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Cobblestone steps sat crooked and disheveled along the path. I wondered how merchants ever managed to take their wagons this way. I was guiding the ranchers daughter back home. She couldn’t have been older than ten. “How much further?”, she questioned. “Shouldn’t be more than another mile or so.” I was taking her to a friend of mine, a safe haven. Someone to look after her. She had gotten lost after guardsmen attacked her family’s fields. Her father hadn’t been home and she barely escaped the fire. I found her later that night, crying on the side of the road. Her entire family was missing. I must have been distracted, there was a shrill sound nearby.. almost like something sharp was dropped. A sword scratching the ground. I was probably just paranoid... it had been a long day. “It doesn't make sense... why would guardsmen burn your fields?”, I exclaimed. She didn't answer for a moment. “...I don’t know. They used to be friendly and helped us anytime they were around. But.. something changed awhile ago. Their armor looked bruised and battered, they started demanding payment for our protection.” “It’s almost as if-“, she was cut off suddenly. Turning around, I saw a knife held to her throat. Continued: creativecontentcody.blogspot.com/2024/02/cobblestone-chapter-1.html
You know what? Before I even watch this, I just want to comment that Rothfuss is incredibly blessed to have fans that remain engaged enough to create content about his stuff. Lucky indeed.
@neiltaylor513 First I've heard of it. Not sure how or why an unknown writer would have a ghostwriter though. At any rate, the devotion of his fans is more than he deserves at this point. I think he would agree with that.
On Puppet and the Archive: I hear prescious few talking about the inscription on the Archive, Vorfelan Rhinata Moire. The Adem use an old word for Chandrian, Rhinta. Which sounds like Rhinata, doesn't it? It seems entirely possible that a fortress of stone with only one entrance, dedicated to preserving knowledge, with activity 24/7, with a vault designed to keep Namers out, is a perfect way to fight the Chandrian / Rhinta. Which would explain why knowledge of the Amyr and Chandrian is being pruned, to be kept in the most secure location. In that context, Puppet could indeed be a guardian. His open flames are to check if they ever turn blue.
Kvothe is a noble himself. It's almost certain that Meluan Lackless is his aunt and she hates Ruh because her sister (Kvothes mom) ran away with Arliden. That will likely be a book 3 topic.
5:54 The Rannish boy calls the sword Kaysera the "poet killer", but NOT the poet-king killer. I think it's an important distinction. Given Kvothe's increasing comfort with killing, I think several individuals have it coming. The king is one. A poet is another. An angel is a third. Personally, I think these will be three distinct incidents. But, I also don't think these will be the ONLY three deaths. DoS is going to be a bloodbath. Kvothe will take Gran's advice to heart (and then some) - "Some folk need killing. That's all there is to it."
The only character we know as capable with poetry is Sim, though, so that makes me wonder if his friendship with Sim sours, e.g. if one of K’s schemes backfires to harm Fela. Also remember Kvothe has already dealt with 2 of the 3 wise man’s fears, the moonless night when he meets Felurian and the sea in storm. The only one left is wrath of a gentle man, which sounds like Sim.
@@nf6386 There are a couple more. Ambrose writes (bad) poetry, Vashet defended a poet-king in the Small Kingdoms. There are also the authors of the various poems and songs we've heard throughout the story :)
@@chippytwang yes I realise there are other poets out there, but I meant existing characters capable in poetry (I.e. not Ambrose, although hopefully he gets slain anyway).
I read the first two books in 2014 and this makes me want to read them all over again...but I never imagined it would be almost a decade later and still not have the complete series done.
I honestly wouldn't have started if I knew rothfuss would pussy out with the "but i huv deprezzion" excuse. Dude you're a millionaire suck it the fuck up.
I can relate, I never thought it would be this long without an ending 😅 I've reread them several times now and on each reread I pick up on some new small detail or clue, so there's lots of value in rereading them. But I truly hope we can get an ending one day
Say what you will about Pat, I think when this is done, it will be one of the greatest fantasy stories of all time. Maybe the reason his fans are still engaged and interested is because regardless of how long we have to wait, no one is writing at the level Pat did for NoTW and WMF. I read a lot of fantasy, and no one currently writing is at the level Rothfuss was when he wrote those two books, and slow regard of silent things. The Narrow Road Between Desires is showing up at my house tomorrow, and I'm as excited as I was when WMF came out.
@@nathanscarlett4772 My complaint with WMF was that it was incredibly slow at forwarding the plot, but it left so many hints and revealed so much world-building that I think it will serve as a great set-up when the third finally releases.
There is no way he closes the story well with one book. WMF moved the story an inch. To get in the GOAT conversation you have to have run a marathon and NotW is the first 10 miles, WMF is an inch, so book 3 needs to be impossibly great to cover the distance.
I found out about the name of the wind last year, and it is probably the best thing I have ever read. I hope the 3rd book comes out sooner then later, but Rothfuss is lucky to have such good fans
I swear by the light of the moon I fell in love with a Denna, just like our red headed friend, I fell in love, had my heart broken, reunited, and she had secret patrons. Then, she disappeared. I wish it had stayed like that. Alas, it turns out she went to Alaska, and we re connected, but something had slipped. I tell you this only because, when we dream of something that is so out of reach, so fleeting but compelling, there may be a reason. I miss the mystery of her, but cherish the memories of our adventures which ranged from Florida to San Francisco, and even Montana. Oh, she also looked very much as described. yet another reason Pat hit me so hard. All of this played out over 50 years.
Great video! A few extra mysteries I’d like to clear up: Who is caudicus’s patron or is he acting in his own to wipe out the Calanthis (aristocrats or birds in their stead)? has Kvothe beaten the Cthaeae somehow (has Maedre broken that tree?) or still living out its curse of tragedy? what’s the Yll connection behind K and D’s interest in the language and K’s Yllish appearance with red hair? Are Kilvin’s magic warding stones which create a force field barrier related to the “husband’s rocks” or doors of stone which seal Lanre in? How can Haliax be up and about if Lanre is stuck behind the door, is it just some part of that character’s soul? What’s the last line of that poem about the way stones, do they lead to “hell”? Or “Fariniel”? What is the correct translation of the words above the archive entrance, I’m suspecting it’s not really “the desire for knowledge changes a man” but rather “desire for knowledge can corrupt a man”, or “knowledge is the desire of the corrupted/changed/Chandrian” where the base “Rhinta” refers to the corrupting change which the Chandrian have undergone. And what is K’s heart’s desire? I think it’s his bloodline and family, this is the critical gap in his life when his troop dies, and the discovery of his Lackless ancestry is the solution which causes so much drama and tragedy. That might link with “valeritas” over the 4 plate door, meaning “those most worthy” but also “that which we value most [is behind this door]”. And I really hope Haliax is K’s father and has flaming red hair under the shadow.
Thank you for this amazing video. You inspired me to re-read (for the 14th time) this amazing series. My personal favorite theory is that Kvothe eventually learns copper's and silence's name
I assumed the third lock is the wind and he locked his own name in the chest just before becoming the 7th Chandrian (always 7) so he can do no major harm to the world. Limiting his power. Kvote is not Kvothe, and there is power in a name.
I saw this pop up on my feed and, LIKE AN IDIOT, immediately googled the forbidden search: "Patrick Rothfuss Doors of Stone Release Date." Why. Why do I keep doing this to myself. It's like I WANT to hurt. 😂
Same, I'm late to this chronicles-- found it 2yrs ago, so luckily havent been waiting as long as a lot of fans have. And mixing other reads in between, but I had stopped reading book 2 earlier this year thinking it'll be out by fall, and i just can't take not having the 3rd not being out when im done. But from research and some of these comments, will there be a 3rd? Was there really a ghost writer. PR must be stressed assss fuxxccc.😬
I feel what really was needed by this point was a tie-in novel running in parallel with the past storyline from another POV of another character giving us hints or direct sightings of the Chandrian because they've been way too absent (yes even if they're in disguise, they're not there narratively, even if they are in retrospect. That doesn't address them missing now).
The thing is, similar to the Winds of Winter, if Doors of Stone ist ever released, I will have to re-read all the King Killer Chronicle to have an idea of what's going on. That's what happens if you take 10+ years of time and don't write your damn book.
Saw the title and made the yearly check. While looking through comments loved the idea that "Pat will publish book 3 posthumous so he doesn't have to deal with all the criticism " Joking aside hope next year is the one or the one after that .... its a journey!
