@@wiiiz3 well he hasn't played in 3 years but he wasn't officially retired yet. He always thought that he could make a comeback at some point. Now he's officially giving it up
I love how they completely ignore Pat saying, "we could have went to 8 straight finals... who knows how many we could have won" they def would have made it to 8 finals
@home9dog2blue he’s only playing all star or all nba third team players in east of course best player in league with a top 15 player in kyrie should easily make finals plus love and plenty good role players
He made the right move. It was looking real dim for Wade at that moment. His knees looked done, and it was easy to think he was headed for retirement or become a bench role player. Heat were not a superteam, they were a Big 3. They were built around two all time greats and an All Star 3rd option. When Wade got hurt, that team became very vulnerable and beatable. Wade eventually recovered from those severe knee issues and had an AMAZING 15-16 season.
On point. I remember watching the Heat and seeing Wade out there struggling and thinking it was back down to just LeBron. Bosh did good but he was tied up with Timmy. So basically it was 1 on 4.
Only 2. I believe that last loss to SAS was a spirit killer for them. additionally, GS was created through the draft so they would have had to face them at some point in the finals
TheNamesDitto Pat Riley is an NBA legend but there are only a few players that could have got him another title outside of lebron. he hasn't build a title contending team since that 2014 heat team
If lebron stayed, it would've been an attractive venue for new upcoming stars to join the heat and play with bron and wade. Riley could've used that to continue building the franchise
I've ALWAYS said that priley would have rebuilt around him ! ... So much to the point that gst NEVER would've won like they did ... Priley knew lebron could attract other players there , i even think in '16' instead of goin to gst , durant would've come to South Beach w/lebron ! ... That DYNASTY would have still been rollin to this VERY DAY ! ...
@Aboood165 ... l'm just mainly using him as example ... but , my point is there were other free-agents that having lebron will bring stars as well ... l hear ppl keep trying to give credit to La front-office for all these player's ... lf lebron started a franchise in the 'phillipines' , these same players would be there instead of L A ! ...
only truth I’m with you on that one. They easily would’ve convinced Melo or CP3 to be with them when they all said they all dreamed to at least play a season as teammates
@@Bigbizzle it really wasn't for Kyrie. Bron felt the pressure of failing to deliver on his promise to his home team. He was always a winner but Miami taught him how to be a Champion & he needed to take that newfound knowledge to Cleveland. But as far as rings, I have no doubt that Bron would have 2 or 3 more if he stayed with Miami for sure
@@mr3000sr while yes they can be, they also very much so coincide. Lebron did that his last season in Cleveland with that trash fire they put together for a team. I'd say he had carried that team every minute he played.
@@justthisguy1948 no big names were available, kyrie left and they over paid for alot of short team deals. But you tellin me old man d rose, old man wade, jr who's been trash for a minute, then rodney hood, jae crowder, and george hill. That's a great team? That's gonna replace kyrie? Just because they over paid in an attempt to salvage a roster in lebrons last season there, doesn't mean those players were great.
@@mottofakkushite9817 no lebron joined 2 superstars and told the world they was gonna win ring after ring after ring after ring..... you tried it thoo 😂😂😂😂
kingofhaiti123 LeBron and Bosh turned an 8th seed team into a Super team while KD jumped on the bandwagon of the greatest regular season team of all time
As a Miami fan Every Time I Think of LeBron playing here it makes me sad those where the shortest 4 years ever but those finals will go down in history the OK3 in 2012 and Ray Allen's game 6 shot on 2013 man oh man good times.
People seem to forget Wade led the Heat to the Semi Conference Finals in the east in 2016. Also people seem to forget that if Lebron would have stayed in Miami Pau Gasol would have came to the Heat so losing Bosh wouldn't have been such a huge blow. Plus Heat picked up Whiteside for low cost in 2015. Plus Pat Riley would have gotten shooters to surround Bron and Wade like he did with Ray Allen, Mike Miller, James Jones, Rashad Lewis and so on the Heat easily would have won in 2015 and 2016 agaisnt Gsw.
Absolutely. To be quite honest I think Bosh would’ve left to Houston he was asking for way too much money and the reason why the Heat ended up resigning him was due to the panic after LeBron left. They would’ve definitely retooled maybe get Lamarcus Aldridge, Riley would’ve definitely bolster the roster with LeBron.
As a Heat fan, this discussion kinda makes my blood boil. LeBron shoulda stayed, you can never count against the moves that Pat Riley could make or the way Eric Spoelstra could mesh a group of guys together.
Yeah , he blew it ! ... & goin back to clev just about RUINED his legacy ... That's why he had to go running to Magic in L A , to resurrect his career ! ...
@@onlytruth777 he won a championship for Cleveland like he said he would, that fulfilled his legacy even more. Cleveland isn't mad he left you're just hating lol
@@onlytruth777 nah going back to Cleveland helped his legacy. He was called a sellout consistently and a traitor. If he stayed in Miami I think it would've kinda tainted his legacy.
@@jjbulmor6827 yea it would’ve been like a KD situation rn with the narrative That Wade won before lebron and couldn’t do it without him While bron had to leave his original team to win
Hold up hold up hold up, Wade was still dominating with injuries, he didn't even have major injuries, he led the heat almost eastern conference championship and could've beaten the Raptors to play lebron in the eastern conference championship
Right! Dwade had a great year in 2016. 19ppg 4.5 assist and played 75 games. If he had bosh they would have beat the raptors and went to ecf. Ppl forget how good he was.
tyrone parker there were so many blown/bs calls early in game 7 against the Raptors that Miami quit. They should’ve won but the narrative of the Raptors making their first conference finals was too cute to pass up. DWade was on fire during the playoffs! It’s a shame that Pat didn’t pay him because we could’ve been special in 2017.
Yeah but you fail to understand that your a smart guy that actually watches basketball. Nobody is going to agree with you because they only watch select highlights with 3s and dunks. Lol
Jay Battz Heat ended up getting Dragic so the pg situation would’ve been solid also Kyle Lowry was interested in Miami but was not sure if LeBron was going to sign.
They also got Hassan. LBJ would’ve kept him motivated. A motivated Hassan is a top 5 center and he was on a really cheap contract for years. I think They get two more chips.
Lakers fan Wade is never useless let’s first clear that up. He is the 3rd greatest SG of all time and played better defense than Kobe, he’s not useless. Bosh would’ve packed his bags for Houston since Miami was not willing to match Houston’s offer in 2014. Gasol and Lowry would’ve signed. The following season Riley got an interview with Aldridge only offering him the mid level exception you best believe with Lebron on his roster and some cap flexibility due to Bosh leaving, Aldridge would’ve signed. Miami would then get the ancillary pieces to keep them competitive.
@@rellykz2175 Wade was better than Jerry. Lets not play around. I respect West but most players and analysts agree wade is the 3rd best SG of all time.
People need to remember that a lot of guys on that 2014 heat team (including wade and bosh) came out and said the final year of the big 3 in miami wasn't fun or enjoyable. Wade compared that year to being in a bad marriage and Bosh said winning that season only provided temporary relief before things got bad again. I'm sure that played a role in Lebron's decision too. He was probably as unhappy and worn out as the other guys making those statements were.
It would be interesting to see a matchup between 2015 Warriors and 2014 Heat, but after 2016 is pretty hard to say Miami could stay like the best team in the NBA.
If LeBron stays in Miami, Wade takes a paycut, Bosh doesn't get the max, and they have the cap to revamp and add more pieces. Lebron would've been in a great situation. Miami is a way more attractive destination than Cleveland. He would've had it made...
Doesn't matter if he won't 10 rings the argument would have still been "he needed to form a superteam to do it" the one ring in Cleveland was worth more than 2 maybe even 3 at Miami
The HEAT ended up getting Whiteside and Josh Richardson..that would have been an amazing team. The Heat would've been great defensively and really good on offense. Pick and Roll with Whiteside and J.Rich on the corner..??
Ifwhiteside was there while LeBron was there he would not have gotten the playing time or opportunity because everything would love been LeBron centric
@@newrecruit100 i dont really think so bro. The Heat never had a center. They had Ronnie Turiaf, Joel Anthony, Dexter Pittman. I think he wouldve made that team better defensively, especially in the post since Bosh was pretty much getting outrebounded/outmanned in the post.
