I started watching your channel primarily for the Suzuki 800DE content. However, your reviews on other products are also excellent and as good as any channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work.
When you mentioned MT Glorious , it brought back a time in 1978 riding my Honda 750 ( And scraping the pegs , shit suspension ) . Now I'm on a Himalayan and waiting to fit the Dualventure for a test run . Thanks for the info and review . Can't keep up with you young lads anymore , but still get the same thrill riding as I did many years ago . Cheers .
I have a very similar setup on my T7 - Dualventure in the front, and Adventure in the rear, both tubeless-type but run with tubes. I got a puncture on day on the rear and after the tire warms up a bit from either the sun or being on the road, it really softens up quite a bit which allows for much easier removal and installation.
Does the Dualventure give you confidence in the front not tucking on loose surface , I'm currently running Anakee wild front and Rallz rear, I just never fully trust the front on my T7, the Anakee is great road tyre but I just want a bit more bite offroad.
Enjoy the performance of these great tires. Be ready to flip the front every 2000kms or they scallop as bad as the Pirellis. Best mileage I’ve had of any tire in that class. Enjoying your videos!
I absolutely love the Motoz Dual Venture TT tyre. I have done about 12000Km on one front tyre (reversed it on the rim at 8000) and on my third rear tyre. Rode it on probably 1 third tar to 2 thirds dirt (all types). Will buy it again. 2021 CRF300 Rally 👍
@@onthebackwheel yes very happy in all conditions and terrain. I run about 22 front and 20 rear. I wish I could post a pick of it on here because the TT ie tubed version is far more aggressive than the tubeless version. The rear tyres I have run with it are the Pirelli MT21, Dunlop D603, and just finishing with a Maxxis M6006 (all 120/80-18). I will probably go with a new set of the Motoz DV TT front again and another Dunlop D603.
I had DualVenture and Rallz rear both tube type on my KLR 650. The Rally is load but works great. With the DualVenture I get head shake/ speed wobble above 65/70 mph. I changed the rear and the wobble was still there. I changed the front and the wobble was gone. I used the set in a mostly dirt trip and they worked great. But for every day riding I had to replace the front after 900 miles. I live in west Texas and everything is really spread out and all roads have a 75 mph speed limit. Probably just acKLR thing. The Rallz rear is about done. Close to 4000 miles on it I think. Thanks for the videos!
@@onthebackwheel thats great news i want the same front tyre but have been put off by others about buying the tube version over tubeless but its a lot cheaper and so long as its as good and no down sides then thats perfect ! Mine is going on a T7 Yam with a Motoz Adventure on the back 👍
I have the tubeless rallz front and rear. They started their life on a tiger 1200 rally explorer then onto a 901 expedition. The rear has done 12,000kms of being really flogged… now only about 3mm in the centre. The front is pretty good, personally I never break hard on bitumen as I ride VERY conservatively on-road. They could get another 10-12,000 out of the front and be “legal” but I am in the habit of just swapping both when I do the rear. Will keep one 1/2 worn front around just in case one day I get a damaged front mid rear wear cycle.
I have the Rallz on the front tire of my Africa Twin, it has since they were installed wanted to get into a fish tail semi-tank slap motion at any speed above 70mph on the tarmac. I don’t recommend the rallz on the front however, on the back I enjoy it.
Very good review I’ll remember that combo for my next tyres, much appreciated thanks- loved the Cockatoo!🤣 Must get back to Oz one day for some serious off roading.👍
Thats Great to hear..looking forward to see mileage you get.. im actually considering the standard adventure rear and the tubeless front as i dont ride as aggressive off road as you...cheers mate
@@onthebackwheel I am in the US and 90% of the forest roads are pretty well maintained.. and I have my wr250r for single track stuff.. I have the motoz enduro IT tires on it
Thanks for another well crafted vid. Ive just bought a Vstrom 800 in Brisbane. Was going to freight it to home base in Cairns but decided to send it to Darwin to start a WA loop, then back to Cairns. Im planning to spend a lot of time on desert tracks, Gunbarrel etc. Do you reckon this tyre set, in the vid, would be best choice? Cheers.
