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- (November 22, 2012) Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon discuss how the public's relationship with LeBron James has evolved over the past ten years from high school to the NBA.
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We take it for granted, but the fact that LeBron survived essentially being a teenage star, and not only surpassed all the hype on the court, but has come out as a seemingly pretty norma and good dude, is absolutely freaking amazing.
It's truly more impressive than his actual career. Child stars RARELY turn out normal and if they do to any extent it's because they petered out somewhat young and returned to a more normal life.
Well, ya know, lebron spent his childhood surrounded by trainors and he was working as hard as he could to be the best. He had to start from almost nothing and earn it all. Unlike child stars who are surrounded by yes men and don't do nearly as much work in a day as lebron did in like 2 hours even as a 15 year old. So i think thats a part of the reason for why he's humble.
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@@Lootroq lol? more impressive than his career? i'm calling it now, right after the AD trade, Lebron will win in LA and one day will be the POTUS
@@billybones6463 I am very intrigued by what could become of LeBron and his superteam with Maverick Carter and Rich Paul. Has something like that ever existed before in sports? Look at all the people in the media who are there because they started out essentially with LeBron from high school or have earned their money talking exclusively about him.
the greatest and most scrutinized athlete of the 21st century
RIP Alimoe kobe
Dj ish kobe wasn’t scrutinized dummy and still isn’t. He’s considered a top 15 player all time by everyone and the second best SG to play the game.
Romeoosso Gaming then you didn't watch basketball from 2003 to 2015 plus before that because he was supposed to be next MJ Bron its only because of things he says or does to stay in the headlines and promote how great he is and ppl put him past all time greats who achieved more and were better players than him and faced different controversies that made them great While YOUR KING is protected and babied so you can't say nothing about him cuz he'll cry or his minons will its kinda sad that ppl don't see whats going on even if its put on TV for you to make the connections
Dj ish Kobe wasn’t scrutinized dumbass. Nobody knew he was gonna be a star. He was the 13th pick in the draft. He didn’t start facing scrutiny until after his rape case. People been criticizing Lebron since he was in high school as you can clearly see in this video.
Romeoosso Gaming stfu
The fact that the 08-09 Cavs are tied 15 in NBA HISTORY regular seasons records with his 2nd best player being Mo Williams is enough to be called one of the best feats by any superstar ever.
W lol
Deli God I think that, plus getting deep into the playoffs after his first few years, plus being able to average 27 every year (his career ppg is top 5 or 10 in NBA history) as a player without a mastered perimeter/post move, and being hailed as one of the best forward passers ever is what puts him on Mount Rushmore. He also did all of this without upper tier/experienced coaching. If he had a good coach/system and a good culture it's feasible that he could be even greater, as he's basically a Tim Duncan-level on-court coach.
The guy has his faults, though. He shrinks like no other superstar under pressure, and has not evolved out of it completely as his career has progressed (you can see him getting better, but not good enough to truly say he's either clutch or the guy at the later stages of games). He has been in the league 14 years, and has not developed his free throw shooting, or mastered any perimeter/post scoring moves (honestly I don't knock him as much as I used to for this, as his athleticism hasn't dropped off that much yet, and he might be a "big" in the sense that shooting is a difficult skill for him to master). He has also been in a very weak conference for some time now, and even though its impressive he hasn't let any lesser competition beat him over this span, it also begs the question of would he still be as dominant and able to carry his team to the finals every year if he were in the West.
he just sorted out those two 'flaws' and won a championship whilst 3-1 down
Big White Duck yeah he’s actually really clutch in the finals
d Wolfe facts
This video could've been waaaaaay longer.. ESPN is holding out
Well its 17 years of course it'll be longer
Still can't believe we picked Darko over Carmelo smh....
nevermindme313 it's because we already had tayshaun at SF but still wish we picked Melo as well
nevermindme313 y'all gonna hold that L for all of time lol
shoudlve took wade
Me to smh
Didn't Detroit win a ring with Darko in his rookie year ?
