Has Airbus Overplayed Their Hand?
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Both Airbus and Boeing have significant operations in China today. But given recent geopolitical events, could this be about to change? And also, after Boeing facing so many challenges over the past few years, could these geopolitics now spell trouble for… Airbus? Stay tuned!
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When your biggest issue is that demand is so high you can't produce your products quick enough, you are doing quite well.
until you hit a point that all your customers decide you can't serve them and go to your competitor.
@@kenbrown2808 Going to competitor costs a lot as all pilots, engineers, technitians and such will need to be retrained, parts stock will need to be updated and so on. Worst case when you support both types - in this case fragmentation will bring costs of operation up. Plus if all of them go to competitors, it will be the same problem immediatley. But some will switch - and this is good to the market and us as consumers as imagine there were not Boeing - would we have NEO at all? And if there were no Airbus, we would probably still have 737-200 or DC-9/MD-80...
Bad planning more like.
Mr Ford never found himself in that position.
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 Except for the part where, you know, he did. To the point where he lost most of his investors because he couldn't deliver cars. In order to match demand, he demanded too much of workers, which meant he had a very high turnover, and it was hard to keep know-how at the factories. Also, he jeopardized quality just to be able to deliver, and that meant cars had massive issues and a very high rate of failure. And even with all that, Ford still had issues matching demand. On both sides, too. At some points, they fell short of demand, at others, they overproduced and couldn't sell enough cars. He did a lot of crazy stuff to fix those issues, including funding a Nazi-utopia factory-town in Brazil, a project that costed him an insane fortune, and that derailed and ended up abandoned.
Manufacturing is hard.
@@kenbrown2808 then the competitor faces the same problem..
Having recently returned from Airbus India, these guys are more than capable of producing the A320 series in a very short space of time. Airbus is a global company and the speed in which Mobile set up the FAL for the A220 shows that it can respond to these waiting times.
Yep, both Boeing and airbus should look forward to manufacturing in India, there is ample workforce, skilled labour and talent here
Costs are low and yes govt gives benifits to oem.
India is the coming worlds factory, the sooner they realise, the better
@@hiteshadhikari correct
Airbus have an assembly line in Tianjin, China, and a second facility in another province being built.
@@hiteshadhikarino western country will put a factory on the ground if they are not 100% sure that these will not fall into Russia‘s hands.
India needs to denounce the invasion of Ukraine - fast
@@colinspencer2205 I know, I work for Airbus. It is not as simple however to just build a FAL. It needs properly trained fitters, logistics, support systems, etc. Not ex burger flippers from South Carolina.
Captain, as always you handle these complex subjects so thoroughly, merging so many angles into a coherent and entertaining video. I think it is time to become a patron. Well done.
I’m
So happy you think so!
@@MentourNow *This Mentour guy is thoroughly anti - China /Anti - East (include India) very biased*
Sweden unsurprised
*The only reason he spoke of India is that India is not big (and advance) enough to challenge the west yet, and use India to "counter" China, wait till India have companies to challenge Airbus and Boeing*
I was really surprised after looking at Air India's huge order and not seeing any order for A220.
Yea, I'm kinda missing the A220s from this equation too...
A220 would just make their fleet more complex, rather buy a319 neo if they want small plane
@@aseem7w9 319 is not a competitive aircraft.
A220 is too small and not as efficient as a turboprop.... So it doesn't make sense for air India. Air India is targeting the a slightly wealthier customer base and are focussing on larger cities.
@@oadka
That is interesting. Where did you learn about the efficiency comparison of the A220 vs a turboprop?
It is a good point
Thank you Captain for this detailed analysis. Airbus is very keen to open a FAL in India. Currently, they have 2 A320 production line in Toulouse (the old A380 is removed and currently being transformed), 1 line in Hamburg dedicated for the A321XLR and, 1 in Mobile (USA) for the North American market. In Tianjin, they are planning to double it, but even with this new capacity (~20 birds/month), it's not enough to supply the Indian demand. Furthermore, Airbus has the experience to set in a record time an FAL. The biggest question is about the supply chain capacity being able to tackle the demand (suppliers and Airbus itself in UK, Nantes and Spain).
Boeing don't have the experience to export a FAL like Airbus, and US government seems very protective. On the other hand Indian new policies is Make in India, and this is not in favour of the USA and Boeing.
Airbus seems to be on a very good path now. And if Airbus promises to come in India with a FAL and all the suppliers ecosystem (they are able to do it), Indian government is not going to expect less from Boeing.