I think Miami could of won more with LBJ, because Pat knew that he was was doing and then there was Mickey, who somewhat didn't mind going through the luxury tax, unlike Dan Gilbert. That Miami team would have given GSW a run for their money
Yeah regardless of Kevin Durant being there. The Heat's defense of Whiteside, Richardson, and Tyler Johnson was good for the team. Dragic will be a good point guard for them. And if Bosh did sign with James Harden and The Rockets. Riley would replace him with Pau Gasol for 1year $2.3M deal so that in 2015 they can sign LaMarcus Aldridge. And for 2016 they still will have cap space to still sign James Johnson and Waiters. The Heat had potenial to compete with the Warriors even if Kevin Durant sign's with them it will still be much more competitive then the Cavs-Warriors rivalry.
Real Heat fans know what Dwayne wade brings to the table during the playoffs. Remember 2016 Dwayne wade ? And plus Riley would definitely add pieces to play with lebron. Who doesn’t want to play with lebron
imagine if you stopped CLICKING on LeBron videos. It's not like you click on a daily 2 hour show and in that show they bring up LeBron a lot. You are CLICKING on LeBron James videos and then TH-cam uses analytics to keep fucking showing you LeBron videos and then you keep clicking on them. You are a fucking idiot
Folks forget that the Cavs sucked before James and HE brought Love there... So if lebron never went there Cavs would still be horrible... I am not a Lebron fan but i respect what he brings to teams... If he stayed in Miami they were locks for finals next few years...
Bosh would’ve left in 2014 Houston was offering him a bigger contract. Miami would’ve used that money to retool their roster. Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, and Hayward were all options the Heat would’ve signed to retool their roster.
What happened to Wade after 2014, no more true non popularity contest all-star appearances, Cole and Chalmers careers over. Ray, Rashard , Battier retired Birdman , Haslem benchwarmers. That roster was over the hill quick yet LeBron's blamed for it , no surprise there.
I agree. Out of that 10 year window, I think they would have got three more. Cuz I'm going by the landscape of the Eastern Conference and the free agents the last 8 years, that Riley would have made some moves and it would have been attractive for players to come to Miami to play with LeBron
I have a different perspective. I think if the Miami heat with LeBron faced the warriors in 2015, the heat would have won. The warriors became much better after they won the championship in 2015 which sparked their confidence to become the 73-9 team. Had the warriors been eliminated in the 2015 playoffs by the clippers, spurs, or thunder; I doubt they would have gone on that season winning run. But that begs the question, what if the Heat faced another team besides the warriors in 2015? A healthy Westbrook and Durant? A rematch with the spurs? Maybe cp3 and blake griffin lead clippers? Just some things to think about.
miami would of won the 2015 and 2016 titles and if kd didnt go to the warriors maybe 2017 too...and should of won in 2011...the point is bron threw away 6 titles and thats why he deserves all the hate he gets now...
@@razkable Clearly you the one that wants to hate here lol. Making up some ridiculous comment in stating it as fact. If Wade was anywhere near like he was in the 2014 finals they would not have won anything.
@@razkable whattt 2015 I’ll give u that but 2016 He needed the perfect circumstance to barely escape with that win Wade in that stage wasn’t putting up 40 pieces like Kai was and not anyone is hitting that legendary shot after 2015 that window was going to be closed Bron thought more long term
I think he realized had he stayed eventually somebody other than him would be scoring 20 plus points a night and finally he would have a chance at winning a championship in Cleveland, not just playing in one. So he went back because that's ultimately all he wanted. Was to win even ONE, in Cleveland.
Lebron probably would've won in 2015 had he stayed with the heat, wade was great in the playoffs that year, people forget that, it still baffles me how much wade seemed to be done in 2014, but then came back the next year so strong
In 2014 they could’ve still signed luol deng and go over the cap for the Big 3 also pau gasol talked about taking a cheap contract with Miami but he went to Chicago because he knew lebron was leaving. They could’ve stacked up for sure
As a Heat fan the Bosh blood clots would really be the killer in that hypothetical scenario. Wade was still great for a couple of years and made a playoff run in 2016. Reports back then were that the Heat were going to get Kyle Lowry or Pau Gasol to commit which would have strengthened the team... ultimately we will never know but they would have had to go up against GS at some point. I believe they would have won in 2015 but lost thereafter.
Everyone is missing the whole point. It wasn’t the rings, it was the fact that it would ALWAYS BE WADE COUNTY. Lebron wanted something that really hit home. That 1 ring in Cleveland probably meant more to him, than both of the rings in Miami in totality. Regardless that Miami team was great. Wade/Bosh/Lebron are all HOF regardless what any of you try to say.
Disagree with u here about Wade county. It was all the way Lebrons team after the first year. It's not like Durant and Steph where Steph was in his prime and playing MVP level basketball. Wade was solidly past his prime and was dealing with plenty of injury issues. Everyone knew Lebron was running the show and they were fine with it. As far as the ring in Cleveland meaning more, yeah of course since Cleveland is Lebrons hometown. But it had nothing to do with Miami being Wade county
slamandjam2 You missed the boat. It was Lebron team yes. But it was never his CITY. If it was TRULY Lebron keys, he would’ve been able to have his friends/family have more access and benefits with the team. They wont allowed to sit certain places, and etc. Lebron left cause he still had a empty void in his heart. There’s No place like home, regardless how you look at it. Now that he accomplished his mission, he is able to move on without feeling like he didn’t fulfill his promise. Plus if it was his team, he would’ve been able to get rid of Erik Spoelstra. Lebron always wanted full access to team personnel and roster. You may be thinking, that’s too much power. Yes indeed, but it works for Lebron. He makes sure his supporting cast get 💰, and he gets you to the finals (which is 💰 for the city/owner)! Tristan Thompson, jr Smith, and others would’ve never got the contracts they got, without Lebron. Remember Lebron didn’t even sign his contract until they resolved the contract disputes with Tristan/JR. Wade is forever the King of MIAMI, Lebron is the King of CLEVELAND. 💯 *Im not saying Lebron is perfect or the goat. That’s a never ending debate.
2013 heat would've beaten the 2019 warriors. The 2019 warriors remind me a lot of the 2014 heat. Defending champions that were still good, but seemed to be losing the dominance they once had amid the uncertainty of a possible breakup after the season. The warriors of 2017 or 2018 vs the 2013 heat would've been very interesting tho.
@Female Ass Is The Hottest Thing Ever Except they won which gave them the confidence to go for that run the following year. No chip in 2015, and they might not have even made it to the finals the following year. Especially considering how the Thunder were in 2016.
Honestly they should have won all 4 finals . And if he would have stayed and Pat Riley committed to improving the roster we could have won at least 2 more
should have won all 4? We got hella luck against the Spurs when we won. The next year SAS destroyed us with the best team basketball I've witnessed in my whole life..
4:32 ye but he did that in Cleveland. And i think that playing for his own town maybe made a big role in the thing he was able to do on the court those years. He was a best there
It could’ve worked the east was still weak. Wade take a pay cut Bosh take a pay cut or let him walk. And try to get some other big role players in there.Ppl are forgetting the biggest addition. Hassan Whiteside. He was in our g league team. Would’ve been Bron/Wade/Bosh/Whiteside bring in some shooters. They win 2015 and 16 finals. Facts.
It’s crazy how no one mentioned all the wade was a lil injured you had the rise of Hassan Whiteside so yea I’m pretty sure Miami would have made some noise Pg:Grafic Sg:wade Sf:Richardson Pf:Bron C:Whiteside
I imagine LeBron would have joined the Lakers in 2018 regardless of his decision in 2014. Had he stayed in Miami rather than return to Cleveland, the Heat would have made 8 straight Finals 2011-2018. Wade wouldnt have left in 2016, but Bosh would have still had the clots. The Heat probably would have still acquired Dragic and brought up Hassan Whiteside, so we would have had a core of Lebron, Wade, Dragic, and Whiteside plus top role players who have wanted to join. I'd say Miami would have beat the Warriors in both 2015 and 2016, then lose to the Warriors in 2017 and 2018 after KD joins them. By 2018, Wade is basically done and Bosh long gone, LeBron probably goes to LA just like he did and wins again in 2020. No Cleveland title, but LeBron is probably 5-5 in the Finals if he never left the Heat
Flash was actually great and in much better condition in 2015 and 2016 after a very difficult 2014 season, 2015 I'm picking the Heat all day over the GSW (trailed 2-1 to LBJ with no 2nd option btw), after that I have my doubts, but Pat Riley would have definitely made some moves so you never know, Heatles were a problem, how quick they forget smh
For those who don't understand how stupid and pathetic a move that was for lebron leaving Miami The heat would've added Gordon Dragic (20PPG All star PG) and Hassan Whiteside along side Wade and Bosh AND lebron 3-6 for a reason
Christopher Rountree lmfao dragic was only getting 7.5 million that season and pau gasol said himself if lebron didn't leave he was going to sign with the heat that season.
