JimmyDevere Since you live under a rock, you must be informed Ford still sells the F-150 with a V8 and it is easier to work on then the Tundra. Plus on top of the fact I’ve seen 200k first gen f150s ecoboost have no issues at all. The ford v8 is bulletproof as well.
Toyota definitely makes a great truck. I just bought a 2019 tundra 5.7 4x4. I definitely trust Toyota. I’ll never buy another ford. Been there twice. Never again.
JimmyDevere Ford still sells trucks with a v8. Also easier to work on then Toyota, which for some reason put the starter inside the V. Recently my friend had his diff for his Toyota Tundra break and after whatever fix under dealer warranty he bought they didn’t do it right. Though my friend claims it broke probably from launching it somehow.
Toyota Trucks and body on frame SUVs are very conservatively engineered. With DI, Cylinder Deactivation - including measures to quell noise and vibrations from 4cylinder mode add weight and complexity along with failure points. I applaud Toyota for such measures for long term durability, reliability, and ease of repair.
+Zack Zander I'm with jj on this one. I love it when they just keep taking baby steps. Ford for example is great at pushing forward, but every once and awhile their customers pay the price for it. Usually progress is great, but occasionally they move to fast and do a stupid because they overlooked a little thing.
Zack Zander the 90s american were the last of our good vehicles I'm a ford guy through and through had every domestic brand over 15 total vehicles but today a Toyota at 200k is a ford and gm at 150k and dodge at 100k as far as wear and I have three Ford's and one gm in my driveway so this is a totally unbiased opinion besides the fact that the i force v8 is a Yamaha designed engine which they are known for being reliable as a brand in general
I had a 2013 Tundra and now have a 2016 Tundra. I tow a 4000lb boat or an 8000lb travel trailer. I tend to tow 65mph or less with tow haul mode on and put the truck in 5th gear so it won't search back and forth between gears and mileage is much better than your test. I get 12-14 mpg towing the boat and 9.5-10mpg towing the camper. I am sure winter blend fuel has a negative impact on your test along with running 70mph with cruise control. My personal opinoin is to never use cruise towing and don't push past 65mph. I have had Chevy and Ford half tons in the past and prefer the Tundra for reliability.
+rumerboyz Traded it with just under 30,000 miles on my 2016 and had no issues. I planned to keep it a long time but i saw the larger fuel tank on 2016 and my trade in price I couldn't refuse. I would imagine I would have gone 80k miles before I would have needed brakes, my GM trucks were in the shop all the time for repairs and brake rotors were warped all the time. I'm not saying 3/4 ton trucks would have had these issues, but my 1/2 tons did. My truck is my daily driver so I prefer a half tons for the comfort and ride.
+rumerboyz Traded it with just under 30,000 miles on my 2016 and had no issues. I planned to keep it a long time but i saw the larger fuel tank on 2016 and my trade in price I couldn't refuse. I would imagine I would have gone 80k miles before I would have needed brakes, my GM trucks were in the shop all the time for repairs and brake rotors were warped all the time. I'm not saying 3/4 ton trucks would have had these issues, but my 1/2 tons did. My truck is my daily driver so I prefer a half tons for the comfort and ride.
I've got an 07 tundra and I find that when accelerating u use tow mode but when cruising on flat ground it does better with tow mode off. it shifts earlier and isn't so eager to downshift
My 80 k pounds Freightliner diesel semi truck gets 7.5 mpg when fully loaded driving 65mph.... same as Tundra pulling "empty" trailer lol. Cold weather decreases fuel economy. I own Tundra too and when I'm towing I try not to exceed 62 mph it will help with mpg hugely...
The colder the temperature, the more dense the air is, the more drag due to the surface area of the truck and trailer at high speed. So if tested at the same temperature I would expect better mpg. Thanks for the great videos. Keep up the great work!
+Shuffle3956 To be honest with you sir I only own GM trucks. I have owned them since new and can honestly say they have never let me down. I will never buy a new truck again until manufacturing jobs come back home. But even then there is to many electronics telling you that you are crossing the line, to close to a vehicle, back up cameras, etc. I am old school. I can back my truck up to my trailers one time and goon them up. I do not need a camera to guide me. Just my thoughts sir. Goodnight! Jim
+Shuffle3956 No sir! You are raised to love or hate a brand of trucks. I obviously was raised around GM. I have also owned a Ford which in my case was the biggest mistake I made. To each their own. Goodnight to you again. Jim
Remember 10 years ago when you could get Mcdonalds for $5, rent was under $1k, and trucks for under $30k? Our dollar is worthless nowadays, everything has damn near doubled in price
+parkourviewer It isn't just that. Car companies are dumping huge amounts of money into developing future drivetrains. They are getting that money by jacking up the price of their pickups and SUVs. Look at what the price of a Tahoe has done in the last few years. 5 years ago you cold pick up a well equipped Tahoe for $45K. Now it is more like $65K.
+1guyin10 Even better, I could've gotten a fully loaded, top of the line F150 for about $9000 back in the 70's. Now it'll cost $70000 for the same kind of truck. I could've done the same in the 90's for about $15000. It's not just the cost of future development, consumers are stupid. There's no way in hell that a new truck has $40-50000 worth of features. They are worth about half of what people buy them for. I bought my truck new in 05 for $29000 after a $3000 rebate. My same truck today costs closer to $42-45000. But it doesn't matter, manufacturers will continue to raise the prices of trucks because damn idiots will keep buying them at those inflated prices.
+parkourviewer, You are absolutely correct. And the situation continues getting worse. I remember back in 90 or 91, I was listening to a radio show which was hosted by a consumer advocate kind of guy. One episode he had a U.S. congressman as a guest. The congressman said that at that time, the real value of the U.S. dollar (and how that is calculated, I do not know) was eighteen cents. Just a few years ago, back in 2009 or early 2010, some congressman on CSPAN said that it was now 4.5 cents. So, when people complain about the price of something, it is (in my opinion) mostly because of the value of our money.
Good video. My personal experience towing with a 2020 SR5 Crew cab (TRD Sport. 4.30axle. Front/rear sway bars w/CAI): at 5700ft above sea level, I get 11.4 to 12 mpg. I pull a Lance 1985 loaded down... about 4800lbs my best guess. I use top tier fuel too. It pulls my Lance effortlessly. Family of 4 and the truck bed loaded down too. I can tow at 70/75mph and it glides. The aerodynamics of the Lance is a major plus too. Around town, I get 15.6 to 16.8mpg w/out pulling. ALSO, IT'S MADE IN USA. TX. :) 73.5% of the parts made in the USA too. Compare that to the domestics.
I towed a trailer easily weighing in excess of 7500 lbs from New Jersey to Colorado in my 2002 4runner and I averaged 13-14MPG. I kind of understand what you're doing here, but when you are towing a heavy trailer you shouldn't be racing to highway speeds or cruising up hill @4000+RPM. My truck went over 4k rpm maybe three times during the 1700+ mile trip...the people behind me can wait.
winter temperatures negatively impact fuel economy. Although everyone knows this truck is thirsty, you guys need to realize that you can lose 20% efficiency to the cold very easily. for example my 2014 civic gets 5.8 litres burnt to every 100km traveled in the summer at around 15°c but in the winter at the same speed with a temperature of -15°c is getting 7 litres of fuel burnt over 100km. I know most are Americans but percentage wise the values scale equally so you don't need to convert to understand the difference. ps my speed was 110kmh which is about 69mph.