A few major & minor suppliers for Airbus in India exist already!
@@BlackHawkTejas having 1 or 2 is pointless if 1 critical part can't be produced, you can't build 99.9% of the plane, you have to finish it. the reason east asia develop so quickly is because China, Korea and Japan is next to each other, they can complete each other's supply lines. India is not willing to enter RPEC, this mean buying part overseas will be expensive due to import taxes. India need to join the FTA.
@@lagrangewei There are not 1 or 2 more than that. China didn't reach that position in 1 day, it took them years & decades of west hand holding. So directly comparing India is a folly at best. People always ignore such basic things before jumping the gun.
Boeing has opened their new headquarters in India and they are planning to build a factory partnering with Tata
This is really great and insightful content. You really do have a gift for explaining things logically and in a well thought-out fashion!
Most hilarious sponsorship section ever.
That came as unexpected :D
Literally...
It wouldn't surprise me if we do see Airbus and possibly Boeing open up full size passenger production lines in India, it makes sense to me.
Then no one will board on that trash
@@engineeingnerd Your military flies the Chinook and the Apache. Why don't you check with them if the parts are "trash".
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@@engineeingnerd bruhh parts of your chinooks and Apaches are built in India.
Just matter of fact two tiny parts were built in India doesn't mean their quality is good. Those were the only parts can be called trash. So are all made in India things like their vehicles or smartphones.
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One of the other challenges for Boeing to open a foreign production facility has to do with the differences between FAA and EASA regulatory schemes. Since the FAA issues both type design and production certificates for Boeing you’d either have to get the FAA on board or get creative to open a foreign production line.
Makes sense for Airbus to set up an assembly plant in India . A sure way to increase its share of the Indian aviation market . It will soon start manufacturing the C 295 in Gujarat. Boeing might then have to follow Airbus .
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Wonderful analysis, and loaded with information that I did not know.
Your analyisis is always thorough and thought provoking. Thank you.
I can see Boeing opening plants in India, Europe and maybe Canada. Vancouver isn't far from Seattle. India is a no brainer for both Airbus and Boeing, producing in another country adds to production capacity and local sales do to loyalty and local paychecks. As far as defense aircraft, only highly favored allies will get cutting edge production. As you mentioned in OZ.
Montreal is the 3 rd largest aerospace center in the world after Toulouse and Seattle....not VAncouver
Boeing Helicopters already produces Chinook and Apache fuselages in India.
Fascinating information as always. Thanks!
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Yes.
- They are thinking that there might be a need for A321 Neo factory build freighters in the future
- This is a long story in itself with a lot of question marks that probably deserves it's own video
Yes please 😀
IndiGo has been using ATR-72's for from 2018. They are mainly used for low density flights. They rest are A320/321's.
50% of ATR belongs to Airbus... and their final assembly line is in Toulouse, a few hundreds meters from Airbus' mega factories there...
The one thing that we can’t discount though is that China has one big thing on their side: they have so many citizens that scaling up production is very possible, especially as they have access to the facilities that produces a lot of the components that are relied on for the manufacture of everything.
It wouldn’t be shocking to see them produce mega factories that churn out 2-5x the amount of product that competitors do, and use economy of scale to price out competitors.
Also I wouldn’t put it past more companies to manufacture in Aussie regional centres eventually, (great to hear you pronounce one of our cities the right way too!) labour is cheap, (especially the more rural you go) temperatures never go down to freezing, there’s a fairly quiet airspace, and tons of open room to build.
I wonder how Boeing’s production of the MAX will be affected in the long run, seeing as they again have to slow it down or stop deliveries because they have to go back and fix many of the MAX variants that had the vertical stabilizer improperly joined to the fuselage by Spirit…
Yep exactly
Boeing is a joke.
Probably less than you think. Both companies have Assembly lines that are there for Assembling from scratch. You really can't do rework there. They have other groups that do modifications or repairs. That kind of thing sounds like work at MRO facilities not the assembly lines. All the Assembly lines will do is add a second/third check to verify the defects aren't present in the current production run. They would probably stop the line briefly to set up that process but then it would be business as usual. There are a lot more MRO facilities around the world than assembly lines.
I think the Current production rate is the same as before and Boeing is still targeting 38 per month before the second half of the year. So 737 MAX production will not be affected in the long run.
