I liked how Rust told both Maggie and Marty that it is none of his business what is going on with their relationship, he told them both multiple times, i really have a great respect for this man.
And even after telling them that he didn't want to get involved in their drama, they suck him into it any way. Unhappy couples are never good news, always best to steer way clear.
@@paulfrantizek102 Well, his aim was to straighten up the guy that's supposed to cover his flank while he's in a shootout with a serial killer. Suffering some whining and drama is a small cost for not being dead.
@@NikolaAvramov Oh I agree in this specific situation Rust had no choice. I was speaking more as a general policy. Unhappy couples always make you pay.
Notice how Rust just doesnt straight leave. He waits a moment to check her reaction to see if she is willing to take back what she just said. When she don't, he finally walks. Great acting
If I understand his character right then I think he actually didn't care of the stupid thing Maggie said and tried to show how stupid she sounded when she said it by looking at her the way he did .. and just walked away because it's a waste of time trying to convince an ignorant.. ( I'm not saying that I agree with what he did nor saying that I don't .. my opinion about the matter is irrelevant )
@@3rdcoastobs467 i think the original comment was right. A mature adult understands that sometimes people say things impulsively, and one who is firm in their fortitude knows they must be patient with those who act this way. But Maggie didn’t apologize, so he moves on.
@@fhowland Rust Cohle's rant on pessimism and godlessness and the collective "stupidity" of the masses is so over the top and lacking of any self-awareness that I genuinely feel it was written by a 17 year old kid who just recently discovered atheism or stoicism. The car scene where he says "I am what you call in philosophical terms, a pessimist" and the whole dialogue that pans out afterwards was , in my opinion , very poorly written. It honestly isn't as profound as what the writers thought it was . I've spoken enough now , do let me know what are your thoughts :)
@Sidharth Warrier I’m pretty sure that’s the point, that he was an edgy man who didn’t believe in anything after all the shit he’d seen and been through, and he faced those extreme traumas with extreme viewpoints, it was his way of coping with the fucked up world he found himself in. A lot of people in real life are like this, A LOT.
00:52 After the amount of divorces and breakups I've witnessed in my life I have to agree with that. Cohles pessimistic views made him the most relatable and realistic character I've ever come across in a show.
This is my favourite scene. The delivery, facial expressions, body language, tone, etc are sublime. The shot of Maggie through the glass at the end is perfection. She instantly realized that final comment was a mistake.
Maggie said something that hurt Rust to his core and immediately regrets it. She knew the words and said them, and wish she could take them back. Very good acting
this is textbook example of what you do when a woman's acting out. you don't yell, you don't act aggressive. you straight up leave because she's lost her privileges with you
@Xavi Campoverde Not the general use but what you meant by it. Because I don't see him hurt emotionally one bit. Not at all. For starters - he didn't love this woman in any way.
Rust's character is a man that lives by his convictions-convictions gleaned on the true base nature of humans. Few people live like this....that is why we like him so much.
No, he is a tragic character. A troubled soul. Life seems meaningless to him because he denies the one thing that gives life meaning. Namely consciousness.
Shit, I missed this phrase. So, did she took a small revenge on him as well when she repeated this phrase after they fucked?? Like she fucked him to take revenge on husband but at the same time she wanted to hurt Rust too? (although it doesn't make much sense for her to be that angry for Rust).
It’s a bit of a throwaway line in this scene, but to imagine the shortcomings of others as an expression of their weakness or pain is actually quite profound and interesting to play with. I wanted to talk about it a little. I’ve been meditating on this line when someone upsets or hurts me, and it’s allowing me to be a more empathetic and emotionally strong person. When someone hurts us somehow, many of us tend to catastrophise and spiral, taking their action as an insult to a deeper part of our being. It’s a form of the prevalent self important attitude Rust refers to in the interrogation room. Someone’s failure pathologically warps in our psyche into more than what it is - it becomes an attack on our identity, or at its extreme, a manifestation of being repudiating us. This sounds dramatic, but it’s observably true. How many people completely break because of the moral or practical failure of another? I know people neurotically haunted years later by a single insult from a family member. I know people who are afraid to engage with life because of a trivial past hurt. I know people who carry so much pain and anxiety around with them because they allowed the simple failure of someone else to fester and grow to be so much more than that. Dr Gabor Maté says when someone fails or hurts us, we project their “intention” in doing so onto them, and we usually project what hurts us the most. The hurt we feel often isn’t representative of reality. Of course, as Rust says, it’s truly not about us. Very few people who hurt you genuinely have it out for you, and even if they do, it’s just an expression of their pain and weakness, and who isn’t carrying so much pain and weakness around with them? How many times has the very real pain you feel caused you to hurt someone close to you? If we could all be strong enough to view the failures of others as expressions of pain, and to forgive them for that, I think we’d be in a better place.
I love that I stumbled upon this comment. Earlier this month I was doing journaling prompts and one of em’ was on the topic of forgiveness. I am not one to forgive, the concept never resonated with me- In terms of trauma. Small things, I can forgive and forget. But the things that burden me..Do so for a reason. As I got through those 40 some odd pages I wrote, I arrived to the same conclusion your comment of your comment. Not only realizing, but truly internalizing this concept has eased my soul. And I found it much more effective if I simultaneously envisioned the most hurtful parts while empathizing with their lowest emotions.
@@petitechiroptera1347 Just a testament to the ripple effect achieved by really good writing. Straight up changing perspectives and provoking dialogue years after the fact
@@VelourSweatsuit the human brain derives dopamine from each follow up hit after the first one you can even spot the chemical rush as the endorphins and adrenaline hit in people not trained to manage it or are not used to it. Humans have a very selfish, dark and violent aspect to their nature that goes back to the lizard brain.
@@dorkanderson4963 yah, the whole point of that conversation is that he didn't want the kids to get hurt in the process, and needed someone mentally stable to covers his back while he's getting shot at.
I think he is an antinatalist while he indeed is against making them he also is against harming them His point is after giving birth , you owe your children the best life you can give So she have to come back home with kids for their own good (but its ok to leave the second time , bcz a dad like that wouldnt do any good to his children anymore )
She's totally in the right, he cheated on her and neglected his family at this point in the story. Russ is trying to rationalize the offenders actions to the victim.