+larry Spiller The cold air has nothing to do with it, in fact most motors like the cold provided they have time to get to operating temperature first. The roads are bare and there appears to be minimal variables compared to the Tacoma. The reason people get worse economy in the winter is due to fighting snow, slush, slipping around, and that people let their cars idle before to warm up the heaters.
drakore244 i drive in the cold at least 6 months a year, even if you warm up to operating temperature and reset your mileage it doesn't help and on any highway drive your up to operating temps in 5-10km max.
You CAN adjust the headlights height on my 2015 Sierra Denali by popping the hood and turning the adjustment screw they put right up top of headlight assembly. There are holes on both sides that you just stick a medium sized Phillips screwdriver in and turn!
Thanks for the comparison. At least the Tundra was not worse on the mileage. I have a 2014 Tacoma, TRD Sport, 4x4 and have thought of trading in and trading up; most notably for the tow weight factor. One suggestion I can make is do the tests without using Cruise Control. Many of us with Tacoma's will tell you, the gas mileage is worse using CC versus using the gas pedal manually. I get 20-21 MPG, unloaded/no towing, and that's with an ARB front bumper, FabFour rear bumper and a slightly heavier lift/suspension. I've conducted several test of CC versus manual and when I use CC, I only get 17-18 MPG. I truly think is because, the test route I used (a 3 hr drive from my house to my folks), I know the road and can assess when to start giving gas before a hill really starts. Cruise control only know the hill exists, once they truck is there, so more gas and power are used instantaneously to get up the hill. I just towed an 18' Winnebago Winnie Drop from SF Bay Area to Arches National Park, and averaged 9.4 - 10.2 MPG towing, using 91 Octane. I'm torn as I like off road and the Tacoma is a great size for that, but I like the Tundra for towing more weight. Only a foot difference in length, but I didn't see many large trucks on the back roads of Moab UT; 90% were Jeeps (Rubicons and Sahara) and Tacoma. Thanks again.
I own one of these trucks and the engine may fetch poor fuel economy but it runs like a beast. I bet that you could tow twice what the truck is rated to tow without any trouble.
Had a Tacoma Crew 4wd manual transmission, other than poor fuel mileage, rust and comfort it was a great truck! After 2 years and my wife hated the truck so bad I traded it, will have to say I got what I paid trade in value, loved my 2002 Tacoma that I drove 12 years, figured Tacoma’s are built for young people that can sleep on a couch and never complain, not old men that wake up at 4:30, as you get older comfort becomes more and more important. I love my F150, but really like the light blue Tundras I see on the road and compared to the ecoboost they sound so good!
My 2016 Tundra SR5 that I use to tow my boat, a 24' Cuddy Cabin sport cruiser, gets 17.8MPG. I DON'T use cruise control, due to the fact that every little incline will cause transmission to go in to over drive. Some steeper incline jacks it up to nearly WOT, therefore gulping down more gas. Boat + trailer= @6000Lbs. My normal work commute, @195 miles per day, average @20.1MPG.
+matt4270 I was wondering the same thing. I would like to see them do the same non-towing loop on the 2016 Tacoma to see what the MPG is compared to the 2015 model
guys. I have a 2017 Tacoma. In temps below about 45 degrees, my truck averages about 19mpg combined. But in warmer temps, the truck averages 21.5. I only use Shell Premium and drive the same route. Something makes the engine run way more richer, apparently even after it is warmed up. The truck gets driven about 27 miles each way back and forth to work. Combination city and interstate driving.
I had a 2017 Tacoma Limited and now a nice low miles used 2016 Tundra. There is no contest on what is better for towing. I could care less about the gas mileage. The Tundra is a beast towing, the Tacoma is great for a homeowner who needs to make a trip to Home Depot for new blinds :-)
One thing my brothers tundra has that the other brands don't is adjustable headlights. when you have a loaded trailer and the truck squats hit a button and adjust the headlights... why doesn't everyone do this?
The Underwood's - - He meant they are slowly coming around and adding features that truck drivers like and expect. This was in reference to non-ergonomic placement of controls like the side mirror adjustment switches and trailer brake controller. If you're gonna super-size everything for a truck, then you have to carefully think out instrument and control placement. But Toyota is newer to this game than the Domestics so it is behind the times on these fronts, playing catch up. That's not a hater dig. I drive a Taco Prerunner. It's just being honest.
Toyota may make a decent truck but they are under equipped and in major need of a updated interior and motor. They are over priced for what they are for the fact they cant haul as much as a domestic truck and they make less power and cant haul as much. Toyota needs a overhaul on this truck its the same damn truck from 2007
Dirty Dan EG some people like myself look for reliability. I had a 2014 ram hemi. It broke. Had the heads replaced at 45k. It got 12-14 mpg at 60 mph. My 2016 ford eb was in the shop for little problems every few months. Back up camera quit. Coil packs would go out. Sync system would freeze. Windshield wiper motor went out. Window switches on driver and passenger side were replaced. At 26k I gave up. My 2019 tundra has been good to me so far. It’s a simple truck but it just does what I need without complaints. Pulled a 8k car trailer this weekend got 12 mpg. Went to the lake got 19.5 mpg empty on the two lane at 58 mph on cruise. I don’t feel it under performs at all. It’s quiet and comfortable. Oh and I paid 10k less than a comparable domestic truck. Even included adaptive cruise.
billy ???? The Hemi is a fairly reliable engine and The ecoboost is reliable also besides the extra variable on maintaining a turbo. Either you are lying about the trucks you have had or you had some really bad luck. The biggest concern for the Ford and Ram is electrical issues. The Tundra is a great truck with less bells and whistles.
I towed a 3500 lb trailer from VA to Fla. with a Tacoma gas mileage was poor what was worse was the the performance. I was barely able to do the speed limit (65mph), Traded for a Tundra, May not get better gas mileage, but the performance is there
Air temp makes a big difference in MPG from both the wind resistance and the engines intake end of it, if the air going into the airbox is cold the throttle body doesnt need to open as much for a given power output and this causes a higher vacuum for a given speed and high vacuum is engine air drag losing mpg, that's why any super mpg hipermiler will build a warm air intake, thin warm air flows easier than cold thick air .
I’m just towing probably full bed of tools, sometimes trash, materials/pallets, trucks are getting too expensive for work.. I still want a newer tundra since my 1st gen 4.7 is a warrior even had a v6 company tundra with flat bed hauling up to 2 pallets of stone only problem is suspension with all that weight but they’re really reliable
I have a '10 4wd Tundra with a 2 in. lift. I pull a not so aerodynamic travel trailer that is almost 1000 lbs. heavier and at 65 mph I avg. between 9.0-9.5 mpg. How were they driving to get such crummy mpg?
+320dak Driving like morons just like every other vehicle reviewer shows do. That's why none of these car review shows are worth watching for someone in the market for a vehicle because these shows don't own the vehicles they drive them totally different than a regular driver would.
***** Longer idling/warm up times and colder temperatures use more fuel...but that anchor they are pulling around will certainly bring down fuel economy no matter what you are towing it with. Its like pulling a wall around behind you.