Deliveries are the ones that have been affected , with some ready built frames needing rework to solve that issue
They will be back to delivering 737 airplanes in a couple of weeks. The issues are being worked out and a standard repair generated to make the alterations on the affected airplanes. The ones which does not have the problem will be allowed to deliver by the FAA after a thorough investigation. The good news is they have great documentation and was able to trace the airplanes affected by the issue quickly. Now its a matter of working with the FAA for a solution and timeframe to complete it. Its a small issue compared to more serious issues found before. The FAA will probably issue an Airworthiness Directive to repair any airplanes already delivered with the flaw. Those repairs would not require immediate grounding of the airplane and can be done in the next A check or other inspection timeframes.
That’s a really cool mug you have there about 6:15 in to the video! 😍
Great channel for all things aviation
Watching this video from India and I really hope that Boeing and/or Airbus setting up an assembly line in India
Indigo is likely doing a Ryanair, talking to other manufacturers to make Airbus give Indigo a discount on a huge order.
Indigo is much better than ryanair
Thanks! Well done, very thorough coverage!
So happy you think so! Thank you for your support!
for those who choose to produce airplanes inside India (Airbus or Boeing)
could always sell rights to an under-license production under the Tata or another brand...
I believe the biggest problem with setting up factories in India would anyway be the certification of the product*, so, it makes sense for production for the internal market, just to avoid the international hassle....
with productions in China, I could easily see the hawks in the United States using Geopolitics as an excuse to ban Airbus from US airspace (as a form of tertiary sanctions)... but I can also see how if Airbus took a very Pro-Chinese Government stance, it could become a supported monopoly on the Chinese market. With Boeing going to China, I believe that it is far too involved in the military stuff to be allowed to work closely with the Chinese... maybe if they totally separate the civilian and military branches, but even then, dual use technology laws will give them a lot of trouble...
pretty sure they are within the disclosure level where they have to get Pentagon approval for going international.
"the certification problem being not (necessarily) for reasons of quality. but for the fact that the procedure is less than adjusted for that part of the world.
Appreciate the efforts taken by you. Such a detailed video.
Not so sure about your Boeing union angle. The 787 plant in South Carolina is mostly non-union. It was rather big scandal when Boeing opened the line - and there was huge union pushback - but, in the end, Boeing got its way. So it's not infeasible for Boeing to make further, non-union initiatives.
Daft! Organised unions is the secret for a successful engineering company, totally.
It’s possible but not entirely probable.
Unions likely have far more leverage this time around given the need to produce as many as possible with the resources they have (esp the 737 program). It's a years long process to set up a completely new final assembly plant. And in hindsight, Charleston certainly didn't save Boeing any money. It would also just further complicate the supply chain setting of assembly outside of the US.
Toowoomba is in the state of Queensland, which has spent decades developing a deep relationship with Boeing through some significant collaboration with universities, government and industry.The state also has worked hard incubating and developing aviation-related expertise and industries, especially in a zone near a military base and airport just west of Brisbane.
This goes to show how astronomically hard it to produce airplanes at scale even for 100 year old company like Boeing
Right! I thought they would have figured out a way to streamline the production of Airplanes.
But maybe, since the orders of airplanes are not as high in the past. They didn’t have a need to figure out this. But now since the developing countries are on the way to become developed and the middle class in these countries is getting huge the demand for airplanes have gotten high. Atleast now they should streamline their production process.
Good clip and exccelent job on the advert...I was about to forward then I went hang on lets see where hes going with this on lol ended up watching the whole thing.
Very interesting that the currently "delivered" C919 is in storage!
curious indeed
The rubber band broke? 😉
Serious Tu-144 vibes
Was to be expected. Only recently certified, and the trialflights probably showed some teething problems.
Indeed. State owned company develops it. Guv tell state owned airlines to buy them. Its been in Chinese news for a decade now about how this plane is gonna take over the world. Global times (state media ) has 1 article about it this year. A fluff piece.
5:19 lmao absolutely didn’t expect this 😂 epic ad
Id rather have the one that’s doesn’t crash, engines don’t catch fire, one based on a modern airframe and not some 60yr old frame being patched and finally the one made by a company that doesn’t prioritize profits over quality and safety.
They aren't "checking" those aircraft in Everett, they're fixing mistakes made by non-union labor in South Carolina.
Some of the best aviation analysis online today, sir. Thank you for your content.
Deep analysis and insight. Thanks!
They might have overplayed their hand but at least the Beluga can deliver it
Hey Petter really liked the video but I hated the advertisements coming mid sentences hopefully you can fix that.