Dude, I've reslistened to your king killer videos so many times over the last year while i battled cancer. I started my own podcast where I interview people about what they're fans of, and i would love to talk to you about KKC and your experiences as a fan of the series. PLEEEASE!!!
oh man everytime i feel super jaded with kingkiller and whether the final book will eevr come out, your videos pull me right back. All of these questions are so delicious, but I doubt that any reveal will match up to the mystery that has come with not knowing and speculating about it. No wonder Rothfuss cant finish the third book.
you know these 2 books have been some of my favorite reading and listing experiences ever. He writes his characters so well and the language he uses so beautiful ive listened to them at least 3 times now. and you really made connections in the video that i never noticed and they make so much sense! im quickly learning that this series is too clever for me but ill still enjoy it regardless lmao
Rothfuss isn't the first person to spend 10 years getting a book out, far from it. Since Wise Mans Fears release he has had 2 kids, lost 2 parents, and in the background of his life his fans grew increasingly impatient and entitled about book 3 coming out, adding on more and more pressure for him to make it "perfect". Rothfuss is a human being, and writing isnt all he does with his life, and because it is art, he can't just force it. The charity stream chapter is the only thing fair to fault him on, though he came out and explained and apologized already, so everyone should just grow up and move on. Everyone getting angry about all this clearly won't be angry by the time book 3 comes out so why waist energy on that anger now.
You are somehow worse than the people who blame him for what he did because you do nothing but make excuses for him and absolutely demand that everyone do the same. Toxic positivity. It means you are positive to the point of your positivity becoming a greater force of negativity than a little healthy criticism ever could. People like you are sick only being able to see one side of the equation… there is no balance to you. Real people have balance… you are like an empty shell of what a human should be. Toxic positivity has done this to you… made you pathetic.
I completely agree. We're lucky to live in a world with the KKC in it, the luxury and safety to read it, the access to knowledge and literacy, and to have masterful writing, poetry, and songwriting like Rothfuss's to read. It'll come together in the right time. Pressuring him or turning our backs on him won't help. Now when the book comes out, it'll have a lifetime of writing, experience, and reflection behind it.
@@rawdaaljawhary4174That all was fine and good, but once the fundraiser fiasco happened he became obligated to fulfill his promises to his fans, and at this point to withold the 3rd book from his fans is just plain fraudulent.
Auri mentions in Slow Regard of Silent Things that she has prepared a room for Kvothe and that he will be broken and hollow inside, and that she will fashion a name for him. So, I anticipate an event which will mentally break him.
A new Captured In Words KKC video is always an instant click for me. Really fantastic work with the editing as usual. I'm guessing your custom images are made in Midjourney, I'd recommend trying out A1111 if you haven't already, gives you alot more precision. A couple of quick points, Kvothe never specifically states he kills a Poet King. We know Kvothe returns to the Fae as this has been confirmed by Pat, we also know he visits Junpui, either on his way to Renere, or possibly on his way to the Pirate Isles to pay the Jackis family a visit. We don't know for certain Kvothe has lost his powers completely, this could be a ploy to lure in an enemy, playing a 'beautiful game' by laying a trap. Nit-picks aside, really great video, hope you continue to make more.
Glad you enjoy the content! Yes I use Midjourney, never hears of A1111 but I'll definitely try it out! Also really great points made! I'm really looking forward to seeing Junpui and Renere, and just more of the four corners in general.
you seem like you've read the books quite well , would you mind answering my question? I don't seem to remember where in the book kvothe has problems with his left hand or it not working properly, could you lead me in the right direction?
@@basiliskgamer8352 it's never directly stated, but one of the theories is the difference between kvothe and kote being the missing v and h, which some believe stands for voice and hand/s. There are also numerous times, one of which is the scene in the frame after he meets the Ctheah, where he stares down at his hands in his lap. Recommend searching the king killer subreddit for more information and direct quotes.
I love your Kingkiller videos! Excellent work as always. You did a great job summing up everything that needs to be answered, and there's a lot. I am prepared that we may not get answers to all of it, such as the a backstory for the cthaeh or the underthing, to leave some mystery for later books.
I am extremely new to this series having only finished book 1 earlier this year, now working my way through book 2 and am loving it so so much so far, knowing book 3 has no sign of being released yet I'm not looking forward to the end of book 2 and the dreaded wait
Omgosh same here! Found it maybe 3yrs ago at B&N, just enjoyed book1 didn't know all the wait going on because i read multiple at once just so i stretch the inevitable endings. I was so happy when i got to book2 last yr and researched 3 would be out by fall 2023. Paused earlier this year in hopes it'll be out and i won't dread the wait. But sounds like other fans don't even think it'll be out, now i see the comments about a ghost writer and charity, it's a whole rabbit hole🤦🏽♀️. Im hoping he stretches it out if It'll help make it less stressful for him to write and we get multiple 📚. But maybe that'll complicate things and put more pressure idk, im sure PR is going crazy😬
Sir, I have followed your posts for, well, years now, and I just have to say... thank you. I hope (expect? No, hope) Rothfuss finishes this trilogy relatively soon. Until then (and probably afterwards), I hope to enjoy your comments, insights, frustrations, etc. Thank you!
Of all the books I have read, Patrick Rothfuss delivered 2 epic novels that flow like music. The detail, engagement, and intelligence is unmatched. That said it is time to crap or get off the toilet. It is a shame when an artist looses their passion they start with and rarely is it ever found again.
I understand why people are getting impatient about book 3. I am as well. However, ( I'm not the most avid reader) but never have I ever read any book(s) that required me to read them so closely that are both so beautiful and mysterious. I can't fathom the amount of skill,work, and dedication that has gone into something like this. I think any "fan" who expects Rothfus to just bust the 3rd book out truly doesn't get how deep these books are. I get it though, it's been 10 years, BUT combine an author who is a perfectionist with real life problems such as depression, anxiety, burnout, and just personal life in general, I think we should cut him a break. I also understand about the charity chapter... Rothfus did not handle that well by any stretch of the imagination.. but again... As one who has gone through many mental health battles, I can understand collapsing instead of following through on things. I don't care how long it takes to read book 3 so long as I'm still alive to do it. Which gives Pat 40 plus years to do it 😊
I mean at least GRRM is still making progress. We know pat is not actively working on TDOS. In fact he said he decided chapter 1 needed to be re-edited for the chapter release, and it’s taken him a year to edit half of it. Edit half of the first chapter of a 1000 page book. That’s like 10 pages per year. See you in 100 years
So glad to see you doing more KKC videos. I realize you have your reasons for branching out as well as having feelings towards PR’s problematic relationship with his fan base but - your coverage on these books are simply the best on TH-cam. 🎉🎉
I'd like to know more about Puppet in the library, as well as more backstory about Auri *i wonder if Puppet is allowed to have candles in the library because he knows the name of fire, and he can basically act like a super firefighter if things get out of control
The waiting for book 3 leaves a good space for you to make these videos. I love them and a big part of them thrives on the not knowing the ending. You are amazing. thank you for all your work!
Loved the Dos luckless box joke. Showed your frustration like the rest of us but in a respectful manner and love. Not only do I reread the books I rewatch your videos to get my fix lol
I read this so long ago all i remember is liking the book... At this point I will need to reread everything when the third book comes out. This video just makes me remember her much I have forgotten lol
Same, luckily I'm late to the trilogy and haven't been waiting as long as others but between pausing book 2 earlier in the year after researching that book 3 might comeout fall of 2023, and reading other 📚 even im forgetting😢. This vid and comments have been a nice refresher of the mysteries hopefully to come
These videos are always a treat to watch. So thank you. Kvothes bloodline needs to be addressed. Not just his moms line but if his father is his father. Also if Skarpi, Abenthy and Moster Lorren are believers in the greater good ;).
Glad you enjoyed the video! And yes that's a great point too! I made a video a while back talking about Kvothe's bloodline and about who his real father might be. I'm also very curious about Skarpi, Abenthy and Lorren as well!
I read both books years ago, and decided to start them again a few days ago. Gotta say, it's a bit creepy that this video randomly popped up. I've never looked up anything related to Patrick Rothfuss on youtube.
The way this series is so full of mysteries that could fill multiple books. I cannot see how all of these will be resolved within one book that doesn't feel like checking off plot points...
@@Henriickyhell yeah, author empowerment, if he wants to defraud his audience into donating to a charity he gets a cut from, that's his right to do so and we should all take time out of our day to make sure he feels supported
@@DavidSmith-ov1tt just don't donate. When it comes to human beings, there's always a margin for error, no one is perfect, it sucks for him to say one thing then not deliver but, need" is a strong word.
