I have learned to take Jack’s advice with a pinch of salt. Don’t go Chademo… From my less than scientific observations there are more chademo than Fast 22kW AC stations. I don’t see me abandoning my old girl for this younger model. Zoe’s Eco mode probably would have got me from Porthmadog to my home in Cambridgeshire non stop. Except I knew I would blow it on the A14. She is guesstimating 200miles with my driving. As for storage. Suitcase, holdall and electric wheelchair with plenty of space up to the parcel shelf. Me and my girl will be together for a good while to come.
@@chriswatt2702 About Chademo - was he talking about it in relation to 22kW AC or in relation to CCS? Because CCS is definitely the one to go with in Europe
@@bluemountain4181 it was a quote from another Jack video. Advice that I followed but also did not get CCS. Should have been mentioned as, guess what, there are more CCS and Chademo combined chargers than three phase type 2.
Woah woah woah hold up. Feel like we skipped over the battery chemistry a bit fast there. Having it be LFP is a HUGE deal for people who want longevity and minimal degredation. For a sub 50kwh battery, the extra weight is worth it to go LFP. Can we confirm both variants the 40+ and 29kwh version are both LFP? Love this car. Great video Jack and the team.
I agree, battery chemistry should always be mentioned, I would never even consider a lithium-ion car, but LFP and Sodium would go on my list immediately.
The lifetime of LFP v NCM isn’t really an issue for car drivers……….plenty of non-LFP Teslas with 250k plus miles on the clock with under 20% depredation. Most 100k mile ones are around 5%. LFP can also experience rapid charging being throttled, susceptible to cell temp more. Be a shame if not actively thermally managed, that’s more an issue that battery chemistry.
@@jamesvandamme7786I believe it's the world that isn't waiting for the US mate. The top three selling cars in the US are crazy old fashioned pick-ups that are unsellable outside the US..... If the protectionist import tax happens your car industry will stay behind until it's dead. Not facing the competition is suicide 😢
This looks brilliant; I had a Jan 1960 registered Morris Mini Minor and it had 33BHP and was fine in the 1980s. I accept there is a lot more traffic now, but 111bhp really is not a problem. Sounds like Citroen have nailed this car, I hope they sell a bucketload.
😂😂😂 Quite so but try not to ignore the weight. Original Mini Minor weighed in around ten and a half cwt. Battery probably weighs quite a bit so that accounts for powerful electric motor.
@@keithhooper6123 Yeah, young folk think you can only have cars that have at least 4 doors, 6 seats, screens on that back of every seat and a minimum of 350bhp. Everything else is some form of city car. Tell them you went from Amsterdam to Spain in a 2-door 1972 VW beetle with 44bhp, they will put you in a hospital for the mentally challenged. Everyone seems to have back injuries and at least 1 wooden leg, since they all need 4 doors to get into a car.
Speaking of cheap, electric cars, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV had a bit of the same as this Citroen. It was cheaply made but they kept an odd array of creature comforts. The base model came with two speakers, but had heated seats. It had an interior from Tupperware, but had speed-sensitive wipers. It had the barest of instruments, but had a heated steering wheel. It also had an overboosted steering wheel like this Citroen. There is something charming about a simplistic car.
I had two 2CVs in my earlier years and they were great, simple, practicle and cheap. I am glad to see Citroën haven't lost thier touch in that respect. 😊
Just looked up the e-C3 here in Denmark, Apparently there's a trim level 'VTR Sport'(+7000dkk/~£800 extra) above the one Jack reviewed here, which does have heated front seats, windscreen & steering wheel + quite a lot of other stuff. For the price i actually think i'd prefer that over the blingy red metal paintjob which costs 9500dkk over standard for comparison.
In Germany, you can also have heated seats and steering wheel for I guess 700 eur. 11kw OBC is 400 eur extra. the bad thing is you cannot get winter packet for basic trim You, so the Max version + winter packet is not that cheap anymore.
@@KN-hg3mw curious, when this was lauched in Portugal we only had the you and max version, now it shows you, you plus and max, the "plus" one has most of the stuff you need, only missing the auto air con and qi charger to be honest...
Exactly the kind of car that's needed to tackle air pollution in our cities. We'll done Citreon. If you factor in the money you will save on petrol, if you charge at home, the car will pay for itself.
With the high cost of UK electricity, think that argument unfortunately isn't in the EVs favour. Especially if you charge on public infrastructure. Don't go EV to save pennies, unless it's a company car and you're charging for free at work. Check out the depreciation. Each couple of years EVs will improve, like computers and phones don't hold their value. At least not until things mature a lot.
It'll be my 1st electric car when my current ICE kicks the bucket! But I'll have the ~200 mile WLTP version, because I mostly need it for day trips :D I was thinking the Dacia Spring in the past, but the range just isn't enough for me. This one will do VERY nicely!
@@EcceJackI did 50k miles in a 38kWh Ioniq, before that I’ve commuted in 24kWh Leaf and a minuscule c-zero. Range is overrated. Been driving full EV for 12yrs……just do it
@@ianjames3078 Thanks for the perspective! I drive a Vauxhall Vivaro-e van for work, and on long journeys, and rather enjoy it. I commute on foot, so the car really is for day (and weekend) trips - and I don't have an electric one yet more because of the money than anything else, which is why something like this one looks very appealing
home run! Treffer und versenkt! A comfortable, quiet, spacious, quite affordable electric car with acceptable range and charging speed. I imagine Teslabjorn will do his 1,000 km challenge run in under 11 hours with this one. Me wants it!
So much to like about this car from both a consumer perspective and a design one. Decades ago I was part of a team that generated a number of ideas for Jaguar LandRover. It was clear back then that there was an appetite for an eco friendly economical car, that wasn't green wash. Unfortunately legacy brands still had so much buy-in to the systems of manufacturing that they really struggled to understand what was being proposed. Finally we are starting to see ideas from all those decades ago being used. The future really is not to keep burning your resources.
When car journalists try to convince us that 22.000 pounds is affordable, remember - not that long ago, you used to be able to buy mid spec Polos, Fiestas, Puntos, for 10.000. It's not electric that's the problem, it's the whole industry. And China might have something to say about that in the future.
they are on the manufacturers' payroll, of course they are going to say that a £ 24k is cheap. They are definitely not making ends meet with TH-cam ads. Not a single journalist has the balls to call out these outrageous prices.
I was at Everything Electric North and thought mentioning the "Back Room Staff" was a fantastic way to recognise the hard work behind the scenes. Maybe you could add the names of the people involved in the filming editing etc in the summery of the video in the drop down. I would appreciate it and i am sure they would too!! Old style "Credits"
I love/appreciate the way you review cars in their orginal context. I know all car journalists think they do it this way but they can't help themselves(of course there are exceptions) but you do it very genuinely..
Thanks for the nice review. Yep, we were waiting for several years for an EV with a, for us, useable range of over 300km and decent charging speed with 100kW, for around €25k. Preferable with an LFP battery pack. This is the one. We bought the MAX for €26k (with €2950 subsidie) black body white roof and the 11kW AC charger. Delivery in October. Super happy. The Renault R5 Etech was the 2nd choice, nice sporty body. But that has NCM battery tech, the 40kWh battery and with 80kW slower charging. AND, in reality that will not be sold this year. You can order, but it will be mid 2025 before it arrives a the dealers. (possibly no subsidy in 2025). So, it is the Citroën ë-C3 MAX that came out on top.
@@Whatshisname346 Thanks for the confirmation. On the dealers website in the Netherlands, it also says heated front seats and heated steering wheel standard in the MAX. Without it, i don't think we would have bought it.
@@toyotaprius79 I supose this new type of suspension will be more reliable? I love hydropneumatic too but man the maintanance and complexity... Its oposite of what they wanted to achive, simple car with as little parts possible:) And horizontal springs and swing arms were designed for "non existing roads" type of driving. Bit different priority then today driving.