I’m thinking of getting a tundra for a daily driver but I never tow anything ! But I do go camping a lot so I’d utilize the bed.. I also want a reliable truck! any suggestions thoughts ?
I am not sure one loop and one fill up is a "real world" mpg test. My 2014 Tundra (5.7L) with 4x4 Offroad package towed a 8000 lb Airstream cross country (from MD to NV and back) and averaged 9-10mpg while towing. It did great fourwheeling in UT and NV in the backcountry desert. I do love and watch most of your videos - keep em coming!
I am curious as to why it was revving so high at 70 mph? Mine sits at about 2200 at 70 not 3000. We only use the tow/haul if it is laboring for some reason like terrain or too heavy a load. I didn't see either in this video. ?
mrvoyagerm - - 10:56 The driver said it was all over the place, from 1900 downhill to 3100 uphill. So they were facing some uneven terrain. But more importantly, Toyota CC hunts like crazy, and drops a gear and revs way up, way too often. And I can see the fuel gauge noticeably drop every single time it does so. So I just use CC in the flats, but leave it off in the hills.
I commented here three months ago and have since towed greater weight with my 2014 Tacoma TRD Sport. I was towing a Winnebago Winnie Drop at 2,364 lbs and only got about 8 - 10 mpg. I will note again, these tests should not be done on Cruise Control as the mileage is worse when using CC; I know this from experience. I just completed a maiden voyage towing a new 19' Airstream, weighing 1,500 lbs more than my Winnebago. As many Airstreamers noted, my mileage rose. I was average 12.5 mpg, and got a high of 13.8 mpg. The Tacoma pulled the trailer up to 75 mph on flat road in Idaho & Nevada easily. On 6% grades, I was pulling uphill at 65 mph. One thing not mentioned by these guys is, at least on the Tacoma, you can't tow in standard drive. The Toyota Manual clearly states to pull in 4th gear (not 4WD, but 4th gear). This avoids the revving up and down of the engine on hills. Have to say, my only reason to go up to a Tundra would be a larger trailer as the Tacoma can tow up to 6,500 lbs, but my Toyota contacts tell me, that it's actually 7,500, but Toyota has attemped to lower the liability factor by keeping owners well away from the max load. To throw out when considering Fords, Chevy and others, I was just in Moab also, and I drove a Tundra TRD Pro, which cleared everything on the Tower Arch Trail. In our group, the Ford F150 did not and took more time to clear the trail. We later used a Ford Raptor (handled beautifully), but it too came real close to bottoming out. I will say the Tundra rides rougher off-road.
+Gage Davis if I drive at 75mph in my caravan with cement in the back I get like 10L/100k but if I drive at 55-60 I get like 8.8, engine rpm is key my engine stays in the highest gear at 55-60 but at 70mph it keeps switching from high to low
A couple of things: 1.Tundra Tow mirrors are available factory and Toyota isn't "Getting there". They have been There! 2. The Tundra gets a lot better mileage without using cruise control and tow haul mode, both mode rev the motor up. Tow haul revs out the gears for most power, while cruise control doesn't hold a gear up hills, instead downshifts needlessly( My opinion is the cruise logic sucks on most Toyota trucks, especially when towing). As stated by other comments, you can just manually shift to hold a gear and modulate the speed with a light gas foot to keep your speed. ( I do this all the time)
Joseph Lombardo It's okay. Tundra owners give the rest of us a good laugh. You think you have something great, what you've actually got is something less than mediocre at best and shitty at worst.
well, it's new, cold, winter fuel, higher elevation, extremely heavy, and when you hit a big hill, the Tundra will have an easier time getting up it. aerodynamics and 1400lbs heavier is also a major factor, 4:30 gear, and 2 more cylinders...that's a Lot of things to consider.
I have a 2006 Toyota tundra that has TRD, what is the difference between my tundra and the 2016 tundra? obviously the newer model is different but what other features does the 2016 tundra have compared to the 2006 tundra?
Y'all might think about welding in a few low tie off points in that trailer. If anything happened you always want your load tied down, so you know they won't move.
yes, ram and chevy have cylinder deactivation; however, that has been known for years now to be a huge failure point. They have rollers on the lifters that ride on the cam shaft that fail, and score the cams and ruin the engine. Please avoid those.
Wow. I have a '16 Tacoma TRD Off Road that I just pulled a mini camper, 3400 lbs, down for Bueno Vista, cotton wood canyon, to Pueblo and it was killing that 3.5. Headed down hill, following the Arkansas on hwy 50 and the Taco was downshifting to maintain the speed limit. Very disappointed in the 3.5. Have been looking at a '16 Tundra TRD OR and now I am a bit suspect. The Tundra would obviously not sweat 3500 lbs like the Taco, but the same MPG is odd. Must be the 4:30 rear end. The Tundra should pull like a beast. Excellent vid.
I wonder if having an more broken in motor matters much? I have a 2013 Tundra Rock Warrior with 48k on the clock. I pulled a 5,100lb car trailer to the track and back (245 miles) and managed a very respectable 12.7 MPG running 87 octane.
11.8 mpg Pueblo, Monarch Pass, Gunnison/Blue Mesa. 3500 lbs and the speed limit. Bottom of the pass to the top it was 8.8. Altitude takes quite a bit out of MPG, HP, etc...
85 octane wow, our low grade is 87, 89,then 93 premium at shell stations midwest. were at $1.70 gallon regular. but dont get used to it,they just lifted the ban on U.S exports of oil. so now i guess were selling to china and mexico so the prices r gonna go up here in U.S.A.
The Ford F-250/350 6.2 gas also comes with an optional 4.30 gearing and both Dodge and both Chevy/GMC 3/4-ton gas trucks have a 4.10 gear ratio (optional and standard, respectively), which is comparable to a 4.30. Your blanket statement indicating that no other 1/2 or 3/4-ton truck comes close to a 4.30 rear end is invalid.
BIG Fan of the show guys!.....but if it make any difference the true mpg is 8.15 and not 7.96.....check out the gallon @12:31, it clearly state 12.031 and not 12.31!
You should have used the TRD Off-road package vs. the Pro. I believe the Pro has a lower towing capacity and more squat and also, I am betting the Taco had the Off-road package vs the Pro as well.
I like Mr. Trucks view. Truck needs to work and do its job. That's the main thing. Doo Dad options only end up on my rig if Its a heck of a deal anyway. At the end of the day, it just needs to work well and be easy to work on. Good job guys. This is cool stuff.
TFL Truck: Just curious, did you have "ECT Power" on during this test? I doubt it would have made any difference to the outcome of the test, but it does perform similarly to a "tow/haul" mode on other trucks. I own the very truck you tested and and have found that ECT power changes shift points around the same way tow/haul mode does. But as I said, I don't think it would have helped fuel economy at all since the Tacoma was never hunting for gears anyway.
With all the Diesel trucks coming in swing i wonder how the Tundra would do with the 4.5L V8 D4D engine that's available in de LC V8 in Europe , it has 286hp & 650Nm (480 ft-lb) however updated it should be around 315hp & 685Nm (505 ft-lb) that should be enough & with the upgraded fuel tank it should get far better economy & range ...
I wanna see proof of the trailer brake controller... It didn't exist in the 2015's even though they had them listed on the window stickers. Toyota sent me a $200 check after filing a complaint and having to install an after market brake controller.