Michael Gray “offender”. “Victim” You love big emotional dramatic language for a little bit of extra martial fuckery don’t you? Rust is correct in what he’s saying about marriage kids and weakness. Maggie is just hurt and emotional and not willing to put herself in someone else position.
@@jimmy2k4o it doesn't sound like you are putting yourself in her position at all. "Extra marital fuckery" is a big deal to some people especially when their partner is lying about it.
Michael Gray But “victim” cmon one thing wrong with society today if everybody see themselves as a victim. And beside how big it is to that person, it’s is just extra martial fuckery.....happens a lot. Toughen up, life sucks get a fucking helmet. “Offender” like he’s fucking Weinstein. He’s just a guy, and guys are horny, guys have a primal instinct to spread it as far and wide as possible. Turning that off is hard, impossible for some. Especially when you’ve got girls as hot as that throwing themselves at you
What really makes this scene is the consistency of the characters and the cinematography. Maggie is justifiably embittered with the concept of marriage/men in general and vents her frustrations on Rust, who from his own perspective is being perfectly earnest, aware Marty is taking his family for granted and Maggie's resulting burdens. Considering Rust's own experience with marriage and a family of his own, it's no small wonder he'd take extreme umbrage at the presumption that Maggie knows anything about Rust's marriage. Frustrated with this pageantry, and not wanting to be involved to begin with, he simply leaves. The last shot shows Maggie reflecting on what she's said while the focus shifts to reveal Rust's literal reflection as he leaves.
I love how rust is clearly hurt by that comment but he never holds it against her. He understands the situation she’s in and knows that she doesn’t mean it.
Oh, I think he does hold it against her. But by making such a cavalier indictment on him as a husband with minimal knowledge on the facts, it’s so over the line that it’s no longer worth it for him to even entertain. When she visits him in 2012, I think it’s fair to say he’s less than pleased to see her. And in addition, I think in that moment , Marty had hurt her so bad that she did mean it. Even before the final straw that made him leave, Maggie implicates Rust as complicit in her assertion of men, repeatedly saying “you all” while looking him directly in the face. Rust ignores this, understanding she is hurt and likely venting. But she keeps pushing until the breaking point.
It goes the other way too. There have been times where I have argued with my girlfriend and without thinking, in momentary anger, I say something that I know I'll regret, and she automatically wins.
It's not his woman, its some bitch who used him as a rebound to get revenge on Marty. Then she brings up his past knowing nothing about it. Walking away is always the best strategy.
@@Thorvald9666 you are a fucking sexist idiot who cannot understand character development, nuance or any sort of writing because WOMENZ R BAD ;(((( immature fuck
I thought it was very interesting, throughout the show you can see how much Maggie longs for something from Rust, A friend, a lover, whatever, and except in a moment of weakness he isn't willing to give her or anyone else any of that.
i especially like how he does not take any of her vindictive and vicious comment at the end. she knew it would hurt him he did not tolerate that shit for one second and you can clearly see how she realizes she fucked up
Love all the "classic female wamen" comments here. This scene is about someone who's projecting their anger onto others, while the other constantly keeps reminding them that it's none of their business. It's no different than "you women are all the same" stuff guys say. The best response in this situation is to walk away, so the other can do some self-reflection of their own instead of taking it out on others.
Master Miller uhhh,she's right though?.The comments are full of testosterone filled circle jerks of guys just generalizing women,how is that any better than a woman generalizing all guys?.If anything her comment deserves more likes.
Really, because If IIRC, there was a pretty accurate scene of her calling a man she barely knew in the middle of the night to just chat, and Rust's response was exactly how men feel "Because we know what we want, and we dont mind being alone."
So you've never said something intentionally just to get under some guys skin just to invoke a reaction? All the while being free from consequences. And clearly you've never used your emotions to get your way, right? No of course not.
1:00. Rust tries to connect in a sincere honest way to solve a problem, but she couldn’t be strong and had to go catty. Rust handles it perfectly right after.
Reminds me of the lawnmower scene where Rust mowed Marty's lawn out of curtousy, only for Marty to get angry. It's like every time Rust tried to open up, the other person just takes that and steps all over it.
Xavi Campoverde well yeah, he’s right though. Yes empathy and feelings are all nice but when you use children; literally underdeveloped clones of yourself that either have the potential to flourish or fail because of your actions, your personal feelings don’t matter anymore. Your kids do. Sons and Daughters raised by single mothers turn out to be fuck ups a lot of the time. Not all the time. But a lot. It also explains why one of her daughters turned into a slut; her dad wasn’t around to show her what it meant to be loved properly during her teenage years. Thankfully his other one turned out better. Idk man, just look at the stats. Most beta males and prostitutes/dis functional women usually have an absentee dad. And it’s sad that people can’t get out of their own way to put the kids needs first.
@@EZ-IZZY1995 her daughter didn't turn out that way because she was praised by a single mother. You can parent the beat you can but sometimes kids just mess up. And Marty was a cheat. It would have been worse for both girls growing up with him around, they would've learnt about his affairs and cheating and saw how he treated his wife with disrespect and they would've taken that with them into relationships which would also have failed. He wasn't a good dad. If he was he would've been a better husband.
His outlook on life (like pretty much everything and everyone else) is subjective. Many will relate/agree with Rust, and many will disagree with his nihilistic/pessimistic philosophy/outlook on life (and his concept of marriage). No "right or wrong answer" here. Just a debate/argument over which concept is better, at best.
Such great acting from everyone in this series! This season of True Detective is one of the best series EVER in my opinion. It's right up there with Sopranos, Deadwood, True Blood etc
In the end Rust was the one that was right. He realized that the only reason for marriage is reproduction and our emotions just complicate things and, in the end, everything will fall over time. Maggie had an accusatory tone when she said that Rust ducks under rationality, but in the back of her head she knew that Rust was right. After all, Rust had the experience and realized the truth.