Any thoughts on fitting tyre locks onto the rims? The thought occurred to me recently, as I'll be using it in sand a fair bit in the desert & Cape York. Vstrom torque with a semi deflated tyre - I'd hate to spin the rim & destroy tyre, especially out remote. @@onthebackwheel
@@Gusto0172 I wouldn't bother. You want to keep your pressures up a little because of the weight. You can certainly drop them a bit but not too far unless you're in trouble
I'm looking for TL tires for Baja (Tuareg). I think you mentioned the Scorpion Rally. How do the Rally's compare to the Dual Adventure on/off road? Really appreciate the channel btw. Loved how you bashed the Tuareg around.
You'd have to throw a tube in the scorpion rally race front. If you didn't want tubes I'd go the dualventure tubeless front and Rallz rear. Loved the Tuareg, looking forward to owning one eventually
Hey Curtis, great overview of the two tyres. 👍 On your recommendation, I will give the dual venture a shot. (New bike day a couple of days ago). I had already decided upon the RallZ for the rear, and I was seriously considering a Goldentyre823 front, though a few reviewers criticised it for a fast wear rate. Five months on from this vid, how has the dual venture held up?
Mate it's held up well, very happy. Maybe next time I'd go the tubeless instead of tube type because I don't need one this aggressive, but it performs great in the dirt
The tubeless front is pretty different. One less layer of ply, smaller spacing, thinner width. Basically a bit better off-road. The rear varies a bit too
@onthebackwheel hey Curtis, now you have had it on the front a while would you choose to go tt again or tl ? I have a T7 and have the Adventure going on the back so have been looking at this for the front but trying to decide between tt or tl …..🤷♀️🤷♀️
Good question. For the riding I've been doing and now I've got a dirt bike, probably TL. In saying that, I'm extremely happy with the front in all but wet road conditions
@@onthebackwheel excellent ! I tried the TL but found the grip off road to be a little vague so im going to try the TT instead, are you running std tubes or HD’s ?
actually y use Heidenau K60 Scout on my Tiger 900 RP. Need to change after 10k Kilometers. Thinking about Motoz Rallz or Heidenau K60 Ranger. Need something for that mud on the tracks uphill in forests...
What pressures do you usually run Curtis? I just picked up my 800 DE this last week and had my first off yesterday on a baked clay rut but overgrown with slippery dry grass, and snapped the tip of the front brake lever off too 😅 dropped the stock tyres from standard pressures to around 26psi front and rear, but yet to try them out off road. Will get a new set once the stock tyres have some wear on them so I don’t piss the missus off too much by throwing more cash at the new bike 😢
Haha thats it. I was running about 30/30 off-road on the stock ones. Didn't make a huge difference off-road if I'm honest, its just how they are unfortunately
Do you think they would be good tires for long road trips? Looking around for tires that can handle on and offroad. Especially since any off roading location is 1h 45mins away or more from me.
