All Eikonic FEATS Ranked From Worst to Best in Final Fantasy 16
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"Deadly Embrace, Garuda's Eikonic feet" - Mr. Happy, 2023
A man of culture indeed.
Embrace Garuda's eikonic feet? No thanks, I'm not that kind of guy
You even get to see Benedikta's feet later in the game.
I just wish they could do Blind Justice as a mage stance, giving us Ramuh’s staff and changing the ranged attack/magic in the same way Arm Of Darkness gave us Odin’s sword and changes melee. It would have been my fav feats of the game.
And then combining it with satellite would be the best burst combo ever
yeah, hitting enemies with lightning bolts from the staff would generate orbs similar to it's current feat, then holding attac button would detonate them all. would be a cool gimmick.
Omg i didnt think i wanted this so much until you mentioned it
Honestly a skill like satellite would’ve been great for ramuh’s feat or something akin to the orbs raiden had in MKX. As is, Bahamut is basically Ramuh but better in every single way
Agreed, I just wish eikons would change how attacks works
Satellite (Bahamut's Two ball summon ability) actually works during deadly embraces extended stagger cutscene while your pulling the enemy down, spamming free damage and stagger while your otherwise unable to do anything
Tornado and Rime work as well. Enemy is not immune to damage and stagger during the pull down animation.
@@Dr_Donald_Duck I noticed this during a level 4 mega flare. Also it looks really cool when your struggling to bring down a giant monster with deadly embrace and see all the lasers wailing on the monster before eventually toppling it over
It also works while charging mega flare
Satellite is so good I love it combined with will o wykes and lighting rod for never ending damage
I LOVED Titanic block, but once I got the Berserker ring, it was more effective for me to get a burning blade after dodging it, making parry that much easier as well.
My favorite thing about Arm of Darkness is that you can parry without it on, and as long you activate it during the slow time, you can still do Steel Counter. It even works for a very short window after the slow time ends
Yeah, you get enough time to get a few hits off then switch to odin's sword to get the animation.
I think Bahamut is way underrated. It's great, especially on many of the hunts or bosses that have aoe vomit phases. You can almost instantly get a max level megaflare and drop it as soon as they land. When paired right, it's also some of the best damage in the game and (as far as I know) the only way to actually empty Banabas' Flash of Steel gauge before [spoiler] he cutscene wins.
wings of light is probably the best you can charge it faster by staying close to an enemy and dodging plus the damage from it is un real some of the higheat damage while attacking staggered enemies uses it its just very good
I think it’s the second best at worst
@@onyxgarcia9752 for sure id probably go shiva behamut garuda odin titan pheonix then wayyyyy wayyy far away from the rest ramuh honestly other then ramuh they all have very good abilities that compliment different play styles but ramuh is just trash and shiva is just a better version of pheonix that freezes everything with a percision dodge
its also very usefull when i have to wait for attacks to end or im looking at the boss the see what itll do
Tbh, most of the abilities are very well balanced. It’s a preference/situational thing in many cases as to which ones to bring. Blind Justice is significantly weaker than the pack and Zentetsuken is absolutely broken, but the other five are in the same general area at least.
Zantetsuken be really carryin me on Final Fantasy mode
Im glad that are Top 3 are the same. One thing to mention about Shiva is that you can use her skill to easily dodge boss 14 like mechanics. Makes some of the later hunts much more bearable to handle. Garuda is something you cant take off, that ability to mini stagger is insane. While Odin lets you play like Vergil, so ya nothing else needs to be said.
Honestly I value Titan over Garuda, I might switch Phoenix for Shiva though but Odin and Titan is staying.
Titan Block is just too useful for almost anything.
I dont aerial combo much and I dont need the mini stagger from Garuda feat.
Raging Fist and Diamond Dust is the only stagger abilities i need and Zen and Gigaflare are my 2 staggered dps abilities.
One thing you should mention about Titan Block is that basic and perfect blocking build huge chunks of LB bar. Think of Royalguard for Dante building DT. I like pairing it with Odin skills to compensate the fact that his skills don't build limit break bar. And Titan Block cancels out alot of Clive's animations while also providing a defensive shield.
yeah I think he's straight wrong about titan block lol it's amazing, I use it almost exclusively for building LB
@@Tloc222 A fellow royalguard enthusiast.
Forgot to mention that you also don't have to use all three hits of the counter hits so you can weave them and block/perfect dodge after, and the block and counter hits can be done midair. Utility is through the roof with high risk and reward.