@@LordVader1094 reducing something as complex as human relationships to "they're together just for reproductive purposes" is the dumbest statement I've heard in a while. You're telling us to ignore the thousands, if not millions of couples who ARE NOT together for reproductive purposes and still live a happy life. On top of that, the only way your statement works is if humans were ruled solely by instinct, which is clearly false
@@sage4670 Have you ever met an asexual couple? Rust is right. Maggie wanted Rust as a type of man, but she doesnt really know what she wants which is why she married a coward and a drunk. Marty didnt. Rust had already been through it all. If you want to lie to yourself about it and pretty it up thats fine, but we are doing what every living thing has been for the past 100K years. And for what?
Maggie's really the reason why Rust and Marty never truly solved the case until 10 years later. Maggie used Rust to get to Marty which ended in Rust quitting and the case ending right there.
You're forgetting that Marty the undisciplined hothead killed the principal witness when he shot Ledoux before the legendary Rust could interrogate him. As contemptuous as I feel about Maggie, I feel an equal contempt for Marty. Only Rust resonates with me in any way, and it is a big way.
Sam Fisher the incompetent police force and pedophile politicians had nothing to do with it? Maggie was victimized by Marty and betrayed she and Rust fucked once don't blame her or you are just as stupid as Marty.
they kept throwing him in the middle of their relationship and despite all this his Marty's kids were still messed up because sense thins tension in the family
Okay, here’s my evaluation of the cluster fck of relationships in this amazing show: Marty is a pretty bad husband, cheating on his wife, taking his family for granted and expecting them to 100% accommodate him without seeing their wants and wishes. Through that, Maggie got very bitter in turn, which is understandable, yet this lead her to be somewhat generalising towards cops and men as crude and imbecile (which I also believe is pretty bad). This is shown here where she first says rust is like “the rest of them” and insults him out of an expectation that he must have been a bad romantic partner merely because of his gender / profession. About rust in turn we don’t know much, except that he lost his daughter which killed his marriage. It is very understandable that a low blow like Maggie’s would hit extremely hard. Even though Rust’s evaluation of “people fuck up” is somewhat lacking since it doesn’t address the cause of maggie’s relationship issues, it is very characteristic of him: he believes that people are programmed to do what they do, and that everyone is guilty deep down. It is smart of him though to attribute Marty’s actions to weakness and pain, because that’s what I believe too. Whether this is a good excuse for Marty is a different question though. In all honesty, I think Marty and Maggie are just not good for each other: Marty is bossy, violent and self centred and Maggie has little regard for his emotions and their validity. I think she is also hyper critical where she could instead communicate in a more productive way. Rust, of course, has no interest in getting involved with all that though.
@K A J Whether ppl wanna hear this or not, cheating doesnt JUST happen... nor is it always the cheaters fault. Just bc a person cheats DOES NOT MEAN their partner wasnt a problem too. Maggie clearly invalidates martys feelings of weakness or inadequacy which makes him turn to others. Now is marty self-centered YES, but there were genuine moments of vulnerability he displayed that maggie simply let the ball drop which reinforces his own insecurities.
Here Rust is trying to the right thing by helping his partner mend his broken marriage and gets tossed one of the lowest insults ever. Rust was Quick to call both Marty & Maggie on there BS, didn’t sugarcoat it just told them what time it was on multiple occasions. This 1st season is the Goat of Television & that’s Coming from a Sicilian from Chicago who is a Sopranos Die hard
1:08 Just for you guys to know. This is good example of what you should do when you have an argue with a woman and out of nowhere she start talking shiet you're sensitive about, just know that that you just've won the fight, just stand up and go, and she'll be pissed!! )
Love how Maggie’s “short change the wrong things” comment is a response to Rust saying he still needs Marty to watch his back. How is trying to make sure your partner isn’t distracted in life and death scenarios the wrong thing? Lol
I read German fairly well, so I’ll give it a crack... although my experience is mostly with historical text and the occasional novel, which compared with reading a philosophical work in another language, is kinda like jumping straight from pre-algebra to calculus.
Maggie's a lot more emotionally aware than Marty, so she must have realized she was projecting on Rust just like her husband does 😅 too proud to take it back though.
The real kicker is that Rust more or less explained to Maggie why he had gotten a divorce. The death of his child had been a bomb that destroyed it. So her comment hit multiple nerves, the implication/condemnation of him as a husband and even as a father. He clearly loved his former wife to have gotten married then had a child with, only to lose both from as result of a terrible accident was cruel beyond reasoning.
She's hurting, so she lashed out in the bitterness of her situation.... To be fair. Even if what he said was true... Expecting a heartbroken wife to just accept it with the same level of stoicism it took rust himself years to cultivate is unfair. Frankly, while her actions were low, they were also very understandable.... I personally don't blame her. And to her benefit, u can see that she at the very least had the presence of mind to regret that last jab at rust. And while it probably stung... I don't believe rust held it against her
Was the "Malboro man" the inspiration for Rust's character? Every ciggy is drawn deep and slow-huge drags not little puffs....looks soooooo satisfying......excuse me....just gotta light up.
Maybe he thinks that way because his daughter died and his marriage died soon after? Like the daughter hold it together in the First place? Just quoting philosophy and using philosophic terms and concepts while complaining does not make him the role model for some Red pill MGTOW bullshit. He is more than that. And this is pretty clear when they show the all day montage ten years later. Rust was often right a about Marty. But Marty was right about Rust more than once too. He is broken, bleed out without being dead until they finally bring down the Yellow King.
It's ironic maggie telling rust that he is short changing the wrong thing just because rust is more interested in catching a murderer than in getting involved with other people's drama
1:27 that is the face of a woman who knows she said something unforgivable to the one person whom she considers closest to a friend she has in this awful situation, and realized her actions have doomed her to dealing with this mess alone. The worst part is, she knows rust is just being rust and telling it how it is, and that it was unfair of her to involve him in this personal drama knowing the friction between these two men already.
that is the face of an actress with a script written by men for men...women are overly kind even when it's obvious that they are unveiling the truth, will look doubtful because they want to behave right and soemtimes because of these moments of self check, men who are masters gas lighters will make them feel wrong
for all we know rust was a good husband and maggie telling him that ironically hit him on a certain level. losing his daughter caused him to become the way he was. he probably wouldn't cheat but being so miserable (and his wife was probably devastated as well) there's no surprise his marriage fell apart
@@7Mugi or rust wouldn't give a fuck about politics...he'd probably rationalize how racism, sexism and religious superiority is just biologically hardwired into our brains due to us becoming too self ware and then obsessing over this meaningless bullshit until we started killing and raping each other over it. So every white, black, Indian, Asian, mixed race or whatever person is born with that inkling to kill one another over superflous bullshit.