I own a 2001 Tundra and bought it used in 2003. It's been a bumper to bumper/inside&out, trouble free truck from the day I drove it home. It still runs strong and the only reason I'm shopping for a new truck is because I would like a little more towing capacity. My only complaint about the Tundra is they don't have a long bed option.
Auto up/down windows and auto headlights is not "all that fancy stuff" its things you expect on a $50k truck. I have these things on my camry. Toyota is in the market to give you less for more. Not to mention that they still don't have a diesel in the states which is why I don't even care about the Tundra or Tacoma. Bought my last toyota truck years ago after buying new ones since the early 80's.
I live in the northeast and 87 octane is the lowest grade available unless you go with e85. I have to use 91 octane which is considered mid-grade. Does anyone know why they are tiered differently?
E85 is 100-105 octane. It's 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline, hence it's called E85. You must have a flex-fuel vehicle to run this fuel. I have noticed that the lower octane tiers in places at higher elevation. I'm in central Texas and we have 87, 89, and 93. 91 octane premium seems to be common on the west coast. In west Texas, I've seen 86, 89, and 91. Don't know if it has to do with elevation, but that is the correlation I've observed.
Gerrit Zieleman Here in the US and Canada, we have a different method of calculating octane. Most European countries use RON (Research Octane Number) which is a few points higher than AKI (Anti Knock Index) used here.
I wonder if having a more broken in motor matters much? I have a 2013 Tundra Rock Warrior with 48k on the clock. I pulled a 5,100lb car trailer to the track and back (245 miles) and managed a very respectable 12.7 MPG running 87 octane. Also in Northern Colorado so pulling on virtually the same roads as TFL Truck.
It is always a pleasure to see your videos. It would be much better if you can improve the sound quality of the in car conversations. Keep doing the best job. We love your videos.
I recently bought a 2016 SR5 4WD DC. I have the original tire size. I did my first test for all-town driving (many suburban traffic lights and no freeway). I drove like an old lady with a very light foot because I wanted to see how good I could get. The dash gauge said 12.0 MPG, but I did the math ... 10.75! Luckily, I have a small Mazda for around-town driving. I'll be taking a road trip in a few months with 400 miles of all freeway. I will only drive 60 MPH. This fugger better get at least 15 MPG, or I'll be seriously bummed. I knew the Tundra's gas mileage sucks, but not this bad. Every car/truck I've ever owned got what the sticker said it would get. This thing is supposed to be 13 in town and 17 on freeway.
Also selling my 2013 rock warrior for a 2017 f150 ecoboost was a huge mistake. Ecoboost has stalling problems relating to the throttle body that ford won't address and leaves you to deal with a truck you can't trust.My f150 literally broke down the very first time I towed with it ...8k on the odometer and ruined my vacation.
Using higher octane gas doesn't help. In fact it hurts your fuel economy because higher octane gas has less energy per gallon, meaning your engine has to burn more gas to get the same power. The only time you need high octane gas is if your engine is turbo/super charged, or has high compression ratios. If your engine is designed for 85 or 87, then run that. You'll get more power and better fuel economy.
In this instance on flat ground, would it be ok to run this truck in o/d to lower the rpm provided the vehicle doesn't lug or downshift on it's own? I'd think this would conserve fuel considerable when maintaining speed on flat ground.
430 axle ratio helps the powertrain so it don't have to work as hard on acceleration To me there is value in a long lasting well built truck over the latest wizz bang features that may or may not go the distance.
RPM going pass 4K+... what were you guys doing? Climbing a steep mountain side, racing, or using cruise control? I assumed it must be cruise control, but who the heck really tow using cruise control unless it's flat straight road.
If two or three other people are filling up the same time as you are the pump will go slower and you will get most likely more fuel in before the click off
Tundra 8 MPG. 2017 Ford F150 at 9 MPG for $64K. I'll take the Tundra. A real V8 and solid drivetrain with 10.5" ring gear and 4.30 rear end.
And better resale.
Just looked there's a ton of 15k-39k miles couple years old for $34,000! THAT'S a steal.
JimmyDevere Since you live under a rock, you must be informed Ford still sells the F-150 with a V8 and it is easier to work on then the Tundra. Plus on top of the fact I’ve seen 200k first gen f150s ecoboost have no issues at all. The ford v8 is bulletproof as well.
Toyota definitely makes a great truck. I just bought a 2019 tundra 5.7 4x4. I definitely trust Toyota. I’ll never buy another ford. Been there twice. Never again.
JimmyDevere Ford still sells trucks with a v8. Also easier to work on then Toyota, which for some reason put the starter inside the V. Recently my friend had his diff for his Toyota Tundra break and after whatever fix under dealer warranty he bought they didn’t do it right. Though my friend claims it broke probably from launching it somehow.
I'll take the bad fuel mileage it's a truck the quality that you get out of these trucks are worth it
Toyota Trucks and body on frame SUVs are very conservatively engineered. With DI, Cylinder Deactivation - including measures to quell noise and vibrations from 4cylinder mode add weight and complexity along with failure points. I applaud Toyota for such measures for long term durability, reliability, and ease of repair.
They're no more reliable than the American brands these days. Back in the 90s they had something, aside from the frames rotting out.
+Zack Zander I'm with jj on this one. I love it when they just keep taking baby steps. Ford for example is great at pushing forward, but every once and awhile their customers pay the price for it. Usually progress is great, but occasionally they move to fast and do a stupid because they overlooked a little thing.
Zack Zander the 90s american were the last of our good vehicles I'm a ford guy through and through had every domestic brand over 15 total vehicles but today a Toyota at 200k is a ford and gm at 150k and dodge at 100k as far as wear and I have three Ford's and one gm in my driveway so this is a totally unbiased opinion besides the fact that the i force v8 is a Yamaha designed engine which they are known for being reliable as a brand in general
Michael Bradley 90s fords and reliable don’t belong in the same sentence.
I had a 2013 Tundra and now have a 2016 Tundra. I tow a 4000lb boat or an 8000lb travel trailer. I tend to tow 65mph or less with tow haul mode on and put the truck in 5th gear so it won't search back and forth between gears and mileage is much better than your test. I get 12-14 mpg towing the boat and 9.5-10mpg towing the camper. I am sure winter blend fuel has a negative impact on your test along with running 70mph with cruise control. My personal opinoin is to never use cruise towing and don't push past 65mph. I have had Chevy and Ford half tons in the past and prefer the Tundra for reliability.
How did your 2013 tundra hold up? brakes and repairs? thanks
+rumerboyz Traded it with just under 30,000 miles on my 2016 and had no issues. I planned to keep it a long time but i saw the larger fuel tank on 2016 and my trade in price I couldn't refuse. I would imagine I would have gone 80k miles before I would have needed brakes, my GM trucks were in the shop all the time for repairs and brake rotors were warped all the time. I'm not saying 3/4 ton trucks would have had these issues, but my 1/2 tons did. My truck is my daily driver so I prefer a half tons for the comfort and ride.
+rumerboyz Traded it with just under 30,000 miles on my 2016 and had no issues. I planned to keep it a long time but i saw the larger fuel tank on 2016 and my trade in price I couldn't refuse. I would imagine I would have gone 80k miles before I would have needed brakes, my GM trucks were in the shop all the time for repairs and brake rotors were warped all the time. I'm not saying 3/4 ton trucks would have had these issues, but my 1/2 tons did. My truck is my daily driver so I prefer a half tons for the comfort and ride.