@@tgregi I had a BX19 about 15 years ago - the only maintenance it ever needed was calling in to my Citroen garage and having the balloons inflated occasionally, which cost $40NZD (about 20 Euro) evry once in a while. I still miss that car - the comfort! the smooth! the quirky!
at last, a clip that deserves to be titled "affordable electric car". cheap is 20 grand nowadays :))) it's funny how jack looks like a giant when he stands next to the car, but when he's in the car it feels like he's back to regular person size :)
Reality check. Dacia Sandero 14k £ Thats affordable, and practical. Except for the environment of course... we do have to make this move away from fossil fuels.
@@allanpick4235 Yeah, electric cars still have ways to go. I wonder how much the pertrol version of C3 will be if this one is the cheapest in its electric segment.
@@2727daqwid Me foams at the mouth every time I hear affordable... At least it now applies to sub 30k these days. But let's be honest. When a car can do a week's driving on one charge, which you top up while at the super market, say 30mins, and costs around 15k, that's affordable. Because so many people do not have room to charge cars at their houses or flats. Then I would love to buy one.
@@allanpick4235 No currently sold battery, and the production processes, and recycling, which no one does, is any cleaner than all of the ice cars ever made
I love the idea of using your own phone or tablet for the infotainment screen but they should also just have a typical old school DINN radio and physical aircon buttons.
It does come with aircon buttons actually! Theyre the same as in the version shown here, the row underneath the screen. Fully agreed on radio though, its a nice commuting thing where you dont really need GPS anyway and are too lazy to plonk your phone in. ^^
The entry level car does NOT have an infotainment screen !!! Yay !!! That's a first in the industry !!! Infotainment screens suck purple Twinkies. I've been advocating for a decade using your phone and a USB charger for navigation. Everyone told me, "It can't be done." Well, bug off! Citroen did it !!! Perfection !!!! Thank you.
@@decimal1815Or for the price of any new car android auto should be standard, cheap as chips. FFS a radio was standard in the 70's, anything to stop people using their bloody phones in cars.
Just to point out the e-C3 Max adds a reversing camera, automatic air conditioning, a heated steering wheel, heated front seats and dark tinted windows, and also gets improved safety equipment, including speed camera awareness and live traffic information. All for £1,700 extra. LFP without a heat pump means less range in winter, but you can charge to 100%, not 80%, without having to worry about battery degradation.
The same goes for Peugeot, they had a nice, relatively small and simple, lion outline badge... and now they have a relatively large shield with a lion head! Who gave the green light for that? Please show yourself!!
£23k isn't "genuinely affordable", it is "relatively affordable". Relative to other new cars, it is cheap, yes. But you look at the average person's salary in the UK, it is still a huge purchase to buy one of these new. The average person is going to look at a used car, which opens many avenues - you can have a really, really nice EV for the same money and a car that is only a couple of years old.
I understand your point, but I’m going to take a stand here. There wouldn't be any used cars on the market if there were no new cars to begin with. If everyone only bought used cars, eventually, there wouldn't be any used cars left.
@@LePerlashez you are absolutely right. But on that point, I really don't understand people who buy new cheap cars, such as a Dacia. You can get so much more for your money getting something mildly used.
That's ALWAYS been true, new cars are not cheap, and arguably should not be. some people will always pay for the service, guarantee, choice, smell and peace of mind a new car gives. plus remember a LOT of cars in the uk are now leased.
Average uk wage is 35k pre tax.. you can realistically aim for a car which is half ur salary so a decent car for around £15 to 17k range would be a good target for most UK people. The government should for once reduce taxes on new cars and let people buy new motors for a bit less like the Americans do.
LFP battery is a good choice! Obviously it does not have the same energy density as NMC but it's MUCH MUCH safer! LFP does not burn! Also LFP degrades 3-4 times slower than NMC!
It is notable how quickly Citroen took what they learned from Oli and have incorporated some of that into a production car. Honestly, as an old person I think we are ready for cars with basic, simple features that just let us drive the car, instead of trying to tantalize and distract us with shiny objects and tech baubles. Our phones already do that, there's no need for a car to do the same. I am not technology or feature averse, but driving a car does not need to be an "experience" for most people. Driving is dangerous the the tool we use to drive should never be challenging us for attention.
This is something I agree with and a major decision making point for me. I love Renault’s media control stalk. I love the Aircon is controlled by dials. Starting to feel a bit too warm, three clicks counter clockwise with eyes on the road. Jack’s throw away line about Eco mode. This mode is a remapping of the output of the accelerator pedal to the performance of the drive train. No delays on production line. Negligible weight increase so why is it missing?
I agree, can’t stand the advertising for a new car which starts with showing the tech .. no mention of interior, engines, etc until it’s shown us the massive infotainment 🙄😫
Yeah I have never understood why our cars need to be rolling mansions, there are more amenities and tech and stuff to make us "comfortable" in the average car these days than most people have at home. Massage and AC in the seats... All that weigh a massive amount. Look at BMW's new M5 with mild hybrid tech. Its gained 1000 pounds in a single generation! 1/3 of a small car in one generation, almost 2,5 tonnes. Everyone blame the hybrid parts added... Each seat in a modern car is what? 70 kg? more? 14 electric motors, heating, cooling... ducting...
Great job Citroen. I think it is definitely more of a southern Europe car, with its LFP and no heated seats/steering wheel and no heat pump. Going to be everywhere on the Mediterranean coastlines.
This is the first EV i'm actually tempted to buy. Inexpensive? Check! Not overpowered? Check! Built simple without a bunch of extra crap? Check! And its available without a TV in the dash too?!? Holy moly, this is my next car!
You can get heated seats + steering wheel + windscreen as an option (1K euro), but no heat pump because that is just more expensive. I would have liked to see battery thermal management(at least heating for the winter since it's an LFP)
And that €1K upgrade got loads of extra goodies too like fog lights, driver assists, -reversing camera- etc, seems like an absolute no-brainer value wise esp. compared to the €1300 ask for the blingy red metal paint job.
@@evfocusro Oops my bad, reversing camera is indeed standard on mid level spec. Although here in DK, the trim level i are named differently(You!/Impress/VTR Sport) I'm assuming they're probably equivalent anyway? 🤔
I like it...a lot! To your list of heat pump, heated seats and steering wheel, I'd add ventilated seats. The heat pump would preserve efficiency when heating/cooling is required for comfort, and heated/ventilated seats would expand the ambient temperature range where heat or A/C would be needed. An electric-only platform would also be nice. However, I totally get why Stellantis are doing the multi-energy platform thing. Another wonderful review, Jack. Keep up the great work.
I think this goes into the realms of faffy expensiveness though. I’d actually cut that list to just heat pump - efficient heating to preserve range. I don’t buy the notion that resistive heating the person and their hands is more efficient than a heat pump would be in heating the whole cabin. And it’s a damn sight less comfortable. The other things are nice to have but to be found on more expensive models. Keep the cheapness!
Fantasic little thing. Finally concentrating on the things that matter. Lack of heat pump and heated seats is a shame though, as it will really effect the efficiency in the winter.
best thing they could do is get rid of him. Prioritising cybertruck over the entry level hatch/SUV, and putting it out with serious issues but asking 100k USD for it is wildly irresponsible with shareholder money. Continuing to put outessentially unfinished products and asking people to pay top dollar them is so callous.
I have a base model C5 Aircross. Didn't quite have the budget to go electric at the time of buying. I love my car. It's no frills, comfortable and very practical. This eC3 looks brilliant.
Here's a question, the entry level model that uses your phone to control things like the radio... Does that mean with that version it would be illegal to change the radio station whilst driving? As you can't operate your phone whilst driving, even though a touchscreen when physically part of the car is fine?
Now if they could redo the e-C4 with a proper EV architecture, lower base, no central tunnel, 45-55kWh, 100kW DC charging, 11kW AC, 88kW motor like my Ioniq Electric (0-60 in 8secs, no one needs more than that), heat pump, they’d have a banger!
@@kosiranze almost. It still has a central tunnel, high base, yet smaller boot and more cramped interior than my Ioniq. The basic motor is 100kW. And despite the 50kWh battery pack, it struggles to really achieve better than 3.8-4 miles/kWh and to reach 200 miles of range. In that respect the Ioniq 38kWh is a much better deal (at least for the UK).
