The small versions are labeled as "MoonServant_tibi" in their AI, but the "ti" and "chi" sound are represented by the same kana, ち or チ, meaning it's likely what would usually be rendered as "chibi". The missing "MoonServant_baby" is also called "ユニーク" (unique) in the Japanese character list, which may also imply something more peculiar about it.
perhaps they thought about revisiting the baby skeleton mechanic from ds1 but decided against it. i would agree with that decision if it were the case. lol
The first thing that came in mind, was Mergo by seeing baby envoy in the video. I am probably just making it complicated but to be clear, it was planned to be another enemy variant or something else entirely? :)
If the envoys are not actually aligned with anyone, just imagine being the current ruler with these symbols of the transfer of power doot-dooting outside your door.
@@viljamtheninja Wait, there were? All that ear torture was because they were fans of player character? Shame that next course of action for them was to blow lethal bubbles at me. And breaking my psyche while in the branches of a certain tree.
The envoys are a great example of how FromSoft genuinely does have a sense of humor. Like... look at them. Snowman-looking, bubble-blowing, doot-horn-wielding, spin-walking idiots. They're one of the goofiest enemies FromSoft has ever made.
I raise you the giant naked fatman in bloodborne who constantly rolls around his area while fighting. and when he dies his drop is almost always centered above his ass.
I think it's worth mentioning their bubble attacks, and how that might indicate some relationship or shared origins with the clay men in the Eternal Cities. The spell is called "Great Oracular Bubble", the keyword being related to oracles. Here's the description: "Sorcery of the claymen who served as priests in the ancient dynasty. ... The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Bubbles seem thematically tied to searching, according to this description.
I love how these guys appear whenever a new age is coming, because that strongly implies that Mohg's dynasty was never gonna be a thing. You don't see any of them in his blood palace
@@elissalesse8320 Buddy? Do we know each other? Thanks for the update though. Also, was I wrong about Micky Boy being in the DLC? Was I at least half right?
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 the literal meaning of the word doesn't speak to its pop-culture usage as slang. Given the fact that the term is widely used in Japan to refer to 'cute-ified' versions of characters with rounded heads and stubby arms, I would say you are very wrong.
The Oracle Envoy presence in the Haligtree feels fairly evidently- I think at least- a response to Malenia's upcoming godhood ascension during your fight with her. Just as their presence at Leyendell is as a response to your own eventual ascension. Both appear exclusively at the start of their respective areas, and both areas are the only two to end with someone becoming some sort of god. Their former presence in Deeproot is probably in response to Godwyn's ascension to Prince of Death, but as he is already that by the time you arrive, FROM probably decided that their presence no longer made any sense in the area.
I'm still so curious as to wtf they are... Their clothing and symbology seems to be representative of the Elden ring, but the items they drop liken them more to crabs, lobsters, and land squirts in anatomy...
More than Malenia, they were more realated to Miquella, since he was the most apropiated to be a "ruler-god" (there a re a lot of vids explaining that from a lot of lore hunters"
@@Hurtdeer They are. They are envoys of a coming age or god, meaning if they can somehow sense or see the future, they are oracles as well. They're not "Oracle's Envoy" they're "Oracle Envoys".
They are really similar to the beings that keep the Lovecraftian God "azatoth" asleep with the sound of their flutes. In fact the mere fact that they only arrive once a new God is coming its a pretty similar reason of the ones in Lovecraft mythos, as they also act as emissaries of the direct sons of Azatoth the one who sleeps.
Azatoth wasn't the only Lovecraftian god to whom flutes were associated. Nyarlathotep was often referred to as the "amorphous flute-player" and the misshapen moon-dwelling creatures that revered him played ivory flutes to call to him.