@@Henriicky dude, stop defending this guy, he promised if x amount of money was delivered to his charity, a charity which employs his friends and pays him 100k a year if I remember right, he would deliver a chapter. That money was raised , it's been two years and still nothing. There's no proof he's written shit for that book. The guy is a con man, it's just that simple and the more excuses you and other fans make for him, the more shit he's gonna get away with down the line. I read the kingkiller series and enjoyed it but there will never be a third book and Patrick and his squad of enablers shouldn't be allowed to get away with whatever because the people involved "chose to donate." They were lied to and Patrick's lazy ass just got richer, that's all it boils down to
This is an awesome video, but it makes me nervous because there is SO MUCH that needs to be wrapped up in the 3rd book. There are a lot of set up plot points that need to come together... I kinda feel like he could use a 4th book
Just when I thought this book series couldn’t hurt me any more, the algorithm puts this video on my home page. Now I have to read them all over again and experience the heartbreak all over again that we’ll probably never get book 3
The 3rd book would essentially have to be the size of books 1 and 2 combined, in order to fit everything in to tie up the loose ends. That being said, he might have to make it into two parts. If only books 1 and 2 were longer, he'd probably have been able to just make it 3 books. But now he's gonna have to make book 3 a 2-part day/night type of thing.🤷🏿♂️
Watching this video made me both impressed with how much Rothfuss has set up in just two books and the intricacies of the set up (like his name changing, his hand not working, and losing his power), but also concerned. Isn't everything you brought up too to wrap up in one book? It can easily be a series of 5 or more just with all the stuff you mentioned.
I think the answers to your 3 statements could be as follows: 1. Who is the king killed by Kvothe? I think kvothe, who if he is the son on the lackless heir, is 4th in line to the throne. Perhaps so.ething happens to the penetant king, his heirs and Alvaron but Kvothe who has shut away his name and true self, kills himself, therefore, the king. 2. What's in the thrice locked chest. I believe, psychologically speaking, Kvothe is locked in the chest and Kote is the result. The shadow cloak, his ancient sword, lamp, rings etc etc are all in that chest. Everything that made him who he was. The chest can only be opened by the name of the elements used and therefore, was never supposed to be re-opened. Kvothe is dead. 3. What's in the lackless box? Almost certainly, this is the stone which Selitos used to blind Lanre (Haliax). Maybe the Lackless were Selitoses house? Intesting questions!
Ok so this might be too far fetched but hear me out… What if Kvothe is the King that he kills? I believe I heard in another one of your videos that if he is indeed a Lackless that he would have a better claim to the throne than Ambrose. If he figured it out, became king, and either failed or didn’t want it so he faked his death - what better way to insult him than to name him the “Poet King”, a name he would despise.
Never thought of that but actually seems reasonable. For me the biggest and most important mystery is the question why he is hiding and this theory could explain it properly at least.
Another amazing video and storytelling. Thanks for keeping us engaged in this long waiting for the 3rd book. I'm super curious to see what Patrick has to show us with his new book coming in a couple of days!
With how often things get attributed to Kvothe and various events conflated, I think king Roderick Calanthis's death is either pinned on Kvothe (maybe by Ambrose? Who Kvothe punishes for it and is thereafter the Penitent King?) or Kvothe is using it to his advantage. Kvothe did kill several calanthis, the little birds that he used to test the Maer's medicine. There's no way they would have the same name unintentionally.
Already fed the first 2 books, these theories and asked chat gpt to finish the book. To be honest it turned out much better than expected. Story finished.
I'm pretty certain at this point that it's going to be Ambrose who is the king of Vintas, and I'm also certain that Ambrose is not responsible for a FRACTION of the things Kvothe accuses him of. In the art of storytelling, you don't waste lines on unimportant comments, especially with a writer as talented as Rothfuss. Therefore, there is a purpose to Kvothe's friends almost unanimously and repeatedly questioning Kvothe when he jumps to his conclusions that Ambrose is behind everything that happens to him. This is always based on VERY flimsy evidence based upon their first encounter and Ambrose doing a petty thing of getting him kicked out of his accommodations and banned from the library. Even Count Threpe questions Kvothe about this, and as a Count, Threpe is "in the know" about the political machinations of the wealthy elite. He is incredibly skeptical that someone, even as powerful as Ambrose could prevent Kvothe from finding ANY patron. Coincidentally, we have two options here if we accept this - either someone ELSE is downtalking Kvothe to nobles in a way that would get all of them to not endorse him, OR Threpe himself isn't actually looking for a patron and just so HAPPENS to find one when the opportunity presents itself to send Kvothe to Vintas. However, there was an excellent opportunity for someone to witness the animosity between Kvothe and Ambrose and to exploit it to manipulate Kvothe and that would be Puppet and Master Lorren, two suspected Amyr agents (based on Puppet's candles being a warning signal for Chandrian) and both of them knew that Kvothe had used a candle in the Archives and they would have known who was on duty at the time to allow him to enter with one. The fact that Ambrose was not reprimanded for this event is also a loose thread here that indicates a conspiracy - Lorren would have known that he would have needed to let Kvothe pass with a candle. The entire mommet incident (also questioned by Kvothe's friends) is also based entirely on happenstance. Any agent of the Amyr (or anyone else) would have known of Kvothe's animosity towards Ambrose, and Kvothe was not exactly subtle at sneaking around observing Ambrose' activities. All someone would need to do to convince Kvothe that Ambrose was behind his attack would be to coincide their attacks with when Ambrose was out of public. The mommet was also never found and was only assumed to be destroyed. So ALL of that baggage there, could have been Amyr, or other third party agents, acting against Kvothe to keep him desperate and paranoid enough to be manipulated, all while pinning blame onto the lightning rod which is Ambrose. And like always, Kvothe is going to jump to a conclusion about Ambrose that's going to get him murdered and the Penitent King will be installed on his vacant throne. The irony of this is that the Jackis family is set up to be suss pirates who are suspected of killing off members of the royal line in some attempt to get the throne of Vintas, BUT what if that is a larger scale false reputation they gained just because they were jackasses and the Penitent King is the one killing off the royal family? Kvothe would be the perfect tool to manipulate to kill off the last royal in line for the throne above the penitent king.
One thing that we know is that Kvothe will get betrayed at some point. For someone to get betrayed, it takes a friend or someone close, not an enemy. So something involving Kvothe's friends will unravel itself.
I have heard a theory that it was Threpe. He was secretly a friend of Ambrose, and bandits attacted his ship because Threpe knew which ship he would be traveling on. He and Ambrose wanted to kill him. And it sounds an interesting storyline. Why didn't Kvothe tell it? He is a good storyteller, so he knew it would be better to put it away for later as a big plot twist.
I have always thought that the killed king could be Vashet's 'poet-king'? He seems significant even though he appears only twice in The Wise Man's Fear...
I'd love to learn the answer to the question at the heart of Kvothe, "Where are the Amyr?" That will probably become clear as we learn more about the Maer's connection to the Amyr, the Chandrian, and Denna's patron. I'm also curious about the Chancellor's mysterious illness that led to Master Hemme becoming Chancellor. It was awfully convenient and could be malfeasance. I can't wait to see Kvothe, the Maer, and Maluen learn that Kvothe is the son of Natalia Lackless. I hope that Kvothe tells Maluen how much Laurian and Arliden loved each other and how they died. I hope Kvothe discovers that Threpe set him up to drown on the journey to Vintas. Still more questions: What is the third heartbeat that Felurian breathed into Kvothe? By accepting her shaede is he beholden to her? Does Kvothe return to Felurian? If so, does he ever leave? Thank you for a great video!
Questions In my mind (I'm a pretty new reader of these books so apologies if these have been resolved) : The link between kvothe and the wind as a force Is kvothe one of the 4 elements (fire) and who might the 3 other elements be if that is a theme Is kvothe's complexity that he embodies 2 elements, fire and wind, a very dangerous mix Relation of copper the mineral/element to kvothe, his hair colour would be called copper in Ireland. Ambrose's surname seems too close to iax/jax to be coincidence, has that been resolved Dena's reference to another kind of magic of writing things down that then become true, what is that all about (? links to storytelling and the move from oral to written story telling and thus to the chronicler? ). Is that how her patron calls her. The connection between name changing and 'self'- dom may link to basts comments about kvothe 'becoming' the innkeeper kote -how long has kote been living under that name. Name-changing and naming and names is deep in the mix (luckless lackless locheee seem linked variants to be thought about, as we seem clear kvothe mum was a lackless) . Why the librarian 'paid attention' by turning and looking at him when kvothe said his father's name,- is that him showing some pre knowledge of that dad, and is that the real reason he bans kvothe from the archives, (in case he brings some family history!/knowledge to the 4 plate door?) Is abnethy still alive cos he heard the song too, has kvothe not tried to find out??? Is kvothe lanre? (the jumping from the window to avoid enemies is basically the same story, but told in a different key, as seems to be the case for many of the stories kvothe/kote tells chronicler-gritty reality compared to the mythic/heroic versions) Is there any link between songs about the chandrian and wedding parties and the decimation by the chandrian following such occasions)
Excellent video, I love your content and your taste in fantasy. I would love it if you post more videos. Maybe videos like book hauls and book recommendations. Would love to see you talk more about your reading updates and hauls
“... Apology now is of little consequence," she said, her voice flat and chill as slate. "Anything you say at this point cannot be trusted. You know I am well and truly angry, so you are in the grip of fear. This means I cannot trust any word you say, as it comes from fear. You are clever, and charming, and a liar. I know you can bend the world with your words. So I will not listen." "Vashet to Kvothe” ― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
Interesting. Enjoyed that. That said, I write this as a reminder to not use my audible credits on old epics left undone for years. My bad, I should have done a little more research after getting that suggestion. After George's laziness or lack of concern for his readers, it's irritating to, once again, be burned by another author's books containing undone stories. I get it. Real life happens. Yet, now, I can also see what a careless and amateur author is. It makes me weary of new authors. Stories worth their ink have a beginning, middle, and end. There are books that have stories within stories like Tanith Lee's, Nights Master, book 1 of the 5 books Tales from the flat earth. Each can be read without leaving you hanging. Keep reading and you see the pattern, the forshadowing, the mystery unfolds naturally and unexpectedy without the use of tricks and teasers.
