Around 50:00 the card “Fred “ is shown, but not mentioned. As an audio only listener on Apple podcasts I had no idea what you were talking about and had to open TH-cam to find out. Please be mindful in the future to always mention the card name at least. Thanks for all the high quality content, keep up the work!
1:14:42 double quest tamatoa; 1:21:34 does the shuffle ur deck have any value by itself--- like if u visions a few times and placed cards all the way in the bottom? 1:27:34 discard the lilo, so that it comes back next turn
I think Moyen mis-evaluated sail the azurite sea. It is card neutral like one jump. The main difference is it isnt a song, it is inkable, it requires you to have a card you want to ink (but it can be a card drawn later). I think that in a world of ursula deceivers, this card is wayyyyy better than one jump unless you have a ton of uninkables in your deck.
Mosquito bite works for cards needing damaged characters, but does not trigger beast relentless. Same as a belle moving a counter, Adding a counter is not the same as dealing damage. That’s why it gets around resist. 1:24:22
The bazaar is legit one of my favorite games of all time. Ive spent all my free time on it myself. Glad others are enjoying it. Probably not a game for everyone but it is a game for me 100%
for the Bend to my will combo, there's also another combo you can put in you deck, T1: Basil, T2: tipo or Sail, T3: Prince John, T4: Shift Basil, sign Friend like Me. You could do your turn 4 in turn 3, it also works or keep Friend one more turn.
I love that we spend time talking about the 60 cards or more lol. They way i describe it to my friend is if you’re playing blackjack and have 16 and the dealer has a 10 showing you are supposed to hit. Let say that happens 100 times and if on try 100 you didn’t and won that doesn’t mean keep doing it that way. Statistically you’re more likely to win playing correctly but you can still win randomly playing incorrectly. The biggest thing I hate in games is when people say you always draw what you need or you top decked the win you lucky. I play 60 cards i mulligan properly and play 4 of certain cards to increase my odds to see them to win. 1 card 100% can be what causes people to lose. (If you play 1 of a card, and 61 cards in a deck and top deck it to win, YOU are lucky 😂)
Something to discuss RE: Jim Hawkins. The Ink+2 carries over to the shifted character. So, If you play the 2 drop on x turn, then play the shift line on turn x+1 (after inking) the new Jim is actually a 7/5, with the benefit of 1 ping damage on play. So you COULD take down an 8 willpower location (cough, library,cough) on 3, or a single 1 willpower character and something else up to 7 willpower.
Are you sure it carries over? Abilities and buffs don't usually tend to carry over. For example, if you shift on top of a rush card that has been played this turn, your shifted character doesn't get rush.
Abilities don't cary over, but buffs and conditions (and damage) do. If something is given a stat buff or debuff it does cary over (think someone playing a Kida against you, you cant get around the -3 by shifting something else onto it. The character still has -3). But you are right, this is challenger
@@scottalshanski5056 Yea, I looked a little more, he still gets challenger +2 because he was granted it by the inking, not by the existence of the card.
You have definitely helped me come around on the rotation concept. Being new to TCGs it just seemed bad and painful to “invalidate” old cards that I purchased and love, but I totally understand how it helps the health of the game design without needing to beat the value of old cards with every new set. I really think that we get a ton of value out of the cards that we get to play with for so long that keeping the game balanced and fun is way more important.
Frank Karsten mentioned tutors specifically when it came to running over 60. There could definitely be a world years from now where lorcana has a bunch of tutors in which case running over 60 becomes good.
I’ve been doing some testing w set 6 cards and I have to tell you, sapphire steel is staring to feel like a real combo deck. Oswald and chicha with sail, maurice’s workshop with fortishphere and pawpsicle… into ariels tamatoas and dimes is nasty. You are drawing tons of cards all the time, and it’s not rare to see a +12 lore tamatoa on board.
From coming from mtg I always hated standard. But, for lorcana I would play a standard format for lorcana. The only thing though, I never see this game making reprints for this game. I feel 8 sets is a very good amount for a standard. I would like an eternal format like mtgs vintage would be great as well. Keeps the value of older cards. I also think you can make crazy combos in an eternal format because that's just fun!
I feel like just limiting cards would be cooler than a total ban of certain cards or even a rotation. Like just limiting Faversham and/or pawpsicle to 3 copies or something, so it's still playable, but leaving options for new additions that can be better than the limited versions of that draw engine. Same with like limiting be prepared to 2 and so on.