While I always love my lovecraft referenced, I suppose in this case it's more related to christian mythology, where trumpets sound at the time of Christ's return. Quite notibly there is talking about seven trumpets and the horn the big envoy plays has seven openings. Not much into christian belief myself so most of this is pretty muche hear say, but given how many christian references are found in Eldenring I had to bring this up
@@arcanaobscura3519 the difference being that there's literally Lovecraftian Gods in the game, Christ trumpets are most likely figurative of his second coming, and even if it was literal I doubt they would be so absurdly similar (like the one in ER are) to the most common description of the aliens I mentioned. I understand that sometimes some references to Lovecraft are a stretch but not this one, this one it's about as direct as the Erd tree (visually) is a direct reference to Berserk
the Ranni thing makes me wonder if they had like an entire third act dedicated to different endings, like imagine if the world or at least the plateau and it's enemies changed depending on the ending you chose, making these guys appear if you decided to not help Ranni with her quest or frenzied enemies appearing to stop you or fight with other followers if you joined the frenzied flame
"And unfortunately, removing it doesn't provide much detail." Zullie has added comedic timing to the various ways their videos have been getting even better.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate Zullies' effort in portraying these mysteries/theories (i dont know what to call them)? Their growth has been absolutely outstanding, both in editing and subscribers. Thank you for providing such wonderful and entertaining content Zullie 🙏
Rather than the Deeproot envoys being associated with Godwyn, and given their prior association with Ranni, I'm wondering if these enemies were slated to appear to the player only after having initiated certain flags in the various ending quests, resulting in more of a dynamic introduction to the story. E.g. Once you marry Ranni, the envoys would appear in the cathedral above, and maybe retroactively around Renna's Rise. Similarly, the envoys may have appeared in the Depths after giving Fia both halves of the Cursemark of Death where she lies at the end of her quest. There are already envoys in upper Leyndell where Goldmask's story ends - and while Dungeater and the Three Fingers are both technically in Leyndell as well, wouldn't it be interesting if there were also envoys in the loadlists for the Sewers/Shunning Grounds?
Or maybe they just planned to use the envoys on the branches in Deeproot Depths similar to the Haligtree branches but then replaced them with those gargoyles.
Definitely one of my longest weapon farming.... I either got killed before reaching it, fell from the tree by not jumping right or killed it only to get rewarded with white meat....
"The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Have you considered the link between these Oracle Envoys and the Claymen? The claymen arms and necks seem familiar in length. Perhaps they were failed oracles for their dynasties. In any case, it's wonderful what you're doing on this channel Zullie. Each reveal is extremely interesting and revitalizes my interest in the game.
Or perhaps the Claymen are failed artificial Oracles made by the Nox or since they search for oracles, a tool to seek and capture them for the Nox in yet another attempt to end the age of the Erd Tree.
That's definitely a possibility. Though, now that I think of it, the headdresses of the envoy oracles and the nox swordstress does have a mite of similarity. I wonder if there's something going on there too now, but I may just be grasping at straws.
They really remind me of the Lunarians from Houseki No Kuni, even down to their instruments. Even the song you paired with this reminds me of their introduction in the anime
There's a creature in the Cthulhu Mythos called "Servitors". They are warped tentacle masses that herald the Outer Gods, playing a cacophony of sound on alien flutes. The Envoys reminded me of them quite a bit, but mixed with Old Testament Seraphim.
Hey zullie, always wondered, where do you get all this meta info? Do you do the data digging yourself, or do you just archive what people have found here and there? Amazing work as usual btw!
I mostly work by myself, though I'll sometimes consult with other modders and dataminers who know more about certain technical aspects than I do. I also have the benefit of using the tools our community has built for, so I'm always getting help in that regard.
there's a whole community of people digging around the files and datamining, so I'd imagine it's a bit of both. Zullie definitely finds a lot themself tho.
The meta data is part of the files. You can inspect the maps/levels, check their load orders, etc., as well as other information for things like models.
I love them so much. I enjoy listening to their music any time i visit the capital. They're so fascinating and alien. Also woo! Envoy horns are the best! longhorn stunlock on bosses is so fun ❤
Their presence at the Haligtree is surely to herald the changes of the empyrion twins. Miquella's failed ascension and/or Malenia's ascension to a goddess of rot.
These are such interesting looking/acting characters. Easily a personal favorite. Really hope we learn more about them in the DLC or at some point down the line!
Imagine a boss version of one of these that summons minions throughout the fight and it's just a wild mess of bubbles and and a giant one of these guys rolling around the arena.
The are very reminiscent of the the flutists that keep Azathoth asleep in Lovecraftian lore. In the game, I see them as performing a similar function. Playing their flutes to keep something asleep. Would make sense they have a connection with Miquella.
@@tsm688 Reminiscent in the fact that musical instruments are the key part of their operation, and that their sole purpose is wholely dedicated to a being/event greater than them.
I laughed so hard when I first saw these things! You're greeted with this amazing scene of the Tree and the city. Then pan left and are greeted with the sight of these Stay Puff'd derplings twirling around playing Hot Cross Buns on recorders!
That moment when u just went out to the wall from outer wall grace and seeing the majestic sight of Gransax and the capital with the erdtree, with envoys' horn soundtrack, that was phenomenal for me. Until much later they became annoying wih the bubbles.