LeBron was 22/23 in 2007 and they were talking about him like he was already a grown man in his prime. It’s insane how much pressure this guy had from such a young age, yet has had no major hiccups off the court,
If u have a beautiful girl u met in high school and was there with u wen u had nothing, wat more do u need. He got wealth, and a real woman. Life is complete.
@@tonywasikhongo7510 lol yeah as if its that easy...its incredible, there is no downplaying it
@@tonywasikhongo7510 true but it was harder for him then jordan, kobe and curry. Lebron grew up so poor he couldn't even afford to stay with his mom. Meanwhile kobe and curry had nba dad's and kobe, curry,and jordan all had both parent households they grew up in, infact their parents were all married but LeBron's
He said you slurped him from the jump😂
Unkown Bih 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Unkown Bih Haha that was raw as hell. They would have tried to fire his ass on any other network. lol.
I had to rewind and play it again lmaoo. I didn't believe what i was hearing.
LOL about the Pistons picking Darko over Melo.
They say it all the time
the fact that they tried to sweep jordan and magic's failures under the rug while LeBron's will never be forgotten really shows how great he is. Guy is held to a standard no other professional athlete has ever been held to
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Truth!
This is raw. I love seeing old pti footage.
Scott Bennici
Favourited this so I can watch it 20 years from now with a beer and bong.
They covered him since High School. Dang
Joseph Roth what means is that the media has been reporting and talking about him for since he was in highschool.
12 YEAR OLD DETECTED
the OP who doesn't remember hearing about lebron when he was a high schooler because OP was like 3 years old in 2002
ESPN showed his high school games on national TV. Were you born yesterday? You probably don't even know about the Hummer scandal.
What does my age have to do with any of this.
"I'll take Darko over both"
King Alex F A C T S
-Dumars?
Said the pistons. Heard darco was dead....
lmfaoooo
LOL
Lebrons career up to this point has been such an amazing story
Faxx goat james
hes the greatest
Wilbon really thought Melo was better than Lebron 😭😂
lol I did too. and I mean the sparkles and all
Shane he was that first NBA year. Problem was Carmelo never got any better and LeBron improved year after year. Carmelo was always a 23-7-1.5 type stat while LeBron consistently improved his shot and his passing.
BPDMF yeah I mean he was also a year older
BPDMF no he wasn’t
I think a decent amount of ppl did at the time. Melo had a great rookie year
Glad I lived to watch this guy. The most Pressured NBA player but lived up to the hype. Covered since high school never been to college and brought a championship to his home town. I don't care how many rings Kareem Jordan or Bill won. Nothing's more special then bringing to the city you grew up in. Top 5 player ALL TIME. The KING
Brought championships to every team he played on
Greatest ever
@@hoodfellah FACTS , both conferences at that won mvp every chip
I actually wanna see Skip Bayless talk about Lebron throughout the years LOL The Biggest Lebron Hater Ever
Bhowan 9596 no point. He's never given props. Only hates
True it will only be hate from Skip, but I want to see how the hate changes over time like before lebron won his first ring, after he won, went back to Cavs and won etc. It will just show us no matter what Lebron does, Skip will always have something bad to say about the KING.
Bhowan 9596 whenever you call lebron out for something or you tell the truth you're immediately labeled as a hater
HerElixer W
he already did it's called more then a game
Lebron has been in the spotlight since young and strive all against odds reason why I respect him
Me too. I've come to realize that he won't have as a good a resume as some other all time greats (Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic), but for me that's all secondary. The fact that he didn't crumble under all the scrutiny and criticism and pressure he had faced for his entire career (literally from the jump) for me is why I'll always respect him. I can remember my elementary gym teacher telling us 5th graders who were so excited to see LeBron play in his first NBA game that he'll be a bust and that he'll be ass. I sometimes wish i could go back and tell him to suck it lol.
yonis gure 😂😂
I DONT KNOW ALL TIME SCORER 4 TO 5 MVPS 4 TO 5 CHIPS GOING TO 6 STRAIGHT FINALS HARD TO BEAT THAT RESUME SON.