At two different DLCs, I have had matches where an opponent plays a card like Ariel, Spectacular Singer, and in lieu of putting the cards on the bottom of the deck “accidentally” shuffle the cards back into their deck. In one case my opponent admitted there were two a whole new world in the cards returned to deck (and he had already used two). Judges ruled in both cases, since the cards to be put on bottom cannot be verified, the result is a player warning, shuffle the deck and continue playing. To me it feels like this should be a game loss, otherwise it incentivizes a player to “accidentally” shuffle back cards you know you may want to see later in the game. A player could do this repeatedly throughout a tournament, assuming their opponents do not catch the error or call a judge, giving an unfair advantage by manipulating the bottom of the deck. I know I’ve lost games playing cards like Visions… Develop… Ariel… putting the answers I needed at the bottom of my deck. Appreciate the work you do for the community and enjoy listening every week. Thanks - Forrest
Go Go and Fred got me to try out Emerald this set. The only Set 6 i proxied before release. I combined Emerald with Amethyst to go a more aggressive route with cards like maleficent (1/1), gathering knowledge, white rose and goats. In addition to Go Go's utility (inkable, sing songs, evasive), she adds so many layers to the game, where now players have to consider trading with large willpower characters who can trade and survive, and be worried about having Go Go gain 3, 4 lore next turn for game. I also run Jaq to force reckless so fred can gain that extra lore. Or to set up damage for go go. I can see competitive Emerald decks maining 2 go go's, and emerald aggro decks with 4 freds.
on the lilo topic, if the card has to be played on set, the card is far worse without the knowledge of WANTING to play it after the draw phase, i think most readers assumed it was after the draw phase as thats where most "at the start of your turn" effects happen "live" even though theoretically it all happens in the set phase
Personally I want whatever format that keeps 99% of cards legal in competitive. So I vote for power creep. If you want to make the new cards a bit stronger. . So be it... do t force us to stop playing the oldies..let it be our decision.
I see the value in set rotation, but the way they are releasing sets doesn't seem like they are going to implement set rotation. I think it will be more akin to Yugioh, where it'll be an evergreen format with a ban/limited list every new set.
I would love a rotation, but I think they should implement a two game format. Like a legacy format and a standard format. Or just re-introduce legacy cards in newer sets. that way cards, maintain value
Can’t this tadashi card not replace mickey on 3 @Moyen? You mention it is bad late, opponent ignores it, etc. Isn’t that also true for Mickey. Vs. Aggro I would play this on 3, chicha on 4, trade and gain 2 ink and draw 2. Vs control, we have now use for our fire the cannon, which otherwise was useless card.
We will probably get set rotation in August of 2025 when set 9 releases. Here is why... The starter deck lists for set 6 have cards from set 5 and set 6 in them but absolutely ZERO cards from Set 1 thru 4. (Set 5 starters have only set 5 cards in them.) This is more proof of rotation in August of next year when set 9 releases and sets 1 thru 4 drop out of CORE CONSTRUCTED and they start an eternal format for all cards printed.
@Zoakhan733 really poor wording then. Why say put another card facedown? Facedown is implied by putting it in the inkwell. Hopefully they get better with the rules text in the future
They even had to answer this question in Belle’s FAQ, would have been nice to see them try to clarify in this set so they don’t just have to repeat the FAQ
Ok hear me out. I’ve been really enjoying this sapphire steel build that’s heavy character focused. Think green/purple aggro-tempo but with sapphire steel. TLDR we play protect the president, Sisu-Divine Water Dragon as said president. Aurora, Cogsworth, Chien-Po, and Hercules - Beloved Hero are your protectors.
I think the “over 60” card argument is just a running joke / meme now, and the people that keep getting on you guys for it are trolling. Dont get worked up on it. Real players know :)
lorcana is not cheap enough and its not doing well enough to withstand a rotation format. it will be stupid. say what you will of yugioh but the banlist works, and it opens the possibility of cards to return in the future when they wont be broken anymore. this isnt pokemon
A near 2 hour episode to listen to as the work day goes on? Heck yes.
Just realized the lilo is good recursion for the Phil Hero strategy as you gain 1 lore when a Hero is played
Around 50:00 the card “Fred “ is shown, but not mentioned. As an audio only listener on Apple podcasts I had no idea what you were talking about and had to open TH-cam to find out. Please be mindful in the future to always mention the card name at least. Thanks for all the high quality content, keep up the work!
1:14:42 double quest tamatoa; 1:21:34 does the shuffle ur deck have any value by itself--- like if u visions a few times and placed cards all the way in the bottom? 1:27:34 discard the lilo, so that it comes back next turn
I think Moyen mis-evaluated sail the azurite sea. It is card neutral like one jump. The main difference is it isnt a song, it is inkable, it requires you to have a card you want to ink (but it can be a card drawn later). I think that in a world of ursula deceivers, this card is wayyyyy better than one jump unless you have a ton of uninkables in your deck.