Be aware of how often you use conjunctions like "but".
now that youve mentioned it, i cant stop noticing it lmao
now that youve mentioned it, i cant stop noticing it lmao
I work for a supply chain in aviation & it is not easing up. In fact, we're struggling with far below minimums of personnel and no decent candidates lining up. Might have to do with pay, or ability to pass background checks or ppl wanting pay but not wanting to do the work or whatever...
I feel like the main problem with Airbus is an Airbus vs Airbus problem, where there is a conflict between the A220 family and the A319/20NEO. One risks cannibalizing the other.
That’s a bit of an issue.. yes
There is so much demand for both that honestly both will do fine
I don't think there is a conflict with the 320. Only with the 319
That's why Airbus hasn't launched the A220-500, to not risk cannibalising the A320neo.
The A320 family is already mostly 321 sales nowadays, this isn't something new that the A220 is bringing about. There is basically no cost to Airbus when they are selling a 321neo rather than a 319neo, moreover they are constrained on A220 production volume and will be for the considerable future. The only way these projects are cannibalising each other is that Airbus needs a lot of capital to accelerate deliveries of both types.
You caught me by surprise with that sponsor message. 😆
This video hasn't aged well 😂😂 Boeing is faster in deliveries because they compromise safety.
You made a mistake, delivered aircrafts isn't the same as produced aircrafts.
Because of several delivery-stops/groundings, Boeing has had about 150 airplanes collecting dust and awaiting delivery.
(I don't know the exact number)
Good point that Airbus expansion of production means greater risk of geopolitical disruption. There's also the risk that foreign countries will reverse engineering their production lines (not just their products) !
This might be true, but building aircraft at scale is very very hard. Otherwise, China or Russia would have been able to build a 737 by now. Plenty of old scrap 737's to analyse and reverse engineer. China even had a MD 90 series production line that they used for the ARJ21, but that went anything but smooth.
@@b127_1 China first tried their hand at an indigenous airliner through a combination of copying and original engineering c. 1980. It didn't go very well. Foreign airliner final assembly lines also got a start in China around that time. Despite all that, progress has been slow. In a lot of ways, airliners are harder than rockets.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 indeed. while spacefaring rockets require tighter tolerances and highly specialised professionals, their design are overall a lot simpler with way less moving parts and complex redundant systems comparing to airliners, not to mention safety - an unmanned satellite delivery goes wrong, crash into the ocean, monetary loss and try again. an airliner full of passengers...
@@b127_1 I mean the C919 is mostly a copy of Airbus designs. So there you have it.
Sadly, you don't even know that it was the Chinese Wang Suke who created Boeing's first airplane. If you read history, you will find facts. Including the creation of NASA, the Chinese have played a very important role. In the global semiconductor, the Chinese also play a very important role. China will not stop because of the blockade of the United States, we will have our own planes and semiconductors. Science and engineering are not the preserve of white people, humans can own them, and Chinese are human beings.
I never touch aeroplane but still curious to know what's happening in the world..
That ad was very out of pocket 😂
Most bizarre. 😳🙃
Very true though.
@@MentourNow BOEING has been shit last few years
@@kirilmihaylov1934 he is a 737 pilot...🙈
Pretty crazy that I moved from one side of the world to the opposite (Perú to Australia) 🇵🇪🇦🇺 to become a pilot, I love Boeing 🛫and Airbus, I'm in thought of joining the Royal Australian Air Force, and my other option is to start my pilot academy in Toowoomba... in a flight academy that has cadet partnership with IndiGo..... Oh yeah, It's all coming together
Good luck man... But if you wanna join RAAF, from what I recall, you'll have to be a citizen for a while before you can apply. They used to do a program where they'd take on suitably qualified foreign nationals, (they may still do) but the bar was super high and was really designed for people who come from one of the "Five Eye" nations.
I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know and that's pretty dated information... so things may have changed in recent times
But keep at it man, 'straya can be a great place to build a life, if you're the type that loves rules and regulations. And if you wanna be a pilot, you have to be the type that loves them some rules and regulations. 😉
Not crazy. Pilots do that all the time.
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 _"'if you're the type that loves rules and regulations"_
Ah ... nope, Australia is the *_EXACT OPPOSITE_* of that...
@@philsurtees Australia has a very authoritarian political culture, albeit a very subtle one... As John Anderson put it, "We are very comfortable with big government in our lives and have a very efficient government as a result. For better or for worse."
To say it's"the opposite" You'd either have to know nothing about Australia, or be too stupid docile and apathetic to notice.