Thorn flex You are delusional. I can go on for hours of how blinded people are by the ghost of Michael Jordan. There are many things Jordan is better than LeBron at and there are a ton of things LeBron is better than Michael at. LeBron is nearing Michael and if he stays healthy and keeps doing what he is now, he will become the #1 player in history. The only thing better than Michael Jordan the ghost of Michael Jordan...end of story
I agree, especially now with social media it can be really hard, every website has a comment section and most of them a filled with hate comments. There are always a shitload of people that are quick to judge and exagerate every little thing someone does or says.
Some retired players, including Isaiah Thomas from the Pistons bad boys age, who were considered to be tough guys, said how hard it is nowadays and that they admire how Lebron is able to thrive even with all that social media pressure and hate.
in 25+ years, Lebron will have PhD level papers written on his career. He is the best (or at least right up there with Magnus Carlsen & Terrence Tao) ) modern example of a prodigy the world has ever had. For centuries, our best examples were guys like Mozart. But now, we have unprecedented access and info to understand what makes these prodigies great. I cant't wait to see how Lebron's post career is treated.
Pavlovic was wide open and he hesitated, you can read LeBron's lips "Wide open". He's been making the right basketball play for years and he still gets criticized, that's bs
Samuel Afewerki but look who he gave the ball too tho
to a brilliant three point shooter who's wide open. that's a right play
dekendrick copeland the guy was a good 3 point shooter
game 6 in boston, never forget
top 5 game of all time
no kidding. if your talking about 2012. that was one of the best series ive ever seen
Ik 😢
45 points
Dude killed the celtics in 3 quarters. Remember i skipped class that day to watch that game and no regrets what so ever man. One of the best games I have ever seen by Lebron man.
How I wished I could go back to that time and be one of you who witnessed that epic game of LBJ's career.. I only start watching him when he joined in Miami Heat (his 3rd and 4th season) and it was all great but the most epic for me is the 2016 championship, we all know what happened there. WoW.
This is why LeBron is the 🐐.
Most hype athlete of all time except for maybe Tiger Woods.
Not only match but exceeded all the hype to actually become an all-time great Hall of Famer.
Playing his best basketball of his career in his 15th season.
This shit almost makes you wanna tear up. I can't wait until he retires and they make a movie and shows all the behind the scenes LeBron lifestyle of coming up short making decisions and him finally winning rings owning the league
John Doe dumb , Jordan didn't win till he got pippen, Robert parish , Dennis rodman , all HOF
John Doe it aint his fault Cleveland didn't draft well like SA okc GS super team lmao not even close
John Doe Like I said owned the league still the most relevant and talked about player 😉😂😂😂
@TheRealJuiceTv Do you really think 43 year old Robert Parrish made a difference? Hahahaha
Jordan also won 3 rings before Rodman!
Kevin Brown 👌
This makes me feel old, but you know what'll make everyone feel super old? When LeBron James Jr makes the NBA in 6-7 years.
dudeeee I cant
The crazy part is LeBron should still be in the league barring a major injury or he just falls off.LeBron vs his son will be one of the highest rated games in nba history
Along with D Wade's son! They're going to be the new big 3 lmao
+Rick Scorsese, Lebron plans on signing with whatever team signs his son when the time comes. He was quotes as saying "the biggest accomplishment in my life would be playing in the NBA with my son"
And it also feels old when lebron was a rookie the kings were contenders
Almost 15 years later and this dude is a Top 5 G.O.A.T in almost every non-Kobe haters list.