I always figured that they were indeed the Albinaurics that went to the Haligtree, since it is stated in Loretta's descriptions that she led the Albinaurics there for safety. As for the blood difference, it's quite possible that they've been modified by the Haligtree, much like all the other servants of Malenia and Miquella.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention that the clay men are apparently looking for them, based on the descriptions of their bubble spells. I have no clue what that implies, other than that the oracle envoys possibly date back to the civilization that build the ancient ruin architecture such as uld palace and the structure that became moghwyn palace. The bubble sorceries seemingly being a sorcery-based mimicry of the holy damage bubbles made by the envoy horns is interesting and could have some pretty broad implications.
It's been a while since I've played so excuse my lack of...words. Anything to their magic? They use bubble magic. The, uh, "clay" guys down underground also use bubble magic. I remember the clay guys magic being about "oracles." It seems unlikely that there isn't some connection between two groups using "bubble magic." Thanks for the videos. At this point you're my number one lore channel. The examination of in-game assets provides important context clues to what is or what might be.
We wrote a whole lore vid on how they could be connected to the albinaurics but the fact that they drop the white flesh and we're labeled as moon servants pretty much shoots that idea down. Now they feel more like a creature who had their lore separated from their use in-game. Zulie's data dives are incredible.
We interpret the horn as an instrument but what if it's like a listening horn and they're trying to listen for something in the cosmos that is approaching? Definitely not the case but I want more cosmic horror
Love the implication here that they're actually much more alien beings than they look and their mouth actually functions as an ear. An ear that can blow. Amazing I love it
The Outer Gods are ripe with potential cosmic horror and I expect at least a little more info on at least one of them from future DLC. The scorpion stinger dagger says it's a relic from a sealed outer god of rot, that implies it's a giant scorpion like God that is sealed away somewhere. Unlike something like the Formless Mother, who does not inhabit a physical form and seems to be some dimension of sentient fireblood that Mohg opens a portal to and grabs some to throw at you as an attack. There's all kinds of weirdness to get deeper into, those are just the two outer gods I find are less talked about but I have some info about. I can't imagine they plan for DLC and don't divulge a little info or give us a peak at something. Dark Souls 1 and 3 had some incredible DLC that let us time travel to the past and to the future, showing us things we would have never known otherwise (like where Oolacile was and went or how the numerous ages of fire turn the entire world into a giant ash desert at the end of time).
@@The_Fat_Turtle The god of rot was sealed under the lake of rot by the blind swordsman, who if I remember correctly was the mentor of Malenia. That's also why those rot insects are gathered in the grand cloister, it's close to their god.
would be neat to imagine their bodies consisting only a big set of lungs to doot-doot all days along, crafted specie just to make a herald announcing the gods.
these are some of my favorite character designs in the game, along with the translucent jellyfish. I think they look really unique and quite cool, even if they are silly if you take the wrappings off.
@@Sinhsseax They're the ones that float around in Norkron and a few other locations and they glow. I don't know the lore of them, but they are pretty and I really like them I wish there were more of them tbh.
There is actually a quest relating to them. You get the ashes for a jellyfish spirit early on from Roderika. She calls the spirit "Aurelia" and if you bring Aurelia to her brother in the mountaintops, they will fade away together and grant access to a cellar below. You can also find what is supposedly their graves around there. That is why I assume, that all jellyfish are dead children.
@@Sinhsseax aaah I see I didn't know about that one that's interesting and also sad. Since you get the spirit ashes from Rodericka and because she is tied to Godrick's lore I guess it would make sense that the jellyfish are the spirits of the children they grafted especially since she refers to them as "the little ones". Now I'm sad for the jellyfish babies.
I absolutely love these things. Easily one of my favorite enemies ever and I really wish we could get a non-hostile one, à la Ornifex. Also want to throw my hat on the side of 'automatically thought of Lovecraft' when seeing them and reading their item descriptions.
I imagine that the "long lost oracles" that the Claymen seek "in their bubbles" are the Oracle envoys who might have heralded their dynasty's rise to power. Hoping to see them appear again is them clinging to a long lost hope.
I want to believe the Heralds were at the Haligtree for Miquella. Before he was kidnapped by Mhog he was in a caccoon within the Haligtree in order to age up and ascend to godhood. Perhaps he was reaching the level with f divinity sparking the Heralds’ appearance before he got snatched.
i never thought too hard about the oracle envoys because they seemed like mostly a cool way to add a diagetic sondtrack to places like leyndell or the haligtree
The envoys remind me a lot of descriptions of the Court Of Azathoth in Cthulhu mythos. In the domain of this seemingly mindless god of chaos, amorphous flute players gather, tooting their instruments in worship. Given that Elden Ring has no shortage of cosmic horror inspiration, I can see these creatures being the servants of some incomprehensible cosmic will, just here as a pleasantry, blowing their horns to sound in a new age.