Iove this scene. After all the nihilistic philosophy, all the clever atheistic rationalisations at the end of the day rust is just a man in pain and very very brittle. "You must have been a great husband" Immediately leaves.
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I liked how Rust told both Maggie and Marty that it is none of his business what is going on with their relationship, he told them both multiple times, i really have a great respect for this man.
"None of my business" is a great phrase. Four words that epitomize freedom!
He's a fictional character.
And even after telling them that he didn't want to get involved in their drama, they suck him into it any way.
Unhappy couples are never good news, always best to steer way clear.
@@paulfrantizek102
Well, his aim was to straighten up the guy that's supposed to cover his flank while he's in a shootout with a serial killer.
Suffering some whining and drama is a small cost for not being dead.
@@NikolaAvramov Oh I agree in this specific situation Rust had no choice. I was speaking more as a general policy. Unhappy couples always make you pay.
Notice how Rust just doesnt straight leave. He waits a moment to check her reaction to see if she is willing to take back what she just said. When she don't, he finally walks. Great acting
I always thought it was more of a 'you did not just say that' reaction, but this is an interesting way to look at it
@@ChristosAnesti33 it was, overthinking it comes to the original comment. He never “looked back” he just got mad that she said that and walked out.
Yeah I think if Rust is as badass as people think he is, that would be the best way of interpreting him taking a second to leave
If I understand his character right then I think he actually didn't care of the stupid thing Maggie said and tried to show how stupid she sounded when she said it by looking at her the way he did .. and just walked away because it's a waste of time trying to convince an ignorant.. ( I'm not saying that I agree with what he did nor saying that I don't .. my opinion about the matter is irrelevant )
@@3rdcoastobs467 i think the original comment was right. A mature adult understands that sometimes people say things impulsively, and one who is firm in their fortitude knows they must be patient with those who act this way. But Maggie didn’t apologize, so he moves on.
I love the way Rust just fucks off at the end.
if the vast majority of men was like this, the world would be entirely different.
@@DLaVey indeed
Never be super polite to your friends gfs and wives
Rust is the best character ever
after mister Bin
agreed 100%
i relate to him alot.
@@jeremiahkirkman100 I wouldn't imagine him saying that he relates to someone else tho.. No you don't
He’s my favorite character in the entire series.
The writing in this show is so sublime it’s painful. Incredible.
It's not as "sublime" as you think it is .
@@sidharthwarrier9001 why
@@fhowland Rust Cohle's rant on pessimism and godlessness and the collective "stupidity" of the masses is so over the top and lacking of any self-awareness that I genuinely feel it was written by a 17 year old kid who just recently discovered atheism or stoicism. The car scene where he says "I am what you call in philosophical terms, a pessimist" and the whole dialogue that pans out afterwards was , in my opinion , very poorly written. It honestly isn't as profound as what the writers thought it was .
I've spoken enough now , do let me know what are your thoughts :)
Meanwhile in Season 2, the writing was just painful.
@Sidharth Warrier
I’m pretty sure that’s the point, that he was an edgy man who didn’t believe in anything after all the shit he’d seen and been through, and he faced those extreme traumas with extreme viewpoints, it was his way of coping with the fucked up world he found himself in. A lot of people in real life are like this, A LOT.
00:52 After the amount of divorces and breakups I've witnessed in my life I have to agree with that. Cohles pessimistic views made him the most relatable and realistic character I've ever come across in a show.
Sounds like an incel lying. It def does and can work.
This is my favourite scene. The delivery, facial expressions, body language, tone, etc are sublime. The shot of Maggie through the glass at the end is perfection. She instantly realized that final comment was a mistake.
the writers made her do it...
@@fenecofeneco19 lol simp much?
@@fenecofeneco19 why are here commenting go read a dictionary if you have issues understanding fiction and how to interact with it.
@@fenecofeneco19Wdym?
Rust been honest with her since day fucking 1 and she still has no idea how to handle it.
Some woman never know how to handle that...
Many humans get confused by the whole honesty "thing." If they didn't we wouldn't have Tinder.
Omg that camera work. Showing her regret then the reflection in the window of him getting in his truck. Amazing.
Mind blown. Where is the camera???
@@guoyilou2064possibly double exposure
Maggie said something that hurt Rust to his core and immediately regrets it. She knew the words and said them, and wish she could take them back. Very good acting
this is textbook example of what you do when a woman's acting out. you don't yell, you don't act aggressive. you straight up leave because she's lost her privileges with you
So True
YAAAASSSSD
@Xavi Campoverde
He wasn't hurt.
He was insulted.
There's a difference.
@Xavi Campoverde
How is he hurt?
What was the damage done to him?
@Xavi Campoverde
Not the general use but what you meant by it.
Because I don't see him hurt emotionally one bit.
Not at all.
For starters - he didn't love this woman in any way.
Rust's character is a man that lives by his convictions-convictions gleaned on the true base nature of humans. Few people live like this....that is why we like him so much.
Because we all think like this but VERY VERY few of us have the patients to actually live it
That’s also why a lot of people in the series don’t like him.
No, he is a tragic character. A troubled soul. Life seems meaningless to him because he denies the one thing that gives life meaning. Namely consciousness.
he was also a deeply traumatised man suffering from chronic depression...its not good to be like that dude.
@@Garium87 And his daughter
The type of husband you wish your own woulda been, Maggie.
Absolutely nailed it.
Touché.
Touché 2
Touché 3
You killed Maggie amigo.
As soon as he said "it's not about you," he hit her solipsistic kryptonite
Mhm, yea, I agree
Shit, I missed this phrase. So, did she took a small revenge on him as well when she repeated this phrase after they fucked?? Like she fucked him to take revenge on husband but at the same time she wanted to hurt Rust too?
(although it doesn't make much sense for her to be that angry for Rust).
Maggie was just as big of a piece of shit as Marty. Having a gash between your legs doesn’t automatically make you a victim in every situation.