I Feel Like Yeezus -And it will never be the overrated curry
eBron James it will never be Lefart either, Jordan is the GOAT and always will be until somebody with more talent comes along
Baller Baby I'm just stating facts
Baller Baby people can only mention the finals when someone says he is the goat
@@ifeellikeyeezus8525 after lebron yep
nigga said " if he pans out darko will be the best outta the 3" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This man been dealing with criticism from the world before he even finished high school . This man deserves his damn Respect.
*Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup, Oh blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!*
"I don't care what he did in high school" but LeBron was playing a national schedule in high school
#1 pick as a junior ...he is way different than anything we have ever seen
I remember Wilbon saying LeBron wasn't a high jumper when he came in the NBA. He constantly got it wrong when it came to LeBron.
but boi LeBron got hops
My bad I meant to say Wilbon said LeBron wasn`t a high jumper.Of course LBJ has hops.
This was incredible to watch the progression of how the media has viewed LeBron through the years.
I cant wait to see the full clip, its still goin
LeBron James will retire with more assists than Magic, more points than anyone, more seals than Allen Iverson and more threes than Bird.
I hope you are right
Seals yes
This was dope they should do this for other players too
G Malco yep
G Malco not many live up to the hype
G Malco I don't think you understand LBJ basically created sports debate shows because he is so polarizing before him PTI & First Take didn't matter
G Malco why???? what have they done
Yeah it would be cool to see other superstars like Jorden, and the dynasty teams that have been around.
Even if you hate lebron you have to give credit to the fact that since Lebron was 16 he was under intense pressure and has lived up to the pressure and expectations
Criticizing James for losing to loaded Celtics....guy played with who?
I love how @5:28 they mention how Jordan was able to get his losing record team into the playoffs because the East was so weak. Lebron haters always talk as if Jordan only played the best of the best in the playoffs every series.
LeBron scrutinized since he was in high school! Are you really demonizing him for buying a Hummer? Don't ever disrespect the GOAT like that!
We got to stick in. The Curry bandwagon is getting stronger. Resist, brother!
- They weren’t criticizing him, they were criticizing his mom for taking out a big loan for a luxury item based on possible future earnings, which is unwise.
- He wasn’t the GOAT at the time, he was a high school prospect
This video should be renamed "I hate Lebron a Mike Wilbon Story"
soul43 more like “I’m an MJ homer and am insecure about Lebron possibly being better a Mike Wilbon story”
😂
I used to be what some would consider a "Lebron Hater", though most of it came from him playing for a team that would always meet my favorite team (The Celtics) in the playoffs. But anyway, I'm here to say that LBJ is probably one of the most unappreciated great players the NBA has ever seen. I've come to a point where, yes maybe you won't see me go out and buy an LBJ jersey, but this guy deserves so much respect than what some people give him! We are witnessing one of the greatest player of this generation, and instead of enjoying his career, people throw so much dirt on his name! This timeline is just a a glimpse of his unique, dynamic, and great career.
boy was they wrong about Darko smh
truthseeker89 for life h
These were the days Skip Bayless was losing his mind over the chosen one. I remember before first take the show was called Cold Pizza.
my top 5 are jordan, magic, lebron, Kareem, Kobe. In no particular order. IMO
Galvith Kobe can't be there,not the beat as his position,pg-magic,sg-jordan,sf-lbj,pf-duncan,I love Barkley but I think with my head not heart,c-kareem. All by position and all are considered the best at their position.
LeBron's rock bottom was the Dallas series. And all he's done since then is win 3 titles and put up MVP caliber numbers year after year.
4 and still crackin
Four and still playing
it's crazy how many big names have come and gone since Bron entered the league.
The original First Take
Mike Hall no Cold Pizza was the original first take
Don’t ever compare first take to PTI you fool
Personally I think James will end his career with 5 rings and one more regular season MVP. That's just me. But only time will give the answers
Sammy Sam literally same bruh
U might have nailed it on the head sammy
who's here after Bron won his fourth title?