Cool story, nobody cares.
Amazing to see China achieved it so quickly. Great Achievement.
There are many hidden effort from few European firm who consulted and helped them to achieve it.
Most major powers have the capability to build planes, they all already do it for their militaries. Commercial airplanes for civilians just have a lot more requirements:
* economical to build
* fuel efficient for airlines
* conformable for travelers
* safe even in adverse conditions
Very interesting video. Thank you, Captain.
Boeing and Airbus needs each other in order to make the aviation safety better.
Being a keen aviation observer from India the “Make in India” initiative is a win win for both the aircraft companies and India. India is the third largest aircraft market in the world and continues to grow exponentially since the potential hasn’t even reached a fraction of its potential. All aircraft sent abroad for respective “C” and “D” checks as well as engines sent for major overhaul work, are taxed again once they return for all parts changed etc. This is a huge cost for airlines something which a make in India perspective can resolve. My various visits to respective aircraft and infrastructure facilities around the world reveals a sizeable India workforce there. So I am quite confident we could easily manage the quality control issues by a mile.
Airbus is in that uncomfortable zone. Sudden overconfidence destroys companies when they are in that zone.
I would not worry about over confidence. It is just pandemic really impacted all the manufacturers. They have to make their supply lines more resilient to these kind of events and that is not easy. You have to spend both time and money. Lots of people got gray hair going through their manufacturing since the covid.
Well, as a Finn, the start of that sponsor section was definitely a surprise
I thought you were going to say your DNA test showed you were 20% polar bear. 😁
Haha! Almost the same thing.
Only recently discovered the channel, it's excellent. Another good video
Woww, how many airplanes are flying and still in a service, but 80% of new pilots struggle to land their first job at any airline.
Where do you get that 80% figure from?
@@MentourNow
Plucked right out of the sky, no doubt.
A backlog of *6,000 320/321s?!?!*
WHAT?!
That is so much more than i thought they had!!!!
as a backgrounder, you could have reported on the number of 737 max aircraft already produced but not yet delivered ever since the crashes and the pandemic. obviously, Boeing has so many more aircraft already produced but needing to be delivered. so if deliveries have been resumed, Boeing obviously has the advantage. but these are aircraft that have already been ordered. as for new orders, Airbus retains the advantage. yes, the waiting list is longer. but if Airbus is able to succeed in increasing production, then that would ease a bit. still, obviously, both aircraft manufacturers need to expand their production lines. also, the problems are between the U.S.A. and China and therefore impacts on Boeing; this does not affect France or Europe and therefore does NOT affect Airbus. China is NOT Iran. Or, currently, Russia.
This is the first time I did not skip the sponsor part. That was so cool. But I doubt if my phlebotomist can do that
It could make a lot of sense for both Airbus and Boeing to have factories in India, even to only serve that growing market, and I'd expect the government to already be making "persuasive arguments" in that direction....
India like China wants to grow. Maybe it is better not to build factories in countries wanting the technology and skills the factory bring with it. This is a problem in countries that respect IP rights. India is not there yet.
@@danharold3087 At least India does not steal IP unlike China. American plants in India are American owned, operated and are able to repatriate their profits back home. Already Indian firms makes parts for Boeing both civilian and military. India is in talks with both GE and RR for developing jet engine from scratch with India funding it and owning the IP jointly.
@@jspillai1869 Imagine thinking using the labour, resources and manufacturing of another country while raking in almost all the profits and benefits, while also dumping all the waste in that said country will be beneficial to said country, Indians still have that colonised mindset.
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia and many other asian countries do it, China does it too, you think those colonisers can steal and loot for hundreds of year and not expect to have something taken from them too?
Aircraft manufacturing is NOT an easy process, because of all the safety certifications that are needed to bring it to full international worldwide service. With the different Civil Aviation authorities can take a long time to resolve, especially with Foreign Aviation Authorities.
Wow... hearing a Swede nail the pronunciation of "Toowoomba" when most native English speakers struggle with something as simple as "Melbourne". Thank you for just listening to how words are pronounced and then saying it that way.
@Phillip Banes It would be unreasonable to expect that of me
That's the funniest commercial yet!
Great vid... but more importantly congrats for being Finnish!
Thank you! Happiest country in the world!
Torille
Why don't the overhead bins lock automatically at final approach altitude? The purser or a pilot could hit an unlock switch on arrival.