Wont be that affordable, tyres cost you 800 quid a set, and need a new chassis every time you run off the road because you had to navigate through 5 pages to turn down the air con or open a window... Buttons ain't cool but they do work Elon. Dang he can't hear me up there.
@@paulb1951test drove the mg4 trophy one year old 11k mileage was on sale £19k. Where did you get yours? 100% labour/Tories have been shocking in govt.
Citroen are going to sell a lot of these, both EV and ICE. Regards the size I'd say 4m is pretty large for a supermini, thats as long as mk3 golf, let alone a mk1 which was barely 3.7m. for me the wheels are too big, I'd put smaller ones on the top spec immediately
They’re going to do an aircross 7 seater version of this. Not sure if it’ll have a bigger battery but I’d pay an extra couple of can’t to be able to haul a bit more stuff in the back.
This has to be one of my favourite car reviews from Fully Charged and the first time Jack has made me genuinely laugh out loud (with his Elon joke). It’s exactly the kind of car we have been waiting for - affordable small family car and he gets to the stuff that matters straight away - price, range and interior space via the Jack test. (I’m 6”5 myself and have a family of already tall and growing children). Other reviews feel like I’m being dragged along through endless things I don’t care much about until I finally hear the price and range at the end and can firmly dismiss it as an option. Personally, although £20K is on the cheaper end when you look at the prices of new cars, I’ve never spent that much on a car in my life and always bought second hand and kept the costs well under half that, so it will be a while before these reach the second hand market and become truly affordable to my mind. Still that will happen and I look forward to it finally arriving. As to any quibbles about what’s on offer in the car itself, as Jack mentions a heat pump is missing. It’s pretty important to have as standard to regulate battery temperature here in the U.K. especially to reduce range loss in cold weather. I have a second hand electric van from Stellantis with a Vauxhall badge on it and the range drops very significantly in winter. Other than that I’d love to see a long range version that can do around 300-400 miles per charge. I’m in the rare bracket that does regular long journeys of over 300 miles round trip in a day at regular intervals throughout the year and trying it in my van, with a similar WLTP range to this of just under 200miles becomes a bit painful due to having to plan in all the charging stops (and trying to find the cheaper ones!). I wonder if manufacturers aiming at meeting average needs is going to get us there in the long run. It’s the extremes that people want to know are covered - that family holiday drive down to Cornwall etc. people think about that worse case scenario (even though it only happens once a year) and want something that works for that too, not just their day to day school runs, shops and commutes. I’m willing to put up with the pain points on those long journeys to reduce emissions but I’m not sure most other people are.
Thats whats interesting about this new generation, its not about excess but about - Do I really need that much?. The new generation is not about bigger and more is better, but rather what is effective?, what is appropriate? Its not about that 20 pound burger that you can eat only half off and toss away the rest, its about an appropriately sized and tasty meal that will fulfill your nourishment needs. its not about that car that looks like an elephant and can drive up a wall, its about what car do I need to get through my day.
What a fantastic video! Looking to replace the old vauxhall and this car seems to be the best choice. In England, where it takes 5 hours to drive 5 miles, it'll be perfect. First vid i watched from this channel, love it!
as a household, we've never spent more than £10k / $12k on a car. Even at that price, it was a big financial commitment, and we're on decent salaries. Not sure why anyone would want to buy new TBH..
Up here in Finland you can get one with seated heats and clammy hands but it’ll set you back €29,500 and you have to take the iffy touchscreen. I’ll hang on for the R5 just to see if Renault can pull off something as affordable. Nice little car though!
BYD can provide a sub 10k electric car..but with import tax and supply issues why haven't we seen a tidal wave of these efficient cars.. The sweet spot in The UK would probably be around 15k.. We aren't that far away. It Dosnt need whistles and bells.
Safety, transport costs and build quality. Like it or not the market here expects higher perceived quality, it’s why brands like Proton, Perodua and FSO never caught on. Also by the time you add on shipping and taxes you’re looking at a £15,000 car which probably has terrible high speed stability.
Top tip - get a 2 year old Hyundai Ioniq 38 with 3yr warranty for half the price and at least the same range……..it’s more efficient…..cheaper to ‘fuel’.
I understand your point, but I’m going to take a stand here. There wouldn't be any used cars on the market if there were no new cars to begin with. If everyone only bought used cars, eventually, there wouldn't be any used cars left.
According to the WLTP range and battery size, it's barely more efficient, if at all. And at least in my market, I can't find any that are more than a few thousand £ cheaper than a new Citroën. With 30k miles on the clock, 2-3 years less warranty, a little wear here and there, perhaps needs new tyres soon... hardly a no-brainer in my book anyway.
It's a winner! Sensible small, unobtrusive screen and even an option without one! that's amazing.; rear charging port; physical buttons; space to spread your legs. Is there a button to turn off the Lane Nanny?
Like the Elon joke 🙂. Wasn't very keen on the latest Citroen designs but this one is quite refreshing. Edit: could this be the modern version of the 2CV?
As someone who drives a second-hand Smart Fortwo Electric 2015, this sort of feels like what I have, but better. No customization, no tweaking, no big config, nothing revolutionary. Just a car, that works as a car, gets you to your destination and "just works". Part of me really wants to be able to access the Smart's internals because I'm a power user and I'd like to have more control, but... but it works anyway! Definitely sounds like the E-C3 is going to help with better adoption. Maybe it'll come to Canada at one point, and I'll see some on the street. Thanks for this review!
YOU is 23.300€ but it's too stripped down to be used as the only family car. MAX + options(winter package and 11kW AC) tops at 28.400 €. You get a lot of extra stuff for the money so I say it's worth it.
Here in DK the price difference between the bare bones and highest level spec is a mere 20K DKK(€2667). You'd be crazy to skimp on it with the amount of extra goodies you get, not least the heated seats, wheel & front windscreen, but also tons of driver aids, bigger wheels, fog lights and acoustically insulated windscreen(Maybe the one Jack drove in the video had this, since he mentioned how quiet it was?))
I like that we're making cars taller, from an ergonomics point of view. I wish we weren't making them taller at the grille, from a not killing pedestrians point of view.
What a brilliant looking Citroen. This might be a game changer given the styling and price. Ideal for towns and cities. Can't wait to see it in the metal.
Thanks for presenting this intersting little new car. Depending on how you define a "family" I still find it quite a stretch to call this car a "family car". When the four of us go camping/tenting (and we don't take more luggage with us than we really need), we fill 800l boot space of a Tesla MS (a Dometic Cooler fills on third already) and also a roof box (filled with tent, sleeping bags etc). The E-C3 might be a nice second car for doing the groceries and bringing the kids to places, but definitely not more. And as such, I might consider this as a family backup car indeed (might be we soon need a second car, as the kids grow older and their range of activity extends).
The distributor says this car isn't available to Australia. Jack! (or anyone else at Fully Electric/Fully Charged) Next time you see Citroen people, change their mind, please! I agree with you, exactly the type of EV we need more of. Australians might be seen as needing space and bigness, but the vast majority of us live in the suburbs of major cities like Melbourne or Sydney
Given how light the last generation C1 was (around 900kg) i would imagine as EV it won't be more than 1100-1200kg, that thing can be made for 20 000 euros (since you can power it with 28-30KWh battery). Citroen sadly discontinued the C1, only Toyota keeps making the Aygo (C1/Aygo/107 are on the same platform).