Odin is probably the worst if it wasn't for Zantetsuken. The sword does no damage, no bar built for LB, it almost forces you to use Dancing Steel or one of his abilities to build Z bar taking up a slot, and Zantetsuken only gets value at level 3 and up. Probably the biggest commitment for 1 move
@@spiderknight217 but it's so cool
@@KillerUnicorn586 ik it's cool lol. But outside of level 4/5, Odin takes more to get the same value
@@spiderknight217 that’s true, but I’m okay with Odin being almost entirely centred around one gimmick. And fits the ongoing FF Odin lore of not being a sword clasher but a one hitter. But yeah, if someone gets it and doesn’t immediately have 5k AP to up Zantetsuken to level 5 it’s not worth using at all.
Shiva is OP against bosses since it allow you to constantly freeze them rendering them basically harmless, it is even better when combined damage over time abilites such as Aerial Blast and Impulse. Deadly Embrace is also very powerful when you combine the takedown with gouge to get them to stagger or close to it.
And if you time her dodge correctly it enables permafrost
Thank you for putting the 4k option in this video. Keep em coming please
Wings of Light is REALLY strong in certain niche boss fights like Sleipnir where he fucks off to make you dodge easy AoEs. You can't do anything to him at that time anyway and you can build up a free level 4 Megaflare during that mechanic, and just use 1 or 2s for the active parts
The first time I tried not using deadly embrace, it felt so weird.
Knowing when to use Megaflare gives you instant level 4 during some enemy rotations. Nexus Star or whatever it is from the penultimate boss can give instant level 4. Easily my favorite
something with megaflare no one thinks about is also using the taunt skill, since you literally never even use it otherwise.
@@hammerify7431well that and to force parries, counters etc
Another fun use is using zantetsuken and rift slip it will get mega flare to attack your target all at once
@@OfficialDjTalksick hold up all the beams will target your choice ?
@@opfade who ever is directly targeted by you like locked on will get hit by all megaflare sat once if I find the TH-cam video I learned it from I’ll comment the name it explains better
I agree with your top three! Bahamut is nice if you can dodge the comba attacks of bosses reliably. Ramuh is ok-ish against 4+ ennemies because you can put the 9 charges super quickly (granted it doesn't do much, but still). Phoenix kind of felt redundant once I started using Lunge more often. Titan or Shiva is up to personnal preferences I think, they're both good at what they do. Still, Garuda and Odin feel mandatory because of how good they are!
Nothing was more satisfying than Cold Snapping the final boss and whaling on him, its so good
Some credit for ramuh, thunderstrike can juggle enemies and so if you use ramuhs eikonic during that, the slowed time gives you enough to put maybe four extras on it before they start to fall, which further keep the enemy in place.
You can also use torgal to launch them after placing 9 orbs which will keep them in place.
Its just style points but its fun having an extra way to suspend enemies midair
You can use torgal while locking on too.
I loved Will of the Wikes, just gave me so much comfort when playing :)
10:16 i found one instance in which a perfect cold snap didn't actually freeze the enemy and that is in the last phase of the barnabas fight (when he is semi primed and glows blue) i timed it well it did the freeze animation and all but barnabas wasnt frozen at all and continued his attacks anyway
Wing of light is awesome if you wait until jsut before you stagger them. Then all those hit get a nice boost while you spam your other abilities.
Just a tip for anyone trying to get phoenix dash off your movelist, using basic lunge closes gap and lunge has huge active attack frames the further you are away which helps with parrying. As with phoenix dash your are 100% vulnerable during the dash. Only down side you can't instantly follow up after a far away launch.
You can do massive combos with phoenix shift though when you can precision sic constantly with Torgal.
@@TheSuperPlayerify They should really let you switch between all eikons like shulk from smash
Blind Justice honestly could've done with a dodge ability like Wings of Light. Even just a regular dodge would help out so much when you're lining up the shots.
Wings of light is always a must have for me, having something to build up when a gigas starts a big swing or some other onslaught type attack from enemies, ez damage
I wont take phoenix shift out for only reason: Clive is Joshua's shell. It's what his loot is, it is what link the brotherhood.
Tho i like to try other ability time to time tho.
This game got really great gameplay for you to combine them and see what combo i can make.
megaflare is situationally useful depending on the battle, too. against one-on-one battles with a small opponent, somebody like Benedikta or Hugo, its a bit of a waste because itll send down a lot of projectiles that hit the ground and do nothing. try it again on something jumbo sized like Garuda or Svarog, every drop coming down is hitting this thing somewhere, on the head, the wings, or just somewhere.
its also good against bosses who force you to stand back and dodge for a moment, to build it up and let it rip when they come back.
I know you did a top 7 abilities but I think you should make a tier list of all the eikonic abilities
After the new changes to Wings of Light, it’s got to be one of my favorite Eikonic feats now. I originally felt that it was far too passive for the playstyle I wanted and now being able to perfect dodge on activation gives me that playstyle. Wings of Light and Coldsnap are now my go-to dodge buttons instead of the normal dodge. Being able to perfect dodge with Wings for lvl.4 Megaflare, switch, perfect dodge with coldsnap, and then switching to Odin for Dancing Steel into lvl.5 Zan has made the gameplay feel so much more fluid.