I will not be surprised if Airbus opened an assembly line in India because. Many big firms are setting up in India. Apple, Tesla is tempted to set up its giga factory , Taiwanese manufacturers , Investments in Semiconductors. Lets go INDIA 💪
but the question is- does India have enough cheap child labor like China?
Those large companies wont admit it but legal child labor is one of the main reasons they set up shop overseas.
@@kamakaziozzie3038 IDK about child labour but IND have cheap labour and I don't get your point why would any firm employ a child that is illegal
@17:42
Used to work in this Boeing Chennai office. Great place to work in !
Airbus has also spent years doing helicopter production in China, recently we saw the first Chinese own built helicopter flying which is clearly “inspired” heavily by the Airbus EC135 T2 and Bell 429. It will be interesting to see if they can begin to produce their own in house solution…. China is a huge helicopter market
I begin to wonder 'What about resources, and how much does the availability of materials affect production in the long term?'
material availability is rarely the main issue. the problem is developing machinery and chemical processes to combine them and make useful alloys and composites. requires highly specialized material scientists, engineers and programmers that, even with such a large population, are hard to come by! I reckon, China will surreptitiously try to 'import' personnel from Airbus/Boeing with very attractive wages, though I imagine that for such high-stakes positions, their employees are legally bound to sign agreements that prevent them from going to a competitor in a similar trade.
05:00 ~ WTF?!?!?!?
😂😂😂😂
One thing which is important to mention: Boeing started 2021 with roughly 450 pre-built aircraft due to Bieing continueing to build 7437s while deliveries were paused after 737 lost its ability to fly. As of early 2023, there are still a bunch of already built 737s awaiting delivery (including those to China) so 737 deliveries can be greater than 737s built until that excess inventory of 737 has been delivered.
Wth regards to China, it remains to be seen what the future of domestic aviation will be when you consider the exenstive try high speed train network it has built. Airbus has the edge on Boeing because it assembles the planes there (and less acromonious diplomatic relations), so as long as China remains a large enough inernal market for Airbus, that plant will be justified even if only for sales to China and China-friendly counrries. Big question is how much lobbying leverage Boeing will make in USA to block sales of US-made parts to China, and whether that would impact Airbus's ability to get those parts for its Chinese assembly plant.
At 5:44 that's cool, strangely enough I'm 98% British and Irish (which fits my known ancestry) but also 2% Finnish (which does not). No dreams about saunat so far!
Haha! That’s probably those other 14% that’s causing it for me then.. I actually really like saunas.
I though you were talking about DNA mobile operator from Finland. Color matched!!
What will happen to 737 if the upcoming engines are getting bigger.....
There will not be any further iterations of the 737
@@MentourNow I think what Boeing is trying to do is design their next small plane around the TTBW. If they can get that plane up to the same size as a 737/757 and still fit inside a Gate type 3 then that will be their plane. It will have a huge advantage over the 737-MAX and A32x-NEO as they exist today. Making the TTBW work though is going to be tough to make it carry 200 people or so though. I can see a pretty big divergence in planes for the future. I think it would be interesting to see in say 30 years small regional planes like the TTBW and larger planes being more like the flying wing or probably more likely a blended wing.
This is the last iteration of the 737
@@BPiperDude Boeing is going to build 2 truss braced wing prototypes together with Nasa. They will have to do some research until they know if the concept works or not.
On the other hand Airbus also prepares for future, with a new carbon fiber wing for the 321, which will have a higher aspect ratio and folding wing tips. It could be used to further extend the aircraft family to a modern full size 757 replacement, and if the 320 should be no longer competitive with the original wing they could stretch the A 220 further to at least the size of the 320.
0:12 It is so hypocritical when the current leading countries, governments, businesses complain that someone else is beginning to do exactly what they have been doing for decades (or centuries). Given their size it is totally within China's economic interest to develop their own industries.
As a passenger I would not set foot on a Max as I still have the issues firmly embedded in my brain. I never saw any resolution to that that makes me want to gamble on a flight.
As a 30k hour airline captain, I would step on one in a heartbeat. You literally have no idea AT ALL what you’re talking about.
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Well, I am so hoping that Boeing will build a new production line (civil aircraft to be exact) in India! I mean the whole-nine-yard like the one that Airbus has in Tianjin China.
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It is within the realms of possibility that the A320/1 and the C919 becomes the Chinese duopoly . With Boeing a distant third
Yeah on paper. China southern has only 20 orders for the C919, meanwhile it is expecting 100+ 737s between now and 2025.