Im pretty sure Kvothe has killed Cinder. He says his true name on more than one occasion. He is not scared of summoning him. It's cinders sword on the wall. Now kvothes. The silence is his sign. There must be 7. They are the 7. Kvothe took Cinders place and is now rintha. I suspect the theory about the inn being a power dampner is true. Since he could kill the scrael when outside, but fails against the soldiers/thieves.
I think he never even changed his name or gave up his powers. He just told himself he did like when he explains the find the stone game. Also the night he fights the scrael is pitch black and his bonfire the only light so it's a night with no moon which is why I think it's easier to kill fae creatures when they have no connection.
It's never said the king is a poet, only that Kvothe has killed a poet with Caesura. The poet king was who Vashet body guarded for a while. When I endured the many threats AI Kvothe gave he said the king he killed was the Maer, then pregnant Meluan killed herself and they were both ahead of Ambrose. Never got the bastard to admit he killed Sim though.
Hey all, can someone tell me how Auri knew where Kvothe lived, specifically his room to take care of him that night? Also, there’s something either inconsistent or fishy (or both) about how Devi revealed that someone would have paid a lot for Kvothe’s blood. She’s very confidential about the others who borrow from her (suspected even Denna and/or Denna’s charming poet). How would someone have known Devi was in possession of his blood then? We know she had a less than favorable history with Ambrose, but it’s just not clear to me (although it is not explicitly stated that it was Ambrose or someone in his employ that asked about it or if that took place at the time of the selling of the plum Bob). Just a few questions that may be in the text that I’ve missed and thought I’d ask to other lore seekers. Thanks
I assumed Kvote need to remember/learn the name of the materials for the locks…the third being wind. Then it opens to give him back his name. He hasn’t been Kvothe for some time. His name is in the chest. He is the 7th Chandrian now since he killed Sinder. And he keeps the evil locked in the Doors of Stone
No book series that I've ever read wraps up all mysteries and so cleanly that you want. If we get answers to some of these then we should count ourselves lucky,!
I think the dilemma Patrick Rothfus faces is that there's no way to cram all of this information in just one book without rushing the story or making the book about 2,000 pages long. He wants it to be a trilogy and he had planned it to be so, but realistically, it probably needs two more books.
I doubt the Cthaeh will ever be mentioned again in the story. It severed it's purpose in the story to set doubt in Kvothe mind, strike fear in Bast for us to understand the gravity, and mysterious enough to keep us wanting more. Also, behind the Doors of stone I feel is a disappointing end... maybe some limited book as that is in Lorren's control as Elodin said roughly, "Doors of stone... gosh i remember when that had me dying to to know..." and later, "Door of stone, no that is Lorren domain and secret to share." There is no clue that it gives any kind of hint at a tomb that is only reading into what you want to see. He does have to answer what is in the boxes.. as the famous writing style says if you mention a gun in a book you must use it.
Anyone want to compile a list of what should be in the books? We can set up an AI and feed it all of Pat's writing, combine it with our chosen summary and theory, and let it barf out a Frankenstein of a third book. You could organise a voting system what needs to go in, and which theory to chose. It could be a potentially big project. Obviously that "book" would be entirely fan made, and only Pat would have legal rights to it since we're building on his world. But still, given the hours people spend on theory around the book - it might be worthwhile for some. Also, I want to stress that this is a ludicrous idea, just to entertain ourselves while we wait for the third book - and that in no way I want to put extra pressure on Pat. p.s.: A thing that needs to be added to the list is the barrow king. That's in the preface.
I think its perfectly clear that Rothfuss is in over his head with the 3rd book because of the things you mentioned in the video. There is literally no way he could explain the ending of that story and sufficiently answer all the huge questions he has built up over the first two book. It might not even be possible to explain all that in two more books.
Great content as always, however I would ask that you consider altering your Chandrian visuals to remove the flashing effects, as someone with epilepsy I feel I and others could be adversely affected. Thanks :)
It could be those doors. It's likely that those are the doors being spoken of. But the Greystones are referred to as doors to the Fae realm often enough. Rothfuss also likes to play with words, so until it comes out, we aren't sure exactly what the "doors of stone" are
They mentioned the Chandrian in the present day in book two when Kvothe recited the story he heard from the Adem. They aren't dead, because Bast worried that the Chandrian would come find them after Kvothe said their "true" names. But then Kvothe reassured him by saying the Chandrian couldn't track them down by saying their names only once.
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"When you wait a few span or month to hear a finished song, the anticipation adds savor. But after a year excitement begins to sour." - Kvothe
Put it on his Tombstone
What a quote! Hahaha
Cobblestone steps sat crooked and disheveled along the path. I wondered how merchants ever managed to take their wagons this way.
I was guiding the ranchers daughter back home. She couldn’t have been older than ten. “How much further?”, she questioned. “Shouldn’t be more than another mile or so.” I was taking her to a friend of mine, a safe haven. Someone to look after her. She had gotten lost after guardsmen attacked her family’s fields. Her father hadn’t been home and she barely escaped the fire. I found her later that night, crying on the side of the road. Her entire family was missing.
I must have been distracted, there was a shrill sound nearby.. almost like something sharp was dropped. A sword scratching the ground. I was probably just paranoid... it had been a long day. “It doesn't make sense... why would guardsmen burn your fields?”, I exclaimed. She didn't answer for a moment. “...I don’t know. They used to be friendly and helped us anytime they were around. But.. something changed awhile ago. Their armor looked bruised and battered, they started demanding payment for our protection.” “It’s almost as if-“, she was cut off suddenly.
Turning around, I saw a knife held to her throat.
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Kind of like waiting 10 years for a certain book to come out... •cough•cough•
@@rabbitr0nmore like 13 years, at this point.
You know what? Before I even watch this, I just want to comment that Rothfuss is incredibly blessed to have fans that remain engaged enough to create content about his stuff. Lucky indeed.
I’m just here to laugh at the sycophants
Yeah and he is kicking them with his feet, keeps lying and pretends he didn´t have a ghostwriter, he doesn´t have anymore :D
@@FelixS. yeah I’ve heard about that, wonder how true and if so who, if it’s someone alive surly they’d be writing other stories
@neiltaylor513 First I've heard of it. Not sure how or why an unknown writer would have a ghostwriter though.
At any rate, the devotion of his fans is more than he deserves at this point. I think he would agree with that.
@@Zachary_Setzer I doubt he would agree, he seems a strange individual who can not accept any blame himself
On Puppet and the Archive:
I hear prescious few talking about the inscription on the Archive, Vorfelan Rhinata Moire.
The Adem use an old word for Chandrian, Rhinta. Which sounds like Rhinata, doesn't it?
It seems entirely possible that a fortress of stone with only one entrance, dedicated to preserving knowledge, with activity 24/7, with a vault designed to keep Namers out, is a perfect way to fight the Chandrian / Rhinta.
Which would explain why knowledge of the Amyr and Chandrian is being pruned, to be kept in the most secure location.
In that context, Puppet could indeed be a guardian. His open flames are to check if they ever turn blue.
Kvothe is a noble himself. It's almost certain that Meluan Lackless is his aunt and she hates Ruh because her sister (Kvothes mom) ran away with Arliden. That will likely be a book 3 topic.
Obviously.
Very true!