If you use rings of timely strike, it shoots all the Ramuh blind Justice orbs instantly. I wish there was a way to do that normally.
I would say my favorite use of Blind Justice is using it in air combos. You wont get all 9 orbs initially but with moves like satellite or impulse you can get more. But adding in a few orbs after an air torgal precision sic and comboing after that always feels great
I didn't feel like Garuda was super necessary. In NG, I feel like you can roll with basically anything and do fine. I've been working my way through FF mode and I definitely think you either need Bahamut or Odin for the extra damage they provide. Megaflare doesn't have the nutty damage that Zantetsuken does, but you can throw it out a lot more, and if you're just not great at playing super aggressively, it might gel with you a little more.
Deadly embrace is such a #1 skill for me. I didn't remove it in my entire playthrough of the game.
I hate it lol
Megaflare is easily my favorite with Zantetsuken. If you know the enemies attack patterns, you can get Level 4 in seconds. It's also pretty damn helpful when you try to get the Medals of Valor, because, as i said, knowing attack patterns is the key to level 4 and also beating a boss without taking damage. Being able to passivly deal over 20k damage non-staggered is really good and getting even more when staggered is incredible
Exactly, megaflare 4 is literal 1-2 seconds against some magic spamming bosses
I really like wings of light. I just wish there was less of a delay (or none) between turning it on and being able dodge. But, when you use it right before a boss's combo attack, it feels really satisfying to get 3-4 precision dodges off quickly. Plus I've found that you can dodge right and left through any persistent damage effect and fully charge it immediately. You also don't _have_ to go for 4 stacks every time. If an enemy hits a rest phase after their attack, you can just unleash whatever you've got charged up and go on the offensive.
I didn't use the titanic block too much. It does feel really satisfying, and in certain situations I think it's preferable over a dodge if you don't want to change your position for whatever reason, but there are so many other ways to avoid damage that it didn't feel like a necessity for me.
I like phoenix shift, but I ended up taking it off once I unlocked Shiva. I ended up really missing it. I just didn't know what I wanted to take off to bring it back.
COLD SNAP FUCKING RULES. I agree with everything you said about it. I found that especially in the [SPOILERS] and [SPOILERS] fights near the end, I would freeze them in the first attack of their combo, and then always get hit by their second attack. But freezing a boss on their really big attacks and then just laying into them feels amazing.
I feel like I over valued embrace. The half will break pull is really good, but I don't particularly care for the small enemy pull or the big enemy jump. Might actually dump it to bring back phoenix shift for NG+.
Only used arm of darkness in the trial by darkness so far, so take into account that my opinion is built off a very small sample. I hate it. I guess what I really dislike is that Odin's entire kit revolves around the one thing (i mean it makes sense for him but still), and nothing else does significant damage or build LB. That also makes most of his eikonic abilities (besides the animation cancel) useless on any other eikon.
Oh and blind justice. I don't know how that made it into the game tbh. It's the clunkiest feat with, in my experience, the least impact. I was done using it before the fight it's introduced in was over.
honestly i do well enough in the air as it is with phoenix, charged air heavys, and stomps. plus i believe you can use phoenix shift a second time without landing to extend air combos if you use an aerial eikonic ability like gouge or if you get the big magic burst after the air combo, or maybe if you stomp? the specifics require testing but i know from experience that if you teleport for an air combo there's ways you can teleport again without touching the ground
Using TAUNT during Bahamuts charge helps out alot. Cuts the time commitment down by alot. ;)
Not too clunky imo. Unless you use on bosses/staggerable enemies.
I only just unlocked bahamut, im sooo excited for cold snap :D and zantetsuken looks soo cool. But yeah ive been using garudas mid stagger grab none stop since i got it, i just love popping it mid combo and even lets me stagger some enemies uninterrupted cos of the recovery time :D
My go to three are Pheonix for quick, long dash and paired with Rising Flame and Piledrive (or Thunderstorm/Heatwave), Shiva to set up my Lightning Rod/Dancing Steel for instant Zan, and Odin thats paired with Rift Slip and Heaven’s Cloud.
I used to rock Garuda with Wicked Wheel/Upheaval, Mesmerize/Wicked Wheel and then slash down, and Gouge/Impulse combo (use Impulse first, Gouge and then detonate).
My Thoughts/Summary of all the Eikonic Feats
Pheonix: Best for Pursuing enemies, and also for larger bosses, moving straight to your current targeted are {Prefer the Head, but this will make you use air attacks only till you land back on the ground}
Garuda: the Will Eater, Gouge is normally my "Go to" when a larger enemy is at half way in it's will meter, so after Yanking them into the extended Stagger, we use Gouge to eat away at the meter until the enemy gets back up, wait for them to attack, and then use Rook's Gambit to dodge, strike three times to remove the rest of the will meter, and then go in for the punishment!.