I never once looked at these things close enough to realize it was a hat. I just assumed they were monsters and a tribute to the mushroom people from Dark Souls.
Their round legless lower half remind me of daruma statues, which are apparently a depiction of a zen monk that meditated for so long that his legs disappeared.
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The small versions are labeled as "MoonServant_tibi" in their AI, but the "ti" and "chi" sound are represented by the same kana, ち or チ, meaning it's likely what would usually be rendered as "chibi". The missing "MoonServant_baby" is also called "ユニーク" (unique) in the Japanese character list, which may also imply something more peculiar about it.
i personally really like these loadlists as it can give some interesting insights into some enemies' lore.
perhaps they thought about revisiting the baby skeleton mechanic from ds1 but decided against it. i would agree with that decision if it were the case. lol
Chibi/chibiko is a word used for characters that are tiny, usually with a small body but big head
The first thing that came in mind, was Mergo by seeing baby envoy in the video. I am probably just making it complicated but to be clear, it was planned to be another enemy variant or something else entirely? :)
@@a10bam420 I used to think that the skelle babies were creepy until I found the mutilated fetuses swamp in demon souls
If the envoys are not actually aligned with anyone, just imagine being the current ruler with these symbols of the transfer of power doot-dooting outside your door.
do not ask for the herald doots for, the herald doots for thee
Upon learning that they were doot-dooting for my arrival, I feel kinda bad for slaughtering them.
@@viljamtheninja Wait, there were? All that ear torture was because they were fans of player character? Shame that next course of action for them was to blow lethal bubbles at me. And breaking my psyche while in the branches of a certain tree.
@@tsm688 You missed the "whom" 😮
@@chillax319 yeah I get confused even when I run past them. They wanna attack me lol
"What's under their big weird hat? Mostly disappointment." Finally, a character that I can relate to.
My favorites envoys are the two in Leyndell that simply...roll. They don’t blow their horns, they don’t really attack you, they just vibe.
Mystifying moments like that are one the things I like most about Miyazaki's games.
oh, to be a weaponless, eternally-rolling ball of cloth and flesh
@@jackkendall6420 the ultimate life form. Peak of evolution
@@meekalefox2703 close, considering the Raya Lucarian concept of the ultimate lifeform and final evolution of humans is a giant stone ball
Which ones are those in Leyndell?
I was disappointed to find out they weren't giant snowmen during my first playthrough
They aren’t? I never thought to think otherwise! They’re clearly snowmen!
@@meljXD2 Lmao, the oracle envoy's were CLEARLY inspired by snowmen, lol. I think most people see em as snowmen too.
Snowman 😂
same im heartbroken
laughed so loudly when the cloth was removed. something about just the face and arms is hilarious.
It's meme man!
definitely meme man
With how many enemies have something under the cloth layer you just don't expect this one to have almost nothing.
Lol this is perfect meme. Make a tarnished have a mind thinking what is inside their outfit and they show themselves like this haha 😂
It had to do it to them
The envoys are a great example of how FromSoft genuinely does have a sense of humor. Like... look at them. Snowman-looking, bubble-blowing, doot-horn-wielding, spin-walking idiots. They're one of the goofiest enemies FromSoft has ever made.
And at the same time, there is something eerie and even cosmic about them...
„You may use the doll however you wish“
GOOD GOD NO YOU DIRTY OLD MAN!
😂
Their model is based off of the floaty statue demons from DS1, who are truly the goofiest. There’s nothing funny about being dooted out of a tree!
I raise you the giant naked fatman in bloodborne who constantly rolls around his area while fighting. and when he dies his drop is almost always centered above his ass.
the same applies, among others, to those goat/sheep that roll away like the perfonification of some meme lol
I think it's worth mentioning their bubble attacks, and how that might indicate some relationship or shared origins with the clay men in the Eternal Cities. The spell is called "Great Oracular Bubble", the keyword being related to oracles. Here's the description:
"Sorcery of the claymen who served as priests in the ancient dynasty.
...
The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles."
Bubbles seem thematically tied to searching, according to this description.
and they wouldn't have blood if they were made of clay.
The veils covering their eyes look similar to those worn by the Nox Swordstresses
In next age they Will seek no bubles, but eyes....
Zullie came back to this concept today
I love how these guys appear whenever a new age is coming, because that strongly implies that Mohg's dynasty was never gonna be a thing. You don't see any of them in his blood palace
Yeah, next DLC might center around that. The envoys outside of the Haligtree wasn't for no reason.
poor mogh
@@LloydsSky9 they were there for Malenia, who very obviously becomes a goddess in her second phase. this has been figured out for awhile, buddy.
