Brian Herbert is like the antithesis of Christopher Tolkien, however, it should be noted that Christopher Tolkien never co-authored under his father's name, but rather edited his father's unfinished works starting with The Silmarillion in 1977, four years after his father's death, hence why he's credited as editor on Tolkien's posthumously published works.
I personally like the expanded dune novels. Idk, I’m reading all the books in chronological order, and I’ve enjoyed them. Yeah it doesn’t read like Frank, but it does kinda stay consistent with the canon.
The road to dune book put out by Brian feels very much like the history of Middle earth series, where it takes drafts and notes to provide a fuller understanding of the author. I personally enjoy it
@@tgiacin435 How is it in line with the Dune canon? Brian Herbert has contradicted dozens of aspects that were present in the Dune saga. Like: Dune stated that Paul never left Caladan until his father was offered the fiefdom of Arrakis, the BHKJA novels stated that Paul worked in a circus on Ix.
@@thecyberpirate4055 You know history and religion are manipulated right? I’ve read all the book from start to end and they remain consistent. And remember, even in messiah, they referenced that maybe Irulan isn’t a reliable narrator in the books she wrote. Hell do you really think a star exploded near Caladan because Duke Leto died?
@@tgiacin435 He’s contradicted more aspects in books that weren’t narrated by Irulan. If Caladan’s star really did explode, the planet wouldn’t have been habitable for Count Fenring to take the fiefdom of in absentia. Or when Jessica returned to live in Caladan before the events of Children of Dune. Brian Herbert exploited her lying so he could rewrite and milk the Herbert estate.
The best way I have heard the Brian Herbert books described is as fan fiction. They do read like fan fiction, even if officially authorized by the estate of Frank, which is of course not Frank himself.
YES!!! Exactly, fanfiction! Brian's a total hack. The only ones of his books that I kind of enjoyed were the the ones set during the Butlerian Jihad probably because they're set during a time when our familiar characters aren't in it.
Personally I take the expanded books as canon. Reading the books in chronological order feels consistent for me. Idk, I never expect it to be like Frank, just more like exploring the world
@@tgiacin435 The writers of the expanded universe books appreciate your take (as they take your money). Others are free just as much to be less impressed. Really, anyone can use whatever rationale to classify and declassify. A majority or minority opinion does not have to be "right" on an individual level.
@@tgiacin435 Oh, I get that you were just sharing your opinion, and you get to have it no matter what others may say about it. You can gauge by reactions the popularity of the opinion, but an opinion or a matter of taste does not need to be popular. It just needs to be genuinely your own opinion.
Holy cow. I read House Atreides and do on in high school and hated how they felt. It didn't feel like Frank and now it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for making this video.
I know they other books don’t read like Frank, but I like the world building, and a different lens to see that universe. Idk, maybe because I like Star Wars, I didn’t mind the other ones that much.
Just want to point out, that Messiah and Children have also been adapted into a miniseries. It's called "Children of Dune". Part 1/3 is an adaptaion of Messiah and parts 2&3 are Children of Dune. It's surprisingly well done.
As someone with a grandfather who was a well published and celebrated author, I understand the challenge involved in wanting to continue a deceased family member’s legacy for a new generation but what Brian did sounds absolutely horrible. There’s nothing wrong with continuing to build new stories in the same universe but putting out clearly defiant pieces of work trying to cash grab is a whole different store
I'm a big Dune Fan since 1980 and I've only read the first six books (the one's Frank wrote) and it's a complete work as far as I'm concerned. Matter of fact Dinadan is correct, you could stop at book 4 and it would feel complete as well.
I like dreamer of dune for the insight on Frank's everyday life but I pretty much refuse to read anything else by Brian. The six dune books by Frank are some of the greatest I've ever read and I don't want to taint my appreciation for that universe by indulging in fan fiction
You won't believe... how much of my burden you've just resolved... I was so confused about these dune books.... bit now everything is clear.... thanks buddy....
Thats exactly the video i needed. I saw the movie already a few days ago and now i want to read the books, looks like i will start with the first three books and decide later if i should read more. Great video as always.
There are 6 books in the Dune saga writtem by Frank, and God Emperor is the turning point for the series. Many love it, some hate it and never read past it. I personally couldn't recommend it stronger. The first 3 books are sort of trilogy (even were once released in one giant hardbound brick :D), then God Emperor comes in and changes EVERYTHING. The style and tone change significantly. It's different than the first trilogy, and different to the final two books. I think Frank meant to write two trilogies, with God Emperor wedged in between, but sadly we only got 2/3 books in the second trilogy. As for what his son wrote, I appreciate the effort to continue, but ultimately it was a failure and it's best to stop at Chapterhouse. The ending leaves many things unanswered, but at the same time the story presented in 6 books is already so rich and massive, that it doesn't need an ending imho. I read these books so many times, and when I heard new movie will be made I was so sceptical, even though I love Villeneuve. There are some things I would change, and I think three parts would be better for the first book, but all in all - the movie is awesome.