@@kaj7135 no she wasn’t. She cheated once and that was only to flee a toxic relationship. Marty cheated many times
@AlphonseSwedgen Yep. Exactly as you say. She is not an innocent sheep in any way.
The reflection shot is so cool.
It’s a bit of a throwaway line in this scene, but to imagine the shortcomings of others as an expression of their weakness or pain is actually quite profound and interesting to play with. I wanted to talk about it a little.
I’ve been meditating on this line when someone upsets or hurts me, and it’s allowing me to be a more empathetic and emotionally strong person.
When someone hurts us somehow, many of us tend to catastrophise and spiral, taking their action as an insult to a deeper part of our being. It’s a form of the prevalent self important attitude Rust refers to in the interrogation room. Someone’s failure pathologically warps in our psyche into more than what it is - it becomes an attack on our identity, or at its extreme, a manifestation of being repudiating us.
This sounds dramatic, but it’s observably true. How many people completely break because of the moral or practical failure of another? I know people neurotically haunted years later by a single insult from a family member. I know people who are afraid to engage with life because of a trivial past hurt. I know people who carry so much pain and anxiety around with them because they allowed the simple failure of someone else to fester and grow to be so much more than that.
Dr Gabor Maté says when someone fails or hurts us, we project their “intention” in doing so onto them, and we usually project what hurts us the most. The hurt we feel often isn’t representative of reality.
Of course, as Rust says, it’s truly not about us. Very few people who hurt you genuinely have it out for you, and even if they do, it’s just an expression of their pain and weakness, and who isn’t carrying so much pain and weakness around with them? How many times has the very real pain you feel caused you to hurt someone close to you? If we could all be strong enough to view the failures of others as expressions of pain, and to forgive them for that, I think we’d be in a better place.
I love that I stumbled upon this comment. Earlier this month I was doing journaling prompts and one of em’ was on the topic of forgiveness. I am not one to forgive, the concept never resonated with me- In terms of trauma. Small things, I can forgive and forget. But the things that burden me..Do so for a reason. As I got through those 40 some odd pages I wrote, I arrived to the same conclusion your comment of your comment. Not only realizing, but truly internalizing this concept has eased my soul. And I found it much more effective if I simultaneously envisioned the most hurtful parts while empathizing with their lowest emotions.
@@petitechiroptera1347 Just a testament to the ripple effect achieved by really good writing. Straight up changing perspectives and provoking dialogue years after the fact
@@VelourSweatsuit the human brain derives dopamine from each follow up hit after the first one you can even spot the chemical rush as the endorphins and adrenaline hit in people not trained to manage it or are not used to it.
Humans have a very selfish,
dark and violent aspect to their nature that goes back to the lizard brain.
What makes this scene so interesting is you can tell that Rust doesn't want to be there anymore than Maggie does.
Rust is the type of character that justifies everything we do in general with pure logic and reason
Rust hides behind a vainer of logic and reason but underneath is more passionate and sincere than any of the other characters.
@@dorkanderson4963 yah, the whole point of that conversation is that he didn't want the kids to get hurt in the process, and needed someone mentally stable to covers his back while he's getting shot at.
I think he is an antinatalist
while he indeed is against making them
he also is against harming them
His point is after giving birth , you owe your children the best life you can give
So she have to come back home with kids for their own good
(but its ok to leave the second time , bcz a dad like that wouldnt do any good to his children anymore )
Walk away when the drama gets deep - deny them their fuel at the same time.
nah he just got hit by the truth
@@fenecofeneco19 lol imagine being stupid enough to think that Maggie wasn’t as big of a piece of shit as Marty. xD
and that is?@@fenecofeneco19
"So you duck under rationalization, same as any of them." While Maggie ducks under being irrational, same as any of them.
She's totally in the right, he cheated on her and neglected his family at this point in the story. Russ is trying to rationalize the offenders actions to the victim.
rust doesnt give a shit; hes just trying to have marty in a good state before rust himself goes undercover
Michael Gray “offender”. “Victim”
You love big emotional dramatic language for a little bit of extra martial fuckery don’t you?
Rust is correct in what he’s saying about marriage kids and weakness.
Maggie is just hurt and emotional and not willing to put herself in someone else position.
@@jimmy2k4o it doesn't sound like you are putting yourself in her position at all. "Extra marital fuckery" is a big deal to some people especially when their partner is lying about it.
Michael Gray But “victim” cmon one thing wrong with society today if everybody see themselves as a victim.
And beside how big it is to that person, it’s is just extra martial fuckery.....happens a lot. Toughen up, life sucks get a fucking helmet.
“Offender” like he’s fucking Weinstein.
He’s just a guy, and guys are horny, guys have a primal instinct to spread it as far and wide as possible.
Turning that off is hard, impossible for some. Especially when you’ve got girls as hot as that throwing themselves at you
This is by far his best performance as an actor.
I can't get over how handsome he is
What really makes this scene is the consistency of the characters and the cinematography. Maggie is justifiably embittered with the concept of marriage/men in general and vents her frustrations on Rust, who from his own perspective is being perfectly earnest, aware Marty is taking his family for granted and Maggie's resulting burdens. Considering Rust's own experience with marriage and a family of his own, it's no small wonder he'd take extreme umbrage at the presumption that Maggie knows anything about Rust's marriage. Frustrated with this pageantry, and not wanting to be involved to begin with, he simply leaves. The last shot shows Maggie reflecting on what she's said while the focus shifts to reveal Rust's literal reflection as he leaves.
Yes, screenplay and cinematography are top notch.
A lust actors. Both of them.
Most underrated comment I think I’ve stumbled across. Touché
Great analysis, thank you
I read this in David Attenborough's voice..
Well said!
Rust is “dead inside”. For real. And by the end he is resurrecting.
This is maybe the best way anyone has summed up his character.
I like the little detail, that he always breaths the cigarette's smoke in and never out.
I love how rust is clearly hurt by that comment but he never holds it against her. He understands the situation she’s in and knows that she doesn’t mean it.
Oh, I think he does hold it against her. But by making such a cavalier indictment on him as a husband with minimal knowledge on the facts, it’s so over the line that it’s no longer worth it for him to even entertain. When she visits him in 2012, I think it’s fair to say he’s less than pleased to see her.