Ramuh: Surprisingly good when it comes to crowd control. Now hear me out, yes Ramuh's feat isn't the best during combat, but it has better uses, such being
1: aiming at as many targets as possible before a fight in the open world areas, or as soon as your able to during a scripted fight, that way you get a good couple of Licks in the lesser enemies health bars.
2: set a Lightnig Rod into the field, then move away form the enemies {if you can make them group up and follow you it works better} and fire all 6 {9 if you've mastered the feat} and the sphere will shock whatever enemies are in the lightning rods radius.
3: it's good extra damage in case all your other spells are recharging, if you feel like it at least.
Titan: Basically Dante's Royal Guard, but it's three {I swear it's four if it's a larger enemy} hard punches, and it fills your limit break meter up fast!. Perfect for aggressive, maximum damage playstyles!.
{Not to mention my Favorite Eikon}
Bahamut: on one side you're making yourself a target, but on the other hand you are able to dodge, plus once the meter reaches up to 4, Rain Hell from Above. also the Satelite is indeed useful for keeping you safe while in this charging state, trust me.
Shiva: I gotta admit, Shiva has an incredibly useful feat, you can dodge for a much longer length to get you out of trouble, and the fact you can freeze your enemise makes this great for dealing with multiple and singular enemies!. combine this with your favorite hard hitting move {mine is Windup}
Odin: *"Now I'm Motivated!"*
Your 3 4 and 5 are in the order I would put them in. I miss phoenix shift but I LOVE the Shiva dodge. I did enjoy titan but for the reasons you listed that would be behind the other 2
Best thing about blind justice is that it slows time for everything except for cooldowns. I use it just to “speed up” the CDs for my other abilities.
Well said. It gets insanely broken when used combined with Rift Slip (equip the accessories +1 and normal that shorten its time to make it even more broken) and Cold Snap. I use blind justice now SOLELY to charge my rift slip and my build is currently inspired by the FF Time Mage class
On Odin tho, their Feat directly changing Clive's weapon and basic combo animations. I really wish it was like that for the other Eikons, changes to a different weapon type entirely. This would changing your core combos instead of always using generic sword wpn type for whatever other eikon stance you're in.
So also change Clive's movement and dodge too, like Shiva stance he'd be ice skating around and the dodge would be cold snap by default. Or Ramuh he'd cover around and the dodge be a electric teleport. Just as some examples as such
That was what I expected when I first played the game, but found out that wasn't the case. I guess it's too much for them to work on that, since it appears they poured many resources into the cinematic fights and animations. Oh well, it is what it is....
@@lastest_debteenator its combat is like DMC5 (same combat director for both) which that game itself has different combo styles depending on which weapon is equip or what character you're playing as. So they could have done it for FF16 too, I mean Jill, Cid, Bendikita, Hugo already have their battle animations, so apply those to Clive's model when he switches Eikon stances.
Why on earth would you want blind justice to be aimed with left stick!?!
1- You can’t do anything else during it so,it’s ok to move your right hand down a little and use the control stick.
2- If it was aimed with left stick you would be unable to move to try to dodge attacks.
I use Megaflare, Cold Snap, Arm of Darkness. They are my personal top 3. A bit annoying against flying enemies but Torgal is a pal and brings them down.
Cold Snap is everything the 50% pull down Garuda does and more. It can be used more often, you get your cooldowns back, and you're active during the enemy freeze instead of in an animation.
Megaflare has so many ways of quickly charging it against stronger enemies, which is why I personally rate it really high. There's too many bosses where if you see a certain pattern you can go into megaflare and get level 3/4 nearly instantly. Any move with many active hit frames you can spam dodge through. Example being expanding aoes, the rays of a boss, odins multislashes, etc. Dodge into aoes, you never lose i-frames if you spam megaflare dodges, and the activation of megaflare is always invulnerable.
Also, a well timed megaflare before stagger can shred enemies so hard most die within 1 stagger on ff difficulty, maybe not on Ultimaniac however.
And, for all the reasons you stated, I too consider Arm of Darkness the strongest. Its parries charge so fast, Dance of Steel with the upgraded accessory is a free level 5 bar. It's just... overpowered in everything except scoring in arcade mode.
what accessory guarantees level 5 zantetsuken on dancing steel?
No Phoenix Shift OR Deadly Embrace?! You are a strange one! Anyone who has committed to using the unique strengths of both Odin and Bahamut is one smart cookie though, and you make a compelling argument for replacing Garuda with Shiva
Interesting. I took Garuda off early and never missed it. I’ll have to play around with her a bit more.