Thank you! I read Brian's and Kevin's first few books because..well I was bored, but also curiosity's sake. Totally not worth the time. I never ever recommend their attempts at writing and always tell people to just read the the original Frank Herbert six. I couldn't take anything they wrote about remotely seriously, especially after Brian disavowed the Encyclopedia.
Thank you for this video. It is very helpful and confirms my suspicion of Brain Herbert's exploitation of his father's legacy. I have The Dune Encyclopedia, cherish it, and consider it better than anything Brian and Kevin can ever produce.
I've enjoyed both films. Lynch's Dune has some memorable moments, and the soundtrack is outstanding. Villeneuve's Dune is simply stunning. I've now set myself the challenge of reading the first four book, up to and including God Emperor, which for me, seems a reasonable place to stop. Ultimately, when a story is so vast in scope as Dune, it never really ends, but I have little interest in a lifetime commitment to a story that will never be resolved...
I mean if you're going to god emperor might as well finish off the original frank Hubert 6, and if you really really want to finish the series after the cliffhanger on 6 just read book 7 be mildly disappointed but be glad of the 6 that came before. That's literally the worst that can happen
God Emperor is the best, but books 5 and 6 are also great, highly recommend going for all 6. I would say the 4/5/6 are overall better than 1/2/3, but at the same time these books are soooo different, God Emperor really changed the tone of the series :)
just looking at the wikipedia page for the book series I could tell something was up then this was the first youtube video I watched to try and find out and you perfectly explained/confirmed my every suspicion, well done
I agree with your assessment of the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson books. For me, the only ones that matter are the original six; the rest fall far short of Frank's vision.
I felt the same until I read the first book by he and Anderson, "House Atreides" and I thought it was garbage. There's a reason Brian is riding the coattails of his Dad. Hope you have a more enjoyable experience - Good Luck!
Yes bro I agree in my head canon there's only the 6 original novels by Frank Herbert as well as his Eye which I do own got a copy and The Dune Encyclopaedia also own. I love dune n it's world. All that's missing is the dune illustrated one day I'll find a copy one day lol
@@quasi-intellecual3790 in Eye by Frank Herbert it's the last book it has a road to dune but it's different. I just don't buy anything by Brian Herbert but yeah that's all I got
I’m on the fence with expanded dune books. I like having the world building, but I would rather see Dune 7, and what Frank would call canon. But I can’t deny the stuff about Brian Herbert’s books is shady
Awesome. I just saw the movie and I have always wanted to read the book(s)... I went on Amazon and they had a 6 book series. I had no idea what they were. seems like that's what you're covering in the 1st part of the video.
I'm obsessed with the works of Tolkien. Recently began Dune, and it is depressing how unlike Christopher Tolkien Brian Herbert is. Christopher really treated his father's legacy with the respect it deserves. I'll gladly read the 6 Dune books, but I won't be reading any of the others.
I agree! Frank Herbert's original books, and "The Dune Encyclopedia" are the only ones worth reading. The ones by Brian & Kevin read like children's books, or bad fan-fiction compared to Frank's writing, imo.
Read Books 1-6 and the Dune Encyclopedia, that's it. Normalize outing Brian Herbert as a coat-tail rider and let this be a lesson on nepotism Edit: I don't believe Road to Dune contains any of Frank's actual notes, distorted and contorted by Brian and KJA, no doubt, but I wanna read that floppy disk if it's even real
Yes. Imho, books 1-3 are amazing. Book 4 is my favorite, and in my top 5 fav books period. Some people stop after 3 or 4 and are happy with that being the ending. Books 5 and 6 present some interesting ideas and give even more if that sweet, sweet FH writing style, so you'll probably like them too if you've liked his stuff so far. Book 6 ends on an excruciating cliffhanger, but given why book 7 was never finished, I was content with that being the ending before the new books started coming out. If you ever really want to read the "finish" (books "7" and "8" by BH/KJA), they're...an ending? Not "bleach my brain" bad or anything, but not very good. (Kinda spoilers ahead?) Mainly know, BH/KJA retcon the last 10ish pages of books 6, and you'll need to read one of their prequel trilogies (the Legends/Jihad trilogy) to understand some of what's going on in books 7-8. Hope that helps.
@@shadowdemon2272books 5 and 6 feel already something else for me, like the BH's books. More so when the 6th book has no ending attaching it to the rest of the story... The concept of "Honored Mattes" and Tleilaxu are simply boring IMHO. There's no other charismatic character after the God Emperor.
Absolutely read all 6 dune books. I like heretics and chapterhouse better than children and messiah. Heretics is probably the most action-packed, run around adventure of the series. Chapterhouse is more introspective in the first half and has the best action set-piece of the series for the second half. The cliff hanger it ends on is amazing as well. Reading hunters and sandworms of dune ruins the beautiful, mysterious ending of chapterhouse.