@@ristekostadinov2820Fleeting profit margins against inflation in a socio-economic time of record wealth inequality meant that selling a minimum of 150,000 C1/108/Aygos was not as lucrative or reliable as large, pluses out crossovers. Toyota replaced it with the AygoX. A demonstrably cynical and overpriced crossover replacement, with not even a hybrid option
Quite spoiled, the young man. Honestly: at the age of almost 60, driving for more than 40 years by now, I *never f*ing ever* missed heated seats or even worse, a heated steering wheel. 😂😂😂
Great review Jack, an affordable EV car at last,Citroen has always had a certain way in building cars, Unique you might say, even when they use to be available back in the Day in Canada, it would definitely need a heat pump and heated seats and heated steering wheel here in Canada for our winters, it would cut into range sure , most people would get buy it , I drive 80kms/day for work and the speed on my route averages 95kph with traffic so it is just fine, The E-C3 would work out to $38,500.00 which is good and in the province i live in we get $4000 rebate and the federal rebate $5000 would bring this car under $30,000 WOOHOO, ti would be the biggest winning Canada automotive wise since before Covid and make it affordable for I would say million Canadians, that is a win in every direction, meaning most owners would charge once a week or less, we have a large percentage of drivers that only drive 50-75 miles/weekly or less ,it would be good to see Citroen back in Canada , it is a cool little cart needs a heat pump for Canadian market 👍
In Denmark(no subsidy): 180K DKK(lowest trim) / ~€24,1K. Highest trim level is 200K DKK / €26,7K (Above one reviewed in this video as it has heated seats/wheel/windscreen etc)
good price! A question: how long must one keep a car to prevent losing the subsidy? I imagine a Dutch one-year old e-C3 would be very attractive to German buyers (who get no subsidy).
From launch I believe UK cars (Plus and Max trim levels) both get the 10" screen whilst top-spec Max cars get heated seats and steering wheel. Pricing-wise it's similar to a petrol Skoda Fabia, Hyundai i20 or hybrid Renault Clio. This isn't being aimed at people who might otherwise get something larger and older.
Really looking forward to the new electric Panda (also from Stellantis) - this gives me some hope! I'll need a replacement for my ancient 2008 Panda Cross - ideally in a nice eye catching colour.
@@Pcoakaloid ...because they're not genuinely affordable. Seeing overpriced supposedly entry-level vehicles marketed as "cheap" and "genuinely affordable" is disingenuous at best.
Wait for chinese electric cars. EU wants to put extra import taxes on chinese manufacturers. If China didnt create alternative citroen and other european brands would still try to charge over 30k for these shitboxes
Great car... And even the somewhat average range fits in well with what's going on in France charging wise : new charging stations fast and slow are popping up everywhere. Last time I went from Paris to Montpellier I counted 37 fast charging stations, that's one every 13 miles! About half of the motorway service stations have electric charging stations with the other half being equipped in the coming two years. Supermarkets are getting into the business too with Lidl even offering budget fast chargers!
Its another stupid clickbait thumbnail which does not help people who are not on board with ev cars....showing £100 this will never be even below 200 on finance or lease.
No one is denying electric cars are expensive (but also modern ice cars are a lot more expensive than they were 10 years ago) but as Jack pointed out the entry level prices are coming down (slowly)
In France this car will be €100 a month on a gov't sponsored lease scheme for those who qualify (low income, can't use public transport to get to work which is more than 18 km away)
Will need to check out the interior package: I had a Cactus and the seating position / pedals was like torture after an hour...hopefully this is improved
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"If you need eco mode, drive slower." - Jack Scarlett
Get it on a t-shirt
I have learned to take Jack’s advice with a pinch of salt.
Don’t go Chademo… From my less than scientific observations there are more chademo than Fast 22kW AC stations.
I don’t see me abandoning my old girl for this younger model.
Zoe’s Eco mode probably would have got me from Porthmadog to my home in Cambridgeshire non stop. Except I knew I would blow it on the A14. She is guesstimating 200miles with my driving. As for storage. Suitcase, holdall and electric wheelchair with plenty of space up to the parcel shelf.
Me and my girl will be together for a good while to come.
@@chriswatt2702 About Chademo - was he talking about it in relation to 22kW AC or in relation to CCS? Because CCS is definitely the one to go with in Europe
@@bluemountain4181 it was a quote from another Jack video. Advice that I followed but also did not get CCS. Should have been mentioned as, guess what, there are more CCS and Chademo combined chargers than three phase type 2.
@@chriswatt2702 CCS = Combined Charging System, Many CCS equip cars can use Type 2 chargers
Woah woah woah hold up. Feel like we skipped over the battery chemistry a bit fast there. Having it be LFP is a HUGE deal for people who want longevity and minimal degredation. For a sub 50kwh battery, the extra weight is worth it to go LFP. Can we confirm both variants the 40+ and 29kwh version are both LFP?
Love this car. Great video Jack and the team.
Good spot - it’s really exciting but I don’t want to overly geek out about it. Yes LFP for both.
Yes, unfortunately it doesn’t seem to have active thermal management - it is “air cooled” which is an annoying shortcoming even if it is LFP.
I agree, battery chemistry should always be mentioned, I would never even consider a lithium-ion car, but LFP and Sodium would go on my list immediately.
The lifetime of LFP v NCM isn’t really an issue for car drivers……….plenty of non-LFP Teslas with 250k plus miles on the clock with under 20% depredation. Most 100k mile ones are around 5%. LFP can also experience rapid charging being throttled, susceptible to cell temp more.
Be a shame if not actively thermally managed, that’s more an issue that battery chemistry.
@@yvan2563there’re all lithium!
Finally the review we were all waiting for. Will this car be ushering a new era of affordable EVs for the masses? I really hope so.
Not the masses in the USA. We wait.
@@jamesvandamme7786I believe it's the world that isn't waiting for the US mate.
The top three selling cars in the US are crazy old fashioned pick-ups that are unsellable outside the US.....
If the protectionist import tax happens your car industry will stay behind until it's dead. Not facing the competition is suicide 😢
@@jamesvandamme7786 Yep, because Elon is now the richest man in the world, he can buy Congress and keep Citroen and Chinese cars out of the U.S.
This looks brilliant; I had a Jan 1960 registered Morris Mini Minor and it had 33BHP and was fine in the 1980s. I accept there is a lot more traffic now, but 111bhp really is not a problem. Sounds like Citroen have nailed this car, I hope they sell a bucketload.
When re I'm from 111hp was what an escort mark one twin cam had, it's plenty.
😂😂😂
Quite so but try not to ignore the weight.
Original Mini Minor weighed in around ten and a half cwt.
Battery probably weighs quite a bit so that accounts for powerful electric motor.
Driving a pick up with 39bhp,and it's not a problem,to me. Many years had vans,with 31bhp.
@@keithhooper6123 Yeah, young folk think you can only have cars that have at least 4 doors, 6 seats, screens on that back of every seat and a minimum of 350bhp.
Everything else is some form of city car.
Tell them you went from Amsterdam to Spain in a 2-door 1972 VW beetle with 44bhp, they will put you in a hospital for the mentally challenged.
Everyone seems to have back injuries and at least 1 wooden leg, since they all need 4 doors to get into a car.
114hp is what Skoda will sell you to drive a 1.5tonne Octavia, so it's fine. Not fast, but fine.
Speaking of cheap, electric cars, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV had a bit of the same as this Citroen. It was cheaply made but they kept an odd array of creature comforts. The base model came with two speakers, but had heated seats. It had an interior from Tupperware, but had speed-sensitive wipers. It had the barest of instruments, but had a heated steering wheel. It also had an overboosted steering wheel like this Citroen. There is something charming about a simplistic car.
Mitsubishi should have never discontinued the iMiEV with just the Outlander as its replacement
Love those things. A Swedish chap once told me they’re great for drifting too
It's not odd if you think about it. Heated seats save energy on interior heater and same for the wipers not moving when not needed.
The i-MiEV was also available as Citroën C-Zero.
With 5 miles of range…
I had two 2CVs in my earlier years and they were great, simple, practicle and cheap. I am glad to see Citroën haven't lost thier touch in that respect. 😊
Just looked up the e-C3 here in Denmark, Apparently there's a trim level 'VTR Sport'(+7000dkk/~£800 extra) above the one Jack reviewed here, which does have heated front seats, windscreen & steering wheel + quite a lot of other stuff.
For the price i actually think i'd prefer that over the blingy red metal paintjob which costs 9500dkk over standard for comparison.
In Germany, you can also have heated seats and steering wheel for I guess 700 eur. 11kw OBC is 400 eur extra. the bad thing is you cannot get winter packet for basic trim You, so the Max version + winter packet is not that cheap anymore.
@@KN-hg3mw curious, when this was lauched in Portugal we only had the you and max version, now it shows you, you plus and max, the "plus" one has most of the stuff you need, only missing the auto air con and qi charger to be honest...
