Every time I see people laboriously typing out feet+apostrophe+inches+double-quotation-mark+fractions-of-an-inch, I thank God I live in a country that uses metric.
@@morpheusduvall I _did_ grow up with it (kind of); I lived in the USA until I was 10. I guess that's hardly the age by which you get accustomed to those measurements though. 😆
In my experience, it is the jump between rooms, the doors, and threshold that really throws LiDAR off in terms of the accuracy. As long as you are diligent about slowly scanning a single room, they often give very accurate scan quite easily. (You might have moved the door whilst scanning, it can throw things off) In fact, LiDAR scan really shines in rooms that aren't rectangular like yours; curves, angles, multiple pockets of closets and nooks. With laser/tape measure, rectangular rooms like this is only 3 measurements. All in all, I still measure with my laser/tape measure when surveying. And use LiDAR or 3D scan as a backup. Or quick method to generate 3D and adjust per my measurement.
Nicely done Matt. Easy versus precise. Sometimes easy is good enough. Sometimes it is not. And for the sanity of all, don't get me started on precise versus accurate...
Interesting test Matt. This is probably the only feature that has made me consider an iPad. Have you tried AO on your built-in to add to the realism before the pitch to the boss?
So, i work for an Architect, and do alot of measure ups, and where i can i use a laser measurement device (inside, mostly) I do. It's way more easy than a tape (used tapes for many years before lasers were up to snuff, and you still need them for some things, but i digress). Some of the laser devices allow you to transfer measurements directly to a laptop/whatever through Bluetooth, does any version of sketchup support that? Perhaps allowing you to specify which axis you are measuring, then having it accept the measurement from the laser and allowing you to sketch out a room very quickly?
I loved my Hilti laser tape for doing layouts in the field when I was working. So much easier than dragging a tape across a wet environment in the wind. I didn't mind collecting measurements on paper and taking them back to Sketchup. Great for working around furniture, plants and people too. An auto measurement transfer system would be great, but I wouldn't want to take a laptop out into the weather or the craziness of a construction site.
@@steelframe A valid point about a laptop in the field. It could be sketchy (pardon the pun 🤭). Drawing existing conditions on site would have definite benefits, however, and, while the value of some kind of tablet is a bigger risk than a pad of paper and a clipboard, the tablet might be protected enough to make it worth it.
I'm testing to measure by laser tape (a compact Bosch one) and transfer/model directly on SketchUp for iPad. It takes some more time than reporting mesures on paper, but you gain lot of time in office, and.... you can solve errors immediately!
I do see the benefit of this for certain situations and for quick illustrations but I am a little bit disappointed that it is not accurate because if it was this would open up a whole new world of possibilities. Maybe I am asking a bit much from just an ipad.
Been a paid SketchUp user for 5 years now. We desperately need them to enable us to scan with our iPhones and import the data into SketchUp for desktop. I’ll never want to draw with an iPad. For now, I use Canvas and pay to have them draw SketchUp models from my scans. Worth the money most of the time but I’d love to start drawing my own models from LiDAR scans. Please make Scan To Design work for Desktop!!
I reckon he wanted an iPhone app so that he didn’t have to purchase an iPad just for scanning. Any chance to extract the scanning functionality into a “SketcUp scanner” for iPhone?
thanks for sharing. Appreciate your thoughts and suggestion on how you could reasonably scan a whole house - is magicplan a suitable option or some other add on app.
@SketchUp Matt, what model iPad is this? I’m guessing that an iPad Pro would have better lidar than iPad Air, but have no idea whether that is the actual bottleneck in accuracy.
The main problem with these scans is, that they have no mirror detection, if you scan the mirror, you get a second mirrored room .. and I have a lot of mirrors and windows.. maybe you can make a video how to prevent it and to post processing the scan.. because sometimes the walls are not exactly straight or align with other walls and then you have to correct them afterwards. I had the idea to project the entire room to a 2D layer, fix them and extrude them again, or how would you do that?
In my experience, this whole LiDAR scanning technology is beta at best. None of it seems to work very well, including the dedicated apps. I wouldn’t trust it as far as I can throw it.😂
Probably not accurate enough for as-built drawings or comparable to a 3D laser scanner to total station with GPS,but pretty good for modeling, quick measurements, presentations, etc.
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How do you ensure accuracy on your projects?
Every time I see people laboriously typing out feet+apostrophe+inches+double-quotation-mark+fractions-of-an-inch, I thank God I live in a country that uses metric.
That sounds funny but it's totally true
As someone that does the aforementioned daily I totally agree! Don’t get me started on fluid ounces 😂
It’s not bad if you grew up with it
@@morpheusduvall I _did_ grow up with it (kind of); I lived in the USA until I was 10. I guess that's hardly the age by which you get accustomed to those measurements though. 😆
😅 You got it!