5:54 The Rannish boy calls the sword Kaysera the "poet killer", but NOT the poet-king killer. I think it's an important distinction. Given Kvothe's increasing comfort with killing, I think several individuals have it coming. The king is one. A poet is another. An angel is a third. Personally, I think these will be three distinct incidents. But, I also don't think these will be the ONLY three deaths. DoS is going to be a bloodbath. Kvothe will take Gran's advice to heart (and then some) - "Some folk need killing. That's all there is to it."
Great point! You're right, the poet isn't necessarily the king so it could be that he kills multiple people in book 3. Bring on the bloodbath!
As far as we know, by the end of book 3 a better question would be who did Kvothe NOT kill? 😂
The only character we know as capable with poetry is Sim, though, so that makes me wonder if his friendship with Sim sours, e.g. if one of K’s schemes backfires to harm Fela. Also remember Kvothe has already dealt with 2 of the 3 wise man’s fears, the moonless night when he meets Felurian and the sea in storm. The only one left is wrath of a gentle man, which sounds like Sim.
@@nf6386 There are a couple more. Ambrose writes (bad) poetry, Vashet defended a poet-king in the Small Kingdoms. There are also the authors of the various poems and songs we've heard throughout the story :)
@@chippytwang yes I realise there are other poets out there, but I meant existing characters capable in poetry (I.e. not Ambrose, although hopefully he gets slain anyway).
I read the first two books in 2014 and this makes me want to read them all over again...but I never imagined it would be almost a decade later and still not have the complete series done.
Same here.. so many things have changed in my life since that time. 25+ reads since then too. I hope we get book 3...
I just reread them last year and this makes me want to reread them 🤣🤣🤣
I honestly wouldn't have started if I knew rothfuss would pussy out with the "but i huv deprezzion" excuse. Dude you're a millionaire suck it the fuck up.
Read them again ! I've read each 4 times at least
I can relate, I never thought it would be this long without an ending 😅 I've reread them several times now and on each reread I pick up on some new small detail or clue, so there's lots of value in rereading them. But I truly hope we can get an ending one day
Say what you will about Pat, I think when this is done, it will be one of the greatest fantasy stories of all time. Maybe the reason his fans are still engaged and interested is because regardless of how long we have to wait, no one is writing at the level Pat did for NoTW and WMF. I read a lot of fantasy, and no one currently writing is at the level Rothfuss was when he wrote those two books, and slow regard of silent things. The Narrow Road Between Desires is showing up at my house tomorrow, and I'm as excited as I was when WMF came out.
NoTW was awesome. WMF was mid at best imo.
@@nathanscarlett4772 My complaint with WMF was that it was incredibly slow at forwarding the plot, but it left so many hints and revealed so much world-building that I think it will serve as a great set-up when the third finally releases.
There is no way he closes the story well with one book. WMF moved the story an inch. To get in the GOAT conversation you have to have run a marathon and NotW is the first 10 miles, WMF is an inch, so book 3 needs to be impossibly great to cover the distance.
I just finished a re-read, so the timing of this is perfect - thank you! And a video about Simmon would be amazing! ☺️
I'm glad to see that you're back on the King Killer content! If there's no third book, I'm glad at least that we have these videos.
No book 3 . Ever
I found out about the name of the wind last year, and it is probably the best thing I have ever read. I hope the 3rd book comes out sooner then later, but Rothfuss is lucky to have such good fans
It's crazy that the only doors of Stone information we get from is from you. Patrick owes you $$$
I swear by the light of the moon I fell in love with a Denna, just like our red headed friend, I fell in love, had my heart broken, reunited, and she had secret patrons. Then, she disappeared. I wish it had stayed like that. Alas, it turns out she went to Alaska, and we re connected, but something had slipped. I tell you this only because, when we dream of something that is so out of reach, so fleeting but compelling, there may be a reason. I miss the mystery of her, but cherish the memories of our adventures which ranged from Florida to San Francisco, and even Montana. Oh, she also looked very much as described. yet another reason Pat hit me so hard. All of this played out over 50 years.
Great video! A few extra mysteries I’d like to clear up: Who is caudicus’s patron or is he acting in his own to wipe out the Calanthis (aristocrats or birds in their stead)? has Kvothe beaten the Cthaeae somehow (has Maedre broken that tree?) or still living out its curse of tragedy? what’s the Yll connection behind K and D’s interest in the language and K’s Yllish appearance with red hair? Are Kilvin’s magic warding stones which create a force field barrier related to the “husband’s rocks” or doors of stone which seal Lanre in? How can Haliax be up and about if Lanre is stuck behind the door, is it just some part of that character’s soul? What’s the last line of that poem about the way stones, do they lead to “hell”? Or “Fariniel”? What is the correct translation of the words above the archive entrance, I’m suspecting it’s not really “the desire for knowledge changes a man” but rather “desire for knowledge can corrupt a man”, or “knowledge is the desire of the corrupted/changed/Chandrian” where the base “Rhinta” refers to the corrupting change which the Chandrian have undergone. And what is K’s heart’s desire? I think it’s his bloodline and family, this is the critical gap in his life when his troop dies, and the discovery of his Lackless ancestry is the solution which causes so much drama and tragedy. That might link with “valeritas” over the 4 plate door, meaning “those most worthy” but also “that which we value most [is behind this door]”. And I really hope Haliax is K’s father and has flaming red hair under the shadow.
Thank you for this amazing video. You inspired me to re-read (for the 14th time) this amazing series. My personal favorite theory is that Kvothe eventually learns copper's and silence's name
I assumed the third lock is the wind and he locked his own name in the chest just before becoming the 7th Chandrian (always 7) so he can do no major harm to the world. Limiting his power. Kvote is not Kvothe, and there is power in a name.
I saw this pop up on my feed and, LIKE AN IDIOT, immediately googled the forbidden search: "Patrick Rothfuss Doors of Stone Release Date."
Why. Why do I keep doing this to myself. It's like I WANT to hurt. 😂
Same, I'm late to this chronicles-- found it 2yrs ago, so luckily havent been waiting as long as a lot of fans have. And mixing other reads in between, but I had stopped reading book 2 earlier this year thinking it'll be out by fall, and i just can't take not having the 3rd not being out when im done. But from research and some of these comments, will there be a 3rd? Was there really a ghost writer. PR must be stressed assss fuxxccc.😬
I am sorry for your pain, and I can relate 😂
I think we can safely say that book is never coming out.
@@MaryWilliams-fi2hkI agree. Just like Martin will never finish ASOIAF
It really hurts waiting for almost 14 years. We are now trying to write fan theories for ourselves, because the worst thing is to be left hanging
I feel what really was needed by this point was a tie-in novel running in parallel with the past storyline from another POV of another character giving us hints or direct sightings of the Chandrian because they've been way too absent (yes even if they're in disguise, they're not there narratively, even if they are in retrospect. That doesn't address them missing now).
The thing is, similar to the Winds of Winter, if Doors of Stone ist ever released, I will have to re-read all the King Killer Chronicle to have an idea of what's going on. That's what happens if you take 10+ years of time and don't write your damn book.
If Felurian says that Iax is held behind the doors of stone, from her perspective would that mean that he's not in the fae but in the mortal world?
Saw the title and made the yearly check. While looking through comments loved the idea that "Pat will publish book 3 posthumous so he doesn't have to deal with all the criticism " Joking aside hope next year is the one or the one after that .... its a journey!
It needs to release. There I saved you 20 mins haha jk. Saved to watch later when I’m off work ha
Indeed.
Any King Killer videos you want to put out, I am here for them! There are so many loose ends that need tying.
awesome vid. your channel is the only thing keeping me excited for the KKC. Thank you very much!
Awesome! Thank you! Working on more KKC content soon!
Dude, I've reslistened to your king killer videos so many times over the last year while i battled cancer.
I started my own podcast where I interview people about what they're fans of, and i would love to talk to you about KKC and your experiences as a fan of the series. PLEEEASE!!!
oh man everytime i feel super jaded with kingkiller and whether the final book will eevr come out, your videos pull me right back. All of these questions are so delicious, but I doubt that any reveal will match up to the mystery that has come with not knowing and speculating about it. No wonder Rothfuss cant finish the third book.
This. His first two books are amazing, and their sole premise is a tough thing to pull off.
Man, i just hope he is able to finish them.
you know these 2 books have been some of my favorite reading and listing experiences ever. He writes his characters so well and the language he uses so beautiful ive listened to them at least 3 times now. and you really made connections in the video that i never noticed and they make so much sense! im quickly learning that this series is too clever for me but ill still enjoy it regardless lmao
Great to have you back making KK content!