Exactly the kind of car that's needed to tackle air pollution in our cities. We'll done Citreon. If you factor in the money you will save on petrol, if you charge at home, the car will pay for itself.
And help with climate change.
@@nickthegriffin Versus spending a fortune on petrol, not to mention maintenance.
...(*) depending on how much you spend on petrol
@@Zebsy No problem. Get petrol for free, don't drive, or make it out of sunlight at home like many EV drivers do. No EV needed!
With the high cost of UK electricity, think that argument unfortunately isn't in the EVs favour. Especially if you charge on public infrastructure.
Don't go EV to save pennies, unless it's a company car and you're charging for free at work. Check out the depreciation. Each couple of years EVs will improve, like computers and phones don't hold their value. At least not until things mature a lot.
Should win Car of the year! It'll be my 1st electric car when the cheapest version arrives.
We ordered the MAX (still almost €3.000 subsidy for the Dutch in 2024. So it was €26k. 👍
It'll be my 1st electric car when my current ICE kicks the bucket! But I'll have the ~200 mile WLTP version, because I mostly need it for day trips :D
I was thinking the Dacia Spring in the past, but the range just isn't enough for me. This one will do VERY nicely!
@@EcceJackI did 50k miles in a 38kWh Ioniq, before that I’ve commuted in 24kWh Leaf and a minuscule c-zero. Range is overrated. Been driving full EV for 12yrs……just do it
@@ianjames3078 Thanks for the perspective! I drive a Vauxhall Vivaro-e van for work, and on long journeys, and rather enjoy it. I commute on foot, so the car really is for day (and weekend) trips - and I don't have an electric one yet more because of the money than anything else, which is why something like this one looks very appealing
@@EcceJackplenty of excellent used EVs on Autotrader at the moment, within a “decent” price bracket £12k-£18k.
home run! Treffer und versenkt! A comfortable, quiet, spacious, quite affordable electric car with acceptable range and charging speed. I imagine Teslabjorn will do his 1,000 km challenge run in under 11 hours with this one. Me wants it!
So much to like about this car from both a consumer perspective and a design one. Decades ago I was part of a team that generated a number of ideas for Jaguar LandRover. It was clear back then that there was an appetite for an eco friendly economical car, that wasn't green wash. Unfortunately legacy brands still had so much buy-in to the systems of manufacturing that they really struggled to understand what was being proposed. Finally we are starting to see ideas from all those decades ago being used. The future really is not to keep burning your resources.
The Dacia spring is also a fascinating little car. And with a charming interior and exterior to go with its £15,000 starting price.
When car journalists try to convince us that 22.000 pounds is affordable, remember - not that long ago, you used to be able to buy mid spec Polos, Fiestas, Puntos, for 10.000. It's not electric that's the problem, it's the whole industry. And China might have something to say about that in the future.
Not that long ago is in fact quite a while ago lol. Inflation is a thing.
they are on the manufacturers' payroll, of course they are going to say that a £ 24k is cheap. They are definitely not making ends meet with TH-cam ads. Not a single journalist has the balls to call out these outrageous prices.
I was at Everything Electric North and thought mentioning the "Back Room Staff" was a fantastic way to recognise the hard work behind the scenes. Maybe you could add the names of the people involved in the filming editing etc in the summery of the video in the drop down.
I would appreciate it and i am sure they would too!!
Old style "Credits"
I love/appreciate the way you review cars in their orginal context. I know all car journalists think they do it this way but they can't help themselves(of course there are exceptions) but you do it very genuinely..
Thanks for the nice review.
Yep, we were waiting for several years for an EV with a, for us, useable range of over 300km and decent charging speed with 100kW, for around €25k.
Preferable with an LFP battery pack. This is the one.
We bought the MAX for €26k (with €2950 subsidie) black body white roof and the 11kW AC charger. Delivery in October. Super happy.
The Renault R5 Etech was the 2nd choice, nice sporty body.
But that has NCM battery tech, the 40kWh battery and with 80kW slower charging.
AND, in reality that will not be sold this year. You can order, but it will be mid 2025 before it arrives a the dealers. (possibly no subsidy in 2025).
So, it is the Citroën ë-C3 MAX that came out on top.
Thanks for the advice. A max here in Finland is €29500 but you do get heated seats, steering wheel and front screen in that.
@@Whatshisname346 Thanks for the confirmation. On the dealers website in the Netherlands, it also says heated front seats and heated steering wheel standard in the MAX.
Without it, i don't think we would have bought it.
Hi mate!!
Citroen's suspension is really good tho. This car with that suspension is already makes it a really good buy
But still a far cry from the iconic 2CV's horizontal springs and swing arms, and even further cry away from the famous hydropneumatic suspension.
@@toyotaprius79 I supose this new type of suspension will be more reliable? I love hydropneumatic too but man the maintanance and complexity... Its oposite of what they wanted to achive, simple car with as little parts possible:) And horizontal springs and swing arms were designed for "non existing roads" type of driving. Bit different priority then today driving.
@@tgregi I had a BX19 about 15 years ago - the only maintenance it ever needed was calling in to my Citroen garage and having the balloons inflated occasionally, which cost $40NZD (about 20 Euro) evry once in a while. I still miss that car - the comfort! the smooth! the quirky!
at last, a clip that deserves to be titled "affordable electric car". cheap is 20 grand nowadays :)))
it's funny how jack looks like a giant when he stands next to the car, but when he's in the car it feels like he's back to regular person size :)
Reality check. Dacia Sandero 14k £
Thats affordable, and practical. Except for the environment of course... we do have to make this move away from fossil fuels.
@@allanpick4235 Yeah, electric cars still have ways to go. I wonder how much the pertrol version of C3 will be if this one is the cheapest in its electric segment.
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Me foams at the mouth every time I hear affordable... At least it now applies to sub 30k these days.
But let's be honest. When a car can do a week's driving on one charge, which you top up while at the super market, say 30mins, and costs around 15k, that's affordable. Because so many people do not have room to charge cars at their houses or flats. Then I would love to buy one.
@@2727daqwid Petrol anything is immaterial unless you don't drive it.
@@allanpick4235 No currently sold battery, and the production processes, and recycling, which no one does, is any cleaner than all of the ice cars ever made
I love the idea of using your own phone or tablet for the infotainment screen but they should also just have a typical old school DINN radio and physical aircon buttons.
It does come with aircon buttons actually! Theyre the same as in the version shown here, the row underneath the screen. Fully agreed on radio though, its a nice commuting thing where you dont really need GPS anyway and are too lazy to plonk your phone in. ^^
For the price difference, you could buy a cheap reconditioned Android mobile to use only for satnav and 'radio' functions.
The entry level car does NOT have an infotainment screen !!! Yay !!! That's a first in the industry !!! Infotainment screens suck purple Twinkies. I've been advocating for a decade using your phone and a USB charger for navigation. Everyone told me, "It can't be done." Well, bug off! Citroen did it !!! Perfection !!!! Thank you.
@@decimal1815Or for the price of any new car android auto should be standard, cheap as chips. FFS a radio was standard in the 70's, anything to stop people using their bloody phones in cars.
@@stepheng8779 that's true.
Just to point out the e-C3 Max adds a reversing camera, automatic air conditioning, a heated steering wheel, heated front seats and dark tinted windows, and also gets improved safety equipment, including speed camera awareness and live traffic information. All for £1,700 extra.
LFP without a heat pump means less range in winter, but you can charge to 100%, not 80%, without having to worry about battery degradation.
The only thing i hate about it is the new badge. They had a great minimalistic badge...and now they have an egg 😮💨
all the french brand rebranded in 5 years for those fat + flat graphic things. Not a fan too
No problem, it is also coming with a Fiat badge (July 11th Panda release), potentially also Peugeot (1008).
looks so terrible. Like american army corporal, but a crappy chinese brand instead.
The same goes for Peugeot, they had a nice, relatively small and simple, lion outline badge... and now they have a relatively large shield with a lion head!
Who gave the green light for that? Please show yourself!!
The chevrons do not need another shape. I had to pause it, just to imagine blanking the pebble shape out. Much better.