LebronBlew5Finals#NotTop5 #Needs2AllStarsToWin so? Y’all would cry about it that he joined a superteam it’s better to get one for ur hometown than 10 for another team whatever I’m the goat mj ain’t even close 11>>>>>>>>>> I cant even see his rings oh there they are 6
Bill 11 Rings Russell You got carried by Sam Jones and shot 44% as Center.You are not even the best celtic of all time much less the greatest player foh.
I hope Lebron improves his finals record cause that’s the only thing y’all hold against him. Y’all overlook that he was the first player to average a triple double in the finals, first player to overcome a 3-1 deficit in the finals, has a better shooting percentage than Kobe, top 10 all time scoring list, and many other achievements and awards.
Hard to say because of the whole Chris Bosh career ending medical condition but Pat Riley wouldn't let that stop them to atleast contend so i would probably give them 1 or 2 at most and that's pushing it because like what everyone else is thinking GSW came up and just like Miami they wouldn't just stand by and not recruit more help I mean look at them now an all star lineup without really needing it probably would've ended up as eastern all stars vs western all stars in the nba finals every year
I would roll with a team comprised of LeBron, dwade, whiteside, Winslow and josh Richardson. Then you get olynyk, dragic, waiters, adebayo coming off the bench? Whoo boy
Tracy is the only one who understands just how shit the Eastern Conference has been these past few years. Even Lebron and a hobbled D-Wade would make the Finals consecutive years had they stayed together, simply because there was practically no resistance in the east.
Miami was the only super team Lebron ever been on. Your on Drugs if u believe that CAvs team was a super team . Bench was no where near Miami’s . Miami had Ray Allen coming off the bench . Ennough said
@@grandmaster9829 Hahahaha kuzma is putting up better number than waiters. He wouldn't of won nothing with a lazy center who is stealing millions from the heat and a okay player in waiters. Stop it man.
Dynasty. LeBron kept Wade healthy in the season, and Wade kept James rested in the playoffs. They worked with each other well to keep The weight of the full season load off each other. The young talent Pat would've put on the team and the surgence of Whiteside as a legit Center would've help secure that dynasty tag.
That's right it's the Spurs that showed the Heat there is no way they can improve enough to beat the Spurs without adding another all star caliber player which they didn't have cap room for.
@@KrazieSevin wade had a degenerative knee and bosh was injured and washed, Houstan actually gave Bosh a big contract, if Lebron stays no way the heat match that, with Bosh's absence and cap room, they sign aldridge and Lowry or dragic, and Whiteside breaks out and Wade doesn't have as big of a role and plays better
@@shasankamadduri1998 Bosh wasn't washed, he was better than Wade tbh during the playoffs for sure, ya'll forgetting Bosh's numbers on the Raptors, he was a legit stud
@@KrazieSevin Btw, they had cap, if Lebron stays, no way the Heat try to match the Rockets for Bosh, Pat Riley was getting Alridge but ALdridge said no cause he wanted Lebron to stay, they were also getting Lowry or Dragic, Lowry backed out cause Lebron went to Cleveland.
This is low key why KD shouldn’t leave GS. Lebron should have stayed on heat. They would have been a dynasty- he could be closer to goat convo if he stayed in Miami
The only reason Bosh got that contract was because LeBron left. Pat would've left Bosh go to Houston. Wade would've taken less money, and another superstar would've came to South Beach. KD probably would've came to Miami instead of GSW. LeBron would have atleast 5 rings if he stayed
They weren’t washed ? They got beat by Tim Duncan Manu ginobili tony Parker Kawhi Leonard and a great coach . They would’ve beaten any other team Spurs were just hungrier for the revenge from the last finals .
Coolhands444 do you know what washed means? Miami would’ve won the 2015 finals. Bosh would’ve left to Houston since the Heat wouldn’t have matched his contract while having both wade and Lebron on roster. Riley would’ve picked up FA Aldridge, Lowry, and Gasol. Heat would’ve been fine.
Nah T Mac is giving Wade too much credit Wade was a shell don’t allow these recent burst fool you. He was missing half the season at times leaving Lebron alone to carry
Miami has a roster full of bad contracts, hasn’t attracted anybody useful in FA, ran d wade out of town, and hasn’t done anything meaningful post lebron. Some godfather
I believe in Ray Allen cause he's was a clutch player in the playoffs with the winning 3 to seal the game,everybody talk about Dwayne Wade and LeBron but not about Ray who came to the Heat
Never shoulda left Miami. Erik Spoelstra was the best coach Bron’s ever had and Pat Riley was the best GM Bron’s ever had. Way better than Cavs management or Magic Johnson. I truly believe he woulda won 2 more titles. I think that Miami team (who ended up with Whiteside the next year) coulda beaten the young Warriors squad. Also I believe Riley would know how to re-up and attract new free agents. In Cleveland, all he really had way Kyrie and role players. Once he lost Kyrie, everything fell apart. Yes Bron woulda been hated more if he stayed, but who cares if you’re winning.
Pat would have made sure that he was in on the KD free agency. He would have sold KD easy I believe. With Warriors beating KD and maybe Miami losing to the Warriors, that would have created the perfect storyline; for Pat. Also Pat would have gotten vet players to take less. Lbj cost himself 2 to 3 rings. End of story.
the heat after 2014 were a depleted roster which was only made worse by Lebron leaving but what people forget is that the heat surprisingly added Goran Dragic for some draft picks and Hassan Whiteside emerged almost out of nowhere. so now you are talking about wade, Lebron, Whiteside, and Goran. That team would have easily made the finals in 2015 and more than likely defeated the warriors. Remember Lebron with Tristan and delly took the warriors to 6 games so I have no doubt an injured wade, Goran, and Whiteside would have been more than enough to beat them. as far as 2016 goes I think the warriors would have won that title because they made a huge leap. where it gets interesting though is that 2017 I don't think it would have been Durant to the warriors, I think it would have been Durant to the heat. bosh's contract would have been cleared off of the books, Whiteside was a free agent but had a small cap hold so they could sign him while going over the cap wade would have likely taken a paycut if the team was still competing for titles. so it would have been Draymond, Steph, and Klay going against old wade, Lebron, Durant, Goran, and Whiteside, that is when I think the heat dynasty would have started.
No lie, Golden State has the same team throughout Miami’s dominance. The moment LeBron left is the moment Golden State instantly became a championship dynasty. That’s not a coincidence. Whiteside got picked up halfway through the season that following year and instantly became a household name and a dominant center. Although he has his weaknesses, no one can deny dude would’ve been a 25-15-5 player if LeBron was his running man. Yeah, Bosh got injured. But the league loves LeBron so much they would’ve made sure Bosh’s injury would’ve open up enough cap space for them to bring in a really good role player. Also, i’m sure Ray Allen would’ve stayed in the league for as long as he could shoot. Then Miami drafted Josh Richardson, who, with LeBron would’ve developed faster (since he’s a shooter and slasher that plays high level defense). anyone that thinks Miami wouldn’t have challenged Golden States emergence is either dumb or a hater. Damn i miss those Miami teams. The league been trash ever since Bron left Miami. Now it’s Golden State vs Everybody.
Miami was the best front office & coaching LeBron ever had. they would of made it happen and I believe LeBron would be in a better place and not have to worried about help.
Agree and Miami was the best for Goku's (LeBron) career. He had Vegeta (D-Wade) Master Roshi (Pat Riley). Miami was perfect. And the Heat-Warriors rivalry would be epic just like the Tournament of 🔋.