+J Friday good to hear. just bought my first Toyota, 2014 Tundra. Have just over 14,000 miles with no real issues.
I've got an 07 tundra and I find that when accelerating u use tow mode but when cruising on flat ground it does better with tow mode off. it shifts earlier and isn't so eager to downshift
My 80 k pounds Freightliner diesel semi truck gets 7.5 mpg when fully loaded driving 65mph.... same as Tundra pulling "empty" trailer lol. Cold weather decreases fuel economy. I own Tundra too and when I'm towing I try not to exceed 62 mph it will help with mpg hugely...
The colder the temperature, the more dense the air is, the more drag due to the surface area of the truck and trailer at high speed. So if tested at the same temperature I would expect better mpg. Thanks for the great videos. Keep up the great work!
I agree with Mr. Truck. Less is better in my opinion
+Shuffle3956 I was not comparing the two trucks. Less electrical options equals less problems later on. Simplicity and reliability is what I want
+Shuffle3956 I do as well. All my trucks have well over 250k miles and run like new.
+Shuffle3956 To be honest with you sir I only own GM trucks. I have owned them since new and can honestly say they have never let me down. I will never buy a new truck again until manufacturing jobs come back home. But even then there is to many electronics telling you that you are crossing the line, to close to a vehicle, back up cameras, etc. I am old school. I can back my truck up to my trailers one time and goon them up. I do not need a camera to guide me. Just my thoughts sir. Goodnight! Jim
+scrimmy6969 hook them up
+Shuffle3956 No sir! You are raised to love or hate a brand of trucks. I obviously was raised around GM. I have also owned a Ford which in my case was the biggest mistake I made. To each their own. Goodnight to you again. Jim
At 12:31 in the video, the pump is showing 12.031 gallons added yet you state 12.31 thus your calculation is wrong.
Correct. The correct mpg is 8.15mpg.
+Larry Binder Thanks for catching this. We've added an annotation to the video to reflect this calculation.
+The Fast Lane Truck get rid of the jackals Roman. He's such a dick head.
how coincidental 12:31, 12.31, and 12.031
This is done in the winter with winter blend fuels. Iv consistently got 2-3 mpg less in the winter with every truck Iv ever owned.
You should try hiding your hatred for imports a little better. Keeps coming up in all your reviews that are not domestic vehicles.
He is American, keep that in mind.
Remember 10 years ago when you could get Mcdonalds for $5, rent was under $1k, and trucks for under $30k? Our dollar is worthless nowadays, everything has damn near doubled in price
+parkourviewer It isn't just that. Car companies are dumping huge amounts of money into developing future drivetrains. They are getting that money by jacking up the price of their pickups and SUVs. Look at what the price of a Tahoe has done in the last few years. 5 years ago you cold pick up a well equipped Tahoe for $45K. Now it is more like $65K.
+1guyin10 Even better, I could've gotten a fully loaded, top of the line F150 for about $9000 back in the 70's. Now it'll cost $70000 for the same kind of truck. I could've done the same in the 90's for about $15000. It's not just the cost of future development, consumers are stupid. There's no way in hell that a new truck has $40-50000 worth of features. They are worth about half of what people buy them for. I bought my truck new in 05 for $29000 after a $3000 rebate. My same truck today costs closer to $42-45000. But it doesn't matter, manufacturers will continue to raise the prices of trucks because damn idiots will keep buying them at those inflated prices.
+parkourviewer, You are absolutely correct. And the situation continues getting worse. I remember back in 90 or 91, I was listening to a radio show which was hosted by a consumer advocate kind of guy. One episode he had a U.S. congressman as a guest. The congressman said that at that time, the real value of the U.S. dollar (and how that is calculated, I do not know) was eighteen cents. Just a few years ago, back in 2009 or early 2010, some congressman on CSPAN said that it was now 4.5 cents. So, when people complain about the price of something, it is (in my opinion) mostly because of the value of our money.
I wonder what the price of trucks would be if people couldn't lease or finance and had to pay cash. I predict the prices would be a lot lower.
So have wages..
that tundra looks bad ass
not the Fuel Economy lol
no it doesn't foriegn bull shit
lol
There made and built in Texas..
hTran7 not for towing, compare to Nissan and the tundras more than triples the titan
Good video.
My personal experience towing with a 2020 SR5 Crew cab (TRD Sport. 4.30axle. Front/rear sway bars w/CAI): at 5700ft above sea level, I get 11.4 to 12 mpg. I pull a Lance 1985 loaded down... about 4800lbs my best guess. I use top tier fuel too. It pulls my Lance effortlessly. Family of 4 and the truck bed loaded down too. I can tow at 70/75mph and it glides. The aerodynamics of the Lance is a major plus too.
Around town, I get 15.6 to 16.8mpg w/out pulling.
ALSO, IT'S MADE IN USA. TX. :) 73.5% of the parts made in the USA too. Compare that to the domestics.
I towed a trailer easily weighing in excess of 7500 lbs from New Jersey to Colorado in my 2002 4runner and I averaged 13-14MPG. I kind of understand what you're doing here, but when you are towing a heavy trailer you shouldn't be racing to highway speeds or cruising up hill @4000+RPM. My truck went over 4k rpm maybe three times during the 1700+ mile trip...the people behind me can wait.
7500# with a 4 runner? Do you have a death wish?
Get the fù'k out da way old fart
winter temperatures negatively impact fuel economy. Although everyone knows this truck is thirsty, you guys need to realize that you can lose 20% efficiency to the cold very easily. for example my 2014 civic gets 5.8 litres burnt to every 100km traveled in the summer at around 15°c but in the winter at the same speed with a temperature of -15°c is getting 7 litres of fuel burnt over 100km. I know most are Americans but percentage wise the values scale equally so you don't need to convert to understand the difference. ps my speed was 110kmh which is about 69mph.
and also my drive is a loop 53km their and 53 back
+larry Spiller The cold air has nothing to do with it, in fact most motors like the cold provided they have time to get to operating temperature first. The roads are bare and there appears to be minimal variables compared to the Tacoma. The reason people get worse economy in the winter is due to fighting snow, slush, slipping around, and that people let their cars idle before to warm up the heaters.
+drakore244 I agreed with you.
drakore244 i drive in the cold at least 6 months a year, even if you warm up to operating temperature and reset your mileage it doesn't help and on any highway drive your up to operating temps in 5-10km max.
i have tried, the engine will feel more powerful but the economy is most definitely affected
You CAN adjust the headlights height on my 2015 Sierra Denali by popping the hood and turning the adjustment screw they put right up top of headlight assembly. There are holes on both sides that you just stick a medium sized Phillips screwdriver in and turn!
your comment about headlight adjustments although correct, rams do not need it when equipped with the air bag suspension as they self level.