Mosquito bite works for cards needing damaged characters, but does not trigger beast relentless. Same as a belle moving a counter, Adding a counter is not the same as dealing damage. That’s why it gets around resist. 1:24:22
51:58 this on the classic green purple- mother knows best/ Ursula would be good
The bazaar is legit one of my favorite games of all time. Ive spent all my free time on it myself.
Glad others are enjoying it. Probably not a game for everyone but it is a game for me 100%
Thanks for the great episode guys as always ! I would love to see your thoughts on both the new Madam Mim cards 😁
Also big preacher of 60cards hahah. It’s correct! 😂
for the Bend to my will combo, there's also another combo you can put in you deck, T1: Basil, T2: tipo or Sail, T3: Prince John, T4: Shift Basil, sign Friend like Me. You could do your turn 4 in turn 3, it also works or keep Friend one more turn.
I love that we spend time talking about the 60 cards or more lol. They way i describe it to my friend is if you’re playing blackjack and have 16 and the dealer has a 10 showing you are supposed to hit. Let say that happens 100 times and if on try 100 you didn’t and won that doesn’t mean keep doing it that way. Statistically you’re more likely to win playing correctly but you can still win randomly playing incorrectly. The biggest thing I hate in games is when people say you always draw what you need or you top decked the win you lucky. I play 60 cards i mulligan properly and play 4 of certain cards to increase my odds to see them to win. 1 card 100% can be what causes people to lose. (If you play 1 of a card, and 61 cards in a deck and top deck it to win, YOU are lucky 😂)
Something to discuss RE: Jim Hawkins. The Ink+2 carries over to the shifted character. So, If you play the 2 drop on x turn, then play the shift line on turn x+1 (after inking) the new Jim is actually a 7/5, with the benefit of 1 ping damage on play. So you COULD take down an 8 willpower location (cough, library,cough) on 3, or a single 1 willpower character and something else up to 7 willpower.
Are you sure it carries over? Abilities and buffs don't usually tend to carry over. For example, if you shift on top of a rush card that has been played this turn, your shifted character doesn't get rush.
@@podcanapodcast damnit, I read it as +2 strength, not challenger +2. yea, challenger doesnt carry over. Fail
Abilities don't cary over, but buffs and conditions (and damage) do. If something is given a stat buff or debuff it does cary over (think someone playing a Kida against you, you cant get around the -3 by shifting something else onto it. The character still has -3). But you are right, this is challenger
@@podcanapodcast10.8.5 in the comprehensive rules suggest the gained challenger ability does carry over
@@scottalshanski5056 Yea, I looked a little more, he still gets challenger +2 because he was granted it by the inking, not by the existence of the card.
the dlc winner in europe with red blue was running 61
You have definitely helped me come around on the rotation concept. Being new to TCGs it just seemed bad and painful to “invalidate” old cards that I purchased and love, but I totally understand how it helps the health of the game design without needing to beat the value of old cards with every new set. I really think that we get a ton of value out of the cards that we get to play with for so long that keeping the game balanced and fun is way more important.
Frank Karsten mentioned tutors specifically when it came to running over 60. There could definitely be a world years from now where lorcana has a bunch of tutors in which case running over 60 becomes good.
I’ve been doing some testing w set 6 cards and I have to tell you, sapphire steel is staring to feel like a real combo deck. Oswald and chicha with sail, maurice’s workshop with fortishphere and pawpsicle… into ariels tamatoas and dimes is nasty. You are drawing tons of cards all the time, and it’s not rare to see a +12 lore tamatoa on board.
From coming from mtg I always hated standard. But, for lorcana I would play a standard format for lorcana. The only thing though, I never see this game making reprints for this game. I feel 8 sets is a very good amount for a standard. I would like an eternal format like mtgs vintage would be great as well. Keeps the value of older cards. I also think you can make crazy combos in an eternal format because that's just fun!
Vitalisphere for Maui (half shark) seems good in ruby/sapphire.
I feel like just limiting cards would be cooler than a total ban of certain cards or even a rotation. Like just limiting Faversham and/or pawpsicle to 3 copies or something, so it's still playable, but leaving options for new additions that can be better than the limited versions of that draw engine. Same with like limiting be prepared to 2 and so on.