@@elissalesse8320 Buddy? Do we know each other? Thanks for the update though. Also, was I wrong about Micky Boy being in the DLC? Was I at least half right?
@@elissalesse8320well, don’t snap at me for asking, but… how does Malenia being a goddess of rot have anything to do with a new age?
Absolutely adore how the tiny ones are referred too as "chibi"
Even better is how the big ones are just outright called "fat."
@@iboofer Which makes it even funnier becacuse people are fond of calling them chonkers or absolute units, which was quite spot on.
But chibi isn't really a cute word, in Japanese. It's neutral, like little or small.
@@vagabundorkchaosmagick-use2898 the literal meaning of the word doesn't speak to its pop-culture usage as slang. Given the fact that the term is widely used in Japan to refer to 'cute-ified' versions of characters with rounded heads and stubby arms, I would say you are very wrong.
@@Neirean That's not true.
The Oracle Envoy presence in the Haligtree feels fairly evidently- I think at least- a response to Malenia's upcoming godhood ascension during your fight with her. Just as their presence at Leyendell is as a response to your own eventual ascension. Both appear exclusively at the start of their respective areas, and both areas are the only two to end with someone becoming some sort of god.
Their former presence in Deeproot is probably in response to Godwyn's ascension to Prince of Death, but as he is already that by the time you arrive, FROM probably decided that their presence no longer made any sense in the area.
I'm still so curious as to wtf they are... Their clothing and symbology seems to be representative of the Elden ring, but the items they drop liken them more to crabs, lobsters, and land squirts in anatomy...
Sounds possiblle and logical. You might be right
@@monsieurdorgat6864 they're envoys of an oracle. i think the more interesting question is who- or what- is the oracle?
More than Malenia, they were more realated to Miquella, since he was the most apropiated to be a "ruler-god" (there a re a lot of vids explaining that from a lot of lore hunters"
@@Hurtdeer They are. They are envoys of a coming age or god, meaning if they can somehow sense or see the future, they are oracles as well. They're not "Oracle's Envoy" they're "Oracle Envoys".
One of my favorite enemy designs from this game. The way they look and move is simultaneously hilarious and really creepy.
They are really similar to the beings that keep the Lovecraftian God "azatoth" asleep with the sound of their flutes. In fact the mere fact that they only arrive once a new God is coming its a pretty similar reason of the ones in Lovecraft mythos, as they also act as emissaries of the direct sons of Azatoth the one who sleeps.
Tuneless music, yes.
Azatoth wasn't the only Lovecraftian god to whom flutes were associated. Nyarlathotep was often referred to as the "amorphous flute-player" and the misshapen moon-dwelling creatures that revered him played ivory flutes to call to him.
While I always love my lovecraft referenced, I suppose in this case it's more related to christian mythology, where trumpets sound at the time of Christ's return. Quite notibly there is talking about seven trumpets and the horn the big envoy plays has seven openings. Not much into christian belief myself so most of this is pretty muche hear say, but given how many christian references are found in Eldenring I had to bring this up
@@arcanaobscura3519 How about a bit of both?
@@arcanaobscura3519 the difference being that there's literally Lovecraftian Gods in the game, Christ trumpets are most likely figurative of his second coming, and even if it was literal I doubt they would be so absurdly similar (like the one in ER are) to the most common description of the aliens I mentioned.
I understand that sometimes some references to Lovecraft are a stretch but not this one, this one it's about as direct as the Erd tree (visually) is a direct reference to Berserk
The transition at 1:39 was MONEY!!!!
Wow, yeah, that was great.
the Ranni thing makes me wonder if they had like an entire third act dedicated to different endings, like imagine if the world or at least the plateau and it's enemies changed depending on the ending you chose, making these guys appear if you decided to not help Ranni with her quest or frenzied enemies appearing to stop you or fight with other followers if you joined the frenzied flame
"And unfortunately, removing it doesn't provide much detail."
Zullie has added comedic timing to the various ways their videos have been getting even better.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate Zullies' effort in portraying these mysteries/theories (i dont know what to call them)? Their growth has been absolutely outstanding, both in editing and subscribers. Thank you for providing such wonderful and entertaining content Zullie 🙏
Yea she did, and deserves praise. But every video someone make this comment
@Azo I'm taking two moments to compensate.
I love your videos always crack me up...