@@AAPGoku Agree 100% and D-wade would eventually come off the bench making them the best bench squad, through his leadership & skills, and holding LeBron accountable for his actions. U notice that since D-wade no one holds his accountable that's why he is not even trying on Defense
@@tavaresprice750 yeah he would come off the bench and Waiters will be the starting 2. If Goku (LeBron) had stayed ESPN won't have to talk about the drama that surrounds him in both the Cavaliers and Lakers.
Wow what fucking shit they were beating a spurs team with a top 10 player of Duncan and kawaii. That 1 ring is worhh a lot but only 1.25 of the heat rings
@@izzy6918 no, LeBron lead the cavs not kyrie. And imo I respect steph and his achievements. Curry deserves his titles. It's kd I have an issue with...
They would've made it back Finals in 2015 the Heat would've beat the Warriors no doubt 🤔 but idk about 2016 or 2017 or 2018 but if LeBron made it w the trash Cavs team in 2018 w out Irving I think the Heat could've went not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 not 8 but 9 straight finals but idk because of Chris Bosh health problems plus D Wade was declining but I don't blame him, he brought a title to his home land titles in Miami don't mean anything just like the Warriors w KD those "Championships" dont mean a damn thing.
Kevin M oh but they do tho. LeBron CREATING AND BUILDING a team is COMPLETELY different than KD joining a 73!! Win team!!! My god. I don’t see how people don’t understand this
They would have still got Whiteside and Dragic. If Lebron went to 4 straight finals with the Cavs. So would have the Heat. And with Lebron still on the team. People would have been running to go to hot weather no tax Florida.
Gasol and Ariza were already lined up to sign with the Heat. Lebron told them not to sign with Miami because he knew he was going to leave. LeBron screwed up by leaving the Heat. He could have 4 or 5 championships right now instead of 3. Miami is the only place where lebron had any sort of organizational structure around him and he traded that for winning one in Cleveland... I get that winning a title for Cleveland was huge and important but I would rather win 5 in Miami than 1 in Cleveland. If LeBron knew what he knew now I bet you he would’ve stayed at least a couple more years before trying to win with the cavs again. LeBron got in his own way of winning more titles. Best organization and coach he has played for by far because he’s not the one making the decisions. Miami easily could’ve re-tooled around lebron
They made sure Paul Pierce wasn't on this segment
Olladnara lol
Olladnara Celtics were old no way Miami beats that team
@@justthisguy1948 what?
Bosh and Wade retiring the same year...
I'm not crying, you are
wait, bosh is still in the nba?
@@wiiiz3 well he hasn't played in 3 years but he wasn't officially retired yet. He always thought that he could make a comeback at some point. Now he's officially giving it up
he almost died. we knew he was done
Cameron Trail he had a blood clot
I love how they completely ignore Pat saying, "we could have went to 8 straight finals... who knows how many we could have won" they def would have made it to 8 finals
I mean, Bron has been to 8 straight. 4 with the Heat then 4 with the Cavs from 2011 to 2018
@@Joey-pb6ul but only won 1 with cavs...
@@joezxc Golden State. That is all
@home9dog2blue he’s only playing all star or all nba third team players in east of course best player in league with a top 15 player in kyrie should easily make finals plus love and plenty good role players
No cause no bosh and Wade knees
He made the right move. It was looking real dim for Wade at that moment. His knees looked done, and it was easy to think he was headed for retirement or become a bench role player. Heat were not a superteam, they were a Big 3. They were built around two all time greats and an All Star 3rd option. When Wade got hurt, that team became very vulnerable and beatable.
Wade eventually recovered from those severe knee issues and had an AMAZING 15-16 season.
On point. I remember watching the Heat and seeing Wade out there struggling and thinking it was back down to just LeBron. Bosh did good but he was tied up with Timmy. So basically it was 1 on 4.
@@LuvmysippiSo was it 1 on 4 when he left Cleveland the first and the second time gtfoh
Only 2. I believe that last loss to SAS was a spirit killer for them. additionally, GS was created through the draft so they would have had to face them at some point in the finals
Not really. I trust in Pat being able to rebuild the team.
TheNamesDitto Pat Riley is an NBA legend but there are only a few players that could have got him another title outside of lebron. he hasn't build a title contending team since that 2014 heat team
@@alyjeanlouis6122 right
If lebron stayed, it would've been an attractive venue for new upcoming stars to join the heat and play with bron and wade. Riley could've used that to continue building the franchise
Aly Jeanlouis GS being created through the draft has nothing to do with your statement. Irrelevant point
I think given the time Pat Riley could have rebuilt around Lebron
I've ALWAYS said that priley would have rebuilt around him ! ... So much to the point that gst NEVER would've won like they did ... Priley knew lebron could attract other players there , i even think in '16' instead of goin to gst , durant would've come to South Beach w/lebron ! ... That DYNASTY would have still been rollin to this VERY DAY ! ...
No matter what pat was going to do LBJ was going home to win one
We signed Deng thinking he would comeback
@Aboood165 ... l'm just mainly using him as example ... but , my point is there were other free-agents that having lebron will bring stars as well ... l hear ppl keep trying to give credit to La front-office for all these player's ... lf lebron started a franchise in the 'phillipines' , these same players would be there instead of L A ! ...
only truth I’m with you on that one. They easily would’ve convinced Melo or CP3 to be with them when they all said they all dreamed to at least play a season as teammates
Painful as a Miami fan. For ever grateful to see the Goat in his prime on my home floor
HEALTHY heat team could have taken GSW in 2015
Yep
No doubt. But to be fair a HEALTHY Cavs team also would've taken GSW in 2015
@@J972M that’s what I would call karma. Bron shouldn’t have left Miami, and turned his back on his bro D Wade for Kyrie and that 1st pick of the draft
@@Bigbizzle it really wasn't for Kyrie. Bron felt the pressure of failing to deliver on his promise to his home team. He was always a winner but Miami taught him how to be a Champion & he needed to take that newfound knowledge to Cleveland. But as far as rings, I have no doubt that Bron would have 2 or 3 more if he stayed with Miami for sure
@@J972M ok
"Too much of a load on lebron"
-Goes the Cleveland and leads the NBA in minutes
Load and minutes two totally different things
im sure that wasn't his plan
@@mr3000sr while yes they can be, they also very much so coincide. Lebron did that his last season in Cleveland with that trash fire they put together for a team. I'd say he had carried that team every minute he played.
thedude22 trashfire? They did everything they could for him had the highest payroll in the league signing lebrons buddies to crazy contracts
@@justthisguy1948 no big names were available, kyrie left and they over paid for alot of short team deals. But you tellin me old man d rose, old man wade, jr who's been trash for a minute, then rodney hood, jae crowder, and george hill. That's a great team? That's gonna replace kyrie? Just because they over paid in an attempt to salvage a roster in lebrons last season there, doesn't mean those players were great.
The Heat would’ve been legendary like the Bulls
Durant would have tried to join them.
Nah he learned that from lebron
@@kingofhaiti123 first kd joined a team that went 73-9 LeBron build a team that barley made the playoffs before he joined
@@mottofakkushite9817 no lebron joined 2 superstars and told the world they was gonna win ring after ring after ring after ring..... you tried it thoo 😂😂😂😂
@@kingofhaiti123 LeBron joined before bosh so we're df u got ur information from?
kingofhaiti123 LeBron and Bosh turned an 8th seed team into a Super team while KD jumped on the bandwagon of the greatest regular season team of all time
As a Miami fan Every Time I Think of LeBron playing here it makes me sad those where the shortest 4 years ever but those finals will go down in history the OK3 in 2012 and Ray Allen's game 6 shot on 2013 man oh man good times.
Or when Dirk beat them in 6 or when the Spurs dismantled them in 5 games. Oh man oh man. It was great.
@@3rdeye931 take that negativity elsewhere. Your kind isn't welcome here.
Lucky 2 rings... Nothing more mate...
@@przemysawkujawa8137 I addressed your type in the comment above. Apparently your type can't really read that will though. Typical.
The Allen shot was classic, but ok3 was not a good series overall to watch
People seem to forget Wade led the Heat to the Semi Conference Finals in the east in 2016. Also people seem to forget that if Lebron would have stayed in Miami Pau Gasol would have came to the Heat so losing Bosh wouldn't have been such a huge blow. Plus Heat picked up Whiteside for low cost in 2015. Plus Pat Riley would have gotten shooters to surround Bron and Wade like he did with Ray Allen, Mike Miller, James Jones, Rashad Lewis and so on the Heat easily would have won in 2015 and 2016 agaisnt Gsw.