£23k isn't "genuinely affordable", it is "relatively affordable". Relative to other new cars, it is cheap, yes. But you look at the average person's salary in the UK, it is still a huge purchase to buy one of these new. The average person is going to look at a used car, which opens many avenues - you can have a really, really nice EV for the same money and a car that is only a couple of years old.
I understand your point, but I’m going to take a stand here. There wouldn't be any used cars on the market if there were no new cars to begin with. If everyone only bought used cars, eventually, there wouldn't be any used cars left.
@@LePerlashez you are absolutely right. But on that point, I really don't understand people who buy new cheap cars, such as a Dacia. You can get so much more for your money getting something mildly used.
That's ALWAYS been true, new cars are not cheap, and arguably should not be. some people will always pay for the service, guarantee, choice, smell and peace of mind a new car gives. plus remember a LOT of cars in the uk are now leased.
The petrol version is only 4K less. So it’s actually as affordable as other cars in its class.
Average uk wage is 35k pre tax.. you can realistically aim for a car which is half ur salary so a decent car for around £15 to 17k range would be a good target for most UK people. The government should for once reduce taxes on new cars and let people buy new motors for a bit less like the Americans do.
LFP battery is a good choice! Obviously it does not have the same energy density as NMC but it's MUCH MUCH safer! LFP does not burn! Also LFP degrades 3-4 times slower than NMC!
It is notable how quickly Citroen took what they learned from Oli and have incorporated some of that into a production car. Honestly, as an old person I think we are ready for cars with basic, simple features that just let us drive the car, instead of trying to tantalize and distract us with shiny objects and tech baubles. Our phones already do that, there's no need for a car to do the same. I am not technology or feature averse, but driving a car does not need to be an "experience" for most people. Driving is dangerous the the tool we use to drive should never be challenging us for attention.
This is something I agree with and a major decision making point for me.
I love Renault’s media control stalk. I love the Aircon is controlled by dials. Starting to feel a bit too warm, three clicks counter clockwise with eyes on the road.
Jack’s throw away line about Eco mode. This mode is a remapping of the output of the accelerator pedal to the performance of the drive train. No delays on production line. Negligible weight increase so why is it missing?
I agree, can’t stand the advertising for a new car which starts with showing the tech .. no mention of interior, engines, etc until it’s shown us the massive infotainment 🙄😫
Yeah I have never understood why our cars need to be rolling mansions, there are more amenities and tech and stuff to make us "comfortable" in the average car these days than most people have at home. Massage and AC in the seats... All that weigh a massive amount.
Look at BMW's new M5 with mild hybrid tech. Its gained 1000 pounds in a single generation! 1/3 of a small car in one generation, almost 2,5 tonnes.
Everyone blame the hybrid parts added...
Each seat in a modern car is what? 70 kg? more? 14 electric motors, heating, cooling... ducting...
Great job Citroen. I think it is definitely more of a southern Europe car, with its LFP and no heated seats/steering wheel and no heat pump. Going to be everywhere on the Mediterranean coastlines.
Heated seats/wheel/windscreen is an optional extra though 😉
This is the first EV i'm actually tempted to buy.
Inexpensive? Check!
Not overpowered? Check!
Built simple without a bunch of extra crap? Check!
And its available without a TV in the dash too?!? Holy moly, this is my next car!
Should cost less to insure too, with 111 BHP rather than 47 million like all the rest.
You can get heated seats + steering wheel + windscreen as an option (1K euro), but no heat pump because that is just more expensive. I would have liked to see battery thermal management(at least heating for the winter since it's an LFP)
And that €1K upgrade got loads of extra goodies too like fog lights, driver assists, -reversing camera- etc, seems like an absolute no-brainer value wise esp. compared to the €1300 ask for the blingy red metal paint job.
@@lagmonster7789 Reversing camera is standard on MAX.
@@evfocusro Oops my bad, reversing camera is indeed standard on mid level spec.
Although here in DK, the trim level i are named differently(You!/Impress/VTR Sport) I'm assuming they're probably equivalent anyway? 🤔
@@lagmonster7789 The electric C3 has only base (YOU) and top (MAX) versions.
E-C3, Darcia Spring and others. Looking good for me getting an electric car soon.
THANK YOU FOR THE KM EQUIVALENT IN THE SPECS!!!
I like it...a lot! To your list of heat pump, heated seats and steering wheel, I'd add ventilated seats. The heat pump would preserve efficiency when heating/cooling is required for comfort, and heated/ventilated seats would expand the ambient temperature range where heat or A/C would be needed. An electric-only platform would also be nice. However, I totally get why Stellantis are doing the multi-energy platform thing. Another wonderful review, Jack. Keep up the great work.
I think this goes into the realms of faffy expensiveness though. I’d actually cut that list to just heat pump - efficient heating to preserve range. I don’t buy the notion that resistive heating the person and their hands is more efficient than a heat pump would be in heating the whole cabin. And it’s a damn sight less comfortable.
The other things are nice to have but to be found on more expensive models. Keep the cheapness!
Fantasic little thing. Finally concentrating on the things that matter. Lack of heat pump and heated seats is a shame though, as it will really effect the efficiency in the winter.
The target market wouldn't care.
@@RichardFraser-y9t Actually we would, but it's NOT a deal-breaker.
Let's hope this come to North America in SOME form. And at a SANE price.
Most people will be doing longer trips in summer, so it won't make a difference
There's heated seats on higher trim models though.
@@lagmonster7789 They made it sound as though they weren’t available.
At last! A proper affordable electric car. This car even looks good too. Great review as always Jack, funny and informative with a great backdrop.
Great Review - they are going to sell shed loads of those...
1:48 This had me rolling.
best thing they could do is get rid of him. Prioritising cybertruck over the entry level hatch/SUV, and putting it out with serious issues but asking 100k USD for it is wildly irresponsible with shareholder money. Continuing to put outessentially unfinished products and asking people to pay top dollar them is so callous.
I have a base model C5 Aircross. Didn't quite have the budget to go electric at the time of buying. I love my car. It's no frills, comfortable and very practical. This eC3 looks brilliant.
This guy is the funniest car reviewer, keep it up!
Here's a question, the entry level model that uses your phone to control things like the radio... Does that mean with that version it would be illegal to change the radio station whilst driving? As you can't operate your phone whilst driving, even though a touchscreen when physically part of the car is fine?
Interesting 🤔
If its in a cradle and that cradle does not obstruct the view out, the law allows you to use it. BUT NEVER PICK IT UP!
Now if they could redo the e-C4 with a proper EV architecture, lower base, no central tunnel, 45-55kWh, 100kW DC charging, 11kW AC, 88kW motor like my Ioniq Electric (0-60 in 8secs, no one needs more than that), heat pump, they’d have a banger!
Aren't you just describing the current e-C4?
@@kosiranze almost. It still has a central tunnel, high base, yet smaller boot and more cramped interior than my Ioniq. The basic motor is 100kW. And despite the 50kWh battery pack, it struggles to really achieve better than 3.8-4 miles/kWh and to reach 200 miles of range. In that respect the Ioniq 38kWh is a much better deal (at least for the UK).
@@Nikoo033 yeah, the packaging of the car is not all that great, I agree.
love how you was rounding up the battery section of the video and theres some lightning in the background 5:21
That storm arrived very shortly after we finished filming. It was BIG
At last the car we've all been asking for! Great review - but absolutrely loved the Elon quip! Great stuff!🤣😂
Dont hold your breath about Elons head,, 😅
Leve the breath holding to Elon.
Don't hold your breath to anything involving Elon.
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Wont be that affordable, tyres cost you 800 quid a set, and need a new chassis every time you run off the road because you had to navigate through 5 pages to turn down the air con or open a window... Buttons ain't cool but they do work Elon. Dang he can't hear me up there.
they have convinced us that a £ 24k car is cheap now. Congratulations everyone, we are all fools.
Who are they?
Our EV was £16k drive away MG4. You guys in the UK have to pay for all the poor governance you’ve had over the last few decades.
Unfortunately £24k post COVID is cheap currently. I know it's nuts.
U can get the dacia spring for £15k.