I never removed Phoenix or Garuda. The movement and combo capabilities were just to good to loose. Also had Shiva for a bit bc that freeze was just so good, but replaced her with odin
I like to think of the Eikonic feats in categories being defensive, offensive, and manoeuvrability some Eikonic feats actually overlap like Shiva’s cold snap being used for defence and manoeuvrability but this is generally what I think of them as and I just pick the ones that I want to use from each of those categories.
Shiva honestly offensive too because of the setups cold snap provides
@@shaquilleIVYh she really is just Broken and I love it
The loss of control/momentum/DPS from Ramuh's Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep shotlock, Titan's block, and Bahamut's Megaflare are big no-nos for me and probably most gamers, since I heard somewhere that losing control is one of the most frustrating things to gamers. And probably why fighting games turn so many people away, because if you're losing that feeling is constant, especially if it allows super long combos where you might as well put the controller down and wait till they're done ragdolling you.
Anyway, I think we all expected Ramuh's and Bahamut's to be low ranked since they are so situational. I could see Bahamut's being improved by holding down circle during downtime when you are not otherwise doing anything, sort of like the opposite of Odin's. Just longterm charging a magic blast ready to go off like channeling a cast, rather than just waiting around for it to fill up on its own and being totally locked out of all your other moves save for dodging and Satellite I guess.
Who would've thought Bahamut's ability kit would be so weird in this game? Bahamut is usually the ultimate and fan favorite summon. Bahamut's and Odin's both only really shine when you dedicate a bunch of gimmick abilities around them, sorta like how Yu-gi-oh decks are built now. The other abilities are more modular and their value speaks for themselves without having to build around them specifically
I think, also, the game could have added a whole lot of depth if Garuda's ability wasn't the only one that could exploit that partial stagger proc window. It's a shame that that visual/audio alert is only applicable to one of the eikons. Imagine if Ramuh could get all 9 shotlocks off at once with a tap of the button during that mid-stagger?
I would probably switch 6 and 7. Blind justice in enemy packs can go off quick enough, but megaflare will almost always take a while. I didnt think to use satellite though so thats cool.
I love Bahamut's Megaflare, here's how you're suppose to cheese bosses with it: When battle starts, spam all your ultimate abilities with long cooldown, then go into Megaflare mode. It's pretty easy to dodge attacks in this mode, when it reaches MAX, the cooldown for other abilities should be complete.
I mean, if you charge it by dodging, your cool downs won't be nearly as full. I've been using it mainly right before a stagger, so it just does insane damage, especially if you have diamond dust to immediately get the stagger multiplier to x1.5
@@ohmanilovemyguitar Right before stagger is ideal. Not always easy to line abilities up perfectly but it's very important for Final Fantasy Difficulty, where a lot of Bosses/Marks takes a lot to Stagger.
I beat the game and hadn't even considered using satellite while I charge megaflare lol
I loved pairing it with will-o-the-wykes
Ramuhs and bahamits work well together gpr crowd control
That and moving a lighting rod around and shivas lock is how i like to melt mobs before switchign to damage focused when i sense a boss or mini boss coming
I’ve used phoenix, Garuda, and Titan almost the entire playthrough. Tried the other ones out, but I always go back haha.
Ok so i just figured this out today but if you combine shivas dash freeze with rift slip from odin you can freeze the stagger gauge on enemies and get more dmg in your stagger windows.
I saw that 410k stagger damage at the end bro. My lord that’s insane
Titan and shiva have the same issue with long attack animations, like I noticed I can precision block the normal dragons wing slam but the ice one would hit me with the ice wave that came with it, same eith the big wing sweep, the animation is so long I always get clipped by it if I try to block counter. Since shiva actually removes you from the attack path its better overall. But man titan just feels so badass to use, buff the counter's will damage and it would be a monster
I like the Phoenix dash but could just use lunge to do the same in terms of gap closing.
Ok, but Eikonic Feet rank list when?
When I finish my damage window on a stagger, I will use Blind Justice on it and follow up with a full-distance lunge. This slaps off a quarter of the boss' will gauge off before its even finished standing up from its stagger.
perfect list
Personally would put pheonix shift as the worse, since your Cross+Square charge attack pretty much replaces it outside of aerial gap closing, which doesn't feel like a common enough requirement (since most aerial fighting is with small enemies that pose little problem). Plus, the animation for Pheonix Shift is long enough that I often got locked into getting hit by the enemy I shift at since you can't dodge cancel the shift. Mind you, I only played through the base game so maybe that changes in final fantasy mode. Maybe my lack of caring about air combos really hurt my interest for this and garuda's move. (though the partial stagger pull really help's to keep garuda's nice)
I also found a great use for Blind Justice during mini-stuns (I didn't know there was bonus damage during them though), where you can't actually get their stun bar down, so you can instead prep blind justice with 9 stacks during the mini-stun, since it does an okay amount of stun damage. A lot of the times I'd prep it, hit when with a decent smash after, and the bonus stun from blind justice would push them close to stagger at that point alone, all on an ability that shares it's slot with moves that don't add any will damage.