Dude stop
Idk about 16 but 15 for sure
This. People forget Pat Riley is a genius that had long term plans for the Heatles.
Absolutely. To be quite honest I think Bosh would’ve left to Houston he was asking for way too much money and the reason why the Heat ended up resigning him was due to the panic after LeBron left. They would’ve definitely retooled maybe get Lamarcus Aldridge, Riley would’ve definitely bolster the roster with LeBron.
You forgot wade got crushed by th he spurs
I’m a Celtics fan so I don’t like Lebron at all but he gets way too much hate for a player as talented as himself
Undercover bronsexual detected.
He gets hate because he cries about EVERYTHING AND WANTS EVERY FUCKING PLAYER TO PLAY WITH HIS ASS
“I’m not a Bronsexual or anything... but don’t disrespect my daddy!!” You ain’t foolin anybody lol
TRUTH!!!
ClutchUpJosh why would u not like Lebron because of Celtics nigga been there not a full season with the lakers 😂😂😂
As a Heat fan, this discussion kinda makes my blood boil. LeBron shoulda stayed, you can never count against the moves that Pat Riley could make or the way Eric Spoelstra could mesh a group of guys together.
Yeah , he blew it ! ... & goin back to clev just about RUINED his legacy ... That's why he had to go running to Magic in L A , to resurrect his career ! ...
Spoelstra was apart of the mesh.
@@onlytruth777 he won a championship for Cleveland like he said he would, that fulfilled his legacy even more. Cleveland isn't mad he left you're just hating lol
@@onlytruth777 nah going back to Cleveland helped his legacy. He was called a sellout consistently and a traitor. If he stayed in Miami I think it would've kinda tainted his legacy.
@@jjbulmor6827 yea it would’ve been like a KD situation rn with the narrative That Wade won before lebron and couldn’t do it without him While bron had to leave his original team to win
Hold up hold up hold up, Wade was still dominating with injuries, he didn't even have major injuries, he led the heat almost eastern conference championship and could've beaten the Raptors to play lebron in the eastern conference championship
Right! Dwade had a great year in 2016. 19ppg 4.5 assist and played 75 games. If he had bosh they would have beat the raptors and went to ecf. Ppl forget how good he was.
tyrone parker there were so many blown/bs calls early in game 7 against the Raptors that Miami quit. They should’ve won but the narrative of the Raptors making their first conference finals was too cute to pass up. DWade was on fire during the playoffs! It’s a shame that Pat didn’t pay him because we could’ve been special in 2017.
Yeah but you fail to understand that your a smart guy that actually watches basketball. Nobody is going to agree with you because they only watch select highlights with 3s and dunks. Lol
@@thejokerr2114 amen my brother
JOSH 121 no he wasn’t lmao he was done the year they got slapped by the spurs in the finals
Imagine if he never left Cleveland, he wouldn't have any
Artorias e 😂😂
Lmao 😂
Hed get 1 or 2
Lol 0
Considering its horrendous owner, Dan Gilbert, probably yea
Think Pat would’ve drafted well & made moves
Jay Battz Heat ended up getting Dragic so the pg situation would’ve been solid also Kyle Lowry was interested in Miami but was not sure if LeBron was going to sign.
They also got Hassan. LBJ would’ve kept him motivated. A motivated Hassan is a top 5 center and he was on a really cheap contract for years. I think They get two more chips.
Lakers fan Wade is never useless let’s first clear that up. He is the 3rd greatest SG of all time and played better defense than Kobe, he’s not useless. Bosh would’ve packed his bags for Houston since Miami was not willing to match Houston’s offer in 2014. Gasol and Lowry would’ve signed. The following season Riley got an interview with Aldridge only offering him the mid level exception you best believe with Lebron on his roster and some cap flexibility due to Bosh leaving, Aldridge would’ve signed. Miami would then get the ancillary pieces to keep them competitive.
Humza Uddin Fourth greatest sg of all time*
Put some respect on the logo.
@@rellykz2175 Wade was better than Jerry. Lets not play around. I respect West but most players and analysts agree wade is the 3rd best SG of all time.
People need to remember that a lot of guys on that 2014 heat team (including wade and bosh) came out and said the final year of the big 3 in miami wasn't fun or enjoyable. Wade compared that year to being in a bad marriage and Bosh said winning that season only provided temporary relief before things got bad again. I'm sure that played a role in Lebron's decision too. He was probably as unhappy and worn out as the other guys making those statements were.
pat out here lookin like he about to announce he's retiring from wwf for good this time
BROTHER!!!
Woo ooooooo
It would be interesting to see a matchup between 2015 Warriors and 2014 Heat, but after 2016 is pretty hard to say Miami could stay like the best team in the NBA.
If LeBron stays in Miami, Wade takes a paycut, Bosh doesn't get the max, and they have the cap to revamp and add more pieces. Lebron would've been in a great situation. Miami is a way more attractive destination than Cleveland. He would've had it made...
Shamar DeCambre it wasn’t about that g it was all about winning one in his hometown
But he left all that to bring a ring to his hometown. What a legend.
Doesn't matter if he won't 10 rings the argument would have still been "he needed to form a superteam to do it" the one ring in Cleveland was worth more than 2 maybe even 3 at Miami
masterfunk kush Lol sure. If he wins against the spurs that second time he doesn’t leave. Lebron panicked and used that as an excuse to get out
Great points
LeBron'sMiami without Bosh > LeBron's Cavs with Kyrie and Love
The HEAT ended up getting Whiteside and Josh Richardson..that would have been an amazing team. The Heat would've been great defensively and really good on offense. Pick and Roll with Whiteside and J.Rich on the corner..??
Ifwhiteside was there while LeBron was there he would not have gotten the playing time or opportunity because everything would love been LeBron centric
They would've never got both those players if Lebron stayed
@@newrecruit100 i dont really think so bro. The Heat never had a center. They had Ronnie Turiaf, Joel Anthony, Dexter Pittman. I think he wouldve made that team better defensively, especially in the post since Bosh was pretty much getting outrebounded/outmanned in the post.
Plus goran dragic at the point position
I think Miami could of won more with LBJ, because Pat knew that he was was doing and then there was Mickey, who somewhat didn't mind going through the luxury tax, unlike Dan Gilbert. That Miami team would have given GSW a run for their money
Yeah regardless of Kevin Durant being there. The Heat's defense of Whiteside, Richardson, and Tyler Johnson was good for the team. Dragic will be a good point guard for them. And if Bosh did sign with James Harden and The Rockets. Riley would replace him with Pau Gasol for 1year $2.3M deal so that in 2015 they can sign LaMarcus Aldridge. And for 2016 they still will have cap space to still sign James Johnson and Waiters. The Heat had potenial to compete with the Warriors even if Kevin Durant sign's with them it will still be much more competitive then the Cavs-Warriors rivalry.
Actually, Dan Gilbert did go into the luxury tax. He was in it every year LeBron was in Cleveland.
“He would of won one more”
That’s exactly what he did with Cleveland tho...
Real Heat fans know what Dwayne wade brings to the table during the playoffs. Remember 2016 Dwayne wade ? And plus Riley would definitely add pieces to play with lebron. Who doesn’t want to play with lebron
whiteside bosh bron wade in 2015 would of won it all...thats all im saying...after that who knows...
That team that barely lost to Toronto when Bosh and Hassan went down?.... that team was deadly. Imagine bron on that squad
@Robert Phillips no
Imagine ESPN stopped talking about Lebron lmao
No one would watch
imagine if you stopped CLICKING on LeBron videos. It's not like you click on a daily 2 hour show and in that show they bring up LeBron a lot. You are CLICKING on LeBron James videos and then TH-cam uses analytics to keep fucking showing you LeBron videos and then you keep clicking on them. You are a fucking idiot
told them stop showing bron but you clicked on the video because of him
Folks forget that the Cavs sucked before James and HE brought Love there... So if lebron never went there Cavs would still be horrible... I am not a Lebron fan but i respect what he brings to teams... If he stayed in Miami they were locks for finals next few years...
dwyane wade
Wade injuries, Bosh health. No more titles. Lebron with a healthy kyrie and love should have had 2 total. Maybe 3 if no KD move
Wade became a splash when play in playoffs..that's I assure you..they will collect more titles in miami even w/o Bosh..