@@paulb1951test drove the mg4 trophy one year old 11k mileage was on sale £19k.
Where did you get yours?
100% labour/Tories have been shocking in govt.
@@michaelgreen5515 Australia cost brand new base model. We’ve got no tariffs due to our car manufacturing base being destroyed a decade ago.
Citroen are going to sell a lot of these, both EV and ICE. Regards the size I'd say 4m is pretty large for a supermini, thats as long as mk3 golf, let alone a mk1 which was barely 3.7m. for me the wheels are too big, I'd put smaller ones on the top spec immediately
Exactly.
And yet more compact than a modern Polo 🤦💀
In the Indian market just announced a 7 seater Spacetourer
They’re going to do an aircross 7 seater version of this. Not sure if it’ll have a bigger battery but I’d pay an extra couple of can’t to be able to haul a bit more stuff in the back.
4m has been pretty standard for superminis for some time now - since the mid-00s Clios and Puntos.
This has to be one of my favourite car reviews from Fully Charged and the first time Jack has made me genuinely laugh out loud (with his Elon joke).
It’s exactly the kind of car we have been waiting for - affordable small family car and he gets to the stuff that matters straight away - price, range and interior space via the Jack test. (I’m 6”5 myself and have a family of already tall and growing children). Other reviews feel like I’m being dragged along through endless things I don’t care much about until I finally hear the price and range at the end and can firmly dismiss it as an option.
Personally, although £20K is on the cheaper end when you look at the prices of new cars, I’ve never spent that much on a car in my life and always bought second hand and kept the costs well under half that, so it will be a while before these reach the second hand market and become truly affordable to my mind. Still that will happen and I look forward to it finally arriving.
As to any quibbles about what’s on offer in the car itself, as Jack mentions a heat pump is missing. It’s pretty important to have as standard to regulate battery temperature here in the U.K. especially to reduce range loss in cold weather. I have a second hand electric van from Stellantis with a Vauxhall badge on it and the range drops very significantly in winter.
Other than that I’d love to see a long range version that can do around 300-400 miles per charge. I’m in the rare bracket that does regular long journeys of over 300 miles round trip in a day at regular intervals throughout the year and trying it in my van, with a similar WLTP range to this of just under 200miles becomes a bit painful due to having to plan in all the charging stops (and trying to find the cheaper ones!).
I wonder if manufacturers aiming at meeting average needs is going to get us there in the long run. It’s the extremes that people want to know are covered - that family holiday drive down to Cornwall etc. people think about that worse case scenario (even though it only happens once a year) and want something that works for that too, not just their day to day school runs, shops and commutes. I’m willing to put up with the pain points on those long journeys to reduce emissions but I’m not sure most other people are.
It's worth mentioning Jack that the ëC3 in the Indian market just had a 7 seater Spacetourer announced
We already have it in Europe, coming from the same C3 line in Trnava as C3 Aircross, Opel/Vauxhall Frontera.
Watch this space…
Any information about that for Europe?
@@forestrybasics7240 We have it. Just go to Citroën, Vauxhall, Opel websites and search for C3 Aircross and Frontera.
@@forestrybasics7240 The 7-seat long-wheelbase versions are available in Europe as C3 Aircross and Vauxhall/Opel Frontera.
Headlights that are "three sides of a square"? I thnik the phrase you're looking for is C-shape .... you know, C as in Citroen 😆
DAMMIT
Exactly the vehicle I am looking at buying when I move to France. Found it many months ago now and it looked perfect for us.
Thats whats interesting about this new generation, its not about excess but about - Do I really need that much?.
The new generation is not about bigger and more is better, but rather what is effective?, what is appropriate?
Its not about that 20 pound burger that you can eat only half off and toss away the rest, its about an appropriately sized and tasty meal that will fulfill your nourishment needs.
its not about that car that looks like an elephant and can drive up a wall, its about what car do I need to get through my day.
What a fantastic video! Looking to replace the old vauxhall and this car seems to be the best choice. In England, where it takes 5 hours to drive 5 miles, it'll be perfect.
First vid i watched from this channel, love it!
And just between us... 25K isn't cheap!
It is for a car, not so much for a loaf of bread.
as a household, we've never spent more than £10k / $12k on a car. Even at that price, it was a big financial commitment, and we're on decent salaries. Not sure why anyone would want to buy new TBH..
@@decimal1815 It will take years for used cars to trickle down. But I bought a Hertz rental for cheap ($10K) and still running it 8 years later.
No its not....but give it a year or two and the used value will be sub £10k
Exactly. I love driving, but I won't spend 20, 30 or 40k€ on a car.
Up here in Finland you can get one with seated heats and clammy hands but it’ll set you back €29,500 and you have to take the iffy touchscreen. I’ll hang on for the R5 just to see if Renault can pull off something as affordable. Nice little car though!
Could Imogen walk around it please cos it looks like a clown car next to Jack
Ffs
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Roomy - comfy - affordable - simple - well, you can tell it's grandfather was the famous 2CV! ❤ Great review, will buy one!
And LFP battery, so no 80% shenanigans to save it
just a bit less range in winter.. or a lot less depending on how cold it gets
This bloke is always entertaining in an easy-going way.
Cars like this are a, um, good direction for us to go in...
BYD can provide a sub 10k electric car..but with import tax and supply issues why haven't we seen a tidal wave of these efficient cars.. The sweet spot in The UK would probably be around 15k.. We aren't that far away. It Dosnt need whistles and bells.
There's also safety legislation/requirements which drive up the price in Europe, as is the case with the Dacia Spring(Dongfeng K-ZE).
Safety, transport costs and build quality. Like it or not the market here expects higher perceived quality, it’s why brands like Proton, Perodua and FSO never caught on. Also by the time you add on shipping and taxes you’re looking at a £15,000 car which probably has terrible high speed stability.
Proton,and Perdua, far more modern,and better then FSO
You would never get it from that price outside of China is always double that, also 10k back in the day it’s 19k in today money 😂
Great review. Less is more. I want comfort and quiet, not gadgets and beeps. + it’s better fore the environment
Top tip - get a 2 year old Hyundai Ioniq 38 with 3yr warranty for half the price and at least the same range……..it’s more efficient…..cheaper to ‘fuel’.
I understand your point, but I’m going to take a stand here. There wouldn't be any used cars on the market if there were no new cars to begin with. If everyone only bought used cars, eventually, there wouldn't be any used cars left.
Were do you find them for half the price?
According to the WLTP range and battery size, it's barely more efficient, if at all. And at least in my market, I can't find any that are more than a few thousand £ cheaper than a new Citroën. With 30k miles on the clock, 2-3 years less warranty, a little wear here and there, perhaps needs new tyres soon... hardly a no-brainer in my book anyway.
It's a winner! Sensible small, unobtrusive screen and even an option without one! that's amazing.; rear charging port; physical buttons; space to spread your legs. Is there a button to turn off the Lane Nanny?
Like the Elon joke 🙂. Wasn't very keen on the latest Citroen designs but this one is quite refreshing. Edit: could this be the modern version of the 2CV?
As someone who drives a second-hand Smart Fortwo Electric 2015, this sort of feels like what I have, but better. No customization, no tweaking, no big config, nothing revolutionary. Just a car, that works as a car, gets you to your destination and "just works". Part of me really wants to be able to access the Smart's internals because I'm a power user and I'd like to have more control, but... but it works anyway! Definitely sounds like the E-C3 is going to help with better adoption. Maybe it'll come to Canada at one point, and I'll see some on the street. Thanks for this review!
Bezels, haircuts, who doesn't love the '90s?
That’s a 10/10 comment
jack you are on the way to become a standup comedian. love your pointing to the french - made me smile
YOU is 23.300€ but it's too stripped down to be used as the only family car. MAX + options(winter package and 11kW AC) tops at 28.400 €. You get a lot of extra stuff for the money so I say it's worth it.
Here in DK the price difference between the bare bones and highest level spec is a mere 20K DKK(€2667). You'd be crazy to skimp on it with the amount of extra goodies you get, not least the heated seats, wheel & front windscreen, but also tons of driver aids, bigger wheels, fog lights and acoustically insulated windscreen(Maybe the one Jack drove in the video had this, since he mentioned how quiet it was?))