Titanic block can actually be chained if you know an enemy's moveset because you have +Iframes to re block. Plus the amount LB gauge from properly blocking is insane.
My honest issue with Titanic Block and Raging Fists (which I do really like, btw) is that... most enemies at the point in the game where I'm at aren't actually aggressive enough outside of bosses. Really... Something like Blind Justice (which is also my least favorite ability) is good for all the trash leading up to a boss, but the issue is... you need to be good at predicting where the boss is finally gonna show.... If there was a map available in dungeon areas, it'd be a lot easier... REALLY wish they didn't lock the map button in dungeons.
Also.. another note on Titan abilities... they suck on boss charges... They prevent the damage but, I've had an issue with missing the follow ups as the boss ran way to out of range, and Clive just attacks the air the opposite direction of where the boss moved.
Whats your Eikon setup for doing the double Zantetsuken?
Shiva. Heavens cloud and Titan punch. Odin. Dancing Steel and Void slip. Garuda. Lightning rod and Bahamut beam. This is bread and butter.
In my build i use Pull & Breath of darkness acceories +1 to have near constant Zantestuken that i can use 3 of them in a single staggerd state and use a couple ultimates to spread out the time with rift slip in between. i almost got 4 Zans but i think i would need to add breath of rift slip instead of genji gloves
whats your 3rd accessory? genji?
@@cavsfightingroom3692 yeah its genji +1. also i did more tests and still cant get that 4th one during stagger however i can still land a 4th one while there still geting up from stagger since i can land the 4th dancing blade as the stagger ends. so there pretty much dead and i tested in training mode and did 500k when stagger ended so the whole sequence could be around 550-600k. also note that im MAX Level with ultima weapon
I wish I could use Bahamut more often honestly but the charge up is so slow its barely worth it. I only bring it in boss fights with a TON of dodge mechanics to get that quick charge up but apart from that I barely touch it.
Garuda has always stayed in my setup I just love it so much.
I always switch between Pshift and Shiva depending on whether I want a super aggressive close up followup vs more ranged keepaway
I agree with this whole list for the most part,
as for 2,3,4,5 for me its: shiva (I FREEZE BOSSES), pheonix shift (I cant imagine life without it, never took it off my kit cause i use torgal and shift A LOT), Garuda (I love her feat but i made peace with it, I just value the other 2 more), and Titan (I agree with you, feels phenomenal and its a free block but i prefer parries and counters through abilities/shiva)
Regular Shiva dodges don’t leave the ice crystal. You have to input the button a second time to make the ice crystal. The precision dodges are correct though. Just dodging activates permafrost.
How do you get dancing steel to completely fill zentetsuken gauge ? I can seem to fill only to lvl 4
Phoenix shift, Deadly embrace and Cold Snap are my TOP 3 and favourite load out for normal encounters as they are so much fun. As much as Zantetsuken For the arm of darkness is the most satisfying ability, it gets tired for me in awhile that I just wish the lvl 1 and 2 would be the Vergil judgment cut to keep enemies in the air not to mention activating arm of darkness is soooo slow that my enemies always fell on the ground before I can continue the combo
Thats interesting about Odin. Not coming from an ARPG background when i got his abilities I wasn't too impressed. I found that I had gotten attached to the other Eikon abilities by that point of the game and didn't want to use all Odin abilities just for its feat. I admit that I haven't done any of the combat challenges other than hunts.
Totally agree Titanic Block is playstyle preference but still surprised it’s so low lol
For me since I like to never get touch and counter made hard, I go with
1. Odin: Odin OP, easy 1. Lvl 5 Zantetsuken stays on at all times. You can save and hold on to it unlike another in this list. So far in NG+ it's a small enemy guarantee wipe and a "Sonic in water countdown" for any enemy with a stagger gauge that is not a boss. Boss fights goes dumb too. The ability to call on it TWICE in a stagger gauge window is ridiculous. I am pretty sure I have a number of trophy photos caught by PS5 with me finishing a boss lol and almost every single boss that can be taken down by it in NG+ the ending screen is a lvl 5 Zantetsuken finish.
2. Shiva: Shiva dodge gives a STUPID amount of I-frames. You can Shiva dodge INTO the enemy attack not proc anything, get moved by the enemy and still take no damage, plus if the attack frames are long enough you can normal dodge immediately from it. It's stupid safe. Plus I believe that when you hit permafrost on some attacks it renders their attack frame null so no damage comes to you if they keep going? Frostbite doesn't do though. Permafrost proves the nice situation that I would like Garuda to do and allow me do setups for at least two combo strings with a Eikon ability popping in wherever.