So Curtis, are you saying that you didn't choose the Tractionator front cos it would be pretty much like getting another Pirelli Rally and that was not suited to your riding needs atm? (in other words, you do not have any bad reports about them as a front tyre(?)....I am about to chuck my OEM Pirellis (on my Tuareg) and have just discovered that I can get Motoz here in Croatia....awesome!! So, altho I am yet to get out and about much just yet, I have already come across some seriously rocky terrain (like high country victoria) and slippery stuff, so I think I will go with the tubeless Tractionater tyres (RallZ). The Tuareg is also my first tubeless tyred dirt bike, so it will be interesting to see what works in tyre pressures too. So far I tried 21psi to good effect with the Pirellis....but tubeless offf-road is new to me....makes me a little cautious... 😀
Hey mate. No I chose it because of the opposite. The Pirelli Rally Race mst (not your own STR BTW) is a fantastic tyre, just a little aggressive. The tubeless dualventure front would be perfect for the Tuareg, same with the Rallz rear
@@onthebackwheel rallz rear is about 280-290 euro and DV front is about 160ish in the Netherlands/Belgium for tubeless, thinking of getting a set too for my tuareg, or maybe some trailmax raid 50/50 from dunlop
@@onthebackwheel depends on which tires you want i guess, i think the motoz are on the pricier side, the pirelly scorpion rally front you had is 123 here and the rear is 146 in euros
You're really putting those wheels to the test. Also have to mention the phone mount lol You really need a RAM Quick Grip phone mount. It's wireless charging 15w and waterproof, so it will last through some abuse and tidy up those wires dangling out of the side lol
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I started watching your channel primarily for the Suzuki 800DE content. However, your reviews on other products are also excellent and as good as any channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate, it's what I enjoy doing most
+1 same
When you mentioned MT Glorious , it brought back a time in 1978 riding my Honda 750 ( And scraping the pegs , shit suspension ) . Now I'm on a Himalayan and waiting to fit the Dualventure for a test run . Thanks for the info and review . Can't keep up with you young lads anymore , but still get the same thrill riding as I did many years ago . Cheers .
Now that sounds like a good time, probably less enforcement then too
Gr8 review, cheers. Looking forward to seeing the long term, rain and mud review down the line.
Have fun, ride safe 🤘
Thanks mate. Looking forward to hitting the trails some more
I like the dv tubeless on the front.
It’s very versatile.
I’m running a tractionator gps on the rear.
A good combo.
Good to know. I think I'll run the tubeless next time, the tube type is probably overkill
@@onthebackwheel it’s a good option.
I’ve been looking at that combo for my Norden great to know it good combo
I have a very similar setup on my T7 - Dualventure in the front, and Adventure in the rear, both tubeless-type but run with tubes. I got a puncture on day on the rear and after the tire warms up a bit from either the sun or being on the road, it really softens up quite a bit which allows for much easier removal and installation.
That's unlucky mate, flats suck
What is this combo like in the wet please? Do they slip on wet roads?
@@holden3083 a little, not too bad though I find
Does the Dualventure give you confidence in the front not tucking on loose surface , I'm currently running Anakee wild front and Rallz rear, I just never fully trust the front on my T7, the Anakee is great road tyre but I just want a bit more bite offroad.
Enjoy the performance of these great tires. Be ready to flip the front every 2000kms or they scallop as bad as the Pirellis. Best mileage I’ve had of any tire in that class. Enjoying your videos!
Goodness I hope not, can't stand changing tyres
I absolutely love the Motoz Dual Venture TT tyre. I have done about 12000Km on one front tyre (reversed it on the rim at 8000) and on my third rear tyre. Rode it on probably 1 third tar to 2 thirds dirt (all types). Will buy it again. 2021 CRF300 Rally 👍
That's some great mileage. Were you happy with the performance the whole way through?
@@onthebackwheel yes very happy in all conditions and terrain. I run about 22 front and 20 rear. I wish I could post a pick of it on here because the TT ie tubed version is far more aggressive than the tubeless version. The rear tyres I have run with it are the Pirelli MT21, Dunlop D603, and just finishing with a Maxxis M6006 (all 120/80-18). I will probably go with a new set of the Motoz DV TT front again and another Dunlop D603.
@@onthebackwheel Sorry, I have done 10,000km and expect to drag it out and change it at 12,000km.
@@malybullg nice mate. I'm very happy with mine too and it's on a 230kg bike let alone the rally
I had DualVenture and Rallz rear both tube type on my KLR 650. The Rally is load but works great. With the DualVenture I get head shake/ speed wobble above 65/70 mph. I changed the rear and the wobble was still there. I changed the front and the wobble was gone. I used the set in a mostly dirt trip and they worked great. But for every day riding I had to replace the front after 900 miles. I live in west Texas and everything is really spread out and all roads have a 75 mph speed limit. Probably just acKLR thing. The Rallz rear is about done. Close to 4000 miles on it I think. Thanks for the videos!