Thanks for the comparison. At least the Tundra was not worse on the mileage. I have a 2014 Tacoma, TRD Sport, 4x4 and have thought of trading in and trading up; most notably for the tow weight factor. One suggestion I can make is do the tests without using Cruise Control. Many of us with Tacoma's will tell you, the gas mileage is worse using CC versus using the gas pedal manually. I get 20-21 MPG, unloaded/no towing, and that's with an ARB front bumper, FabFour rear bumper and a slightly heavier lift/suspension. I've conducted several test of CC versus manual and when I use CC, I only get 17-18 MPG. I truly think is because, the test route I used (a 3 hr drive from my house to my folks), I know the road and can assess when to start giving gas before a hill really starts. Cruise control only know the hill exists, once they truck is there, so more gas and power are used instantaneously to get up the hill. I just towed an 18' Winnebago Winnie Drop from SF Bay Area to Arches National Park, and averaged 9.4 - 10.2 MPG towing, using 91 Octane. I'm torn as I like off road and the Tacoma is a great size for that, but I like the Tundra for towing more weight. Only a foot difference in length, but I didn't see many large trucks on the back roads of Moab UT; 90% were Jeeps (Rubicons and Sahara) and Tacoma. Thanks again.
I own one of these trucks and the engine may fetch poor fuel economy but it runs like a beast. I bet that you could tow twice what the truck is rated to tow without any trouble.
They did. The Space shuttle
Had a Tacoma Crew 4wd manual transmission, other than poor fuel mileage, rust and comfort it was a great truck! After 2 years and my wife hated the truck so bad I traded it, will have to say I got what I paid trade in value, loved my 2002 Tacoma that I drove 12 years, figured Tacoma’s are built for young people that can sleep on a couch and never complain, not old men that wake up at 4:30, as you get older comfort becomes more and more important. I love my F150, but really like the light blue Tundras I see on the road and compared to the ecoboost they sound so good!
My 2016 Tundra SR5 that I use to tow my boat, a 24' Cuddy Cabin sport cruiser, gets 17.8MPG.
I DON'T use cruise control, due to the fact that every little incline will cause transmission to go in to over drive. Some steeper incline jacks it up to nearly WOT, therefore gulping down more gas.
Boat + trailer= @6000Lbs.
My normal work commute, @195 miles per day, average @20.1MPG.
Why did you get away from doing the MPG loop without towing, especially in the Tacoma? That is more likely the way these 2 trucks will be used.
+matt4270 I was wondering the same thing. I would like to see them do the same non-towing loop on the 2016 Tacoma to see what the MPG is compared to the 2015 model
Toyota has to look bad! They should try that same test with the raptor lol !
guys. I have a 2017 Tacoma. In temps below about 45 degrees, my truck averages about 19mpg combined. But in warmer temps, the truck averages 21.5. I only use Shell Premium and drive the same route. Something makes the engine run way more richer, apparently even after it is warmed up. The truck gets driven about 27 miles each way back and forth to work. Combination city and interstate driving.
I had a 2017 Tacoma Limited and now a nice low miles used 2016 Tundra. There is no contest on what is better for towing. I could care less about the gas mileage. The Tundra is a beast towing, the Tacoma is great for a homeowner who needs to make a trip to Home Depot for new blinds :-)
One thing my brothers tundra has that the other brands don't is adjustable headlights. when you have a loaded trailer and the truck squats hit a button and adjust the headlights... why doesn't everyone do this?
i can watch the fast lane truck all day
They are GETTING THERE???? yea right. Ive driven Toyotas since 1981. Would never buy a pile of crap GM, Ford, or a Dodge, ever.
The Underwood's - - He meant they are slowly coming around and adding features that truck drivers like and expect. This was in reference to non-ergonomic placement of controls like the side mirror adjustment switches and trailer brake controller. If you're gonna super-size everything for a truck, then you have to carefully think out instrument and control placement. But Toyota is newer to this game than the Domestics so it is behind the times on these fronts, playing catch up. That's not a hater dig. I drive a Taco Prerunner. It's just being honest.
Toyota may make a decent truck but they are under equipped and in major need of a updated interior and motor. They are over priced for what they are for the fact they cant haul as much as a domestic truck and they make less power and cant haul as much. Toyota needs a overhaul on this truck its the same damn truck from 2007
Dirty Dan EG some people like myself look for reliability. I had a 2014 ram hemi. It broke. Had the heads replaced at 45k. It got 12-14 mpg at 60 mph. My 2016 ford eb was in the shop for little problems every few months. Back up camera quit. Coil packs would go out. Sync system would freeze. Windshield wiper motor went out. Window switches on driver and passenger side were replaced. At 26k I gave up. My 2019 tundra has been good to me so far. It’s a simple truck but it just does what I need without complaints. Pulled a 8k car trailer this weekend got 12 mpg. Went to the lake got 19.5 mpg empty on the two lane at 58 mph on cruise. I don’t feel it under performs at all. It’s quiet and comfortable. Oh and I paid 10k less than a comparable domestic truck. Even included adaptive cruise.
billy ???? The Hemi is a fairly reliable engine and The ecoboost is reliable also besides the extra variable on maintaining a turbo. Either you are lying about the trucks you have had or you had some really bad luck. The biggest concern for the Ford and Ram is electrical issues. The Tundra is a great truck with less bells and whistles.
I bought a pile of crap gm and have been paying for it big time.
I towed a 3500 lb trailer from VA to Fla. with a Tacoma gas mileage was poor what was worse was the the performance. I was barely able to do the speed limit (65mph), Traded for a Tundra, May not get better gas mileage, but the performance is there
Air temp makes a big difference in MPG from both the wind resistance and the engines intake end of it, if the air going into the airbox is cold the throttle body doesnt need to open as much for a given power output and this causes a higher vacuum for a given speed and high vacuum is engine air drag losing mpg, that's why any super mpg hipermiler will build a warm air intake, thin warm air flows easier than cold thick air .
I’m just towing probably full bed of tools, sometimes trash, materials/pallets, trucks are getting too expensive for work.. I still want a newer tundra since my 1st gen 4.7 is a warrior even had a v6 company tundra with flat bed hauling up to 2 pallets of stone only problem is suspension with all that weight but they’re really reliable
I have a '10 4wd Tundra with a 2 in. lift. I pull a not so aerodynamic travel trailer that is almost 1000 lbs. heavier and at 65 mph I avg. between 9.0-9.5 mpg. How were they driving to get such crummy mpg?
+320dak Driving like morons just like every other vehicle reviewer shows do. That's why none of these car review shows are worth watching for someone in the market for a vehicle because these shows don't own the vehicles they drive them totally different than a regular driver would.
***** Longer idling/warm up times and colder temperatures use more fuel...but that anchor they are pulling around will certainly bring down fuel economy no matter what you are towing it with. Its like pulling a wall around behind you.
5:55 "You don't have those electrically turning headlights". Oh, wow! You have to light up those acetylene lights at the front? THAT is really cool!
I’m thinking of getting a tundra for a daily driver but I never tow anything ! But I do go camping a lot so I’d utilize the bed.. I also want a reliable truck! any suggestions thoughts ?
Go for it!!!
I am not sure one loop and one fill up is a "real world" mpg test. My 2014 Tundra (5.7L) with 4x4 Offroad package towed a 8000 lb Airstream cross country (from MD to NV and back) and averaged 9-10mpg while towing. It did great fourwheeling in UT and NV in the backcountry desert. I do love and watch most of your videos - keep em coming!
I am curious as to why it was revving so high at 70 mph? Mine sits at about 2200 at 70 not 3000. We only use the tow/haul if it is laboring for some reason like terrain or too heavy a load. I didn't see either in this video. ?
mrvoyagerm - - 10:56 The driver said it was all over the place, from 1900 downhill to 3100 uphill. So they were facing some uneven terrain.