Bosh would’ve left in 2014 Houston was offering him a bigger contract. Miami would’ve used that money to retool their roster. Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, and Hayward were all options the Heat would’ve signed to retool their roster.
But kyrie and love wasn't healthy. You forget fast huh? 2015 no kyrie n love
Tell me You could win w/o game 6 green..and game 7 w/o bugot hahahaha
Him with kyrie and love definitely should have had 2 but the 1st championship run kyrie and l9ve was injured for the finals
Fun fact: LeBron started recruiting his Miami superteam since 2007.
Same year he was in the finals and saw he needed more help he faced the spurs . That was only his 4 year in the league straight outta highschool
What happened to Wade after 2014, no more true non popularity contest all-star appearances, Cole and Chalmers careers over. Ray, Rashard , Battier retired Birdman , Haslem benchwarmers. That roster was over the hill quick yet LeBron's blamed for it , no surprise there.
I agree. Out of that 10 year window, I think they would have got three more. Cuz I'm going by the landscape of the Eastern Conference and the free agents the last 8 years, that Riley would have made some moves and it would have been attractive for players to come to Miami to play with LeBron
They make it sound like Irving had nothing to do with the 3-1 comeback. He's the one making all the bank shot 3s and the freaky lay ups
Kyrie too soft to win a championship on his own
@@kopibin9532 Doesn't mean he wasn't key in the comeback. There's no law saying you have to be the leader to be important
I have a different perspective. I think if the Miami heat with LeBron faced the warriors in 2015, the heat would have won. The warriors became much better after they won the championship in 2015 which sparked their confidence to become the 73-9 team. Had the warriors been eliminated in the 2015 playoffs by the clippers, spurs, or thunder; I doubt they would have gone on that season winning run. But that begs the question, what if the Heat faced another team besides the warriors in 2015? A healthy Westbrook and Durant? A rematch with the spurs? Maybe cp3 and blake griffin lead clippers?
Just some things to think about.
miami would of won the 2015 and 2016 titles and if kd didnt go to the warriors maybe 2017 too...and should of won in 2011...the point is bron threw away 6 titles and thats why he deserves all the hate he gets now...
@@razkable Clearly you the one that wants to hate here lol. Making up some ridiculous comment in stating it as fact. If Wade was anywhere near like he was in the 2014 finals they would not have won anything.
@@razkable whattt 2015 I’ll give u that but 2016 He needed the perfect circumstance to barely escape with that win Wade in that stage wasn’t putting up 40 pieces like Kai was and not anyone is hitting that legendary shot after 2015 that window was going to be closed Bron thought more long term
I think when he signed the contract to go to MIA, he planned to stay for the rest of his career. Why else would he say, not 6, not 7...?
From what I remember, after they said that, the owner of the Cavs was pretty much a crybaby about it and it made LBJ feel bad and want to go back
Cause he knew they would only get 2
That were true then he would have signed a 7 year contract
I think he realized had he stayed eventually somebody other than him would be scoring 20 plus points a night and finally he would have a chance at winning a championship in Cleveland, not just playing in one. So he went back because that's ultimately all he wanted. Was to win even ONE, in Cleveland.
He thought Bosh and Wade would be as durable as he is....we all know how that turned out. He also wanted to win in Cleveland
A 2015 Warriors vs Heat (With trio) finals is interesting
2015-2019 will be known as the Dark Ages in the NBA. There is Zero competition, only really athletic, ringless superstars.
Raptors saved the NBA, becoming first team in NBA history to win a title without a lottery pick on the roster.
@@D95-d7y wow that's crazy to believe with all the quality players on that 2019 Raptors team, not a single one was a lottery pick!
@@coreyrowe2598 It really is, its a testament to what quality scouting can do.
That was not an 10 year team. They were cooked. Wade and Bosh were both out the league by 2021 which was the ten year mark.
Lebron probably would've won in 2015 had he stayed with the heat, wade was great in the playoffs that year, people forget that, it still baffles me how much wade seemed to be done in 2014, but then came back the next year so strong
yeah, DWade came back strong that 2014-15. looked in better shape than previous yr
Edward Cui when an absolute alpha plays the beta for so long, it wears on that person. Whether its for the team or not
The Great Western Trendkill he said he saved his knees just in case lebron left.
Glad they touched this topic cause I've wondered this many times
People would have went to Miami to join LeBron! It's MIAMI!!!
In 2014 they could’ve still signed luol deng and go over the cap for the Big 3 also pau gasol talked about taking a cheap contract with Miami but he went to Chicago because he knew lebron was leaving. They could’ve stacked up for sure
Imagine if LeBron stayed in Miami long enough to play in the Vice jerseys...
As a Heat fan the Bosh blood clots would really be the killer in that hypothetical scenario. Wade was still great for a couple of years and made a playoff run in 2016. Reports back then were that the Heat were going to get Kyle Lowry or Pau Gasol to commit which would have strengthened the team... ultimately we will never know but they would have had to go up against GS at some point. I believe they would have won in 2015 but lost thereafter.
B. Scott not putting into account that people would’ve signed with the heat going forward because LeBron would’ve been there
Everyone is missing the whole point. It wasn’t the rings, it was the fact that it would ALWAYS BE WADE COUNTY. Lebron wanted something that really hit home.
That 1 ring in Cleveland probably meant more to him, than both of the rings in Miami in totality.
Regardless that Miami team was great. Wade/Bosh/Lebron are all HOF regardless what any of you try to say.
after year 1 of the heat it waas brons team not dwade
Disagree with u here about Wade county. It was all the way Lebrons team after the first year. It's not like Durant and Steph where Steph was in his prime and playing MVP level basketball. Wade was solidly past his prime and was dealing with plenty of injury issues. Everyone knew Lebron was running the show and they were fine with it. As far as the ring in Cleveland meaning more, yeah of course since Cleveland is Lebrons hometown. But it had nothing to do with Miami being Wade county
slamandjam2 You missed the boat. It was Lebron team yes. But it was never his CITY. If it was TRULY Lebron keys, he would’ve been able to have his friends/family have more access and benefits with the team. They wont allowed to sit certain places, and etc.
Lebron left cause he still had a empty void in his heart. There’s No place like home, regardless how you look at it.
Now that he accomplished his mission, he is able to move on without feeling like he didn’t fulfill his promise.
Plus if it was his team, he would’ve been able to get rid of Erik Spoelstra. Lebron always wanted full access to team personnel and roster.
You may be thinking, that’s too much power. Yes indeed, but it works for Lebron. He makes sure his supporting cast get 💰, and he gets you to the finals (which is 💰 for the city/owner)!
Tristan Thompson, jr Smith, and others would’ve never got the contracts they got, without Lebron. Remember Lebron didn’t even sign his contract until they resolved the contract disputes with Tristan/JR.
Wade is forever the King of MIAMI, Lebron is the King of CLEVELAND. 💯
*Im not saying Lebron is perfect or the goat. That’s a never ending debate.
I saw a dynasty leave when Pat Riley left the Knicks. SMH
I think 13 heat with Allen and 2019 warriors would have been a great series
2013 heat would've beaten the 2019 warriors. The 2019 warriors remind me a lot of the 2014 heat. Defending champions that were still good, but seemed to be losing the dominance they once had amid the uncertainty of a possible breakup after the season. The warriors of 2017 or 2018 vs the 2013 heat would've been very interesting tho.
I feel like they would have been like golden state
The Heat with Lebron and Wade would’ve beaten the Warriors in 2015 and 2016. But Warriors with KD are unstoppable.
I don't think that would have been the case, KD would of stayed in OKC or, went to Miami instead of GSW to win rings
@Female Ass Is The Hottest Thing Ever If Lebron beat the Warriors in 2015, they would not have gone to win 73 the next year.
@Female Ass Is The Hottest Thing Ever Except they won which gave them the confidence to go for that run the following year. No chip in 2015, and they might not have even made it to the finals the following year. Especially considering how the Thunder were in 2016.