And in addition, I think in that moment , Marty had hurt her so bad that she did mean it. Even before the final straw that made him leave, Maggie implicates Rust as complicit in her assertion of men, repeatedly saying “you all” while looking him directly in the face. Rust ignores this, understanding she is hurt and likely venting. But she keeps pushing until the breaking point.
The moment a woman says something nasty and personal during an arguement - you won.
Bill burr?
@83rdox The purpose of conversation is not winning. It is the resolving of a problem. It should not be a fight, it suppose to be cooperation.
@83rdox *Pyrrhic victory
A victory in which so much harm was caused to the victor, it may as well been a loss. Great way of looking at it
It goes the other way too. There have been times where I have argued with my girlfriend and without thinking, in momentary anger, I say something that I know I'll regret, and she automatically wins.
Sometimes winning isn't about winning.
and to think they would share 30 seconds of beautiful love making
Joshua Schaeffer *fucking
Three-Thrust-Rust!
LOL
spat my fucking drink out
Three-Thrust-Rust
Joshua Schaeffer and it was the best she had in years!
below the belt shot. you know you about got slapped when the other party just walks out
Julie Be truuue he's just like 'oh so that's the route she's gonna take, I don't have time for that stress'
When a woman throwz a fit NEVER react. Do exactly this. Sit and just be. Do not act out. Maintain composure.
It’s so hard to maintain composure though
It's not his woman, its some bitch who used him as a rebound to get revenge on Marty. Then she brings up his past knowing nothing about it. Walking away is always the best strategy.
@@Thorvald9666 you are a fucking sexist idiot who cannot understand character development, nuance or any sort of writing because WOMENZ R BAD ;(((( immature fuck
How is she throwing a fit again?
@@markusk1015 Then you're a violent piece of shit. Congrats.
I thought it was very interesting, throughout the show you can see how much Maggie longs for something from Rust, A friend, a lover, whatever, and except in a moment of weakness he isn't willing to give her or anyone else any of that.
after all these years: still fuckin' gold.
i especially like how he does not take any of her vindictive and vicious comment at the end.
she knew it would hurt him
he did not tolerate that shit for one second and you can clearly see how she realizes she fucked up
1:16
Me when some one tells me matthew macconaughey is not a good actor
Yeah, walking out of a coffee shop. Really hard to pull off, should have got an oscar.
Fabulous script, heavyweight performers and I never heard of this.True Detective was a magazine many years ago, so these fragments caught my interest
1:22 the slow realization of avoided slap to the face
She was disappointed she did not get an argument or a throat grab as she was used to getting from her husband.
Totally.
@@inquisitor4635 Or maybe the fact that she didn’t made the insult even worse.
Or the realization of "Oh shit I kinda crossed the line"
Maggie disliked the video
WTF @MAGGIE THINK $/HE IZ?!?... #fuckMAGGIE #gotFUCKEDmanyTIMESmanyWAYS #merryCHRISTMAS
Every time he lights a cig he draws deep.
Fuck it. This is what I'm watching (again) this weekend. Nothing beats TD Season 1.
Love all the "classic female wamen" comments here. This scene is about someone who's projecting their anger onto others, while the other constantly keeps reminding them that it's none of their business. It's no different than "you women are all the same" stuff guys say. The best response in this situation is to walk away, so the other can do some self-reflection of their own instead of taking it out on others.
Classic woman response
Master Miller uhhh,she's right though?.The comments are full of testosterone filled circle jerks of guys just generalizing women,how is that any better than a woman generalizing all guys?.If anything her comment deserves more likes.
Really, because If IIRC, there was a pretty accurate scene of her calling a man she barely knew in the middle of the night to just chat, and Rust's response was exactly how men feel "Because we know what we want, and we dont mind being alone."
So you've never said something intentionally just to get under some guys skin just to invoke a reaction? All the while being free from consequences. And clearly you've never used your emotions to get your way, right? No of course not.
@@EhCanadianGamer men use their "emotions" just like women
Like a boss!
And he left her with the bill. My man.
00:35 the truth, and nothing but the truth.
1:00. Rust tries to connect in a sincere honest way to solve a problem, but she couldn’t be strong and had to go catty. Rust handles it perfectly right after.
Reminds me of the lawnmower scene where Rust mowed Marty's lawn out of curtousy, only for Marty to get angry. It's like every time Rust tried to open up, the other person just takes that and steps all over it.
Lol he's spot on about relationships/marriage
Xavi Campoverde well yeah, he’s right though. Yes empathy and feelings are all nice but when you use children; literally underdeveloped clones of yourself that either have the potential to flourish or fail because of your actions, your personal feelings don’t matter anymore. Your kids do. Sons and Daughters raised by single mothers turn out to be fuck ups a lot of the time. Not all the time. But a lot. It also explains why one of her daughters turned into a slut; her dad wasn’t around to show her what it meant to be loved properly during her teenage years. Thankfully his other one turned out better. Idk man, just look at the stats. Most beta males and prostitutes/dis functional women usually have an absentee dad. And it’s sad that people can’t get out of their own way to put the kids needs first.
@@EZ-IZZY1995 her daughter didn't turn out that way because she was praised by a single mother. You can parent the beat you can but sometimes kids just mess up. And Marty was a cheat. It would have been worse for both girls growing up with him around, they would've learnt about his affairs and cheating and saw how he treated his wife with disrespect and they would've taken that with them into relationships which would also have failed. He wasn't a good dad. If he was he would've been a better husband.
Aisha Arshad Alam they both were really shitty parents honestly.
His outlook on life (like pretty much everything and everyone else) is subjective. Many will relate/agree with Rust, and many will disagree with his nihilistic/pessimistic philosophy/outlook on life (and his concept of marriage). No "right or wrong answer" here. Just a debate/argument over which concept is better, at best.
@@algo2957 yeah he is right people cheat men and women it's not supposed to work
Such great acting from everyone in this series! This season of True Detective is one of the best series EVER in my opinion. It's right up there with Sopranos, Deadwood, True Blood etc
In the end Rust was the one that was right. He realized that the only reason for marriage is reproduction and our emotions just complicate things and, in the end, everything will fall over time. Maggie had an accusatory tone when she said that Rust ducks under rationality, but in the back of her head she knew that Rust was right. After all, Rust had the experience and realized the truth.