Rothfuss isn't the first person to spend 10 years getting a book out, far from it. Since Wise Mans Fears release he has had 2 kids, lost 2 parents, and in the background of his life his fans grew increasingly impatient and entitled about book 3 coming out, adding on more and more pressure for him to make it "perfect". Rothfuss is a human being, and writing isnt all he does with his life, and because it is art, he can't just force it. The charity stream chapter is the only thing fair to fault him on, though he came out and explained and apologized already, so everyone should just grow up and move on. Everyone getting angry about all this clearly won't be angry by the time book 3 comes out so why waist energy on that anger now.
You are somehow worse than the people who blame him for what he did because you do nothing but make excuses for him and absolutely demand that everyone do the same.
Toxic positivity.
It means you are positive to the point of your positivity becoming a greater force of negativity than a little healthy criticism ever could.
People like you are sick only being able to see one side of the equation… there is no balance to you.
Real people have balance… you are like an empty shell of what a human should be.
Toxic positivity has done this to you… made you pathetic.
I completely agree. We're lucky to live in a world with the KKC in it, the luxury and safety to read it, the access to knowledge and literacy, and to have masterful writing, poetry, and songwriting like Rothfuss's to read. It'll come together in the right time. Pressuring him or turning our backs on him won't help. Now when the book comes out, it'll have a lifetime of writing, experience, and reflection behind it.
@@rawdaaljawhary4174That all was fine and good, but once the fundraiser fiasco happened he became obligated to fulfill his promises to his fans, and at this point to withold the 3rd book from his fans is just plain fraudulent.
he can write whatever he wants really, soon he will be losing his mental capacity, and then no 3rd book will ever be released.
Auri mentions in Slow Regard of Silent Things that she has prepared a room for Kvothe and that he will be broken and hollow inside, and that she will fashion a name for him. So, I anticipate an event which will mentally break him.
A new Captured In Words KKC video is always an instant click for me. Really fantastic work with the editing as usual. I'm guessing your custom images are made in Midjourney, I'd recommend trying out A1111 if you haven't already, gives you alot more precision. A couple of quick points, Kvothe never specifically states he kills a Poet King. We know Kvothe returns to the Fae as this has been confirmed by Pat, we also know he visits Junpui, either on his way to Renere, or possibly on his way to the Pirate Isles to pay the Jackis family a visit. We don't know for certain Kvothe has lost his powers completely, this could be a ploy to lure in an enemy, playing a 'beautiful game' by laying a trap. Nit-picks aside, really great video, hope you continue to make more.
Glad you enjoy the content! Yes I use Midjourney, never hears of A1111 but I'll definitely try it out! Also really great points made! I'm really looking forward to seeing Junpui and Renere, and just more of the four corners in general.
you seem like you've read the books quite well , would you mind answering my question? I don't seem to remember where in the book kvothe has problems with his left hand or it not working properly, could you lead me in the right direction?
@@basiliskgamer8352 it's never directly stated, but one of the theories is the difference between kvothe and kote being the missing v and h, which some believe stands for voice and hand/s. There are also numerous times, one of which is the scene in the frame after he meets the Ctheah, where he stares down at his hands in his lap. Recommend searching the king killer subreddit for more information and direct quotes.
This was exactly what I needed today after a pretty crappy week! ❤ As always your King Killer content is 🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed!! And I wish you a much better week coming up! 😊
I love your Kingkiller videos! Excellent work as always. You did a great job summing up everything that needs to be answered, and there's a lot. I am prepared that we may not get answers to all of it, such as the a backstory for the cthaeh or the underthing, to leave some mystery for later books.
I am extremely new to this series having only finished book 1 earlier this year, now working my way through book 2 and am loving it so so much so far, knowing book 3 has no sign of being released yet I'm not looking forward to the end of book 2 and the dreaded wait
Welcome to the dysfunctional club 🤣
Omgosh same here! Found it maybe 3yrs ago at B&N, just enjoyed book1 didn't know all the wait going on because i read multiple at once just so i stretch the inevitable endings. I was so happy when i got to book2 last yr and researched 3 would be out by fall 2023. Paused earlier this year in hopes it'll be out and i won't dread the wait. But sounds like other fans don't even think it'll be out, now i see the comments about a ghost writer and charity, it's a whole rabbit hole🤦🏽♀️. Im hoping he stretches it out if It'll help make it less stressful for him to write and we get multiple 📚. But maybe that'll complicate things and put more pressure idk, im sure PR is going crazy😬
You can spend some time on the novellas. Slow Regard for Silent Things is amazing character insight on Auri.
Sir, I have followed your posts for, well, years now, and I just have to say... thank you. I hope (expect? No, hope) Rothfuss finishes this trilogy relatively soon. Until then (and probably afterwards), I hope to enjoy your comments, insights, frustrations, etc. Thank you!
You NEED to do a theory episode on the Maer Alveron. There is soooooo much there!
Wild that people still imagine book 3 is coming.
Whats with your profile picture??
I found you because of these books! Keep the videos comin, love ya man!
Of all the books I have read, Patrick Rothfuss delivered 2 epic novels that flow like music. The detail, engagement, and intelligence is unmatched. That said it is time to crap or get off the toilet. It is a shame when an artist looses their passion they start with and rarely is it ever found again.
It's pretty incredible how good of a writer he is, especially considering these are his first novels
I understand why people are getting impatient about book 3. I am as well. However, ( I'm not the most avid reader) but never have I ever read any book(s) that required me to read them so closely that are both so beautiful and mysterious. I can't fathom the amount of skill,work, and dedication that has gone into something like this. I think any "fan" who expects Rothfus to just bust the 3rd book out truly doesn't get how deep these books are. I get it though, it's been 10 years, BUT combine an author who is a perfectionist with real life problems such as depression, anxiety, burnout, and just personal life in general, I think we should cut him a break. I also understand about the charity chapter... Rothfus did not handle that well by any stretch of the imagination.. but again... As one who has gone through many mental health battles, I can understand collapsing instead of following through on things. I don't care how long it takes to read book 3 so long as I'm still alive to do it. Which gives Pat 40 plus years to do it 😊
Call me a fool but I am still excited for this to be released one day. It certainly has a higher chance than A Dream of Spring.
You're a fool then hahahaha "There was never much hope to begin with"
But there was always a part of me that hoped for more, and so there was a part of me that was always a fool.
And the sun will explode before either are released.
I mean at least GRRM is still making progress. We know pat is not actively working on TDOS. In fact he said he decided chapter 1 needed to be re-edited for the chapter release, and it’s taken him a year to edit half of it. Edit half of the first chapter of a 1000 page book. That’s like 10 pages per year. See you in 100 years
Me toooooo
as heartbroken as I am with the whole trilogy taking so long, I can't help but love all the content you create about it! Bittersweet...
So glad to see you doing more KKC videos. I realize you have your reasons for branching out as well as having feelings towards PR’s problematic relationship with his fan base but - your coverage on these books are simply the best on TH-cam. 🎉🎉
I'd like to know more about Puppet in the library, as well as more backstory about Auri
*i wonder if Puppet is allowed to have candles in the library because he knows the name of fire, and he can basically act like a super firefighter if things get out of control
Great timing for this video! A little group read of The Narrow Road sounds awesome :)
The waiting for book 3 leaves a good space for you to make these videos. I love them and a big part of them thrives on the not knowing the ending. You are amazing. thank you for all your work!
This has to be a beast of a video to make, I mean...it could be a 2 hour video if you list everything we need to see in book 3.
New king killer video! Day made!
Loved the Dos luckless box joke. Showed your frustration like the rest of us but in a respectful manner and love. Not only do I reread the books I rewatch your videos to get my fix lol
Really liked the book. This video got me excited that maybe there was news of a book 3…. Well I’ll start reading Red Rising again
Sorry for getting your hopes up 😅
I read this so long ago all i remember is liking the book... At this point I will need to reread everything when the third book comes out. This video just makes me remember her much I have forgotten lol
Same, luckily I'm late to the trilogy and haven't been waiting as long as others but between pausing book 2 earlier in the year after researching that book 3 might comeout fall of 2023, and reading other 📚 even im forgetting😢. This vid and comments have been a nice refresher of the mysteries hopefully to come
Woww I'm so glad you're back talking about this! Narrow road release has got me hyped!!
Seeing Pat talk about it all the details in just one chapter during past streams, the things that need to happen is probably 100x longer in actuality.
I'm so excited to read book 3. Hope the wait isn't much longer.
These videos are always a treat to watch. So thank you.
Kvothes bloodline needs to be addressed. Not just his moms line but if his father is his father. Also if Skarpi, Abenthy and Moster Lorren are believers in the greater good ;).
Glad you enjoyed the video! And yes that's a great point too! I made a video a while back talking about Kvothe's bloodline and about who his real father might be. I'm also very curious about Skarpi, Abenthy and Lorren as well!