The sucks mate. Was it the tube type on the front?
I have the same setting and also get the speed wobble (Ktm 890 adventure). What tire did you put in the front?
Same bad headshake on the 890r with the dual venture
Was this the tubbed or tubeless ?
Very few reviews out there on the Tube Less Front tire you reviewed so thanks. I appreciate this review because I just bought the same front tire.
No worries. Just an update, done about 2500-3000km, performing as new and still in great condition
@@onthebackwheel Thanks for the further info on this tire!
@@onthebackwheel thats great news i want the same front tyre but have been put off by others about buying the tube version over tubeless but its a lot cheaper and so long as its as good and no down sides then thats perfect ! Mine is going on a T7 Yam with a Motoz Adventure on the back 👍
I have the tubeless rallz front and rear. They started their life on a tiger 1200 rally explorer then onto a 901 expedition. The rear has done 12,000kms of being really flogged… now only about 3mm in the centre. The front is pretty good, personally I never break hard on bitumen as I ride VERY conservatively on-road. They could get another 10-12,000 out of the front and be “legal” but I am in the habit of just swapping both when I do the rear. Will keep one 1/2 worn front around just in case one day I get a damaged front mid rear wear cycle.
That's some amazing mileage mate
@@onthebackwheel Oh, I only commute 30 mins to work one day a week on the bikes, rest of the time on road is just riding to dirt.
I have the Rallz on the front tire of my Africa Twin, it has since they were installed wanted to get into a fish tail semi-tank slap motion at any speed above 70mph on the tarmac. I don’t recommend the rallz on the front however, on the back I enjoy it.
I don't think you're alone with the front mate
Very good review I’ll remember that combo for my next tyres, much appreciated thanks- loved the Cockatoo!🤣 Must get back to Oz one day for some serious off roading.👍
Haha our yard has a flock of cockatoos so I have to be very wary of when I record
Thats Great to hear..looking forward to see mileage you get.. im actually considering the standard adventure rear and the tubeless front as i dont ride as aggressive off road as you...cheers mate
That'd be a good combo. Few mates who mainly do commuting have that set up
@@onthebackwheel I am in the US and 90% of the forest roads are pretty well maintained.. and I have my wr250r for single track stuff.. I have the motoz enduro IT tires on it
@@gabrielkopp2036 I didn't mind the Enduro front, haven't tried the rear. Do you like it?
@@onthebackwheel it's very impressive ..great in sand mud and rocks great traction..when it wears out I will get another one..
@@gabrielkopp2036 nice, when I get my enduro bike i might try them
Cheers, got the same set going on my Transalp this week,just confirmed my decision,thanks for the review .🍺👍🇦🇺
No worries. Did you go with the tubeless or TT front?
@@onthebackwheel ,tube ultra heavy on rear,tubeless on front with ultra heavy tube,all good with changing flats ,hope not often but😂😂,cheers🍺👍🇦🇺
@@danielhill136 mate you'll be unlucky to do a flat on that! Is the transalp tubeless?
@@onthebackwheel no comes out tube tyres which I’m happy with,it’s what I’m use too,just got back into bikes after 10 years absence 👍
@@danielhill136 nice mate, enjoy. Hope she treats you well
Thanks for another well crafted vid. Ive just bought a Vstrom 800 in Brisbane. Was going to freight it to home base in Cairns but decided to send it to Darwin to start a WA loop, then back to Cairns. Im planning to spend a lot of time on desert tracks, Gunbarrel etc. Do you reckon this tyre set, in the vid, would be best choice? Cheers.