Thanks for this video! I've been looking into the Dune series as it sounds like something I'd like, however I was getting very confused on the actual number of books out there. Not a fan of the obvious cash grab from Brian but I'm sure I'll end up reading all 44 books because I tend to get very interested in things. Great video again !
All dune books end on a somewhat open ended form meaning even if you don't read the next book you'll be quite satasfied imo. But the sixth book does end on a very cliff hanger way compared to other dune books
@@midnightphilosophies3904 damn. That's a shame the original author died. I kinda feel the same way like the guy from the vid. If it didnt come from original author, then it doesnt count. But the first 3 is a trilogy I assume? N 4 is stand alone? N 5, 6 and 7 supposedly the second trilogy which never got finished. Basically where should i stop reading to get a satisfying ending. Book 5? Or 4? Im really interested. I need a new book series for work. Audiobooks saves lives.
@@krombopulost4699 read the first 3 for paul's story and its aftermath. Book 4 even tho many say its a stand alone it very much continues and is regarded as the best book by many. So I would personally reccomend till the first 4. But if you have time do read 5 and 6. Especially 6's ending even tho people many people take it as a negative thing on how open ended the ending is but its my favourite part of the book its very poetic and introduces two of the most unique and interesting characters in the series. So if Im being honest I reccomend all the books but since you are asking for a satisfying ending I would reccomend till 4
7:32 The book....."The Road To Dune" explains the friendship Frank Herbert had with Bill Ransom. Also when Bev passed away in Hawaii.... How much organization she did for her husband. Frank donated a lot of his paperwork and illustrations to a University after he would pass. Frank wanted one of his kids to keep writing a long with him. Brian started working with his dad at some point. Many more facts in the book that i think all fans of Dune should pick up. (Did you even read this book???)
The Brian books aren't meant to be compared to the original dune books. They're just more dune. Brain never claimed or implied to be as good as his dad. As someone with daddy issues myself, let the man feel close to his dad by making dune.
Oh also, for people wondering which books they should read, which is something this video doesn't address clearly: Don't go beyond Emperor... save yourself a lot of headaches and heartbreak. Emperor provides a good enough ending to the saga as it is.... I would recommend stopping with Heretics, but unfortunately it leaves too many plot points dangling for the sequel(s). In a perfect world, the relevant parts of Heretics would be included as a sort of epilogue to Emperor, but there you go...
To put it mildly: Brian Herbert is complete shit. No time nor money is ever worth it for the tripe that he's happily dolled out over the years. I literally launched the book that I read by him out of the window. He may be related to Frank but a writer, a story teller he is not. The quality that Frank managed to achieve in his DUNE novels is simply incomparable to his son's output. Also, Frank's other novels are nowhere near the level of sophistication that he managed to achieve with his DUNE novels; I think that it's worth keeping in mind that even accomplished commercial writers don't attain any level of success nor acclaim all that often, and in Frank's case, the man struggled for many years with it and developed it over time. As such, he devoted a great deal to it, and in doing so has crafted a novel - a story that will be with us for some time I feel. Ignore Brian's output and stick to Frank's original novels is my advice.
I wouldn’t compare Brian to Christopher Tolkien so much as I would compare him to David Day. Both David and Brian are clearly fans of their respected series but also don’t have any objections to publishing their own interpretation and passing it off as canon. Both make tons of books using the author’s name and recognition to sell copies, all in fancy formats with cool artwork, but lack the ability to say anything really profound about these series in their writing beyond surface level observations and understandings of the story
Great video. I‘ve never read the BH KJA novels. From what I hear they are not terrible, just so much less interesting and deep than Frank Herbert‘s work. I also dislike this endless milking of Dune especially under the pretense of working from Frank Herbert‘s notes. I do ‚t think that‘s actually that true, although I don’t mind the fact that new Dune books Are bei g written. Just be honest about it.😊
Lord of the rings , author died after starting new series , Dune author died before finishing Wheel of time , same thing A song of ice and fire .... I guess george kinda forgot he's writing
You refer to a planned film of Dune Messiah and then say the "rest" of the novels may not be adapted and never have before. Did you forget about Children of Dune that was produced for Sci-Fi channel? Were you just referring to the final three books?
I sort of understand the hatred, but you gotta look at it also from the point of view that 1) it's his inheritance, and while it might seem scummy and whatnot (and sure, it is), on the other hand, why wouldn't he cash in like so many other children cash in with their parents' work. And 2) and this is the most important point: Brian and Kevin obviously have a fanbase, because if no one had bought their first couple of Dune books, no one would've published more... the fact that there are soooooooo many BH/KJA books means that people are buying them, so I think the blame falls a lot more on those consumers, if at all, because there's nothing wrong with liking something others don't. So again, I kinda get it, but I think people should reign in the hatred a bit... no, he's not tarnishing his father's legacy... Frank's books are still there and intact and they'll forever remain so.