At two different DLCs, I have had matches where an opponent plays a card like Ariel, Spectacular Singer, and in lieu of putting the cards on the bottom of the deck “accidentally” shuffle the cards back into their deck. In one case my opponent admitted there were two a whole new world in the cards returned to deck (and he had already used two). Judges ruled in both cases, since the cards to be put on bottom cannot be verified, the result is a player warning, shuffle the deck and continue playing. To me it feels like this should be a game loss, otherwise it incentivizes a player to “accidentally” shuffle back cards you know you may want to see later in the game. A player could do this repeatedly throughout a tournament, assuming their opponents do not catch the error or call a judge, giving an unfair advantage by manipulating the bottom of the deck. I know I’ve lost games playing cards like Visions… Develop… Ariel… putting the answers I needed at the bottom of my deck. Appreciate the work you do for the community and enjoy listening every week. Thanks - Forrest
Go Go and Fred got me to try out Emerald this set. The only Set 6 i proxied before release. I combined Emerald with Amethyst to go a more aggressive route with cards like maleficent (1/1), gathering knowledge, white rose and goats.
In addition to Go Go's utility (inkable, sing songs, evasive), she adds so many layers to the game, where now players have to consider trading with large willpower characters who can trade and survive, and be worried about having Go Go gain 3, 4 lore next turn for game.
I also run Jaq to force reckless so fred can gain that extra lore. Or to set up damage for go go. I can see competitive Emerald decks maining 2 go go's, and emerald aggro decks with 4 freds.
Never mind shadow finder, we go to 4 cogsworth in Ruby Am now 💪
4 cogs 4 Diablo and this are the only changes I’m starting with in RA this set
It's crazy they spent nearly 5 mins talking about Diablo lol. It's good you always get the draw effect who cares about challenging
on the lilo topic, if the card has to be played on set, the card is far worse without the knowledge of WANTING to play it after the draw phase, i think most readers assumed it was after the draw phase as thats where most "at the start of your turn" effects happen "live" even though theoretically it all happens in the set phase
Do you think that Super Goof is a good card in Ruby Amethyst, and, if so, how many? :o)
Personally I want whatever format that keeps 99% of cards legal in competitive. So I vote for power creep. If you want to make the new cards a bit stronger. . So be it... do t force us to stop playing the oldies..let it be our decision.
Lilo could be good in a Phil Hero deck, or when there is a Lilo shift 🤔
I see the value in set rotation, but the way they are releasing sets doesn't seem like they are going to implement set rotation. I think it will be more akin to Yugioh, where it'll be an evergreen format with a ban/limited list every new set.
Big Cindy is resist 2, not resist 3
I would love a rotation, but I think they should implement a two game format. Like a legacy format and a standard format. Or just re-introduce legacy cards in newer sets. that way cards, maintain value
Can’t this tadashi card not replace mickey on 3 @Moyen? You mention it is bad late, opponent ignores it, etc. Isn’t that also true for Mickey. Vs. Aggro I would play this on 3, chicha on 4, trade and gain 2 ink and draw 2. Vs control, we have now use for our fire the cannon, which otherwise was useless card.
We will probably get set rotation in August of 2025 when set 9 releases. Here is why... The starter deck lists for set 6 have cards from set 5 and set 6 in them but absolutely ZERO cards from Set 1 thru 4. (Set 5 starters have only set 5 cards in them.) This is more proof of rotation in August of next year when set 9 releases and sets 1 thru 4 drop out of CORE CONSTRUCTED and they start an eternal format for all cards printed.
Or they didn’t want to print old cards in new startes
Don't think Sail the Azurite Sea requires a second inkable card. It says put a card in the inkwell facedown.
Additional card implies it has to be inkable just like belle strange but special
@Zoakhan733 really poor wording then. Why say put another card facedown? Facedown is implied by putting it in the inkwell. Hopefully they get better with the rules text in the future
They even had to answer this question in Belle’s FAQ, would have been nice to see them try to clarify in this set so they don’t just have to repeat the FAQ
Instead of playing the crappy emerald cards you can just use fishbone quill to play bend to my will on 4
Ok hear me out. I’ve been really enjoying this sapphire steel build that’s heavy character focused. Think green/purple aggro-tempo but with sapphire steel.
TLDR we play protect the president, Sisu-Divine Water Dragon as said president. Aurora, Cogsworth, Chien-Po, and Hercules - Beloved Hero are your protectors.
Counterpoint: let goobers play 61+ cards and stay free
I think the “over 60” card argument is just a running joke / meme now, and the people that keep getting on you guys for it are trolling. Dont get worked up on it. Real players know :)
lorcana is not cheap enough and its not doing well enough to withstand a rotation format. it will be stupid. say what you will of yugioh but the banlist works, and it opens the possibility of cards to return in the future when they wont be broken anymore. this isnt pokemon
I changed all my decks to run 61 cards in dreamborn 🫡