Rather than the Deeproot envoys being associated with Godwyn, and given their prior association with Ranni, I'm wondering if these enemies were slated to appear to the player only after having initiated certain flags in the various ending quests, resulting in more of a dynamic introduction to the story. E.g. Once you marry Ranni, the envoys would appear in the cathedral above, and maybe retroactively around Renna's Rise. Similarly, the envoys may have appeared in the Depths after giving Fia both halves of the Cursemark of Death where she lies at the end of her quest. There are already envoys in upper Leyndell where Goldmask's story ends - and while Dungeater and the Three Fingers are both technically in Leyndell as well, wouldn't it be interesting if there were also envoys in the loadlists for the Sewers/Shunning Grounds?
Or maybe they just planned to use the envoys on the branches in Deeproot Depths similar to the Haligtree branches but then replaced them with those gargoyles.
Farming for the large envoy horn was such a pain.
Definitely one of my longest weapon farming.... I either got killed before reaching it, fell from the tree by not jumping right or killed it only to get rewarded with white meat....
"The claymen search for lost oracles within their bubbles." Have you considered the link between these Oracle Envoys and the Claymen? The claymen arms and necks seem familiar in length. Perhaps they were failed oracles for their dynasties.
In any case, it's wonderful what you're doing on this channel Zullie. Each reveal is extremely interesting and revitalizes my interest in the game.
Or perhaps the Claymen are failed artificial Oracles made by the Nox or since they search for oracles, a tool to seek and capture them for the Nox in yet another attempt to end the age of the Erd Tree.
That's definitely a possibility. Though, now that I think of it, the headdresses of the envoy oracles and the nox swordstress does have a mite of similarity. I wonder if there's something going on there too now, but I may just be grasping at straws.
They really remind me of the Lunarians from Houseki No Kuni, even down to their instruments. Even the song you paired with this reminds me of their introduction in the anime
The beautiful simplicity of your videos yet the depth of your research probabaly makes this my favorite channel
There's a creature in the Cthulhu Mythos called "Servitors". They are warped tentacle masses that herald the Outer Gods, playing a cacophony of sound on alien flutes. The Envoys reminded me of them quite a bit, but mixed with Old Testament Seraphim.
Hey zullie, always wondered, where do you get all this meta info? Do you do the data digging yourself, or do you just archive what people have found here and there? Amazing work as usual btw!
I mostly work by myself, though I'll sometimes consult with other modders and dataminers who know more about certain technical aspects than I do. I also have the benefit of using the tools our community has built for, so I'm always getting help in that regard.
there's a whole community of people digging around the files and datamining, so I'd imagine it's a bit of both. Zullie definitely finds a lot themself tho.
@Fernando R nobody knows, nobody cares, we love Zullie regardless
The meta data is part of the files. You can inspect the maps/levels, check their load orders, etc., as well as other information for things like models.
@Fernando R She's a girl. But she never made a face reveal. Guess she wants people focusing on her work, not her gender, and I respect that.
love the cinematography in your vids
I love that the small ones are called chibi
I like to imagine that they have a giant head of hair under those bandages
The literally look like pairs of little round moons.
The middle-sized one's horn IS ONE OF THE BEST WEAPONS EVER
Horn of the doot shower, slayer of dragons
@@iioxy7530 foos roh DOOT
0:40 I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when you removed that cloth texture. Holy shit lmao.
Since they heralding the Tarnished becoming the next Elden Lord, they very well know they cannot win fighting against Tarnished on the wall.
Never on my entire life have I seen every single video of a youtube channel, thank you for your work and investigations ! Always interesting
Zullie has a vested interest in big hat lore
The shot composition and camera work in this video is off the charts
now that's what I call A DUMP TRUCK
I love them so much. I enjoy listening to their music any time i visit the capital. They're so fascinating and alien.
Also woo! Envoy horns are the best! longhorn stunlock on bosses is so fun ❤
This is the Zullie video i have been waiting for.
Their presence at the Haligtree is surely to herald the changes of the empyrion twins. Miquella's failed ascension and/or Malenia's ascension to a goddess of rot.
These are such interesting looking/acting characters. Easily a personal favorite. Really hope we learn more about them in the DLC or at some point down the line!
Imagine a boss version of one of these that summons minions throughout the fight and it's just a wild mess of bubbles and and a giant one of these guys rolling around the arena.
Of all the NPCs in Elden Ring, the ones I want to know the most about at the Trumpet Snowmen.
The are very reminiscent of the the flutists that keep Azathoth asleep in Lovecraftian lore. In the game, I see them as performing a similar function. Playing their flutes to keep something asleep. Would make sense they have a connection with Miquella.
reminiscent how?
Plus, Lord Dunsany's god Mana-Yood-Sushai sleeping to the drumming of the god Skarl comes to mind as well. Dunsany & Lovecraft knew each other.
@@tsm688 Reminiscent in the fact that musical instruments are the key part of their operation, and that their sole purpose is wholely dedicated to a being/event greater than them.