But more importantly, Toyota CC hunts like crazy, and drops a gear and revs way up, way too often. And I can see the fuel gauge noticeably drop every single time it does so. So I just use CC in the flats, but leave it off in the hills.
the 4.30 is available in the f250 with the v8 its just an option you have to select.
Yes. Because cylinder deactivation is fool proof lol. There’s a reason Toyota doesn’t fool with the 5.7. It works.
Don't use cruise control either. everything y'all did made the mileage worse.
I commented here three months ago and have since towed greater weight with my 2014 Tacoma TRD Sport. I was towing a Winnebago Winnie Drop at 2,364 lbs and only got about 8 - 10 mpg. I will note again, these tests should not be done on Cruise Control as the mileage is worse when using CC; I know this from experience. I just completed a maiden voyage towing a new 19' Airstream, weighing 1,500 lbs more than my Winnebago. As many Airstreamers noted, my mileage rose. I was average 12.5 mpg, and got a high of 13.8 mpg. The Tacoma pulled the trailer up to 75 mph on flat road in Idaho & Nevada easily. On 6% grades, I was pulling uphill at 65 mph. One thing not mentioned by these guys is, at least on the Tacoma, you can't tow in standard drive. The Toyota Manual clearly states to pull in 4th gear (not 4WD, but 4th gear). This avoids the revving up and down of the engine on hills. Have to say, my only reason to go up to a Tundra would be a larger trailer as the Tacoma can tow up to 6,500 lbs, but my Toyota contacts tell me, that it's actually 7,500, but Toyota has attemped to lower the liability factor by keeping owners well away from the max load. To throw out when considering Fords, Chevy and others, I was just in Moab also, and I drove a Tundra TRD Pro, which cleared everything on the Tower Arch Trail. In our group, the Ford F150 did not and took more time to clear the trail. We later used a Ford Raptor (handled beautifully), but it too came real close to bottoming out. I will say the Tundra rides rougher off-road.
if these tests were conducted at 60mph fuel efficent would be much better cause rpms would be much lower.
Yeah, but these guys have proven over and over again that they are idiots
+Gage Davis if I drive at 75mph in my caravan with cement in the back I get like 10L/100k but if I drive at 55-60 I get like 8.8, engine rpm is key my engine stays in the highest gear at 55-60 but at 70mph it keeps switching from high to low
+Sartaj Aujla They're trying to prove that they do real world. Which makes sense since many people go 80 and over. So 75 is a good average I think.
That goes to show that they are not biased. They are not holding back when they test these trucks.
+Brandon Friesen well yeah but not when towing usually
The cold leads to a substantial drop in mileage. Also driving at 65 versus 70 is a difference.
A couple of things:
1.Tundra Tow mirrors are available factory and Toyota isn't "Getting there". They have been There!
2. The Tundra gets a lot better mileage without using cruise control and tow haul mode, both mode rev the motor up. Tow haul revs out the gears for most power, while cruise control doesn't hold a gear up hills, instead downshifts needlessly( My opinion is the cruise logic sucks on most Toyota trucks, especially when towing). As stated by other comments, you can just manually shift to hold a gear and modulate the speed with a light gas foot to keep your speed. ( I do this all the time)
It seems like you guys go out of your way to knock Toyota....
+Joseph Lombardo, I agree. If I were Toyota, I would not give them anything to test or evaluate.
+Joseph Lombardo Maybe if Toyota made a good truck they wouldn't have bad things to say about them.
+Daniel Bell a good truck? Ur kidding right? You're either ignorant or not too bright...
+Daniel Bell Make that statement to any Toyota owner and they will just laugh at you and wonder how you made it this far in life...
Joseph Lombardo It's okay. Tundra owners give the rest of us a good laugh. You think you have something great, what you've actually got is something less than mediocre at best and shitty at worst.
Is that an Andersen weight distribution hitch? How do you like it? I heard that the trailer tongue bracket set screws sometimes come loose.
You can get a 4.30 gear in a f250 and 350 it is and option and the only way to get max tow with the 6.2l gas and has been for a while
I'm still not sure how I feel about Toyota's new tan color option it looks decent but it looks strange at the same time.
well, it's new, cold, winter fuel, higher elevation, extremely heavy, and when you hit a big hill, the Tundra will have an easier time getting up it. aerodynamics and 1400lbs heavier is also a major factor, 4:30 gear, and 2 more cylinders...that's a Lot of things to consider.
I have a 2006 Toyota tundra that has TRD, what is the difference between my tundra and the 2016 tundra? obviously the newer model is different but what other features does the 2016 tundra have compared to the 2006 tundra?
Y'all might think about welding in a few low tie off points in that trailer. If anything happened you always want your load tied down, so you know they won't move.
yes, ram and chevy have cylinder deactivation; however, that has been known for years now to be a huge failure point. They have rollers on the lifters that ride on the cam shaft that fail, and score the cams and ruin the engine. Please avoid those.
Toyota's run run run....ahhh Forever!
Wow. I have a '16 Tacoma TRD Off Road that I just pulled a mini camper, 3400 lbs, down for Bueno Vista, cotton wood canyon, to Pueblo and it was killing that 3.5. Headed down hill, following the Arkansas on hwy 50 and the Taco was downshifting to maintain the speed limit. Very disappointed in the 3.5. Have been looking at a '16 Tundra TRD OR and now I am a bit suspect. The Tundra would obviously not sweat 3500 lbs like the Taco, but the same MPG is odd. Must be the 4:30 rear end. The Tundra should pull like a beast. Excellent vid.
I wonder if having an more broken in motor matters much? I have a 2013 Tundra Rock Warrior with 48k on the clock. I pulled a 5,100lb car trailer to the track and back (245 miles) and managed a very respectable 12.7 MPG running 87 octane.
11.8 mpg Pueblo, Monarch Pass, Gunnison/Blue Mesa. 3500 lbs and the speed limit. Bottom of the pass to the top it was 8.8. Altitude takes quite a bit out of MPG, HP, etc...
85 octane wow, our low grade is 87, 89,then 93 premium at shell stations midwest. were at $1.70 gallon regular.
but dont get used to it,they just lifted the ban on U.S exports of oil. so now i guess were selling to china and mexico so the prices r gonna go up here in U.S.A.
I was thinking of ~8.4 during video. I guess Silverado would be more fuel effective, ~0.5 gal or so.
Love the review I loved my 98 Tacoma before I had to sell it but. I'm really liking the Rams and Chevy Trucks. Keep it up guys.
at 3:59 pause it. The U on the emblem is already flaking off. That's quality there.
Ya that's dirt ,
@@Chris-L-sr No that's not dirt. That's shiney. The coating that's painted and baked onto the aluminum is missing.
Nobody should be towing 5k pounds with a Tacoma.
The Ford F-250/350 6.2 gas also comes with an optional 4.30 gearing and both Dodge and both Chevy/GMC 3/4-ton gas trucks have a 4.10 gear ratio (optional and standard, respectively), which is comparable to a 4.30. Your blanket statement indicating that no other 1/2 or 3/4-ton truck comes close to a 4.30 rear end is invalid.
The Ford Super Duty F-250, F-350 SRW, and the F-350 DRW all have the 4.30 gear ratio option.