The Darko discussion has me depressed as a Pistons fan. SMDH Kornheiser
You guys still got a ring that season
@@modmav5594 yeah but imagine if we had Melo or Wade...rings
Lebron fan since day 1..It's amazing to have whitness the growth..Lebron literally saved the NBA. Even with Kobe..The NBA & the Media was still lookin for the Next MJ. Lebron saw-came-&-conquered. If Kobe reminded you of MJ, Lebron made you forget about him haha. KINGGoatStatus...#IncomingMJ-Stans
Imagine the pressure LeBron has been under most of his life
with all you comparing him to MJ, now imagine if MJ grew up like that.
this was really cool, this should be a regular thing
LeBron has overcome so much adversity and still going! #Witness👑 #StrivingForGreatness💪
Still...
How funny that LeBron got criticism piled on him for not beating Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett. When he's 23-years-old and going to battle with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao.
I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times. I don't care what legend you pick. If you're the '03 Cavs and you take MJ or Kobe or whoever else, they're not taking them to a title. People love to discredit LeBron when throughout his career he has elevated mediocrity to very high levels. Not everyone gets a Scottie Pippen or prime Shaq. LeBron had to go out of his way, to Miami, to get the Robins to his Batman. And look what Cleveland did without him, they were the worst team in the league. LeBron had to leave so Cleveland could bomb so he could come back when they actually managed to get some talent. LeBron James is the most talented human being to ever play basketball point blank period. If you want to discredit him for not winning as many rings or for failing, go on ahead. But LeBron is just the best. He'll be the all-time leading scorer, a top 5 all time passer, and he's going to do it as a 6'8" 260 pound pass-happy point forward. Pretty outstanding.
💯....now he is going for back to back titles in LA as the leading candidate for mvp in year 18....unprecedented greatness right now....pumped for the NETS game tonight
Darko!!?? Lmfao
i love PTI, wish you guys could do more compilations of uncle mike and tony!
Wilbon was really riding Melo in the early 2000s. Almosy 20 years later that's forgot except by this amazing video. LONG.LIVE.THE.KING👑👑👑👑
This was dope! Miss watching PTI.. Used to be my daily staple along with Around the Horn
funny how much Wilbon like Melo earlier on and here we are in 2017 and he still hasn't won anything.
did he just say u slurped him from the jump. wow I'm shocked
As a Pistons fan, I started crying at 2:50
Well yall won the chip that year so it don't really matter 😂
I still don't understand why those salty CAVS fans burned Lebron's Jersey's way back 2011. And then when he came back, suddenly changed their mood. Not really a fan of LBJ. But he deserves/ed respect.
Worst NBA fans for me: less class.
1.OKC
2.CAVS
But I mean, the okc fans had valuable reasons to be upset when Kd left lol.
I live in Cleveland. We have the worst fans. Period.
"if darko maxes out hell be better than all of them" lol
Hating for 15 years. Kind of Impressive.
18 now
Wilbon aging like wine tony aging like milk
sean24833 lmao
well tony is white...they age terribly
Crazy he said he got Lebron playing in LA when he opts out. Welp he’s in LA.
More than Darko, I'm just laughing at the Carmelo talks drifting to what he is right now...SAD!
As a hardcore Miami Heat fan I can't believe it's been 8 years already since he joined the Heat! 8 years damn! It was one hell of a ride though! #GoHeat
The Heatles was a wild ride for sure...they really were like rockstars traveling city to city
"Slurped him from the jump" Lmao Wilbon...
On ESPN lmao
The childhood memories of watching these guys (sigh) freaking love PTI.
"And if you have 45 points and you need 49, then you have to get 49."
Highly ridiculous
why didn't you update this espn? the last couple of years are relevant too...
Please upload more of these! With or without Tony and Mike introducing it!
Awesome video guys!