Well their lore says the horns are for heralding a new age, which is quite the opposite of keeping something asleep, more like waking something up.
@@joshmay2944 And so the new age is born, carried to us upon the wings of doot-doots.
We not gona go into the lore of that dumpy?
Kinda hoped of something more i admit. I got intrigued witht the helmet's description they drop.
This is great. Thank you Zullie !
I laughed so hard when I first saw these things! You're greeted with this amazing scene of the Tree and the city. Then pan left and are greeted with the sight of these Stay Puff'd derplings twirling around playing Hot Cross Buns on recorders!
Thank you for always illuminating these things. I always appreciate seeing a video you make. Hope you're well!
Everyday I sit down to eat my lunch and you post a vid, I love it. And I love you
That shot of the moon being revealed behind the envoy's head wrap was so, so cool.
Well I'm not disappointed after watching this. Thanks Zullie!
They remind me of the mysterious pipers that play flutes to keep azathoth asleep in lovecrafts Cthulhu mythos
What's under their big weird hat? My guess would be their big weird head.
I love this lore - thank you for all these videos with a modder's eye!
That moment when u just went out to the wall from outer wall grace and seeing the majestic sight of Gransax and the capital with the erdtree, with envoys' horn soundtrack, that was phenomenal for me. Until much later they became annoying wih the bubbles.
I always figured that they were indeed the Albinaurics that went to the Haligtree, since it is stated in Loretta's descriptions that she led the Albinaurics there for safety. As for the blood difference, it's quite possible that they've been modified by the Haligtree, much like all the other servants of Malenia and Miquella.
I never knew getting hit by bubbles could hurt so much.
Great video, Zullie.
The moon connection would certainly explain why they’re so round
I haven't played elden ring, or any souls game very extensively in the past, but I really enjoy these trivia videos youre making.
I really do love your videos; the simple shot of the oracle looking up at Godwyn is just perfect, it implies so much
Always a pleasure, Zullie!
This is my absolute favorite Elden Ring channel
I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention that the clay men are apparently looking for them, based on the descriptions of their bubble spells. I have no clue what that implies, other than that the oracle envoys possibly date back to the civilization that build the ancient ruin architecture such as uld palace and the structure that became moghwyn palace. The bubble sorceries seemingly being a sorcery-based mimicry of the holy damage bubbles made by the envoy horns is interesting and could have some pretty broad implications.
It's been a while since I've played so excuse my lack of...words.
Anything to their magic? They use bubble magic. The, uh, "clay" guys down underground also use bubble magic. I remember the clay guys magic being about "oracles." It seems unlikely that there isn't some connection between two groups using "bubble magic."
Thanks for the videos. At this point you're my number one lore channel. The examination of in-game assets provides important context clues to what is or what might be.
We wrote a whole lore vid on how they could be connected to the albinaurics but the fact that they drop the white flesh and we're labeled as moon servants pretty much shoots that idea down. Now they feel more like a creature who had their lore separated from their use in-game. Zulie's data dives are incredible.
Zelda Music fits so well in the elden ring verse! Love how you use it for most of your vids!
I find it funny how the tall one's instrument makes this very low quality MIDI sound
We interpret the horn as an instrument but what if it's like a listening horn and they're trying to listen for something in the cosmos that is approaching? Definitely not the case but I want more cosmic horror
Pale legless beings manifesting out of thin air to sound horns because they're sensing the coming of a new god is kind of cosmic horror already.
Love the implication here that they're actually much more alien beings than they look and their mouth actually functions as an ear.
An ear that can blow. Amazing I love it
The Outer Gods are ripe with potential cosmic horror and I expect at least a little more info on at least one of them from future DLC. The scorpion stinger dagger says it's a relic from a sealed outer god of rot, that implies it's a giant scorpion like God that is sealed away somewhere. Unlike something like the Formless Mother, who does not inhabit a physical form and seems to be some dimension of sentient fireblood that Mohg opens a portal to and grabs some to throw at you as an attack.
There's all kinds of weirdness to get deeper into, those are just the two outer gods I find are less talked about but I have some info about. I can't imagine they plan for DLC and don't divulge a little info or give us a peak at something. Dark Souls 1 and 3 had some incredible DLC that let us time travel to the past and to the future, showing us things we would have never known otherwise (like where Oolacile was and went or how the numerous ages of fire turn the entire world into a giant ash desert at the end of time).
@@The_Fat_Turtle The God of Rot, is sealed under the Lake of Rot if i am not mistaken.
@@The_Fat_Turtle The god of rot was sealed under the lake of rot by the blind swordsman, who if I remember correctly was the mentor of Malenia. That's also why those rot insects are gathered in the grand cloister, it's close to their god.