I read both books years ago, and decided to start them again a few days ago. Gotta say, it's a bit creepy that this video randomly popped up. I've never looked up anything related to Patrick Rothfuss on youtube.
The way this series is so full of mysteries that could fill multiple books. I cannot see how all of these will be resolved within one book that doesn't feel like checking off plot points...
what NEEDS to happen is it to be released, no more excuses from The Author who shall not be named
"Need" Rothfuss will do whatever the f he wants too. Rightly so.
@@Henriickyhell yeah, author empowerment, if he wants to defraud his audience into donating to a charity he gets a cut from, that's his right to do so and we should all take time out of our day to make sure he feels supported
@@DavidSmith-ov1tt just don't donate. When it comes to human beings, there's always a margin for error, no one is perfect, it sucks for him to say one thing then not deliver but, need" is a strong word.
@@Henriicky dude, stop defending this guy, he promised if x amount of money was delivered to his charity, a charity which employs his friends and pays him 100k a year if I remember right, he would deliver a chapter. That money was raised , it's been two years and still nothing. There's no proof he's written shit for that book. The guy is a con man, it's just that simple and the more excuses you and other fans make for him, the more shit he's gonna get away with down the line. I read the kingkiller series and enjoyed it but there will never be a third book and Patrick and his squad of enablers shouldn't be allowed to get away with whatever because the people involved "chose to donate." They were lied to and Patrick's lazy ass just got richer, that's all it boils down to
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This is an awesome video, but it makes me nervous because there is SO MUCH that needs to be wrapped up in the 3rd book. There are a lot of set up plot points that need to come together... I kinda feel like he could use a 4th book
Id gladly ready a book 3, 4 and 5😊
Just when I thought this book series couldn’t hurt me any more, the algorithm puts this video on my home page. Now I have to read them all over again and experience the heartbreak all over again that we’ll probably never get book 3
They key, coin, and candle are the keys for the thrice-locked box. Calling it right now.
The 3rd book would essentially have to be the size of books 1 and 2 combined, in order to fit everything in to tie up the loose ends. That being said, he might have to make it into two parts. If only books 1 and 2 were longer, he'd probably have been able to just make it 3 books. But now he's gonna have to make book 3 a 2-part day/night type of thing.🤷🏿♂️
All your efforts are so appreciated. Thank you for the time and energy channeled into these videos :)
Watching this video made me both impressed with how much Rothfuss has set up in just two books and the intricacies of the set up (like his name changing, his hand not working, and losing his power), but also concerned. Isn't everything you brought up too to wrap up in one book? It can easily be a series of 5 or more just with all the stuff you mentioned.
my theory on puppet is that he is an amyr and he is allowed to have candles so he can watch for the flame to turn blue
Finally, someone is giving Rothfuss the content he has been seeking for so long.
#1. NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN. (Without this one, anything else is moot).
Well, you're not wrong!
I think the answers to your 3 statements could be as follows:
1. Who is the king killed by Kvothe?
I think kvothe, who if he is the son on the lackless heir, is 4th in line to the throne. Perhaps so.ething happens to the penetant king, his heirs and Alvaron but Kvothe who has shut away his name and true self, kills himself, therefore, the king.
2. What's in the thrice locked chest.
I believe, psychologically speaking, Kvothe is locked in the chest and Kote is the result. The shadow cloak, his ancient sword, lamp, rings etc etc are all in that chest. Everything that made him who he was. The chest can only be opened by the name of the elements used and therefore, was never supposed to be re-opened. Kvothe is dead.
3. What's in the lackless box?
Almost certainly, this is the stone which Selitos used to blind Lanre (Haliax). Maybe the Lackless were Selitoses house?
Intesting questions!
Ok so this might be too far fetched but hear me out…
What if Kvothe is the King that he kills?
I believe I heard in another one of your videos that if he is indeed a Lackless that he would have a better claim to the throne than Ambrose.
If he figured it out, became king, and either failed or didn’t want it so he faked his death - what better way to insult him than to name him the “Poet King”, a name he would despise.
Never thought of that but actually seems reasonable. For me the biggest and most important mystery is the question why he is hiding and this theory could explain it properly at least.
I can see that theory. Kvote likes being the martyr, so makes sense.
Another amazing video and storytelling. Thanks for keeping us engaged in this long waiting for the 3rd book. I'm super curious to see what Patrick has to show us with his new book coming in a couple of days!
With how often things get attributed to Kvothe and various events conflated, I think king Roderick Calanthis's death is either pinned on Kvothe (maybe by Ambrose? Who Kvothe punishes for it and is thereafter the Penitent King?) or Kvothe is using it to his advantage. Kvothe did kill several calanthis, the little birds that he used to test the Maer's medicine. There's no way they would have the same name unintentionally.
Can’t wait to hear your take on the new novella. In the midst of it and I’m OBSESSED with the language!
Already fed the first 2 books, these theories and asked chat gpt to finish the book. To be honest it turned out much better than expected. Story finished.
I'm pretty certain at this point that it's going to be Ambrose who is the king of Vintas, and I'm also certain that Ambrose is not responsible for a FRACTION of the things Kvothe accuses him of. In the art of storytelling, you don't waste lines on unimportant comments, especially with a writer as talented as Rothfuss. Therefore, there is a purpose to Kvothe's friends almost unanimously and repeatedly questioning Kvothe when he jumps to his conclusions that Ambrose is behind everything that happens to him. This is always based on VERY flimsy evidence based upon their first encounter and Ambrose doing a petty thing of getting him kicked out of his accommodations and banned from the library. Even Count Threpe questions Kvothe about this, and as a Count, Threpe is "in the know" about the political machinations of the wealthy elite. He is incredibly skeptical that someone, even as powerful as Ambrose could prevent Kvothe from finding ANY patron.
Coincidentally, we have two options here if we accept this - either someone ELSE is downtalking Kvothe to nobles in a way that would get all of them to not endorse him, OR Threpe himself isn't actually looking for a patron and just so HAPPENS to find one when the opportunity presents itself to send Kvothe to Vintas.
However, there was an excellent opportunity for someone to witness the animosity between Kvothe and Ambrose and to exploit it to manipulate Kvothe and that would be Puppet and Master Lorren, two suspected Amyr agents (based on Puppet's candles being a warning signal for Chandrian) and both of them knew that Kvothe had used a candle in the Archives and they would have known who was on duty at the time to allow him to enter with one. The fact that Ambrose was not reprimanded for this event is also a loose thread here that indicates a conspiracy - Lorren would have known that he would have needed to let Kvothe pass with a candle.
The entire mommet incident (also questioned by Kvothe's friends) is also based entirely on happenstance. Any agent of the Amyr (or anyone else) would have known of Kvothe's animosity towards Ambrose, and Kvothe was not exactly subtle at sneaking around observing Ambrose' activities. All someone would need to do to convince Kvothe that Ambrose was behind his attack would be to coincide their attacks with when Ambrose was out of public. The mommet was also never found and was only assumed to be destroyed.
So ALL of that baggage there, could have been Amyr, or other third party agents, acting against Kvothe to keep him desperate and paranoid enough to be manipulated, all while pinning blame onto the lightning rod which is Ambrose. And like always, Kvothe is going to jump to a conclusion about Ambrose that's going to get him murdered and the Penitent King will be installed on his vacant throne.
The irony of this is that the Jackis family is set up to be suss pirates who are suspected of killing off members of the royal line in some attempt to get the throne of Vintas, BUT what if that is a larger scale false reputation they gained just because they were jackasses and the Penitent King is the one killing off the royal family? Kvothe would be the perfect tool to manipulate to kill off the last royal in line for the throne above the penitent king.
One thing that we know is that Kvothe will get betrayed at some point. For someone to get betrayed, it takes a friend or someone close, not an enemy. So something involving Kvothe's friends will unravel itself.
I have heard a theory that it was Threpe. He was secretly a friend of Ambrose, and bandits attacted his ship because Threpe knew which ship he would be traveling on. He and Ambrose wanted to kill him.
And it sounds an interesting storyline. Why didn't Kvothe tell it? He is a good storyteller, so he knew it would be better to put it away for later as a big plot twist.
I refuse to believe Threpe is a traitor! I don't know why but of all the many theories I have heard this one is the worst to me XD @@boblesponge1548
I have always thought that the killed king could be Vashet's 'poet-king'? He seems significant even though he appears only twice in The Wise Man's Fear...
Thank you for the new theory video. This will be a nice trigger to desire the 3rd book 😂
Glad to know you are working on part 2. Was eagerly waiting lol. Cheers mate!
I would love to see how Kvothe met again with Ben and what was that meeting like 😄 gosh there is so much to uncover
Wasnt Ben an old alchemist, would be still be alive? Hopefully he doesnt blame himself for teaching Kvote and settling him on that path.
