazil, the name for police baton is "cassetete", from French "casse-tête", that means "head breaker".
This is because our State Police was trained by French Army instructors up to when WWI beginned. They returned to France in 1914 to fight in the trenches. So, French terminology was incorporated to Brazilian police language.
Usually our LE uses a bit shorter version of PR-24 (23"), because the average Brazilian is not too tall like an average American, or hard rubber 23-inch baton. Wooden batons were abolished in most states.
Expandable batons are forbidden by internal regulations in some PD's, as well for private security (only wood and rubber batons are allowed by Private Security Law, from 1983 and still vigent).
Monadnock NYPD 26" Polycarbonate Baton, one of my favorites.
This guy reminds me of a Cop from Davis PD in Ca Thomas Waltz. He is a little person who's PR-24 dinged the curb when he stepped onto it.😂
To my knowledge a lot of the cam lock style batons will “fail safe” in the locked out position if the internals fail, so despite being silly long even when closed it should be ok. Personally I still prefer my old acrylic 24”. I know that is really unlikely to break or do anything weird.
The extensable riot baton seems more like a fishing rod
A buddy of mine got rushed by an Inmate at close quarter. He had the short version of the baton, which he drew, extended and struck the inmate in the leg. Almost as if he used a light Saber. Utter destruction.
@@russhamilton3800 Do you think all C.O's should be allowed to carry batons on their person as standard equipment?
In my police equipment i have a riot baton, made of some kind of hard rubber, and some metal inside i think, its really heavy and flexible, that shit hurt af, and it is more intimidating than the retractable one, it disencourage any threats... Much better than the light plastic standard issue T baton, that let us down when needed...
Hi man love your vids been watching them for a while keep it up😊
I’m 6’4” and a cop and still wouldn’t carry that big ass black baton on regular patrol. Seems like it would be a huge pain in the butt.
I have my grandfather’s baton from his State Police days (1950s-60s) and it’s my favorite. It’s around 26” long, oak with and literally just a hardened club. Resembles a longer version of that little black billy club.
2:16 earlier this year I bought a polycarbonate Monadnock brand TPS-36 riot baton, built largely like this wooden one with moulded grenade grips on each end. I had no idea until I saw your video that they were intended for holding people back. I thought they were designed that way so it didn't matter which end you grabbed and swung.
Very informative - thank you. Can you recommend any company that is still selling the thicker, wood, "swinging" baton? Thanks again.
You may like the book basic stick fighting for combat by michael d. Echanis. The book teaches techniques for the batons you have and has a section for that little one they call it the bone breaker. The book was made rangers and seals but I think police would find value in it also.
For duty ( police officer) and for IPSC what is the best??? Da/sa or strike fired? Of course i can buy one weapon and i will carry it everyday
You think any of these would be more practical for vehicle extraction or window punching so I don't have to sling open my asp baton? Maybe the tiny stubby one?
Maybe I'm overthinking it and I should stick with my asp?..
Idk any old head insight would be greatful.
Nextool has pleasantly surprised me with their quality, what being made in China and all, another solid choice, [pun intended] is bonowi. Some say they are better than asp, another one I've ran into is united terra technologies [UTT] batons, I've read that someone branched out from monadnock and formed that company
Whats is the material is make this smaller billy club? 8:41
The other main benefit for a short Billy club is that you can fight at long or close range without needing to change techniques.Someone can close in on you to neutralize a longer batons striking capabilities,forcing you to switch to grappling locks and butt strokes.
The pushback baton blows my mind. How does that work when people get agressive and start kicking and hitting you with objects or start throwing rocks bricks.. ? I'd prefer a good shield and a long striking baton (or asp baton would do the trick) You can close the line with the shields and start striking when people don't back off. Mace can be apllied where needed. Watercanons are highly effective in support. The views on crowd controle in US are so different from Europe. Check the streetbattles in Paris with the "Gillets Jaunes", those battles were ruthless..
You're right about the shields, but shields and long batons require more of two things, money and trunk space.
@@adamwilson7811 The european city where I work has a large unit which is trained and equiped (amost exclusively) for crowd controle. They have squad vehicles which are fire/impact protected. These riot/crowd controle duties are consitered a basic police service overhere. Trunk space and money are not an issue overhere, it's regarded as a basic police duty since the 1800's 😀
Where do you get the ones with the "rib-spreader" ends? I've been unable to locate them.
Grandpa's hippie stick wants to come out of retirement.
EXCELLENT FOR HANBO JITSU 👍
Great video, learn a lot.
11:58 Where can we find that little guy billy club? What company made it?
The expandable Baton it's annoying to close it you got to pound the floor several time till it closes.
Thats why you get one that used a button to close
@@syanwolfe7752 bump to that, we used the monadnock and love it.
@@russhamilton3800 I personally use an ASP infinity baton with the button. Works great
Thats was a good video, also great timing too. Just a few days ago, there were some riots that were happening in my area (I live in Australia). While looking out my window, I saw how the police equipped themselves. Most of the police officers who were attending to the riot were all carrying solid fixed batons. There were some who had expandable batons on their belt, but even they were going for fixed solid batons. The only ones who were carrying expandable batons (16 inch ones) were the rear line or back up police officers who were doing the arrest. I also noticed that if were close up or in a crowd, the tended to use shorter Billy Clubs or Maglites.
How effective are these in your opinion as compared to say pepper spray and stun devices/ electrical ?
Would like to buy the billy club style baton. I am a level 3 security officer in Texas and work mostly Gentlemens clubs. I think it would work better than my 16 in asp. Thanks for any info you can give me .
I work downtown Dallas and switched to a 29 inch Peacekeeper. It's a beast lol. I'll never touch asp again. I do miss my old 26 inch cocobolo straight stick tho.