... I'm a moron, because I like Brian and Kevin J. Anderson books. It should be noted, that people always bash Brian Herbert for those books....But forget tha Kevin J. Anderson is also contributor to those series. I wonder why?...maybe it's easier to bash Brian's work than an already established writter like KJA....Repeat, I like all those books also.
@@transquelaag haven't read any of it. All I know is I need more Leto in my life. And if the prequel stuff is willing to give me more Leto then I'm willing to accept it.
People can feel anyway they want, that's how the world works, but I really enjoy Brain Hebert's Dune books. He's going off his father notes about where he had planed on taking the series if he hadn't died. Is Brain as good a writer as his dad, of course not and I think he would been the first to say it, but the books are good as far as I'm concerned. He's writing style is different then his fathers (similar to GOT or a Soap opera with multiple storylines going on at the same time. Which is a writing style I like.) Most of all and while I do like Star Wars, I'm not a huge fan, there's no deny that George Lucas and the other people that have been behind it's ongoing development over the last 40+ years, that I think most people would agree that the Star Wars universe is the best envelope and flushed out over any other book series, but I also believe with the Dune series books that Brien/Kevin has written put the Dune universe a close second and with that fact that Denis has also got permission from the Frank Herbert estate to do other projects people need to understand whether you like it or not everything Brain/Kevin has/and are writing in the Dune universe is cannon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Denis and Brain after Part 2 is released put out an updated Dune Encyclopedia that also will be cannon. I hope they do.
Does anyone where to even get the actual og more gruesome book, I’ve seen some ppl talk about how the newer releases are more pg, and with some comparing I did of the text fonts and features it does look a bit different from the one shown in 3:06, I just want to read the gruesome one to know the actual full story. Thanks
I'm late but the distaste for Brian's work seems to be coming from a pretty ill place, and I think people aren't giving him the chance he deserves. While his writing style is not the same as his father's he's still able to convey his narratives very well and I really find his works to be great enrichments to the Dune universe. I'd still recommend people read the original saga before the expanded material, but the expanded stuff is not bad in the slightest.
I'm amazed about the hate Brian and Kevin get just because some people can't accept anythign else than somethign written by Frank Herbert himself, so the rest is garbage and milking. Sad haters calling themselves fans of Dune. Some haters even feel the need to make videos hating on them disguised as informative Dune books videos.
This is how I rank the 7 that I have read: 1 Dune 2 The Butlerian Jihad 3 House Atreides 4 Dune Messiah 5 House Harkonnen 6 Children of Dune 7 House Corrino
Every son is not Christopher Tolkien.
Brian Herbert is like the antithesis of Christopher Tolkien, however, it should be noted that Christopher Tolkien never co-authored under his father's name, but rather edited his father's unfinished works starting with The Silmarillion in 1977, four years after his father's death, hence why he's credited as editor on Tolkien's posthumously published works.
I personally like the expanded dune novels. Idk, I’m reading all the books in chronological order, and I’ve enjoyed them. Yeah it doesn’t read like Frank, but it does kinda stay consistent with the canon.
The road to dune book put out by Brian feels very much like the history of Middle earth series, where it takes drafts and notes to provide a fuller understanding of the author. I personally enjoy it
@@tgiacin435 How is it in line with the Dune canon? Brian Herbert has contradicted dozens of aspects that were present in the Dune saga.
Like: Dune stated that Paul never left Caladan until his father was offered the fiefdom of Arrakis, the BHKJA novels stated that Paul worked in a circus on Ix.
@@thecyberpirate4055 You know history and religion are manipulated right? I’ve read all the book from start to end and they remain consistent. And remember, even in messiah, they referenced that maybe Irulan isn’t a reliable narrator in the books she wrote. Hell do you really think a star exploded near Caladan because Duke Leto died?
@@tgiacin435 He’s contradicted more aspects in books that weren’t narrated by Irulan.
If Caladan’s star really did explode, the planet wouldn’t have been habitable for Count Fenring to take the fiefdom of in absentia. Or when Jessica returned to live in Caladan before the events of Children of Dune. Brian Herbert exploited her lying so he could rewrite and milk the Herbert estate.
The best way I have heard the Brian Herbert books described is as fan fiction. They do read like fan fiction, even if officially authorized by the estate of Frank, which is of course not Frank himself.
YES!!! Exactly, fanfiction! Brian's a total hack. The only ones of his books that I kind of enjoyed were the the ones set during the Butlerian Jihad probably because they're set during a time when our familiar characters aren't in it.