I can tell you're not getting laid any time soon
@@Kevin-hj4ql That's a dumb response.
@@Kevin-hj4ql Neither are you, buddy. The difference between you and OP is that OP is right.
@@LordVader1094 reducing something as complex as human relationships to "they're together just for reproductive purposes" is the dumbest statement I've heard in a while. You're telling us to ignore the thousands, if not millions of couples who ARE NOT together for reproductive purposes and still live a happy life. On top of that, the only way your statement works is if humans were ruled solely by instinct, which is clearly false
@@sage4670 Have you ever met an asexual couple? Rust is right. Maggie wanted Rust as a type of man, but she doesnt really know what she wants which is why she married a coward and a drunk. Marty didnt. Rust had already been through it all. If you want to lie to yourself about it and pretty it up thats fine, but we are doing what every living thing has been for the past 100K years. And for what?
Maggie's really the reason why Rust and Marty never truly solved the case until 10 years later. Maggie used Rust to get to Marty which ended in Rust quitting and the case ending right there.
Sam Fisher But she could only do that because Marty cheated on her.
She is the Yellow King.
You're forgetting that Marty the undisciplined hothead killed the principal witness when he shot Ledoux before the legendary Rust could interrogate him. As contemptuous as I feel about Maggie, I feel an equal contempt for Marty. Only Rust resonates with me in any way, and it is a big way.
Sam Fisher the incompetent police force and pedophile politicians had nothing to do with it? Maggie was victimized by Marty and betrayed she and Rust fucked once don't blame her or you are just as stupid as Marty.
Torgo1969 lol idont think rust woulda got anything out of him, ledoux was def deeply insane, his mind corroded by drugs and cult bs,
Matthew McConaughey and Michelle Monaghan
Lordy that's some alliteration right there
You know you’re stupid when Rust leaves the chat literally after you bomb him with an insult
Miss you rust😢
Love how Rust didn't say a word after that insult and just left the chat
they kept throwing him in the middle of their relationship and despite all this his Marty's kids were still messed up because sense thins tension in the family
Okay, here’s my evaluation of the cluster fck of relationships in this amazing show: Marty is a pretty bad husband, cheating on his wife, taking his family for granted and expecting them to 100% accommodate him without seeing their wants and wishes. Through that, Maggie got very bitter in turn, which is understandable, yet this lead her to be somewhat generalising towards cops and men as crude and imbecile (which I also believe is pretty bad). This is shown here where she first says rust is like “the rest of them” and insults him out of an expectation that he must have been a bad romantic partner merely because of his gender / profession. About rust in turn we don’t know much, except that he lost his daughter which killed his marriage. It is very understandable that a low blow like Maggie’s would hit extremely hard. Even though Rust’s evaluation of “people fuck up” is somewhat lacking since it doesn’t address the cause of maggie’s relationship issues, it is very characteristic of him: he believes that people are programmed to do what they do, and that everyone is guilty deep down. It is smart of him though to attribute Marty’s actions to weakness and pain, because that’s what I believe too. Whether this is a good excuse for Marty is a different question though. In all honesty, I think Marty and Maggie are just not good for each other: Marty is bossy, violent and self centred and Maggie has little regard for his emotions and their validity. I think she is also hyper critical where she could instead communicate in a more productive way. Rust, of course, has no interest in getting involved with all that though.
It’s nice to see someone else who actually uses their brain and knows that Maggie is not a victim in this situation.
Well thought out
Maggie went horny n wanted revenge. Marty was trapped! I stand by Marty!
I agree w everything you said
@K A J Whether ppl wanna hear this or not, cheating doesnt JUST happen... nor is it always the cheaters fault. Just bc a person cheats DOES NOT MEAN their partner wasnt a problem too. Maggie clearly invalidates martys feelings of weakness or inadequacy which makes him turn to others.
Now is marty self-centered YES, but there were genuine moments of vulnerability he displayed that maggie simply let the ball drop which reinforces his own insecurities.
Rust understands why Marty was stepping out after this little chat with Maggie.
Lmfao right!
Marty's wife and his girlfriend were smoke shows
Here Rust is trying to the right thing by helping his partner mend his broken marriage and gets tossed one of the lowest insults ever. Rust was Quick to call both Marty & Maggie on there BS, didn’t sugarcoat it just told them what time it was on multiple occasions.
This 1st season is the Goat of Television & that’s Coming from a Sicilian from Chicago who is a Sopranos Die hard
South side!
@@tapset Sox all day baby, i live im Milwaukee know but same salute brother.
"Even your mother thinks you are a ball-breaker"
i think maybe matthew macconaughey should whistle when he talks more
Rust just doest give a flying f about drama. He spits facts.
1:08 Just for you guys to know. This is good example of what you should do when you have an argue with a woman and out of nowhere she start talking shiet you're sensitive about, just know that that you just've won the fight, just stand up and go, and she'll be pissed!! )
Love this scene. Just wondering why you have 'Embedding disabled by request'? Any chance you could lift this restriction?
Love how Maggie’s “short change the wrong things” comment is a response to Rust saying he still needs Marty to watch his back. How is trying to make sure your partner isn’t distracted in life and death scenarios the wrong thing? Lol
Lol life and death definitely trumps marriage
I'll leave. I'm classing the place up.
Is that Arthur Schoepenhuer?
Lukanyo Morris Schopenhauer is a joyous fellow compared to Rust Cohle
are there any other works you recommend for me to read. im very interested
I read German fairly well, so I’ll give it a crack... although my experience is mostly with historical text and the occasional novel, which compared with reading a philosophical work in another language, is kinda like jumping straight from pre-algebra to calculus.
Schopenhauer wrote an essay 'On Women' which was a masterwork of political incorrectness and a seminal work in Black Pilledness.
@@paulfrantizek102 Reading Schopenhauer to learn about women makes as much sense as reading someone born deaf writing about sounds
Maggie's a lot more emotionally aware than Marty, so she must have realized she was projecting on Rust just like her husband does 😅 too proud to take it back though.
The real kicker is that Rust more or less explained to Maggie why he had gotten a divorce. The death of his child had been a bomb that destroyed it. So her comment hit multiple nerves, the implication/condemnation of him as a husband and even as a father. He clearly loved his former wife to have gotten married then had a child with, only to lose both from as result of a terrible accident was cruel beyond reasoning.
i love how he slowly waddles out
This made me laugh more than it should have
Great acting both of them.