Chinese airlines are only buying the c919 because of political pressure, they still prefer Boeing and Airbus
@@mmm0404 Thing is the Chinese airlines will buy what the government tells them too. COMAC will sell their planes at the price the government tells them too. These companies aren't just from China they are directly controlled government companies. COMAC, China Southern, China Eastern, Air China, etc... have Government officials with direct control over these companies with what are called Golden Shares so that even if a majority is owned by someone else the Chines government on their board of directors can and do tell them explicitly what to do. Why do you think ALL the Chinese airlines put in orders for the C919 at essentially the same time?
The C919 can not set foot in Europe or North America. They would have to be cleared by the EASA and FAA which won't unless COMAC gives both of them detailed design, manufacturing, production data. Which won't happen.
@@mmm0404Even if the Chinese themselves don't buy their aircraft, they will use their influence to sell it to the poor or anti-west west ....
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I got to fly for the first time in 33 years. I hope it goes well.
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How anyone could buy a 737max after that whole debacle is beyond me. I would never buy another Boeing product again, not because of the plane, but because of the bad management.
From what I've heard, India has already officially become the world's most populous nation... I heard so only this past week or so.
Yes, we should have said months not years.
@@MentourNow It already has happened, not going to.
Doubt that's good thing for India. Too large a population has been one of the key things that held them back.
@@johniii8147 tbh its the lack of unity in the population holding india back...india has a diverse culture and thats amazing but at the same time poses its own problems as unity is slightly harder to attain, its gonna be good if we could look out for eachother as indians and work towards developing the country better.
@@johniii8147 indian here i think i would be best to speak about the issue, Population is not the problem cause large population means large number of workforce, the problem was/is that there was/is ununiformity of money like ppl who have money have huge amounts which they used to not donate due to religious reasons (wrong practices, brahmins priests tend to stop ppl from donating cause they build fear among individuals that ppl will loose Money God (kuber).) Then these brahmins created castes (dalits) and stopped them for not having anything like educations and money. Literally stopped them by again putting fear of God amoung wealthy and authoratative individuals. So dalits used to escape villages and run to cities leaving behind all the property and farms and starting from scratch. These were the religious barriers and side that India had to go through which no one will tell you or the rest of the world, but as you can see it was bad. But now due to NGOs Non Government Organizations and volunteers/ employees and some saints (who started the movement of breaking down the bad religious practices) we are so much better 😁. We still are a religious country, no doubt but we now just following good religious practices (that were lost and are now brought back). I am guessing you never knew this side of story 😅, cause its not shown in this depth, they just use the word corruption thats it. But now you actually know the whole truth. 😄 Casteism is/was the root of all evil in India. We have progressed very fast but its not 100% erradicated but i know it will soon. 😁🙏 Namaste.
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Very interesting.
I just watched a video on Chinese road and rail and skyscrpaper buidling.
They build them in weeks rather than years.
Once they get going on planes they will wipe the floor.
They already dominate the car production industry, it's only a matter of time
NO, airbus is gonna me the sole monopoly for airplanes in the next few years.
* There is much more to the political angle than this video discussed. The political dynamics are actually US-China-India related
* Unfortunately India - for a country its size - has never even considered competing in the higher civil aviation technology markets. India is a risk-averse society but with extreme potential
* I think India will get a line. From both. The market is too large and India is the only nation that is not in any political camp and therefore not a threat to anyone in particular
Well, Pakistan might not agree with your last sentence. Or China, to the extent that the Sino-Indian border clashes ebb and flow but never seem to go away permanently.
India has made great strides in orbital rocketry, so there is some significant aerospace activity going on. Airliners, however, have a way of making rockets look relatively easy. The capital investment, the extensive supply chain requirements, and just all the know-how which can only develop over time. China is an example of how things can go when a government simply decides they are going to build an airliner. Not a huge amount to show for it, given that they have been at it for 40+ years which included substantial outside assistance.
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Unlike China, India has no ambition to displace Boeing or Airbus. Therefore, a line or two in India is not as complex as one in China.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, a nudge is all that is required to push her over the edge. That nation lives on Viagra. Not economics or financial thinking, although they do have the brains to do so.
Sino-Indo border is not an issue. The dynamics there, as I said, are intricate and NOT in the hands of the Chinese, unlike in Sri Lanka, Nepal, or in parts of Africa.
A LOT more to unpack. Beyond this thread imo.
@@nrao8977 印度不是沒有野心取代波音或空中巴士 而是印度根本沒有能力
@@128weilun LoL! India does have the capability govt isn't just using it. Stop acting like you guys were capable from day 1, it took time & effort, so go elsewhere to satisfy your ego!