In my experience, it is the jump between rooms, the doors, and threshold that really throws LiDAR off in terms of the accuracy.
As long as you are diligent about slowly scanning a single room, they often give very accurate scan quite easily. (You might have moved the door whilst scanning, it can throw things off)
In fact, LiDAR scan really shines in rooms that aren't rectangular like yours; curves, angles, multiple pockets of closets and nooks. With laser/tape measure, rectangular rooms like this is only 3 measurements.
All in all, I still measure with my laser/tape measure when surveying. And use LiDAR or 3D scan as a backup. Or quick method to generate 3D and adjust per my measurement.
Nicely done Matt. Easy versus precise. Sometimes easy is good enough. Sometimes it is not. And for the sanity of all, don't get me started on precise versus accurate...
be great to see a small mechanical room or above ceiling areas
Interesting test Matt. This is probably the only feature that has made me consider an iPad. Have you tried AO on your built-in to add to the realism before the pitch to the boss?
So, i work for an Architect, and do alot of measure ups, and where i can i use a laser measurement device (inside, mostly) I do. It's way more easy than a tape (used tapes for many years before lasers were up to snuff, and you still need them for some things, but i digress). Some of the laser devices allow you to transfer measurements directly to a laptop/whatever through Bluetooth, does any version of sketchup support that? Perhaps allowing you to specify which axis you are measuring, then having it accept the measurement from the laser and allowing you to sketch out a room very quickly?
I loved my Hilti laser tape for doing layouts in the field when I was working. So much easier than dragging a tape across a wet environment in the wind. I didn't mind collecting measurements on paper and taking them back to Sketchup. Great for working around furniture, plants and people too. An auto measurement transfer system would be great, but I wouldn't want to take a laptop out into the weather or the craziness of a construction site.
@@steelframe A valid point about a laptop in the field. It could be sketchy (pardon the pun 🤭). Drawing existing conditions on site would have definite benefits, however, and, while the value of some kind of tablet is a bigger risk than a pad of paper and a clipboard, the tablet might be protected enough to make it worth it.
I'm testing to measure by laser tape (a compact Bosch one) and transfer/model directly on SketchUp for iPad. It takes some more time than reporting mesures on paper, but you gain lot of time in office, and.... you can solve errors immediately!
I do see the benefit of this for certain situations and for quick illustrations but I am a little bit disappointed that it is not accurate because if it was this would open up a whole new world of possibilities. Maybe I am asking a bit much from just an ipad.
Been a paid SketchUp user for 5 years now. We desperately need them to enable us to scan with our iPhones and import the data into SketchUp for desktop. I’ll never want to draw with an iPad. For now, I use Canvas and pay to have them draw SketchUp models from my scans. Worth the money most of the time but I’d love to start drawing my own models from LiDAR scans. Please make Scan To Design work for Desktop!!
You can scan with iPad and open it on Desktop right now, if you like. Just save your model on SU for iPad to Trimble Connect, then open it on iPad.
I reckon he wanted an iPhone app so that he didn’t have to purchase an iPad just for scanning.
Any chance to extract the scanning functionality into a “SketcUp scanner” for iPhone?
thanks for sharing. Appreciate your thoughts and suggestion on how you could reasonably scan a whole house - is magicplan a suitable option or some other add on app.
Can we get this functionality onto the iphone version where most people have lidar conveniently available and ready to use?
@SketchUp Matt, what model iPad is this? I’m guessing that an iPad Pro would have better lidar than iPad Air, but have no idea whether that is the actual bottleneck in accuracy.
The main problem with these scans is, that they have no mirror detection, if you scan the mirror, you get a second mirrored room .. and I have a lot of mirrors and windows.. maybe you can make a video how to prevent it and to post processing the scan.. because sometimes the walls are not exactly straight or align with other walls and then you have to correct them afterwards. I had the idea to project the entire room to a 2D layer, fix them and extrude them again, or how would you do that?
I would like a scan-to-3d function on desktop, using the point cloud as a base.
Isn't that what he did? scan with the iPad and send to desktop...
@@hermanvandenbroek9152 I need to scan with my phone and process on desktop
For how much is the sketch up for iPad subscription is !
Its part of/included in the main sketchup plan.
$17.99 / month
Google sketchup needs to come to android systems too 😮💨
In my experience, this whole LiDAR scanning technology is beta at best. None of it seems to work very well, including the dedicated apps. I wouldn’t trust it as far as I can throw it.😂
So, at the end.. is it accurate or not?
It depends on the job you're doing whether it's accurate enough for you 📏🔍
The short answer is no by the sounds of it.
@@pgtips4240 The answer is it depends. What level of accuracy are you looking for?
Probably not accurate enough for as-built drawings or comparable to a 3D laser scanner to total station with GPS,but pretty good for modeling, quick measurements, presentations, etc.