I aspire to be like Rust!
She's hurting, so she lashed out in the bitterness of her situation.... To be fair. Even if what he said was true... Expecting a heartbroken wife to just accept it with the same level of stoicism it took rust himself years to cultivate is unfair.
Frankly, while her actions were low, they were also very understandable.... I personally don't blame her. And to her benefit, u can see that she at the very least had the presence of mind to regret that last jab at rust.
And while it probably stung... I don't believe rust held it against her
Was the "Malboro man" the inspiration for Rust's character? Every ciggy is drawn deep and slow-huge drags not little puffs....looks soooooo satisfying......excuse me....just gotta light up.
surfinmuso - The weird thing is that he smokes Camels.
I miss Rust.
I really like Ray volcory a lot but rust and Marty have some moments that are really interesting
Damn being able to walk away from a woman that fine. Good on you, Rust.
Maybe he thinks that way because his daughter died and his marriage died soon after? Like the daughter hold it together in the First place? Just quoting philosophy and using philosophic terms and concepts while complaining does not make him the role model for some Red pill MGTOW bullshit. He is more than that. And this is pretty clear when they show the all day montage ten years later. Rust was often right a about Marty. But Marty was right about Rust more than once too. He is broken, bleed out without being dead until they finally bring down the Yellow King.
Nailed it!
That's what Maggie means when she tells Rust "At the end of the day, you hide behind rationality like the rest of em"
Rust got a strong whiff of high tide at the end, and left her quick..
But he’s right, Maggie. He’s absolutely right.
And to think. The guy who directed this episode went on to direct No Time To Die. Which may be the best Bond film yet.
If definitely isn’t. It was shit
It's ironic maggie telling rust that he is short changing the wrong thing just because rust is more interested in catching a murderer than in getting involved with other people's drama
1:27 that is the face of a woman who knows she said something unforgivable to the one person whom she considers closest to a friend she has in this awful situation, and realized her actions have doomed her to dealing with this mess alone. The worst part is, she knows rust is just being rust and telling it how it is, and that it was unfair of her to involve him in this personal drama knowing the friction between these two men already.
that is the face of an actress with a script written by men for men...women are overly kind even when it's obvious that they are unveiling the truth, will look doubtful because they want to behave right and soemtimes because of these moments of self check, men who are masters gas lighters will make them feel wrong
The woman starts insulting the man. The man thinks "fuck this" and gets in his truck and leaves.
"If the love is not sarve leave the table
Great camerawork
for all we know rust was a good husband and maggie telling him that ironically hit him on a certain level. losing his daughter caused him to become the way he was. he probably wouldn't cheat but being so miserable (and his wife was probably devastated as well) there's no surprise his marriage fell apart
This scene is just about the doughnuts for me.
She so prefers him to Marty that is why he shouldn't go in on Martys behalf he just makes Marty look look worse in comparison lol
GOAT
And then she gets back with Marty anyway
Rust is a red pill man
rust would be the first one to think trump is a joke
sgt pep actually rust is the type of man to hate Hillary
@@7Mugi or rust wouldn't give a fuck about politics...he'd probably rationalize how racism, sexism and religious superiority is just biologically hardwired into our brains due to us becoming too self ware and then obsessing over this meaningless bullshit until we started killing and raping each other over it. So every white, black, Indian, Asian, mixed race or whatever person is born with that inkling to kill one another over superflous bullshit.
projecting much l0000ser?
Did you see that? That´s how you win an argument against a woman, you just walk out.
Marty should have pulled a Rust and walked away the first time Maggie gave him attitude, which apparently is the main reason why Marty avoids her.
Torgo1969 “even your mother thinks you’re a ball buster.”
Typical woman. Resorts to shaming tactics when she couldn't admit he was right.
found the guy who suffers at the hands of abusive women.
Fernando Ruiz You like to make fun of men who have abusive partners?
John L If a man has an abusive partner he's not a man
Aldrich Leblanc Does your wife give you a good spanking when you’ve been bad?
John L you actually don't really care about that sort of thing though, stop pretending like you do.
What shirt is Rust wearing
Checkered
Chandra Bhan brand?
Iove this scene. After all the nihilistic philosophy, all the clever atheistic rationalisations at the end of the day rust is just a man in pain and very very brittle. "You must have been a great husband"
Immediately leaves.
Where’s that other scene between these two
0:19 LOL
Its sad, but hes right, its routine that kills relationships. its not about anyone specific, its just natural. at least from a mens perspective.
Relationships aren't meant to form in the beginning, they arent meant to last either MAKE NO MI$$TAKE: MEN WOMEN ARE ***POLAR OPPOSITES*** LOVE COMES TO+GET-HER: "WHEN T(23)W(23)O COMPLETE OPPOSITES WORSHIP EACH OTHER ON COMMON GROUND (*but +ha+ being sa((i))d any REALIST/TRUTHER motherfucking K(11))NWO((777))$$ +hi$ world & every-thing in((23)) I+ incl. Love/Evol I$ @ELECTRO-CHEMIC/K-ALIEN L-I-E which if fool/ed & manipulated properly I+ CAN TRICK & *see $PLIT UR FOOLISH @$$ don=key BRAIN/CPU in=23+t(23)w(23)o BELIEVING IN((23)) I+$-NO+REAL-RE((18/23))G((U))ARD-L.E.(($.$.)) LOVE I$ @LIE @RE((18/23))IN((23))FORCED ELECKTROCHEMICKAL L-I-E **period) rust was trying to help @friend(enemy) save his wife(life) when he seen the snake in her (*cause) he got up IMMEDIATELY (*effect) ActionReaction Have @Nice Day :) (*like+hi$) regardless...
he's not right.he smokes his nicotine pacifiers to look cool and tell some canned cynical pseudo philosophical bullshits here and there
rust told the truth. as a species we are not hard wired tobe monogamous.
I love Rust but I’m not going to defend him here. He was putting his own interests first. He got upset and left because Maggie called him on it.
Bringing down a serial killer takes precedent over relationship drama
Watch and Learn fellas