The best part of these videos is the Zelda music
would be neat to imagine their bodies consisting only a big set of lungs to doot-doot all days along, crafted specie just to make a herald announcing the gods.
I'm happy we have an answer as to why they were outside the Haligtree
Oracle envoys are pretty cool but it’s a shame there’s not a lot of information we can get off of them.🐱
I like the mystery.
these are some of my favorite character designs in the game, along with the translucent jellyfish. I think they look really unique and quite cool, even if they are silly if you take the wrappings off.
The transluscent jellyfish?
Do you mean the dead children?
@@Sinhsseax They're the ones that float around in Norkron and a few other locations and they glow. I don't know the lore of them, but they are pretty and I really like them I wish there were more of them tbh.
There is actually a quest relating to them.
You get the ashes for a jellyfish spirit early on from Roderika.
She calls the spirit "Aurelia" and if you bring Aurelia to her brother in the mountaintops, they will fade away together and grant access to a cellar below.
You can also find what is supposedly their graves around there.
That is why I assume, that all jellyfish are dead children.
@@Sinhsseax aaah I see I didn't know about that one that's interesting and also sad. Since you get the spirit ashes from Rodericka and because she is tied to Godrick's lore I guess it would make sense that the jellyfish are the spirits of the children they grafted especially since she refers to them as "the little ones". Now I'm sad for the jellyfish babies.
Jeez Zullie, so violent! The poor meat bag never knew what hit it.
I call them diaper gurus and my friends absolutely hate it
I saw a notification saying "Elden Ring - Mostly disappointment" without the context of the thumbnail and I was ready to throw hands
Bloodborne water professor vibes. Except they doot instead of spill cosmic goo
Probably my favorite enemies in the game. The mystery is so palpable.
"First you honk, then you bonk!" ~ Nameless Tarnished
I really appreciate the non-clickbait nature of the video title.
Their weird little arms made me think of the arm coming out of the cocoon in Mohg's cutscene.
The spatter when you hit the oracles is identical to the spatter from Elden Beast which probably means they're connected even more so than before
Can't wait to play as Baby Oracle in Elden Kart
Somehow I never realized that they had humanoid faces. Thanks Zullie!
They could be at the erdtree awaiting the blooming of the goddess of rot.
I absolutely love these things. Easily one of my favorite enemies ever and I really wish we could get a non-hostile one, à la Ornifex.
Also want to throw my hat on the side of 'automatically thought of Lovecraft' when seeing them and reading their item descriptions.
At first I was like "ha ha funny enemy." Then the big one in Haligtree. THE HORROR!
I’m gonna edit this, but my prediction is that they low key look like those cliche grey aliens with big eyes.
Edit: it was so much worse
Mfs are just arms and half a head lmao
I imagine that the "long lost oracles" that the Claymen seek "in their bubbles" are the Oracle envoys who might have heralded their dynasty's rise to power. Hoping to see them appear again is them clinging to a long lost hope.
"Elden Ring - Mostly Dissapointment"
Damn, that's raw.
Definitevly my favourite Elden Ring enemy design
They signal my arrival but they continue to blow bubbles at me? Heathens!
I want to believe the Heralds were at the Haligtree for Miquella. Before he was kidnapped by Mhog he was in a caccoon within the Haligtree in order to age up and ascend to godhood.
Perhaps he was reaching the level with f divinity sparking the Heralds’ appearance before he got snatched.
The entirety of Elden Ring feels like a "to be continued", as if we are just part of the introduction to a long story
love the song used for this video
Oh wow, I didn't realize they were holding my future beneath their clothes
i never thought too hard about the oracle envoys because they seemed like mostly a cool way to add a diagetic sondtrack to places like leyndell or the haligtree
The envoys remind me a lot of descriptions of the Court Of Azathoth in Cthulhu mythos. In the domain of this seemingly mindless god of chaos, amorphous flute players gather, tooting their instruments in worship. Given that Elden Ring has no shortage of cosmic horror inspiration, I can see these creatures being the servants of some incomprehensible cosmic will, just here as a pleasantry, blowing their horns to sound in a new age.
I never once looked at these things close enough to realize it was a hat. I just assumed they were monsters and a tribute to the mushroom people from Dark Souls.
Their round legless lower half remind me of daruma statues, which are apparently a depiction of a zen monk that meditated for so long that his legs disappeared.
Wow! Was wondering when you’d make a video about these trumpet bois after your last video! What a coincidence
Man that title spiked my heart rate for a second
One thing that ties them to the moon is their shape. Big, white and round.