3. Titan: That block makes me feel powerful. The fact you can chain them is crazy and just like Shiva you can dodge out of them immediately and call on the eikonic feat again. So double safe if you know what to do. Plus it's great way to do chunk will damage and build up Limit Break meter with the up to 3 counter punches given to you. So safe, will damage, and limit break gain, just for blocking instead of dodging. Too good in my opinion
4. Garuda: I know the uses of Deadly Embrace are nice, able to prop yourself in the air on a heavy enemy, pull small enemies to you, and on half staggered enemies is the mechanic it ALONE can do, but I find usually the only other thing I do in the half staggered pull down animation is call on Torgal to do damage. The normal pull down is really quick and not enough time for setups I find and the big pull down, used on Garuda in your video, then just has me pressing Torgal like 3~6 times and not much gain since they still get back up fast. I feel like should have allowed for longer setups since it's the only Eikonic ability that has it's only special thing on the will gauge and it's entire thing to bring down the enemy.
5. Phoenix: Awesome teleport. Nice bread and butter with normal or extended special combos with/without Torgal. I find that either when you phase if the enemy hits the phase or maybe the line from you to the target you get knocked out of it which kinda sucks makes sense. I leave it to someone smarter than to figure out that exactly works. Can throw this in any rotation of Eikons and be straight.
6. Bahamut: I wanna like this but I can't, too much setup, to reliant on it being the only thing out, can't hold it's charge, made for nice damage spread or central damage target if you use a ultimate ability that hits only one enemy on screen. It's cool? But not worth a slot unless you can't master Bahamut ulti which is literally just pure damage candy.
7. Ramuh: Shotlock is back from the KH series and it's just "meh". Odin's does a better job of crowd control (what better crowd control is there than everything just dying). It also suffers from too much setup and not enough safety for it and very little damage depending on what procs the orbs placed on enemies.
Shiva's is definitely my number 1 since if you can pull of the permarfrost its like witch time in Bayonetta and feels super satisfying to pull off
My top 1 is garuda the classic claw attack combined with phenyx tp and oden slowmotion
Kill that stagget bar and then go with lighnting + laserbeam and dmg goes crazy
I agree with this list mostly. I would honestly put Bahamut as 2 however. Mega flare + Impluse does insane stagger damage but also has crazy multiplier feats in stagger. The rotation I use is build up Odin feat to 2.5 bars, half stagger them, mega flare into impulse, diamond dust to full stagger, judgement bolt, dancing steel, then finish them with Odin level 5.
One shot any boss this way. Most staggers I get in over 160k damage
Question: are we sure that Zantetsuken level 5 does more damage than 4? I read an article that said 5 does less bc it oneshots low tier enemies, and it might be just bias after reading that but it kinda seems like that.
Deadly embrace for me was my least used feat after awhile pulling enemy was good but usually just use other skills to close in or just lunge at them
Agreed. Once I started using diamond dust and aerial blast for stagger I found I didn't need it
I think most of us knew what the top 3 would be, don’t think I’ve changed from that formation since getting it 😅
I would personally rank them like this:
1. Odin. Zantetsuken deals an absurd amount of damage.
2. Bahamut. Megaflare is great for crowd control, and charges pretty fast if you dodge, and it lingers, so you get it off once then swap to another one to deal even more damage.
3. Shiva. The permafrost dodge is super good.
4. Phoenix. Shift is just solid, and doesnt really have any downsides.
5. Titan. The block builds your Limit Break super fast.
6. Garuda. Good for combo extending, but doesnt really do much else, in my experience.
7. Ramuh. It's garbage.
My end game build has been
Phoenix Shiva Odin (or Bahamut if im feeling it)
Phoenix Shft needs no further explanation, it just works.
Cold Snap i think is a top 1 move in the game. 7 seconds of free damage is insane for zero cooldown. It also fixes Clive's BIGGEST weakness which is his ability to repositon away from enemies without a precision dodge or Berserker Ring
I wasn't super into Dancing Steel's long charge time but anytime I get a Cold Snap I basically get a free Dancing Steel.
If im dealing with mobs it's Shift in, Mesmerize, Dark Cloud, and then Zantetsuken. Stupidly strong and flexible
Wings of Light makes mince meat of bosses if you can get their barrage attacks down.
My first run of the final boss on normal was kind of a joke because I read his attacks so well, I basically got 4 lv. 4 megaflares off one after the other with a strength tonic on.
The number of times I have tried to precision dodge with phoenix shift out of instinct... even up until the last fight I tried to do it despite knowing that R1 is the button to go XD
I think snap freeze is actually quite a bit better than Deadly embrace. I've been using it in new game plus to help set up dancing steel and other will busters. Its relaly not that hard to land. I can usually land it with an 80% success rate on most enemies.
After I got all the other Ikons I personally play with phoenix , odin and shiva, freeze the enemy and than I use odins special attack to charge my zamazuken.