Personally I take the expanded books as canon. Reading the books in chronological order feels consistent for me. Idk, I never expect it to be like Frank, just more like exploring the world
@@tgiacin435 The writers of the expanded universe books appreciate your take (as they take your money). Others are free just as much to be less impressed. Really, anyone can use whatever rationale to classify and declassify. A majority or minority opinion does not have to be "right" on an individual level.
@@emanimal728 I was just sharin my opinion. I like having conversations because it’s such a divisive opinion.
@@tgiacin435 Oh, I get that you were just sharing your opinion, and you get to have it no matter what others may say about it. You can gauge by reactions the popularity of the opinion, but an opinion or a matter of taste does not need to be popular. It just needs to be genuinely your own opinion.
Holy cow. I read House Atreides and do on in high school and hated how they felt. It didn't feel like Frank and now it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for making this video.
Agreed
I know they other books don’t read like Frank, but I like the world building, and a different lens to see that universe. Idk, maybe because I like Star Wars, I didn’t mind the other ones that much.
Just want to point out, that Messiah and Children have also been adapted into a miniseries. It's called "Children of Dune". Part 1/3 is an adaptaion of Messiah and parts 2&3 are Children of Dune. It's surprisingly well done.
Is that the sci-fi channel one with James mcavoy as leto II ?
Yes, exactly.
As someone with a grandfather who was a well published and celebrated author, I understand the challenge involved in wanting to continue a deceased family member’s legacy for a new generation but what Brian did sounds absolutely horrible. There’s nothing wrong with continuing to build new stories in the same universe but putting out clearly defiant pieces of work trying to cash grab is a whole different store
If you don't mind me asking, who was your grandfather, interested in reading past book series
@@SiddarthaTB Panchakshari Hiremath?
2years and he didn't name his father 😢...... rip unnamed author with a deceased grandfather 😢
That’s sad. I’m just about to start the first book after seeing the movie. I didn’t know the series was unfinished tho that’s heartbreaking.
I'm a big Dune Fan since 1980 and I've only read the first six books (the one's Frank wrote) and it's a complete work as far as I'm concerned. Matter of fact Dinadan is correct, you could stop at book 4 and it would feel complete as well.
Finished the main trilogy this past summer. I thought Brian wrote the second trilogy so I wasn’t super interested in those but May read now
Ah, so You would be reading God Emperor now... I wish I could forget it and read it fresh again. Go for it! :)
I like dreamer of dune for the insight on Frank's everyday life but I pretty much refuse to read anything else by Brian. The six dune books by Frank are some of the greatest I've ever read and I don't want to taint my appreciation for that universe by indulging in fan fiction
You won't believe... how much of my burden you've just resolved... I was so confused about these dune books.... bit now everything is clear.... thanks buddy....
Thats exactly the video i needed. I saw the movie already a few days ago and now i want to read the books, looks like i will start with the first three books and decide later if i should read more. Great video as always.
Bro read the original 6 books by Frank Herbert that's the dune saga.
The fourh book is also really great its the best according to many people and I like it too
@@midnightphilosophies3904 it's my favourite but it can be hard for some.
Please make sure to read God Emperor. All 6 books are great. But God Emperor blew me away
There are 6 books in the Dune saga writtem by Frank, and God Emperor is the turning point for the series. Many love it, some hate it and never read past it. I personally couldn't recommend it stronger.
The first 3 books are sort of trilogy (even were once released in one giant hardbound brick :D), then God Emperor comes in and changes EVERYTHING. The style and tone change significantly. It's different than the first trilogy, and different to the final two books. I think Frank meant to write two trilogies, with God Emperor wedged in between, but sadly we only got 2/3 books in the second trilogy.
As for what his son wrote, I appreciate the effort to continue, but ultimately it was a failure and it's best to stop at Chapterhouse. The ending leaves many things unanswered, but at the same time the story presented in 6 books is already so rich and massive, that it doesn't need an ending imho.
I read these books so many times, and when I heard new movie will be made I was so sceptical, even though I love Villeneuve. There are some things I would change, and I think three parts would be better for the first book, but all in all - the movie is awesome.
Thank you! I read Brian's and Kevin's first few books because..well I was bored, but also curiosity's sake. Totally not worth the time. I never ever recommend their attempts at writing and always tell people to just read the the original Frank Herbert six. I couldn't take anything they wrote about remotely seriously, especially after Brian disavowed the Encyclopedia.
Thank you for this video. It is very helpful and confirms my suspicion of Brain Herbert's exploitation of his father's legacy. I have The Dune Encyclopedia, cherish it, and consider it better than anything Brian and Kevin can ever produce.
Has Brian Herbert ever shown proof of the notes he supposedly found in the 90s or we’re just supposed to take his word for it?
I've enjoyed both films. Lynch's Dune has some memorable moments, and the soundtrack is outstanding. Villeneuve's Dune is simply stunning. I've now set myself the challenge of reading the first four book, up to and including God Emperor, which for me, seems a reasonable place to stop. Ultimately, when a story is so vast in scope as Dune, it never really ends, but I have little interest in a lifetime commitment to a story that will never be resolved...