Honestly they should have won all 4 finals . And if he would have stayed and Pat Riley committed to improving the roster we could have won at least 2 more
should have won all 4? We got hella luck against the Spurs when we won. The next year SAS destroyed us with the best team basketball I've witnessed in my whole life..
People act like Kyrie is some kinda scrub and not the saving grace of Cleveland’s finals runs
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Warriors vs Heat finals would’ve been sick 🔥 73 win vs 66 win
That heat team after bron left was lowkey nice, add lebron make wade the 6th man, dont forget Pau would've came, that team would've been stacked
4:32 ye but he did that in Cleveland. And i think that playing for his own town maybe made a big role in the thing he was able to do on the court those years. He was a best there
LeBron would have been able to recruit better in Miami.
It could’ve worked the east was still weak. Wade take a pay cut Bosh take a pay cut or let him walk. And try to get some other big role players in there.Ppl are forgetting the biggest addition. Hassan Whiteside. He was in our g league team. Would’ve been Bron/Wade/Bosh/Whiteside bring in some shooters. They win 2015 and 16 finals. Facts.
It’s crazy how no one mentioned all the wade was a lil injured you had the rise of Hassan Whiteside so yea I’m pretty sure Miami would have made some noise
Pg:Grafic
Sg:wade
Sf:Richardson
Pf:Bron
C:Whiteside
Isn't LeBron An Small Forward
I imagine LeBron would have joined the Lakers in 2018 regardless of his decision in 2014. Had he stayed in Miami rather than return to Cleveland, the Heat would have made 8 straight Finals 2011-2018. Wade wouldnt have left in 2016, but Bosh would have still had the clots. The Heat probably would have still acquired Dragic and brought up Hassan Whiteside, so we would have had a core of Lebron, Wade, Dragic, and Whiteside plus top role players who have wanted to join. I'd say Miami would have beat the Warriors in both 2015 and 2016, then lose to the Warriors in 2017 and 2018 after KD joins them. By 2018, Wade is basically done and Bosh long gone, LeBron probably goes to LA just like he did and wins again in 2020. No Cleveland title, but LeBron is probably 5-5 in the Finals if he never left the Heat
Flash was actually great and in much better condition in 2015 and 2016 after a very difficult 2014 season, 2015 I'm picking the Heat all day over the GSW (trailed 2-1 to LBJ with no 2nd option btw), after that I have my doubts, but Pat Riley would have definitely made some moves so you never know, Heatles were a problem, how quick they forget smh
I hated that Miami team but man gsw and mia would of been fun to watch.
For those who don't understand how stupid and pathetic a move that was for lebron leaving Miami
The heat would've added Gordon Dragic (20PPG All star PG) and Hassan Whiteside along side Wade and Bosh AND lebron
3-6 for a reason
The Heat would not have had the salary cap space to trade for Dragic... not even had a need to trade for him.
Christopher Rountree lmfao dragic was only getting 7.5 million that season and pau gasol said himself if lebron didn't leave he was going to sign with the heat that season.
LebronBlew5Finals#NotTop5 #Needs2AllStarsToWin so? Y’all would cry about it that he joined a superteam it’s better to get one for ur hometown than 10 for another team whatever I’m the goat mj ain’t even close 11>>>>>>>>>> I cant even see his rings oh there they are 6
Bill 11 Rings Russell imagine making an account calling ur self the goat with *ZERO* finals MVPs lol sure bud
Bill 11 Rings Russell You got carried by Sam Jones and shot 44% as Center.You are not even the best celtic of all time much less the greatest player foh.
I hope Lebron improves his finals record cause that’s the only thing y’all hold against him. Y’all overlook that he was the first player to average a triple double in the finals, first player to overcome a 3-1 deficit in the finals, has a better shooting percentage than Kobe, top 10 all time scoring list, and many other achievements and awards.
Hard to say because of the whole Chris Bosh career ending medical condition but Pat Riley wouldn't let that stop them to atleast contend so i would probably give them 1 or 2 at most and that's pushing it because like what everyone else is thinking GSW came up and just like Miami they wouldn't just stand by and not recruit more help I mean look at them now an all star lineup without really needing it probably would've ended up as eastern all stars vs western all stars in the nba finals every year
Yeah and their rivalry will be fantastic. So much the Heat-Warriors rivalry will be called: Tournament of Power
I would roll with a team comprised of LeBron, dwade, whiteside, Winslow and josh Richardson. Then you get olynyk, dragic, waiters, adebayo coming off the bench? Whoo boy
In 2015 heat, with bron and wade would have won against the gsw.
Tracy is the only one who understands just how shit the Eastern Conference has been these past few years. Even Lebron and a hobbled D-Wade would make the Finals consecutive years had they stayed together, simply because there was practically no resistance in the east.
Miami was the only super team Lebron ever been on. Your on Drugs if u believe that CAvs team was a super team . Bench was no where near Miami’s . Miami had Ray Allen coming off the bench . Ennough said
I was thinking about this early this morning interesting they had this discussion as well.
4 him Whiteside and dion waiters would've been lethal
F&M Vlogs, lmaoooo come on man you can’t be serious. Waiters?! 😂
@@jesuspascual9080 Did you even watch Waiters in 2015 before injury? 😂
@@grandmaster9829
Hahahaha kuzma is putting up better number than waiters. He wouldn't of won nothing with a lazy center who is stealing millions from the heat and a okay player in waiters. Stop it man.
U tell me that whiteside will become a great perimeter shooter coz that what lebron does to bigs turns them to only jumpshooters
J Hancho I don’t know why but I laughed out hard reading this
I gotta admit that D.Wade , LeBron , and K.Love would've been a nice big 3
Your forgetting that he also would’ve got Hassan Whiteside. The first legitimate big man in lebrons would’ve ever had
Dubdub117 legit? Hassan is mediocre
agreed, whiteside the first few yrs after lbj left was a monster. would have made up the difference of losing bosh.
He got McGee now we going see what excuse is
Dynasty. LeBron kept Wade healthy in the season, and Wade kept James rested in the playoffs. They worked with each other well to keep The weight of the full season load off each other. The young talent Pat would've put on the team and the surgence of Whiteside as a legit Center would've help secure that dynasty tag.
NONE, the heat were done and demoralized by the Spurs. They were DONE!!!!!
That's right it's the Spurs that showed the Heat there is no way they can improve enough to beat the Spurs without adding another all star caliber player which they didn't have cap room for.
@@KrazieSevin wade had a degenerative knee and bosh was injured and washed, Houstan actually gave Bosh a big contract, if Lebron stays no way the heat match that, with Bosh's absence and cap room, they sign aldridge and Lowry or dragic, and Whiteside breaks out and Wade doesn't have as big of a role and plays better
@@shasankamadduri1998 Bosh wasn't washed, he was better than Wade tbh during the playoffs for sure, ya'll forgetting Bosh's numbers on the Raptors, he was a legit stud
@@KrazieSevin He wasnt washed, he was playing the wrong position, they played him at center instead of pf and that put him at a disadvantage
@@KrazieSevin Btw, they had cap, if Lebron stays, no way the Heat try to match the Rockets for Bosh, Pat Riley was getting Alridge but ALdridge said no cause he wanted Lebron to stay, they were also getting Lowry or Dragic, Lowry backed out cause Lebron went to Cleveland.
This is low key why KD shouldn’t leave GS. Lebron should have stayed on heat. They would have been a dynasty- he could be closer to goat convo if he stayed in Miami
Lebron should have joined pop and the spurs in 2010 that would have been his best chance at getting at least 5 rings
So it's all about ring chasing instead of winning for your team and team mates like old school NBA.
@@ronaldjackson7541 Name me another player on his team that is even remotely a top 30 player
LeBron in San Antonio means that there is no Kawhi Leonard.
LeBron orchestrates his NBA career perfectly, which is why he's ALWAYS the topic ... not to mention > off the court he's brilliant.
If lebron stayed bosh would've been in Houston
The only reason Bosh got that contract was because LeBron left. Pat would've left Bosh go to Houston. Wade would've taken less money, and another superstar would've came to South Beach. KD probably would've came to Miami instead of GSW. LeBron would have atleast 5 rings if he stayed
None. Wade and bosh were washed in the 2014 finals
Coolhands444 did you watched dwade play in 2015 and 2016 season? Probably not. Heat were better than cavs without lebron.