I like that we're making cars taller, from an ergonomics point of view. I wish we weren't making them taller at the grille, from a not killing pedestrians point of view.
Is it wrong that I'd love to see a soft top convertible version?
If the Fiat 500e can...
Hell yeah
It’s always fun to listen to Jack and to see his demonstrations. 😀 - I can’t help but wonder if there’s a car made that he does not like?
Good one Jack!
What a brilliant looking Citroen. This might be a game changer given the styling and price. Ideal for towns and cities. Can't wait to see it in the metal.
perfect cheap grocery and couple car
small family car too..
Thanks for presenting this intersting little new car. Depending on how you define a "family" I still find it quite a stretch to call this car a "family car". When the four of us go camping/tenting (and we don't take more luggage with us than we really need), we fill 800l boot space of a Tesla MS (a Dometic Cooler fills on third already) and also a roof box (filled with tent, sleeping bags etc).
The E-C3 might be a nice second car for doing the groceries and bringing the kids to places, but definitely not more.
And as such, I might consider this as a family backup car indeed (might be we soon need a second car, as the kids grow older and their range of activity extends).
Bravo Citroen!!!
The distributor says this car isn't available to Australia. Jack! (or anyone else at Fully Electric/Fully Charged) Next time you see Citroen people, change their mind, please!
I agree with you, exactly the type of EV we need more of. Australians might be seen as needing space and bigness, but the vast majority of us live in the suburbs of major cities like Melbourne or Sydney
Citroën should seriously consider refilling the shoes of the C-Zero, C1 and C2. No excuses
Given how light the last generation C1 was (around 900kg) i would imagine as EV it won't be more than 1100-1200kg, that thing can be made for 20 000 euros (since you can power it with 28-30KWh battery). Citroen sadly discontinued the C1, only Toyota keeps making the Aygo (C1/Aygo/107 are on the same platform).
@@ristekostadinov2820Fleeting profit margins against inflation in a socio-economic time of record wealth inequality meant that selling a minimum of 150,000 C1/108/Aygos was not as lucrative or reliable as large, pluses out crossovers.
Toyota replaced it with the AygoX. A demonstrably cynical and overpriced crossover replacement, with not even a hybrid option
Thanks. Fantastic that theres finally beginning to come out some smaller more sustainable electric cars
Was the Renault Zoë not a small, cheap and French electric car? 🤔
slow charging, rather tight inside, not so affordable. A generation or two earlier, development-wise.
@@martian9999but it had a universal 22kW 3 phase charger which is so terribly underrated
I love your perspective on this car. Nice looking, basic transportation, with comfort, great value.
Quite spoiled, the young man.
Honestly: at the age of almost 60, driving for more than 40 years by now, I *never f*ing ever* missed heated seats or even worse, a heated steering wheel. 😂😂😂
You will when putting the heater on loses you 10% of your range.
With evs you save more on driving range by using them and keeping the cabin heat at a lower setting. But yeah- if it's cold, dress warmer 😂
Place heating mats on the seats, possibly supplied via an extra LFP battery, and everything is ok and the back pain disappears...
I tend to find heated seats too hot. Heated steering wheel is lovely in winter as hands always take longer to warm up even in a warm cabin.
I am so glad that Europe is starting summer. The sunlight itself is exciting.
I've never had a car with heated seats or a heated steering wheel... Cars are warm enough with a simple heater as far as I'm concerned.
Missing the point, in an EV heating the cabin eats into your range. Heated seats/steering wheel warms the person for a lot less energy consumption.
@@2011ppower You can preheat on the driveway though.
@@MuppetkeeperOh sweet summer child. Winter is coming.
I really hope they will have a heat pump for the Nordics and other really cold places since the battery is sort of small (which is good)
Heated steering wheel and seat is definitely not required
For 22k you can buy a used top of the range kia niro 64kwh with 5 years warranty remaining.
The Citroen will be a used hero.
Looking forward to seeing these around loads. Great fun and informative review Jack!
I laughed OUT LOUD at Jack's Elon comment, CLASSIC!
It looks like my glb , i really like it, i would buy one
Make it smaller and less crossover-esque, then i'll consider it
Great review Jack, an affordable EV car at last,Citroen has always had a certain way in building cars, Unique you might say, even when they use to be available back in the Day in Canada, it would definitely need a heat pump and heated seats and heated steering wheel here in Canada for our winters, it would cut into range sure , most people would get buy it , I drive 80kms/day for work and the speed on my route averages 95kph with traffic so it is just fine, The E-C3 would work out to $38,500.00 which is good and in the province i live in we get $4000 rebate and the federal rebate $5000 would bring this car under $30,000 WOOHOO, ti would be the biggest winning Canada automotive wise since before Covid and make it affordable for I would say million Canadians, that is a win in every direction, meaning most owners would charge once a week or less, we have a large percentage of drivers that only drive 50-75 miles/weekly or less ,it would be good to see Citroen back in Canada , it is a cool little cart needs a heat pump for Canadian market 👍
Not funny. Just do a review
Love it! Simple, small and lightweight is fantastique!
with subsidy in NL: € 21340
In Denmark(no subsidy): 180K DKK(lowest trim) / ~€24,1K.
Highest trim level is 200K DKK / €26,7K (Above one reviewed in this video as it has heated seats/wheel/windscreen etc)
good price!
A question: how long must one keep a car to prevent losing the subsidy?
I imagine a Dutch one-year old e-C3 would be very attractive to German buyers (who get no subsidy).
2 years in Spain, if I remember correctly 😉
There are a quite a few pre reg E208's from Arnold Clark for less than 20k and in allure trim, which would you prefer?
If he can get his head out of it first…
Mouth over fist
He's a huge guy. I missed the dimensions for height....
@@jamesvandamme7786 It was a reference to the joke at 1:48
From launch I believe UK cars (Plus and Max trim levels) both get the 10" screen whilst top-spec Max cars get heated seats and steering wheel. Pricing-wise it's similar to a petrol Skoda Fabia, Hyundai i20 or hybrid Renault Clio. This isn't being aimed at people who might otherwise get something larger and older.
As a Tesla owner I completely agree with Jack's assessment of Elon Musk 🤣
When I had Citroen Xsara, £10 got me to Skegness from Derby, 100 miles away. Citroen like fuel economy
Points for the Elon joke. 👍 😆
Really looking forward to the new electric Panda (also from Stellantis) - this gives me some hope! I'll need a replacement for my ancient 2008 Panda Cross - ideally in a nice eye catching colour.
Not convinced £22k is "genuinely affordable" to the majority of the population.
The majority of the population dont buy new cars
@@Pcoakaloid ...because they're not genuinely affordable. Seeing overpriced supposedly entry-level vehicles marketed as "cheap" and "genuinely affordable" is disingenuous at best.
@philthewriter Have you seen the price of new cars nowadays? There aren't many for less than 22k. Its not a pushbike substitute.
Wait for chinese electric cars. EU wants to put extra import taxes on chinese manufacturers. If China didnt create alternative citroen and other european brands would still try to charge over 30k for these shitboxes
How is 25 K.USD cheap ?
Cheap is like ,6-7K.
Great car... And even the somewhat average range fits in well with what's going on in France charging wise : new charging stations fast and slow are popping up everywhere. Last time I went from Paris to Montpellier I counted 37 fast charging stations, that's one every 13 miles! About half of the motorway service stations have electric charging stations with the other half being equipped in the coming two years. Supermarkets are getting into the business too with Lidl even offering budget fast chargers!
Its another stupid clickbait thumbnail which does not help people who are not on board with ev cars....showing £100 this will never be even below 200 on finance or lease.
No one is denying electric cars are expensive (but also modern ice cars are a lot more expensive than they were 10 years ago) but as Jack pointed out the entry level prices are coming down (slowly)
In France this car will be €100 a month on a gov't sponsored lease scheme for those who qualify (low income, can't use public transport to get to work which is more than 18 km away)
Will need to check out the interior package: I had a Cactus and the seating position / pedals was like torture after an hour...hopefully this is improved