I mean if you're going to god emperor might as well finish off the original frank Hubert 6, and if you really really want to finish the series after the cliffhanger on 6 just read book 7 be mildly disappointed but be glad of the 6 that came before. That's literally the worst that can happen
God Emperor is the best, but books 5 and 6 are also great, highly recommend going for all 6. I would say the 4/5/6 are overall better than 1/2/3, but at the same time these books are soooo different, God Emperor really changed the tone of the series :)
just looking at the wikipedia page for the book series I could tell something was up
then this was the first youtube video I watched to try and find out
and you perfectly explained/confirmed my every suspicion, well done
I agree with your assessment of the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson books. For me, the only ones that matter are the original six; the rest fall far short of Frank's vision.
And the encyclopedia and eye too
I'm on God Emperor right now and despite all the things people say I'm gonna read the Brian Herbert sequels as well.
I felt the same until I read the first book by he and Anderson, "House Atreides" and I thought it was garbage. There's a reason Brian is riding the coattails of his Dad. Hope you have a more enjoyable experience - Good Luck!
I watched the movie and now I’m cursed, I need to read it all.
Yes bro I agree in my head canon there's only the 6 original novels by Frank Herbert as well as his Eye which I do own got a copy and The Dune Encyclopaedia also own. I love dune n it's world. All that's missing is the dune illustrated one day I'll find a copy one day lol
What about the songs of muad’dib
And the road to dune
@@quasi-intellecual3790 in Eye by Frank Herbert it's the last book it has a road to dune but it's different. I just don't buy anything by Brian Herbert but yeah that's all I got
The SciFi channel did release a sequel to their original version of dune called Frank Herbert's Children of Dune
I’m on the fence with expanded dune books. I like having the world building, but I would rather see Dune 7, and what Frank would call canon. But I can’t deny the stuff about Brian Herbert’s books is shady
Can you make videos like this for other books, such as Foundation, Hyperion Cantus, etc?
no
@@kanusingh7469 Mom yours
Awesome. I just saw the movie and I have always wanted to read the book(s)... I went on Amazon and they had a 6 book series. I had no idea what they were. seems like that's what you're covering in the 1st part of the video.
Children of dune was adapted for SciFi TV as a Mini Series in 2003 starring James McAvoy as Leto II.
I'm obsessed with the works of Tolkien. Recently began Dune, and it is depressing how unlike Christopher Tolkien Brian Herbert is. Christopher really treated his father's legacy with the respect it deserves. I'll gladly read the 6 Dune books, but I won't be reading any of the others.
I agree!
Frank Herbert's original books, and "The Dune Encyclopedia" are the only ones worth reading.
The ones by Brian & Kevin read like children's books, or bad fan-fiction compared to Frank's writing, imo.
I found this video a very informative video as I am new to the Dune franchise thankyou
Thanks for a detailed chronology...well done
Please make another vid like this on The Wheel of Time & Middle Earth.
I have 40 pages left of dune
Read Books 1-6 and the Dune Encyclopedia, that's it. Normalize outing Brian Herbert as a coat-tail rider and let this be a lesson on nepotism
Edit: I don't believe Road to Dune contains any of Frank's actual notes, distorted and contorted by Brian and KJA, no doubt, but I wanna read that floppy disk if it's even real
timely intro, thanks!
Ok you got me!
I ain't reading that 7th book when i get to it.
So there was no real end to Franks books since book 7 was never written? Is it worth the read if that’s the case?
Yes.
Defo worth the read
Yes. Imho, books 1-3 are amazing. Book 4 is my favorite, and in my top 5 fav books period. Some people stop after 3 or 4 and are happy with that being the ending.
Books 5 and 6 present some interesting ideas and give even more if that sweet, sweet FH writing style, so you'll probably like them too if you've liked his stuff so far. Book 6 ends on an excruciating cliffhanger, but given why book 7 was never finished, I was content with that being the ending before the new books started coming out.
If you ever really want to read the "finish" (books "7" and "8" by BH/KJA), they're...an ending? Not "bleach my brain" bad or anything, but not very good. (Kinda spoilers ahead?) Mainly know, BH/KJA retcon the last 10ish pages of books 6, and you'll need to read one of their prequel trilogies (the Legends/Jihad trilogy) to understand some of what's going on in books 7-8. Hope that helps.
@@shadowdemon2272books 5 and 6 feel already something else for me, like the BH's books. More so when the 6th book has no ending attaching it to the rest of the story... The concept of "Honored Mattes" and Tleilaxu are simply boring IMHO. There's no other charismatic character after the God Emperor.