@@128weilun 😂😂 exactly. These people always say only china do that , we indian don’t do that and don’t have have ambition . But if they have capability they will definitely do that . Thanks for the true comment
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I hope this push for higher pace of production doesn't end up with poor parts quality and accidents!
If they go to India and China it will for sure be low quality. I hate to say it, but that's just how it is.
@@AlTheEngineer China has a final assembly line - not a full production, the parts are produced somewhere else
@@simonm1447 you can still make the final assembly poorly causing the entire product to suck and or be outright dangerous. We all saw what happened when Boeing outsourced some of their software for the 737 Max to $9/hr contractors to save money.... Nothing good ever comes out of this. In my humble opinion, they need to keep everything as locally as humanly possible.
@@AlTheEngineer that's right, you have to hire the right people. India can build own rockets for space flight, so the final assembly should be possible if you don't just hire the cheapest employees.
@@simonm1447 I think there is no point to any of it. We need these jobs in our western countries as it is. Why export it? We have aspiring European engineers and Americans willing to work these jobs and make the best products in the world. Including final assembly. The only reason Boeing exported software development to India was to save money and the result was catastrophic. You ALWAYS get what you pay for. ALWAYS.
I'm not seeing what the difference is between your two channels - love them both - but what is the underlying diff?
Mentour Pilot has developed into a documentary channel and every time I wanted to share this type of content, it would do very badly.
But in the new channel, people love it. It’s an algo-thing.
Honestly Boeing and the US only have themselves to Blame. As a Pax I still prefer the A320NEO over the 737Max just for passenger comfort, let alone safety just because of Boeing's culture (Yes I know MCAS is fixed but their company culture can't be fixed immediately). For Geopolitics I mean if you treat the other country as the enemy you can't expect the other country to continue funding you lmao.
Boeing's engineering ability is terrible, these days. Symbolitic of their maths (math) and sciences abilities in their schools, these days.
Yeah I still have doubts about the Max after all that happened. I hope I am wrong but definitely prefer not flying on that planes even though I am sure it’s just fine.
What PAX prefer is not of any interest to airlines.
Anyway, there are major 737-800 operators in China who are waiting for the chance to place hundreds of orders for the 737MAX.
Even if they were forced not to ever buy from Boeing again, they are not willing to wait till the end of the decade to receive their first a320neos.
The C919 on the other hand is not as efficient as the 737MAX, offers far less capacity, is more expensive to operate and is still unproven. Most chinese airlines are only ordering a handful of them because of political pressure from the ccp, not because they want it.
So the c919 isn't necessarily a 737MAX substitute just yet
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 still better than Chinese crap 😂
There is no way I ever want to fly on a plane with Chinese made engines....
Don’t confuse American with Western. American companies are on the pressure to leave China, not western companies
Hi, if I had to buy some traps, I would consider two things, the fact that people manufacturing hamburgers just months before are now making 787 in boeing plants, and the fact that each and every worker, whatever he's position is, have to stay in a two-person team for two years minimum in all Airbus plants…
I wouldn't be surprised if Embraer will be the first to set up a final assembly line in India. Embraer is desperate to get into the Indian and Chinese markets. Remember, Brazil is a member of BRICS along with India and China, President Lula has recently visited China and the E2 was recently certified in China. Embraer tried to set up a final assembly line in China but that failed but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Embraer beats Airbus and Boeing to it and sets up a final assembly line in India.
Let them do it, then.
I think you meant a final assembly line in India in your last sentence. I don't think the E2 has enough planes in it's backlog to justify adding a whole new plant in a foreign country. It is exceedingly expensive to make a new plant from scratch. We are talking a couple billions of dollars/euros. The backlog right now is less than 300. It would make more sense if they want to expand production to add an additional production line in Brazil. This could of course all change if India gives them a huge amount of incentives though which might happen. It would be in India's advantage to give them those incentives. Just don't know if it would be enough. Personally I think Airbus made a mistake in adding a second line in China. They should have instead added a line in India.
Embraer assembly firm quit China after 13 years operation (2003~2016) and delivered 166 jets (include ERJ 145 and Legacy 650), it's because COMAC produce ARJ21 since 2015. The competition goes hard in the regional aircraft (below 100 seats jet) market in China.
As a brazilian i would say that maybe Embraer doesn't a game changer to ofter to these markets since E2 is mainly a regional plane and its having a hard time to sell it worldwide