Personally I hate Garuda at the beginning it was nice but after I make the Garuda challenge I had so much trouble to get it
I rank Odin way lower. The Zan meter felt WAY to reliant on its own abilities to do the obvious highest damage. So what’s fun for ME, is to mix and match abilities and Eikons unexpectedly to see what interesting things I can do. Mobility and setup Eikons make more sense for me. I like that Deadly Embrace still scales to late game!
Titanic block should have worked like royal guard in DMC perfect block stores a charge then you can cash in those charges for huge damage or perform a perfect titanic block that deals a huge amount of damage quickly
Totally agree with you :)
Yeah I don't know. Maybe I should use Shiva over Titan, but I don't find the permafrost to be as satisfying as a precision block even though it's way harder to hit. Maybe I should
I agree with this tier list for the most part, yes arm of darkness is definitely broke as far as damage goes, and it's the easiest way to parry. As far as utility goes I think shiva Garuda and Titan are all 3 pretty broke in this fact. He covered Garuda thoroughly, but shiva not only freezing the whole area for like 6 seconds but the fact that you can freeze the stagger bar makes it broke for stacking abilities to get crazy stagger damage.
I actually rank Titanic Block higher because it allows me to play like I love in Souls games: sword&board in-your-face blocking and attacking in the right windows. I love it also for those "meteor shower"-like attacks some bosses have so you can mix-match dodge and block to avoid damage, because TBH I'm not the most skilled dodger (I tend to over-react often and dodge early)
Blind justice and mega flare are easily 2 of the best feats. Blind justice can single handed clear groups with a single charged magic inbetween to cause everything to go off and mega flare can easily be charged to rank 4 with 2-3 perfect dodges or just standing still which charges faster. The damage it outputs is stupid. I can’t see how these are the worst. Although all the feats are really good if used correctly so comparatively it’s kind of hard to even formulate this list
Bahamut's ability seems more for wiping out trash mobs or applying constant pressure on bigger targets you can easily dodge through. Some enemies have swarm attacks that can easily get you 2 or 3 levels if timing is good(or lucky). And the first few levels will easily destroy most weaker foes, you don't need to go all the way to lv 4 on everyone.
I'm a Phoenix Shift spammer. lol I'm really bad at parrying so I use Shiva's freeze to set up Zantetsuken with Dancing Steel.
I personally prefer megaflare to titan block and phoenix shift, because it basically gives you a dot to apply after a stagger burst and everything is on cool down. Even if you only get a level 2 it's still an OK dot to start reducing the stagger gauge again. I'll PROBABLY replace it with cold snap once I have enough AP to master gigaflare, but it's a far better option for my stagger-setup focus playstyle than shifting or blocking.
I never removed Garuda cause of deadly embrace. Even if I reventually replaced her skills with fire skills after retiring phoenix... I still wanted deadly embrace. It's obscenely useful.
Welp, looking at comments down below I see there are other megaflare enjoyers that talk about more use cases for it.
Wings of light is insane if you know how best to utilise it and when. Against magic casting bosses you can spam dodges like there is no tomorrow and rack up a lvl 4 in literally a couple seconds. Way way underrated.
I think Blind Justice is a lot better when paired with Lightning rod, because Rod is also targetable with Blind Justice stacks, which means even in single target fights you have access to faster lock ons and damage from the sparks triggeres rod, etc. It all plays well with eachother.
I still agree it's probably the worst though, just thought I'd mention that rod does make it a lot more playable.
I also disagree with the evaluation of Bahamut being a patient, keepaway game. I found that you actually get a lot from it if you act aggressive with it. Jump into Bahamut charge during skill downtime and move yourself *into*, not away from, enemy attacks for precision dodge. If you don't farm precision dodges then yeah, Bahamut falls behind a bit. The dodges remove the time commitment, I think we're supposed to go for them.
Just don't allow yourself to sit in it too long, burning uptime, and don't be afraid to shoot just level 1 or 2 megaflares. I managed to get a LOT of use out of it when I know a big attack is coming I'll just slip into stance, get a quick dodge or two and shoot it for a lot of crowd control and damage. I think if you sit in it, charging and using satellite, that's just wasting uptime.
So my final setup was Bahamut, Shiva and Odin. I am a Bahamut stan as it is (can we tell I'm a Summoner main XD), and Level 4 Megaflare just does, insane damage, both to bosses and to large groups of trash. I couldn't give it up XD.
I dont understand why they couldnt even let you use magic during wings of light unless you have satelite out
I agree. I think it’d be cool if u could trigger it and if u get hit it resets
It should work similar to odin, where your gauge does not degen and is kept when switching Eikons. You should also get a beeter magic attack while in that for that fills the gauge whith hits as well. As it is right now I basically never used it. I tried it once and switched off it a few encounters later.
where would Serpent Cry and Ascension rank?