BIG Fan of the show guys!.....but if it make any difference the true mpg is 8.15 and not 7.96.....check out the gallon @12:31, it clearly state 12.031 and not 12.31!
did you guys use the tow haul button? does that make a difference?
You should have used the TRD Off-road package vs. the Pro. I believe the Pro has a lower towing capacity and more squat and also, I am betting the Taco had the Off-road package vs the Pro as well.
That color is freaking awesome!
It looks to me like pump actually said 12.031 not 12.31
i would love to watch TFL post on TH-cam
Interesting. I really thought the Tundra would do better than that. That rear end gives it a lot of grunt, but it really makes it drink the gas.
I like Mr. Trucks view. Truck needs to work and do its job. That's the main thing. Doo Dad options only end up on my rig if Its a heck of a deal anyway. At the end of the day, it just needs to work well and be easy to work on. Good job guys. This is cool stuff.
TFL Truck: Just curious, did you have "ECT Power" on during this test? I doubt it would have made any difference to the outcome of the test, but it does perform similarly to a "tow/haul" mode on other trucks. I own the very truck you tested and and have found that ECT power changes shift points around the same way tow/haul mode does. But as I said, I don't think it would have helped fuel economy at all since the Tacoma was never hunting for gears anyway.
My tundra is a 13 with the same power train and out of all my friends trucks I get the worst fuel mileage but I love the truck great truck
I can't get better then 13.3 mpg on a tank
With all the Diesel trucks coming in swing i wonder how the Tundra would do with the 4.5L V8 D4D engine that's available in de LC V8 in Europe , it has 286hp & 650Nm (480 ft-lb) however updated it should be around 315hp & 685Nm (505 ft-lb) that should be enough & with the upgraded fuel tank it should get far better economy & range ...
I wanna see proof of the trailer brake controller... It didn't exist in the 2015's even though they had them listed on the window stickers. Toyota sent me a $200 check after filing a complaint and having to install an after market brake controller.
Will you please add a comparison video of a stock Rubicon hard rock verse and icon have FJ 40.
you guys should have made both vichs. equal. meaning on the taco you almost have max load so you should have done that on the tundra
I own a 2001 Tundra and bought it used in 2003. It's been a bumper to bumper/inside&out, trouble free truck from the day I drove it home. It still runs strong and the only reason I'm shopping for a new truck is because I would like a little more towing capacity. My only complaint about the Tundra is they don't have a long bed option.
wBryang they have a 6 foot bed option with the crew cab, won't be available with the crew max cab
The standard ed on the tundra is 6.5'. The Tundra long bed is ~8' IIRC.
TheKillzone1511 They don’t have a six foot bed with the crew cab or one at all, a 6.5 foot bed is available with the double cab or regular cab.
The Nissan Titan also has manually adjustable headlights
Auto up/down windows and auto headlights is not "all that fancy stuff" its things you expect on a $50k truck. I have these things on my camry. Toyota is in the market to give you less for more. Not to mention that they still don't have a diesel in the states which is why I don't even care about the Tundra or Tacoma. Bought my last toyota truck years ago after buying new ones since the early 80's.
MaddoxInc it's the off road capabilities that makes it nearly 50k,
I live in the northeast and 87 octane is the lowest grade available unless you go with e85. I have to use 91 octane which is considered mid-grade. Does anyone know why they are tiered differently?
E85 is 100-105 octane. It's 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline, hence it's called E85. You must have a flex-fuel vehicle to run this fuel.
I have noticed that the lower octane tiers in places at higher elevation. I'm in central Texas and we have 87, 89, and 93. 91 octane premium seems to be common on the west coast. In west Texas, I've seen 86, 89, and 91. Don't know if it has to do with elevation, but that is the correlation I've observed.
+Michael Esposito here in Holland the lowest is 95 and goes up to 102
Gerrit Zieleman Here in the US and Canada, we have a different method of calculating octane. Most European countries use RON (Research Octane Number) which is a few points higher than AKI (Anti Knock Index) used here.
+Michael Esposito www.denverpost.com/latin/ci_4503169
I wonder if having a more broken in motor matters much? I have a 2013 Tundra Rock Warrior with 48k on the clock. I pulled a 5,100lb car trailer to the track and back (245 miles) and managed a very respectable 12.7 MPG running 87 octane. Also in Northern Colorado so pulling on virtually the same roads as TFL Truck.
It is always a pleasure to see your videos. It would be much better if you can improve the sound quality of the in car conversations.
Keep doing the best job. We love your videos.
I really like the color of that Tundra.
No chance the brakes are locked up on the trailer?
I recently bought a 2016 SR5 4WD DC. I have the original tire size. I did my first test for all-town driving (many suburban traffic lights and no freeway). I drove like an old lady with a very light foot because I wanted to see how good I could get. The dash gauge said 12.0 MPG, but I did the math ... 10.75! Luckily, I have a small Mazda for around-town driving. I'll be taking a road trip in a few months with 400 miles of all freeway. I will only drive 60 MPH. This fugger better get at least 15 MPG, or I'll be seriously bummed. I knew the Tundra's gas mileage sucks, but not this bad. Every car/truck I've ever owned got what the sticker said it would get. This thing is supposed to be 13 in town and 17 on freeway.
Also selling my 2013 rock warrior for a 2017 f150 ecoboost was a huge mistake. Ecoboost has stalling problems relating to the throttle body that ford won't address and leaves you to deal with a truck you can't trust.My f150 literally broke down the very first time I towed with it ...8k on the odometer and ruined my vacation.
Using higher octane gas doesn't help. In fact it hurts your fuel economy because higher octane gas has less energy per gallon, meaning your engine has to burn more gas to get the same power.
The only time you need high octane gas is if your engine is turbo/super charged, or has high compression ratios.
If your engine is designed for 85 or 87, then run that. You'll get more power and better fuel economy.
In this instance on flat ground, would it be ok to run this truck in o/d to lower the rpm provided the vehicle doesn't lug or downshift on it's own? I'd think this would conserve fuel considerable when maintaining speed on flat ground.
I think you should have used the same percenetage to max towing weight to see what really gets the best MPG.
Outside temp is posted at all times in 2016 and newer tundras on the center screen. They can't read no need to scroll
Can you guys compare the pickup trucks like gas mileage, less emissions, and oil consumption.
No matter what you trying to point at.... it has something that all others doesn't have it's call durability
Love your videos guys. Keep up the good work and I look forward to each and every one.
430 axle ratio helps the powertrain so it don't have to work as hard on acceleration To me there is value in a long lasting well built truck over the latest wizz bang features that may or may not go the distance.
is the gas going to be 1.97 a gallon anymore? If so i'd like to buy this truck as well.
RPM going pass 4K+... what were you guys doing? Climbing a steep mountain side, racing, or using cruise control? I assumed it must be cruise control, but who the heck really tow using cruise control unless it's flat straight road.
If two or three other people are filling up the same time as you are the pump will go slower and you will get most likely more fuel in before the click off
I got 10 mpg hauling a 7k travel trailer from Wisconsin to Maine and back according to the dash and doing the math at the pump.
What's wrong with putting premium fuel?
What elevation are you at? What grade on your route?
Keep in mind this truck has 4.30 gears
the colour of that tundra is too nice
There’s bigger towing mirrors for those tundra and can slide out for wider loads.