I see January 2006 was the beginning of this LeBron isn't clutch narrative. 😂
John T. Washington lol they was wrong too
Despite his clutch moments as a youngin against the Wizards, they said what they said, and I'll be damned it all manifested. They wanted what Skip use to call a "walk off shot" that wasn't a layup. They wanted a jump shot from what Skip called the Greatest Driver Ever going to the hole. Until he had no choice but to confront those demons. Even though they got him on the ropes(Mavs, Boston Game 5 the next year), he FLAMED them all to keep his legacy in tact. 45, 15, 5(Boston)+ 3-1 Comeback(GS) = STFU!
The Incredible Link shut up
I was in the tenth grade at that time and that's when Skip Bayless started bringing it up
Never understood it because he had clutch moments against the wizards and the 2007 game 5 performance against Detroit was on another level.
Turns out he was more than ready lol
Wilbon saying that tony slurped him from the beginning on national TV is wild asf lol 😂
They need to update this
Greatest player of all time and I watched kareem and jordan play and bird and some hardwood classic tapes of wilt with my grandaddy. Lebron does more for a team then any player Ive ever witnessed, period
Wilboun in that backwards hat was the highlight of the video
This is amazing, if somehow there is a service with all the espn shows... PTI ATH, FT, SC, etc where i can relive momenst from two decades ago, i would gladly hand over my cash
I've been looking for this video for a VERY LONG time....ever since they took down all the Grantland videos.
RIP Grantland
Since high school...oh man how long.
So glad i live in cleveland and got to watch his entire early career with the cavs game for game
I love watching PTI it's my favorite show May it live on forever!!
LeBron being scrutinized since high school and he exceeded the expectations big time top 5 player of all time hands down.
great video
LeBron is the best in the world and we all know that! Does he deserve all the talk and the hate because he left Cleveland and came back?
I wish they did an updated version of this about lebron and about Carmelo and Wade
Damn, maybe the Pistons should've drafted Carmelo Anthony. Get some offense to go with that early 2000s Detroit defense!!
Every time I forget about us drafting Darko I find a video that talks about him smh
Ah yes. Wilbon changing his tone every day during that offseason about where LeBron was going.
hahaha Wilborn said Melo would be the best out of the top 3 and the othe guy though it was gonna be Darko hahahahah. Seriously now, they should be embarassed to show these tapes lol
Luckymag 2016 if only Melo had more drive, he seemed hungry early when they had AI & even in '09. Seemed like his focus waned off and on. Melo could've had a much better career.
Lebron is a complete success story, man grew up so poor his mom couldn't afford to raise him, he stayed with ten to 11 different people before he was even 16 and yet everybody assume he had trainers at his beckon cal from day one man said it was time he didn't even know if his mama was alive and somehow "fans" think all he cared about was basketball from day one. Y'all couldn't dare walk LeBron's shoes. Only billionaire athlete who grew up in the projects u can think of at the top of their head. Only billionaire who grew up in a single parent household u can name. Give that man his flowers. Somehow he didn't work hard to be skilled but Curry and Kobe somehow did even tho they BOTH have NBA dads. Only top star who dealed with social media era. Kobe barely tasted it, Jordan didn't taste it and neither did Magic or Bird. Bron the greatest ever, Period
Best show on ESPN
PTI is my favorite show on ESPN
Yo this was dope! Should have one for Tom Brady.
After watching this it feels like the pti guys don't know much.
Damn this was sooo dope . Ps damn time flys bro
Wilbon said tony was sluprping him from the jump lmaoooo ayooo
Glad to be able to watch Bron through the years. Salute to all you've done to prove every haters that you're a special talent, a once in a generation atlethe.
The part where they showed his Hummer in high school made me laugh so hard
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Satanic Skater not the goat but he great
King Baller 23 Maybe for you he's not and i dont have any problem with that. But for me.. He is. no doubt.
Your opinion is wrong. Michael Jordan > lefart jame in every way shape and form. 😊
Anton Grandien lmao nice joke
I Feel Like Yeezus FACTS