Thoughts on the new ASP Keyless Double lock cuffs? I think is a great concept but a concearn of mine is that they look like they coud double lock "accidentaly" just by carrying or wrestling a suspect. That would obviously be VERY VERY BAD
What do you think of Tele-Tonfas?
Have you ever used a Peacekeeper RCB baton?
Those baTons are amazing. The Riverside County Sherrif's Department in CA where i grew up issued them and they WORK!!!
RCB and Bonowi seems to be the best
I have the 29 electroless nickle RCB and it's no joke. It's like swinging a crowbar lol. I almost bought the 26 Bonowi with a Radar holster.
@@saygoodnight2010 are there distributors that sell to individual clients?
@@lefunnyN1 Peacekeeper only sells to police or security with a baton certification. Anyone can buy a Banowi but the only distributor I found who had a full stock was in Canada.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GO OVER "SIDE HANDLE" OR "TONFA" STYLE BATONS?
he is reviewing riot batons
@@slamdancer1720 A TONFA/SIDE HANDLE, CAN BE USED FOR RIOTS AS WELL.
No Nunchucks either? ☹
@@jason4453 HOW ABOUT A "BO" STAFF AS WELL...WE CAN MAKE IT TMNT🐢!...LOL.😅
BUT IN FACT MY Q? WAS SERIOUS...WOULD LIKE TO SEE SIDE HANDLE TACTICS/REVIEW.
@@MA-lq6eb th-cam.com/video/lcdjGYJlNLc/w-d-xo.html
Hello. I believe that the History of The Baton started with The Irish Shillelagh & The Irish Walking Stick since they were are original Police Officers.🤔
How long is your tour now as a police officer?
What baton should i carry working as Security
There are versions of your wood w. leather thong baton that has the fluting at both ends, but thong only at one end.
Does anyone know where I can buy that small foot long baton?
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I am a CO in europe, and I carrie a hard rubber or a wooden baton. Better Inês are wood, Its cheaper, stronger, wont fail you. And people talk about the sound of the expandable batons….but when you get hit with wood…that sound stays in your brain to😉
Love the smallest one. What's the material it made of?
Most batons are made of wood or polycarbonate hard plastic.
Mounted units need to switch to blunt heavy cavalry savers for riot control or if your in Russia they use fully sharpened and have no issues cutting violent protestors
No side handle batons? dissaponiting... HA! nah man just kidding great video as always
No Nunchucks either? ☹
yep it will spread ribs...long one is for horse mounted use
Great video id probally carry the little skull crusher.
What is military nylon tonfa pr24
I love T design riot baton
I have never known anyone to carry that black style baton on regular patrol they are designed so that the same baton ring can hold them.
Where do the batteries go?
He didn't show the nunchucks? ☹
@@jason4453 does anyone use the OPN anymore?
@@russhamilton3800 th-cam.com/video/lcdjGYJlNLc/w-d-xo.html
And yes they have been used in riots. 🤔👍
@@russhamilton3800 I want to take some classes that actually looks fun.
I wanna learn some takedowns. ☹
Staying on topic they make holsters in nylon, basket weave, leather For your department?
I'm a WWII reenactor, and we have an original 1940-vintage military police baton that we carry in impressions sometimes. It's made of beautifully polished mahogany, and we're 95% sure it has a lead shot filling. It's absolutely gorgeous, and the idea of using it on another human being scares the hell out of me (it's just too heavy to be reliably safe in my clueless, civilian opinion). Still, holding it you understand the full implication of the expression "mahogany shampoo." :-/
The old rubber German police batons have a fearsome reputation as well. I'd love to get my hands on one just to have a sample. Lots of things that seemed like a good idea in to 40's and 50's you just couldn't use in our litigus society today.
@@freefieldtraining I've never encountered one of those, but find some reenactor groups in your area and ask around. I'm sure somebody has one they'll let you examine.
@@Archangelm127 I'd really love to have one on the shelf o fun behind me for videos. It would make an awesome talking point for q and a videos.
@@freefieldtraining If you're willing to drive to MA to collect it and then to return it after a month or three, I can hook you up. With the mahogany one, I mean. ^_^
@asdrubale bisanzio It does. A decent tap to my own leg hurts like a mother. It's not as bad as a mace (I've used several types of those), but it's leaning in that direction.
Deploy expandable batons upwards, not downwards. Now the length doesn't matter and it's ready to strike downwards saving you a step, and time.
I bought my own PR-24, but could not get certified and quit carrying it.
Why?
Rioters will not fear guns because they know that the police are mostly compassionate than some who are not. Batons are the best.
I’m a pr-24 guy myself
The only thing missing is the police nunchucks.
I gave the sarge a bamboo baton
Just want 2 said hello !
In my short 4 years experience of LE. I’ve never seen a baton used for anything other than as a door knocker or glass breaker. It seems like no one wants to use it. In my opinion it’s nothing more than a weight.
2020 wasn't 4 years ago already was it?
I dont see the ol' pr-24.
6:23:this looks wrong.Very wrong
After two years... I came to like your comment
The Police should learn how to use The Japanese "Hanbo" or the Hapkido "Middle Stick".🧐
As my daddy always made me say growing up...thank you sir, can I have another...video hahahaha
The pr 24 is the best and I carry it all the time
To keep rioters back, how about a John Deere combine?
Turn 20 rioters into 43 😅
@@kirastephenson7510 more like 430
@@user-zy7xy8sf9o I was quoting a couple of lines from The Wurzles - Combine harvester 😂 'I got twenty acres / An' you got forty-three'
Hanbo
Hickory Jesus is always at my side, MOVE BACK
Should've brought in a peacekeeper
I did and it's a whole different universe.
I know ASP is the gold standard for police collapsable batons, but whos the equivalent for the good old fashioned night stick?