Absolutely read all 6 dune books. I like heretics and chapterhouse better than children and messiah. Heretics is probably the most action-packed, run around adventure of the series. Chapterhouse is more introspective in the first half and has the best action set-piece of the series for the second half. The cliff hanger it ends on is amazing as well. Reading hunters and sandworms of dune ruins the beautiful, mysterious ending of chapterhouse.
Thanks for this video! I've been looking into the Dune series as it sounds like something I'd like, however I was getting very confused on the actual number of books out there. Not a fan of the obvious cash grab from Brian but I'm sure I'll end up reading all 44 books because I tend to get very interested in things. Great video again !
I wish they’d given a more capable author the Dune franchise.
So far I'm really am enjoying children of dune and god emperor of dune are my favorites in the series I haven't read the other two yet
i just wanna know does the 6 books have an ending? or it lives u with forever unanswered plotlines for the nonexisting 7th book.
All dune books end on a somewhat open ended form meaning even if you don't read the next book you'll be quite satasfied imo. But the sixth book does end on a very cliff hanger way compared to other dune books
@@midnightphilosophies3904 damn. That's a shame the original author died. I kinda feel the same way like the guy from the vid. If it didnt come from original author, then it doesnt count. But the first 3 is a trilogy I assume? N 4 is stand alone? N 5, 6 and 7 supposedly the second trilogy which never got finished.
Basically where should i stop reading to get a satisfying ending. Book 5? Or 4?
Im really interested. I need a new book series for work. Audiobooks saves lives.
@@krombopulost4699 read the first 3 for paul's story and its aftermath. Book 4 even tho many say its a stand alone it very much continues and is regarded as the best book by many. So I would personally reccomend till the first 4. But if you have time do read 5 and 6. Especially 6's ending even tho people many people take it as a negative thing on how open ended the ending is but its my favourite part of the book its very poetic and introduces two of the most unique and interesting characters in the series. So if Im being honest I reccomend all the books but since you are asking for a satisfying ending I would reccomend till 4
@@midnightphilosophies3904 hey thank you so much for that. time for sand
7:32 The book....."The Road To Dune" explains the friendship Frank Herbert had with Bill Ransom. Also when Bev passed away in Hawaii.... How much organization she did for her husband. Frank donated a lot of his paperwork and illustrations to a University after he would pass. Frank wanted one of his kids to keep writing a long with him. Brian started working with his dad at some point. Many more facts in the book that i think all fans of Dune should pick up. (Did you even read this book???)
A classic tale of an offspring fucking up his parents work. What a shame but love the dune content my guy !!!
let me catch my son bastardising my life's work and milking it for profit!
A birdman fan I see
Ok so ill stick with the og 6. :D
The Brian books aren't meant to be compared to the original dune books. They're just more dune. Brain never claimed or implied to be as good as his dad. As someone with daddy issues myself, let the man feel close to his dad by making dune.
Oh also, for people wondering which books they should read, which is something this video doesn't address clearly: Don't go beyond Emperor... save yourself a lot of headaches and heartbreak. Emperor provides a good enough ending to the saga as it is.... I would recommend stopping with Heretics, but unfortunately it leaves too many plot points dangling for the sequel(s). In a perfect world, the relevant parts of Heretics would be included as a sort of epilogue to Emperor, but there you go...
To put it mildly: Brian Herbert is complete shit. No time nor money is ever worth it for the tripe that he's happily dolled out over the years. I literally launched the book that I read by him out of the window. He may be related to Frank but a writer, a story teller he is not. The quality that Frank managed to achieve in his DUNE novels is simply incomparable to his son's output.
Also, Frank's other novels are nowhere near the level of sophistication that he managed to achieve with his DUNE novels; I think that it's worth keeping in mind that even accomplished commercial writers don't attain any level of success nor acclaim all that often, and in Frank's case, the man struggled for many years with it and developed it over time. As such, he devoted a great deal to it, and in doing so has crafted a novel - a story that will be with us for some time I feel.
Ignore Brian's output and stick to Frank's original novels is my advice.
WC!!!
thanks for sharing !
I wouldn’t compare Brian to Christopher Tolkien so much as I would compare him to David Day. Both David and Brian are clearly fans of their respected series but also don’t have any objections to publishing their own interpretation and passing it off as canon. Both make tons of books using the author’s name and recognition to sell copies, all in fancy formats with cool artwork, but lack the ability to say anything really profound about these series in their writing beyond surface level observations and understandings of the story
I hope you don't mind me asking, but where is your accent from? You seem to have a Portuguese accent.
Read the first 6 and leave it at that. Never touched the others.
I was considering reading Brian's dune books but now I'm definitely not going to do that he's just doing this as a cash grab
Great video. I‘ve never read the BH KJA novels. From what I hear they are not terrible, just so much less interesting and deep than Frank Herbert‘s work.