Mate depends how many kms you're going to do. Could be worth putting the tube type front on if you're doing big kms
Thanks for the tip, yeh, that would certainly add a bit of longevity to the rubber. Cheers.@@onthebackwheel
Any thoughts on fitting tyre locks onto the rims? The thought occurred to me recently, as I'll be using it in sand a fair bit in the desert & Cape York. Vstrom torque with a semi deflated tyre - I'd hate to spin the rim & destroy tyre, especially out remote.
@@onthebackwheel
@@Gusto0172 I wouldn't bother. You want to keep your pressures up a little because of the weight. You can certainly drop them a bit but not too far unless you're in trouble
Nice work, Curtis.
Took the big pig V-strom 1050 up to Noojee here in Victoria over the weekend.
Go well dude.
Never heard of it, good riding?
@@onthebackwheel Yeah mate - great region for moto. If you're ever down in Vic I highly recommend you check it out.
I'm looking for TL tires for Baja (Tuareg). I think you mentioned the Scorpion Rally. How do the Rally's compare to the Dual Adventure on/off road? Really appreciate the channel btw. Loved how you bashed the Tuareg around.
You'd have to throw a tube in the scorpion rally race front. If you didn't want tubes I'd go the dualventure tubeless front and Rallz rear. Loved the Tuareg, looking forward to owning one eventually
Hey Curtis, nice job! But why the nornal shorts? I hope you didn't let haters affect your casual style 😎
Thanks mate. The pants will be back, this is just what was clean!
Hey Curtis, great overview of the two tyres. 👍 On your recommendation, I will give the dual venture a shot. (New bike day a couple of days ago). I had already decided upon the RallZ for the rear, and I was seriously considering a Goldentyre823 front, though a few reviewers criticised it for a fast wear rate.
Five months on from this vid, how has the dual venture held up?
Mate it's held up well, very happy. Maybe next time I'd go the tubeless instead of tube type because I don't need one this aggressive, but it performs great in the dirt
Your channel is awesome!
Thanks mate
I have the same set on my KLR gen 3 and very happy with it except the price😅. I turn the front after 1000 miles .
Expensive where you are hey?
@@onthebackwheel in US but 320$ for 2 tires, it’s a lot.
@@FrancoisTX1974 very similar to here. That's the price of all the similar tires too sadly
👍. What are they like in the wet please?
Not too bad, the rear gets a bit slippery
Would love to hear you update on this tire combination.
Very happy. Performance off road is top notch, on road solid as. The only things I don't like are the average wet road performance and they are noisy
Crazy man Curtis, so these tyres are for tubeless rims? What is the difference between tubed tyres 🤔
The tubeless front is pretty different. One less layer of ply, smaller spacing, thinner width. Basically a bit better off-road. The rear varies a bit too
@onthebackwheel hey Curtis, now you have had it on the front a while would you choose to go tt again or tl ?
I have a T7 and have the Adventure going on the back so have been looking at this for the front but trying to decide between tt or tl …..🤷♀️🤷♀️
Good question. For the riding I've been doing and now I've got a dirt bike, probably TL. In saying that, I'm extremely happy with the front in all but wet road conditions
@@onthebackwheel excellent ! I tried the TL but found the grip off road to be a little vague so im going to try the TT instead, are you running std tubes or HD’s ?
@@motoboggle7525 just standard tubes. It's very good off-road for a hard wearing adv tyre. Pretty happy tbh
@@onthebackwheel brilliant and what pressure are you running up front ?
@@motoboggle7525 30psi pretty well everywhere. If I'm doing a lots of off-road or road I'll raise or lower it slightly, but pretty much don't touch it
Hi Curtis. Do you know if TL tire can be used on rear with these rim in 800de or it must be tube type tire only? Many thanks.
Hi mate, you need to use the TL tyre and put a tube in, that's what mine is
Yes, have same model. Thanks for help.
Knew you'd like 'em! Now that you have had a serve of magic pudding, there is no going back!