Yesss! Me too, I really hope he meets Ben again in book 3 and returns Rhetoric & Logic
I'd love to learn the answer to the question at the heart of Kvothe, "Where are the Amyr?" That will probably become clear as we learn more about the Maer's connection to the Amyr, the Chandrian, and Denna's patron.
I'm also curious about the Chancellor's mysterious illness that led to Master Hemme becoming Chancellor. It was awfully convenient and could be malfeasance.
I can't wait to see Kvothe, the Maer, and Maluen learn that Kvothe is the son of Natalia Lackless. I hope that Kvothe tells Maluen how much Laurian and Arliden loved each other and how they died.
I hope Kvothe discovers that Threpe set him up to drown on the journey to Vintas.
Still more questions:
What is the third heartbeat that Felurian breathed into Kvothe? By accepting her shaede is he beholden to her? Does Kvothe return to Felurian? If so, does he ever leave?
Thank you for a great video!
The narrow road between desires will keep my DESIRE at bay (hahaha) but God I hope to see doors of stone in my life
one of the few TH-camrs whose content in the Name of the Wind is worth watching!
Questions In my mind (I'm a pretty new reader of these books so apologies if these have been resolved) :
The link between kvothe and the wind as a force
Is kvothe one of the 4 elements (fire) and who might the 3 other elements be if that is a theme
Is kvothe's complexity that he embodies 2 elements, fire and wind, a very dangerous mix
Relation of copper the mineral/element to kvothe, his hair colour would be called copper in Ireland.
Ambrose's surname seems too close to iax/jax to be coincidence, has that been resolved
Dena's reference to another kind of magic of writing things down that then become true, what is that all about (? links to storytelling and the move from oral to written story telling and thus to the chronicler? ). Is that how her patron calls her.
The connection between name changing and
'self'- dom may link to basts comments about kvothe 'becoming' the innkeeper kote -how long has kote been living under that name. Name-changing and naming and names is deep in the mix (luckless lackless locheee seem linked variants to be thought about, as we seem clear kvothe mum was a lackless) .
Why the librarian 'paid attention' by turning and looking at him when kvothe said his father's name,- is that him showing some pre knowledge of that dad, and is that the real reason he bans kvothe from the archives, (in case he brings some family history!/knowledge to the 4 plate door?)
Is abnethy still alive cos he heard the song too, has kvothe not tried to find out???
Is kvothe lanre? (the jumping from the window to avoid enemies is basically the same story, but told in a different key, as seems to be the case for many of the stories kvothe/kote tells chronicler-gritty reality compared to the mythic/heroic versions)
Is there any link between songs about the chandrian and wedding parties and the decimation by the chandrian following such occasions)
It is such a shame that the garden dwarf will never finish the series.
Excellent video, I love your content and your taste in fantasy. I would love it if you post more videos. Maybe videos like book hauls and book recommendations. Would love to see you talk more about your reading updates and hauls
“... Apology now is of little consequence," she said, her voice flat and chill as slate. "Anything you say at this point cannot be trusted. You know I am well and truly angry, so you are in the grip of fear. This means I cannot trust any word you say, as it comes from fear. You are clever, and charming, and a liar. I know you can bend the world with your words. So I will not listen."
"Vashet to Kvothe”
― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear
Interesting. Enjoyed that.
That said, I write this as a reminder to not use my audible credits on old epics left undone for years. My bad, I should have done a little more research after getting that suggestion.
After George's laziness or lack of concern for his readers, it's irritating to, once again, be burned by another author's books containing undone stories. I get it. Real life happens. Yet, now, I can also see what a careless and amateur author is. It makes me weary of new authors.
Stories worth their ink have a beginning, middle, and end. There are books that have stories within stories like Tanith Lee's, Nights Master, book 1 of the 5 books Tales from the flat earth. Each can be read without leaving you hanging. Keep reading and you see the pattern, the forshadowing, the mystery unfolds naturally and unexpectedy without the use of tricks and teasers.
Im pretty sure Kvothe has killed Cinder. He says his true name on more than one occasion. He is not scared of summoning him. It's cinders sword on the wall. Now kvothes. The silence is his sign. There must be 7. They are the 7. Kvothe took Cinders place and is now rintha.
I suspect the theory about the inn being a power dampner is true. Since he could kill the scrael when outside, but fails against the soldiers/thieves.
I think he never even changed his name or gave up his powers. He just told himself he did like when he explains the find the stone game. Also the night he fights the scrael is pitch black and his bonfire the only light so it's a night with no moon which is why I think it's easier to kill fae creatures when they have no connection.
I would like Abenthy to return in some way. Really like his character and mystery around him.
Same here! I really hope we'll see Abenthy make a return in book 3
It's never said the king is a poet, only that Kvothe has killed a poet with Caesura. The poet king was who Vashet body guarded for a while. When I endured the many threats AI Kvothe gave he said the king he killed was the Maer, then pregnant Meluan killed herself and they were both ahead of Ambrose. Never got the bastard to admit he killed Sim though.
Hey all, can someone tell me how Auri knew where Kvothe lived, specifically his room to take care of him that night? Also, there’s something either inconsistent or fishy (or both) about how Devi revealed that someone would have paid a lot for Kvothe’s blood. She’s very confidential about the others who borrow from her (suspected even Denna and/or Denna’s charming poet). How would someone have known Devi was in possession of his blood then? We know she had a less than favorable history with Ambrose, but it’s just not clear to me (although it is not explicitly stated that it was Ambrose or someone in his employ that asked about it or if that took place at the time of the selling of the plum Bob). Just a few questions that may be in the text that I’ve missed and thought I’d ask to other lore seekers. Thanks
I assumed Kvote need to remember/learn the name of the materials for the locks…the third being wind. Then it opens to give him back his name. He hasn’t been Kvothe for some time. His name is in the chest. He is the 7th Chandrian now since he killed Sinder. And he keeps the evil locked in the Doors of Stone
No book series that I've ever read wraps up all mysteries and so cleanly that you want. If we get answers to some of these then we should count ourselves lucky,!
I think the dilemma Patrick Rothfus faces is that there's no way to cram all of this information in just one book without rushing the story or making the book about 2,000 pages long. He wants it to be a trilogy and he had planned it to be so, but realistically, it probably needs two more books.
I doubt the Cthaeh will ever be mentioned again in the story. It severed it's purpose in the story to set doubt in Kvothe mind, strike fear in Bast for us to understand the gravity, and mysterious enough to keep us wanting more. Also, behind the Doors of stone I feel is a disappointing end... maybe some limited book as that is in Lorren's control as Elodin said roughly, "Doors of stone... gosh i remember when that had me dying to to know..." and later, "Door of stone, no that is Lorren domain and secret to share." There is no clue that it gives any kind of hint at a tomb that is only reading into what you want to see.
He does have to answer what is in the boxes.. as the famous writing style says if you mention a gun in a book you must use it.
Anyone want to compile a list of what should be in the books? We can set up an AI and feed it all of Pat's writing, combine it with our chosen summary and theory, and let it barf out a Frankenstein of a third book. You could organise a voting system what needs to go in, and which theory to chose. It could be a potentially big project.
Obviously that "book" would be entirely fan made, and only Pat would have legal rights to it since we're building on his world. But still, given the hours people spend on theory around the book - it might be worthwhile for some. Also, I want to stress that this is a ludicrous idea, just to entertain ourselves while we wait for the third book - and that in no way I want to put extra pressure on Pat.
p.s.: A thing that needs to be added to the list is the barrow king. That's in the preface.
I think its perfectly clear that Rothfuss is in over his head with the 3rd book because of the things you mentioned in the video. There is literally no way he could explain the ending of that story and sufficiently answer all the huge questions he has built up over the first two book. It might not even be possible to explain all that in two more books.
I'll be happy to read 3 more if it helps him write it.
Great content as always, however I would ask that you consider altering your Chandrian visuals to remove the flashing effects, as someone with epilepsy I feel I and others could be adversely affected. Thanks :)
Still the series that drives the most obsession with me. I could watch videos discussing kingkiller everyday.
I thought the doors of stone were the doors in the library (with copper in them)? Or did I miss something?
I think Bast is Kvothe’s son with Felurian.
It could be those doors. It's likely that those are the doors being spoken of. But the Greystones are referred to as doors to the Fae realm often enough. Rothfuss also likes to play with words, so until it comes out, we aren't sure exactly what the "doors of stone" are
They mentioned the Chandrian in the present day in book two when Kvothe recited the story he heard from the Adem. They aren't dead, because Bast worried that the Chandrian would come find them after Kvothe said their "true" names. But then Kvothe reassured him by saying the Chandrian couldn't track them down by saying their names only once.