I also dislike this endless milking of Dune especially under the pretense of working from Frank Herbert‘s notes. I do ‚t think that‘s actually that true, although I don’t mind the fact that new Dune books Are bei g written. Just be honest about it.😊
Why do I keep confusing you and alt shift x
so we will never know how the universe and story ends in book 7... this really sucks
Lord of the rings , author died after starting new series ,
Dune author died before finishing
Wheel of time , same thing
A song of ice and fire .... I guess george kinda forgot he's writing
Berserk too.
@@arifurr oh man , I always forget that he passed away recently :(
" And the abomination called Brian Herbert...."
You refer to a planned film of Dune Messiah and then say the "rest" of the novels may not be adapted and never have before. Did you forget about Children of Dune that was produced for Sci-Fi channel? Were you just referring to the final three books?
Why!!!
Not every son is Christopher Tolkien.
Thanks ....I was about to waste my money 💯
Dude you must really hate Herbert's son wow
I sort of understand the hatred, but you gotta look at it also from the point of view that 1) it's his inheritance, and while it might seem scummy and whatnot (and sure, it is), on the other hand, why wouldn't he cash in like so many other children cash in with their parents' work. And 2) and this is the most important point: Brian and Kevin obviously have a fanbase, because if no one had bought their first couple of Dune books, no one would've published more... the fact that there are soooooooo many BH/KJA books means that people are buying them, so I think the blame falls a lot more on those consumers, if at all, because there's nothing wrong with liking something others don't.
So again, I kinda get it, but I think people should reign in the hatred a bit... no, he's not tarnishing his father's legacy... Frank's books are still there and intact and they'll forever remain so.
My brother decided just today to read 17 consecutively. A LOT of content and fake history involved.👌
why are you whispering???
There are only six books and one encyclopedia. Brian is not frank. Basically horribly written fan fiction
... I'm a moron, because I like Brian and Kevin J. Anderson books. It should be noted, that people always bash Brian Herbert for those books....But forget tha Kevin J. Anderson is also contributor to those series. I wonder why?...maybe it's easier to bash Brian's work than an already established writter like KJA....Repeat, I like all those books also.
You are allowed to like fan fiction no worries
@@transquelaag haven't read any of it. All I know is I need more Leto in my life. And if the prequel stuff is willing to give me more Leto then I'm willing to accept it.
@@magnenoalex2 i almost did this but i couldn't not get passed how bad the writing is in comparison, do it though hopefully it's worth it
@@dinadanalcedines628 fuck i now want to know if they made him stupid and how
@@dinadanalcedines628 I wasn't talking about Paul's son I meant Paul's father
People can feel anyway they want, that's how the world works, but I really enjoy Brain Hebert's Dune books. He's going off his father notes about where he had planed on taking the series if he hadn't died. Is Brain as good a writer as his dad, of course not and I think he would been the first to say it, but the books are good as far as I'm concerned. He's writing style is different then his fathers (similar to GOT or a Soap opera with multiple storylines going on at the same time. Which is a writing style I like.) Most of all and while I do like Star Wars, I'm not a huge fan, there's no deny that George Lucas and the other people that have been behind it's ongoing development over the last 40+ years, that I think most people would agree that the Star Wars universe is the best envelope and flushed out over any other book series, but I also believe with the Dune series books that Brien/Kevin has written put the Dune universe a close second and with that fact that Denis has also got permission from the Frank Herbert estate to do other projects people need to understand whether you like it or not everything Brain/Kevin has/and are writing in the Dune universe is cannon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Denis and Brain after Part 2 is released put out an updated Dune Encyclopedia that also will be cannon. I hope they do.
Does anyone where to even get the actual og more gruesome book, I’ve seen some ppl talk about how the newer releases are more pg, and with some comparing I did of the text fonts and features it does look a bit different from the one shown in 3:06, I just want to read the gruesome one to know the actual full story. Thanks
I'm late but the distaste for Brian's work seems to be coming from a pretty ill place, and I think people aren't giving him the chance he deserves. While his writing style is not the same as his father's he's still able to convey his narratives very well and I really find his works to be great enrichments to the Dune universe. I'd still recommend people read the original saga before the expanded material, but the expanded stuff is not bad in the slightest.
You ppl have no idea what you are talking about 😂😂
I'm amazed about the hate Brian and Kevin get just because some people can't accept anythign else than somethign written by Frank Herbert himself, so the rest is garbage and milking. Sad haters calling themselves fans of Dune. Some haters even feel the need to make videos hating on them disguised as informative Dune books videos.
Nah he’s the classic example of a fail son
bruh, I dont Frank would care what his son is doing to the dune books, brian has every right to do whatever he wants to Dune.
Considering he hated his other son for being gay so I doubt he’d be kind about endless consumerism of his works
This is how I rank the 7 that I have read:
1 Dune
2 The Butlerian Jihad
3 House Atreides
4 Dune Messiah
5 House Harkonnen
6 Children of Dune
7 House Corrino
Who is getting the money now?. 🤣