Magic pudding hey? 😆
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I am curious. Did you put a stiffer spring on the rear shock? If so, what is your weight and what spring did you install?
No I haven't, but I need to and in the front. I'm 90 kg
actually y use Heidenau K60 Scout on my Tiger 900 RP. Need to change after 10k Kilometers. Thinking about Motoz Rallz or Heidenau K60 Ranger. Need something for that mud on the tracks uphill in forests...
They are a good thing the Rallz. Definitely recommend it with the dualventure front or Pirelli
Love my k60 Ranger on my 701 and AT but they where normal like 3.500-4000km with agressive riding dirt and road.
Good review my man.
Thanks mate
What pressures do you usually run Curtis? I just picked up my 800 DE this last week and had my first off yesterday on a baked clay rut but overgrown with slippery dry grass, and snapped the tip of the front brake lever off too 😅 dropped the stock tyres from standard pressures to around 26psi front and rear, but yet to try them out off road. Will get a new set once the stock tyres have some wear on them so I don’t piss the missus off too much by throwing more cash at the new bike 😢
Haha thats it. I was running about 30/30 off-road on the stock ones. Didn't make a huge difference off-road if I'm honest, its just how they are unfortunately
Great vid! Probably blur out the speed though bro haha. Cheers
Cheers mate. Let's say it was a private road 😉
Do you think they would be good tires for long road trips? Looking around for tires that can handle on and offroad. Especially since any off roading location is 1h 45mins away or more from me.
I think the tubeless dualventure front would be good, but I'd go for the adventure rear instead
@@onthebackwheel Thanks!
Looks like you have given them a work-out already.
Was a good one, never enough though
what is the exact size of the tire you put on back. is it still the Tube type?
150/70/17. It's tubeless, but you just throw a tube in if you need
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So Curtis, are you saying that you didn't choose the Tractionator front cos it would be pretty much like getting another Pirelli Rally and that was not suited to your riding needs atm? (in other words, you do not have any bad reports about them as a front tyre(?)....I am about to chuck my OEM Pirellis (on my Tuareg) and have just discovered that I can get Motoz here in Croatia....awesome!! So, altho I am yet to get out and about much just yet, I have already come across some seriously rocky terrain (like high country victoria) and slippery stuff, so I think I will go with the tubeless Tractionater tyres (RallZ). The Tuareg is also my first tubeless tyred dirt bike, so it will be interesting to see what works in tyre pressures too. So far I tried 21psi to good effect with the Pirellis....but tubeless offf-road is new to me....makes me a little cautious... 😀
Hey mate. No I chose it because of the opposite. The Pirelli Rally Race mst (not your own STR BTW) is a fantastic tyre, just a little aggressive. The tubeless dualventure front would be perfect for the Tuareg, same with the Rallz rear
ah, cheers mate!@@onthebackwheel
You made that super steep hill easily. That would sell me.
They seem to hook up good hey
Why are tyres so expensive in Oz ? They are about half the price in Europe. Must be the little island status.
Goodness that's cheap. How much for an equivalent set?
@@onthebackwheel rallz rear is about 280-290 euro and DV front is about 160ish in the Netherlands/Belgium for tubeless, thinking of getting a set too for my tuareg, or maybe some trailmax raid 50/50 from dunlop
@@Brannypoo ok so not much more than here, probably more with the conversion. Is that pretty standard for tyre prices?
@@onthebackwheel depends on which tires you want i guess, i think the motoz are on the pricier side, the pirelly scorpion rally front you had is 123 here and the rear is 146 in euros
You're really putting those wheels to the test. Also have to mention the phone mount lol You really need a RAM Quick Grip phone mount. It's wireless charging 15w and waterproof, so it will last through some abuse and tidy up those wires dangling out of the side lol
I've got to see what the go is with this one first. Had good luck with Quad Lock in the past, but this one is a dud!
its fkn 'zed' in Oz mate
Fair enough