@@Manu-qq2im 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They weren’t washed ? They got beat by Tim Duncan Manu ginobili tony Parker Kawhi Leonard and a great coach . They would’ve beaten any other team Spurs were just hungrier for the revenge from the last finals .
Coolhands444 do you know what washed means? Miami would’ve won the 2015 finals. Bosh would’ve left to Houston since the Heat wouldn’t have matched his contract while having both wade and Lebron on roster. Riley would’ve picked up FA Aldridge, Lowry, and Gasol. Heat would’ve been fine.
How old are u
Nah T Mac is giving Wade too much credit Wade was a shell don’t allow these recent burst fool you. He was missing half the season at times leaving Lebron alone to carry
Dynasty all the way. Pat Riley would have been dealing when he knew bosh was out and d wade declining. He da godfatha 😎
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Miami has a roster full of bad contracts, hasn’t attracted anybody useful in FA, ran d wade out of town, and hasn’t done anything meaningful post lebron. Some godfather
If LeBron stay in Miami they probably won 2-3 titles in for 4-5 years no doubt
What if Ray Allen had stayed in Boston??!! 😂😂🤣🤣
I believe in Ray Allen cause he's was a clutch player in the playoffs with the winning 3 to seal the game,everybody talk about Dwayne Wade and LeBron but not about Ray who came to the Heat
Never shoulda left Miami. Erik Spoelstra was the best coach Bron’s ever had and Pat Riley was the best GM Bron’s ever had. Way better than Cavs management or Magic Johnson. I truly believe he woulda won 2 more titles. I think that Miami team (who ended up with Whiteside the next year) coulda beaten the young Warriors squad. Also I believe Riley would know how to re-up and attract new free agents. In Cleveland, all he really had way Kyrie and role players. Once he lost Kyrie, everything fell apart. Yes Bron woulda been hated more if he stayed, but who cares if you’re winning.
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Pat would have made sure that he was in on the KD free agency. He would have sold KD easy I believe. With Warriors beating KD and maybe Miami losing to the Warriors, that would have created the perfect storyline; for Pat.
Also Pat would have gotten vet players to take less. Lbj cost himself 2 to 3 rings. End of story.
the heat after 2014 were a depleted roster which was only made worse by Lebron leaving but what people forget is that the heat surprisingly added Goran Dragic for some draft picks and Hassan Whiteside emerged almost out of nowhere. so now you are talking about wade, Lebron, Whiteside, and Goran. That team would have easily made the finals in 2015 and more than likely defeated the warriors. Remember Lebron with Tristan and delly took the warriors to 6 games so I have no doubt an injured wade, Goran, and Whiteside would have been more than enough to beat them. as far as 2016 goes I think the warriors would have won that title because they made a huge leap. where it gets interesting though is that 2017 I don't think it would have been Durant to the warriors, I think it would have been Durant to the heat. bosh's contract would have been cleared off of the books, Whiteside was a free agent but had a small cap hold so they could sign him while going over the cap wade would have likely taken a paycut if the team was still competing for titles. so it would have been Draymond, Steph, and Klay going against old wade, Lebron, Durant, Goran, and Whiteside, that is when I think the heat dynasty would have started.
Agree and the NBA wouldn't be like this at all.
No lie, Golden State has the same team throughout Miami’s dominance. The moment LeBron left is the moment Golden State instantly became a championship dynasty. That’s not a coincidence.
Whiteside got picked up halfway through the season that following year and instantly became a household name and a dominant center. Although he has his weaknesses, no one can deny dude would’ve been a 25-15-5 player if LeBron was his running man.
Yeah, Bosh got injured. But the league loves LeBron so much they would’ve made sure Bosh’s injury would’ve open up enough cap space for them to bring in a really good role player. Also, i’m sure Ray Allen would’ve stayed in the league for as long as he could shoot. Then Miami drafted Josh Richardson, who, with LeBron would’ve developed faster (since he’s a shooter and slasher that plays high level defense).
anyone that thinks Miami wouldn’t have challenged Golden States emergence is either dumb or a hater. Damn i miss those Miami teams. The league been trash ever since Bron left Miami. Now it’s Golden State vs Everybody.
Agree if Goku(LeBron) had stay the Heat-Warriors Rivalry could been potentially this decade's Celtics-Lakers Rivalry.
Miami was the best front office & coaching LeBron ever had. they would of made it happen and I believe LeBron would be in a better place and not have to worried about help.
Agree and Miami was the best for Goku's (LeBron) career. He had Vegeta (D-Wade) Master Roshi (Pat Riley). Miami was perfect. And the Heat-Warriors rivalry would be epic just like the Tournament of 🔋.
@@AAPGoku Agree 100% and D-wade would eventually come off the bench making them the best bench squad, through his leadership & skills, and holding LeBron accountable for his actions. U notice that since D-wade no one holds his accountable that's why he is not even trying on Defense
@@tavaresprice750 yeah he would come off the bench and Waiters will be the starting 2. If Goku (LeBron) had stayed ESPN won't have to talk about the drama that surrounds him in both the Cavaliers and Lakers.
@@AAPGoku There still be drama he finds a way to cry. His situation would just be handle better by management.
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lebrons 1 Cavs ring > any more rings he could have won with the heat
Wow what fucking shit they were beating a spurs team with a top 10 player of Duncan and kawaii. That 1 ring is worhh a lot but only 1.25 of the heat rings
In that case kyrie 1 Cavs ring > any more rings curry has won with the GSW
LilLXD so how many losses is the Dallas series worth ?
@@izzy6918 no, LeBron lead the cavs not kyrie. And imo I respect steph and his achievements. Curry deserves his titles. It's kd I have an issue with...
@@izzy6918 They both the same but Lebron is from Cleveland and that ring will mean the most to him
2015 miami with lebron will beat 2015 warriors. Idk about the warriors with kd though.
He would’ve never been loved like he is now
miami heat vs 15-16 warriors would a been a beauty to watch
They would've made it back Finals in 2015 the Heat would've beat the Warriors no doubt 🤔 but idk about 2016 or 2017 or 2018 but if LeBron made it w the trash Cavs team in 2018 w out Irving I think the Heat could've went not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 not 8 but 9 straight finals but idk because of Chris Bosh health problems plus D Wade was declining but I don't blame him, he brought a title to his home land titles in Miami don't mean anything just like the Warriors w KD those "Championships" dont mean a damn thing.
Kevin M oh but they do tho. LeBron CREATING AND BUILDING a team is COMPLETELY different than KD joining a 73!! Win team!!! My god. I don’t see how people don’t understand this
T-mac was right, Riley would have gotten a good player after Bosh's injury. They have Whiteside and Dragic
Damn all the kids who started watching the NBA last season acting like NBA Analysts in the comment section💀💀💀
They would have still got Whiteside and Dragic. If Lebron went to 4 straight finals with the Cavs. So would have the Heat. And with Lebron still on the team. People would have been running to go to hot weather no tax Florida.
The spurs and the warriors would have made sure the heat wouldn’t have won another championship lol what are these guys talking about lol
Epix Vids that 2015 warriors ain’t beating 2015 miami with lebron.
@@Manu-qq2im yes they were
Melvyn Singleton nah
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Joel Anthony and Chalmers ain’t better than Draymond and Bogut. 72 was a lot more wins. Lebron and Westbrook are only good at LOOSING stats 😂😂😂
Gasol and Ariza were already lined up to sign with the Heat. Lebron told them not to sign with Miami because he knew he was going to leave. LeBron screwed up by leaving the Heat. He could have 4 or 5 championships right now instead of 3. Miami is the only place where lebron had any sort of organizational structure around him and he traded that for winning one in Cleveland... I get that winning a title for Cleveland was huge and important but I would rather win 5 in Miami than 1 in Cleveland. If LeBron knew what he knew now I bet you he would’ve stayed at least a couple more years before trying to win with the cavs again. LeBron got in his own way of winning more titles. Best organization and coach he has played for by far because he’s not the one making the decisions. Miami easily could’ve re-tooled around lebron
Who’s Wade guarding? Klay? Steph? nah they getting swept just like Cleveland
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Klay be scoring primarily off of screens fym?
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Wade is one of the best defenders at the guard position ever fuck you mean??
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